[00:00] Writing user file... [00:00] Writing channel file... [00:00] _sho_: athlons don't have to be hot OR noisy [00:00] _sho_: get a quality heatsink and a quiet fan, and you're done [00:00] sho: you can try this then http://www.silentmaxx.de/heatlanezen.php [00:00] philc1 (~reformist@c-24-19-239-155.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:00] but you better dont move your pc around while you have this on [00:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [00:01] with the ee tho, you really should go with water cooling... and if you feel like overclocking at all, refridgerated water cooling [00:01] <_sho_> ddr ram is friggin expensive [00:01] _sho_: yes, and your point is? [00:01] <_sho_> its expensive [00:01] yay [00:01] take a look at sdr 133... it's getting worse [00:01] florida's at 71% [00:02] <_sho_> i bought 10 gigs worth of 512 sticks at 35$ a pop [00:02] <_sho_> im set for sdram :) [00:02] <_sho_> pny ecc no less [00:02] at least ddr is falling whereas sdr is rising [00:03] _sho_: i don't buy in bulk unless i intend on using it all... [00:03] Jeronimus: those heatpipes aren't especially effecitve [00:03] <_sho_> what ram goes with a 266 fsb [00:03] <_sho_> ddr wise [00:03] the slk-947u is about the best air heatsink you can get, including heatpipe ones [00:03] _sho_: DDR 266 or DDR 133 [00:03] heh [00:03] <_sho_> all i see listed tho is pc2100, pc3200 [00:03] there's a new slk that has both fins and a heatpipe integrated into it, but it's really not much better [00:03] <_sho_> etc etc [00:03] _sho_: pc2100 [00:04] spike__ (~spike@host114-233.pool82190.interbusiness.it) joined #linuxhelp. [00:04] 200 fsb is 1600 [00:04] 333 is 2700 [00:04] 400 is 3200.. and so on. [00:04] amrit: new math? [00:04] karynn: heheh [00:04] <_sho_> risky to go with generic ddr ram? [00:04] yes, very [00:04] Nick change: spike__ -> spike [00:04] generic ram is just asking for trouble. so is kingston, unless maybe you go with their overpriced top of the line stuff. [00:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:05] for ddr, you really shouldn't go any less than micron/crucial [00:05] not really... just not worth it, take a look at the cl [00:05] amrit: kingston makes decently good ram for cisco products [00:05] 'morning [00:05] <_sho_> $125 for mitsubishi non-ecc 1gig pc2100 worth it? [00:05] i'm going to bed [00:05] night karynn [00:05] karynn: and bad ram for consumers :) [00:05] Action: spike meows goodnight [00:05] _sho_: I can't play d3 :( [00:05] _sho_: sorry, dunno about mitsu [00:05] hey spike [00:05] 'lo _sho_ [00:05] <_sho_> sup spike [00:05] karynn: goodnight... i hope i'll be getting there myself soon... [00:06] But I've been to a friend where I could see it in action. [00:06] <_sho_> amrit: whats reasonable brand of ddr ram [00:06] In UBERQUALITY [00:06] Well it wasn't ultra, but very high. [00:06] It looks like... damn, it's awesome. [00:06] morning spike. [00:06] rue_mohr (~dan@sec1d35.dial.uniserve.ca) left irc: "[x]chat" [00:06] pny is usu a good name [00:07] (morning _sho_, morning amrit, morning rest :D) [00:07] _sho_: micron/crucial (same brand) [00:07] <_sho_> sup sup daniel [00:07] <_sho_> cool [00:07] stupid question: 3D is not related to hw accelleration, right? I mean, I really don't need 3D, just good res (>1152) and ability to play dvds/divx [00:07] Trisk[awaay] (~aroha_e@kohatu.meat-pie.ono.quasarnet.org) joined #linuxhelp. [00:07] _sho_: solid, great quality stuff without being overpriced [00:07] <_sho_> micron, 130 for 1 gig nonecc ddr2100 [00:07] <_sho_> https://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=BASK&Store_Code=M [00:07] <_sho_> crap, that didnt work :) [00:07] 'lo Trisk[awaay] [00:07] spike: Well, you'd need hw accell for good (!) dvd/divx quality. [00:07] _sho_: sounds good [00:08] It'll work sloppy without, though. [00:08] <_sho_> is this reasonable: [00:08] pny is cheaper, but it's decent, micron and crucial are uber high priced, but def worth it if you have the money [00:08] ndowens (1000@dial-12-27-205-77.farmerstel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [00:08] I recieved my Network card today, it is a dlink card, and i think it is bad, when i start my comp it must reconize it b/c it says updating escd or whatever and then it won't load the os, it freezes my whole comp up, tried another pci slot same thing, w/o the card boots up fine [00:08] micron is *not* uber high priced, especially when you consider that cheaper stuff tends to be unstable [00:08] i could show you uber high priced ram.. but you wouldn't wanna pay $200+ for 256mb :) [00:08] <_sho_> 414$ for two .13 micron 2200+ ahtlon mps, tyan s2466 ddr266 board, two CoolJag JVC558A fans? [00:09] ok... show me it anyways? why would it be priced so high? [00:09] <_sho_> ndowens : sounds like you are booting off the nic [00:09] _sho_: Sounds fine to me. [00:09] hi [00:09] _sho_: never heard of "cooljag". what heatsinks are you using? [00:09] <_sho_> amrit: th e ones that come with the fan [00:09] lo Trisk[awaay] [00:09] _sho_, it gets to "linux bios data successful" and my hardware freezes, and won't even boot from the floppy either [00:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:10] <_sho_> just exactly what is an athlon mp 2200_ [00:10] daniel: ok, true, but aren't there video cards which provide good hw accell without 3D? my point is: is there a card on this damned earth which is not nvidia or ati and will be well supported by Xfree(x.org maybe too) and will let me get swsusp2 to work? [00:10] LinuxDolt: stable at extremely high speeds... like, 240+mhz bus speeds... [00:10] LinuxDolt: look for bh-5 ram [00:10] _sho_: don't bother with the retail HSF [00:10] spike: MAAATROOOXXX [00:10] _sho_: they're loud and ineffective [00:10] I'm tired of having issues with nvidia or ati cards, and I really don't care about games [00:10] <_sho_> its not retail fan [00:10] daniel: uhm, good point [00:10] Sure :) [00:10] :) [00:11] spike: if you don't need fast 3D accel a ton of older cards should do just fine... [00:11] _sho_: get yourself a pair of nice SLK-947u heatsinks and a couple of zalman dualspeed cpu fans.. keep both on the low setting and you've got really nice cooling with just about no noise [00:11] <_sho_> spike: sure. the matrox milenium [00:11] _sho_, what u think it is kinda weird, hardware freezes, never will boot in to the os, and can';t boot from floppy [00:11] Trisk[awaay]: just hw accell to play dvds and a nice res (> 1152) [00:11] <_sho_> ndowens : booting off the nic boss. disable boot from lan [00:11] that's all I need [00:12] spike: radeon cards with XFree86 drivers are nice [00:12] _sho_, not even sure it is in my bios option [00:12] <_sho_> amrit: man, i dunno, is a pair of mp2200+'s good enough for doom3? [00:12] <_sho_> ndowens :almost 100% positive it is [00:12] amrit: *whistle of astonishment* i never even thought that overclockable ram at 2-2-2 timings was possible! [00:12] _sho_: err.. does doom3 do smp? [00:12] LinuxDolt: heheh [00:12] <_sho_> supposedly yes [00:12] _sho_, well i am gonna go and see if it does [00:12] thx [00:13] ndowens (1000@dial-12-27-205-77.farmerstel.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] LinuxDolt: that's pretty much the best ram to come around ever... and it's in short supply these days [00:13] _sho_: oh [00:13] <_sho_> more importantly, what looks to be my best option [00:13] <_sho_> i want _pretty_ doom [00:13] _sho_: i'd consider looking up whether 2400+ mobile's can be modified to work in smp mode [00:14] amrit: man, golly whiz... i wish i could get my grubby paws on some of that... [00:14] _sho_: considering that they're identical to desktop 2400+s.. except that they run at MUCH less voltage, and thus can overclock 1.8ghz -> 2.4ghz pretty much guaranteed [00:14] golly whiz? :) [00:14] <_sho_> man, two years pass, and my hardware knowledge about sucks now [00:14] is x.org smaller then Xfree86 or something? [00:14] Hey [00:14] _sho_: 2.4ghz being up around 3400+ or 3600+... now, 2 of those? damn. [00:14] i have a file in $home/.ssh/ called rc [00:14] <_sho_> i dont wanna overclock :) [00:14] ya its a fork of xfree86 [00:14] NetEchi: no [00:14] when a user logs in, its not running it [00:14] _sho_: yes you do! :) [00:14] ok [00:14] why? its chmodded correctly [00:14] i mean no [00:14] NetEchi: the current release is mostly identical to XFree86 4.4 [00:14] cause people always complain of X taking a day to emerge [00:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:15] ahahhaha [00:15] but X.org takes less then 2 hours for me [00:15] <_sho_> no, dont, cause like my hardware lasting a long time :) [00:15] hey meta-ridley [00:15] LinuxDolt: yeah.. you can do ok with cheaper ram, but man.. some of that BH-5... *uNF* [00:15] been a while [00:15] _sho_: fine, then keep it at stock barton athlon xp voltage.. and it'll last just as long.. you just won't OC as much :) [00:15] keter (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:15] netechi: ??? [00:15] NetEchi: obviously you have faster hardware or more RAM... [00:15] ah you prolly don't remember [00:16] Trisk[awaay] actually nah [00:16] AMD Athlon-xp 1800 [00:16] 256mb SDram [00:16] netechi: with my memory hahah hell no [00:16] lol\ [00:16] thas ok [00:16] saw some advertised for 65 usd each... prolly all out tho, i think the forum topic is a little aged [00:16] <_sho_> amrit, help a brother out [00:16] actually ok sounds familiar [00:16] you've helped me with Slackware a few times [00:16] oh ok :) [00:16] <_sho_> i have ~$400 for this damned thing [00:16] <_sho_> i need something thats doom-proof [00:17] Nick change: NetEchi -> NetEcho [00:17] _sho_: what video card do you have currently? [00:17] <_sho_> fx5200 [00:17] Action: LinuxDolt do a search on pricewatch... lets see if something this rare even shows up on here [00:17] NetEcho // Variador sound familiar meta-ridley [00:17] oh, right :/ [00:17] _sho_: and what cpu? [00:17] <_sho_> currently dual p3 1ghz [00:17] <_sho_> with 1 gig sdram [00:17] i see [00:17] <_sho_> i cant afford a 250$ friggin video card [00:17] <_sho_> but i can afford updating my board/ram/cpu [00:17] how many chances are there I can change a laptop video card? I want to get rid of this damned nvidia :/ [00:17] irvken (~irvken@82-32-97-187.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:17] _sho_: yeah.. the decent ones these days are about $200... [00:18] I swear the only way X could take a day is if it were like a OLD tandy 3000 [00:18] B2382F29 (~B2382F29@pD9EA2D20.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:18] but I guess with laptops hw is sort of all binded together :/ [00:18] video cards are overprized, buts its the consumers fault willing to pay that much [00:18] _sho_: fyi i got this asus nf7-s nforce2 mobo, 2x256mb mushkin basic green ram, 35 watt 2400+ mobile xp, and ~350W psu for almost exactly $400... [00:18] wow... it does show up on a pricewatch.. only 2 results tho, a 256 module, and a 512 module [00:19] NetEcho: not really, the codebase is one of the largest things on earth [00:19] Action: spike kicks nvidia and proprietary sw [00:19] _sho_: but then, that 2400+ is overclocked to the level of around 3600+.. which you don't wanna do... :/ [00:19] sigjuice (~konversat@c-24-6-52-90.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:19] <_sho_> dont need a powersupply :) [00:19] <_sho_> a 2400+ mobile xp tho, that runs at aroun 2.4 ghz right? [00:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:20] spike: again, even some of the more recent cards have ok free drivers, just without 3D accel [00:20] amrit if you're using refridgerated water-cooling, ram is the only thing that can hold you back [00:20] hlen (~heinloft@200216023058.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [00:20] odth (~odth@92.a.001.ham.iprimus.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [00:20] _sho_: no, that's overclocked. at 1.8ghz stock. [00:20] <_sho_> blech [00:20] Trisk[awaay]: ok, but the laptop is already here, and has this damned nvidia FxGO 5200 [00:21] _sho_: it's hard to go much faster without spending a lot more money.. money that i don't see as being well spent there [00:21] _sho_: fyi that psu cost about $50 of that 400 [00:21] <_sho_> yeah, i have a 300 powersupply [00:21] Action: amrit nods [00:21] <_sho_> no need to spend on new one [00:22] Trisk[awaay]: I can't get swsusp2 to work due to this card, I don't really care about 3D accell but getting hibernation support is kinda like "necessary" [00:22] LinuxDolt: mmm... i suppose so... [00:22] _sho_: yeah... ok, so: [00:22] _sho_: i spent about $90 on my cpu. [00:22] <_sho_> should i just go with hyperthreading and a very fast p4? [00:22] <_sho_> instead of smp? [00:22] spike: right... and the nv driver has problems with that? [00:22] _sho_: on pricewatch im' seeing 2800+/333 cpus for $81. and then others for like +$30 [00:23] btw, other question: what would u suggest for a mobile station, like a camper? solar panels don't seem enough :/ [00:23] _sho_: so you pretty much throw that money away :/ [00:23] Trisk[awaay]: exactly :( [00:23] _sho_: that's one possiblity.. although wolf_fire claims that gcc is pretty bad at optimizing for p4s, because of some closed specs [00:23] Trisk[awaay]: no matter downgrading or upgrading, I spent 4 days checking out *all* the possible combos [00:23] spike: nv, not the nvidia proprietary one? [00:23] _sho_: something like 40% loss with gcc or something.... [00:23] http://www.hardcorecooling.us/index.asp?PageAction=PRODSEARCH&txtSearch=winbond&btnSearch=GO&Page=1 << any of these actual bh-5? i don't think so [00:23] <_sho_> so athlon is better still for gcc based apps [00:23] <_sho_> whoa, crazy [00:24] _sho_: according to him.. i've never verified it [00:24] hm [00:24] Trisk[awaay]: oh, sry, thought u were talking of nvidia. nv can't get far than 1024 and terminal are almost not readable at that res, everything is blurry [00:24] the newer p4s seem to run way too hot. Only the 3.06 ghz with HT runs cool [00:24] that's also true [00:25] netbots: error - update check recipients 'YourNick' are invalid. [00:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:25] <_sho_> athlon xps are significantly cheaper than mps [00:25] and can be used as MPs :) [00:25] <_sho_> whoaaaaaaaaa [00:25] <_sho_> your 100% positive about that? [00:26] refridgerated water cooling... Jeronimus, even a p4 3.4 ee will run cold in a refridgerated water cooling setup [00:26] yeah, there was about a 99.9% chance taht any given XP cpu could be used completely stable as an MP cpu... but in the palomino days, you had to unlock one of the bridges on the cpu itself... i bet that's changed now, but i've never looked up whether you still need to do the unlocking [00:27] (which only took 5 mins btw, but was just a bit of a pain) [00:27] <_sho_> so a pair of xp 2800/333 is pretty damn reasonable right? [00:27] yeah [00:28] SnuS (~dan@vali.gds.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [00:28] <_sho_> even if doom3 itself isnt smp capable, since my kernel is, it could just shunt the entire doom3 proctree to an unloaded cpu, and then it would be like having a 2.8 ghz cpu totally unloaded to itself? [00:28] <_sho_> (since you are so adamant i overclock :p ) [00:28] SnuS (~dan@vali.gds.ro) left irc: Client Quit [00:29] pretty much... [00:29] linuxdolt: I am not sure thats too geeky for me. I would rather wait for dothan motherboards. Those dont require any cooling at all if you get a decent heatsink [00:29] erm.. so are you overclocking, or aren't you? :) [00:29] <_sho_> help me pick a board [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:30] no fan-cooling [00:30] I hate fans, too noisy [00:30] spike: hm... can't find any info nv that resolution limition for nv.. oh well [00:30] *on that [00:31] i dont think its about speed those days. Its more about silence and low power consumtion while delivering high perfomance still [00:31] _sho_? [00:31] Jeronimus: well... since there are no kits for refridgerated setups yet... yah, but i'm gunna be building one of these, and might put together a kit even... nah, too expensive [00:31] Trisk[awaay]: well, I tried it out without success, and then it doesn't provide hw accell [00:32] paxed (paxed@paxed.active.supporter.pdpc) joined #linuxhelp. [00:32] Trisk[awaay]: and I still would like to be able to watch some anime while travelling [00:32] LinuxDolt: there are air-conditioned cases.. which is pretty much as good a kit as any [00:32] linuxdolt: your fridge needs a fan still, and it does consume lots of power i suppose. [00:33] Trisk[awaay]: this laptop is a dell inspiron 8600. on some pages I read about the possibility to get nv to work using a hacked nv/xfree version [00:33] Trisk[awaay]: but also that one didn't work for me :/ [00:33] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|zzz [00:33] jeronimus: i will build me a machine that is refridgerated water cooled tho... it'll be completely customized by me, cause there are no kits. [00:33] is there any way to prevent a user from running bash from rbash [00:34] ndowens (1000@216.198.120.241) joined #linuxhelp. [00:34] spike: weird... nv is supposed to do 2D fine [00:34] amrit: there is ac for pc now? link me up [00:34] ok dudes... time to go to sleep.. [00:34] LinuxDolt: err... yes... for years [00:34] night dude [00:34] _sho_, thx that was it i guess, i disabled onboard modem b/c i don't have it, disabled boot from other devices other than the ones i want it to, and enabled hdd smart [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:35] The next machine i will build will have 0db or i just wont build any [00:35] ehh, doesn't matter, water is still a better heat transfer material [00:35] amrit|zzz: 'nite [00:35] than air [00:35] ndowens (1000@216.198.120.241) left irc: Client Quit [00:35] gnight amrit [00:36] df001zz (~diefool@65-37-35-192.nrp4.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) left #linuxhelp. [00:36] LinuxDolt: www.kryotech.com was like the first one, 4 years or so ago... google around for a while, there are more than a few these days. [00:36] _sho_: i'll talk to you later [00:36] late dudes [00:36] spike: hm.. so you want to install a different card? is that even possible on a laptop? [00:36] the only thing which might be audible still will be the harddrive or the cdrom when it works, but i ll take care of the harddrive as well [00:36] Grommet (~grommet@12-223-60-93.client.insightbb.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:37] Jeronimus: i've heard of someone who stuck their refridgeration unit in another room... which works pretty good i suppose, if you want to make your water travel that far and have 4 pumps to handle it all [00:37] Trisk[awaay]: I asked that before u :P [00:37] didn't think so :/ [00:39] Jeronimus: but you really don't need to do refridgerated water cooling unless you are looking to do major overclocking for less money than the more direct methods [00:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:40] LinuxDolt (~someone@cblmdm204-118-181-56.buckeye-express.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:41] that fridge cooling would have been interesting if i did alot of gaming still. [00:42] lots of lag here [00:42] anyway, time to get some sleep [00:42] <_sho_> amrits gone eh? [00:42] Action: _sho_ pokes amrit [00:42] n8 everybody [00:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:45] zebraa (~zzZ@220-253-48-29.VIC.netspace.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [00:46] ompaul (~ompaul@213-202-152-176.bas503.dsl.esat.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:47] AzMoo[w] (~AzMoo@eth4931.sa.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:47] Nick change: Jeronimus -> JeroZZZ [00:48] dragos_ (~dragos@CPE0080c6f0cd5f-CM000f9f7c1276.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [00:49] when I try : rcp -r sun:/mnt2/Disk1/doc ./ ; I get many like rcp: .//doc/unixdoc: Permission denied errors ...what is the problem ? [00:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:50] zebraa (~zzZ@220-253-48-29.VIC.netspace.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [00:50] virsys (~virsys@64-40-51-55.ncplus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:51] dragos_, maybe there is a file which has the same name as a to be created folder ... [00:54] tamy (~sdfasdf@pD9EAB49B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [00:55] st (~st@stalker.ez.no) joined #linuxhelp. [00:55] I try to run a bash-script, but get: [00:55] : bad interpreter: No such file or directory [00:55] hlen (~heinloft@200216023058.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:56] st: how do you try to run it and what is in the first line of your file? [00:58] now the first line is #!/bin/bash [00:58] it used to be sh, but I changed it to bash [00:58] /bin/bash works fine, also tried to compile a clean version of bash, but still got bat interpreter [00:58] do you have bash installed under /bin/ ? maybe it is under /usr/bin ....oder /sbin oder /usr/sbin [00:58] hmmm [00:59] and if you try /bin/bash ? [00:59] tamy (~sdfasdf@pD9EAB49B.dip.t-dialin.net) left #linuxhelp. [01:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:00] Writing user file... [01:00] Writing channel file... [01:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [01:01] it's under bin [01:01] st: btw ... it is better if you leave it as #!/bin/sh .... and change /bin/sh (which should be a link) [01:01] 'odfix.sh: line 65: syntax error near unexpected token `do [01:01] 'odfix.sh: line 65: `do [01:02] get like this.. [01:02] the file is named modfix.sh, but as you see, it says odfix.sh [01:02] war- (war@producto-valvo.com) joined #linuxhelp. [01:02] there's nothing wrong in the if statement, the script is working fine on all other systems [01:03] Mon Aug 2 23:55:38 2004 --> x11-base/xorg-x11-6.7.0-r1 [01:03] merge time: 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 13 seconds. [01:03] st: locale setting ? maybe an UTF-8 prob... [01:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:07] hmm.. [01:07] st: because of the characters getting chewed [01:08] tried: export LANG=en_EN ; ./modfix.sh [01:08] same shit [01:08] sigjuice (~konversat@c-24-6-52-90.client.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:09] st: there is no en_EN [01:09] en_US or en_GB I thoguht? [01:09] zomtec (1000@pD9EA8795.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [01:09] yes ... en_GB.iso88591 or en_US.iso88591 (and the utf8 versions but no en_EN [01:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:10] heatx (~jack@c-24-4-254-103.client.comcast.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [01:10] try: [01:11] LANG=en_GB.iso88591 ./modfix.sh [01:11] B2382F29, is the difference between en_GB and en_US because the Canadians spell stuff different to the Irish? [01:11] same error [01:11] en_CA.iso88591 [01:11] :-D [01:12] it is still complaining about that line 65 ? [01:13] or about the bad interpreter [01:14] ompaul, no the differences are mostly based on stuff like metric system, currency .... (a locale has more than just characterset) [01:14] anyone know what package allows you to use xwmconfig? [01:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:15] xwm? [01:15] ok [01:15] thx [01:15] :-D [01:15] i don't know [01:15] B2382F29, depends on if I do ./modfi... og /bin/bash modfix.sh [01:15] nope [01:15] no such package [01:15] B2382F29, perhaps I was being weak humoured, after all I use the euro and have a uk stg logo on my keyboard [01:15] NetEcho ..there is an easy wa to find [01:16] VivekVC (~Vivek@202.83.46.182) left irc: "Leaving" [01:16] NetEcho, http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/ ... and type in the file you are looking for [01:17] hmm ... but this time it didn't work [01:17] NetEcho, there is a lot here http://www.google.ie/search?q=xwmconfig&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta= <-- what in particular are you after with it? [01:17] xwmconfig seems to be some slackware stuff [01:19] yea :/ [01:19] YAY [01:19] X works 10x better then it did in Slackware [01:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:20] emerge > *Linux package management [01:20] but [01:20] BSD Port system > emerge in some ways [01:21] GG_Allin (~snozzy@CPE0050ba3f56cf-CM000f9f7f15cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.0c18: just when you thought it couldn't get any better" [01:21] odth (~odth@92.a.001.ham.iprimus.net.au) left irc: ""do not ride the bomb"" [01:21] NetEcho, .-- depends ... i fucking freaked out with BSD and those port systems ... nothing worked and i had no time to read the NONEXISTENT documentation on the minimal install cd [01:21] any gentoo users here? [01:21] NetEcho, here [01:21] oh good [01:22] how would I emerge xchat 1.8.11 I can only find 2.x [01:22] ??? why? [01:22] it has treeview :P [01:22] first: search for xchat [01:22] did that [01:22] only 2.x [01:23] Tcl error in script for 'timer1234876': [01:23] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [01:23] emerge -s xchat [01:23] one moment [01:23] 2.4.0 and 2.0.9 [01:23] :o [01:23] wow big jump [01:23] you find net-irc/xchat [01:23] ok? -- [01:23] yea [01:23] B2382F29, FreeBSD packages installed using /stand/sysinstall beats ports unless you really need to get every last ounce of optimisation out fo the code or after a quick test the package is fscked [01:23] UQlev (~ykulyev@sallbay9.logos.cy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:23] but its 2.0.9 [01:24] then you do: emerge -v /usr/portage/net-irc/xchat/xchat-1.8.11-r1.ebuild [01:24] that is just to find the path [01:24] (the search) [01:24] coo [01:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:25] compiling / merging 2 of 24 [01:25] :o [01:25] is that just downloading more links in the portage? [01:25] hmm... maybe you should have made -pv first (to see what it will emerge ) [01:25] meh [01:26] thats ok [01:26] no... not in portage ... it will download the source for the oprogrammms and save it in /usr/portage/distfiles/ [01:26] oh its only merging librarys right? [01:26] so that I can find the stuff [01:27] now a cigarette *another case well done* [01:28] lol [01:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [01:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:31] hey its building good stuff [01:31] like gtklib [01:31] and alsa lib [01:31] BTW [01:31] how hard is it to fix up alsa to make it work [01:31] like compile it [01:31] NetEcho, add alsa to USE flags [01:31] does it need any configs? [01:31] or does it auto config [01:32] <-- already has a alsa useflag [01:32] hmm.... well it should probe all drivers ... [01:32] so it should auto setup? [01:32] NetEcho, you should add net-irc/xchat to package.mask ... or it will update your xchat the next time [01:32] hrm? [01:32] how do i do that [01:33] edit /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask [01:33] >net-irc/xchat-1.8.11-r1 [01:33] at the top [01:33] the very top? [01:34] hmm ... shouldn't matter .. but yes... [01:34] or below the header [01:34] i don't know ... could be that the rest gets updated ... so better at the very top [01:34] ok [01:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:35] so emerge -u world re-compiles everything to the newest version? [01:35] emerge -uDv world [01:35] is the best ... it updates everything :-) [01:35] D = [01:35] D == Deep --- [01:35] and deep does? [01:36] first package gets update ... other packages which this package depends on do too [01:37] ok that really confused me lol [01:38] NetEcho, just remeber: -D updates loooots of stuff [01:38] Action: B2382F29 has bash-3.0 (unstable) [01:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:41] k [01:41] heatsink (~jack@c-24-4-254-103.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:42] anyone in here know how to enable ide_cs in the kernel? [01:43] lurch_ (~lurch@143.100-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [01:43] linuxfreck (~chris@pD9EB5FF8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:44] hey B2382F29 is there a way to qeue more then 1 emerge [01:44] yep [01:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:45] so that way I can leave it go all night so it will download stuff [01:45] _sho_ (~eriktest@209.239.38.110) left #linuxhelp. [01:45] how? [01:45] 1. you could download it all before ... -f [01:45] hmm? [01:45] oh [01:45] 2? [01:45] emerge -uf world gets all the packages and then you can disconnecrt [01:46] 2. [01:46] emerge [01:46] commas or no commas? [01:46] e.g. emerge socks pants trousers [01:46] lol [01:46] Action: NetEcho does [01:47] emerge alsa xmms gnome kde kmail [01:47] bavarian (UNIX@dsl-58-218.aei.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] hmm [01:47] alsa is not a package [01:47] its not? [01:47] you need: [01:47] kmail is not, either, iirc. [01:48] alsa-driver [01:48] kmail is in kdenetwork [01:48] alsa-lib [01:48] damn [01:48] alsa-utils [01:48] and maybe alsa-oss [01:48] so emerge alsa*? [01:49] emerge alsa-driver alsa-lib alsa-utils alsa-oss xmms gnome kde [01:49] kmail should be in kde ... kde is a bogus package which includes all the kde thingies like kmail [01:49] would xmms* work? [01:49] there is quite a few stuff [01:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:50] heatsink: it's shown as "PCMCIA IDE support" [01:50] NetEcho, you NEED that stuff??? [01:50] actually no [01:50] I can do that manualy [01:50] then first do basics ... kde and gnome take the whole night [01:51] heatsink: you need to enable pcmcia support first, of course [01:51] Or two. [01:51] daniel, :-D (at least i never use KDE) [01:51] well X only took 1 hour [01:52] so KDE and Gnome should take maybe 5 hours each [01:52] I know open office takes 6 hours [01:52] and isn't open office bigger? [01:52] damnit [01:52] Warning: I could not locate your pod2man program. Please make sure, [01:52] your pod2man program is in your PATH before you execute 'make' [01:52] well I could always tell emerge to use binarys [01:52] NetEcho, if you have spare CPU and worry about it taking too short ... then install seti@home [01:52] spamassassin is crazy [01:52] pod2man is in my path [01:52] does anyone have ANY ideas? [01:53] B2382F29? [01:53] NetEcho, you want to build all and everything NOW ... :-D [01:53] first kde and gnome then do the rest ... [01:53] I'm going to bed after I do that [01:53] I'll prolly sleep all day [01:54] nmatrix9 (nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: [01:54] then add openoffice .or better openoffice-ximian [01:54] (it looks gnomish) [01:54] I don't want openoffice lol [01:54] but I know it takes 6 hours [01:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [01:55] I could specify -k [01:55] and it would use binarys [01:55] but nah [01:55] http://clai.net/sayamindu/images/Ximian_OOo.jpg [01:56] i have it in case some prick gives me a word-file [01:56] heh [01:56] wpd? [01:56] yea [01:56] I've used open office befroe [01:56] *before [01:56] my school uses it [01:57] we'll definatly be using it on the linux lab heh [01:58] * app-office/openoffice-ximian [01:58] Latest version available: 1.1.61 [01:58] Latest version installed: 1.1.53 [01:58] nooo... again [02:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:00] Writing user file... [02:00] Writing channel file... [02:00] so if I emerge KDE it emerges every kde package? [02:00] NetEcho, exactly [02:00] good [02:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [02:01] I hope 6 gigs is good enough [02:01] it should [02:01] I've done kde and gnome installs before [02:01] I wanna have some room to temporarly dual windows [02:01] so I can play games with my friend when he's over next week [02:02] hmm... should be enough ... but you have to clean up sometimes [02:02] in /usr/portage/distfiles/ [02:02] hrm? [02:02] right now you could delete the XFree ... [02:02] Trisk[awaay]: thankis [02:02] hmm? [02:02] btw... Next time do NOT install X and THEN gnome ... [02:02] Trisk[awaay]: thanks [02:02] hehe [02:03] just install gnome ... that will install X too [02:03] there is no xfree in there [02:03] ok ... xorg [02:03] hell even lilo installed xorg [02:03] lol [02:03] if xorg isn't installed any program will install it [02:03] good old use flags [02:04] hmm... normally they use Xfree [02:04] not xorg [02:04] Xfree = no longer gpl [02:04] so xorg is default now [02:04] not exactly [02:04] xorg is pretty stable now [02:04] XFree86, was never GPL, it's just no longer stricly GPL compatible [02:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:05] ok... so i have to change too :-D.... i just thought it was still default [02:05] heh [02:05] X.org is a fork of XFree86, the last release was stable since it differed very little from XFree86 4.4 [02:05] jep --- r2.2 [02:05] someone must teach me to use X via ssh [02:05] lol [02:05] so when I'm at school I can use my gui :P [02:06] net-echo ... that is easy [02:06] hrmm.. [02:06] but not this morning [02:06] ssh -X user@host [02:06] or do you want the whole desktop? [02:06] heh [02:06] to use my desktop from Putty [02:06] in windows [02:06] I use fluxbox [02:07] you'd need an X server on windows [02:07] hmm... windows ... then you need either x-server or you could use VNC [02:07] (if it is installed there) [02:07] I heard putty can do it [02:07] NetEcho, yes ... IF you have an X-Server [02:08] oh on the linux box? [02:08] NetEcho: putty is an ssh client [02:08] no [02:08] no ... on windows [02:08] :( [02:08] google for cygwin [02:08] for cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com/ [02:08] meh [02:08] B2382F29 I can't install cygwin on a school computer [02:08] not only would I lose my admin privaleges I'd lose all privaleges [02:09] you use windows in school? [02:09] and we are setting up a linux lab [02:09] but the linux lab is C++ class only [02:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:10] NetEcho, that sounds better ... at the uni here we have just some "special" computers for apps that need windows ... never saw them ... it's like you have to jump through loops to get there [02:11] _iceman (~eraser@62.123.197.73) left irc: Client Quit [02:12] Action: B2382F29 is smoking again (5min) [02:12] jony (jony@1-1-3-33a.has.sth.bostream.se) joined #linuxhelp. [02:13] B2382F29 [02:13] how do I start a screen session between my ssh terminal and my computer [02:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:16] Jazza (Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:17] and how do I boot root vc/1 Aug 3 01:14 [02:17] log out... [02:18] hrm thought that was someone else [02:18] ok how to do I connect to a screen session [02:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:20] hrm [02:20] Idea [02:21] ok [02:21] screen [02:21] (start screen session) [02:21] did that [02:22] but for the other end to connect? [02:22] ok ... first you login via ssh [02:23] then you start screen (first time) [02:23] then if you go away ... [02:23] heatsink (~jack@c-24-4-254-103.client.