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[00:00] <jenna> I mean didnt u start this mac talk i.e ?
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[00:01] <vogue> jenna : yea, but I don't have one... i just wanted to know if a webpage looked messed up in safari, but then i thought better of it and asked in #web
[00:02] <jenna> hmm. okay.
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[00:03] <jenna> anyones else with lin+mac combination ?
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[00:05] <zo> im looking for a dedicated servers with high limit transfer , do anyknows any?
[00:06] <vogue> zo, how much transfer?
[00:06] <vogue> zo, server beach seems pretty good...
[00:06] <zo> vogue, over 1000 gb per month
[00:06] <zo> beach?
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[00:09] <zo> vogue, ?
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[00:10] <vogue> zo, i believe so
[00:10] <vogue> im sure they can go as high as you want to pay :)
[00:10] <zo> vogue, but what do you mean through server beacg?
[00:10] <zo> beach
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[00:17] <spike> can anybody suggest a rss aggregator?
[00:18] <vogue> zo, yea
[00:18] <daniel> Hm liferea
[00:18] <jenna> rsss ?
[00:18] <daniel> zo: I guess he means something similar to "server farm"
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[00:19] <zo> i see.
[00:19] <daniel> err no
[00:19] <daniel> He means a service called "Server Beach" ;-)
[00:19] <zo> :)
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[00:19] <zo> http://www.serverbeach.com
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[00:20] <zo> - No Cogent
[00:20] <zo> , what does it means
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[00:26] <jenna> the prices are for real ?
[00:27] <jenna> they seem dirt cheap .
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[00:28] <zo> jenna, on server beach?
[00:28] <jenna> yeah
[00:29] <zo> yes quite cheap
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[00:30] <jenna> anyone of u guys used 8 processor systems.
[00:30] <jenna> hows the performance ?
[00:31] <zo> huh for sure not on dedicated servers:)
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[01:24] <boerst> moin
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[01:29] <spike> uhm, I've just re-read man diff but seems it can't do what I need...
[01:29] <spike> which is the way to diff 2 dirs and get only file not in one dir?
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[01:30] <mitrick> hello i need help for macromedia flash player 7
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[01:36] <kasc> spike: you could do it with diff -x ;)
[01:37] <kasc> morning, btw
[01:37] <spike> kasc: ?
[01:37] <spike>        -x PAT  --exclude=PAT
[01:37] <spike>               Exclude files that match PAT.
[01:37] <kasc> something like diff -x `ls onedir`
[01:38] <kasc> should be more refined but i think this could be a way ;)
[01:38] <spike> don't think so ;) 'morning btw
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[01:39] <kasc> maybe with a little wrapper script and -X ;)
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[01:42] <usr13> Will "number of hits" slow down or degrade performance of a firewall?  (like 1,000 to 3,000 hits per day)?
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[02:05] <L-i-n-u-X> are true the news about md5 hacked?
[02:05] <GwaiLo_> huh ?
[02:05] <L-i-n-u-X> http://news.com.com/Crypto+researchers+abuzz+over+flaws/2100-1002_3-5313655.html
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[02:11] <RichiH> L-i-n-u-X: noone knows for sure, yet, i am afraid
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[02:13] <RichiH> it seems they found a collision for sha-0 O(2^51), but no real info on the supposed collision finding of md5 and sha-1, yet
[02:13] <RichiH> though last time i checkd, it seemed the initialisation vectors of the md5 crack were wrong (they mixed up the endianess.. duh), but that should be no problem to correct, i fear
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[02:17] <spike> they were (checked this morning too)
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[02:26] <newbien> good mornig linux world
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[02:31] <spike> not that good...
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[02:33] <newbien> oops, bottom line is we survived yesterday and that is good
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[02:38] <newbien> interesting variety of questions and ppl yesterday
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[02:39] <spike> newbien: "interestin variety" is a distorted vision of "noobs asking dumb questions" ;)
[02:39] <Badger> that bad ?
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[02:40] <newbien> a few ppl seemed edgy and were easily insensed by inocuous comments
[02:41] <Badger> ah
[02:41] <newbien> musta been the phase of the moon ;)
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[02:42] <newbien> bad moon risin
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[02:44] <Tames> I edited edit ~/.gtkrc .. and it doesn't change xchat look.. (yes, I have restarted it) any idea please?
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[02:47] <Badger> Tames - is there something you need to do in ~/.xchat/xchat.config?
[02:48] <usr13> Where or what is a tool to determine what PCs on a network are using [excessive] bandwidth?
[02:49] <spike> usr13: bandwidth monitors
[02:49] <hellz_hunter> help im being driven nuts by procmail
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[02:50] <hellz_hunter> for everything its worth
[02:50] <hellz_hunter> it wont stop telling me that my procmailrc file is 'suspicious'
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[02:52] <spike> usr13: depending on the complexity of your network and level of details u need they go from nload to nagios or ntop, or rddtools
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[03:08] <newbien> starting to see patterns in the frequency of questions asked
[03:09] <newbien> mail, server and cdrecord questions were numerous yesterday
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[03:10] <RichiH> spike: do you know of any command line tool that can show you what program uses how much bandwidth?
[03:11] <spike> RichiH: intop, console frontend to ntop
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[03:22] <spike> grrr
[03:24] <newbien> spike what
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[03:27] <Celestar> anyone using kdevelop here?
[03:27] <newbien> Celestar which language, C, Py ?
[03:27] <Celestar> C
[03:28] <newbien> Celestar waiting for a perl module, C problem?
[03:28] <Celestar> how to a save the output of a valgrind run in kdevelop 3.1beta2?
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[03:29] <newbien> Celestar no luck finding the answer in kdevelop?
[03:29] <Celestar> newbien: no answer there :(
[03:29] <aphexer> where do i change the dircolors?
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[03:30] <newbien> aphexer ls has --colors in man ls
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[03:30] <aphexer> newbien: isn't that a one time option?
[03:31] <aphexer> i want to change the defaults, the ones exported by dirolors
[03:31] <aphexer> dircolors*
[03:31] <newbien> Celestar no way to 2&>1 > outfile from kdevel i quess?
[03:31] <Celestar> not afterwards I ghuess ;)
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[03:32] <newbien> aphexer on the console terminal?
[03:32] <aphexer> yes
[03:32] <aphexer> euhm or via ssh
[03:33] <aphexer> but that should be the same i think
[03:33] <newbien> aphexer think i saw a bash script in abs-guide that might do that
[03:34] <newbien> aphexer freshmeat.net search: colorizer might get hits too
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[03:35] <aphexer> ok
[03:35] <newbien> Celestar amazing that kdevelop does not have a save option for runs
[03:35] <aphexer> still i wonder why i have to use an external program for that, dircolors just has it
[03:35] <Celestar> maybe it has and I'm too dumb to find it ;)
[03:35] <aphexer> but it doesn't seem to have n option to change them
[03:36] <newbien> Celestar bet you already did the toolbar tour ;)
[03:37] <Celestar> the save button doesn't help, and I'm just surfing the menus
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[03:37] <newbien> aphexer dir_colors - configuration file for dircolors
[03:39] <newbien> Celestar you like the copile and run features of kdevelop?
[03:39] <aphexer> newbien: ok thanks, but it seems only slackware, suse and redhat use that file, not debian.. i'll ask in #debian
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[03:40] <Celestar> they're ok... it suits me needs pretty well
[03:40] <newbien> aphexer go slackware ;)
[03:40] <aphexer> newbien: i use both slackware and debian :)
[03:40] <newbien> Celestar editor robust enough for you in kdevelop?
[03:40] <Celestar> newbien: yes.
[03:41] <Celestar> I was forced to develop in Visual Basic the last 2 years. I'm happy with vim+gcc ;)
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[03:43] <aphexer> what regex in vim should I use to replace "./" ?
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[03:45] <amphi> aphexer: s/\.\//foo/ or summat
[03:45] <aphexer> ok let's try that
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[03:46] <amphi> aphexer: %s/\.\//foo/g to replace all instances in a file
[03:46] <aphexer> amphi: thanks it works :D
[03:46] <amphi> aphexer: when in doubt, escape things :)
[03:47] <aphexer> ok :)
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[03:49] <newbien> net split?
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[03:51] <spike> newbien: stop that
[03:51] <newbien> spike stop what?
[03:51] <spike> pinging
[03:52] <newbien> ok, thought there was a net split, lag time went to ??
[03:53] <newbien> couldnt do a whois on myself or others
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[03:56] <newbien> gotta rtfm i quess ;)
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[04:03] <newbien> spike wanna talk kernel patches good idea?
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[04:07] <spike> newbien: what?
[04:07] <spike> newbien: u wanna patch ur kernel?
[04:07] <Tames> jesus christ
[04:07] <Tames> open office wants gnome-vfs!
[04:07] <spike> Tames: tell me
[04:07] <spike> :P
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[04:08] Topic changed on #linuxhelp by RichiH!richih@richih.cloaked: Please READ http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html && http://www.tldp.org/docs.html#howto BEFORE asking questions here or anywhere! | Channel rules are at http://www.nerdfest.org/lh_rules.html | Please consult http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 before asking about upgrading to a 2.6.x kernel | memory reading possible with 2.4.x and 2.6.x http://tinyurl.com/4s6mc so it would be good to update to 2.6.8.1 or 2.4.27
[04:08] <Tames> spike ;/
[04:08] <spike> Tames: openoffice sux, it segfaulted on my due to cups installed over lprng
[04:08] <newbien> spike wonder if its a good idea to path your kernel to update it or to just d/l the current kernel
[04:08] Topic changed on #linuxhelp by RichiH!richih@richih.cloaked: Please READ http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html && http://www.tldp.org/docs.html#howto BEFORE asking questions here or anywhere! | Channel rules are at http://www.nerdfest.org/lh_rules.html | Please consult http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 before asking about upgrading to a 2.6.x kernel | memory reading possible with 2.4.x and 2.6.x http://tinyurl.com/4s6mc so it would be good to update to 2.6.8.1 or 2.4.27 | collision found for
[04:09] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :(
[04:09] <spike> it's kinda incredible an app crashes due to changes in the printing system
[04:09] <newbien> s/path/patch
[04:09] <RichiH> narf
[04:09] <spike> RichiH: u'll never learn it, right? ;)
[04:09] Topic changed on #linuxhelp by RichiH!richih@richih.cloaked: Please READ http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html && http://www.tldp.org/docs.html#howto BEFORE asking questions here or anywhere! | Channel rules are at http://www.nerdfest.org/lh_rules.html | Please consult http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 before asking about upgrading to a 2.6.x kernel | memory read possible: http://tinyurl.com/4s6mc -> update to 2.6.8.1 or 2.4.27 | collision found for SHA-0 (O(2^51)), rumors for md5 and SHA-1,
[04:09] <spike> newbien: if u have bandwidth just download the one u want. don't bother with patches
[04:09] <RichiH> spike: apparently not, no ;)
[04:10] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :(
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[04:10] <spike> ehehe
[04:10] Topic changed on #linuxhelp by RichiH!richih@richih.cloaked: Please READ http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html && http://www.tldp.org/docs.html#howto BEFORE asking questions | Channel rules are at http://www.nerdfest.org/lh_rules.html | Please consult http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/799 before asking about upgrading to a 2.6.x kernel | memory read possible: http://tinyurl.com/4s6mc -> update to 2.6.8.1 or 2.4.27 | collision found for SHA-0 (O(2^51)), rumors for md5 and SHA-1, too
[04:10] <RichiH> mwhahah
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[04:10] <Tames> spike: lol
[04:10] <Tames> spike: I need to fix up cups :/
[04:11] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :(
[04:11] <spike> topic is gonna be kinda scaring....
[04:11] <RichiH> spike: heh, wait til they find a shortcut for AES. ;)
[04:11] <spike> one of these days it'll end up just talking about bugs :/
[04:11] <Rupert-Giles> yo RichiH
[04:11] <RichiH> hey Rupert-Giles
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[04:12] <Rupert-Giles> cool sunbird
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[04:13] <Rupert-Giles> mozilla team sure are outputting some excellent software
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[04:18] <spike> RichiH: I've just d/led it this morning
[04:18] <spike> erm, Rupert-Giles
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[04:18] <Rupert-Giles> huh
[04:18] <spike> Rupert-Giles: actually after some hours of testing I find it not usable for production envs
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[04:18] <RichiH> spike: i have kde, but it's nice to see you will eventually arrive where i already am :)
[04:19] <Rupert-Giles> pfff
[04:19] <spike> RichiH: stfu ;)
[04:19] <spike> RichiH: kalendar?