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:23] hrm? [02:23] yes I've started screen before just never connected to it [02:24] screen -ls shows open sceens [02:24] k [02:24] screen -R attaches to the first screen session [02:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:25] k [02:25] Action: NetEcho tests [02:25] screen -r connect to specific session [02:25] Ctrl-a Ctrl-d detaches from current screen session [02:26] ok [02:27] nite time [02:27] n8 [02:27] NetEcho (~NetEchi@cable-63-135-30-8.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) left irc: [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:31] paxed (paxed@paxed.active.supporter.pdpc) left #linuxhelp. [02:32] NetEcho (~jordan@cable-63-135-30-8.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:32] hey B2382F29 u there? [02:33] jep [02:33] whats up? [02:33] it says I have alsa built into my kernel is that good? [02:33] well ... it is ok ... so you don't need alsa-driver ... just alsa-lib and alsa-utils [02:34] what I figured [02:34] Inv_Arp (junya@adsl-10-142-83.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:34] Action: NetEcho was smart [02:34] to copy over the command from ssh to this machine [02:34] I just make a .sh file to execute [02:34] oh whats the command to launch gpm? [02:34] ? [02:34] /etc/init.d/gpm [02:34] aehm [02:34] /etc/init.d/gpm start [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:35] or learn to type faster [02:35] need to set up MOUSEDEV and MOUSE first [02:35] oh I can type fast [02:35] I can't remember commands when running across the house [02:36] how do I set mousedev and mouse [02:37] hmm [02:37] there we go [02:37] figured it out [02:37] good old -hh [02:37] -h* [02:37] is there gpm im /etc/conf.d/ ? [02:37] yea [02:37] wait [02:37] maybe [02:37] there you could set it [02:37] or you can set link /dev/mouse [02:38] black_flag (~black_fla@h11n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:38] yea [02:38] there was a config for gpm [02:38] /dev/misc/psaux [02:39] sometimes /dev/input/mice will work too [02:39] gpm -m /dev/misc/psaux -t ps2 [02:39] Hi. How do I mount my ntfs partition so a group of user has read and execute acces to it?? [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:40] time togo [02:40] bye [02:40] gid=yourgroup [02:40] NetEcho (~jordan@cable-63-135-30-8.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:40] how do I get subtitles on a dvd I am playing from disk ? (mplayer) [02:40] and if I only want a specific user to have acces to it? [02:41] umask=0007 (for group) [02:41] umask=0077 for user (with uid=youruser...) [02:41] mount -t ntfs -o uid=user1,gid=group1,umask=0007 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/sucks [02:42] thx, I'll try it [02:42] ahem [02:42] mount -t ntfs -o exec,uid=user1,gid=group1,umask=0007 /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/sucks [02:42] the exec... [02:43] grepper, dvd? then you want the vob-subtitles [02:44] B2382F29: do tell ;) please elaborate [02:44] irvke (~irvken@82-32-5-93.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:44] Norky (~dan@milton.ocsl.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:45] grepper, -dumpsub (reading manpage helps:-) [02:45] B2382F29, yeah. It worked, thanks alot [02:46] B2382F29: hm, did a /subtitle in man mplayer and couldn't find it . . . I 'll try it [02:46] Norky (~dan@milton.ocsl.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:46] im running out of hard drive space, i need to think of a way to salvage my MBytes without deleting pr0n [02:46] grepper, check the section about subtitles [02:46] sorcerer (~sorcerer@82.194.33.90) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:47] Norky (~dan@milton.ocsl.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:47] grepper: called OSD/SUB OPTIONS [02:48] black_flag (~black_fla@h11n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:48] B2382F29: what would a subtitle file likely be called ? [02:48] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp08392498pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:52] black_flag (~black_fla@h11n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:54] B2382F29: *.IFO and *.BUP are the only other files I have in the dir [02:54] besides the *.VOB [02:54] Norky (~dan@milton.ocsl.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/9 e/- I/-] [02:55] grepper, AND? [02:55] hmm [02:55] sure? [02:55] nothing called dumpsub [02:55] (without ending) [02:56] better use a tool to convert it to text [02:56] subrip (windows ... works in wine too) [02:56] nope [02:57] r there any way to write to a ntfs partition from slackware 10?? [02:57] captive ntfs-driver [02:57] if I use -dumpsub I get: demux: File doesn't contain the selected audio or video stream [02:57] but i don't know about slackware [02:58] and a coredump [02:58] his it safe? [02:58] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-58-218.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [02:58] I think it might be easier to just learn native Indian than figure this out ;) [02:58] black_flag, should be safe ... it uses the windows-ntfs driver [02:59] may have to learn a little arabic too [02:59] http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ [02:59] thx [03:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [03:02] grepper ... try something like: -dumpsub -vobsubout mysubtitle [03:04] black_flag (~black_fla@h11n4c1o838.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:05] Unknown option on the command line: vobsubout [03:05] grepper, old version? [03:06] ompaul (~ompaul@213-202-152-176.bas503.dsl.esat.net) left irc: "bye" [03:07] B2382F29: strange, there is a -vobsubout in the man page [03:08] Tcl error in script for 'timer1237999': [03:08] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [03:08] MPlayer 1.0pre4-3.3.3 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team [03:09] zomtec (1000@pD9EA8795.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:09] Jazza (Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:10] maybe you should get cvs ... or better ... get a better tool for that job ... http://dvd.box.sk/index.php?pid=soft&prj=list&tools=subtitle&pol=20 [03:10] some will work with wine [03:10] ok, thanks B2382F29 [03:11] grepper, you're trying to extract the subtitles to a separate file from a dvd movie? [03:11] Trisk[awaay]: I guess [03:11] I'm just trying to get subtitles ;) [03:12] oh, that's a different story then... have you considered just playing the thing in xine? [03:12] oh, xine handles it better ? [03:12] hm [03:12] grepper, you just want to PLAY? [03:12] grepper, that is another story [03:13] mplayer -slang=en [03:13] or any xine-based player (kaffeine, totem, etc.) [03:13] or something like that [03:13] mplayer -v shows you the available languages [03:14] aehnm, ... . [03:14] xine has buttons (or key combos) to select the subtitle/sound during playback =P [03:14] -slang en [03:14] xine is sloow [03:14] no it's not [03:14] and the ui sucks big hairy monkey balls [03:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:15] B2382F29: *which* UI? there are skins and several xine-lib players using different toolkits [03:16] Trisk[awaay], it is a hell to install ... and it is lost on little defects in files [03:16] ffmpeg and mpeg2 decoding are the same for all common media players, there's no speed issue you can complain about that isn't shared by the others [03:17] Trisk[awaay], yeah.. but with xine you need libdvdcss, with mplayer to play a DVD you don't ... and you don't even have to patch your DVD drive to wath DVDs from other regions [03:17] yeah, xine plays this badly [03:18] and its not a question of subtitle toggle, mplayer has that toggled on, but no subtitles [03:18] B2382F29: um, libdvdcss is always needed [03:18] andrew2325 (0@1Cust47.tnt33.dfw5.da.uu.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:18] grepper --- if you have it on Harddisk ... -slang en could not be working ... [03:19] B2382F29: yes, I was just saying you were on the right track [03:19] andrew2325 (0@1Cust47.tnt33.dfw5.da.uu.net) left #linuxhelp. [03:19] pardon the pun [03:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:20] Trisk[awaay], NOOO... you don't need libdvdcss ... mplayer cracks the keys (CSS has weak encryption) and as such you don't need a player key [03:20] grepper: to see subtitles i use the -sid option: mplayer -sid file.avi [03:20] idaho45, exactly [03:20] grepper, with mplayer -v you should see the numbers [03:20] grepper: you need to try with various numbers until you find it [03:20] its a file.vob [03:20] B2382F29: and the firmware patching is for certain rpc-ii drives, that can't be avoided in some situations (so far I have not encountered a drive that has needed it) [03:21] L3d (1000@a213-22-158-239.netcabo.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [03:21] B2382F29: that's what libdvdcss does, idiot [03:21] B2382F29: and mplayer uses it [03:21] Trisk[awaay], no, you don't need it ... mplayer gets the encrypted data and decrypts it without the help of the DVD drive which is what libdvdcss does ... idiot [03:21] player key -> drive -> title key .. [03:21] hi ppl: i edited xfree to use twinview on my tv, the the screen doesnt fit on tv, its too big, can any1 help ? [03:22] Little (~liuyong@61.51.72.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:22] Trisk[awaay], so you have to wait ~ 10 sec the first time you play a DVD with mplayer [03:22] (decrypt the title key) [03:23] L3d (1000@a213-22-158-239.netcabo.pt) left irc: Client Quit [03:23] L3d (1000@a213-22-158-239.netcabo.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [03:23] idaho45: cool thanks ! - I have french now, still checking ;) [03:24] B2382F29: that is done using libdvdcss, libdvdcss has 3 decryption methods; player key, disc key, and title key [03:24] Trisk[awaay], ok ... libdvdcss has added this method ... (quite new for them ... the title:methd [03:24] 2 years ago they hadn't [03:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:26] remember that version chaos with libdvdcss and ogle DVD player [03:27] B2382F29: uh, the title key method was the first one implemented for libdvdcss [03:28] earlier decryption, which was the original method, was using the licenced player keys [03:29] that was up to libcss, which I think libdvdcss was based on [03:29] yeah ... but mplayer had that (without the player key before libdvdcss was used by something ... maybe they copied from their CVS. .. [03:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [03:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:32] L3d (1000@a213-22-158-239.netcabo.pt) left irc: "leaving" [03:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:36] got it finally: -sid 5 [03:37] thanks all for you help, B2382F29, Trisk[awaay], idaho45 [03:38] trask (~trask@81.19.234.132) joined #linuxhelp. [03:38] B2382F29: looking back at old release notes, mplayer used libcss before switching to libdvdcss, and css code was always external [03:39] libcss only used player keys... [03:39] just plugged in my second cpu on my board.. on my last kernelbuild i enabled all that dual options.. now how do i see how they work? (System Monitor only tells me one CPU is running but it can be both at the same time) [03:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:40] trash: look at /proc/cpuinfo [03:41] Trisk: ok thanks :) [03:41] Action: trash is not trask. [03:41] or check dmesg (at the beginning if you cpu is correctly recognized [03:42] trash: ack, my bad [03:42] Trisk[awaay], does xine use qt ? [03:42] Action: spike *grins* at trash [03:42] not the first time our nicks are swapped.. [03:42] B2382F29: no, but there is a kde based player using xine-lib called kaffeine [03:43] no, i prefer gnome ... but there was something long ago ... a goood reason not to use xine ... i just can't remember anymore... maybe it was slower (on an 300 MHz P2) [03:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:45] _sho_ (~eriktest@209.239.38.110) joined #linuxhelp. [03:45] <_sho_> whats a regex that can be used to block access to all .* files in a directory via htaccess [03:46] <_sho_> indexignore .* doesnt work [03:47] _sho_, something with hidden [03:48] _sho_: \..* would be the matching regex [03:49] <_sho_> Trisk[awaay]: no go, still finds and displays it [03:49] UQlev (~ykulyev@sallbay9.logos.cy.net) left #linuxhelp. [03:49] that regex should match all files with a dot in it anyway [03:49] vanLG (1000@ctv-213-164-101-137.vinita.lt) joined #linuxhelp. [03:49] hi [03:49] mm, unless you prefix with ^ [03:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:50] <_sho_> http://subdomain.eriksdomain.alabanza.com/.bashrc [03:50] <_sho_> notice it aint gettin blocked [03:50] which directive in the .htaccess is this? and I assume the httpd is apache? [03:50] why can i only make aterm full transparent? only -sh 100 works. But i want it with -sh 80. aterm for me is full transparent or non transparent oly [03:50] at home if i click on an rss item in evolution it launches mozilla to view the associated web page, but at the office nothing happens, where can I set it up so it does the same [03:50] <_sho_> IndexIgnore \..* .htaccess */.??* *~ [03:50] Deny from all [03:50] <_sho_> thats my current rule [03:50] lurch_ (~lurch@177-52.241.81.adsl.skynet.be) joined #linuxhelp. [03:51] _sho_, do you want to deny access or deny listing [03:51] <_sho_> B2382F29 : is there a way i can redirect to a 404? [03:51] <_sho_> id prefer to have people think these files arent there at all [03:51] <_sho_> redirectmatch .* ? [03:51] is there then anything i should do to activate the new processor .. or has the system done all the fun for me already? [03:52] trask: if it's listed, it's working... [03:53] _sho_: IndexIgnore (based on the existing entries you have) appears to be using shell-type wildcards, not regex, so .* would be correct for it [03:54] Trisk[awaay], he tried that [03:54] it SHOULD work... [03:54] but .. [03:54] no, he put \..* in IndexIgnore [03:54] vanLG (1000@ctv-213-164-101-137.vinita.lt) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [03:54] <_sho_> indexignore .* doesnt work [03:54] <_sho_> no, first thing i tried was .* [03:54] oh [03:54] <_sho_> B2382F29: thanks boss, got this working with a redirect match [03:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/9 e/- I/-] [03:56] _sho_, no wait [03:56] boerst (~boerst@pD9EA580E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:57] <_sho_> im not goin nowheres [03:57] moin [03:57] <_sho_> how would i redirect away a .dir directory [03:58] <_sho_> RedirectMatch (.*)/\.dir* / [03:58] <_sho_> doesnt work [03:58] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp08392498pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:58] <_sho_> i get a permission denied [03:58] <_sho_> rather than the redirect [03:58] _sho_, i'm working on it [03:59] then set the environment variable LC_ALL to "C" and retry [03:59] i must be retarded [03:59] i tried to do set, and env, and just tried LC_ALL="C" [04:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:00] Writing user file... [04:00] Writing channel file... [04:00] so what else should i do? [04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [04:01] intrr (intrr@loom.intrr.org) joined #linuxhelp. [04:03] .!.* [04:03] what about that? [04:04] torf (~torf@pD95DB4A0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:04] <_sho_> nope [04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:05] i'm currently restructuring my whole network, including DNS, and I'm thinking about not using bind 9 and instead using djbdns. does anyone have practical experience with it? is it a reliable and working replacement? [04:05] (i don't only cache, i also serve addresses of course) [04:05] DoM (DoM@dom.lan.micso.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:05] lo all [04:05] any1 use backuppc ? [04:06] intrr: djb is eveil! [04:06] <_sho_> RedirectMatch (.*)/\.\.* / [04:06] <_sho_> that works [04:06] hi spike :) [04:06] DoM: I should [04:06] <_sho_> but it doesnt cover .dir directories [04:06] ok... any specific reasons for saying that? :) [04:06] <_sho_> those give me a access denied instead [04:06] intrr: google for "djb flame" :) [04:06] _sho_ : .[^.]* [04:07] that should be it [04:07] spike do you know why i have letter f in front of any dir or files that i had backup :P ? [04:07] spike: heh. [04:07] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.91.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:07] intrr: actually djbdns is not bad, it's djb himself that's pushing some "wrong" ideas [04:07] indexignore .[^.]* [04:08] <_sho_> nope, no good [04:08] spike: well, i'd just use bind (i already have a bunch of zone files in its format), but suse 9.1's bind installation is... urm... mystical. [04:08] _sho_, how do you test? [04:09] that regexp is correct [04:09] and how so quick [04:09] <_sho_> i have my .htaccess file open, cut n paste and reload [04:09] <_sho_> takes all of 2 seconds [04:09] and save? [04:09] no way it's wrong, error is elsewhere then [04:09] <_sho_> thats what ctrl-o is for [04:09] <_sho_> so far the only thing that has worked has been [04:09] _sho_, oh ... it's not correct [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:10] <_sho_> RedirectMatch (.*)\.\.* / [04:10] hmm... it is ok [04:11] <_sho_> http://subdomain.eriksdomain.alabanza.com/.bashrc [04:11] <_sho_> examine away, you can see that .[^.]* doesnt work [04:11] hey... that is for INDEX [04:11] not for access [04:12] Tcl error in script for 'timer1241213': [04:12] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [04:12] do you USE index? [04:12] away? which away? [04:13] and why do you have files in a directory which you don't want to be available ... just move 'em [04:13] _sho_, you don't have an index .... just a permission denied [04:14] spike: figure of speech, ~= "as you wish" [04:14] Trisk[awaay], well aren't we all psychic? [04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:15] O_o [04:15] wth does that come from? /me goes looking into jargon [04:15] spike: common english usage [04:16] psychic [04:16] *['saikik] [04:16] a. uB„, ¾^„, Ãu„ [04:16] n. ë, ui, Ãu°a [04:16] ; ¾^„, Ãf [04:16] psychic [04:16] psychic [saikik] [04:16] psychisch [04:17] *question ... how many here have UTF8 as standarf [04:17] iceman684 (eraser@2001:1418:107:b:0:0:0:1) joined #linuxhelp. [04:17] -f+d [04:18] iceman684, i want IPv6 too ... [04:18] aaaaaaaaaaaaah, "examine away", I thought "away" was the figure of speech :) [04:18] and I thought wtf :P [04:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:22] irvke (~irvken@82-32-5-93.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Client Exiting" [04:23] Swampy (~Noone@port113.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [04:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:25] <_sho_> B2382F29 : i know theres no index [04:25] <_sho_> not supposed to be [04:25] <_sho_> just supposed to deny access silently to .dir directories [04:26] ok ... then you need Deny from all [04:26] in 3 lines [04:26] with gentoo, anyone know what causes "/sbin/runscript.sh: line 83: FTP: command not found" at ftp service start? [04:27] <_sho_> there no way to redirect directories starting with a . tho? [04:28] AND you need AllowOverride All in the main directive [04:28] B2382F29: um, that regex will match all files without a . in them [04:28] <_sho_> already got that in there [04:28] Trisk[awaay], the first point? [04:28] .[^.]* [04:28] to unpack a tar.gz file you simple just 'tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz' correct? [04:29] Vinland, yes ... or tar xvzf filename.tar.gz (without the -) [04:29] B2382F29: it won't match .aa.bbb [04:29] Vinland: that's work. [04:29] B2382F29: you need to escape it, and also prefix with beginning-of-line... [04:29] Trisk[awaay], hmmm [04:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [04:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:30] Trisk[awaay], it matches [04:30] the * is not for [^.] [04:30] ^\..* ? [04:30] B2382F29: .aaa.bbb won't be matched [04:30] spike it matches [04:30] test it [04:31] it is file regex... not some perl-regex [04:31] oh, well, true, 'cause it misses the ^ at the beginning [04:32] _sho_, now tell us EXACTLY what you are trying to do [04:32] <_sho_> for the 10th time... [04:32] <_sho_> redirect .dir directories anywhere [04:32] eheheh [04:33] where's anywhere? :P [04:33] sure ? first it was index ... [04:33] <_sho_> doesnt matter where [04:33] <_sho_> denying is a poor choice to redirection, since redirection is more stealthy [04:33] what about moving them away? [04:33] <_sho_> hm, actually, i feel very very stupid [04:34] <_sho_> apache takes into consideration umask before access privileges [04:34] B2382F29: actually, .[^.]* will match any string at all, since the number of occurences of . can be 0 [04:34] <_sho_> thats something new i didnt know [04:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:35] Trisk[awaay], i thought so first ... but it is not true ... file regex specifies *() for that [04:36] * just matches everything ... but not regarding that before ... so it has to start with dot and one character without dot [04:37] Trisk[awaay], check man bash [04:37] B2382F29: but the first char is not a dot in regex [04:37] it is a non-dot char [04:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:40] irvke (~irvken@82-32-5-93.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [04:42] .[^.]* matches *any* one a char, and then a char that is not a dot, then the * extends that to zero or more following chars [04:42] _sho_, for directories you need [04:42] <_sho_> ahhh, thas first i heard of that one [04:42] <_sho_> thanks B2382F29 [04:42] Trisk[awaay], ok... on regex yes ... on bash expansion No [04:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:45] _sho_, but that will not work in .htaccess [04:45] Context: server config, virtual host [04:46] <_sho_> nod, just noticed that [04:46] mew [04:46] regex "^\." will only list files beginning with . [04:47] B2382F29: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/core.html states that the *match directives uses regex, not shell wildcards (indexignore uses wildcards) [04:48] newbien: right [04:48] ah ... ok ... then i changed those two ... yes then it would be \.[^.].* [04:48] Trisk is that what you are looking for? [04:49] newbien, problem is with . and .. [04:49] B2382F29: you'd still need ^ to not match . in the middle of a filename... [04:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:50] ^\.[^.].* [04:50] Nick change: spike -> spike|fud [04:51] l8r [04:51] <_sho_> wavies spike [04:51] <_sho_> make sure you get your doom3 today [04:51] late [04:51] regex "^\.[a-zA-Z]" will only list files beginning with . and not .. files [04:51] newbien: what about files named .0123 ? [04:52] you want ^\.[^.] [04:52] regex "^\.[a-zA-Z0-9]" will only list files beginning with . and not .. files [04:52] newbien: what about a file named ., ? [04:52] newbien: not a good idea, there are a lot of possible chars here [04:53] ^\.[^.] is pretty much the best solution [04:53] newbien, what about .a.b.c [04:53] newbien, dots can appear later [04:54] Vinland (~Vinland@d137-186-202-222.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:54] so u want a simple regex that eliminates just what you dont want like .. files [04:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [04:55] newbien, no he needed it for his directories ... _sho_ ... but i still haven't understood WHY... [04:55] B2382F29 ok, read that too [04:57] mv .[^.]* /somewhere/else/ would be the easiest solution ... stealthy ... secure. .. [04:57] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-58-218.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:58] Eternal_Darkness (~skyjager@c-24-131-43-96.mw.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:58] trask (~trask@81.19.234.132) left #linuxhelp. [05:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [05:00] Writing user file... [05:00] Writing channel file... [05:00] Action: intrr will now try to compile bind 9.2.3 on a 1999 box [05:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [05:01] Eternal_Darkness (~skyjager@c-24-131-43-96.mw.client2.attbi.com) left #linuxhelp. [05:02] I compiled qmail on a 1994 box [05:03] Trisk[awaay]: cool. that gives me hope :) [05:04] doesn't look as if configure complained yet [05:04] (it needs a few minutes :_) [05:04] heh [05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [05:05] wanna turn that stone old box into a secondary... [05:06] heh ... i had my server (apache 2, php, postgresql) on an AMD K6 with 32 MB [05:06] heh, it's still in configure. [05:06] B2382F29: :) [05:06] it had that bug, so i could not put in more memory [05:06] stepping B [05:06] instead you put in a fast hard disk and put a big swap partition on it? :-) [05:07] my mailserver is running out of disk space, still need to get male->female scsi adapters [05:07] hegel (hegelianfo@dyn-shp-225-147.dyn.columbia.edu) left irc: "synthesis" [05:07] intrr ... using gentoo it took some time to compile .. but as i turned off everything i didn't need ... [05:07] w00t, configure didn't complain?! [05:07] intrr@loom:~/downloads/bind-9.2.3 $ make [05:07] *shiver* [05:07] B2382F29: omg, on top of that gentoo! :) [05:07] irvke (~irvken@82-32-5-93.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:08] intrr, well compile of glibc took 2 days (becaus of ram ... constantly swapping ... the HDD-LED was lit for 2-3 days) [05:08] haha [05:09] i hope the HDD itself wasn't lit after that :) [05:09] (because of the new glibc where it is standard to have utf8 for every locale as additional charset) [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [05:10] intrr, it was really fast ... with gentoo you don't have craptastic services starting right away ... [05:10] best thing of course is if you don't ever reboot anyway :) [05:10] opticalman007 (~xchat@ip64-75-156-165.dial.ndunet.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:11] just the compile took awhile ... i couldn't figure out how to use distcc to compile everything on my desktop [05:11] does xbox use special usb keyboard? this is related to running linux on xbox [05:12] opticalman007, i don't think so ... would be stupid to create extra protocol [05:12] opticalman007, but i don't know [05:12] (it is MS, after all...) [05:12] Action: intrr gives up trying to define his own colors for KDE [05:13] intrr, use a magnet next to your CRT ... *bam* instant colors [05:13] B2382F29: heh [05:13] intrr, or better: use gnome [05:14] B2382F29, both xbox and ps2 sell their usb keyboard for 40 bucks, when a regular usb keyboard is not that much [05:14] well, i just found out it's totally pointless to even try to define your own colors. there are always strange incompatibilities where some colors aren't used or not definable, and you suddenly have unreadable text. [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [05:15] opticalman007, can't you test it ... with some borrowed usb-keyboard [05:15] B2382F29, wonder if magnet works with LCD monitor [05:15] especially as soon as you change basic background colors of windows, etc. [05:15] frog (~magdalena@wb2x15.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de) joined #linuxhelp. [05:15] opticalman007, http://www.gameseek.co.uk/productdetail/Xbox83c264pfwxjp9y8j/ [05:16] hi, if i give you an ettercap file , with packets, i have caught during connecting to dhcp server and later, could you help me to obtain the default gateway? [05:16] s/ettercap/ethereal [05:17] opticalman007, it seems it is just a different plug [05:18] B2382F29, hm...maybe it's for the controller port, but i thought the controller port is round. [05:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [05:21] gaga (~gaga@ALille-104-1-1-150.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #linuxhelp. [05:22] hi, there are 2 x 9G HDD in a server, one for /home, one for /, is it possible to add 2 other HDD to do a raid without loosing the data already written on the first 2 HDD? [05:23] Tcl error in script for 'timer1243175': [05:23] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [05:24] gaga, backup [05:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [05:26] B2382F29: sure, but if it "software" possible ? [05:26] i mean to setup the raid only after ? [05:27] gaga: yes [05:27] gaga: please go read the software raid howto on tldp.org [05:27] gaga, you want mirroring or striping? [05:29] linuxfreck (~chris@pD9EB5FF8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [05:29] Skunky: reading it actually :) [05:29] linuxfreck (~chris@pD9EB5FF8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:29] B2382F29: mirroring [05:29] gaga, but you should backup before anyway ... 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[06:00] root@switch:~# ssh 81.196.124.x | Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer [06:00] what could cause that error ? [06:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [06:01] virsys (~virsys@64-40-51-55.ncplus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:03] Trisk[awaay] (~aroha_e@kohatu.meat-pie.ono.quasarnet.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:08] Trisk[awaay] (~aroha_e@kohatu.meat-pie.ono.quasarnet.org) joined #linuxhelp. [06:08] oddbudman (~odd@c210-49-61-240.rochd1.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "Client exiting" [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:10] matt_ (~matt@3ffe:bc0:d0d:1:2c0:f0ff:fe52:d440) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:11] Nick change: Cwiiis[away] -> Cwiiis [06:13] lesshaste (~lesshaste@lesshaste.plus.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:15] odth (~odth@20.a.002.ham.iprimus.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [06:17] dammit3 (whathell@adsl-64-167-236-231.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:19] thoreauputic (~freudulen@wolax9-058.dialup.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [06:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:20] evenin' thoreauputic [06:20] hi amphi [06:21] I am now the proud owner of a 2.6.7 kernel.. only problem being neither sound nor ppp working ;) [06:21] are there any brute force password crackers for https protected pages? [06:21] heheh [06:22] lesshaste: passowrd cracker for https? [06:22] lesshaste: LOL [06:22] I have one of them installed; I haven't done much with it yet [06:22] maroon5 (~maroon5@cm92.omega17.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [06:22] thoreauputic: I can't say I fell in love with alsa at first sight :) [06:23] Action: Trisk[awaay] has been using alsa for 2 years, quite satisfied [06:23] alsa is a bitch :P [06:23] spike: doesn't that make sense? [06:23] amphi: actually it seems my crappy onboard sound isn't supported [06:23] spike: I have a password protected web page and I would like to know if a brute force attack is possible [06:23] UberNoober (Sbhagat@h-67-100-134-150.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:23] hi [06:23] Poeir (~poeir@di121.opencominc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:23] Trisk[awaay]: umm.. why is that funny? [06:24] thoreauputic: by alsa? or no OSS support either? [06:24] lesshaste: a password protected page like with an .htaccess? [06:24] spike: yes [06:24] amphi: no support, period. I've tried before to no avail - though having a new alsa might find it but no luck [06:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:25] spike: if no brute force attack is possible then obviously I don't need to worry about the quality of the password [06:25] thoreauputic: this is a laptop? [06:25] *thought [06:25] lesshaste: hard to do I would say, imho nobody would lose time with a password cracker against an SSL website. it makes more sense using a MITM attack with a proxy [06:25] no, it's a tower (the problem seems to be the cheap Asus motherboard) [06:26] lesshaste: uhm, that's totally a misconcept about security issues [06:26] spike: go on.. [06:27] spike: why is that? The reason we fret about password quality is because people can test 600,000 a second etc. [06:27] thoreauputic: asus make pretty good boards... although onboard stuff is never to be trusted [06:27] lesshaste: SSL doesn't protect u from a brute force attack, if the pwd is 4 chars, like personal name or such a decent app can guess it in few minutes [06:27] amphi: I also have a Lucent winmodem that works fine with 2.4.26 but not 2.6.7 - but that's OK as I have a hardware modem that should work fine [06:27] lesshaste: and how does SSL prevent ppl testing 60000 pwd/sec? [06:28] spike: well. that was really my question? Can you mount a brute force attach on an SSL page like that. [06:28] thoreauputic: I seem to remember seeing something about an ltmodem driver port to 2.6 on the technion.il page [06:28] Trisk[awaay]: yeah - it's just the onboard stuff that's a worry - I'm going to install another soundcard [06:28] spike: You couldn't load the page 600,000 times in a second clearly [06:28] thoreauputic: what's the sound chip that isn't working? [06:28] spike: you can tell I am not an SSL expert [06:29] amphi: I could have compiled a Lucent driver but it involved having kernel headers - a BIG download according to ap-get [06:29] spike: the SSL part is not really the key. it is more the .htaccess I suppose [06:29] lesshaste: it really doesn;t matter in the case of the password itself whether there is SSL or not, SSL is prevent causal sniffing of the password when it's travelling over the network [06:29] *is to [06:29] MetaCosm (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) joined #linuxhelp. [06:29] *casual [06:29] damnit [06:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [06:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:30] Trisk[awaay]: it's a sis7012 on an intel compatible board (the Asus)- there seem to be 7012 drivers for AMD according to the alsa site, but none for intel [06:30] thoreauputic: "The 8.22 series is providing support for the emerging 2.5 -> 2.6 kernels." according to http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/Ltmodem.html [06:30] MetaCosm (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) left irc: Client Quit [06:30] thoreauputic: "for AMD"? how is the CPU related to this...? [06:30] MetaCosm (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) joined #linuxhelp. [06:31] Trisk[awaay]: got you.. So the question is are there any .htaccess brute force crackers out there [06:31] amphi: thanks - I'll have a look [06:31] thoreauputic: just get a kernel.org kernel src :) [06:31] where can I download the latest version of CVS RPM? I searched google and I couldn't find it [06:31] thoreauputic: I don't ever use the debian kernels [06:31] Trisk[awaay]: no idea - I'm not hardware literate [06:32] amphi: do you use kpkg? the debian way of compiling? [06:32] thoreauputic: yeah, very handy indeed [06:32] Kemo| (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [06:33] hey [06:33] does anyone know? [06:33] no [06:33] only the nose knows [06:34] lol [06:34] but seriously, I need too know [06:34] where can I download the latest version of CVS RPM? I searched google and I couldn't find it [06:34] thoreauputic: hm, seems "sis7012" is not a chip name but a card name according to the alsa card list? there's two chips, sis 735 and 740 listed next to it [06:34] UberNoober: redhat.com? guessing [06:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:35] rpmfind.net? [06:35] ok [06:35] I'll try those [06:35] thanks [06:35] Trisk[awaay]: yes, that's where I saw the references to AMD [06:36] thoreauputic: um, which chip do you have? [06:36] UberNoober: beware; redhat doesn't call cvsroot cvsroot for some reason; I forget what they do call it [06:36] ok, thanlks [06:37] Trisk[awaay]: I'm not sure - lspci -v doesn't seem to tell me - any idea how I can find out short of taking a magnifying glass to the hardware? [06:37] thoreauputic: lspci just reports sis 7012? [06:37] frog (~magdalena@wb2x15.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:38] Trisk[awaay]: no, it reports 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) [06:38] UberNoober: anoncvs@sources.redhat.com:/cvs/rpm perhaps [06:38] oh [06:39] Trisk[awaay]: dmesg finds a sis7012 [06:39] lesshaste: sry, got a phonecall, reading the logs [06:39] driver or whatever [06:39] thoreauputic: that would mean the driver loaded, probably [06:39] Kemo| (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:39] lesshaste: well, Trisk[awaay] already pointed it out: it really doesn;t matter in the case of the password itself whether there is SSL or not [06:39] the alsa site lists intel8x0 as the driver for both chips, so it's really an i810 chip I guess [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:40] Trisk[awaay]: yes, there's a missing link somewhere: it can't find a "plug in" - esd *does* make a sound, albeit brief [06:41] Tcl error in script for 'timer1245347': [06:41] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [06:41] lesshaste: the statement about loading the page 60000 in a sec is abused: actually strong cryptographic slows down the attempts, but it's just a matter of few minutes more [06:41] thoreauputic: you have alsa-lib installed? [06:41] lesshaste: so u still *strongly* want *strong* password [06:41] Kemo| (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [06:42] +s [06:42] Trisk[awaay]: is it possible it's using the wrong IRQ or IO or something (I'm only just starting to understand most of this) - [06:43] thoreauputic: unlikely in these days of PCI [06:44] spike: thx. Also I found wwwhack [06:44] spike: strong passwords it is [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:45] Trisk[awaay]: alsaconf appears to succeed, but thenwhen I try to run alsamixer it complains "no such device" [06:45] lesshaste: if u care about web security u really want to have a look at http://www.owasp.org/ [06:45] lesshaste: their work on that subject is really precious [06:46] spike: ok thx [06:46] thoreauputic: look at /proc/asound/cards [06:46] Trisk[awaay]: btw you're right that the driver is intel8x0 [06:46] ok looking now [06:47] lesshaste: also, securityfocus's web-sec ML is a great resources for web security, and some of the "smart ppl" of owasp post there [06:47] output of cat /proc/asound/cards: --- no soundcards --- [06:47] it can't find it :( [06:49] spike: that's where I found the wwwhack link from. thx again [06:49] Trisk[awaay]: however, I'm currently running my 2.4.26 kernel, so I'll try that with the newer one later [06:49] lesshaste: u're welcome [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:50] lesshaste (~lesshaste@lesshaste.plus.com) left irc: "Client Exiting" [06:51] thoreauputic: the driver's module may have been unloaded, try modprobe'ing it.. [06:51] Trisk[awaay]: ok - thanks for the help [06:52] Trisk[awaay]: I think I need to try it again with 2.6.7 - I have the latest alsa stuff from Debian unstable [06:52] k [06:53] trask (~trask@81.19.234.132) joined #linuxhelp. [06:53] trask (~trask@81.19.234.132) left #linuxhelp. [06:54] apparently according to Debian I need to remove all trace of OSS from memory and boot time [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [06:55] (for the 2.6 kernels anyway) [06:57] thoreauputic: oss is viral? :) [06:58] amphi: hehe... apparently ;) [06:58] amphi: another ambiguous acronym :) [06:59] yeah, TLAs are in short supply [06:59] can i apt-get opera like others? [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:00] maroon5: you can, from non-free sources, but it will want to download shitloads of stuff (what's wrong with moz/firefox?) [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:01] you probably can't actually, unless you know fo a specific apt site for it [07:01] but they do have debs you can download [07:01] that are fairly straightforward [07:01] the opera site has a static deb you can download by itself [07:01] _darren (~asifim@spc1-bagu3-5-0-cust36.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:01] icognito, newbie here? can u instruct me? [07:01] icognito, yea, frm the opera website [07:02] maroon5: just use the static deb - it works fine [07:02] http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linux [07:02] thoreauputic: opera only needs qt anyway [07:02] more instruction needed? ;) [07:02] you want the deb qt static [07:04] whats the difference bet static... and the other one? [07:04] dependencies maybe? [07:04] maroon5: the static deb supplies the dependencies/libraries [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:05] that' s why it's a bigger download [07:05] static linked one has qt built in, which also means you'll lose the ability to apply qt/kde themes/styles [07:05] ermm. so its just the appearance, nothing more? [07:06] maroon5: fonts are kind of ugly and need some tweaking [07:06] it may also use slightly more mem.. [07:06] I used to like Opera but firefox and galeon supply all my needs now [07:07] if you have qt installed already you don't need it (an d that's the only lib opera needs aside from standard X stuff) [07:07] xbeanx (~gbaker@chandra.housing.mun.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [07:08] but in terms of speed, opera eats firefoc and the rest, coesnt it? [07:08] maroon5: not that I can see [07:09] opera renders fast, but speed isn't usually an issue with mozilla spawn either.. [07:09] hmm.. so firefox is mozilla lite rite? [07:09] not really, codebase was the same size last I checked [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:11] Kemo^ (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [07:11] maroon5: if you want "lite" , apt-get install dillo (but don't expect frames, javascript etc to work ) [07:11] Kemo| (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:12] thoreauputic, yea, i used dillo, it s not for me [07:12] :( [07:12] links supports javascript to a degree, and has X support as well, but it's weird [07:13] maroon5: w3m is nice :) [07:14] Kemo^ (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:14] amphi, never heard of it, its a browser? [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:15] maroon5: apt-cache show w3m ;) [07:16] Action: Trisk[awaay] hugs konq [07:16] maroon5: yes; console, does tables quite nicely [07:16] maroon5: I use it almost exclusively [07:16] phar (phar@81.10.23.46) joined #linuxhelp. [07:17] hi , i have a net cafe all pc's are windows , but i want to make the server running linux , i heared that it gives more control , how ? [07:18] phar : uhmm, it's easier to lock down linux. [07:18] lock down ? [07:18] yes, lock down. [07:18] phar, what do you want the server to do? [07:18] phar : however, you should speak with the people who told you about linux. [07:19] B2382F29 , i want to distribute the net with good effeciency [07:19] [Kemo] (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [07:19] for fileserver check: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/ [07:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:20] no not filesharing [07:20] B2382F29 : looks like he wants cbq [07:20] Action: UberNoober likes big boobies [07:21] http://www.linuxnetworksolutions.net/icafesolutions.html [07:21] what is cbq ,ananke? [07:21] ok , let me check it [07:21] Action: UberNoober Know's Phar's secret [07:22] phar : it's a way of splitting a set amount of bandwith in a specific way between clients. [07:22] Action: UberNoober know's that Phar likes big Men Boobies [07:22] =P [07:22] UberNoober : i suggest #kiddies. on dalnet. [07:22] [Kemo] (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) left irc: Client Quit [07:23] phar: you might be interested in squid as well (proxy) [07:23] lol, shut up man, can't take a joke [07:23] ? [07:23] Norgathaal (~dsl@d8-200.rb.gh.centurytel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:23] UberNoober : not an idiotic one, no. [07:23] [Kemo] (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [07:23] how do you check what kernel you have currently running in the console? [07:23] Phssh, okay [07:23] Norgathaal: uname -r [07:23] phar : yeah, definitely consider squid [07:23] ok thanks [07:23] Norgathaal (~dsl@d8-200.rb.gh.centurytel.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:25] boobies ? [07:25] UberNoober (Sbhagat@h-67-100-134-150.phlapafg.covad.net) left #linuxhelp. [07:26] UberNoober (Sbhagat@h-67-100-134-150.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:26] hi [07:26] UberNoober (Sbhagat@h-67-100-134-150.phlapafg.covad.net) left #linuxhelp. [07:26] OSTRICHbrain (Sbhagat@h-67-100-134-150.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:27] has anyone used entrance and do you like it [07:27] drelle (~drelle@12-214-233-146.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:27] im kinda wary of login managers [07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [07:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:30] drelle (~drelle@12-214-233-146.client.mchsi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:30] does anyone have a short and conscise guide on setting up a slave nameserver on bind 9? [07:31] intrr: I think on http://tldp.org is a good documantation. [07:31] s/man/men/ [07:31] how short and concise yo dou need? [07:32] trash: let me see. [07:32] intrr: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.6 [07:33] if it helps. [07:33] trash: thanks for searching! [07:33] Action: spike pokes trash [07:33] i've already found it, though :) [07:33] Action: intrr pokes spike [07:33] Action: trash falls down. [07:33] is there here any chan for networks in linux [07:33] trash: I'm running out of nurses... oh, get up ;) [07:34] I can't :/ [07:34] phar: you've already in it [07:34] Action: intrr managed to compile bind 9.2.3 on a 1999 box! [07:34] phar: you need to formulate specific questions. [07:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:35] d31 (~d31@CPE-144-136-85-2.nsw.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [07:35] intrr: why should be there any barrier on a 1999 box? :) [07:35] trash: oh, i wouldn't try to compile kde3 there ;-) [07:35] trash: i meant, it compiled WITHOUT any dependancy problem :) [07:35] time isn't an argument :) [07:36] intrr: get a decent distribution and that's no problem. :) [07:36] ok [07:36] Blade_Run (1000@213.130.106.90) joined #linuxhelp. [07:37] trash: i wouldn't call suse 6.1 decent :) [07:37] hope it was a typo... [07:37] 6 is far away from 9 thought [07:37] spike: heh [07:37] suse is far away from decent :P [07:37] phar: for windows/linux networks, there is a channel #smaba [07:38] oops #samba [07:38] spike: no typo at all. it started with suse 6.1. obviously, a lot changed till today on the box :) [07:38] i'm not able to record with k3b as a user but i can as root, in fact it sees all my recording drives as root but only one as a user, i tried usinf k3bsetup but it never comes up after typing password or as root it never comes up either [07:38] mizery (mizery@24.164.226.23) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:39] i will formulate my q again : I have a cyber and I have a dsl line 256 , I think Linux is powerful more win to handle the line and enable me to control distributing the line between clients , ... doesw squid server is my aim ? [07:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:40] no [07:40] Action: spike grins @ trash [07:40] phar : squid is a web proxy [07:40] spike , so / [07:40] google: lartc [07:40] lartc: http://lartc.org/ [07:40] phar: follow that link [07:40] ok thanks [07:40] phar : so it's only one of the things you need [07:43] Dr_Willis (~willis@12-222-124-154.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:45] if i only knew what a cyber is... [07:46] cybercafe' [07:46] oh! [07:47] what ? [07:47] net cafe i meant [07:47] cyber cafe, net cafe, same crap. [07:48] well, no, cyber is cool, net isn't [07:48] :P [07:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:50] Blade_Run: make your cdrecord and cdrdao setuid root [07:51] Blade_Run: check that your user is in the cdrom or cd burning group (this stuff varies with distro though) [07:52] Sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-334f73d5.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [07:52] Sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-334f73d5.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:53] Trisk[awaay], i don't know how to setuid root [07:54] Blade_Run: man chmod [07:54] chmod +s file [07:54] i did that [07:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/9 e/- I/-] [07:55] eryco (~eryco@68.189.218.62.ts46v-11.otne1.ftwrth.tx.charter.com) left #linuxhelp. [07:55] it still says cdrecord has no permission to open the device [07:55] Blade_Run: is your user a member of the group ? what does ls -l `which cdrecord` return? [07:56] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 279324 2003-08-17 18:38 /usr/bin/cdrecord* [07:56] dabicho (~davidgn@host-034.166.ife.org.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [07:56] Blade_Run: it's not SUID [07:56] you didn't chmod it [07:56] Blade_Run : uhmm, then you didn't run chmod +s /usr/bin/cdrecord [07:56] Trisk[awaay], yeah [07:56] Blade_Run: no suid bit there [07:57] i did this. nope, you didn't. yeah. wtf? [07:57] ok it changed it now, wonder what i did wrong he first time? [07:57] mycroftxxx (~foo@dsl017-066-091.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:57] depends on what you did the first time [07:58] anake why are you so up tight? [07:58] 'ananke' [07:58] i'm not uptight. why are you so dumb? [07:58] heeehh [07:58] why do you have to insult peole? [07:59] Blade_Run : you're the first one who started insulting [07:59] i figured i'll play along [07:59] ok let's just forget it then [07:59] Hey... Does anyone know of a network utility that will allow me to specify a network load percentage? I want to stress test my network and want to be able to say "fill the network with 20% utilization", or something like that. [07:59] sorry to have insulted you [07:59] Blade_Run: is your user a member of the bin group? [08:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:00] Writing user file... [08:00] Writing channel file... [08:00] trash: see, u're not alone ;) [08:00] spike: :P [08:00] Trisk[awaay], yeah my burner is working now thanks and thanks thoreauputic [08:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [08:01] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-334f73d5.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [08:01] anyway, I'm off to get a train, later all [08:01] Blade_Run: well, thank ananke and amphi ;) [08:01] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-334f73d5.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Client Quit [08:02] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-334f73d5.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [08:02] spike (~spike@spike.registered) left irc: "l8r" [08:02] Action: OSTRICHbrain likes kung fu fighting [08:03] Action: Trisk[awaay] hums [08:04] thoreauputic, i have one more issue maybe you can help me with it, i can't record wav as a user but i recorded the same wavs as root [08:04] hehe... also Trisk[awaay], of course [08:04] he thanked me already =P [08:04] Blade_Run: are you in the audio group? [08:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:05] thoreauputic, damn another group [08:05] distro usually would've taken care of that... [08:05] Blade_Run: to find out your groups, type groups [08:06] thoreauputic, no i wasn't [08:07] so add yourself to the groups you need: less /etc/groups to see [08:07] phar (phar@81.10.23.46) left #linuxhelp. [08:07] sorry /etc/group [08:08] [Kemo] (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) left irc: [08:08] or vi /etc/group or kedit /etc/group or [08:08] thoreauputic, i think i know the problem i need to set the bit for cdrdao [08:09] Blade_Run: yes, you do - should be the same as cdrecord [08:09] thoreauputic, yup it worked thanks [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:11] keter (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:12] Yikes - In KDE, I use the Run Program menu item to start a program. I want to run it as root, so I tell it to. However, an error pops up saying, "the user root does not exist on this system" [08:13] pmcdonnell: umm.... a little unlikely, to say the least [08:13] kdesu is probably malfunctioning... [08:14] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-8-82-254-217-105.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:14] gnah [08:14] fortran sucks [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:15] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-5-82-64-208-14.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:16] Celestar: heh [08:16] seba (~horizote@host027090.arnet.net.ar) joined #linuxhelp. [08:16] hello [08:17] it's the most idiotic language I have seen : [08:17] :P [08:17] I have a questions about linux? [08:17] I have a questions about linux [08:17] I need help [08:17] hello [08:17] seba: just ask :) [08:17] no need to get permission to ask ;) [08:18] seba: we gather, so far, you have a question about linux [08:18] I want to write a file, that is in a ghost mode [08:19] spooky [08:19] how, i have to convert the file in a write mode [08:19] ? [08:19] what do you mean ghost/write mode? [08:19] ghost mode?? [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:20] protect mode [08:20] protect about write [08:20] chmod a-w [08:20] seba: you mean you don't have write acces to the file? [08:20] yes [08:20] Norgathaal (~dsl@d8-200.rb.gh.centurytel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:20] seba, how do you expect to write? [08:21] ruggy (~ruggy@qwest-ftth-clcy-pppoe-ip6.scinternet.net) left irc: Operation timed out [08:21] and, the directory is protect too [08:21] B2382F29: I think that should be a + [08:21] hey im trying to install my kernel sources on a Debian Based Linux, and im having some troubles understanding the tutorial [08:21] a+w [08:21] 1. you are not owner of file/directory? 2. you have no write permissions... ? [08:21] are you owner ? or root? [08:21] ok, thanks [08:21] seba (~horizote@host027090.arnet.net.ar) left #linuxhelp. [08:22] thoreauputic, i translated his "ghost-mode" [08:22] seba: don't mess with the permissions unless you understand them [08:22] seba, most of the time there is a good reason for them [08:22] he's not here [08:23] maybe he will hear it in "ghost mode" [08:23] ^_^ [08:23] xp__ (~anonymous@w01.proxy.fedex.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:23] his whole system is now probably world writable :P [08:23] how do I grep for tab on a file? [08:23] grep \t ? [08:24] hmm... no [08:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:25] Big_Bozz (~Big_Bozz@user-5910.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:25] y'ello people - need a bit of help. Is there an easy way to restrict a user logging into a server using SSH to just two directories? [08:25] aedigital (~aedigital@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [08:26] Big_Bozz (~Big_Bozz@user-5910.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:26] hmm ... [08:26] maybe chroot... [08:27] err [08:27] use a restricted shell [08:27] Big_Bozz (~Big_Bozz@user-5910.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:27] has anyone ever tried to install Nvidia Drivers on Damn Small Linux? [08:28] grep "$(echo -n -e "\t")" [08:28] xp__: grep "$(echo -n -e "\t")" [08:28] xp__: grep "$(echo -n -e "\t")" filename [08:29] hehe what is small linux [08:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [08:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:30] odth (~odth@20.a.002.ham.iprimus.net.au) left irc: ""do not ride the bomb"" [08:31] ruggy (~ruggy@qwest-ftth-clcy-pppoe-ip14.scinternet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:31] its a linux that is debian Based [08:31] umm its only 50mbs [08:31] its awsome [08:31] but [08:31] i dont know how to compile kernel-source for Debian [08:31] i want my Nvidia drivers installed [08:32] rockabillyjon (~rockabill@adsl-68-78-114-60.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:32] Watha (~bray@198.115.73.98) joined #linuxhelp. [08:32] Norgathaal: ask the debian bot about nvidia [08:33] Tcl error in script for 'timer1247736': [08:33] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [08:33] question: i have a 128mb ATI radeon 9700 vid card, why does tux racer run soo slow and choppy? like 5fps! [08:33] whats the Debian bot? [08:33] Norgathaal: you can't really - DSL uses a different X server [08:33] sed '/\t/p' [08:33] you need your 3d graphics drivers installed Rock [08:33] Norgathaal: the kernel doesn't care about the distribution. [08:34] you can compile in the standard way. [08:34] Big_Bozz (~Big_Bozz@user-5910.l1.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) left #linuxhelp ("I'm outta here"). [08:34] well it looks the same as if it was Knoppix [08:34] when i installed redhat 9, it knew what card i had, and it shows up in the hardware browser, i figured that meant that it was installed [08:34] but, it's better to apt-get install kernel-package, get your kernel configured, then run make-kpkg kernel-image [08:34] you have to go to the ATI webpage [08:34] rockabillyjon: you have to download the drivers from ati's web site.. [08:34] what's that linux where everything is like "traceroute -> kernel" "ls -> kernel" etc [08:34] you'll get a kernel-image-blah_arch.deb [08:34] and get the 3d drivers [08:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:35] it did a apt-get for my kernel image [08:35] then you can install nvidia's drivers with the straight NVidia...blah.run [08:35] Norgathaal, bougyman, the issue isn't the kernel, it's the DSL x setup [08:35] my version didn't show up [08:35] Norgathaal: that won't do it. [08:36] it told me to go and get the .deb package [08:36] then [08:36] dpkg -i it [08:36] then [08:36] go into /usr/src [08:36] cd /usr/src && wget ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.7.tar.bz2 && tar jxv linux-2.6.7.tar.bz2 && cd linux-2.6.7 && make menuconfig && make-kpkg kernel-image && cd /usr/src && dpkg -i kernel-image_blah_arch.deb [08:36] then extract it [08:36] krunk-|work (~krunk@c66-135-12-82.cust.broadbandip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:37] how do I not output error when using find? [08:37] agenteo_ (~agenteo@ppp-82-84-147-161.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined #linuxhelp. [08:37] Faithful1 (~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [08:37] aedigital (~aedigital@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined #linuxhelp. [08:38] krunk-|work: what shell? [08:38] Kemo| (Kemo_@62.61.154.137.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:38] bash [08:38] hi, I've got this error unable to open64("/dev/scd0",O_RDONLY): No such device or address when I give growisofs -V "backup" -Z /dev/scd0 -R -J /home/ [08:38] irvke (~irvken@82-32-5-93.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:38] i think &1 or &2 is the stderr [08:38] just > /dev/null [08:38] do I have to find &2>/dev/null [08:39] ya something like that [08:39] I figured there was a switch [08:39] t35t0r: that would directa all output to null [08:39] try &1 ? [08:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:40] phobox (~phobie@pD95D3C60.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:40] both &1 and &2 still outputs the errors [08:40] agenteo_: wrong device there? [08:41] Faithful1 (~faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [08:41] in lilo i've appended hdd=ide-scsi [08:41] Faithful (~Faithful@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:42] agenteo_: is this a 2.6 kernel? [08:42] Action: pmcdonnell wonders why he installed Debian over Gentoo on the production servers... [08:42] Trisk[awaay]: scd0 should be the right one, by the way I can't see the device even from cdrecord -scanbus [08:42] pmcdonnell: hahha [08:42] kernel is 2.4.26 [08:42] when i do updatedb. it gives me all these options, instead of it normally doing updatedb [08:42] well it really doesn't matter [08:42] script.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 [08:42] odth (~odth@20.a.002.ham.iprimus.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [08:42] debian stable [08:43] agenteo_: ok - uname -r? is it an old kernel or a bf? [08:43] find doesnt output errors by default [08:43] heh [08:43] t35t0r, no -- debian works great, when it works. It can just be kind of frustrating sometimes... [08:43] t35t0r: are you not running woody? [08:43] thoreauputic: uname -r gives 2.4.26 [08:44] er pmcdonnell [08:44] i've downloaded the sources of it [08:44] bougyman, sarge [08:44] and created with make-kpkg [08:44] >/dev/null redirects stdout to /dev/null ... 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout, which is redirected to /dev/null [08:44] agenteo_: hmmm..yeah well that's ok then is your device actually hdd ? or maybe hdc? [08:44] in which case youll get no output [08:44] pmcdonnell: that's not really supposed to be in production yet. [08:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:45] thus the 'testing' moniker [08:45] bougyman, I know that, but I like something with fairly recent software packages [08:45] thoreauputic: no I'm pretty sure it's the secondary slave... [08:45] like a 2.4 kernel [08:45] krunk-|work (~krunk@c66-135-12-82.cust.broadbandip.net) left #linuxhelp. [08:45] fine, screw apt-proxy and debmirror [08:45] pmcdonnell: then debian is indeed the wrong distribution for the case. [08:45] agenteo_: hmmm... running out of ideas here [08:45] I remember it was working... now I've stopped thoose tests for about a week and that's it... [08:46] hlen (~heinloft@200141125178.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [08:46] regeya (~toor@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:46] &>/dev/null will do the same thing as >/dev/null 2>&1 [08:46] bougyman, unless I use sarge, which, for the most part, has proven stable and recent enough [08:46] agenteo_: maybe check the symlinks to see where scd0 is pointing etc [08:47] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.40.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:47] it will be 'stable' soon, pmcdonnell, but right before the freeze (now) is when sarge will be at its most unstable. [08:47] people rushing to get last minute stuff in. [08:48] agenteo_: ls -l /dev/scd0 ? [08:48] nedz (~nedz@cc3-24.217.196.87.charter-stl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:48] when is it supposed to be frozen? [08:48] any day now. [08:49] then it won't get anything new for 1-2 years. [08:49] pmcdonnell: RSN :) [08:49] pmcdonnell: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1131 [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:50] Teakk (jason@CPE-24-94-253-28.wi.