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[04:20] <webwolf_27> how can I fix a memory access error when xine is started??
[04:20] <RichiH> spike: i was seriously considering switching to fluxbox, some time ago
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[04:20] <spike> I need a damned calendar but ca't find a decent one
[04:20] <spike> RichiH: it rocks man, I can do everything with the dev version. also dockapps and trybar work great
[04:20] <daniel> RichiH: Nah, use golem. fluxbox is buggy crap
[04:21] <daniel> spike: Mozcal?
[04:21] <RichiH> anyway, the high integration of kde apps made me change my mind
[04:21] <spike> daniel: mozcal? can I use it standalone?
[04:21] <spike> daniel: btw prob is having something albe to share calendars with others
[04:22] <daniel> spike: Hm it's written in XUL...
[04:22] <spike> ah, k
[04:22] <daniel> spike: Well, there's an imap extension to support calendars, too.
[04:22] <RichiH> spike: kontact includes all these in one 'app'
[04:22] <spike> well sunbird is too, point is u can use it as a standalone app or mozilla plug-in (both are written in XUL)
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[04:23] <spike> no no, wait, I'm not gonna end up with something that has 100000 dependencies, like kontact
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[04:24] <RichiH> spike: that is why i chose to remain with kde
[04:24] <lunarosity> exit
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[04:24] <spike> one more
[04:24] <lunarosity> yo
[04:24] <RichiH> even one kde app has too many depedencies to make fluxbox seem worthwhile
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[04:24] <spike> RichiH: I c, that's right
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[04:25] <RichiH> daniel: ratpoison? evilwm?
[04:26] <spike> daniel: perkwm is better than golem, and fluxbox is probably too
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[04:26] <spike> even if it's getting a "little bloated" these days
[04:27] <hellz_hunter> i think im about to ditch gentoo and head back to debian
[04:27] <hellz_hunter> this crap is too messed up
[04:27] <hellz_hunter> im either too used to debian, or debian is actually better than gentoo
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[04:27] <spike> hellz_hunter: happy to hear u learnt the lesson ;)
[04:27] <hellz_hunter> lol
[04:27] <hellz_hunter> yes i have i think
[04:27] <hellz_hunter> for oen thing i think its procmail mainly
[04:28] <hellz_hunter> but fetchmailrc calls procmail to sort out my mail
[04:28] <hellz_hunter> but it keeps saying my procmailrc file is 'suspicious'
[04:28] <hellz_hunter> ive followed the manual inside and out about permissions
[04:28] <hellz_hunter> i dont know what im missing
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[04:31] <hellz_hunter> god im sorry, but what the hell was i thinking, something better than debian?
[04:31] <hellz_hunter> i must be high
[04:31] <hellz_hunter> ill be back in a better distro
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[04:36] <karynn> good morning, children.
[04:37] <spike> 'morning teacher. /me sits down and take the books out
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[04:38] <karynn> mmm, new user makes me hungry.
[04:38] <Rupert-Giles> woot
[04:38] <spike> didnt he do his homework, did he?
[04:38] <karynn> spike: how should i care? :)
[04:39] <spike> baaad bad teacher!
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[04:40] <tapas> ok, ping localhost gives me: nothing. other networking works [i wouldn't be here if it didn't]
[04:41] <Triskelios> tapas: maybe you're just filtering ping requests?
[04:41] <tapas> Triskelios: i tried ssh, too, and sshd is running..
[04:42] <tapas> Triskelios: it seems my networking isn't setup correctly.
[04:42] <karynn> or you're filtering pings at your firewall
[04:42] <tapas> nope, iptables -L shows empty rules
[04:43] <tapas> [i don't use a firewall]
[04:43] <Triskelios> tapas: the problem is just with connections to localhost, right?
[04:43] <tapas> Triskelios: right
[04:43] <karynn> is lo up?
[04:43] <Triskelios> is your loopback interface up?
[04:43] <karynn> ifconfig lo
[04:43] <tapas> oh good one
[04:44] <tapas> hmm
[04:44] <tapas> no difference.
[04:44] <karynn> the other question is whether localhost is defined as 127.0.0.1
[04:44] <tapas> in the hosts file, yes. grep localhost /etc/hosts
[04:44] <tapas> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[04:44] <tapas> ::1             ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
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[04:45] <tapas> what about routing?
[04:45] <karynn> there is no routng for a locally attached network
[04:45] <Triskelios> 127.0.0.0       127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0       UG    0      0        0 lo
[04:45] <tapas> hmm..
[04:45] <tapas> 145.253.4.148   *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 ppp0
[04:45] <tapas> default         145.253.4.148   0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 ppp0
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[04:45] <karynn> some versions of route suppress the localhost route
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[04:47] <karynn> check route -C, see where 127.0.0.1 is routed to
[04:47] <karynn> you may want to add -n
[04:48] <tapas> route -C -n|wc -l
[04:48] <tapas> 132
[04:48] <tapas> is that normal?
[04:48] <karynn> sure
[04:48] <karynn> it's a cache
[04:48] <karynn> it can be quite large
[04:49] <karynn> look through it for lines including 127.0.0.1
[04:49] <tapas> mango:/usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1-P4# route -C -n|grep 127
[04:49] <tapas> 213.23.208.8    127.0.0.1       145.253.4.148         0      0       22 ppp0
[04:49] <karynn> traffic to 127.0.0.1 is being routed out ppp0
[04:49] <tapas> hrmm..
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[04:51] <karynn> i think i shall buy a tivo.
[04:51] <tapas> why?
[04:51] <tapas> you mind if i just reboot into my new kernel?
[04:51] <tapas> brb..
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[04:54] <karynn> meow
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[04:54] <tapas> re
[04:54] <tapas> ok, rebooting also fixed the localhost prob
[04:54] <karynn> that was a quick reboot
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[04:55] <tapas> hmm, i even wasted some time restarting the ppp :)
[04:55] <karynn> hm
[04:55] <karynn> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[04:55] <karynn> /dev/hda3              4885804   4426984    210616  96% /home
[04:55] <karynn> i think i need to do some tidying
[04:55] <tapas> hehe, i use a 4 gig root partition, too.. they fill up too fast always
[04:56] <tapas> /dev/hda2             4.8G  2.1G  2.5G  45% /
[04:56] <tapas> i installed this system yesterday :)
[04:56] <tapas> /dev/hdc1              19G   13G  5.0G  72% /mnt/old
[04:56] <tapas> that was my old root partition
[04:56] <karynn> i never use a single partition for the entire install
[04:57] <tapas> karynn: hmm, i hate splitting up my hd space into chunks.. i do this only when nessecaary.. having a dedicated root partition does have some advantages though i suppose
[04:57] <karynn> Filesystem             Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:57] <karynn> /dev/hda2              5.0G   4.4G   373M  93% /
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[04:57] <tapas> oh i missed the "/home" in your first df output
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[04:58] <tapas> i will migrate this new system to the other [old] partition though when it's ready for use..
[04:59] <tapas> anyways: i have only one quirk left afaics:
[04:59] <tapas> when ot connected via ppp i get: sudo: unable to lookup mango.fruits.de via gethostbyname()
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[05:01] <Triskelios> do you have it set in /etc/hosts?
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[05:02] <tapas> Triskelios: "it"?
[05:02] <rogk> Anybody wanna help me with my isa soundcard
[05:02] <tapas> Triskelios: oh i see
[05:02] <tapas> maybe i need 127.0.0.1       localhost
[05:02] <tapas> and 127.0.0.1       mango
[05:03] <tapas> and additionally:
[05:03] <tapas> 127.0.0.1       mango.fruits.de
[05:03] <tapas> hmm
[05:03] <Triskelios> erm, put all 3 on the same line, following 127.0.0.1
[05:03] <tapas> ok..
[05:04] <tapas> well the first two ones were generated by debconf
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[05:07] <lumax_>  can any 1 of u help me? i'm trying to run a windows app but get thise messages:fixme xxxxx. it's lots of them
[05:08] <lumax_> fixme:dialog:MSGBOX_OnInit task modal msgbox ! Not modal yet.
[05:08] <lumax_> fixme:shdocvw:WBOOBJ_SetExtent stub: (0x457a98e0, 1, (4022 x 12806))
[05:08] <lumax_> fixme:shdocvw:WBOOBJ_SetExtent stub: (0x457a98e0, 1, (16722 x 12806))
[05:08] <lumax_> fixme:shdocvw:WBOOBJ_SetExtent stub: (0x457a98e0, 1, (16722 x 8837))
[05:08] <lumax_> fixme:shdocvw:WBOOBJ_SetExtent stub: (0x457a98e0, 1, (4022 x 8837))
[05:08] <lumax_> fixme:shdocvw:WBOOBJ_SetExtent stub: (0x457a98e0, 1, (16722 x 8837))
[05:08] <lumax_> like this
[05:08] <Triskelios> lumax_: don't flood
[05:08] <lumax_> sorry
[05:09] <Triskelios> lumax_: the parts that say "stub" aren't implemented in wine yet
[05:09] <tapas> Triskelios: i'll add a third line below the debconf section
[05:09] <lumax_> hmm what is stub?
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[05:10] <Triskelios> lumax_: placeholder
[05:11] <tapas> brb
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[05:17] <newbien> any advantages in patching a kernel vs d/l the current kernel?
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[05:21] <Fritz> hello
[05:21] <Fritz> will my modem (toshiba software modem) work on linux? (i have on integrated in my notebook)
[05:22] <lumax_> whats the newest version of wine
[05:23] <Triskelios> lumax_: they usually mark by date. check winehq
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[05:23] <Triskelios> newbien: much less to download, of course
[05:23] <Triskelios> Fritz: would help to know the exact model
[05:24] <Fritz> Triskelios: Toshiba Satellite SA60-302
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[05:27] <newbien> Fritz /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/Laptop-HOWTO has toshiba laptop greps
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[05:30] <Juz_visiting> in your lilo where it says vga=   what is the entry that would give me 132x43 ?? I'm currently using vga=ask to get there..
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[05:32] <Skunky> Juz_visiting: when you "ask" it gives you numbers... use that instead of ask
[05:33] <Juz_visiting> so I could use the number 8   which corrisponds to 132x43 ?
[05:33] <Juz_visiting> Ive only seen num=bers like 788 ans such used
[05:33] <Juz_visiting> Ive only seen numbers like 788 and such used
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[05:35] <Skunky> Juz_visiting: yes.
[05:35] <Juz_visiting> tnx
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[05:41] <Juz_visiting> http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_uglilo.html <-- if anyone else wishes to read more on this .. thanks folks
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[05:42] <Desiac> anyone used inetter.net for hosting or heard anything bout them?
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[05:45] <newbien> any opinions about earthlink quality of service as a cable ISP? lag, downtime?
[05:45] <lumax_> whats the best p2p for linux?
[05:47] <lumax_> hmm i need the best p2p for linux.. i'm a p2p adic
[05:47] <lumax_> :)
[05:48] <Celestar> is there any reason NOT to use xfs?
[05:48] <Celestar> (apart from the fact that FC2 doesn't seem to support it by default)
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[05:49] <lumax_> hmm if ther ar not any good one i'll have to my linux and get stock with window. no need for linux then
[05:49] <lumax_> have to format/delete
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[05:50] <newbien> lumax_ freshmeat.net search: p2p has hits with popularity ratings
[05:50] <lumax_> :)
[05:50] <lumax_> just as long it's not mlnet
[05:50] <lumax_> i have tryed it
[05:50] <lumax_> it suxz
[05:50] <newbien> lotsa hits
[05:50] <lumax_> it find stuff but dont dovnloade them
[05:51] <lumax_> mlnet
[05:51] <newbien> Celestar xfs advantages over ext2?
[05:52] <Celestar> newbien: faster, more data safety, lower CPU usage
[05:52] <newbien> Celestar less buggy than raid?