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:50] that's how debian works, it won't call software stable until it's been around long enough to prove actual stability, which is why you don't fine new software being shoehorned in to a debian release, only critical security updates or bugs get pushed into debian software in the stable branch. [08:50] thoreauputic: looks like it's a block device [08:51] version numbers of software generally do not change, they just patch the holes and leave the version number the same, so a production environment doesn't have flakiness with version changes/upgrades. [08:51] thoreauputic: I've got confermation that the dvd writer is on hdd [08:51] odth (~odth@20.a.002.ham.iprimus.net.au) left irc: ""do not ride the bomb"" [08:51] Norgathaal (~dsl@d8-200.rb.gh.centurytel.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [08:52] rockabillyjon (~rockabill@adsl-68-78-114-60.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [08:54] Tcl error in script for 'timer1251164': [08:54] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [08:54] LinusGates (LinusTest@d235-191-182.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/9 e/- I/-] [08:55] MarkT (~Mark@markt.registered) joined #linuxhelp. [08:56] when do you think slackware 10.1 will be released, 11/04? [08:57] hackmiker (~misu@ppp-159-95.dialup.pcnet.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [08:59] thoreauputic: I've found the problem [08:59] agenteo_: ah - what is it? [09:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] thoreauputic: after hdd=ide-scsi I'was appending to the kernel apm=off thoose two were separated by a comma [09:00] agney (~dot@200216127081.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [09:00] thoreauputic: removing the comma and the apm (i doesn't need it) cdrecord -scanbus and all the groisofs works [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] thoreauputic: I think I've read that to append two parameters, thoose needs to be separated by a comma... isn't it? [09:02] agenteo_: no commas ! very pedantic... mine are just separated with spaces and the append line is in quotes [09:03] in /etc/lilo.conf anyway [09:03] thoreauputic: yes [09:03] thoreauputic: now I will do that too... [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:05] Cwiiis (~chris@82-43-43-168.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] thoreauputic: thanks :-) [09:06] hackmiker (~misu@ppp-159-95.dialup.pcnet.ro) left irc: ":p" [09:06] agenteo_: np - hope all is now well :) [09:07] daniel_ (daniel@daniel.cloaked) joined #linuxhelp. [09:07] bintut (~bintut@202.8.246.186) joined #linuxhelp. [09:07] what is your most recommended wireless PCI NIC for linux specifically mandrake 10.0 official? [09:08] bintut, done any research on the topic? [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:10] what about? [09:11] bintut, pci nic's for linux [09:11] bintut: prism54 ones. [09:11] bintut wireless pci nic's [09:11] Markrian (~Markrian@82-68-11-181.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:12] trash, prism54 gets top ratings, mostly [09:13] now I'm tring to make a bash script, I'd like to create the DVD label with the current date. In the script I've got a variabile DATE=date +%d%m%Y but when I echo it's empty [09:13] newbien: what do you want from me? [09:14] bintut, the kernel modules for wireless pci nic;s may already be in your distro, somewhere in the kernel dir [09:14] DATE=$(blah) [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:15] trash, best of the bunch pick's only ;) [09:15] alcatraz root # DATE="date +%d%m%Y" [09:15] alcatraz root # echo $DATE [09:15] date +%d%m%Y [09:15] ok [09:15] alcatraz root # DATE=$(date +%d%m%Y) [09:15] alcatraz root # echo $DATE [09:16] 03082004 [09:16] agenteo_ $DATE=`date +%d%m%Y` [09:16] x1bncwn: yes the $(stuff)think it's a hit! Thanks [09:16] `` also works [09:16] guys, my last question for this wireless PCI NICs. prism54 vs. atheros vs. orinoco chipsets for linux? [09:16] but doesnt allow you to nest other crap in it [09:16] bintut: I still recommend prism54 cards. [09:17] what's this atheros super g [09:17] DATE=$(echo Today is $(date +%d%m%Y)) [09:17] trash: any recommended brand and model for me? [09:17] i think my dlink has an atheros [09:19] x1bncwn, you can nest `` too, it just isn't that pretty then :) [09:19] sekhmet (~pez@adsl-68-78-235-30.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:19] bintut /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/Wireless-HOWTO [09:19] Hello all. [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:20] scope006 (~scope006@68-250-159-126.ded.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:20] newbien: i don't have it. maybe i need to visit tldp.org? [09:20] I've got a question - I'm running leafnode and I read news via tin. Most of the groups I read work without problems, but just one group refuses to show any new articles as "new." [09:20] nedz (~nedz@cc3-24.217.196.87.charter-stl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:20] OSTRICHbrain (Sbhagat@h-67-100-134-150.phlapafg.covad.net) left #linuxhelp. [09:20] I still get new articles on the group, they're just not marked as being not-read yet. I don't *think* it's a leafnode problem, because I was looking around in there and I couldn't find anything that looked like a "read this article" status (which makes sense) [09:21] But I've also grepped through my whole .tin directory to find mention of the newsgroup anywhere to see if there's some setting I accidentally hit on the group, to no avail. [09:21] Anyone else run into that? [09:22] phobox (~phobie@pD95D3C60.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:22] DoM (DoM@dom.lan.micso.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:22] create another user and setup tin [09:22] then subscribe to that news [09:23] see if you have the same problem [09:23] Or you can always do the same thing by deleting the .tin dir [09:23] but then you lose your settings [09:23] Ah, gah, of course, as soon as I ask the question, I figure out what the problem is. [09:23] I remembered about the .newsrc file, went in there... [09:23] bintut /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/Hardware-HOWTO [09:24] ... looks like I had used Tin to talk directly to the news server originally before I had leafnode set up, so in .newsrc it had marked down that I had read articles 1-13000some. [09:24] When leafnode only has a few thousand articles. [09:24] Thanks, though, scope006. :) [09:24] sekhmet: np [09:24] ;) [09:24] sekhmet: are you good with hardware setup [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:25] broad question i know [09:25] newbien: i can't find a wireless howto at tldp.org. :( [09:25] I have a black belt in hardware setup. [09:25] lol [09:25] daniel (daniel@daniel.cloaked) left irc: Client Quit [09:25] I have dvd-rom and cd-rw on ide1 [09:25] 2 hds on ide 0 [09:25] bintut, net search for linuxquestions or linux wireless [09:26] bintut: http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php [09:26] they are set correctly as master and slave all that nonsense [09:26] newbien: i found it already in tldp.org site. thanks. :) [09:26] trash: thanks. :) [09:26] bintut, ta da ;) [09:26] However out of the blue, i put in a cd and it does not read it [09:26] in windows or linux [09:27] if I doubleclick the drive in winblows it freezes the system [09:27] if I do it in linux it freezes up too [09:27] scope006: Did you try using Cable Select instead of hard-wiring it? Make sure that pin 1 lines up properly with the red stripe? Are you using overlong or rounded cables? Have you ruled out actual hardware failure? [09:27] LinusGates (LinusTest@d235-191-182.home1.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[09:41] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-60-195.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:41] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [09:43] hm, I need a sed/perl expression to replace all occurrences of a single char with another, but only those before a certain other char on a line [09:43] regeya (~toor@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:43] Action: bintut waves to all.. good night guys.. thanks.. later.. :) [09:44] Trisk[awaay]: hmm, example? [09:44] bintut (~bintut@202.8.246.186) left irc: "Leaving" [09:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:45] 121:111 -> 020:111 [09:46] (: being the delimiter here..) [09:46] s/a\(.\)/b\1/ ? [09:47] i just set up a php/mysql resource booking system and i get the following error on the web page when creating a new resource(i assume this is just modifying the DB):http://www.pastebin.com/88716 I know that the error is due to permissions, but I don't know where, or who. [09:48] dabicho: um, the char to replace can occur a random number of times, and also occurs after the delimiter (those must not be touched) [09:49] Trisk sed '/look for these 2 letters/s/replace this letter/with this/' [09:49] add a g :-P [09:49] franl (~Francis@63.70.3.143) joined #linuxhelp. [09:49] livebrain (1000@a213-22-158-239.netcabo.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [09:49] and it would be 2 rules then [09:49] su-|lappy (~root@pcp03415506pcs.kilng01.ct.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:50] livebrain (1000@a213-22-158-239.netcabo.pt) left #linuxhelp. [09:51] see if this does the trick sed -e 's/a\(:\)/b\1/g; s/\(:\)a/b\1/g;' [09:51] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-189-047.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:51] well, except the second command, \1 should be before b ^^ [09:51] tangent3 (tangent@cm201.sigma71.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [09:52] frog_ (~magdalena@wb2x15.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de) joined #linuxhelp. [09:52] ah, I think I got it... [09:52] Trisk[awaay]: or s/[0-9][^:][0-9]/newnumber/ [09:53] billy (~billy@82-32-10-246.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:53] keter (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:53] how could i remove everything , that ends with BAD? rm *BAD doesnt acheave the goal [09:54] Tcl error in script for 'timer1251808': [09:54] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [09:54] frog_: *BAD should work [09:54] trash: I just used the number as an example, it's just a single char though, and I don't want to replace it if it's after ":" in the line [09:54] Trisk[awaay]: its tricky... [09:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/9 e/- I/-] [09:55] boerst (~boerst@pD9EA580E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [09:55] frog_: you sure it isn't .BAD or something of the kind ? (I mean is BAD a file suffix like .BAD) [09:55] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-046-228.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:56] UQlev (~yuriy@194.30.147.40) joined #linuxhelp. [09:56] maybe I'll just do %s/a\(.*:\)/b\1/ repeatedly, heh [09:56] ite makes no diference - it should work for both, doesnt it? rm *.BAD doesnt work neither [09:56] thoreauputic^^ [09:57] frog_: does `ls *.BAD" work? [09:57] frog_: yes, shouldn't matter actually - you're right Does ls *BAD work? [09:57] s/"/`/ [09:57] frog_ what distro? do you have permissions in that dir or files, they may be roots files [09:58] dotfiles are also not matched with *BAD, so rm .*BAD too [09:58] Pkunk (~Pkunkage@202.88.154.180) joined #linuxhelp. [09:59] newbien: suse 8.2, got rw permission [09:59] newbien: k i need x dont i? [09:59] sec [09:59] have you tried ls? ^^^ [10:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:00] thoreauputic: sry, yep, doesnt work neither [10:00] k [10:00] Pkunk (~Pkunkage@202.88.154.180) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:00] frog_: what shell? And there are *BAD-files? [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:01] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-60-195.aei.ca) left irc: No route to host [10:02] trash: bash... i think... mm how could i check what shell do i use? [10:02] frog_: echo $SHELL [10:02] trash: yep its bash [10:02] then there aren't such files. :) [10:02] im at a dead end, can anyone help? [10:03] i just set up a php/mysql resource booking system and i get the following error on the web page when creating a new resource(i assume this is just modifying the DB):http://www.pastebin.com/88716 I know that the error is due to permissions, but I don't know where, or who. [10:03] psy: engage reverse? [10:03] is there an environement variable which can be set to make configure add another -I to gcc params? [10:03] argh! *d'oh* CFLAGS [10:03] :) [10:03] oops the question followed.. sorry [10:03] no big deal [10:03] trash : mm, but how could i delete everything , that ends with BAD? [10:03] frog_: rm *BAD. [10:04] psy: whatever user apache runs as needs to have write permissions on /var/log [10:04] actually i think it is just trying to create files and cannot [10:04] trash: but [as i said ] it doesnt work [10:04] psy: maybe you can manually create the /var/log/phpscheduleitlog.txt and change its owner to the apache user.. that's the safer way [10:04] then there aren't such files. :) [10:04] how can i find out what user apache runs as? [10:04] frog_: and you're *sure* these files exist? [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:05] psy: ps aux | grep http [10:05] the first field is the user [10:05] there are many [whiole doing ls i see many] [10:05] ok [10:06] frog_: paste it at rafb.net/paste or something [10:06] Action: Trisk[awaay] applies s/(^[^:]*)a([^:]*:)/1b2/ repeatedly XD [10:06] its one line of many , that show la: rw-r--r-- 1 magda users 4078636 2004-07-10 03:26 front 242, rammstein & laibach - headhunter (live).mp3.ff86309.BAD [10:06] er s/\(^[^:]*\)a\([^:]*:\)/\1b\2/ [10:06] hmm [10:06] Trisk[awaay]: heheh, fun [10:06] ok i got a few results using ps aux | grep http [10:06] frog_: what does echo *.BAD say? [10:07] trash: listed many files as well [10:07] frog_: I just tried this: touch testBAD test.BAD the ls *BAD showed both [10:07] Trisk[awaay]: but i don't get it... matching all non-colons, delimited by an 'a'? shouldn't it be something along the lines of all non-colons delimited by a colon? :) [10:07] frog_: then use rm "`echo *.BAD`" [10:07] ill brb, users are calling [10:08] doesnt work [10:08] trash^^ [10:08] the error says : argument too long [10:08] frog_: try my little experiment above and see if ls works on it [10:08] frog_: then try rm -- "`echo *.BAD`" [10:09] nedz (~nedz@cc3-24.217.196.87.charter-stl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:09] or move the .BAD files into a dir and delete this dir. [10:09] thoreauputic: touch testBAD test.BAD shows nothing [10:09] frog_: TheBonsai trash: It doesn't work because the number of files given on the command line is too long [10:09] linuxfreck: I know... that's what "argument too long" say. [10:09] and xargs is designed to sort of handle just such a case I belive [10:09] frog_: of course it doesn't until you try to list the files just created [10:09] choices are find -exec or xargs or ls | while read ... now [10:09] back [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:10] linuxfreck: aha [10:10] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit [10:10] ok i did ps aux | grep http but there were 4 results [10:10] so what's the user? [10:11] well theres 4 and they have different users [10:11] green-earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:11] 2 are root and the others are wwwrun [10:11] could i limit it? [10:11] psy: paste one line from root and one from wwwrun? [10:12] just to make sure [10:12] frog_: use find. [10:12] root 4655 0.0 2.1 93320 10840 ? S Aug02 0:00 /usr/sbin/httpd -f /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [10:12] wwwrun 4658 0.0 2.6 95232 13456 ? S Aug02 0:01 /usr/sbin/httpd -f /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [10:13] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.40.stowetel.com) left irc: "bye" [10:13] frog_: find . -name \*.BAD -maxdepth 1 -exec rm '{}' \; should work [10:13] psy: interesting... well, it's most likely wwwrun. try that one. [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:15] here ill paste the whole output to pastebin. theres 2 wwwrun and 2 root [10:15] linuxfreck:_ same error [10:15] http://www.pastebin.com/88720 [10:16] psy: use wwwrun [10:16] iratsu (~iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:17] amrit: I was replacing an a before the first colon in a line with b, basically (had to repeat it to replace all occurrences of a) [10:18] Trisk[awaay]: ah, gotcha [10:18] amrit: do you think that will get rid of both warnings? [10:18] iratsu (~iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [10:19] psy: no, the 2nd seems to be something different [10:19] damn. [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:20] frog_: note the \ in \*.BAD [10:21] should i set wwwrun as the owner of /usr/local/apache/htdocs/scheduleit maybe? [10:23] Tcl error in script for 'timer1253647': [10:23] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:25] psy: no, that won't make a difference. did change log permissions fix the first error? [10:25] rainkid (~rainkid@gemini.os5.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:25] nedz (~nedz@cc3-24.217.196.87.charter-stl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:26] find . -name *.BAD -maxdepth 1 -exec rm '{}' ; argument too long , find . -name \*.BAD -maxdepth 1 -exec rm '{}' ;find: missing argument to `-exec' [10:26] linuxfreck^^ [10:26] squidly (sfdc@security-forums.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:26] i didnt try it yet. i'll try now [10:26] frog_: please read correctly. [10:26] frog_: you have to keep the \ [10:26] frog_: 19:12 frog_: find . -name \*.BAD -maxdepth 1 -exec rm '{}' \; [10:26] dbutler (~dustin@216.237.71.86) joined #linuxhelp. [10:26] psy: the second error.... whatever admin_update.php is trying to do on line 406, it's doing it too late.. it seems to be trying to add some HTTP header info, but the headers have already finished outputting, so it's letting you know thyat it's not doing any good [10:26] k, sry [10:26] how do you invoke split screen in gnu screen? man pages says C-a S, which i interpret as control + a +s or control + s... either one of these seems to crash screen though... [10:27] hmmmmm [10:27] Dr_Willis (~willis@12-222-124-154.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:27] amphi: psy: php sends its warning before the scripts tries to change the headers, so if the first warning disappears, the second should go too [10:28] thx thoreauputic,newbien,trash,linuxfreck [10:28] linuxfreck: ? [10:29] anyone know of documentation to take existing non-raid system and configure RAID 1 with a new drive? [10:29] amrit: i touched that log file then changed the owner to wwwrun and it fixed both errors. Thank you sooooo much! [10:29] amphi: the permission denied error causes the second warning [10:29] thank you all so much! [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:30] linuxfreck: I have no idea what you're talking about :) tab-completion error, perhaps [10:30] amphi: forget it then :) [10:30] rainkid (~rainkid@gemini.os5.com) left irc: "rainkid has no reason" [10:30] thoreauputic (~freudulen@wolax9-058.dialup.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:33] psy: great, np [10:33] torf (~torf@pD95DB4A0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "www.torfbold.com" [10:33] tortxof (~tortxof@68.119.200.101) joined #linuxhelp. [10:33] RickX- (~rick@169.139.251.226) joined #linuxhelp. [10:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:35] Inssomniak (~dave@pc-16-216.scpe.mountaincable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:35] RickX- (~rick@169.139.251.226) left irc: Client Quit [10:36] anyone know if linux is capable of utilizing a laptop's docking feature? [10:36] Inssomniak: i know some can. it may depend on the manufacturer. [10:37] inssomniak yep [10:39] does it involve "hotplugging" by chance? [10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:40] inssomniak, and possibly hardware profiles [10:40] ooh this is getting scarey [10:41] when I run my perl script like so: "./my_script >& log", then none of my print statements show up in the log file. anyone know whats up with that? [10:42] UQlev (~yuriy@194.30.147.40) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [10:43] agenteo_ (~agenteo@ppp-82-84-147-161.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: "Leaving" [10:43] alauck (~alauck@ca-arcdca-cuda1-c1x-43.arcdca.adelphia.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:44] p00p (~p00p@c-67-172-53-228.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:44] knoppix (~knoppix@62.79.97.134.adsl.kh.worldonline.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:45] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [10:46] scope006 (~scope006@68-250-159-126.ded.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:46] B2382F29 (~B2382F29@pD9EA2D20.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving for today." [10:47] I'm having a hardware problem with a couple cd-roms. I have some ideas, but wanted to get a second opinion on the problem. Any takers? [10:47] Poeir (~poeir@di121.opencominc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:47] I think that I have a bad sector in the journal of my ext3 formatted harddisk (Debian/Sarge/x86) . This is bad because when I boot I get "no journal", and the system cannot find the /etc/fstab and I get kernel panic. Right now I have booted on a knoppix CD. Is there a chance to recreate the journal or am I doomed? :) [10:48] Just fsck it! lol [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:51] fsck off scope006 [10:51] ::D [10:53] lol [10:53] scope006 (~scope006@68-250-159-126.ded.ameritech.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/9 e/- I/-] [10:57] Inv_Arp (junya@adsl-10-142-83.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:00] Writing user file... [11:00] Writing channel file... [11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [11:01] knoppix: tune2fs -j [11:01] assuming it's otherwise intact... [11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:05] So should I fsck it before tune2fs -j? Can I damage anything with tune2fs? [11:05] jony (jony@1-1-3-33a.has.sth.bostream.se) joined #linuxhelp. [11:07] idinkin (idengineer@83.130.246.145) joined #linuxhelp. [11:07] I'm connecting to my ISP with pptp downloaded from ppptp.sourceforge.net, and I use dhcpcd to acquire an IP for me - it works. Than I run 'pppd call tunnel'.. And it writes the following in the logs: Connect ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/6, anon log[main:pptp.c:243]: The synchronous pptp option is activated. And then it stucks... The DNS servers work and I have the connection to them. What might be the problem? [11:08] I can ping my ISP server too... [11:09] knoppix: it's unlikely to damage anything, but yes, fsck first [11:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:11] Thanks [11:11] knoppix (~knoppix@62.79.97.134.adsl.kh.worldonline.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:13] swimingly (~anotherna@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:15] cxccxc (~cxccxc@81.216.117.150) joined #linuxhelp. [11:15] how do I monitor keyboard and mouse events in X? Any simple solution? [11:15] TankC (1000@65.38.225.223) joined #linuxhelp. [11:15] hey all [11:15] cxccxc: xev ? :) [11:16] is there a log of the bootup messages stored somewhere? [11:16] amphi: cool! tnx a lot :) [11:16] TankC: /var/log/ [11:16] mizery (mizery@24-164-226-23.aces.athenet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:16] any help with pptp connection? [11:17] TankC: for a specific log, ask you system logger configuration. [11:17] s/you/your/ [11:17] hmm, ok [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:21] SpyderMan (~pdd@two-towers.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:21] SpyderMan (~pdd@two-towers.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:22] _KonvIRC (nobody@24-56-163-92.nm.warpdriveonline.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:22] <_KonvIRC> how do I delete a file with hyphen - as the first character? [11:23] _KonvIRC: rm -- -foo [11:23] <_KonvIRC> thx [11:23] hotplug handle IDE device hotswapping? [11:23] anyone can help me? [11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:26] SpyderMan (~SpyderMan@two-towers.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:27] cxccxc (~cxccxc@81.216.117.150) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [11:27] Inssomniak: not to my knowledge. [11:28] Inssomniak : can your mobo even handle it? :) [11:29] GoldenGoblin (~gg@213.189.82.70) joined #linuxhelp. [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:32] ananke, its a lappy, and it does in windows [11:32] Inssomniak : ahh, that's true. like your cdrom/floppy/zipdisk? [11:33] yeapp [11:33] so far it dont work for me [11:33] i can swap to the floppy, but not back to the IDE cdrom, it hangs 'er up [11:34] Inssomniak : hmm, yeah, i've never tried to get that to work on my laptop. first time it hang, i gave up :) [11:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:35] apparently it works for cardbus devices [11:35] Grey (~grey@Sudbury-HSE-ppp3979820.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [11:35] so far it not doin squat for me [11:35] dbutler (~dustin@216.237.71.86) left #linuxhelp. [11:36] How can I make a backup of my bootsector? I want to backup my windows bootsector, before installing lilo, so that I can get back into windows if I have to, (I'm going to be trying to get windows booting with lilo, but I'm preparing in case it doesnt work) [11:36] .. [11:37] Grey: dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 [11:37] mmmkay [11:37] oops, looks like lilo -s filename will do it too O.o I'll do both :D [11:37] TankC (1000@65.38.225.223) left #linuxhelp. [11:38] ok... [11:38] rebooting... wish me luck O.o [11:38] Grey (~grey@Sudbury-HSE-ppp3979820.sympatico.ca) left irc: Client Quit [11:39] amphi (~amphi@amphi.registered) left irc: "leaving" [11:39] Matt_2 (Matt@128.82.86.198) joined #linuxhelp. [11:39] ooohh Im an idiot [11:39] kreg (~kreg@customer-dsl-216-222-8-189.boi.velocitus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:39] I have a cron process that executes a script in my directory, the directory exists on all nodes, and i need the script to run on all nodes, I can do it manually, but for some reason cron is not starting the script.. any ideas? [11:39] my pcmcia card, is NOT cardbus, its plain old 16 bit [11:39] Inssomniak : ouch [11:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:40] gaga_ (~gaga@ALille-104-1-1-78.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #linuxhelp. [11:40] agney (~dot@agney.registered) joined #linuxhelp. [11:41] nedz (~nedz@cc3-24.217.196.87.charter-stl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:41] nedz (~nedz@cc3-24.217.196.87.charter-stl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:43] cr0n (~cr0n@196-28-86-254.wdsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [11:44] keter2 (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:44] keter (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:46] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [11:46] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:46] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [11:47] anyone know a way to force sdl to use alsa instead of oss? [11:48] I'm connecting to my ISP with pptp downloaded from ppptp.sourceforge.net, and I use dhcpcd to acquire an IP for me - it works. Than I run 'pppd call tunnel'.. And it writes the following in the logs: Connect ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/6, anon log[main:pptp.c:243]: The synchronous pptp option is activated. And then it stucks... The DNS servers work and I have the connection to them. What might be the problem? [11:48] grey (~grey@Sudbury-HSE-ppp3979820.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [11:48] keter (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:48] keter2 (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] rockabillyjon (~rockabill@adsl-68-78-114-60.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:49] i need help... [11:49] question: i just downloaded an rpm of gkrellm, and i have the rpm but i can't seem to install it or unpack it, it won't do anything [11:49] cna you help? [11:49] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [11:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:50] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:50] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [11:51] if you are trying to cross compile something, yet the code contains inline x86 assembler in it, is there any way to still manage a cross compilation? [11:51] Nick change: JeroZZZ -> Jeronimus [11:52] gaga (~gaga@ALille-104-1-1-150.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [11:53] in this case its Linux->MIPS. The error output is unrecognized opcode rorw $8, $2 [11:53] the cross compiler is setup correctly since it manages to compile other software properly [11:54] kyncani2 (~kyncani@lns-p19-10-82-65-59-18.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [11:55] rockabillyjon (~rockabill@adsl-68-78-114-60.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [11:55] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-5-82-64-208-14.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:55] Nick change: kyncani2 -> kyncani [11:57] Tcl error in script for 'timer1254536': [11:57] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [11:59] Tcl error [bMotion_event_main]: random limit must be greater than zero [11:59] Matt_2 (Matt@128.82.86.198) left irc: [12:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:00] Writing user file... [12:00] Writing channel file... [12:00] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|afk [12:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [12:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:07] anderson (~anderson@200.253.40.80) joined #linuxhelp. [12:08] is it possible to execute a bash script when the kernel detects that a usb device was attached to the system ? [12:09] anderson: look into hotplug [12:09] xbeanx (~gbaker@chandra.housing.mun.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [12:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:10] Vinland (Vinland@d137-186-192-223.abhsia.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:13] maroon5 (~maroon5@cm92.omega17.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: "Leaving" [12:13] telesto (1001@h00095b6dc39d.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:14] Hey all. I just accidently just overwrote an entire directory with a text file (was trying to move it into the directory and missed the /). Is there any way to "undo" this? [12:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:15] when I try and start xchat on my linux box it gives me and error 'xlib connection to :0.0 refused by server' 'Xlib:client is not allowed to connect to server'. How do I fix this? [12:19] norton (~norton@h223n1fls306o1124.telia.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:19] pita_lap (~Idunno@66.7.168.70) joined #linuxhelp. [12:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:20] I want my computer to only run a game in X when started, and when the game is exited I want the computer to shutdown. How can i accomplish that? Ive configured X to start the game and exit when the game exits. [12:22] have an .xinitrc with "exec halt" as the last line [12:23] Cwiiis (~chris@82-43-43-168.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [12:24] gauze: but I also want it to start automatically [12:24] I guess i need to edit inittab [12:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:27] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:28] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:32] norton: $program_name; halt [12:32] trash: where to put that? [12:32] norton: you want to start the game in that way. [12:32] NetEcho (~jordan@cable-63-135-30-8.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:33] trash: cant I put an entry in inittab that starts a script, that starts the game, and when the script ends. init notices that and halts the computer? [12:34] that's overkill [12:34] why? [12:34] cause I want the game to start when the computer starts, no login and stuff [12:34] how do you start the game? [12:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:35] right now, with startx [12:35] which starts X without a windowmanager, just with the game [12:35] and when the game ends, X exits [12:35] norton: and _HOW_ start startx it? [12:36] and _WHERE_ [12:36] I put the path to the game, which is /opt/stepmania/stepmania in the systemwide xinitrc file [12:37] telesto (1001@h00095b6dc39d.ne.client2.attbi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] norton: then do /opt/stepmania/stepmania; halt instead of /opt/stepmania/stepmania [12:37] yes, sure [12:37] if the game won't start detached. [12:37] but, how can I make the game run when the computer starts? [12:37] but then I have solution, too [12:37] detached? [12:38] norton: try: top and try top& [12:38] ah ok [12:39] i know [12:39] detox (~detox@w-west-115-149.public.utexas.