[05:52] <Celestar> newbien:  XFS has been used in server system for like 20 years
[05:53] <lumax_> lol thay all got like 0.30 % Popularity
[05:53] <lumax_> that's real low.. no1 is using them
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[05:53] <lumax_> xmule 7.64 % is the best :(
[05:54] <Celestar> newbien: xfs has been the FS of choice in IRIX since the beginning I think
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[05:54] <newbien> Celestar ext2 on linux is the best
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[05:55] <Celestar> newbien: er??
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[05:55] <Celestar> but you lose too much of your data regularly
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[05:56] <daniel_> regularly? heh
[05:56] <newbien> Celestar no data loss for me yet, maybe i dont use it in a way that it gets easily lost
[05:56] <daniel_> "Oh it's Monday again. All data's lost :("
[05:56] <Celestar> newbien: it's a non-journalling filesystem. I don't use those anymore
[05:56] <newbien> Celestar ext3 vs xfs?
[05:57] <spike> newbien: I already told u about that ;)
[05:57] <spike> 'lo Celestar
[05:57] <Celestar> newbien: xfs is much faster than ext3
[05:57] <Celestar> much faster := 10% to 300% depending on situation
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[05:58] <newbien> spike, yea, will wait till its debugged
[05:58] <Celestar> hi spike :D
[05:58] <spike> newbien: w00t?
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[06:01] <newbien> spike being a fs newbie i dont even know if the ext3 and raid are the same
[06:02] <newbien> Celestar any drawbacks from using xfs on a slack distro?
[06:02] <Celestar> newbien: no
[06:02] <Celestar> newbien: my server is running xfs on a software RAID for 3 years now
[06:03] <newbien> seamless and portable?
[06:03] <Celestar> I never had a problem with it
[06:03] <newbien> Celestar so linux will have no problems with an xfs?
[06:03] <Celestar> newbien: no
[06:04] <newbien> cool
[06:04] <Celestar> newbien: only the suse 9.1 shipped has a problem with it, due to a buggy suse-kernel.
[06:04] <newbien> hehe, rh and suse like to tweak their kernels
[06:04] <spike> suse 9.1 seems to have more than one bug shipped with it...
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[06:05] <Celestar> spike: yes, but most are ironed out meanwhile
[06:05] <daniel_> Yeah. It has three.
[06:05] <Celestar> spike: I use it a quite a lot
[06:05] <newbien> spike novel innovation with suse 9.1?
[06:05] <newbien> s/novel/novell
[06:05] <Celestar> newbien: not yet
[06:06] <spike> really? as more I researched it I heard of negative reviews. suse enterprise seems to rock though
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[06:06] <Celestar> spike: SuSE enterprise DOES rock ,
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[06:06] <Rupert-Giles> SuSE pfff
[06:07] <spike> Celestar: I'm still searching for a decent desktop distro waiting for CDD project to be finished, but it'll take a *while*
[06:07] <newbien> Celestar thanks for the tip about xfs, may try it with my next distro install
[06:07] <Celestar> newbien: I guess you will not be disappointed
[06:07] <Celestar> plus XFS supports natively ACLs which might come handy here and there ( I don'tuse them tho)
[06:07] <newbien> Celestar ext2 been belly belly good to me ;)
[06:08] <newbien> Celestar ACLs?
[06:08] <Celestar> Access Control Lists
[06:08] <Rupert-Giles> Celestar!! Hermoine Granger!!
[06:08] <Rupert-Giles> heh
[06:09] <Celestar> something more sophisticated than -rwxrwxrwx
[06:09] <Celestar> lol ! hi Rupert-Giles :))
[06:09] <spike> eheheh
[06:09] <Rupert-Giles> heh
[06:09] <Rupert-Giles> hows tricks?
[06:09] <Celestar> good good
[06:09] <Rupert-Giles> cool
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[06:11] <stdout> is there any way to restore a deleted utmp file or to create a new one ?
[06:11] <newbien> is raid a fs or an addon?
[06:11] <lumax_> ist there any other p2p apps than that...newbien they all have so low popularity
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[06:11] <stdout> no
[06:12] <lumax_> can i use kazaa under linux?
[06:12] <newbien> lumax_ if freshmeat.net or sf.net dont list it then no
[06:12] <Sam_Bounty> I am trying to join in another channel (#fedora) and I do not understand the "identify" and register parts
[06:12] <stdout> Sam_Bounty, that isn't a linux related question try on #irchelp
[06:12] <Rupert-Giles> register your nick foo!
[06:13] <Rupert-Giles> :)
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[06:15] <newbien> stdout read somewhere that you can just delete a utmp file and it will auto restore, but cant confirm that
[06:15] <stdout> newbien, I thought it so but wasnt sure so i asked
[06:17] <newbien> stdout ac <enter> will show you if the utmp is corrupt
[06:17] <Celestar> Source and destination overlap in memcpy(0x8273668, 0x82736bc, 252)
[06:17] <Celestar> bah
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[06:18] <newbien> Celestar why did you migrate to xfs from ext2 etc? when?
[06:19] <Celestar> newbien: when I set up the server again
[06:19] <Celestar> newbien: when I found that deleting a 100GB with xfs is just ages faster than on other file systems
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[06:19] <newbien> Celestar k, bulletproof so far? journaling?
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[06:20] <Celestar> journalling works great
[06:20] <Celestar> never lost anything
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[06:20] <Celestar> even during a burnout of the power supply during a write opertaion
[06:20] <panasonic9658> for midnight commander, the F4 key for edit, in there how do i delete an entire line with some sort of control-k command?
[06:20] <panasonic9658> or maybe control-d
[06:21] <newbien> panasonic9658 hit F1 in mc for help, then go to key commands
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[06:22] <Celestar> ==23802== Source and destination overlap in memcpy(0x8273668, 0x82736bc, 252)
[06:22] <Celestar> ==23802==    at 0x40023C59: memcpy (in /usr/lib/valgrind/vgskin_memcheck.so)
[06:22] <Celestar> ==23802==    by 0x80BD2BA: DeleteWindow (window.c:215)
[06:22] <Celestar> this isn't the way it should be I think
[06:22] <newbien> Celestar i know nothing about journaling, is it like a backup or mirroring activity?
[06:22] <panasonic9658> newbien, found it. control-delete
[06:22] <Celestar> it's like mirroring activity
[06:23] <Celestar> ir more or less writes a file on what changes have been done
[06:23] <lumax_> how do i setup a java vm
[06:23] <newbien> panasonic9658 cool, happy keyboard surfing ;)
[06:23] <lumax_> virtual mahcine
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[06:24] <newbien> lumax_ #java ??
[06:24] <lumax_> yeh
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[06:25] <newbien> Celestar compressed mirroring or does journaling double your disk usage?
[06:25] <panasonic9658> is there a man page for ">" and ">>" with "cat"? i am trying to combine 1.txt with 2.txt to form 3.txt
[06:26] <Celestar> newbien: it hardly increases it
[06:26] <Celestar> panasonic9658: ">" write to
[06:26] <Celestar> ">>" append
[06:26] <Celestar> thats the whole "manpage"
[06:26] <newbien> hehe
[06:26] <panasonic9658> hehe, wow..
[06:27] <panasonic9658> like "cat 1.txt >> 2.txt > 3.txt"?
[06:27] <newbien> Celestar whats the trick on how xfs can mirror files without increaed disk usage?
[06:27] <Celestar> it doesn't mirror files
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[06:27] <Celestar> it journalls the changes that have been made
[06:27] <Celestar> I guess somewhat similar to what "diff" does, but I maybe mistaken
[06:28] <newbien> Celestar then its gotta at least save the diffs ?
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[06:29] <Celestar> newbien: seems so :)
[06:29] <newbien> linux apps dont balk or crash in xfs?
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[06:31] <panasonic9658> Celestar, that cat command changes the file 2.txt, how can i perserv the content of 2.txt?
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[06:31] <Celestar> cat txt1 > dump && cat txt2 >> dump && cat txt3 >> dump
[06:32] <Celestar> newbien: well the apps crash just as much as on most other file systems ;:)
[06:32] <panasonic9658> oh yeah, that's right
[06:32] <newbien> Celestar hehe, but its usually as seamless as ext2?
[06:33] <Celestar> newbien: at least as seamless
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[06:33] <newbien> Celestar cool, what do you do to restore your files after data loss?
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[06:34] <Rupert-Giles> alyson hannigan ownz
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[06:34] <Celestar> newbien: data loss? backups
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[06:35] <newbien> Celestar k, when do you use journaling to restore files?
[06:35] <Celestar> newbien: the file system uses it automatically after an unclean unmount
[06:36] <newbien> Celestar k, auto fsck under xfs then
[06:36] <Celestar> newbien: yes the thing is, when my 1TB system crashes, xfs takes less than 15 seconds to recover. how long does ext2 need?
[06:37] <newbien> 1TB? hehe, dunno
[06:37] <Celestar> or 100GB? ;)
[06:37] <newbien> Celestar guess 5-15 min
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[06:38] <Celestar> newbien: see :)
[06:39] <Celestar> now take that times 10
[06:39] <newbien> Celestar yea, thats a nice feature
[06:39] <Celestar> and the chance of restoring lost stuff is MUCH higher
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[06:40] <newbien> Celestar dont recall if slack offers xfs for fs choice on new install, guess so
[06:40] <newbien> Celestar yea, see the advantages of journaling but avoided ext3 on bug rumors i heard
[06:41] <panasonic9658> Celestar, were on earth you bough a 1TB storage device?
[06:41] <panasonic9658> *bought
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[06:41] <newbien> Celestar is xfs raid compatible or auto installed?
[06:42] <Celestar> panasonic9658: 4x250GB HDD ...
[06:42] <Celestar> thats not soo much
[06:42] <panasonic9658> Celestar, that's 1,000GB
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[06:43] <Celestar> yes
[06:43] <Celestar> 1TB is 1024GB
[06:43] <panasonic9658> how can all four HD crashes the same time?
[06:44] <ndee> hi there, I know it's a long shot but there is no #rsync channel so I might try it here: rsync -a -vv --backup-dir=/backupdisk/new/backups/`date +%w`/f /backupshares/F_on_SERVER /backupdisk/new/current_f   that should copy the difference between /backupshares/F_on_SERVER and /backupdisk/new/current_f to the given --backup-dir, right?
[06:44] <ndee> panasonic9658: if they fall down from a 30story building.
[06:44] <Rakkis> when using console-tools and the SCREEN_FONT variable in /etc/console-tools/config to get the EURO symbols working, is there a smaller font than lat0-16 and lat0-sun16?
[06:44] <Rakkis> I'd like the same font when booting with the lilo param vga=1 .. it fits much more text on the screen
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[06:45] <panasonic9658> ndee, i hope it doesn't land on someone's head
[06:45] <ndee> panasonic9658: that would be a head-crash then.
[06:45] <aldaron> how many heads in your hdd? :)
[06:45] <panasonic9658> hehe
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[06:50] <newbien> is raid default in a ext2 fs install?
[06:51] <aldaron> huh? No!
[06:51] <aldaron> Why would it be?
[06:51] <aldaron> software raid?
[06:51] <newbien> guess so, dunno anything about raid
[06:52] <blkdg> hello, i have a document which i have scanned at both 150 dpi and 600 dpi in xsane.  i saved them as .tiff and as the default file format pmm (?). when i print them, i use xv to load the file and then i select print and then i select greyscale. both file sonce outputted look horrible. what should i change ?
[06:52] <newbien> aldaron except ppl here have disk crash's and data loss when they try to change settings in raid
[06:53] <newbien> blkdg pmm? not png?
[06:54] <blkdg> would that make a difference ? i'll give it a shot.
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[06:55] <blkdg> btw, the printer is set to 600 dpi output.
[06:55] <aldaron> newbien: they have hardware raid, right?
[06:55] <newbien> blkdg dunno, try looking at the first to last output files before you print to find the glitch
[06:55] <newbien> aldaron guess so, for the HD
[06:56] <aldaron> I'm not really good with raid either, but well, changing a disk configuration on the fly sounds like probable problems ;)
[06:56] <newbien> aldaron yea, good way to trash your data or HD
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[06:57] <aldaron> But, I don't think raid should be active if not explicitly activated by someone
[06:57] <blkdg> newbien the default for xsane is pnm. i just rescanned the document in colour.
[06:58] <newbien> aldaron dunno, just sniffed at the raid docs
[06:58] <newbien> blkdg see if you can view that file for quality
[06:58] <blkdg> using xv ?
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[06:59] <newbien> blkdg dunno
[06:59] <blkdg> ok
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[07:01] <newbien> blkdg xv will just refuse if not possible
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[07:02] <redghost_> im looking for a good open source apps that convert scanned paper cheque/form images into text, is there any? something that is better than OCR...
[07:03] <newbien> redghost_ seen some apps listed at freshmeat.net
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[07:03] <redghost_> newbien: i searched freshmeat, didn't find any, the nearest is ocr
[07:04] <blkdg> when i go to print in xv, it tells me that it's going to output it at 72 dpi. there's no way to change that setting. i went to the xv page, and it's in his faq. he says something about not sending high dpi files to modern printers because of dithering. (???) so i tink i'll try to se if i can use the xsane 'copy' mode where it scans and prints from the same application....
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[07:05] <blkdg> redghost_ what are you looking to do, make pdf's ??
[07:05] <newbien> redghost_ sf.net?
[07:05] <newbien> blkdg good idea, i hope ;)
[07:06] <redghost_> blkdg: i m looking for apps that can interpret scanned paper forms into say, xml or any other computer processable format...
[07:07] <redghost_> newbien: looking now
[07:08] <blkdg> success !!!!!!!1
[07:09] <blkdg> ok, so i set up the copy mode feature in xsane, and it prints perfectly.
[07:09] <blkdg> i guess when i loaded it with xv, the printing part fell through.
[07:09] <blkdg> too bad.
[07:09] <blkdg> i'm not sure though
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[07:10] <blkdg> is it cause i can't use xv properly to print, or is it that xsane prints better?
[07:10] <blkdg> either way....
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[07:10] <blkdg> thanks for your help newbien
[07:11] <newbien> blkdg you did the work ;)
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[07:13] <Rupert-Giles> NETSPLIT!!
[07:14] <fred87> ver y observant of you...
[07:14] <matt_> dose anybody know what fontconfig uses to convert to html
[07:14] <matt_> i'm gettting ....
[07:14] <matt_> Working on: /usr/local/fontconfig-2.2.96/doc/local-fontconfig-user.sgml
[07:14] <matt_> No way to convert HTML to text found.
[07:14] <matt_> make[2]: *** [fontconfig-user.txt] Error 8
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[07:15] <matt_> i surpose i could just not install the doc's
[07:16] <newbien_> fred87 you do the kernel patches from 2.4 to 2.6 etc?
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[07:17] <spiekey> hiho
[07:17] <Big_Manz> I noticed that my slowness problems I was having with nfs is acutally a network problem on the client side running Red Hat ES ..... i'm having a hard time pin pointing the problem.  tcp connections for nfs/cvs check outs take abnormal amounts of time ..... I've had this problem on two Red Hat ES machines with totally different hardware ...any help would be great ...
[07:17] <spiekey> can i set up one single isdn card as an fax and answering machine?
[07:19] <spiekey> will it reconize if its a fax or a call?
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[07:20] <ananke> Big_Manz : try #redhat
[07:21] <Big_Manz> oh hi again =)
[07:21] <ananke> hi
[07:22] <spiekey> noone with isdn experience? ;)
[07:22] <newbien_> spiekey isdn have its own wires?
[07:23] <newbien_> spike or is isdn on your regular 2 wire telephone line?
[07:23] <spiekey> regular telephone line
[07:24] <spiekey> i dont wanna use it at the same time though.
[07:24] <newbien_> spiekey why, slow down?
[07:24] <newbien_> spiekey what speed, 128K?
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[07:25] <telesto> I've updated my boot/menu.1st. How do I put those changes into effect (with grub)?
[07:26] <ananke> telesto : that's it.
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[07:26] <rmcc> what do you guys use for burning cds?
[07:26] <ananke> rmcc : k3b
[07:27] <rmcc> annake: ill check it out. thx
[07:27] <Norky> cdrecord, cdrecord and nothing but cdrecord ;)
[07:27] <spiekey> newbien_: heh? what do you mean?
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[07:27] <Norky> telesto: grub simply reads that config file when it boots, you don't need to do anything else
[07:28] <newbien_> spiekey d/l speed on isdn 64-128 kbs?
[07:28] <Norky> it's unlike lilo in that respect
[07:28] <telesto> Hmm .. well I updated the file but my changes aren't there when I reboot
[07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[07:30] <aldaron> Hm, I had a similar problem earlier. in FC1, after kernel update, grub found another /boot dir on an old hd and didn't boot anymore. We couldn't think of a way to tell grub where the /boot should be.
[07:31] <newbien_> spiekey if isdn line is for voice and data, fax should work too, i guess
[07:31] <aldaron> But for some time that's not a problem anymore. The BIOS turned out to be nice. Disabling/enabling boot devices erased them from the list, and even though I tried to "exit without saving", the confirmation screen used reverse logic.
[07:32] <aldaron> "You're about to quit without saving. Would you want to save anyway? Yes / No"
[07:32] <aldaron> Needless to say, I picked "yes" before reading
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[07:33] <newbien_> aldaron grub still buggy?
[07:33] <aldaron> newbien_: I don't know. But, still extra hassle, comparing to lilo
[07:33] <aldaron> it seems
[07:34] <newbien_> aldaron yea, seems so from what ppl have said on this chan
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[07:36] <telesto> Yeah, I just rebooted and no changes I make to menu.1st are reflected in grub. Any suggestions?
[07:37] <aldaron> newbien_: I find myself agreeing more and more with the slackware choice of keeping lilo..
[07:37] <newbien_> telesto edit grub config as root?
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[07:37] <ThisUser> can anyone tell me a good way to list the dir's on a tape device?   I've been using 'tar tzvf /dev/st1' but that shows EVERY file as well.
[07:37] <newbien_> aldaron slack's my distro choice
[07:38] <aldaron> mine also :)
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[07:40] <newbien_> ThisUser maybe pipe the tar output to grep or sed printing only the dir's?
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[07:40] <proc> how do I set suid root?
[07:40] <proc> hi
[07:41] <kasc> proc: with chmod
[07:41] <proc> chmod 4xxx?
[07:41] <crocco> proc: chmod +x
[07:41] <crocco> oops
[07:41] <crocco> proc: chmod +s
[07:41] <proc> ?
[07:42] <proc> ok
[07:42] <crocco> but.. hey .. you want suid root .. i advise you to check out the man
[07:42] <crocco> as i never use that
[07:42] <proc> what is +s`
[07:42] <proc> what is +s?
[07:43] <crocco> proc: s stands for suid
[07:43] <proc> so that's exatly what I want?
[07:44] <proc> hmpf
[07:44] <proc> doesn't work
[07:44] <proc> echo $UID is still 1000
[07:44] <proc> not 0
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[07:46] <ananke> proc : what are you setting suid on?
[07:46] <ananke> if it's a shell script, it won't work.
[07:47] <aldaron> proc, apparently you must be root while doing chmod +s
[07:47] <ThisUser> newbien_ can you give me an example?
[07:47] <Fisu> Where do autoconf (./configure) scripts get to know the INCLUDE directories?
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[07:47] <proc> ananke: yes, it's a shell skript
[07:48] <ananke> proc : then it won't work.
[07:48] <proc> damn :/
[07:48] <Fisu> ie. what enviroment variable or file says to look at /usr/include/ for include files?
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[07:48] <ananke> Fisu : /usr/include is a standard
[07:48] <ananke> Fisu : it's one of the default things
[07:48] <newbien_>  tar output |sed '/^\//!d' |less will output all the dirs that start with / at the beginning of the line
[07:49] <Fisu> ananke: Can it be overriden (for crosscompiling) ?
[07:49] <proc> ananke: are bioinformatics interesting?
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[07:49] <ananke> proc : yes
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[07:51] <ThisUser> So   tar /dev/device |sed '/^\//!d' |less  ?
[07:52] <litage|> how can one set the default audio and video player in kde?
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[07:52] <newbien_> ThisUser if the tar output is dumped to the screen then yea, probably
[07:53] Tcl error in script for 'timer1951960':
[07:53] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
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[07:53] <ThisUser> ok.. well I tied  tar /dev/st1 |sed '/^\//!d' |less   and got:  tar: invalid option -- /
[07:54] <fred87> newbien_ kernel patches?
[07:54] <newbien_> ThisUser what kinda output do you get when you just do the tar of the tape drive?
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[07:55] <newbien_> fred87 sf.net has a kernel patches page whose maintainer is fred87, thought that was you
[07:56] <ThisUser> newbien_   tar /dev/st1  does the same thing.
[07:56] <ThisUser> But  tar tzvf /dev/st1 lists EVERYTHING
[07:56] <fred87> newbien_ yep it is
[07:56] <fred87> newbien, was just wondering what your question is?
[07:56] <newbien_> ThisUser then do the tar tzvf ;)
[07:57] <newbien_> fred87 cant find where or how to dl the patches from the sf.page or the home page
[07:57] <fred87> newbien_ ah i miss-read your earlier question :)
[07:57] <fred87> it's the "files" link on http://sf.net/projects/lk-patches-fe/
[07:57] <fred87> wait a mo i'll find a direct link
[07:58] <newbien_> fred87 yea, went to that page, still cant find where or how to dl the patches, just forums there
[07:58] <fred87> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103183
[07:58] <fred87> i've stopped doing 2.4 patches though
[07:58] <ThisUser> newbien_ ok...  I tried tar tzvf /dev/st1 |sed '/^\//!d' |less        taking a long time...  should it be?
[07:59] <fred87> but the 2.4.25 ones are still there
[07:59] <newbien_> ThisUser yea, tar's gotta do its thing, then sed
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[08:00] <newbien_> fred87 what are the advantages of patching a kernel vs just dl the current kernel?
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[08:01] <fred87> newbien_ depends on the patchset
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[08:01] <fred87> mine only adds a few extra features - reiser4 support, subfs, and lufs
[08:01] <newbien_> fred87 k, 2.4.22 to current>
[08:01] <newbien_> ?
[08:02] <fred87> um my patches don't upgrade your kernel to the latest. they add extra things. if you're wanting to upgrade, the patches are on http://www.kernel.org
[08:02] <newbien_> fred87 ok, didnt know if it was comprehensive or feature add
[08:02] <newbien_> fred87 thanks for the info
[08:02] <fred87> just feature add :)
[08:02] <fred87> np
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[08:04] <newbien_> fred87 do you maintain your pages at sf.net? if so, maybe link to the d/l page?
[08:04] <fred87> hmm i think SF.net has a policy for linking to downloads...
[08:04] Action: fred87 checks
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[08:05] <newbien_> fred87 maybe i missed the link ;)
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[08:05] <capt-silver> I used to hate gold-digging women. I realized that Mother Nature has provided them that survival mechanism. And Mother Nature is almost never wrong.  Gold-diggers have been around since cave-men and wooly mammoths.  If Mother Nature approves of Women Gold-Diggers, so do I.
[08:05] <fred87> it's on the sf.net/projects/lk-patches-fe/, not lk-patches-fe.sf.net - there's a link labelled "files"
[08:06] <daniel_> capt-silver: Very interesting.
[08:06] <newbien_> fred87 hehe, yep, i missed the link
[08:06] <fred87> :P
[08:06] <capt-silver> that my Deep Thought for the day :)
[08:07] <fred87> gah 0 bytes?!
[08:07] <newbien_> fred87 happy patching ;)
[08:07] <fred87> :O sf.net file release system did a fsck-up
[08:08] <fred87> just noticed that 2.6.8.1-fe1 is an empty file
[08:08] <fred87> *fe2
[08:08] <newbien_> fred87 lots of hoops to jump thru to submit software for sf.net distribution?
[08:09] <daniel_> newbien_: You have to submit a describtion and wait for approval.
[08:09] <fred87> newbien_ i'm guessing the ftp transfer mucked up :(
[08:09] <capt-silver> ive decided to fully update my servers only once a year...makes for a lot less wear and tear...updating programs just cause the latest apache, samba, mysql etc.etc comes out..makes no sense....
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[08:10] <newbien_> daniel_ standardized forms for submittal, make your own web pages conforming to their standard, etc?
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[08:10] <daniel_> newbien_: They don't have a standard for your web pages.