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [12:39] norton: top starts in the second way detached. [12:39] /opt/stepmania/stepmania; halt would probably do fine [12:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:40] norton: for autostart X at bootup you could edit your /etc/inittab. [12:41] hackmiker (~misu@ns.tts.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [12:41] Kars (kars@81-89.ipact.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [12:41] anderson (~anderson@200.253.40.80) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:41] and make init run a script that runs X as a regular user? [12:42] yes. [12:42] trash: nice nick. at least you admit it :) [12:43] su-|lappy (~root@pcp03415506pcs.kilng01.ct.comcast.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.64b [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040707]" [12:43] hackmiker: -v [12:43] t35t0r (~xsc@cookeville-24-158-168-215.midtn.chartertn.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:43] t35t0r (~xsc@cookeville-24-158-168-215.midtn.chartertn.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [12:46] ? 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[13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:05] im triyn to get into wmaker and i cant because all i get when i type in startx is a black screen and nothing happens... anyone have any ideas? [13:07] whatch out for X output [13:07] warthawg (~warthawg@cs6668177-157.austin.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:07] what? [13:08] dataw0lf (~children@c-67-166-66-105.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:08] i have been told that it is probably the fault of the graphics card [13:08] hello, Watha, are you getting your questions answered? [13:08] so i need to configure that... [13:08] that X's output should say something [13:09] where would i see the output? [13:09] AFC3 (~little_di@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:09] bare with me, im a noob [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:10] iliah (~bit@a2studio-gw.corbina.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:10] ? [13:11] what are you trying to do now, AFC? [13:12] im triyn to get into wmaker and i cant because all i get when i type in startx is a black screen and nothing happens... anyone have any ideas? [13:12] Have you done an X -configure? [13:12] You don't get any error messages? [13:12] probably not... [13:12] jerome187 (~kvirc@209.166.69.117) joined #linuxhelp. [13:12] And will ctr-alt-backspace exit out? [13:12] Cwiiis (~chris@82-43-43-168.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] i have to do ctrl-alt-f1 [13:13] how can I tell scp to copy subdriectories and everything in them? [13:13] xamul (~xamul@213.161.164.39) joined #linuxhelp. [13:13] ok try X -configure AFC [13:14] ok, i will try doing that [13:14] AFC (~little_di@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:15] hi.. i need some help here.. i just installed fedora 2.. and i cant get any sound.. i think i need alasmixer.. [13:15] where to get it [13:15] ? [13:16] try a google for rpm repositories [13:16] gonna be typing from here for now while i work my other comp into linux hopefully [13:17] X -configure u said? [13:17] yes [13:17] ok [13:17] i typed that in [13:17] tell me what you get [13:17] it said that xorg detected a mouse [13:18] the mouse is now working... [13:18] dwn (~dwn@u147n29.hfx.eastlink.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [13:18] n0pp1xUzer (~knoppix@adsl-9-142-95.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] at the end it will say something like 'Run X -xf86config ' [13:18] xamul: look here http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=alsa-utils&submit=Search+...&system=&arch= [13:18] xamul: it [13:18] your xorg.conf file is /root/xorg.conf.new [13:18] xamul: it´s alsa-utils [13:19] to test the server, run X -xf86config /root/xorg.conf.new [13:19] yes, do that [13:19] aighties [13:19] what distro is this AFC? Slackware? [13:19] jerome187 (~kvirc@209.166.69.117) left #linuxhelp ("Ooh, look, a shiny object..."). [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:20] yea [13:20] 10.0 [13:20] 10? [13:20] yeah [13:20] that loaded me into a grey screen [13:20] with an X in the middle? [13:20] with an x in the middle [13:20] hehe [13:20] damn mind reader [13:20] hit ctrl-alt-backspace [13:20] lol [13:20] ok [13:20] did that [13:20] heh, yeah I am a mindreader lol [13:20] :-) [13:20] im not back into prompt [13:21] where you at? [13:21] go and edit ur XF86Config file in /etc [13:21] XF86Config-4 [13:21] im at prompt now... [13:22] ok [13:22] replace /etc/X11/xorg.conf with /root/xorg.conf.new [13:22] renaming xorg.conf.new to xorg.conf of course [13:22] since im a noob [13:22] what are the commands to that? [13:23] wow [13:23] replace so and so "space" so and so [13:23] ? [13:23] heh [13:23] hehe [13:23] :-) [13:23] just do a mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf [13:23] aighties [13:24] after that try startx again.. I need to go pick up some cigarettes, when I get back I will check up with you. [13:24] sounds good [13:24] norton (~norton@h223n1fls306o1124.telia.com) left irc: "L?mnar" [13:24] Emil_Zeuthen (~emil@0x50a10d28.boanxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:26] thank u so much! [13:26] im now in wmaker [13:26] i will try doing it on my own for now... ask u when u get back if i have any questions [13:27] hey.. is alsamixer suppose to be in a trminal [13:28] yes [13:28] yes. If I remember well, yes [13:28] Action: amrit|afk away [13:29] p00p (~p00p@c-67-172-53-228.client.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:29] is there a gui version [13:29] of it [13:29] gnome-alsamixer [13:29] only one I know [13:29] thankzz [13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [13:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:32] hehe it works [13:33] but it only gives me full or none volume? [13:34] i use xmms [13:34] how may i fix it.. the volum controll [13:34] ? [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:35] detox (~detox@w-west-115-149.public.utexas.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:35] mmm...weird [13:36] yea [13:36] i'll try the alsa channel [13:36] should have sliders (or what ever they are named :-P) [13:36] ok [13:37] is there something in /proc that will tell me what speed my AGP is running at? [13:38] dataw0lf (~children@c-67-166-66-105.client.comcast.net) left irc: [13:38] keter (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Trust and you'll be trusted Says the liar to the fool Lust and so what if you're busted? In love and war there ain't no rules [13:38] dataw0lf (~children@c-67-166-66-105.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:39] You good now AFC? [13:39] i got into wmaker [13:39] and its nice [13:39] :-) [13:39] thanks alot [13:39] just once question [13:39] when im go into load applications [13:39] and chose to load offix [13:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:40] Alien_Freak (~z002161@quake.mc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:40] it says - error- could not execute command: exec files [13:40] ? [13:41] o, and the internet is working, which is pretty nice [13:41] any ideas on the offix? [13:41] hm, [13:42] I don't use Offix, I got a friend here though, I will ask him when he gets back from smoking [13:42] hi all [13:42] offix? [13:43] meff (~meff@adsl-68-90-188-236.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) left irc: "Sweet revelation, sweet surrendering.." [13:43] yea [13:43] o, just a btw- im going to download bitchx so i can talk to u from the liinux... [13:43] when i dl something [13:43] and save it to wherever [13:43] is there a semi-file browser i can use to find it [13:43] ? [13:44] AFC, here is a tip I am going to give you that I think is pretty valuable to the linux newbie [13:44] mc is a nice cli file manager in linux [13:44] Keep a Journal, and write down all the solutions to problems you fix and commands you learn [13:44] hmmm [13:44] good idea [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:45] im actually gonan do that [13:45] thanks for the advice though [13:45] yeah, I got like 12 notebooks full from 8 years of screwing with linux. [13:45] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [13:45] Cwiiis (~chris@82-43-43-168.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [13:45] hmm all where asleep in alsa channel.. [13:45] i wonder if much from year 8 is still applicable.. a lot of minute details i've found can be distro specific.... [13:45] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:45] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [13:46] thats why its distro specific in the journals. [13:46] nice... my 2 main projects right now is getting virtual domains to work with postfix and getting squid/SquidGuard setup/configured [13:47] I am writing an IRC client in gtk+ right now. [13:48] whats the cmd that lists the last few people who loggin into a server and from where? [13:49] last [13:49] lol [13:49] i see... [13:49] ? [13:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:50] lastb will show you failed login attempts. [13:50] bash: lsdt: command not found [13:50] i missed that i typed a typo [13:50] hey do any1 got any idea why have i only full or none volum. plzz help me.. it suxz having full or none volume [13:51] ummmm... is a pop blocker available for linux? [13:51] xamul, do you alsa? [13:51] is there something in /proc that will tell me what speed my AGP is running at? [13:51] yea [13:51] dwn [13:51] use alsamixer [13:51] i doo [13:52] it everything ummuted and up? [13:52] yea [13:52] only 1 prob.. full or none volume [13:52] AFC3: firefox has it built in [13:52] firefox it is then... isnt that a branchoff of netscape? [13:53] odd. im not sure,, [13:53] such as firebir [13:53] d [13:54] meff (~meff@adsl-68-90-188-236.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [13:55] maroon5 (~maroon5@cm18.omega17.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [13:56] Tcl error in script for 'timer1257413': [13:56] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [13:56] umm... placed a music cd-rom in [13:57] clikced on the cd-rom tab [13:57] didnt take it.. [13:57] firefox == firebird [13:57] no such files or directory [13:57] firebird is a branch of mozilla [13:57] mozilla is a branch of netscape [13:57] ype [13:58] well, netscape is more of a branch of mozilla these days, but I'll not get picky :-) [13:58] hehe [13:58] i placed a music cd-rom in [13:58] oOo Darl Mcbride speaks today at a conference here. Must... heckle.. [13:58] it says no such file or directory is available [13:59] dataw0lf, are you in vegas? [13:59] nah, Salt Lake City [13:59] ohhh i though snowcon was vegas, sorry [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:00] I just got back from vegas though [14:00] me too [14:00] you were at Defcon? [14:00] yeah, and blackhat [14:00] *nod* yeah, it was pretty decent this year. [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:01] the anarchist had a rough time in his talk [14:01] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:01] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [14:01] lol [14:01] i think priest may have terrified him [14:02] I think priest *did* terrify him [14:02] he's kinda a BIG guy :) [14:02] hehe, no kidding [14:02] where you at warthawg? [14:03] austin [14:03] ah, austin is a nice city [14:04] Archlinux rocks. [14:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:06] xamul (~xamul@213.161.164.39) left irc: Client Quit [14:06] dataw0lf, sorry, i was on the phone, where are you? [14:06] saltlake [14:06] damn, i am simple [14:07] it's all coming back to me now :0 [14:07] lol [14:07] actually I was outside smoking a cigarette pondering whether I should switch my two freebsd servers with archlinux [14:08] Mxyzpltk (~fede@200.91.70.82) joined #linuxhelp. [14:08] hmmm i dled bitchx [14:08] configured it [14:09] and then it said to type gmake [14:09] to compile it [14:09] where do i tpye that? [14:09] rickest (~rickest@rtc-gw.ronan.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:10] jesus, the src directory [14:11] yhanks :- [14:11] 0 [14:11] ;) [14:11] thanks :-) [14:11] hehe [14:11] and yes, im stupid [14:11] im used to east to use windows [14:11] pita_lap (~Idunno@66.7.168.70) left irc: "Leaving" [14:11] it will take sometime [14:11] jamesr (~jamesr@h000c4143372b.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:12] i still use windows.. I *had* to play doom 3. My main workstation is a dual boot [14:12] but thats all I use the damned thing for. [14:12] thats what im doing here [14:12] best game since knights of the old republic. [14:13] P0wer1 (~mark@rrba-183-98.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [14:13] im gonna have to get it [14:13] would some1 be kind enough to do a dig for me on www.listenerslibrary.com I want to check if its having a propogation problem...or if its a problem with dns on the gentoo server. [14:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:15] i'm trying to compile a program using gtk, and have included #include and #include but get "error: `gtk_option_menu_history' undeclared" gtk_option_menu_history() is defined in gtk/gtkoptionmenu.h - what is going on? [14:15] P0wer1, http://www.dnsstuff.com/ [14:16] dataw0lf (~children@c-67-166-66-105.client.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [14:17] or am i in the wrong chan? [14:17] did you try #gtk or #c ? [14:17] #gtk is pretty sparse, i'll give #c a shot [14:18] anyone here use vsftpd? [14:18] lurch_: thanks..... I wonder why I cant do a dig to it from my side but any other query works perfectly [14:18] jamesr, did you compile with gtk-config --libs ? [14:19] lurch_, yes [14:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:20] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [14:20] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:20] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [14:21] P0wer1 (~mark@rrba-183-98.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: "Leaving" [14:21] whats the command for bitchx to change my username? [14:22] so does anyone use vsftpd? [14:22] .....? [14:22] command to change name? [14:23] I think that's not bitchx related. [14:24] ok [14:24] well [14:24] whats the command in general? [14:24] AFC3: at first: try /help [14:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:25] AFC3: and if you can't find it, we'll tell you that. And don't just say that you didn't found the command. [14:27] hehe, im actually looking [14:27] dont worry [14:28] Celestar (~Celestar@pD950F374.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:29] NetEcho: if the question is does anyone use vsftpd, then the answer is yes [14:29] ummm... is there a way to scroll up? [14:29] Administrat (~Administr@81.216.117.150) joined #linuxhelp. [14:29] thing keep on poping up and i cant read it cos it goes off the xterm screen [14:29] I'v used GNU/Linux for almost 10 years now. Starting to be tired of the current evolution track.... things are supposed to be better uh? [14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [14:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:30] AFC3: try irssi, the IRC client. [14:30] things are 100 times better than they were a decade ago [14:30] i remeber using rh 5.2, the change since then to now itself is dramatic enough [14:31] and thats not that many years [14:31] idinkin (idengineer@83.130.246.145) left irc: Client Quit [14:31] Na 6.2 were the best release ever. Now a lot of shit with alsa, acpi etc etc [14:31] SpyderMan nvm found out [14:32] im gonna assume that the IRC's for linux arent gonan be much visual? [14:32] all comands and such? [14:32] NetEcho: check out the question guidelines on this channel and you'll get an answer quicker than that.. [14:32] AFC3: you want a GUI? Try xchat. [14:33] aight... ill take a look at that - although it sounds familiar [14:33] is it usualy part of an install with distors? [14:33] *distros [14:33] SpyderMan thankyou [14:33] i had fvwm afterstep and window maker with rh 5.2 and all of them sucked, and still do [14:33] Administrat: 6.2 was the best Mandrake release ever, IMHO - RH6.2 + stuff RH didn't do (KDE, amongst others..) [14:33] it wasnt until i started using kde with like mandrake 7. something that i new i was going to keep using linux [14:34] btw - I don't use KDE anymore, but at the time ;-) [14:34] i had a macmillan release of mandrake also, they just called it 'the complete linux os 6.5' [14:34] Novell and others are ditching everything, its sad but true. Sorry for my bad mode anaway.... [14:34] that was line mdk 6. something, .0 probably [14:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:35] i got mdk 7.2? and storm linux 2000 for free from max. linux magazine [14:35] i liked storm, to bad it went away [14:36] ky00rius (1001@modem-131.porcupine.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [14:36] it was like debian except better, had some admin tools and everything just seemed to work [14:37] ky00rius (1001@modem-131.porcupine.dialup.pol.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:37] Then I met Debian ;-) [14:37] uh, no [14:37] i dont like debian still [14:38] but storm has fb console all setup and graphical bootloader before mandrake or anyone was ever doing it [14:38] it was like ahead of its time :p [14:38] yeah, graphical bootloaders have changed my life ;-) [14:38] haha [14:38] no thats just aesthetics [14:39] what is this that i keep seeing that looks like winamp on linux? [14:39] but still back when everyone else had black and white console, with hardly any graphical junk [14:39] they had it all already [14:39] he - bleeding edge bloat - that's cool ;-) [14:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:40] AFC3: xmms? [14:40] it even installed in fb mode just like mandrake does nowadays [14:40] maybe, i wouldnt know [14:40] linuxfreck (~chris@pD9EB5FF8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:41] standard console sucks, you can fit like 11 words per line [14:41] :P [14:41] fbcon is much better [14:41] take 2.6 kernel, half of all drivers etc are developed by profit hungry companies and they gona seek revenue sooner or later [14:41] hackmiker (~misu@ns.tts.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:41] Novell now owns alsa [14:42] novell doesnt own crap :P [14:42] x1bncwn: oh yes it does, novell owns a *lot* of crap :-D [14:42] open source is open source, they can seek wtf ever they want till hell freezes over [14:42] they arent going to get it [14:43] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [14:43] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:43] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [14:43] yes but OSS etc will be (or is) obsolete, so whom will you turn to? [14:43] ill just use alsa [14:43] if its not in the kernel, i would dl a patch and put it there [14:43] regardless of who thinks what [14:44] keter (~keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:44] warthawg (~warthawg@cs6668177-157.austin.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("Client is not responsible"). [14:44] once the source is out there, which it is, there is NOTHING anyone can do [14:44] Ok [14:44] ok but then some big company buys Novell to support their own hardware, what do you do then? [14:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:45] I have a pubring.gpg and secring.gpg but its telling me .gnupg isn't a directory [14:45] where do I put them [14:45] Administrat the same thing i do now [14:45] na [14:45] Administrat someone would hack up the source call it their own, i would dl and use it [14:45] what would change? [14:46] i just started entering xchat and it said: going into xchat with root is stupid! make urself a user-level account [14:46] what exactly is it reffering to> [14:46] ? [14:46] Jazza (~Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:46] AFC3: well, it is! [14:46] im dumb.... [14:46] AFC3, yep [14:46] explain why [14:47] you really shoul only use root for administration tasks [14:47] if the source code for windows were out there and readily available how long do you think MS as a cooperation wouldve lasted [14:47] because you are running it with super user priviledges [14:47] dangerous to use it all the time [14:47] omri (omri2@cl-750.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:47] x1bncwn, um it is [14:47] fire up your favourite p2p program [14:47] ok, how would i make myself a user account? [14:47] nonsense [14:47] you show me where, give me an ip, or a url [14:48] x1bncwn, it was in the news everywhere a few months back [14:48] MS got leaked [14:48] fred87: it was only a real small part of the source [14:48] AFC3: as root, useradd some_name [14:48] d'oih :( [14:48] then their lifespan has been severely shortened [14:48] Action: fred87 apologises [14:49] fred87: Windows 2000 is an enormous thing [14:49] then, passwd some_name, and it will ask you to enter a password for some_name user [14:49] ok [14:49] do this in xterm? [14:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:50] yes, or in a terminal, but as root [14:50] Administrat (~Administr@81.216.117.150) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] fred87: win2k is like linuk kernel + gnome + bucket loads of crap to make hidden APIs for MS apps ;-) [14:51] no company that sells something that you can get for free, will last long [14:51] notice how mandrake almost dissappeared [14:51] they they hads to startup that stupid club [14:51] x1bncwn, slackware? [14:51] redhat? [14:51] Markrian (~Markrian@82-68-11-181.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] suse? [14:51] p00p (~p00p@c-67-172-53-228.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:51] yes, what about redhat [14:51] and suse as well [14:51] and microsoft - of course you can download isos via p2p [14:51] they sell products you can get for free [14:51] no, they dont [14:52] they sell products you can get 'free' versions of [14:52] Markrian (~Markrian@82-68-11-180.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [14:52] not the same thing though [14:52] they also do not rely on those products alone [14:52] you cant get rhel for free unless you pirate it [14:52] xamul (~xamul@213.161.164.39) joined #linuxhelp. [14:52] x1ncnwn, you can get all of RHEL for free as SRPMS, then compile them, or download whitebox linux which has done that for you [14:53] and does slackware even see boxed sets? [14:53] yep [14:53] sell* [14:53] store.slackware.com [14:53] hi [14:54] a cooperation based soley on the distribution of a free product, is destined to failure [14:54] why buy it, if you can get it for free? [14:54] slackware is a counter-example [14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/9 e/- I/-] [14:55] yes, but nobody does that. [14:55] mysql [14:55] another one [14:55] they do, mandrake for example [14:55] is there a program that looks like winamp for slackware? [14:55] and chapter 11 bankruptcy proves it cannt work [14:55] AFC3, xmms [14:55] i need some help.. i just installed fedora 2 and it has no support for ntfs.. [14:55] AFC3: xmms and beep-media-player [14:55] x1bncwn, some work, some dont [14:55] Nick change: amrit|afk -> amrit [14:55] so they had to reform their buisness [14:55] kernel 2.6.5 [14:56] if your putting out money, and getting none in return [14:56] its only a matter of time [14:56] not if, when [14:56] x1bncwn: not exactly. they have a community who suupports them and sustains them. that community needs them in some sense [14:56] donations only go so far [14:56] what prog do i need to convert wma to mp3s? [14:57] google: wma2mp3 [14:57] wma2mp3: http://kom.aau.dk/~lnissen/wma2mp3.php [14:57] Alien_Freak: maybe you can do it with mplayer, but you should read its doc, as I don't know how [14:57] whoa! google? [14:57] dabicho: :P [14:57] iliah (~bit@a2studio-gw.corbina.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:58] bot? [14:58] litage_ (~nick@67.71.55.144) joined #linuxhelp. [14:58] no, he's just fast. [14:59] ^^ [15:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:00] franl (~Francis@63.70.3.143) left irc: "O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember ..." [15:00] google [15:00] AFC3? [15:00] i need some help.. i just installed fedora 2 and it has no support for ntfs.. how do i get ntfs without compilling a new kernel [15:00] hehe [15:00] google: xchat [15:00] xchat: http://www.xchat.org/ [15:00] cool little bot [15:00] google xmms [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:01] cute little bot [15:01] xmms: http://www.xmms.org/ [15:01] psh [15:01] hehe [15:01] don't abuse it [15:01] Watha (~bray@198.115.73.98) left #linuxhelp. [15:01] AFC3 i need some help.. i just installed fedora 2 and it has no support for ntfs.. how do i get ntfs without compilling a new kernel [15:01] modules? [15:01] x1bncwn, there's also support contracts [15:01] xamul: I think so [15:01] and some people buy boxsets [15:02] yes, and sponsors, but they will also want something in return [15:02] support costs money [15:02] ROFL- xamul asking me for help? [15:02] im a noob [15:02] i know nothing [15:02] I thought the thing in free software was, you can earn money in support. [15:02] lol [15:02] x1bncwn, but companies can make a profit out of being solely a support company [15:02] dabicho knows what he is doing though [15:03] just less than half the time [15:03] heat (~John@mail.comglobal.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:03] so does data would if u can talk to him [15:03] hehe [15:03] dabicho how do i install modules.. i have no kernel in /usr/src [15:03] fred87 that wont help much if the things they are supporting no longer exists [15:03] just a precompilled [15:03] 1 [15:03] xamul check the existing modules for an ntfs one [15:03] xamul: then install the kernel sources [15:03] but the profits can go into supporting the product [15:03] they can, but will they [15:03] a new kernel [15:03] or will they go into financing their own company [15:03] it* [15:04] Action: p00p is away: gone [15:04] Action: fred87 wonders if x1bncwn has ever heard the term "circular argument" [15:04] but do what TomaHawK said first [15:04] x1bncwn: just about all IT firm make money from stuff other people have written - I used to work implementing Computer Associates software for a VAR [15:04] is ther no easy way.. like modprbe or somthing [15:04] thats an even worse arangement, if your company sole existance is reliant upon support of a free product [15:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:05] x1bncwn: the difference being that the cost of the software is lower - the service getting it working is the sale [15:05] if that product goes away so do all those 'support' based companies [15:05] smae [15:05] same [15:05] how is that worse than just making a free product with no income at all? [15:05] xamul: try modprobe ntfs [15:05] AFC (~AFC3@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:05] nice, now im talking from my new linux :-) [15:05] xamul modprobe -l | grep ntfs [15:05] FATAL: Module ntfs not found. [15:05] omri (omri2@cl-750.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:05] thankls to everyone here that helped me :-) [15:05] AFC congratz, keep it that way [15:05] AFC3 (~little_di@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) left irc: [15:06] hehe [15:06] ^^ [15:06] Tcl error [bMotion_event_main]: random limit must be greater than zero [15:06] omri (omri2@cl-750.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] TomaHawK what does this command do.. modprobe -l | grep ntfs [15:06] x1bncwn: what you don't get is that it's probably a minority of IT firms that actually wirte any software at all - the rest are all VARs or service porviders, that's what makes free software workable [15:06] now my goal is to get the sound running on this :-) its also so much easier for me to type from here... before i was going from my laptop, and thats a real pain [15:06] urbanfox (~urbanfox@24.177.136.83) joined #linuxhelp. [15:06] modprobe -l gives you a list of the existing modules [15:07] so see if there is an ntfs one [15:07] ther's nothing on my sreen [15:07] if there is, modprobe it, otherwise you'll have a kernel without ntfs support [15:07] heres an example, redhat is linux, your company is a support company that specializes in linux solutions featuring redhat systems, so what happens like when redhat stops putting out its free version and startes some fedora bs, now you can either use fedora and act like its stll redhat, or go to all those people you have contracts with and tell them everything youve told them in the past months was all BS [15:07] xamul yes there is [15:07] and now your going with 'this distro' [15:08] after modprobe -l | grep ntfs ther nothing happend [15:08] hmmm [15:08] omri (omri2@cl-750.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:08] a random question.... how would i get my mouse wheel on my mouse working? [15:08] x1bncwn: that all depends on what you've sold them - if you've sold them "RedHat" then yes, if you've sold them an LDAPserver then who cares [15:08] root@localhost root]# modprobe -l | grep ntfs [root@localhost root]# [15:08] thats all [15:08] whats happend [15:08] I wouldnt specialize in one distro .. [15:08] AFC: I use my index finger ;-) [15:09] haha [15:09] how do i get linux to allow me to use my finger to use the mousewheel? [15:09] You sell systems that run services. [15:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:10] boerst (~boerst@pD9EA599D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:10] I know this isn't the gnome channel, but does anyone know how I would just wip all the keys for my panel? [15:10] SpyderMan: you need to edit your xorg.conf file [15:10] x1bncwn: you see it all amounts to what your customers are buying - you should sell them service with SLAs and they'll not give a shit whether you use redhat,debian or fedora to do it, they want a server that works for XX.XX% of the time [15:11] dabicho: no I don't [15:11] I meant AFC ^^ [15:11] buts whos going to pay you for that [15:11] x1bncwn: most anyone who buys service from a 3rd party [15:11] AFC XFree ? [15:11] Option"ZAxisMapping""4 5" [15:11] Option"Buttons""5" [15:11] x1bncwn: outsourcing [15:11] that service usually comes from companies with cooperate backing [15:12] if you dont specialize in a single distro [15:12] where are you getting that backing [15:12] TomaHawk: ok... i need to do that... where excatly am i going to be typing that? [15:12] in the xorg? [15:12] AFC> in the input section for your mouse [15:12] x1bncwn: I don't know what you mean by corporate backing - that service mostly comes from 3rd parties specialised in service providing [15:12] Action: TomaHawK still uses XFree86 [15:13] hehe [15:13] look for a "section "InputDevice" [15:13] urbanfox: i understand that, in what file? xorg.conf? [15:13] urbanfox (~urbanfox@24.177.136.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] just put the lines in the mouse section [15:13] and restart your X [15:13] urbanfox (~urbanfox@24.177.136.83) joined #linuxhelp. [15:14] TomaHawk: i understand that, where do i find the xorg.conf?/how do i get to it? [15:14] /etc/X11/xorg.conf [15:14] it will be in /etc ? [15:14] well i can tell you this [15:14] i wouldnt throw $100,000 into a buisness and use 'toms linux solutions' [15:14] doido (~doido@200165180233.