[08:10] <fred87> newbien_ http://yourproject.sf.net are whatever you want
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[08:11] <newbien_> fred87 cool, thanks for the link
[08:11] <daniel_> lol
[08:11] <fred87> newbien_ wait 5 minutes if you're planning on downloading the 2.6 one :P
[08:11] <capt-silver> Besides, everyone should have a BUILD machine ready..so they can blow it up..try out new programs and rebuild at a moments notice....
[08:12] <fred87> capt-silver, that's what my gamecube is for :)
[08:12] <newbien_> fred87 k, bad link, at sf.net now looking for how to start
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[08:12] <fred87> newbien_ what's bad link?
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[08:13] <newbien_> fred87 do you have to register at sf.net to start a new project? is that the first step?
[08:13] <daniel_> newbien_: Yes...
[08:13] <fred87> yep
[08:13] <daniel_> newbien_: It's all described at the page in detail.
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[08:14] <heatsink> What kernel config options do I need to enable to use iptables?
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[08:16] <fred87> packet filtering iirc
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[08:17] <heatsink> I already have network packet filtering enabled, iptables won't run
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[08:17] <Mxyzpltk> heatsink: explain "won't run", what error do you get?
[08:17] <heatsink> I use the command `iptables -L`
[08:18] <heatsink> iptables v1.2.9: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
[08:18] <heatsink> Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I dont suppose anyone has seen/knows a site taht explaines all about the 'fancy' features in 3d video cards. like bumpmaping,  altialiasing ans so forth? looking for a tutorial/guide to print out for some friends.
[08:18] <Mxyzpltk> heatsink: try "modprobe ip_tables"
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> not sure what to google for :P trying different combos now.
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[08:20] <heatsink> I don't have that module
[08:20] <Mxyzpltk> Dr_Willis: you might find something in anandtech.com at least is a place to start
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[08:21] <serving> hi all :)
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> yea - checking tomshardware.com now.
[08:21] <heatsink> I don't think I compiled it as a module, it should be in the kernel
[08:21] <serving> how can I read a .db file ?
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> I can never rember how to SPELL anaddtech.com :P
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> lol
[08:21] <Mxyzpltk> :)
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[08:22] <Dr_Willis> i'd seen a magazine/tutoprial ages ago that showed ya what commands/options to use in Qake3 to show off the different features also
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[08:22] <Dr_Willis> false colorizing of the tiles to explaine the  scaleing and so forth.
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> learned a lot in that artical - that ive frogotten :P
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[08:24] <newbien> fred87 do you maintain your web pages on sf.net for deadlinks, etc?
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> anandtach seems to have better info then tomshardware :P
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[08:25] <fred87> newbien, dead link?
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> nvidia working on the 2 video cards linked stuff again.. wow :P history repeating.
[08:25] <fred87> where :O
[08:25] <newbien> fred87 links, updates, new listings?
[08:25] <fred87> i add updates, yes
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[08:26] <iratsu> where can anyone point me to a good guide to cd burning under linux?
[08:26] <newbien> fred87 does sf.net provide a template web page?
[08:26] <heatsink> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html
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[08:26] <fred87> newbien, nope
[08:27] <iratsu> heatsink: thank you
[08:27] <heatsink> Yes, I have iptables support in the kernel, not as a module
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[08:28] <fred87> newbien, btw you may wish to use http://developer.berlios.de instead
[08:28] <newbien> fred87 k, wondering how much web page creation was required to set your sf.net web page up; guess its the whole thing
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if that cd-burning howto has beenupdated for the 2.6 kernel yet.
[08:28] <heatsink> oh, maybe I have to enable this option also
[08:28] <fred87> newbien, yep
[08:29] <heatsink> No
[08:29] <heatsink> It assumes you have a SCSI cdrom interface
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[08:29] <Mxyzpltk> heatsink: go to netfilter.org and check the docs to see what you need and what you don't in your kernel...
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[08:30] <heatsink> Mxyzpltk: thx
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[08:31] <iratsu> heatsink: so the how-to doesn't apply to 2.6?
[08:32] <newbien> fred87 what was your production time from registering with sf.net to having you web page posted?
[08:32] <fred87> as soon as your project has been aproved you can put up a website
[08:32] <fred87> as the site says, that's around 24 houts
[08:32] <fred87> (hours
[08:32] <fred87> *hours
[08:32] <fred87> :S
[08:32] <Tames> where i can download netstat source please?
[08:33] <newbien> fred87 thanks for all the info, any other links for getting started or just sf.net?
[08:33] <fred87> sf.net :)
[08:33] <newbien> fred87 hehe, thought so
[08:34] <iratsu> howdo i get my cd writer working with a 2.6 kernel?
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[08:34] <fred87> iratsu, which kernel version?
[08:34] <iratsu> fred87: 2.6.7
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[08:34] <newbien> Tames easiest to dl it from your CD or distro web site
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[08:35] <fred87> iratsu, cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom
[08:35] <fred87> other than that, as 2.4
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[09:08] <Obsolete> hello
[09:08] <Obsolete> can anyone help me with a WINE issue im having?
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[09:10] <proc> don't ask to ask
[09:10] <Obsolete> sorry
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[09:10] <ask83> hey guys, i installed FC2 x64, i'm looking for NTFS and MP3 support, does anyone know where i can find it?
[09:11] <Obsolete> when i try to run an application, it keeps saying failed to create L'C:\\Windows\Dektop and whatnot
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[09:11] <Obsolete> err:shell:SHGetFolderPathW Failed to create directory 'L"C:\\WINDOWS\\Desktop"'.
[09:11] <Obsolete> err:shell:SHGetFileInfoW pidl is null!
[09:11] <Obsolete> err:shell:SHGetFolderPathW Failed to create directory 'L"C:\\WINDOWS\\Desktop"'.
[09:11] <Obsolete> what do u think may cause this?
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[09:13] <Dr_Willis> hmm
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> Obsolete,  sounds like a wine config issue.
[09:14] <Obsolete> oh ok
[09:14] <Obsolete> can u suggest a way to fix it?
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[09:20] <Dr_Willis> edit your wine confif file. or rerun the wine config tool
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[09:20] <Dr_Willis> issues ive seen in the past are that Linux's file/path names ARE case Sensitive
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> you tryint to get wine to use an existing windows install?
[09:21] <Obsolete> i upgraded my wine to a newer version so I dont think the /home/me/.wine/config is used anymore, is it?
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[09:21] <Obsolete> how do I check to see if it is trying to use a windows install?
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> you got a windows install?
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> wine does NOT need to use an existing windows install.
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> if you want it to use it. ya need to tell it the path to the mounted window's install.
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> ie:  if   C: is mounted to /mnt/win   ya need to tell wine where to look
[09:23] <Obsolete> no, it is mounted to fake_windows
[09:24] <Obsolete> its locked tho
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> locked?
[09:24] <sleon|tuX> Obsolete, what do zou need it for? wanna play doom3?
[09:24] <Obsolete> it has a lock on it
[09:24] <Obsolete> yea
[09:24] <sleon|tuX> :)
[09:24] <Obsolete> doom 3
[09:24] <Obsolete> lol
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[09:25] <Obsolete> how did u know?
[09:25] <sleon|tuX> Obsolete, then install cvs version of transgaming winex
[09:25] <sleon|tuX> and not wine
[09:25] <Obsolete> oh ok
[09:25] <sleon|tuX> Obsolete, cause wine looks wired with doom3 but cool with winex
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> played doom3 under windowx... and got annoyed at it...
[09:25] <Obsolete> thanx man
[09:25] <sleon|tuX> www.doom3linux.com
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> run around in the dark shooting stuff.... yea.. :P
[09:25] <sleon|tuX> Obsolete, all howtos and tips are there
[09:25] <Obsolete> lol
[09:25] <Obsolete> thanx soooo much
[09:26] <sleon|tuX> i like vegastrike much better though
[09:26] <Norky> I really like doom 3
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> heh.
[09:26] <Norky> scares the living piss out of me
[09:26] <sleon|tuX> i has more games depth
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[09:26] <Dr_Willis> Norky,  well so far its been given 3 thumbs down by the gamers at work.
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> 2 Puked.. :P
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[09:26] <Dr_Willis> one got a massive migrane.
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> Lol
[09:26] <sleon|tuX> lol
[09:26] <dmiles> I'm writing scripts that will be run with crontab entries and so I want them to output to log files. Does anybody know how I can get them to timestamp?
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[09:27] <Dr_Willis> whats the point of having a purty engine.. if its all in the dark? :P
[09:27] <marinos> purty engine. ?
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> I'm still trying to track down a "begginers guide to all this fancy 3d terms/tech/info" -
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> marinos,  yea its soooo 'purty' :P
[09:28] Action: Dr_Willis is from the south.
[09:28] <marinos> oh debians ... nvidia purity syndrome ?
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[09:28] <sleon|tuX> i test reiser4 , much better then doom3
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> guys at work are trying to discuss the 3d stuff/engind/terms - and they need to learn more of the basics.
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[09:30] <marinos> "purity" whats that !?!
[09:30] <Obsolete> whats the latest wersion of winex?
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[09:31] <Obsolete> version
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[09:31] <Dr_Willis> marinos,  lol. :P slang for "pretty"
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> as in  "You sho do got a Purty mouth!"
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> :P
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[09:34] <Obsolete> i cant find a site to download winex from
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> winex is comercial.
[09:34] <Obsolete> they make me pay for it
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[09:35] <Obsolete> so how do i get it?
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. other then the obvious.. get a credit card.. go to ther site and pay them ?
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[09:36] <Obsolete> no, i mean free
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> no clue. that would be theft.
[09:37] <Obsolete> theft??
[09:37] <Obsolete> why?
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> Because its a COMERCIAL PRODUCT
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[09:37] <Obsolete> what???
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> wine is free. wineX is not
[09:37] <Obsolete> wtf??
[09:37] <Obsolete> that sux
[09:37] <Obsolete> oh well
[09:38] <Obsolete> i wanna play doom 3 tho
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> play Doom3 under windows then I guess. or pay for winex, or wait for the native linux port.
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[09:39] <Obsolete> cool, doom 3 is coming out for linux??
[09:39] <Rupert-Giles> when
[09:39] <Obsolete> i heard about it before
[09:39] <Obsolete> brb, gonna get winex
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[09:40] <Phoenician> hello guys
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[09:40] <Phoenician> i just installed xserver-xfree86 what do i need more to get x started
[09:41] <Rupert-Giles> xfree86 is redundant
[09:41] <Phoenician> so what should i do ??/
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> what disrto?
[09:41] <Rupert-Giles> download xorg!!
[09:41] <Phoenician> its a clean installation with minimal packages
[09:41] <Rupert-Giles> baby yeh!!
[09:41] <Phoenician> debian basic install
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> normally you install X, confiure it.. then run 'startx'
[09:42] <Phoenician> x is xserver-xfree86 or something else
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[09:42] <Rupert-Giles> Dr_Willis, you still the love Doctor
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[09:42] <Rupert-Giles> heh
[09:42] Action: Dr_Willis will Always be the Dr of LoveOlogy
[09:42] <Rupert-Giles> hahaha
[09:42] <spike> lmao
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[09:43] <Phoenician> till now i installed gpm xserver-xfree86 and nothing elser "bitchx too"
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> Heh.
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[09:43] Action: sleon|tuX lets see what reiser4 can
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[09:44] <Phoenician> so guys any help for me ?
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> i';d say check the docs/homepage for your disrto. I got no clue what all ya need to do for debian
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> I do know debidn has oodles of guides/sites/docs out :P
[09:44] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, helppp i need you heeeeelllp
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> oodles = Lots :P
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[09:44] <sleon|tuX> i am dyeing here
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[09:45] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking when i last used debian and installed the X stuff. it started up the x config script and asked me some stuff. then i just had to run startx
[09:45] <Rupert-Giles> i think that's "dying"
[09:45] <Rupert-Giles> heh
[09:46] <Phoenician> after i installed x i typed startx itttt said command not found
[09:46] Action: Dr_Willis watches sleon|tuX  turn purple.
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> logout of that sell and relog back in
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> your path hasent been changed
[09:46] <Phoenician> ah ok
[09:46] <Phoenician> thnx alot
[09:46] <Phoenician> :)
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:47] <Phoenician> what about the window manager dont i need to download a window manager like fluxbox lets say ?
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> at least ya dident say "thats stupid of linux to not fix it for me" :P like i saw a newbie  do the other day.