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [15:14] x1bncwn: the basic issue is that anyone that signs to provide an LDAP server running RHEL 3.0 is mad, you provide an LDAP service with tech specs and uptime and incident resolution times, not distros... [15:14] AFC in general "locate filename" helps you out [15:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:15] thanks [15:15] ill write that down [15:15] x1bncwn: if you've signed for £100,000 it's for a given service [15:15] doido (~doido@200165180233.user.veloxzone.com.br) left #linuxhelp. [15:15] afc, if that don't work, "find -name filename" [15:15] locate uses a db, which is often updated on a cronjob [15:16] ok [15:16] virsys (~virsys@64-40-51-63.ncplus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:16] find actually searches [15:16] man find, man locate, man updatedb, man grep --> write that down :) [15:16] a cronjob that takes a freaking long time to run and eats a lot of cpu :-P [15:17] x1bncwn: there is no point in outsourcing a service if you are going to insist that the service provider uses what you tell them - the point is to outsource and let them handle all that... [15:17] dabicho, that's why you set it to run at 5AM or something [15:17] without the mans [15:17] :-) [15:17] hehe [15:17] fred87: I don't have my PC on all day ^^ I fool myself thinking I save power [15:18] x1bncwn: anyway I'll stop now - we're currently outsourcing our IT, so touchy subject ;-) [15:18] not if I am in the outsourcing company. [15:18] but I supose I could set it to run with a lower priority... [15:19] Tcl error in script for 'timer1261057': [15:19] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [15:19] dabicho, nah! get a raid :) [15:19] (if you're married, it probably aint a good engouh excuse for one) [15:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:20] ^^ [15:20] keter (~keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:26] I play a lot of enemy territory and other games (ut2k4, etc.)... When I'm in game and i want to get to my desktop to check an instant message or something real quick... i have to exit the gam because i can't ALT+TAB or whatever to get back to the desktop. Is there anything i can do to get to my desktop w/o having to exit out of whatever game I am playing? [15:26] hehe [15:27] i would know... being a noob and all [15:27] :-) [15:27] hyphenated (~caleb@morannon.eservglobal.co.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [15:27] although, i have to say, ive been using linux for about 2 hours and although its so much more manual then windows, im loving every moment of it [15:29] jedi|WORK2: I supose you could run your game in a different display, and just switch displays. [15:29] would glx like that? [15:29] dabicho [15:29] Option"ZAxisMapping""4 5" Option"Buttons""5" [15:29] in two different lines [15:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [15:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:30] is there no space between the " and the ""5"? [15:30] got the two line thing :-) [15:30] and, yes, better like this: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" [15:30] Kars (kars@81-89.ipact.nl) left irc: Client Quit [15:31] SpyderMan (~SpyderMan@two-towers.net) left irc: "See Ya'" [15:31] so its Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" and Option "Buttons" "5"? [15:31] in two different lines? [15:31] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:31] just wanna get it right :-) [15:31] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [15:31] yes. You might want to add this option too [15:31] ok [15:31] jdd (~j@h201n2fls306o1034.telia.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:32] Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" [15:32] AFC Using a Mouse Wheel in XFree86 4.x http://rtfm.dyndns.info/tips/2003/09/06/48.shtml [15:32] Hi, has anyone some general hints (such as hdparm settings or i/o latency or other stuff) for getting good performance on a raid5 array? [15:34] ummm dabicho [15:34] i have the microsoft intelli thing mouse [15:34] and i have the back and forward buttons on the sides [15:34] is there a way to activate them? [15:34] i have a microsoft optical trackball [15:34] prologic (prologic@202.162.72.74) joined #linuxhelp. [15:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:35] How do I use sound-recorder to record off my line input on my card ? [15:35] thats a nice mouse [15:35] not good for gaming though [15:35] with -A /dev/dsp1 (is line input dsp1?) [15:35] dabicho? [15:35] how many buttons does your mouse have? [15:35] jdd (~j@h201n2fls306o1034.telia.com) left #linuxhelp. [15:35] virsys (~virsys@64-40-51-168.ncplus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:36] does the mousewheel count as one? [15:36] it does [15:36] it can be clicked [15:36] ok, so i have 5 [15:36] AFC google for it, it'll be common question [15:36] I'm not going to google in your place :) [15:36] never mind, i assume that theOption"Buttons""5" covers that [15:36] :-) [15:36] Mxyzpltk (~fede@200.91.70.82) left #linuxhelp ("Client exiting"). [15:36] thats fine [15:36] agraupe (~agraupe@S0106000c41ae18ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:37] mousewheel coun as 2, up and down. If you can press it, then its three [15:37] i just wanted to know how to configure them, cos with windows, i have this utility from microsoft [15:37] lets me decide what each button does [15:37] doh [15:37] is this the way to build a new kerner: make xconfig.. make bzImage && make modules && make modules install && make /boot/initrid-2.6.x.img 2.6.x ?? [15:37] I, for example, have a 7 button mouse. But the two side buttons dont do anything usefull... [15:38] nesko (~asdfdsakf@ip68-5-182-123.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:38] o, wow, so i have 7 buttons [15:38] hyphenated (~caleb@morannon.eservglobal.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:38] i found them sorta useful [15:38] using the internet and going back and forth between pages [15:38] afc http://llg.cubic.org/docs/mouse.html [15:38] prologic (prologic@202.162.72.74) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [15:38] and abicho [15:38] they are usefull if apps use them well. [15:39] fred87: thank you [15:39] haha [15:39] get me off his back [15:39] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [15:39] ill try to be a little more independant [15:39] no, I needed that too. I have nothing usefull to do with my two extra buttons [15:39] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:39] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [15:39] Jeronimus (~ask@0-011.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE) left irc: [15:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:40] hehe [15:40] ok [15:41] xamul: make modules_install [15:42] :-) [15:44] seba (~horizote@host027085.arnet.net.ar) joined #linuxhelp. [15:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/9 e/- I/-] [15:45] hello [15:45] this will take a 1 year lol [15:45] i have a problem with xsane [15:46] what is a *.a file as opposed to a *.so file? [15:46] bifeo (~bifeo@cpe-68-116-167-46.ma.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:46] can, anyone help me? [15:46] what is a *.a file as opposed to a *.so file? [15:46] i have a problem with xsane [15:46] er damnit wrong chan [15:46] sorry, didn't mean to spam [15:46] lol [15:47] Jeronimus (~ask@0-032.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE) joined #linuxhelp. [15:47] hello [15:47] i have a problem with xsane [15:47] urbanfox: .a is a library file for linking (like .obj in Windows), .so is for dynamic runtime linking (like .dll in windows) [15:48] rickest> why would the .a not be in a package for glibc? [15:48] urbanfox: it might be in glibc-devel [15:48] I just found THE coolest website [15:49] hyphenated (~caleb@morannon.eservglobal.co.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [15:49] s/might/should/ [15:49] ok [15:49] urbanfox (~urbanfox@24.177.136.83) left irc: ""The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law." George W. Bush" [15:49] seba (~horizote@host027085.arnet.net.ar) left #linuxhelp. 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[15:58] TomaHawK what site u found [15:58] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:58] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [15:59] Enlite (Enlite@ny-ntonawnd-cmts3e-156.bflony.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [16:00] Writing user file... [16:00] Writing channel file... [16:00] im trying to setup sendmail, however anytime i try to send mail from the box it says relay denied... but i do have localhost set to allow relay [16:00] rickest (~rickest@rtc-gw.ronan.net) left irc: [16:00] maybe you isp sucks and doesnt allow it, like my isp [16:00] Nick change: tarbash -> meta-ridley [16:00] irvken (~irvken@82-32-97-187.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [16:01] Tcl error in script for 'timer1263599': [16:01] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [16:01] all traffic i send from port 25, goes right to my isps mail server [16:01] htf do they manage that [16:01] that sucks, i pay for the crap they shouldnt be able to do that [16:01] ... [16:01] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-61-222.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [16:02] port redirection [16:02] they probably do it so that you can't spam [16:02] its not port redirection [16:03] Cwiiis (~chris@82-43-43-168.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:03] its forwarding my traffic to another host [16:03] on my crap i pay for [16:03] thats BS [16:03] they can redirect/filter whatever input they want [16:03] but they cant filter output that doesnt violate the service agreement [16:03] Enlite: i haven't setup sendmail (only postfix), so i can't help you check your configuration on that... but i don't think it's the issue x1bncwn's raising.. to make sure, try "telnet mx1.mail.yahoo.com 25" and see if you get anything back [16:03] eerr (~eerr@kucr12.ucr.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [16:04] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-p19-5-82-65-38-138.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:04] a mail server that doesnt accept incoming new connections is not a servive [16:04] service* [16:04] Enlite: you may need to hit enter a couple of times before it gives you anything [16:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/9 e/- I/-] [16:05] and doesnt violate their service agreement [16:05] x1bncwn: god, stop talking. you never have a damn point. [16:05] that is a point [16:05] that sounds illegal [16:05] get a new isp then [16:05] x1bncwn: guess what? it's not illegal. discussion's over. [16:06] amrit how is it not? they are violating their own service agreement, i dont see anything in there that says they reserve the right to filter whatever traffic they want [16:06] call the internet police [16:06] the BBB [16:07] the FTC, heh [16:07] they probably think your a terrorist [16:07] ugh. i'm getting real tired of you spoutin off about shit you don't understand at all.. do you understand that much? [16:08] linuxlilo (~Steve@12.154.143.10) joined #linuxhelp. [16:08] I have an NIS question. How do you update the client so that it knows the latest accounts that have been added? [16:08] hmm i'm wondering if i should set my 6 and 7 buttons to back and forward, or horizontal scroll [16:08] heh, do you understand i could give a flying fuck what you think, or about your damn ops, or this freakin channel [16:08] #linuxhelp: mode change '+o amrit' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:08] Action: x1bncwn waits [16:09] flex that op muscle [16:09] sure, we can do it that way... [16:09] #linuxhelp: mode change '+b *!*@x1bncwn.user.gentoo' by amrit!~amrit@2001:618:4c8:0:250:8dff:fee3:b6fd [16:09] hehe [16:09] x1bncwn kicked from #linuxhelp by amrit: thank you, come again [16:09] anyone have any idea about my quesiton? [16:09] #linuxhelp: mode change '-o amrit' by amrit!~amrit@2001:618:4c8:0:250:8dff:fee3:b6fd [16:09] "come again"... i hope not [16:09] that kid's been annoying as hell.. [16:09] fred87: er, heh.. good point. [16:09] sounds like it [16:09] fred87: I would rather my thumb be able to press the "middle" button ^^ [16:10] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [16:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/10 e/- I/-] [16:10] dabicho, that's just plain old xmodmap [16:10] linuxlilo: why would you need to manually update a client that does lookups from an NIS server in the first place? [16:10] we're not his isp we can't help him circumvent their mail forwarding [16:10] amrit: well, when i added a user acct to the nis server, then did cd /var/yp [16:10] Triggnus (~rob@ACA93AB4.ipt.aol.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:10] make [16:10] anyone else around for his "it is impossible for anyone to make money with a business that is anything todoo with freesoftware" speech? [16:10] it said it updated, but i cant login with it [16:10] fred87: ^^ which are your 6 and 7 buttons? the wheel? or side buttons? [16:11] MetaCosm (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) left irc: No route to host [16:11] side buttons [16:11] well the wheel [16:11] fred87: heh... was that a while back? sounds familiar [16:11] xmodmap'd to the sidebuttons [16:11] Jester (~Jester@pcp05837633pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:11] gah! i can't remember what my mnouse buttons are! [16:11] ah 6 and 7 are the wheel... [16:12] AFC (~AFC3@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:12] alright... nice [16:12] i think that i got my mouse working now! [16:13] ^^ [16:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/10 e/- I/-] [16:15] amrit: any ideas as to why the client wouldn't update? [16:15] AFC (~AFC3@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:15] ^wolf^ (~wolf@pD95145ED.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:16] linuxlilo: it's been a while since i've played with nis, but i don't see why that's happening.. did you try logging onto the nis server itself with that user account? [16:16] Cwiiis (~chris@82-43-43-168.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [16:16] yup [16:16] and that works fine [16:17] keter (~keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:18] kreg (~kreg@customer-dsl-216-222-8-189.boi.velocitus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:18] dark1 (~dark1@adsl-068-209-121-005.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:18] hi all [16:18] :q [16:18] oops [16:18] linuxlilo: dunno :/ [16:18] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-48.aei.ca) left irc: No route to host [16:18] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [16:18] Citadel (citadel@chef.nerp.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:18] MarkT (~Mark@markt.registered) left irc: Success [16:19] I've got a webhosting question... I'm trying to run egroupware on my webserver... but everytime I go to the url, instead of www.deadmenwalking.org/egroupware I get darkbox.deadmenwalking.org/egroupware (no matter what my hostname is) any ideas anyone? [16:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/10 e/- I/-] [16:21] I'd like to help, my thikpad 360 just froze for the first time, slackware running fluxbox epiphany gnome-terminal, xterm,some sound modules, the orinoco wireless drivers, apm, and what locked it up, mouse and all, was inserting fresh cdr, and trying mount /cdrom. [16:23] its still on, what would be the best thing I could do to aid the community, core files ? just want to help if I can. [16:23] squidly (sfdc@security-forums.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [16:23] boerst (~boerst@pD9EA599D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [16:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/10 e/- I/-] [16:26] AFC (~AFC3@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:27] sekhmet (~pez@adsl-68-78-235-30.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] nothing doing? okay... how about this one... how do I configure apache 2.0 to not accept non-secure access to a particular web area? [16:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [16:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/10 e/- I/-] [16:30] heh, sorry.. maybe you should be asking in #apache :) [16:30] more likely to get good answers there [16:30] thanks [16:31] question: why is debian so stinky? heh.. [16:31] because it's not slackware [16:31] i just checked with my isp, and they are not blocking anything to dis-allow mail servers... yet i am still unable to relay... any ideas? [16:31] im running slack here [16:31] :-) [16:31] 10.0 [16:31] just got it working [16:31] its pretty nice with wmaker on it [16:31] i like slack [16:32] itsa little difficult [16:32] slack/freebsd/debian/gentoo [16:32] gentoo is nice [16:32] Enlite: it sounds like there's something wrong in your sendmail config file... #sendmail might be able to give you specifics [16:32] gentoo is nice, but i don't like the 1 year process of setting it up [16:32] ok.. thanks! [16:33] i love plain distros and console :-) [16:33] Oadae (~jason@wsip-24-234-45-63.lv.lv.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:33] xamul (~xamul@213.161.164.39) left irc: "Leaving" [16:34] Triggnus (~rob@ACA93AB4.ipt.aol.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [16:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/10 e/- I/-] [16:35] anyone have a decent recipe for caesar salad? [16:35] haha [16:35] caesar salad yummy [16:35] hell yeah it is [16:35] Batch (~Jester@pcp05837633pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:36] it's crunchy and slightly fattening and goes great with steak/pasta/watermelon/summer food of choice [16:36] *sigh* i hope i don't get the /boot for being off-topic :-( [16:36] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-61-222.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [16:36] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-61-222.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:37] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [16:37] there's barely any activity right now... you're ok [16:37] cool [16:37] i'll be quiet when someone chimes in [16:37] i just like talking about stuff besides linux/computer junk once in a while [16:38] Batch (~Jester@pcp05837633pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] what's the best cheese to throw on caesar salad? parmesan? cheddar? asiago? [16:39] parmesan is good [16:39] rosdl [16:39] *rofl [16:39] parmesan is good [16:39] fuck im hungry now [16:39] heh [16:39] i think thats the best [16:39] :-) [16:39] i agree [16:39] parmesan is a wise choice [16:39] freshly grated parmesan [16:39] yes indeed [16:39] although [16:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/10 e/- I/-] [16:40] shredded asiago is sharp and yummy too [16:40] axe - check, shower- check, clothes - check [16:40] im off to a party [16:40] LOL [16:40] see u all later guys [16:40] that stuff stinks [16:40] :-) [16:40] have fun afc [16:40] ace is awesome :-) [16:40] *axe [16:40] although it does depend what kind :-) [16:40] i meant parmesan [16:40] haha [16:40] haha [16:40] :-) [16:40] me = axe, voodoo [16:40] me axe = apollo [16:41] but i'm too old to wear that shit lol [16:41] hehe [16:41] im 15 [16:41] got some time :-) [16:41] good man [16:41] hehe [16:41] axe started in my homeland of England [16:41] enjoy ur cooking time [16:41] i like the commercials [16:41] it was called Lynx back then [16:41] :-) [16:41] 'part good, part bad... that's the essence of the complete bastard known as 'man'' [16:42] haha [16:42] ok [16:42] im gone [16:42] me = allergic to lotion :-P [16:42] later AFC [16:42] good luck bro [16:42] dabicho = ashy :/ [16:42] lotion is good [16:43] garlic bread with salad, or soup? [16:43] salad [16:43] soup isn't filling at all [16:43] :-P [16:43] eh [16:43] i mean [16:43] leibniz (~leibniz@200.12.239.10) joined #linuxhelp. [16:43] urbanfox (~urbanfox@24.177.136.83) left irc: ""The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law." George W. Bush" [16:43] garlic bread + salad, or soup + salad? [16:44] is there a problem in using pci.h within user space? I am trying to write a program to be run as roon and I get the following error: /tmp/ccS9MrBb.o(.text+0x21): undefined reference to `pci_find_device', /tmp/ccS9MrBb.o(.text+0x47): undefined reference to `pci_resource_start' [16:44] garlic bread + salad [16:44] leavin too... be back... in the time I make from here to home [16:44] dabicho (~davidgn@host-034.166.ife.org.mx) left irc: "Client exiting" [16:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/10 e/- I/-] [16:45] MetaCosm (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) joined #linuxhelp. [16:45] leibniz: your app needs to be linked to whatever lib has pci_find_device in it.. any idea where that might be? [16:46] amrit: no clue, where are the PCI libraries ? [16:46] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-61-222.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [16:46] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-61-222.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:46] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [16:47] pci.o maybe? [16:47] i know thats not a lib [16:48] meff (~meff@adsl-68-90-188-236.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) left irc: "Sweet revelation, sweet surrendering.." [16:48] leibniz: right... is pci.h a kernel header or something? maybe you can't do it simply, in that case... 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[17:33] macaroni (~tina@pcp02495567pcs.paduca01.ky.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] I am having trouble and I am looking for a user thats used xandros 2.01 that can help me [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/10 e/- I/-] [17:35] if you can help me please im me [17:39] Im trying to compile an app ./configure finishes fine, then make takes a long time and ends with: make: *** [all] Error 2 [17:39] can anyone help? [17:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/10 e/- I/-] [17:41] I am trying to install xandros 2.01 on my secondary HDD and I am the hardware setup utility is having trouble with my oboard scussi [17:41] can anybody help? [17:42] <^wolf^> There's a serious security hole in PuTTY < 0.55. 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[18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:06] Anyone know of any good disk scanning utils? i need to run some hard drive diagnostics [18:07] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|eat [18:07] man badblocks [18:07] Action: amrit|eat food [18:08] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.112.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:13] green-earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) left irc: "Client exiting" [18:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:19] Enlite (Enlite@ny-ntonawnd-cmts3e-156.bflony.adelphia.net) left irc: [18:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:20] amrit|eat: you eat food? [18:21] Im trying to compile an app ./configure finishes fine, then make takes a long time and ends with: make: *** [all] Error 2 can anyone help? [18:23] swimingly: not enough....what is the exact error ? [18:23] badblocks: Permission denied while trying to determine device size [18:24] how does one obtain permission? [18:24] darkthrn (darkthorn@producto-valvo.com) left #linuxhelp. [18:24] su-, it's very long or I would paste it here [18:24] swimingly: pastebin.com...#flood look for ERROR [18:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:26] dikadika: you root ? [18:26] su, tell me more about pastebin.com .. #flood [18:27] http://pastebin.com/88910 [18:28] su- no i'm running knoppix but now trying to figure out how to get root access... [18:28] swimingly did you post your error msg at pastebin.com? [18:28] KAl0 (~Kal0@cs6625161-161.austin.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:29] swimingly: looks at the error... ./tkaction.h:27: error: extra `;' [18:29] newbien, yes [18:29] SysGod (x@sdn-ap-028txhousP0355.dialsprint.net) left irc: [18:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [18:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:30] hrmm what can I do about that? [18:30] swimingly: look at tkaction.h line 27....what does it say ? [18:31] it says just that: ./tkaction.h:27: error: extra `;' [18:32] mew? [18:32] CrazyTB (~crazy@200216006233.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [18:33] swimingly, what does the ...#flood mean? [18:33] thats a chan that I was told you could paste long error msgs and such... [18:34] a flood channel [18:34] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp08392498pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:34] dabicho (~dabicho@201.133.68.149) joined #linuxhelp. [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:35] su, you can do a massive paste on #flood and not get kicked? [18:35] ah I got it just used the rpm [18:35] aldug (~aldug@alb-24-195-228-2.nycap.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:35] newbien, actually not anymore I guess... I used to be able to, but today they kicked me [18:35] so is the badblocks commands supposed to produce output to the terminal right away (like a progress indicator?) [18:36] newbien: yes [18:36] swimingly cool ideas always get the axe [18:36] swimingly: why did they kick you [18:36] su-, because I pasted a long error msg! [18:36] kicked, or killed? [18:37] that is strange [18:37] kicked [18:37] yah I thought so [18:39] #flood has restrictive rules now [18:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:40] Action: karynn thinks a discussion of the rules of #flood is out of topic in #linuxhelp [18:40] AFC (~AFC3@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:40] wow...when did that happen [18:40] hmm...last may :) [18:40] why would the rules of #flood be out of topic???! [18:41] yah its really silly [18:41] cause this is linuxhelp channel :) [18:41] Alien_Freak (~z002161@quake.mc.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:41] NetEcho (~jordan@cable-63-135-30-8.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:41] hmm so you can't talk about anything but linux help ? [18:41] Hum... Does anyone know any way to make a live-CD with images of some diskettes, and a menu to select which image to run? [18:41] cool idea to have a #flood channel instead of dcc stuff, faster anyway [18:41] swimingly: you're supposed to stay on topic. [18:42] or at least try to stay on topic [18:42] what if there isn't a channel for what I want to ask? [18:42] then join #windows [18:42] like I want to learn how to make a channel on irc [18:42] heheh [18:43] make new channel... /j #nameofchannel [18:43] thats all? [18:43] register....look at help [18:43] chanserv will be in that new channel and prolly restrict the flooding [18:44] tortxof (~tortxof@68.119.200.101) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:44] flooding is general is really bad [18:44] i hate ascii art...and i hate it when people paste it without asking [18:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:45] how can I get the IP of a hardware address? [18:45] in general how long would it take to run a badblocks scan on an 80 gb drive... what should i expect... few hours? few days? weeks? [18:45] newbien: chanserv does only enter a (registed) channel when you set changuard on [18:45] MEME|work: hardware addresses don't have IPs. [18:45] hyphenated (~caleb@morannon.eservglobal.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:46] and no, chanserv does not care about flooding [18:46] Null__ (Death@a83-132-7-4.netcabo.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [18:46] Null__ (Death@a83-132-7-4.netcabo.pt) left #linuxhelp. [18:46] ops and (sometimes) staff do, though ;) [18:46] hey karynn :) [18:46] Action: karynn tickles RichiH [18:46] Action: RichiH tickles back [18:46] RichiH flooding a chan could cause a ddos? [18:46] Action: karynn is sleepy. [18:47] enough talk about flooding. [18:47] where are the op's on this chan and what is /dev/bot? [18:47] how do you just recompile a modified driver without having to build the whole kernel again? [18:47] lets have more fun...what about debian vs rh based distros ? [18:48] Action: karynn glares at su- [18:48] newbien: not all channels display ops...which is good [18:48] dedhed (~dedhed@dedhed.registered) joined #linuxhelp. [18:48] karynn: /me too [18:48] Action: su- says hehehe [18:49] leibniz: depends....i like to just compile the dir that the module is in [18:49] newbien: no, it could not (on the server side, at least). it will annoy many people though. also, you might trigger some server safeguard ;) [18:49] su- slacker here, tried debian and it appears to be a bunch of md5 files to monitor precompiled software; rpm is rpm hell [18:49] look at the SUBDIRS variable in the Makefile [18:49] newbien: if you want to find out more about freenode, #freenode is the place :) [18:49] su-: how do you do that? a simple 'make' didnt work for me [18:49] newbien: /msg chanserv access #channel list will tell you about the ops etc of most channels, if you really care [18:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:50] leibniz: at that point you would do make modules [18:50] hackmiker (~misu@ppp-159-190.dialup.pcnet.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [18:50] su-: and make modules_install too? [18:50] newbien: it is preferred not to wear +o unless you really need it, though. makes for a more relaxed and equal atmosphere, which is good [18:50] (running 2.6) [18:50] RichiH thanks for the info [18:50] NetEcho (~jordan@cable-63-135-30-8.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:50] but you need to change the SUBDIRS variable to point to what you want to compile net, etc. [18:50] np [18:50] virsys (~virsys@64-40-51-96.ncplus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:50] RichiH yes, i noticed that too [18:51] su-: you know what, I was wrong, I meant driver... I am forced to recompile the kernel if a driver changes? [18:51] leibniz: i know [18:51] depends on what else what changed [18:51] my driver is not a module. [18:51] i just changed a line on the driver. [18:52] the a kernel compile is needed [18:52] ohh ok [18:52] since the driver will be in the kernel [18:52] Nick change: amrit|eat -> amrit [18:53] yes. [18:53] RichiH any idea what /dev/bot's function is on this chan? [18:53] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-61-222.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:54] dataw0lf (~children@c-67-166-66-105.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:54] I'm Eliza muthafucka! hehehe [18:54] if I wanted to setup acl's how do I implement that? [18:54] newbien: it is amrit's channel stats bot, iirc [18:54] Asian (~AFC3@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:54] RichiH thanks [18:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/10 e/- I/-] [18:55] anybody know a linux function in C that will return the processor and memory usage of a process? [18:55] hey data... thanks for the help before, it really helped ALOT [18:55] Asian (~AFC3@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:57] Jeronimus (~ask@0-032.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE) left irc: No route to host [18:57] well...time for amazing race....see yall later [18:58] su-: err... heh.. forgot it had that name set here [18:58] ok [18:59] amrit: smart bot...or just a loggin bot ? [19:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:00] Writing user file... [19:00] Writing channel file... [19:00] Norgathaal (~dsl@d8-200.rb.gh.centurytel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [19:01] su-: just logging. in other channels it acts like an idiot, but that wouldn't be nice in a chan this big.. [19:01] hey when i try to install make, under Damn Small Linux (Debian) it says cant be installed cause of Coreutils [19:02] Norgathaal read the Damn Small Linux doc's about adding software? [19:02] k [19:02] it installed .dsl files and .deb files [19:03] Tcl error in script for 'timer1266909': [19:03] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [19:04] Norgathaal, you need gcc and lots of librarys to make a file i think, damn small linux may not have those installed [19:04] i have installed cpp and gcc [19:04] maybe i should get their libs in too [19:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:06] nobody have any idea of a function return a process's cpu usage? [19:06] Norgathaal did you read the damn small linux doc's about installing software? anything specifically restricted? [19:06] there is no doc =( [19:06] i mean there is kinda [19:06] but [19:06] Norgathaal wow, that is damn small linux ;) try there web site? [19:07] yeah www.damnsmalllinux.com [19:07] org [19:07] www.damnsmalllinux.org [19:07] Norgathaal find anything related to your problem there? [19:07] crys (~cjohnson@64.19.118.2) joined #linuxhelp. [19:08] nothinh [19:08] hackmiker (~misu@ppp-159-190.dialup.pcnet.ro) left irc: ":p" [19:08] would you know how to compile my kernel-source? [19:08] ive been trying that all night [19:09] Norgathaal i'm not kernel compile competent ;) so i punt to someone who is [19:09] ok [19:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:10] thanks [19:10] Action: karynn always uses make-kpkg [19:10] Norgathaal sure, fun to help when i can [19:11] =) [19:11] the whole debian environment is new to me [19:11] i like it though [19:12] CrazyTB (~crazy@200216006233.user.veloxzone.com.br) left #linuxhelp. [19:12] Norgathaal whats the footprint of damn small linux on your HD? how many k or gig used to install it? [19:13] 50mbs [19:13] eeEE (~eeEE@lsanca1-ar42-4-61-170-150.