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> ya proberly want to install a window manager or 3 :P
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> openbox, fluxbox, windowmaker, xfce4,
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> all good :P
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> then ya got the BIG daddies of Kde and gnome
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[09:49] <Phoenician> thnx alot Dr_Willis :)
[09:49] <Phoenician> ill log out then in then
[09:49] <Phoenician> see u later
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> ya dont have to totally log out
[09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/12 e/- I/-]
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> go to a new console. and relog in
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[09:50] <Dr_Willis> too late.
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> :P
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[09:51] <Phoenician> just after i finish the install of fluxbox do i just log out login or do i need to install anything more ?
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> just go to a new console and log in
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[09:52] <Dr_Willis> actually the path to fluxbox shoule be in your path also now.
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> so proberly no need to relogin at all
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[09:52] <Dr_Willis> ya may need to edit your users .xinitrc to start the right window manager.
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> example .xinitrc (MAKE ONE, if it dont exist)
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> xterm &
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> exec fluxbox
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> --- thats it - 2 lines ---
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> :P
[09:53] <Phoenician> :)
[09:54] <Phoenician> its in /etc ????
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[09:55] <Dr_Willis> no
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> its in the users home dir
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> note the .  in .xinitrc
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> :)
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[09:55] <Dr_Willis> the system wide xinitrc is in /etc/x11 somewhere
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[09:56] <Phoenician> i just loged in in a new shell
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[09:57] <Rupert-Giles> as root!
[09:57] <Phoenician> startx : command not found
[09:57] <Phoenician> yes im logged in as root
[09:57] <Rupert-Giles> well come out of it
[09:57] <Rupert-Giles> root is not good
[09:57] <Rupert-Giles> :D
[09:57] <Rupert-Giles> heh
[09:57] <Phoenician> thnx Rupert-Giles
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[09:58] <Phoenician> Dr_Willis got any i dea what might the problem be here
[09:58] <lars_g_> Yes I knwo I am root, it will be only a second
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[09:58] <Phoenician> I done so far apt-get install gpm then xserver-xfree86 then fluxbox nothing else
[09:59] <lars_g_> if I hace two cards of the same model in the same machine, and I even list onyl ONE card with lspci is there any way at all to make both cards to work or should I just forget it.
[09:59] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, cheacka your pathat babyde
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[10:00] Writing user file...
[10:00] Writing channel file...
[10:00] <lars_g_> Please?
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[10:00] <Rupert-Giles> echo $PATH
[10:00] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, as root do: echo $PATH|grep X11R6 && echo it is in path || echo my clever you need to set proper path to find it
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[10:01] <sleon|tuX> test -e  /usr/X11R6/bin/ |echo thx god it exists || ohhh nooo\!\!\!
[10:01] <sleon|tuX> + |
[10:01] <sleon|tuX> test -e  /usr/X11R6/bin/ && echo thx god it exists || ohhh nooo\!\!\!
[10:01] <lars_g_> sigh
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[10:01] <sleon|tuX> :P
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[10:03] <Phoenician> well i got a thnx god
[10:03] <sleon|tuX> :D
[10:03] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, and what did the first command?
[10:04] <Phoenician> X11r6 is not in path
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[10:04] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, r or R?
[10:04] <esac> has anyone tried to load balance VNC services using LVS ?
[10:04] <Phoenician> i got only X11 in path
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[10:05] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, do: echo PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin/:$PATH
[10:05] <sleon|tuX> and try again
[10:05] <Phoenician> X11R6
[10:06] <Phoenician> not there too
[10:06] <sleon|tuX> what is not there ?
[10:06] <Phoenician> X11R6
[10:06] <sleon|tuX> not in /usr ?
[10:06] <sleon|tuX> X11R6 should be in /usr
[10:06] <Phoenician> debian:~# echo $PATH
[10:07] <Phoenician> ,  /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
[10:07] <sleon|tuX> export PATH=/usr/X11R6/bin/:$PATH
[10:07] <sleon|tuX> sorry
[10:07] <sleon|tuX> :DDD
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[10:08] <Phoenician> ok now it is
[10:08] <sleon|tuX> halleluja
[10:08] <Phoenician> ok but no startx yet
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[10:08] <sleon|tuX> that means that you have not installed all needed files
[10:09] <Phoenician> I done so far apt-get install gpm then xserver-xfree86 then fluxbox nothing else
[10:09] <Phoenician> is that all ill need
[10:09] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, the package naming is debian specifik ask at #debian
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[10:10] <Phoenician> i dont know why i feel invisible at debian or maybe ignored
[10:10] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, so?
[10:10] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, then wait a sec
[10:10] <Phoenician> oups i guess its coz im logged in as root
[10:10] <sleon|tuX> yes
[10:10] <sleon|tuX> this is right
[10:10] <Phoenician> ill fix that :) theres an autoignore if u join with a root account
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[10:11] <sleon|tuX> say thx they not banned you
[10:11] <Phoenician> BRB thnx alot guys
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[10:11] <Phoenician> thnx to you for being so helpfull
[10:11] <sleon|tuX> :D
[10:11] <sleon|tuX> i was very helpfull
[10:12] <Phoenician> well yes i didnt get to solve my problem but u helped me alot get more understanding of what im doing
[10:12] <Phoenician> brb
[10:12] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, in my old times i would install whole your linux per ssh
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[10:13] <Dr_Willis>   /me wakes up
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> oops
[10:13] <sleon|tuX> /me wakes up too
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> actually i was thinking there was mor then just 1  'thing' to install to get x going.
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> for debian
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:14] <sleon|tuX> :)
[10:14] <sleon|tuX> debian is not a userfriendly distro anymore
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> and gpm has nothing to do with X :P
[10:14] <sleon|tuX> Dr_Willis, too debian specific :D
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[10:15] <Dr_Willis> sleon|tuX,  it has its pros and cons. I normally cheat and use Morphix and do a Hard drive install to get a base debian system going
[10:15] <sleon|tuX> Dr_Willis, yes, i use it on both my server
[10:15] <sleon|tuX> +s
[10:15] <sleon|tuX> but not on desktop
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> Been useing Suse mainly lately. its rather nice.
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> I need to track down a 'file server' disrto with a idiot proof install :P for a friend.
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> hes building a file server. and was tryng to install MDK6.0 the other day
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> Ewwww.
[10:16] <sleon|tuX> :)
[10:16] <sleon|tuX> but D is not flexiable enough for me on desktop
[10:16] <Dr_Willis> actualy a hd install of morphix light would handle that I think. with a few apt-gets
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[10:17] <Dr_Willis> there comes a time when ya got to just get some WORK DONE . :P and debian often makes that too much of a time sink
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> same with gentoo
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[10:17] <Dr_Willis> I was amazed that SUSE worked with my scanner/printer combo and stuff right from the start
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> well I got company. gotta split.
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[10:19] <marinos> i dont like SuSE ..
[10:19] Action: sleon|tuX and he is gone ...
[10:19] <sleon|tuX> marinos, suse is windows on linux
[10:19] Action: sleon|tuX *bash*
[10:19] <marinos> perhaps ... i dont like too much plugnplay
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[10:20] <marinos> on debian if you once configure it it works forever also after updates
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[10:20] <sleon|tuX> yes , if you once configure
[10:20] <sleon|tuX> marinos, *G
[10:20] <Phoenician> guys i got it
[10:20] <sleon|tuX> Phoenician, weee hhaaa
[10:20] <marinos> on suse its a pain to update
[10:20] <sleon|tuX> marinos, yes, they want to force you to buy new version
[10:21] <sleon|tuX> marinos, but it is also pain on debian
[10:21] <sleon|tuX> marinos, and you want something brand new
[10:21] <marinos> no i dont think so
[10:21] <Phoenician> ill tell u what it was but dont flame me I thought xserver-xfree86 was all what x needed well i didnt install x-window-system
[10:21] <sleon|tuX> marinos, and it is in other package tree,
[10:21] <sleon|tuX> TAADDAAA
[10:21] <sleon|tuX> the whole system with be replaced due to one small tiny package
[10:21] <marinos> Phoenician: hehe
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[10:22] <marinos> sleon|tuX: hmm if youre installing mixed versions perhaps
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[10:22] <sleon|tuX> marinos, when some new library is in other package tree, then you can not use it without replaceing the whole system
[10:23] <sleon|tuX> and it is only there, cause they don't want to take it into the stable one(only after 10 years)
[10:23] <nomad-> help! a coasted CD got stuck during a cp with IO errors.. i can't eject it now. killall -9 cp doesn't do the trick, neither does umount -l
[10:23] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, yes
[10:23] <marinos> a mixed system is actualy much better
[10:23] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, it waits for the device, you can't do anything
[10:23] <marinos> ... more realistic i would say
[10:23] <nomad-> sleon|tuX: i can only restart?
[10:23] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, yes
[10:24] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, :(
[10:24] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, or wait until the process stops waiting for the cdrom
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[10:24] <nomad-> sleon|tuX: i plugged the CD-ROM out
[10:24] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, if it was programed in, otherway it locks up
[10:24] <nomad-> yay IBM Thinkpads :)
[10:24] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, no, it stll waits for it
[10:24] <nomad-> nope
[10:24] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, hehe
[10:24] <sleon|tuX> nice
[10:24] <nomad-> eject works now
[10:24] <marinos> ouaaa it is 35 in greece ... i sit here in the rain
[10:24] <boyo123> when compiling a kernel, how do I set what is going to be displayed for uname -i
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[10:25] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, but by internal cdrom it would be not so easy
[10:25] <nomad-> sleon|tuX: true
[10:25] <sleon|tuX> boerst, edit the main Makefile
[10:25] <sleon|tuX> boerst, the lines
[10:25] <sleon|tuX> VERSION = 2
[10:25] <sleon|tuX> PATCHLEVEL = 6
[10:25] <sleon|tuX> SUBLEVEL = 8
[10:25] <sleon|tuX> EXTRAVERSION = .1-mm2
[10:25] <sleon|tuX> NAME=Zonked Quokka
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[10:25] <boyo123> ah, cool.. thanks
[10:26] <Kharn> what the easyest way to find the free space left on the hard drive?
[10:26] <sleon|tuX> boerst, make linux 100 from it
[10:26] <sleon|tuX> Kharn, df?
[10:26] <nomad-> Kharn: df -h
[10:26] <sleon|tuX> nomad-, :p
[10:26] <boyo123> oops messages are kernel crashes, right?
[10:27] <sleon|tuX> boerst, oops?
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[10:27] <sleon|tuX> oooooooooooooops
[10:27] <Kharn> thanks, i must have more problem cause it just locked my machine up :( still thats what i was looking for
[10:27] <sleon|tuX> ups?
[10:27] <boyo123> yep, I got this oops message  on reboot
[10:27] <sleon|tuX> Gee...  I don't know what oops means...
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[10:28] <boyo123> :P
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[10:28] <boyo123> oh well, thanks
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[10:35] <SilverFox> I'm interested in running a program every five minutes.  The program will exit with a 1 or a 0.  I need to keep the history of the exit codes.  I'm thinking maybe a graph.  Is there something out there that does this already?
[10:35] <nomad-> SilverFox: mrtg and cron i would assume
[10:36] <nomad-> mrtg for graphing
[10:36] <nomad-> and cron for running the program
[10:36] <SilverFox> I've used mrtg on routers/switches...  but could I get it to graph exit codes from an external program?
[10:36] <nomad-> i think so
[10:36] <nomad-> you can graph anything with mrtg
[10:38] <proc> some offtopic question: I have a sf.net project, and I imported 2 modules via import -m "blabla" <modulename> vendor start
[10:38] <proc> but when I want to check it out, cvs says it can't find the module
[10:39] <proc> no, wait
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[10:39] <proc> I can check it out with my developer account
[10:39] <proc> but not with pserver
[10:39] <green-> is there really any point to this trend of server manufacturers putting small "os drives" in servers these days?
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[10:41] <Big_Manz> ananke maybe you would know what causes this ..... the network interface on red hat es has a really high collision rate .... its not the network since there are no hubs, just switches and routers.  No other system is out there with the same ip and dns is working correctly .... any ideas (anyone?)
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[10:46] <Big_Manz> anyone else?
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[10:55] <CRoby> can anyone tell me why these 2 statements differ besides the usage of the directory? and if I'm using the directory, why won't it work. As in - -bash-2.05b$ ls -Fd /home/cobra1/public_html/db/*[^.zip,^.pl]| grep -v '/'   - won't work, but -bash-2.05b$ ls -Fd *[^.zip,^.pl]| grep -v '/'  -- will work....ideas?
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[10:59] <CRoby> any ideas anyone?
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[11:01] <dwight> hey i need some help with getting to habbo.ca
[11:01] <dwight> i was able to before, but now i cant, any help?
[11:02] <haze> in the first example, if you're ls'ing /home/blah/*, the output will include /home/blah/ prepended to all the filenames, whereas in the second example, only the file names will be listed.
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[11:03] <shadow98> hey guys trying to compile fwbuilder from source getting this error message -----> failure to open file: src/Makefiile
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[11:11] <stdout> wich package contains the dns command ?
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[11:12] <BigDoGg> when i run apt-get upgrade i'm getting this error
[11:12] <BigDoGg> The following packages have been kept back    php (4.3.6-1.3 => 4.3.8-1.1)    php-imap (4.3.6-1.3 => 4.3.8-1.1)    php-ldap (4.3.6-1.3 => 4.3.8-1.1)  ???
[11:12] <BigDoGg> what does that mean ?
[11:13] <BigDoGg> anyone?
[11:13] <stdout> maybe
[11:13] <stdout> there are some dependencies to satisfy
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[11:14] <BigDoGg> is there way to force it?  shouldn't it download the dependencies?
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[11:14] <stdout> BigDoGg, i don't know this since i don't use debian
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[11:15] <BigDoGg> actually this is fedora core 1 with apt-get
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[11:15] <BigDoGg> but i'm still using apt-get
[11:15] <BigDoGg> :(
[11:15] <stdout> realyy dunno
[11:15] <shadow98> well it looks like to me that debian developers are holding back that version of php for now
[11:15] <stdout> try to download
[11:16] <stdout> rhe listed packages
[11:16] <shadow98> anybody give me an idea on this one
[11:16] <shadow98> hey guys trying to compile fwbuilder from source getting this error message -----> failure to open file: src/Makefiile this is when i run ./configure
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[11:16] <BigDoGg> well if there holding them back then I will wait
[11:17] <BigDoGg> i like to you apt-get for all my updates
[11:17] <BigDoGg> thanks for the feedback
[11:17] <shadow98> i love debian....just hate that they don't stay more up to date..
[11:18] <shadow98> ive got it running on an old p166 mmx with 64 mb ram...laptop..
[11:18] <shadow98> im trying to install the newest fwbuilder from src and it won't let me do it...i keep getting that failure to open file error
[11:18] <BigDoGg> i just installed knoppix to my hard drive and did a apt-get update and upgrade it took 60 minutes and i'm done:)  it took my three days to get gentoo up on that damn laptop and i still didn't have sound!
[11:19] <shadow98> i can't get any help...and I can't find anything on google on how to fix it...i tried logging in as myself root...nothing works
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[11:19] <heinola_> hello all
[11:19] <shadow98> hello
[11:19] <heinola_> any had high ram usage in the 2.6.7 kern like 2x the usage
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[11:20] <heinola_> i compiled a 2.6.7 kern but i am using more mem   same desktop settings
[11:21] <nomad-> what distro would you recommend for my newbie sister?
[11:21] <shadow98> suse
[11:21] <stdout> lfs
[11:21] <shadow98> does everthing for you all you have to do is keep hitting next
[11:22] <stdout> or mandrake is ok
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[11:22] <MegaByte> Hey there.
[11:22] <MegaByte> How do I disable autocomplete on Firefox?
[11:22] <nomad-> MegaByte: check about:options
[11:23] <MegaByte> nomad-: I've gone there. What am I supposed to do?
[11:23] <shadow98> yeah mandrake or suse
[11:23] <nomad-> look for an autocomplete option
[11:23] <nomad-> what about Fedora?
[11:23] <MegaByte> nomad-: I did.
[11:23] <stdout> nomad-, this linux distros are all the same
[11:23] <MegaByte> There's NONE!
[11:24] <stdout> you can use fedora suse mandrake
[11:24] <heinola_> slackware
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[11:24] <shadow98> fedora sucks
[11:24] <nomad-> stdout: i know what the linux distros are.. it's just that my sister has to manage it by herself
[11:24] <stdout> <nomad-> what about Fedora?
[11:24] <stdout> then why are u asking ?
[11:24] <shadow98> in my eyes anyway
[11:24] <nomad-> and when it comes to ease of administration, there is a LOT about linux distros
[11:24] <nomad-> nevermind..
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[11:25] <heinola_> id say Suse or mandrake for easy use
[11:26] <shadow98> can anyone of you give me a clue to as what is causing this
[11:26] <shadow98> hey guys trying to compile fwbuilder from source getting this error message -----> failure to open file: src/Makefiile this is when i run ./configure
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[11:28] <shadow98> distro is debian
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[11:30] <shadow98> now where did everyone go...did i scare you guys off...
[11:31] <fred87> yep
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[11:32] <spike> shadow98: why are u compiling it?
[11:32] <spike> shadow98: are u running woody?
[11:32] <spike> is it for a server or a desktop?
[11:32] <shadow98> yes
[11:33] <shadow98> right now im just doing it at work on this old laptop i have..
[11:33] <shadow98> going to take the config home to use on my box there
[11:33] <shadow98> and because the version debian has is to old
[11:34] <shadow98> i can't look at some of the config files that i have because it an older version
[11:34] <sleon|tuX> please someone present me your laptop
[11:34] <shadow98> and i am running woody...
[11:34] <shadow98> sleon: why do you say that?
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[11:36] <sleon|tuX> shadow98, because i dream of a laptop
[11:36] <sleon|tuX> shadow98, i have wireless lan, and then i will sit in the sun and hack on my linux
[11:36] <sleon|tuX> and not sit whole day in the dark
[11:36] <sleon|tuX> thats why
[11:38] <spike> then get a job and buy yourself one instead of sitting in the dark the whole day
[11:38] <sleon|tuX> :D
[11:38] <sleon|tuX> spike, will do
[11:38] <shadow98> hehehe
[11:39] <shadow98> this is one i just found here in the test lab stuffed in a cabinet..not being used....p166 mmx 64 mb ram
[11:39] <shadow98> and in installed debian from floppy...it was so beautiful...
[11:39] Action: sleon|tuX *wines*
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[11:40] <shadow98> so i thought i would put it to use...right now im just using it to test things I want to do on my home box...so i don't have to reinstall everytime i screw something up..heheh
[11:41] <shadow98> spike: do you have any idea why i might be getting that error?
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[11:42] <spike> shadow98: many, but it's almost 27 hours I'm up and need few hours nap
[11:42] <spike> and to take care of my gf before she decides to leave ;)
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[11:42] <spike> later all
[11:42] <spike> shadow98: btw use fireHOL :)
[11:43] <spike> shadow98: porting it to woody is really easy and building a good firewall with it is question of minutes
[11:43] <spike> shadow98: it's not packaged for woody, but add an src mirror (testing) and run apt-get --compile source firehol and enjoy the magic ;)
[11:44] <spike> shadow98: or wait for me to be back and I'll put up on a server so u can d/l it
[11:44] <spike> bye bye
[11:44] <shadow98> how do you add a source mirror
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[11:45] <spike> vi /etc/apt/sources.list -> deb-src your_mirror
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[11:49] <Johan> Hi
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[11:56] <tlhiv> any Squirrelmail users here?
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[11:57] <boerst> sleon|tuX: ? :)
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[12:02] <spiekey> hi
[12:03] <spiekey> has anyone an idea how i could convert a *.vmsg: (VBOX voice message data) to wav or mp3?
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[12:07] <vnet> Im trying to use ipchains on redhat 7.3 to block all traffic other than ssh (port 22) and http (port 80) but I cant seem tog e tit to work
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[12:08] <vnet> Has anyone done this or is savvy with ipchains?
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[12:09] <Sembiance> How can I create a file under linux exactly 100,000 bytes large? Doesn't matter what the byte values are.
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[12:10] <vnet> progrma a loop that output one character
[12:10] <vnet> to a text file
[12:10] <vnet> 100000 times
[12:10] <vnet> one ascii char is a byte
[12:12] <lurch_> Sembiance, use dd
[12:13] <Sembiance> I just wrote a quick bash script
[12:13] <Sembiance> for ((a=1; a <= $1 ; a++))
[12:13] <Sembiance> do
[12:13] <Sembiance>    echo -n ' ' >> $2
[12:13] <Sembiance> done
[12:13] <Sembiance> ./makeBigFile 100000 file.dat
[12:13] <Sembiance> vnet: thank you
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[12:14] <collin_> Help, i'm instering to make my linux save core files under the name Core_Time_Date_ProgName , so that .core file wont be overwritten everytime the process crashes, i mean everytime prog crashes core file will be saved under unique name
[12:14] <Sembiance> it's slow though
[12:14] <Sembiance> so I'll look into using dd :)
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[12:31] <linuxfreck> Sembiance: dd if=/dev/zero of=file.dat bs=100000 count=1
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[12:42] <Acid_Reign> I have a USR 5610 56k modem, trying to get it to work on Mandrake 9.1, anyone out there willing to help me? Thanks a lot.
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[12:50] <Rioriorio> Hey everyone
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[12:55] <Acid_Reign> I have a USR 5610 56k modem, trying to get it to work on Mandrake 9.1, anyone out there willing to help me? Thanks a lot.
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[13:04] <Rioriorio> will a mandrake rpm work on fedora?
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[13:16] <newbien>  /cl
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[13:20] <AlienX> Anyone have any luck with a 4g ipod and linux? I'm currently running kernel 2.6.8.1 and every time I try to mount /mnt/sda or /mnt/sda2 I get a 'can't read superblock' error.
[13:22] Tcl error in script for 'timer1964519':
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[13:22] <proc> hello
[13:22] <proc> some off-topic Q: is there a way to clean a cvs repository? I'm thinking about some "delete EVERYTHING" stuff
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[13:25] <Phoenician> when i try to apt-get setup sfter getting the package when apt starts to install i get the following error dpkg: parse error, in file /var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 4835 package kdelibs3-crypto : error in version string 16384:  : nothing after colon in version number       what can i do about it or what might have cozed it
[13:28] <newbien> Phoenician look at all the files mentioned in the error?
[13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[13:34] <Phoenician> newbien ok and  that doesnt even ring a bell for me
[13:34] <Phoenician> :(
[13:34] <newbien> all the files exist?
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[13:36] <newbien> all the files mentioned exist?
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[13:41] <Phoenician> newbien` it used to work well but after a apt-et dist-upgrade while the dpkg wanted me to configure something it freesed i had to killall5
[13:41] <Phoenician> i guess this cozed some corrupted files
[13:42] <Phoenician> is there a way to fix it ?
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[13:42] <Acid_Reign> I just installed Mandrake 9.1, and I'm trying to get my modem to run. it's a USR 56k model 5610. In the Hardware section of the Mandrake Control Center the modem is listed under Unknown/Other devices, the only part left out is the Module, it is marked as 'Unknown'. I've tried dialing, and I just hang at 'Initializing Modem'. Any help is really appreciated.
[13:43] <newbien> Phoenician yes, should be a way, learn how to uninstall the apt=get that you had to dump out of; then reinstall the apt-get again
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[13:44] <newbien> acid go to usr.com, think all you have to do is change the /tty setting
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[13:45] <newbien> Acid_Reign usr modem support is built into most kernels
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[13:47] <Acid_Reign> I haven't found anything for linux support at usr.com, except an rpm file
[13:47] <Phoenician> newbien im using debian is that possible ?
[13:47] <newbien> Phoenician i dont know, you have to see for yourself
[13:48] <newbien> Acid_Reign v92 56k modem?
[13:48] <Rioriorio> where am i suppose to put the rpm file if i want to run it threw terminal?
[13:49] <Acid_Reign> I'm not sure if it's v92
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[13:49] <Acid_Reign> v90 I think
[13:49] <Acid_Reign> but 56k yes, model 5610
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[13:50] <newbien> Acid_Reign search usr.com for: model 5610 linux ??
[13:50] <Acid_Reign> ok i'll try
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[13:52] <Sembiance> Fish, plankton, sea greens! Protein from the sea!