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:13] it runs a gui like Fluxbox [19:13] mbeep? [19:13] Norgathaal, wow, really small [19:13] whats a good channel for regex help? [19:13] yeah its nice [19:14] Norgathaal slackware is about 2 gig with full install [19:14] i have a .csv file, and want to find the lines with more than five commas... [19:14] nmatrix9 (nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:14] it's too hot [19:14] wow [19:14] slackware confused me [19:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:15] eeEE: (.*,){6} [19:15] eeEE you use sed or perp for your regex scripting? [19:15] perp? [19:15] perl [19:15] karynn,newbien: you rule. [19:15] sed [19:15] newbien: slackware is now a good amount over 2gbs on full install, and has been for a little while... it's up around 2.5 or 2.7gb now [19:15] that won't work in sed [19:15] or bbedit [19:16] sed doesn't support {n} [19:16] but that's counting kde/gnome/etc [19:16] my first instal was slackware [19:16] installed from floppies [19:16] you've mentioned that [19:16] Adumb (~AFC@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:16] would you like a cookie? [19:16] heh [19:16] amrit: yes, please :) [19:16] thanks for the help earlier data... really helped [19:16] karynn, i b a newbie, started with slack 7.1 [19:17] karynn: sorry, i just had dinner... the house is empty [19:17] Action: karynn pouts at amrit [19:17] hehe [19:17] maybe next time :) [19:17] it's not nice to offer food when you don't have any [19:17] agney (~dot@200.217.48.27) joined #linuxhelp. [19:17] it's not nice to take up peoples' sarcastic offers :/ [19:17] Action: Adumb agrees with karynn and scolds amrit [19:17] Action: amrit looks around for support [19:18] oh, i see how it is. [19:18] Action: amrit crosses his arms. [19:18] Action: Adumb agrees with amrit to some extent... but then also feels dumb for wanting a cookie himself [19:18] heh [19:18] j #c++ [19:18] guys [19:19] does anyone here know a program that looks like winamp [19:19] for x? [19:19] blaylock (~sfv100@sdn-ap-037dcwashP0241.dialsprint.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:19] Adumb: xmms [19:19] xmms can even use some winamp skins [19:19] does it work for slackware 10.0? [19:19] hyphenated (~caleb@morannon.eservglobal.co.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [19:19] i looked it up [19:19] Adumb: it works, and is included [19:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:20] Adumb: just run xmms however you prefer... run menu, terminal, etc [19:20] TheBonsai (~bonsai@pD95FC5C4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] got a link? cos what i found was only for redhat and fedora [19:20] Adumb: xmms is included in slackware [19:21] Adumb: open up a terminal (xterm, gnome-terminal, konsole, whatever) and type xmms & [19:21] TheBonsai (~bonsai@pD95FCB3A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:21] meep. [19:21] zort? [19:21] troz [19:21] xmms [19:21] hmm [19:22] it said could not open such file or directory [19:22] Adumb: yes.... having trouble...? [19:22] btw- im AFC from before... someone stole my nick :-( [19:22] Adumb: let's check if you have it installed.... does ls /var/log/packages/xmms* return anything? [19:22] Adumb: ah, heheh [19:22] how you doing AFC [19:23] more problems? [19:23] hehe [19:23] xmms [19:23] it returned a line [19:23] yes [19:23] dikadika (~dikadika@63-229-4-227.tukw.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:23] is there a copy and paste feature in linux? hehe, this is annoying to type it [19:23] lol [19:23] Adumb: then in your terminal, try typing: /usr/bin/xmms [19:23] Adumb: yes.. select with the mouse, paste with middle click [19:23] and copy? [19:24] just hilight? [19:24] autocopy [19:24] Adumb: yes, highlighting with the left button copies it [19:24] bash-2.05b# /usr/bin/xmms [19:24] libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [19:24] you don't have libmikmod installed [19:24] i would suggest installing it [19:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:25] what is that and where would i find it? [19:25] yes. did you only do a partial install for some reason? [19:25] hmmm [19:25] it's on the cd in the gnome dir [19:25] i dont think so [19:25] i told it full... [19:25] cd2, /slackware/gnome/libmikmod*.tgz [19:25] ugh... 2 was lables rescue disk... [19:25] you are in a maze of twisty libraries, all irrelevant [19:25] i guess slack's version is built with gnome support. i'd never noticed that. [19:25] installpkg libmikmod*.tgz [19:25] franl (~Francis@206-15-137-101.dialup.ziplink.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:25] Adumb: that's not all it is [19:25] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp08392498pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:26] ok, well, i have it... how would i go about installing it? [19:26] Adumb: it's the live rescue disc, it has the extra/ dir, and it includes KDE/GNOME.. [19:26] the library that is [19:26] so thats where KDE was... [19:26] hehe [19:26] :-) [19:26] i was sorta searching for that earlier [19:26] Adumb: get the libmikmod-*.tgz file and use installpkg on it [19:26] Adumb: heh. you didn't notice that it asked for disc2 in the installer? [19:26] Adumb: or did you deselect disk sets GNOME and KDE? [19:26] it didnt... [19:26] wierd... [19:26] i told it to install full [19:26] heinola (1000@63.98.3.54) joined #linuxhelp. [19:26] weird, too [19:27] hello all [19:27] but then again... I told it [19:27] and I dont know much [19:27] so [19:27] :-) [19:27] Adumb: well, either way it's easy to fix... you can either download that package and install it from any slackware ftp, or you can download all of disc 2 and install all of gnome/kde at once, which you seem to want to do anyway [19:27] does intel make a good mobo for amd xp running at 333fsb [19:27] as related to running well on linux ? [19:27] heinola: intel doesn't make anything for amd cpus... [19:27] heinola: as a general rule, intel doesn't make motherboards for amds. [19:27] yes, i do [19:28] illecebra (~susan@cs2424250-85.hot.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:28] just one thing though, is KDE better than wmaker? [19:28] in ur opinion? [19:28] hyphenated (~caleb@morannon.eservglobal.co.nz) left irc: Operation timed out [19:28] Adumb: kde has a ton more features. many people consider it to be better for that reason, but it also uses more resources.. so many people don't like it [19:28] Adumb: in my opinion, much better. the best. ;) [19:28] xfce [19:28] hehe [19:28] ok [19:28] so [19:28] Adumb: you can change your wm whenever you want by running "xwmconfig" in slack btw [19:29] kde is evil. [19:29] assuming i want to go with KDE... since im now configured for wmaker, what would i do? [19:29] rofl [19:29] karynn is evil. [19:29] damn mind reader [19:29] too many of them [19:29] yeah, I am not a fan of KDE either [19:29] heh [19:29] amrit: did you have a point? [19:29] gnome is bloated, and kde is evil. [19:29] karynn: my point was.. umm... yes. [19:29] logout of X type xwmconfig and logback in [19:29] All windows managers suck, but gnome is the best. [19:29] gnome isn't even a window manager, silly [19:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [19:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:30] ya [19:30] neither gnome nor kde is a window manager [19:30] yeah [19:30] anyway... [19:30] but they both suck :) [19:30] screen is all the window management anyone really needs, anyway [19:30] Anyone here who has used the "crack" functions of PHP? I need to know where to get a dictionary for crack to use. [19:30] Adumb: grab the 2nd cd, burn it if you want, yadda yadda... mount the 2nd cd. cd to the slackware dir in it, then installpkg gnome/*.tgz kde/*.tgz ....wait... done. exit X, xwmconfig, choose kde, and startx. [19:31] i have the CD [19:31] :-) [19:31] pmcdonnell: drugs are bad, mmkay [19:31] Adumb: ah [19:31] heh [19:31] and i tried installing off of it and found out it was a rescue [19:31] so i sorta discarded it [19:31] i fetched it right now [19:31] so im ready to do whatever it is im supposed 2 [19:31] Adumb: heh! yeah, the 2nd disc doesn't hold an installer, only the first [19:31] Adumb: read those directions i just gave you then :) [19:32] :-) yea... look at my name [19:32] aha (~aha@68-175-48-163.nyc.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:32] haha [19:32] dataw0lf (~children@c-67-166-66-105.client.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [19:32] have him install gnome from cd using the install-pkg script in that dir ? [19:33] the gnome package contains KDE? [19:33] brb building nv modules [19:33] nvm that [19:33] im dumb [19:33] re-read it [19:33] Adumb: ... [19:33] :-) [19:33] heinola: eh? all he needs to do is installpkg it all [19:34] ya theres a script in the kde dir for that ment for the install program i think [19:34] called install-pkg i think [19:34] so i go into xterm and do that stuff u told me, or do i exit wmaker and go to prompt? [19:34] when booting i get a fatal error 'unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address ...'. this happens on any kernel (2.6.x, ) except one called failsafe. i'm d'ling 2.6.8.0.rc2 now, but does anyone have an idea what might be broke on my system? [19:34] i used it before i think back when i forgot gnome in a slack 9.0 instal [19:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:35] but i could be wronge [19:35] so i go into xterm and do that stuff u told me, or do i exit wmaker and go to prompt? [19:37] heinola: ah yeah, for the installer.. no need here [19:37] Adumb: either [19:37] ur going to laugh... yes... i know... but; how do i CD to the slackware dir in the CD? [19:37] lol [19:37] ;-) [19:37] Adumb: do you know how to mount it? usually mount /mnt/cdrom [19:37] Adumb: then just... cd /mnt/cdrom [19:37] bare with me... in a couple weeks ill get better :-) [19:38] Adumb: yeah.. you've got the right attitude at least :) [19:38] hehe [19:38] its fun though, im learning all these commands and stuff :-) [19:38] i think this is the most intense week of my life [19:39] getting linux started [19:39] hehe [19:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:40] hyphenated (~caleb@morannon.eservglobal.co.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [19:40] now that i mounted the drive what do i do? cd slackware? [19:40] Adumb: try having my job for a week and you'll change your mind real fast. [19:40] heheh [19:40] that doesnt work... [19:40] haha [19:40] Adumb: did you cd to the mount point yet? [19:40] yes [19:40] KAl0 (~Kal0@cs6625161-161.austin.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] Action: karynn is so tired of meeting after meeting after meeting [19:41] mount /mnt/cdrom [19:41] cd /mnt/cdrom [19:41] cd slackware [19:41] is that what you did? [19:41] xp__ (~anonymous@w01.proxy.fedex.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:41] yea [19:41] xp__ (~anonymous@w01.proxy.fedex.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:41] bash-2.05b# /mnt/cdrom [19:41] bash: /mnt/cdrom: is a directory [19:41] bash-2.05b# cd [19:41] bash-2.05b# cd slackware [19:41] bash: cd: slackware: No such file or directory [19:41] bash-2.05b# [19:42] oi.. don't flood [19:42] sorry, im new to mirc also :-) [19:42] chodapp (1000@blackbird-day-216-68-113-123.fuse.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:42] Adumb: you forgot the all important "cd" command... which stands for Change Directory.... :) [19:42] anyone know how to install kernel-source on a Debian Based Linu? [19:42] qubes (~qubes@c66-235-4-168.sea2.cablespeed.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:42] linux** [19:42] Adumb: look at the first line you pasted... "/mnt/cdrom" vs "cd /mnt/cdrom" [19:42] haha [19:43] another grep question: i have found empty lines with ^$, but how do you remove those lines? [19:43] LinusGates (LinusTest@d235-191-182.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:43] eeEE: cat "file" | grep -v ^$ > file.new [19:44] Tcl error in script for 'timer1270460': [19:44] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [19:44] Adumb: making progress? [19:44] illecebra (~susan@cs2424250-85.hot.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [19:44] are you suppose to have a /usr/src/linux folder? [19:44] Action: qubes gives amrit a floppy hat [19:44] Norgathaal: only if you have kernel sources [19:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:45] Norgathaal: and then only if you've linked "linux" to one of the kernel sources dirs [19:45] qubes: yay! floppy hat! [19:45] well i just extracted the kernel source into /usr/src [19:45] Norgathaal: not really. /usr/src/linux- maybe. ... [19:45] cya time to eat [19:45] heinola (1000@63.98.3.54) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] hmm its wierd [19:45] Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive,hostbased). [19:45] Norgathaal: yeah.. so you can make a link from what qubes said to "linux" [19:45] MoneyCat (MoneyCat@c-24-125-40-97.va.client2.attbi.com) left #linuxhelp. [19:46] qubes, thanks! i like that trick [19:46] Action: qubes gives eeEE his "grep" patch. [19:46] i dont have a linux folder anywhere [19:46] ok, got to the slackware dir... now installpkg gnome/*.tgz? [19:47] well, that seems to be working [19:47] Nick change: Cwiiis -> Cwiiis[away] [19:47] Adumb: yeah.. and you could've installed kde in the same step, but no worry... after that's done, installpkg kde/*.tgz [19:47] in /usr/src i have kernel-source-2.4.22-xfs, and linux-2.6.7 [19:48] ok, wait though [19:48] for the future [19:48] how do i install more than one at once? [19:48] installpkg gnome/*.tgz installpkg kde/*.tgz [19:48] ? [19:48] installpkg gnome/*.tgz kde/*.tgz [19:48] Adumb: most commands can handle multiple arguments, as is teh case with installpkg.... so just do installpkg kde/*.tgz gnome/*.tgz [19:48] ok, no repeat of the installpkg? [19:49] (or to get fancy) installpkg {kde,gnome}/*.tgz [19:49] Adumb: right.. if you wanna do two commands in a row like you were doing, you'll need a semicolon to separate the two commands, like... installpkg gnome/*.tgz; installpkg kde/*.tgz [19:49] Norgathaal (~dsl@d8-200.rb.gh.centurytel.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [19:49] my monitor gets a lot dimmer when i unplug it [19:49] Adumb: but there's no benefit to doing that in that particular example [19:49] ok [19:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:50] Action: qubes installs UPS batteries in karynn's monitor [19:50] it's still on [19:50] just dimmed a bit [19:50] i could reconfigure it, i suppose [19:50] ... [19:51] your monitor stays on, but gets dimmer when you unplug it? [19:51] wtf? [19:51] ah, that's better [19:51] is this a laptop? [19:51] amrit: indeed. [19:51] actually it has a warning not to use it in your lap [19:51] litage_ (~nick@67.71.55.144) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:51] part of the cooling system is on the underside of the unit [19:52] heh [19:52] smart design [19:53] aha (~aha@68-175-48-163.nyc.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [19:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/10 e/- I/-] [19:55] heat (~John@mail.comglobal.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] btw, i dont know if u understand amrit, but im gonna be thanking u for the rest of my newbie life... ur really helping me out here... seriously, a lot! thanks! [19:57] now that i said that, im gonna leave x and do the xwmconfig thingaling [19:57] bbl or tomorrow, depending on my mom :-\ [19:57] Adumb (~AFC@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] su-|lappy (~root@pcp03415506pcs.kilng01.ct.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:58] another satisfied customer ;) [19:58] Action: qubes gives amrit a raise [19:59] heheh [19:59] Action: amrit hits his connection for lagging [19:59] oooh [19:59] --- Ping reply from calkins.freenode.net : 45.16 second(s) [19:59] awesome [19:59] crys (~cjohnson@64.19.118.2) left irc: "leaving" [20:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/10 e/- I/-] [20:00] Writing user file... [20:00] Writing channel file... [20:00] pmcdonnell (~pmcdonnel@c-24-14-177-21.client.comcast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [20:01] Too many items are known (503 > 500), tidying up [20:01] 64 facts have been forgo.. los... delet... thingy *dribbles* [20:01] litage_ (~nick@67.71.55.144) joined #linuxhelp. [20:01] heinola (1000@63.98.3.66) joined #linuxhelp. [20:02] how can i determine where /mnt/camera is mounted from if it's not listed in fstab? [20:02] mount | grep camera [20:02] Adumb (~AFC@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:02] MooglyGuy (mooglyguy@24.159.46.134) joined #linuxhelp. [20:02] wb Adumb [20:03] im now using KDE... it RULES!!! thanks so much for the help amrit :-) [20:03] It's an outside chance, but are any of you currently running Linux on a PA-RISC-based HP box? [20:03] Adumb: cool.. no prob [20:03] ok, g2g [20:03] see ya [20:03] heinola (1000@63.98.3.66) left irc: Client Quit [20:03] yep [20:03] Adumb (~AFC@pool-141-154-154-154.wma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:03] karynn: see, kde r0x0rz j00r b0x0rz [20:03] Action: qubes lets the poor animal off the hot box. [20:03] qubes: `mount | grep camera` spits this out, which specifies "none": none on /mnt/camera type supermount (rw,dev=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,umask=0022,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850) [20:04] qubes? [20:04] dev=/dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 [20:04] amrit: linux, PS_RISC ... [20:04] looks like that's your device [20:04] qubes: i doesn't get it :/ [20:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/10 e/- I/-] [20:05] litage_: and it's mounted when you take a look at it (the supermount thing in there ...) [20:05] amrit: linux == a pinguin. PA-RISC == hot box. [20:06] qubes: oh, gah.... [20:06] /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 isn't a directory though: brw------- 1 nick root 8, 1 Dec 31 1969 part1 [20:06] it's a device... as it should be... [20:07] franl (~Francis@206-15-137-101.dialup.ziplink.net) left irc: "Time for zzZZzzZZ" [20:07] litage_: "cd"ing into /mnt/camera will cause supermount to try mounting your [20:08] when i hook up my ipod, i can rw to /dev/sda3 though. why am i able to do that with the ipod, but not my digicam? [20:08] sniper! oh no! [20:09] Action: qubes throws a trout at amrit [20:09] snapper! [20:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/10 e/- I/-] [20:10] litage from the supermount info it looks like your camera memory is MS vfat [20:11] newbien: MS as in memory stick or microsoft? [20:12] newpers (1000@ip24-251-151-16.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:12] swimingly (~anotherna@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:12] when I do Xnest -ac -kb :1 I get an error message saying: Unable to open display "" [20:12] litage, microsoft, i doubt you can write from ext2 (linux) to vfat which is microsoft camera memory [20:12] what does this mean? [20:13] Tcl error in script for 'timer1271716': [20:13] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [20:13] DISPLAY isn't set? [20:13] I don't need to have x running at the time i do this, do I [20:13] Action: qubes hasn't ever used Xnest ... [20:13] newbien: err.. writing to vfat/fat is perfectly fine in linux [20:13] newpers: you do have to have X running ... 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[20:35] joined #overflow but didn't want to! [20:38] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [20:38] \dev\bot joined #linuxhelp. [20:38] ruggy (~ruggy@qwest-ftth-clcy-pppoe-ip14.scinternet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:38] iratsu, had a look at /etc/inetd.conf? [20:38] mds [20:38] mew [20:38] iratsu read /etc/inetd.conf [20:38] thank you [20:39] iratsu: grep -v "#" /etc/inetd.conf | less [20:39] Jeronimus (~ask@2-025.mops.RWTH-Aachen.DE) joined #linuxhelp. [20:39] so there is no kernel compile expert willing to help? [20:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/10 e/- I/-] [20:40] paddy : correct. [20:40] not if it's going to be a flood. little excepts help ... [20:40] where could i find one? [20:40] it's rather stormy [20:40] #kernelnewbies [20:40] bla [20:41] kernelnewbies isnt for support [20:42] Trisk[awaay] (~aroha_e@kohatu.meat-pie.ono.quasarnet.org) joined #linuxhelp. [20:42] true ... but they will know the build system better. [20:42] paddy maybe if you describe your problem briefly someone can help [20:42] or lets try to ask simpler: on "make dep" it complains about missing headers in ./scripts [20:42] this is 2.4.x; correct? [20:43] yep [20:43] are stdio.h limits.h etc. in libc6-dev ? [20:43] nesko (~asdfdsakf@ip68-5-182-123.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:44] does backing up .config, running "make mrproper" and trying again help? [20:44] paddy is this your first attempt to compile a kernel on this distro install or box? [20:44] i compiled kernels several times but this is a new install of debian woody, yes [20:45] No longer ignoring *!*@services. (expired) [20:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/10 e/- I/-] [20:45] yes, those includes are part of glibc (qpkg -f /usr/include/stdio.h --> sys-lib/glibc ) [20:45] Jazza (~Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:45] then i know how to fix it, i think [20:46] remember to install ncurses-dev too. [20:46] Action: qubes casts PowerApt! [20:46] dwn (~dwn@u147n29.hfx.eastlink.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [20:46] cow power! [20:46] yep, fixed it [20:47] super cow powers, even [20:47] oh lookie, its getting light outside [20:47] Action: amrit unleashes pkgtool on all the heathens [20:47] aldug (~aldug@alb-24-195-228-2.nycap.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [20:48] Action: chodapp writes "tar -xvzf, ./configure, make, make install" on a brick and hits amrit [20:48] Action: qubes hides under his gentoo rock [20:48] Action: chodapp crosses out Gentoo and writes something else [20:49] Action: amrit gets out of his reclining seat... "Chodaaaaaapp! You're a menace!" [20:49] any one knows what is the threshold for csw(context switches) and icsw(involentary csw) in the mpstat [20:49] Action: chodapp steals amrit's seat [20:49] chandra: try that again in english? ;) [20:49] hehe [20:49] Action: qubes lights the chair on _fire_ [20:49] how can i update my gtk+ libs (i use kde): Requested 'gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0' but version of GTK+ is 2.2.4 [20:49] in the mpstat command [20:49] eek. [20:49] Action: chodapp lights the rock on fire [20:49] Action: amrit _ignites_ [20:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/10 e/- I/-] [20:50] fire! fire! break out the marshmallows! [20:50] what is the measurable thresh hold for icsw and csw [20:50] Action: chodapp reaches for the nearest nonpolar flammable liquid and douses amrit with it [20:50] thrash hold? [20:50] Emil_Zeuthen (~emil@0x50a10d28.boanxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life -" [20:50] shit.... that should be polar nonflammable.... oh well [20:50] Nick change: amrit -> toast [20:50] yes karynn [20:50] arcanium (~michael@42-33.26-24.tampabay.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [20:50] Action: toast *ssssss* [20:51] Action: chodapp sighs [20:51] Action: karynn slices up amrit and serves him with olives and piementos [20:51] from bad to worse :/ [20:51] now i want a greek salad [20:51] Nick change: toast -> amrit [20:51] are you sure you don't want a geek salad? [20:51] haha [20:52] qubes bon apegeek [20:52] ew, no [20:52] geeks smell bad [20:52] Action: chodapp hits amrit with a watermelon [20:53] wha?? [20:53] what'd i do now? [20:53] karynn: the cooks wash them first; they even use soap! [20:54] Action: chodapp makes a grilled watermelon rind sandwich and hands it to amrit [20:54] SharkY (~SharkY@80.172.195.115) joined #linuxhelp. [20:54] hi!!! [20:54] ooh.. interesting.. [20:54] SharkY: HI!! [20:54] how can i backup 100gb to an external USB disk? [20:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/10 e/- I/-] [20:55] the fastest way :-D [20:55] SharkY: 100 gb takes a while to back up [20:55] nah....pretty slow. [20:55] (make sure it's usb2.0 full speed) [20:55] cp -a will do it well enough [20:55] i prefer rsync -aPv [20:55] regeya (yourmom@dialup-4.159.107.41.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:55] and 100gb will take awhile even on full speed disks. [20:55] 100gb over usb? ha-ha! [20:56] Action: ananke couldn't contain himself [20:56] Say.... could I get rsync to compress stuff for me for an incremental backup? [20:56] ananke: over usb2... [20:56] 100 gb will take a while to back up over just about anything [20:56] amrit : i didn't see SharkY say usb2, did you? :) [20:56] chodapp: it'll only stay compressed during transit [20:57] ananke: well.. true... [20:57] i'd hook it up to one of those big-ass tape libraries and use ServerFree or LANFree [20:57] ananke, yup usb2, but my server dont support it :-D [20:57] amrit: Damn... I was trying to find a way to get an incremental backup and have individual files compressed. [20:57] heheh [20:57] sooooo, it works on usb1.1 [20:57] :-p [20:57] dabicho (~dabicho@201.133.68.149) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] chodapp: get a backup solution,. [20:58] amrit, but, can i use rsync localy? [20:58] chodapp: can't have an intermediate stage where you compress them before transferring? [20:58] karynn: Like what? [20:58] SharkY: sure can [20:58] SharkY : it's like saying: my car can go 180mph, but its engine can only get it to 80mph. guess what buddy, you're going 80mph, not 180 :) [20:58] chodapp: tivoli storage manager :) [20:58] TSM EE is only $1250, iirc. [20:58] ananke, i now it [20:58] Action: qubes hands chodapp karynn purse [20:58] tsm rocks [20:58] lol [20:58] amrit: I wasn't sure how to solve it... it had to be an incremental backup, because a full backup was too slow, but I was trying to compress all files on the backup and still make things work incrementally. [20:59] Action: karynn is hoping to be buying one soon [20:59] this backupexec solution we have now bites the giant donkey dong [20:59] Action: chodapp would rather buy a bunch of high-end digital audio hardware [20:59] well, what type of data is this, and how much actually changes? maybe you won't even get much benefit with keeping things ocmpressed... [20:59] chodapp: well, not for me :) [21:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:00] Writing user file... [21:00] Writing channel file... [21:00] amrit: A ton of text files that I keep uncompressed on disk because I edit some of them, and some program code and such. [21:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [21:01] chodapp: how many megabytes does it take to get a ton? [21:01] chodapp: just how much do bits weigh? [21:01] karynn: 6.57 bits/gram, let's see...... [21:01] Thanks, using rsync -aPv i can copy at 35 mbps [21:01] karynn: about 1000 electrons. [21:01] SharkY: that's not bad, faster than this sucky tape drive i have [21:01] chodapp: oh, so it compresses well... how about how often it changes? [21:02] SharkY: errr... how do you do that.... a single usb1 chain can only do 12Mbps.... [21:02] and aren't usb1's devices restricted to like 1.2Mbps each? [21:02] amrit: he's using mystic usb :) [21:02] amrit: Up to a few times a day down to less than once a year or so. [21:02] rsync zip the information at real time, and simulate 35mbps :-D [21:03] rsync -aPvzr [21:03] chodapp: here's a thought... does cvs allow transparent compression? [21:03] amrit: I think so. [21:03] SharkY: ah [21:03] amrit: yeah, cvs -z9 [21:03] chodapp: i'm thinking that would be the better way to do it [21:03] karynn: well, i don't mean just during transit [21:03] all datacomm is run through a compressor [21:03] the cvs storage doesn't compress the files at all though... [21:03] karynn: i mean that on the fs the cvs files would be compressed, but cvs would decompress each one while sending as you requested it [21:03] amrit: oh, when storing in the repository? i'm not sure. i'm sure it could be hackerificated, though [21:03] qubes: oh [21:04] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.112.stowetel.com) left irc: "nite all" [21:04] and rsync, makes comparation of the 2 sides and only copy diferent information [21:04] chodapp: curious, how much data and how much available backup space? [21:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:05] in general, disks keep getting larger and cheeper faster then people want to work on compressed filesystems. the e2compress patch has bitrotted much ... [21:05] yeah.. i wanna make use of that fscking flag [21:06] amrit: Hmmm . . . a few gigs of data and about one gig of backup space... I only back up certain directories.... I tried to make some scripts that could read in config files and skip files that I said were already in archives [21:06] qubes: I was thinking more gzipping each file than any realtime compression [21:07] If I could just convince it that certain files are in archives, and so it's only necessary to copy if it's newer than the archive..... [21:07] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-8.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [21:08] what editor are you using? less can "transparently" decompress gziped/bziped files ... [21:08] What does it matter what editor I use? [21:08] This is with a ton of different types of files [21:08] well, the reason being that maybe you can keep the actual data files compressed too [21:09] if your editor can navigate them transparently [21:09] most of my software won't [21:09] ok [21:09] hmm [21:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:10] you could use something like rar, so you have one big rar file as your backup on the server... and have the client "update" the archive with stuff that's changed [21:10] you'd get some really good compression out of it too, better than bz2 [21:10] I suppose I could use a script to make a ton of zero-byte files with the date of the last archive that the real files are on.... [21:10] I am not using RAR... I have issues with their compressor... and big archives take forever to work with like that. [21:10] mouse works better when plugged in [21:11] heh [21:11] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-8.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [21:11] I thought of that, but you can't update tarballs without first uncompressing. [21:11] chodapp: right... [21:11] chodapp: how about zip... [21:11] Hmmmmmm... don't know. [21:11] Also very slow. [21:11] i don't think you're gonna get around the slowness issue [21:12] either way it's gonna be slow cuz you gotta decompress to check stuff [21:12] If you decompress individual files, it's a hell of a lot faster, especially with gzip. [21:12] And, why? Why not just go by file dates? That's how it works anyway with how it is now. [21:12] chodapp: well, you could use rsync and create hardlinked files(they only take inodes, not free space) and take "snapshots" that only update new/changed files; keep a whole backup and then only save the much smaller changes to that file. only rebase when the changes >= in size to the first snapshot ... [21:13] well, it's not a huge issue, but you can have updated timestamps without changed file content.. you'd just be wasting that space.. [21:13] google freshmeat rsync backup [21:13] freshmeat rsync backup: http://freshmeat.net/projects/rsync-backup/ [21:13] qubes: the thing with that... i don't htink he's even looking to do backup _sets_... but just incremental backup period... [21:13] dimm0k (~nmok@pool-151-204-147-221.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:13] which is right, chodapp? [21:14] A little bit of both. [21:14] grr [21:14] I would like to load some of the files onto CDs and such if they won't change much - but designate that they are archived. [21:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:15] But, likewise, do an automated incremental backup every night. [21:15] i guess you're looking at a fair amount of scripting, eh? [21:15] Perhaps. [21:15] Oadae (~jason@wsip-24-234-45-63.lv.lv.cox.net) left #linuxhelp ("Toodles."). [21:16] I had a Python script that did an okay job, and it could do an incremental compressed backup very quickly, but there were some issues with filenames and things and it never worked right. [21:16] rsync-backup may be what I need..... I don't know. [21:17] rsync-backup just does a rotating set of backups... [21:17] that won't do the compression, and will actually eat a little more space than you're planning to... [21:17] well, it says it encrypts the data, and only ships changed data, and maybe I could hack it to compress too. [21:17] (that only use space for changed files) [21:17] and some encryption like GPG will compress automatically for you. [21:18] grey (~grey@Sudbury-HSE-ppp3979820.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [21:18] it likely uses rsync over ssh, which is fairly common [21:18] hmmm [21:19] and i haven't ever used rsync-backup, but i'm willing to bet it's just a wrapper around the rsync binary [21:19] in which case you'd still need to hack up rsync itself [21:19] well, rsync over rhost is just plain dumb. :) [21:19] rsync over rsync! [21:19] Maybe I'll just try to fix my own script to work much better...... [21:19] It worked extremely well, surprisingly, save a few issues. [21:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:20] yeah [21:20] Hmmm..... if I ignore the compression, does any software just do the incremental backups, taking into consideration what's already backup elsewhere? [21:21] tar will, but if it's a compressed archive it will have to uncopress it to check to see what's changed (I believe it uses time stamps to tell what's been updated) [21:22] rsync does incremental backups... and that rsync-backup thing will do a rotating set of incremental backups... and the sets will share in common any files that haven't changed ,as they'll be hardlinked [21:22] firmlinks [21:22] Action: qubes gives karynn here POSIX manual back. [21:23] mmm... links.. [21:23] qubes: Well, I have some files backed up on CD, and I was trying to figure out how to only update a file backed up to a CD if it was newer than the CD. [21:24] qubes: and it seems I need the archive right in front of me for tar to work like that. [21:24] yes. tar is "dumb" like that ... but I don't think there is an "archive" bit like fat has (but didn't use for anything) [21:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:25] The script I had looked at config files that would tell what files were archived and when..... but I never finished it, really [21:25] LinusGates (LinusTest@d235-191-182.home1.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:25] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-8.aei.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [21:25] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [21:25] chodapp: if I'm every over supplied with 250g disks, you'll get the first one. [21:25] Ok, fair enough. [21:26] haha [21:26] on "make config" the only file that is created is "Makefile", right? [21:27] not really. you get .config from "make config" [21:27] by what is the Makefile created then? [21:27] it is a shipped file (it doesn't get changed by make config) [21:28] hm [21:28] but it was touched cause it has todays date [21:29] make "touches" any makefile ... that's how it tells when it started a "make" to figure out what files might need to be recomputed. [21:29] qubes: i've never observed that [21:29] recompiled/built ... [21:29] interesting [21:29] karynn: or so I've read. I've never checked. ... [21:29] qubes: it doesn't [21:29] i just checked [21:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [21:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:30] AF5 (~AF5@adsl-66-142-222-142.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:30] could i copy .config and copy it to a new source dir and would save the effort going through make config again? [21:30] i didn't think so either [21:30] when i run gtkpod, it says 'Could not open "/mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB.ext"', but if i run it as root, that error doesn't occur. i have /mnt/ipod set to 777. how can i fix this? [21:30] paddy: yes. [21:31] litage_: do ls -ld /mnt/pod while it's actually mounted.. is it still 777? [21:31] dimm0k (~nmok@pool-151-204-147-221.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:31] amrit: yes, it is [21:32] uhh.. no idea what's goin on then [21:34] amrit: `mount` says that /mnt/ipod is /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 which is brw------- [21:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:35] that shouldn't matter, you're not writing directly to the device, but to the fs... [21:35] hrm [21:37] SharkY (~SharkY@80.172.195.115) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:38] maroon5 (~maroon5@cm18.omega17.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Client Quit [21:38] never set a device ot 777 [21:38] it lets anyone on the system scribble randomly on the drive [21:39] the mount point is 777 [21:39] the mount point doesn't matter either [21:39] nmatrix9 (nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) left #linuxhelp. [21:39] it's concealed by the root of the mounted filesystem [21:39] er... well, the mount itself. [21:39] Action: amrit bites karynn [21:39] Action: karynn thwaps amrit with a mounted noodle. [21:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:40] Action: amrit scratches his head [21:40] was that a veiled reference to a synthetic phallus? [21:40] you wish [21:40] determinist (~determini@ts46-04-qdr335.mdfrd.or.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:41] i wouldn't waste one of my dildos on you, m'dear [21:41] now taking bets on whether determinist's scared off [21:41] Me? Never! [21:41] asciiwhite (~asciiwhit@ppp193-168.lns1.syd2.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:41] karynn: bring on the dildos! [21:41] does linux support pci-express ? [21:42] Uh, wait [21:42] asciiwhite: no. [21:42] thx qubes [21:42] Action: karynn forgets what pci express is [21:42] asciiwhite: patches accepted though! :) [21:42] karynn: like pci, but faster [21:42] karynn: Some buzzword. Throw in "low carb" and you're all set to sell lots of it. [21:42] Anyway, I got a dildo I need extracting. As an admitted newbie, I'm having trouble installing Alsa Player [21:43] 3) Profit! [21:43] :) [21:43] determinist: lol [21:43] "Low Carb PCI Express".... who can argue with that? [21:43] determinist: er, wait.. alsa _player_? is there such a thing? [21:43] Maybe that's the problem ;) [21:43] Yeah [21:43] amrit: yes. slack prabably doesn't have it. ;) [21:43] There is [21:44] I've used it, though mostly I used other stuff [21:44] It's supposed to play MP3 and such [21:44] Inv_Arp (junya@adsl-10-144-18.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:44] heh, so there is... never heard of it before [21:44] I just use XMMS [21:44] or CLI tools [21:44] yes.. CLI fool! [21:44] s [21:44] :/ [21:44] chodapp (~hodapp@blackbird-day-216-68-113-20.fuse.net) left irc: [21:44] go madplay! [21:44] mjeeeeep [21:44] I can't seem to find the plug in for MP3 for XMMS, btw [21:44] amrit, Nvidia sells some nice spec'ed pci-express video cards retevely cheap in comparision to the AGP ones with same specs [21:44] i.e 300 to 800 diff [21:44] determinist: what distro you on? [21:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:45] And I'm running F2 [21:45] asciiwhite: really... [21:45] determinist: i wonder if they're still following redhat's example of not including mp3 support [21:45] It came with this vague disclaimer and a "Place setter" for the mp3 plug in [21:45] ah. [21:45] Yes [21:45] determinist: it didn't say how to install the mp3 plugin? [21:45] ndowens (0@64.178.239.84) joined #linuxhelp. [21:45] No [21:45] amrit, http://www.eyo.com.au/details_D-EN5750-TD-128.html [21:45] for example [21:46] can i use rsync to download a iso file? [21:46] So I went hunting and found this well touted "Alsa Player" [21:46] determinist: i bet visiting #fedora would get you a quick answer on the mp3 plugin... after that, are you even gonna need alsaplayer? :) [21:46] ndowens: assuming the iso is hosted on an rsync server, yes [21:46] But the install instructions use a funky command [21:46] how, i can't figure it out [21:46] determinist: join #fedora and look at topic..it will have an FAQ page [21:46] i seen the rsync server [21:46] u will find it at rpm.livna.org [21:46] and i try something like rsync address/file.iso [21:46] amrit, maybe I should hunt at #fedora [21:46] ndowens: rsync -aPv rsync://server/module/file . <--- note the dot, current directory, or whatever you want [21:47] asciiwhite: timing out... [21:47] thx [21:47] yeah just noticed [21:47] sorry [21:47] determinist: yeah.. you won't need alsaplayer then [21:47] anyway, just for fun, does this command look right to you? [21:47] sorry, phone call [21:47] now back [21:48] determinist: http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/2/i386/RPMS.stable/ but please go in #fedora and look for the FAQ [21:48] here's this command; I understand it compiles a C code and such, but I don't know the proper syntax [21:48] Installation should be as simple as doing a ./configure;make install [21:48] Use ./configure --prefix=/path/to/install to change the default install [21:48] location of /usr/local. I install alsaplayer in my /opt tree so I configure it [21:48] as follows: [21:48] ./configure --prefix=/opt [21:48] The alsaplayer binary will then be placed in /opt/bin after the make install. [21:48] (it is in /usr/local/bin by default). For a complete list of configure options [21:48] run the configure script with --help [21:48] gah.. don't flood [21:49] that wasn't nice. [21:49] please don't do that again [21:49] determinist: it's really as simple as it says.... [21:49] Well, apparently I'm even simpler [21:49] determinist: you can get away with just doing "./configure", and then "make" and then "make install" as root... [21:49] determinist: haha [21:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:50] determinist: that'll install it ok... there are smarter ways to do things, but... i think that'll just get a little complicated for now [21:50] i get this error message saying one of the files is missing. [21:50] BTW, I appreciate all the help thus far [21:50] sure [21:51] determinist: just install the xmms-mp3 package from the link i posted [21:52] determinist: that too.. pay attention to waht su-|lappy's been telling you :) [21:52] ndowens (0@64.178.239.84) left irc: "Leaving" [21:52] Ok. but just for fun, and maybe I'll learn something, this is my error message: [21:52] error: cannot find sources (app/CorePlayer.cpp) in . or .. [21:52] uhh.... [21:52] sounds like an error in the way they packaged stuff. [21:53] Yeah, that's what I was thinking or the unpacking didn't work right [21:53] Well, anyway, I'll scroll up and read everyone's sage advice [21:53] I just wanted to see what you folks thought of the error message [21:54] Action: amrit nods [21:54] OK, I'm done; I'll now read and follow all the good advice; thanks again [21:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/10 e/- I/-] [21:55] welcome [21:56] <_sho_> sup amrit [21:56] yo sho [21:56] <_sho_> did you scribble all over your cpu to make it mp? [21:56] heheh.. i would've if i had a smp board [21:56] i take it you did some reading last night? [21:57] <_sho_> thats some scary shit dude [21:57] mmmmooooooooo [21:57] <_sho_> http://www.unixgods.org/~tilo/Do-it-yourself-dual-XP2800-workstation.html [21:57] yeah, that's the stuff _sho_ [21:57] _sho_: i tried to unlock my 1600+ a couple years ago... and heh, i was so stupid... [21:57] <_sho_> i played doom3 [21:58] Tcl error in script for 'timer1272605': [21:58] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [21:58] <_sho_> i own doom3 [21:58] _sho_: i was being impatient and didn't let stuff dry and whatnot... i ended up locking it to 1500+, lol [21:58] <_sho_> rofl [21:58] <_sho_> you sucker [21:58] _sho_: heh.. what do you think of it? [21:58] <_sho_> my computer cries like a bitch when it boots up doom3 [21:58] <_sho_> note the words "boots up" [21:58] asciiwhite (~asciiwhit@ppp193-168.lns1.syd2.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:58] _sho_: it's ok though... lower multiplier allowed me to go with a higher bus speed.. so now it's at 1490 mhz, 90 mhz above stock... not optimal, but it works for me [21:58] haha [21:58] <_sho_> it takes a solid 1-3 minutes to start a map [21:59] damn [21:59] so does it do smp? [21:59] <_sho_> the guys look like quake2 guys with no skins [21:59] <_sho_> heh [21:59] <_sho_> no clue, i only have one cpu jacked in [21:59] hah [22:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:00] Writing user file... [22:00] Writing channel file... [22:00] <_sho_> im running it at 640x480 [22:00] <_sho_> with low detail [22:00] <_sho_> everything turned off [22:00] yeah [22:00] that's how most people will have to run it [22:00] <_sho_> even so, the game, _friggin scary_ [22:00] only cuz they only used one color... black. [22:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [22:01] <_sho_> man, game is fucking hard too [22:01] <_sho_> those cute little spider demons you see? [22:01] <_sho_> pop pop pop and they are dead [22:01] <_sho_> but, reality check [22:01] <_sho_> everytime you get hit you twitch [22:02] <_sho_> constantly misfire all over the corridor [22:02] haha [22:02] <_sho_> and them bastards _never_ come solo [22:02] i didn't play it that long [22:02] <_sho_> "o look, its one of those cute little spider demons..." [22:02] is it actually _fun_, or do you really just end up chasing the darkness with your flashlight? [22:02] <_sho_> meanwhile, an army creeps up behind you.... [22:02] <_sho_> o, its fun as shit [22:02] <_sho_> and scary [22:03] <_sho_> and nothing beats popping some dumb ass scientist in the head for being in a dangerous spot [22:03] heh [22:03] <_sho_> (_sho_ rounds corner, o shit! pop pop... "Dont shoot me.... groan") [22:03] <_sho_> hahahaha [22:03] haha [22:04] <_sho_> o [22:04] <_sho_> and you absolutely must do the "side" quests [22:04] <_sho_> or you will get annhilated [22:04] .. [22:04] "quests"? [22:04] this is *DOOM* [22:04] <_sho_> yes, quests [22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:05] this is what pissed me off about the intro level [22:05] i want to SHOOT SHIT [22:05] that's why i'm playing DOOM [22:05] <_sho_> o, you shoot plenty of shit [22:05] stop bugging me with PDAs and crap [22:05] <_sho_> but if your stupid, your not gonna make it very far [22:05] <_sho_> theres some marine holed up in service room 4 [22:06] <_sho_> i gotta go rescue him today i think [22:06] <_sho_> getting through the level without him, _impossible_ [22:06] <_sho_> i got jacked up by an imp, 3 spiders, and some weird twoheaded thing [22:06] <_sho_> insta-fraged [22:06] <_sho_> well, no, no instafrag [22:06] uh, this is #linuxhelp, not #doom [22:06] <_sho_> more like, very slow, painful, i wish you would stop chewing my limbs off so i can shoot you death [22:07] heh [22:07] karynn: this also wasn't #management_sucks :) [22:07] karynn, sorry for the flood awhile ago; not intentional; I forgot I had copied so much to my clip [22:07] <_sho_> karynn: this is helping linux users.... im making them aware that doom3 for linux is suicidal and will lead to many lost sysadmin jobs due to lack of sleep [22:07] haha [22:07] I was originally pasting to a file for saving. [22:08] my job should be safe. i don't plan on playing doom3. [22:08] <_sho_> thats the insidious part... nobody ever thinks they will, untill its too late.... [22:08] Well, I'm off to the wilds of #fedora [22:08] good luck [22:09] Good night all and thanks again [22:09] well, considering i don't plan on buying it, i don't use windows, i don't have a fancy video card, and i don't have time - i think i'm fairly safe. [22:09] slackem (1000@ool-182c58aa.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:09] ananke: ah, but see... linux version comes soon [22:09] determinist (~determini@ts46-04-qdr335.mdfrd.or.charter.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [22:09] ananke: beware! [22:09] su-|lappy (~root@pcp03415506pcs.kilng01.ct.comcast.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.64b [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040707]" [22:09] amrit : the only games i enjoy playing are things on playstation1 :) [22:09] keter (~keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:10] i'm sick and tired of shoot'em up fancy fps crap [22:10] Action: slackem loves FPS [22:10] ananke: what about RTSes [22:10] everyone loves rtses! [22:11] Citadel_ (citadel@chef.nerp.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:11] amrit : name one, i'm drawing a blank [22:11] i dont like em [22:11] ananke: C&C [22:11] i like Age of Empires [22:11] slackem: you, sir, suck [22:11] amrit: weeeeee [22:11] Jazza (Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:11] amrit : actually, i've never had a chance to play c&c, from what i hear, i'm missing out a lot [22:12] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-8.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [22:12] amrit : i used to play lots of warcraft/starcraft, if that's anything similar [22:12] ahh Q [22:12] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-8.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:12] ananke: sure as hell are... quick overview.. top view games with two sides, build up your base, collect resources, build ground/air/naval offense/defense, and blow stuff up [22:12] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [22:12] can i still have voip service with DSL? [22:12] i was thinking about it [22:12] ananke: yeah, very similar.. except C&C generals takes blowing up major stuff to a whole new level.. it's awesome :) [22:12] k, sounds like starcraft/warcraft. yeah, i like games like that [22:12] cuz dsl is thru phone line and voip needs net in order to work [22:13] Action: amrit goes to hunt for soda [22:13] Action: slackem wants 1 too [22:13] i wish freeciv would be nicer [22:14] ndowens (0@64.178.239.84) joined #linuxhelp. [22:14] amrit could u plz tell me again what the command was [22:14] rsync -avz rsync://url/file . [22:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:15] or something [22:15] PyRo-MaNiAc (~ur-mom@user-1121tki.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:15] ANyone here? [22:15] first time i've used rsync [22:16] ndowens: rsync -aPv rsync://host/module/file . [22:16] ndowens: look up -a, -P, and -v in man rsync.. it'll help you remember [22:16] k thx [22:16] PyRo-MaNiAc: nobody at all... [22:16] I see that [22:16] lol [22:16] -_- feelss welcome [22:16] heheh [22:16] how are you this fine evening [22:16] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.91.206) joined #linuxhelp. [22:16] or morning [22:16] qubes (~qubes@c66-235-4-168.sea2.cablespeed.com) left #linuxhelp ("Client exiting"). [22:17] what's the difference between RealPlayer10 & HelixPlayer10 ? [22:17] ah got it [22:17] RealPlayer is built on Helix i believe [22:17] Helix is opensource in and of itself [22:17] realplayer is (obviously) not [22:18] both do same thing? [22:18] support same files? [22:18] keter (keter@ool-44c27434.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:18] I think you cant really use helix by itself [22:18] think of real as a frontend to helix [22:18] oh [22:19] but they arent two packages for what most people will be using them for [22:19] eg. watching realmedia files [22:19] How would I make my /usr/share/games/freeciv and all its contents available to all users [22:19] just realplayer [22:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:20] 'chmod -R 6666 /usr/share/games/freeciv' [22:20] not 6666. [22:20] 755. [22:21] that won't allow writes though, if you're looking for that. [22:21] he said access [22:21] so i guess it could be read access [22:21] heheh [22:21] <_sho_> which would be 644 [22:21] <_sho_> or 744 [22:22] thx [22:22] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.91.206) left #linuxhelp. [22:22] thsx2 (bavarian@dsl-57-8.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [22:22] ndowens (0@64.178.239.84) left irc: "Leaving" [22:22] bavarian (bavarian@dsl-57-8.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:22] Nick change: thsx2 -> bavarian [22:22] PyRo-MaNiAc: how do you read a dir without x perm? [22:23] I have an issue with my laptop, whenever I exit X (back to my framebuffer console) my screen gets all screwed up (as if the refresh rate is off or somthing) [22:23] I really meant 7777 [22:23] ^_^ [22:23] but im tired [22:23] and it was taken care of [22:23] you meant 777. [22:24] nesko (~asdfdsakf@ip68-5-182-123.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:24] nekso (~asdfdsakf@ip68-5-182-123.oc.oc.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:24] <_sho_> chmod -R 666! sign of the apocalypse! all bow before doom3! [22:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:25] can anyone tell me if there is a log file that would show usb requests ie) the extra web/volume buttons on a USB keyboard [22:25] any ideas? [22:25] xev should do it in real time [22:25] Anyone know a list of all the Gentoo user groups and what they do? [22:26] NetEcho: there is one on the Gentoo Site [22:26] know the section? [22:26] http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml [22:26] iirc [22:26] thx [22:27] np [22:27] oh no [22:27] I meant for adduser [22:27] not mail lists [22:27] oh [22:27] lol [22:27] Action: NetEcho shoulda phrased better [22:28] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/index.xml?showlevel=1 [22:28] is that what you meant [22:28] those are the teams [22:28] nope lol [22:28] ok [22:28] here is an example [22:28] adduser jordan users,wheel,games [22:28] OH [22:28] lol [22:28] my bad [22:29] its ok [22:29] <-- bad wording [22:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [22:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:30] I dont know if there would be one, i mean there are specific groups in gentoo [22:30] but I couldd add all kinds of groups if I wanted too [22:30] is there maybe a file with all of em in it? [22:30] I wanna know what all groups there are so I can set my account up nicely [22:31] the groups are all listed in /etc/group [22:31] Nick change: _KonvIRC -> johz [22:31] slackem (1000@ool-182c58aa.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:32] thanks amrit [22:32] <_sho_> tickle tickle amrit [22:32] heh [22:33] <_sho_> sorry, i was possessed by a "lost soul" [22:33] _sho_: you've convinced me.. i think i'll reboot and try doom3.. on this box this time [22:33] heh [22:33] <_sho_> you fool! [22:33] <_sho_> you will never come out alive! [22:33] ... [22:33] <_sho_> it will consuuuuuuuume your soooooooooooul! [22:33] that's a risk i'm willing to take [22:33] i've got a few hours before i need to sleep [22:33] <_sho_> on that note, can i have your computer [22:34] haha [22:34] if my soul is consumed? sure [22:34] <_sho_> you wont be needing it where your going.... [22:34] <_sho_> _into the bowels of hell_ [22:34] <_sho_> muhahah [22:34] haha [22:34] ok, game time [22:34] I wish there was an explanation on all the groups [22:34] amrit (~amrit@2001:618:4c8:0:250:8dff:fee3:b6fd) left irc: "dizzoom thrizzee" [22:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:35] xterminus (~cmauch@c-24-19-88-65.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:35] squidly (sfdc@security-forums.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [22:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:40] chandra (~chandoos@mars.mds.com.sg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] chandra (~chandoos@mars.mds.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [22:42] loging out be right back [22:42] NetEcho (~jordan@cable-63-135-30-8.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:43] NetEcho (~jordan@cable-63-135-30-8.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:44] Jeronimus (~ask@2-025.mops.RWTH-Aachen.DE) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:44] does anyone know if there is a good website out there that tells laptop compatabilities with linux? [22:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:45] blaylock (~sfv100@sdn-ap-037dcwashP0241.dialsprint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:49] http://www.linux-on-laptops.com [22:49] or org [22:49] or net [22:49] somthing [22:49] lol [22:49] NetEcho: [22:49] as far as Gentoo goes [22:49] the only groups that you need gentoo specificc would be: [22:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:50] amrit (R00T@c-67-180-11-57.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:50] <_sho_> sup amrit [22:50] games: access to playing games installed by portage [22:50] god.. have i mentioned how much i love windows [22:50] i wonder how many times i've rebooted already [22:50] wheel: ability to substitute user ( 'su' ) [22:51] portage: ability to examine the portage tree (emerge -p -S -s info etc) [22:51] other than that [22:51] they are pretty standard [22:52] Does anyone have any ideas about my problem? [22:52] what probleM? [22:52] whenever I exit X (back to my framebuffer console) my screen gets all screwed up (as if the refresh rate is off or somthing) [22:52] screwed up how? [22:53] the screen rolls and is all distorted like I have set the refresh rates to somthing that is impossable for my screen [22:53] oh... [22:53] and it doesn't correct itself? [22:53] nope [22:54] <_sho_> amrit: should be only one reboot [22:54] <_sho_> for dx 9.0b/doom3 install and thats it [22:54] and the thing is, the framebuffer is fine before I launch X (xorg really) [22:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/10 e/- I/-] [22:55] and even better, if I launch xorg with a resolution of 640x480 I can exit it just fine (i am using a 1024x768 framebuffer) [22:55] MoneyCat (yes@c-24-125-40-97.va.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:56] _sho_, i haven't run windows in a while.. it had a lot of updates to do [22:57] Norgathaal (~dsl@d8-200.rb.gh.centurytel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:57] hey has anyone installed kernel-source-2.4.33-xfs on Damn Small Linux? [23:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:00] Writing user file... [23:00] Writing channel file... [23:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... 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[23:12] ok, let's try this damn thing now [23:12] Action: amrit afk [23:12] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|DM3 [23:13] spike (~spike@spike.registered) joined #linuxhelp. [23:14] 'morning [23:14] <_sho_> sup spike [23:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:15] 'lo _sho_ . did u manage to get that .htaccess thing working? [23:15] juice (~juice@mo-69-68-209-218.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:15] <_sho_> yeah [23:16] <_sho_> amrit just sold his soul to the devil [23:16] <_sho_> hes playing doom3 [23:16] <_sho_> soon, his computer will be all mine [23:17] Skeld (~damnsmall@24.229.35.95) joined #linuxhelp. [23:17] can anyone help me? im having a problem with dhcp [23:18] when i boot it wont broadcast, says : skipping DHCP broadcast as requested on command bootline , but lilo.conf doesnt have that option given to it [23:19] _sho_: ehehe, I even didnt know doom existed anymore [23:19] Skeld: cat /proc/cmdline [23:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:20] hi :) [23:20] i am collecting sar statistics on my machine [23:20] i am taking average of sar output after few iterations [23:20] spike:yeah, its got nodhcp listed there [23:20] but how did it get there? [23:21] now i want to insert date in the line [23:21] how to do that [23:21] Skeld: ;) [23:21] i swear it aint in lilo.conf [23:21] Skeld: no idea, but at least we're sure about the prob [23:22] a start [23:22] any ideas on where to go from here? [23:22] Skeld: which distro are u running? fedora? [23:23] damnsmall [23:23] its knoppix based [23:23] nmatrix9 (nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [23:24] hoooray! [23:24] ummm....yippee?? [23:24] Skeld: a debian user is always pleasure ;) [23:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:25] I can't do fedora/mandrake support :P [23:25] ahh [23:25] well hooray then [23:25] p00p_ (~p00p@c-67-172-53-228.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:25] Skeld: ehehe [23:25] Skeld: so, go into /etc [23:26] Skeld: probably that arg is set somewhere into startup scripts [23:26] nekso (~asdfdsakf@ip68-5-182-123.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] ummm [23:26] whats an arg? [23:26] arg = nodhcp, arg short for argument [23:26] thats what i say when im frustrated [23:26] ah [23:27] sry, I just woke up and a need more coffe... [23:27] so what do i need here? text editor? [23:27] Skeld: grep -ri nodhcp * [23:27] run that inside /etc/init.d [23:28] slow, but its workin [23:28] nothing [23:28] and see if it returns something. if not, cd .. and repeat the grep command [23:29] can i paste 3 lines? [23:29] Skeld: about grep telling u recursive loop and such? [23:29] nvm, all it found was bash history [23:29] Skeld: ok, go into /etc, and re-run the grep [23:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [23:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:30] nodhcp could be hiding into /etc/network/interfaces .... [23:30] p00p (~p00p@c-67-172-53-228.client.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:30] i checked that too, /etc/network/interfaces is set to dhcp [23:31] Skeld: grep yet returns nothing? [23:31] init.d/knoppix-autoconfig:if checkbootparam "nodhcp" || [ -f "/tmp/netconfig" ] ; then [23:32] uuumh, that seems just to check if nodhcp is set or not... not actually to set it... [23:32] Skeld: are u sure it's not in lilo.conf right? [23:32] thats what i thought to [23:32] positive [23:32] ive been at this for a week [23:32] Grommet (~grommet@12-223-60-93.client.insightbb.com) joined #linuxhelp. [23:32] learned alot so far, just not enough to fix it [23:32] Skeld: and u re-run lilo? [23:32] yes [23:33] ok... let's see [23:33] Action: spike thinks... [23:33] Grommet (~grommet@12-223-60-93.client.insightbb.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:33] think slow, im gonna go make a pot of coffee [23:33] Skeld: well u could just remove that check to get dhcp working, then we'll keep investigating the issue [23:34] Grommet (~grommet@12-223-60-93.client.insightbb.com) joined #linuxhelp. [23:34] Skeld: ok, so I'll do, I'm kinda sleepy [23:34] Skeld: brb [23:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:35] Nick change: spike -> spike|coffee [23:36] Grommet (~grommet@12-223-60-93.client.insightbb.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:37] Tcl error in script for 'timer1275820': [23:37] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [23:39] alright im back [23:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:44] chandra (~chandoos@mars.mds.com.sg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:45] chandra (~chandoos@mars.mds.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [23:46] @400000004110862d1aa65594 /usr/bin/perl: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: failed to map segment from shared object: Cannot allocate memory [23:46] any ideas on that? [23:47] Norgathaal (~dsl@d8-200.rb.gh.centurytel.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [23:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:51] Nick change: spike|coffee -> spike [23:51] Skeld: me too [23:51] cool [23:51] so, lilo doesn't set that, and in the whole /etc nodhcp is not mentioned but for that check, right? [23:52] correct [23:52] i was thinking id comment out the line where it starts with if, and the next line and the third which just says else [23:52] frog_ (~magdalena@wb2x15.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de) left irc: "Client Exiting" [23:52] sound right? [23:53] yep, disabling the check should let your system ignoring the nodhcp argument and start dhcp properly [23:54] s/ignore/ignoring [23:54] are those the lines i need to comment out though? [23:54] arf, s/ignoring/ignore [23:54] Skeld: join #flood [23:54] im there [23:54] Skeld: and paste there content of that file, just relevant lines [23:54] Skeld: so I can have a look and tell u what to comment out [23:54] just that section you mean? [23:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/10 e/- I/-] [23:55] Skeld: yeah, few lines before and after nodhcp [23:55] from init.d/knoppix-autoconfig [23:56] can someone help me clean my system up [23:56] spike: thats the whole section [23:56] Skeld: looking [23:56] the next lines are comments [23:59] Skeld: k [23:59] AzMoo[w] (~AzMoo@eth4931.sa.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:59] Skeld (~damnsmall@24.229.35.95) left irc: "Client Exiting" [00:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/10 e/- I/-] [00:00] --- Wed Aug 4 2004 [00:00] Backing up user file... [00:00] Backing up channel file...