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[13:53] <newbien> Acid_Reign think your modem should be set to /dev/ttyS4
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[13:53] <newbien> Sembiance yummy ;)
[13:53] <Acid_Reign> it's listed as COM3 in windows
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[13:54] <newbien> Acid_Reign diff in linux, find those usr docs
[13:54] <Acid_Reign> but it won't even begin dialing on anything but ttys0 and 1
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[13:54] <newbien> Acid_Reign already tried /dev/ttyS4 and /dev/ttyS5 ??
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[13:55] <Acid_Reign> newbien: yes
[13:55] <aphexer> When logged in phically i can do startx but when logged in through ssh it says: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. When trying startx through ssh as root it works. what can I do to make this work for a normal user?
[13:56] <linuxfreck> aphexer: why do you want to run X through ssh? which distro do you use?
[13:56] <aphexer> debian; i have weird intentions
[13:56] <newbien> Acid_Reign set rc.serial to /dev/ttyS4 or /dev/ttyS5 each time you tried?
[13:57] <linuxfreck> aphexer: man Xwrapper.config
[13:57] <aphexer> linuxfreck: one intention is to hook x11vnc on it :)
[13:57] <aphexer> ok
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[13:57] <Acid_Reign> newbien I'm not sure what rc.serial is, but I've tried all the different ones listed in the configuration tool
[13:57] <newbien> Acid_Reign distro?
[13:57] <Acid_Reign> newbien mandrake 9.1
[13:58] <newbien> Acid_Reign mdk uses a config tool for modem setup?
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[13:59] <Acid_Reign> newbien yes, it's in the Mdk Control Center
[13:59] <Acid_Reign> and I also tried pppk
[13:59] <newbien> Acid_Reign k, do you need to reboot after each modem setup?
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[14:00] Writing user file...
[14:00] Writing channel file...
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[14:00] <Acid_Reign> newbien no
[14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
[14:01] <Acid_Reign> not that I know of, anyway
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[14:03] <newbien> acid cat /proc/ioports   and look for your modem
[14:03] <Acid_Reign> just type that into console?
[14:03] <newbien> yea
[14:03] <Acid_Reign> k, brb
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[14:05] <Lars_G> Hellooo all....
[14:05] <Lars_G> Anyone wants to play "let's help the boy" ??
[14:05] <Lars_G> ;)
[14:05] <newbien> hehe
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[14:06] <Lars_G> like for example, help the boy determine why a newly unpacked 2.6.8 source (kernel) is configured, compiled, and when the modules are installed nearly %100 of them are missing one symbol or another?
[14:07] <newbien> Lars_G symbol?
[14:07] <Lars_G> they can't find needed symbols in the other modules or kernel map
[14:08] <blissex> Lars_G: 'depmod -a'
[14:08] <Lars_G> yes blissex
[14:09] <blissex> Lars_G: that should be run automatically by 'modules_install' but you never know....
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[14:09] <Lars_G> it is, and it is him who tells me all the modules are missing symbols
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[14:10] <Lars_G> it's not a modules.dep problem.... :)
[14:10] <Lars_G> unless...
[14:10] <Lars_G> hmmm mmmhmmm
[14:10] <blissex> Lars_G: unless somehow the compilation for one or more of the modules got screwed up.
[14:10] <Lars_G> blissex: wait, as far as I remember 2.4's depmod failed to work with 2.6 modules and the inverse was tru too, right?
[14:11] <Lars_G> I am compiling using a machine under 2.4.20
[14:11] <blissex> Lars_G: yes, but the new modutils should be installed regardless, as they call the old ones if needed.
[14:11] <Lars_G> that might be it... if depmod is ever run at init, I should be able to boot the newer kernel and be done.
[14:11] <Lars_G> who installs them? modules_install ??
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[14:12] <blissex> Lars_G: you install one or the other package. How depends on the distribution you use.
[14:13] <Lars_G> ahaaaa
[14:13] <Lars_G> depmod reports Unresolved symbols?  depmod from modutils instead of
[14:13] <Lars_G>   depmod from module-init-tools is first in $PATH (might be different
[14:13] <Lars_G>   $PATHs as $USER and $ROOT)
[14:13] <Acid_Reign> newbien: this is what came up: 000-a007 US Robotics/3Com 56k FaxModem Model 5610
[14:13] <Lars_G> could be this, could be module-init-tools is not installed
[14:13] <Lars_G> it's a redhat 9 system btw (I don't like redhat but it's what the machine has)
[14:14] <blissex> Lars_G: install the 'module-init-tools', it will be backwards compatible.
[14:14] <Lars_G> nod
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[14:14] <Lars_G> hmmm thanks
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[14:15] <newbien> Acid_Reign good, now read the /etc/ppp/options file and look for the tty setting
[14:15] <Acid_Reign> just put that in the console?
[14:15] <Acid_Reign> I know nothing about commands, sorry
[14:15] <newbien> Acid_Reign less /etc/ppp/options
[14:16] <Acid_Reign> ok
[14:16] <newbien> Acid_Reign you really need to read the manuals ;)
[14:16] <Lars_G> kernel.org I pressume?
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[14:16] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I don't have any printed, and I want to read linux manuals on Linux :D
[14:17] <Acid_Reign> brb
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[14:17] <newbien> Acid_Reign no help in mandrake getting started files?
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[14:19] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
[14:19] <xnix> does anyone know how to setup two mice devices to work at the same time in X
[14:19] <newbien> any mdk users here?
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[14:20] <DJNunez> whats the file that I need to add to my ~ dir that will tell startx to launch enlightenment
[14:21] <newbien> DJNunez man xwmconfig ??
[14:21] <Lars_G> .xinitrc ??
[14:22] <blissex> newbien: ask you questions, don't poll for people... Ina ny case check #mandrake first...
[14:22] <rmcc> how do i get foo application to launch everytime x starts?
[14:22] <newbien> unix you got 2 mouse ports on your pc?
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[14:23] <DJNunez> whats the command for enlightenment?
[14:23] <newbien> blissex k, acid_reign needs modem setup help on mdk, he's a new newbie
[14:23] <blissex> rmcc: various ways, typically '~/.xsession'. Check also 'man xsm'
[14:24] <rmcc> so i would just add gaim on the first line of .xsession correct?
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[14:25] <agraupe> what is the best way to convert a collection of music from ogg to mp3?
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[14:26] <blissex> rmcc: depends on what you want to do, and I suspect  that should be 'gaim&'. But check 'man xsm' too.
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[14:27] <Acid_Reign> newbien: This is what I got: lock
[14:27] <blissex> agraupe: that is not a good idea... But other than that, there are many command line converters.
[14:27] <Acid_Reign> newbien: whoops, here: Lock noauth noipdefault usepeerdns
[14:27] <agraupe> blissex: I know it's not a good idea.  can these tools preserve the tags?
[14:28] <agraupe> blissex: if so, please tell me what they are :)
[14:28] <blissex> agraupe: no idea sorry...
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[14:29] <codex> hi every one
[14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[14:30] <codex> i open a '.c' file with vi and the syntax highlighting isn't working, instead its showing underlines instead can someone please help
[14:30] <codex> and the syntax highlighting is turn on in the ".vimrc" file
[14:31] <Acid_Reign> newbien: Did you get that?
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[14:32] <newbien> Acid_Reign i dont use mdk so can not help you further; ask your question again on this channel
[14:32] <blissex> codex: you mean it is in black and white and it uses underlining to highlight the syntax?
[14:32] <codex> yes
[14:32] <codex> i think i have some thing to do with the terminal, iam using xterm
[14:33] <Acid_Reign> newbien: Ok, thanks for the help anyways
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[14:33] <codex> if i use Eterm its showing witht the syntax highlighting, but not when i use xterm
[14:34] <blissex> codex: syntax highlighting is then working, but in font change mode (B&W) instead of color mode. Probably the terminal description says the terminal is black and white only. Try changing the environment variable 'TERM' to have value 'xterm-color'
[14:34] <newbien> Acid_Reign you know your modem is there anyway ;)
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[14:35] <newbien> Acid_Reign did mandrake take you thru a setup process for the modem when you first installed mdk?
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[14:35] <Acid_Reign> Trying to get my USR 56k modem [model 5610] running on mdk 9.1, in the hardware portion of mdk control center it lists my modem under Uknown/Other hardware, everything is filled in except the Module, which is listed as 'unknown'. When trying to dial I hang on 'initializing modem'. Any help I can get is grealy appreciated.
[14:35] <Acid_Reign> newbien: yeah it did
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[14:36] <masca> hi
[14:36] <newbien> Acid_Reign if no help here then try #mandrake
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[14:36] <codex> blissex: thanks is working properly now
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[14:38] <newbien> Acid_Reign modem works ok in windows?
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[14:38] <Lars_G> I tell you all
[14:38] <Acid_Reign> newbien: yeah fine
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[14:39] <newbien> Acid_Reign good, do a net search for: usr 5610 mandrake  ??
[14:39] <Lars_G> redhat 9 + kernel 2.6 + module-init-tools = big PITA
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[14:40] <blissex> Lars_G: ever heard about why the bleeding edge is called ``bleeding''?
[14:40] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I've googled for a couple hours on it. I haven't found much that worked. The only thing I haven't tried is a command, but I don't know how to run the command
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[14:40] <newbien> Acid_Reign try #mandrake ??
[14:41] <Acid_Reign> newbien: i posted problem in there, no response yet
[14:41] <Lars_G> blissex: Bah, I've never bled over 2.6 in debian or gentoo :P
[14:41] <newbien> Acid_Reign k, mandrake.com and search there?
[14:41] <blissex> Lars_G: been lucky...
[14:42] <Lars_G> I've bled over other stuff I admit, but not over these two
[14:42] <Lars_G> ;)
[14:42] <Lars_G> only time was the first time I forgot to make my initrd
[14:42] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I'll do that now
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[14:44] <Acid_Reign> i searched at mandrakesoft.com and mandrake-linux.com, nothing
[14:44] <iratsu> has anyone had any success getting a usb watch working under linux?
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[14:45] <newbien> Acid_Reign usr.com and search for: usr 5610 mandrake linux ??
[14:46] <Acid_Reign> newbien: yeah I've done that
[14:47] <newbien> Acid_Reign k, what dialer are you using when that error is posted?
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[14:47] <codex> if a change is made in the font size in the ".Xdefauts" file what do i have to do to update the changes ?
[14:48] <blissex> iratsu: just ask your question directly...
[14:48] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I'm not sure exactly, but kppp I think
[14:48] <blissex> codex: rephrase your question....
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[14:50] <codex> i make a change in the "Xdefauls" file, what do i have to do to update it , after i finished editing it ?
[14:50] <newbien> Acid_Reign kppp is the best, did you do a modem query under test modem i think?
[14:50] <blissex> codex: 'xrdb ~/.Xdefaults'
[14:50] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I'm not sure, but I think so
[14:50] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I disremember the results
[14:50] <blissex> Acid_Reign: there are many other frontends to dialing, consider also 'wvdial', but 'kppp' is pretty good.
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[14:51] <codex> thaks
[14:51] <Acid_Reign> blissex: would a different dialer help me connect?
[14:52] <blissex> Acid_Reign: if you modem is installed right, any will do, choose the one that looks simpler to you.
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[14:52] <newbien> Acid_Reign cat /proc/tty/driver/serial from the console and write all the info down
[14:52] <blissex> Acid_Reign: the problem is that probably yoru modem is not set up correctly :-)
[14:53] <Acid_Reign> newbien: ok newbien
[14:54] <newbien> blissex yea, usr 5610 modem should run on /ttyS4 or /ttyS5 but his does not
[14:54] <Acid_Reign> brb
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[15:06] <Acid_Reign> newbien: 0: uart:16550A port:3f8 irq:4 tx:0 rx:0               1: uart:16550A prt:2f8 irq:3 tx:0 rx:0                      4: uart:16550A port:A000 irq:12 tx:0 CTS|DSR
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[15:06] <newbien> Acid_Reign looks good
[15:07] <Acid_Reign> ok
[15:08] <Acid_Reign> but.. it still doesn't connect :(
[15:08] <newbien> Acid_Reign http://www.usr.com/support/5610/5610-files/5610-ig.pdf
[15:08] <thebag> I'm trying to connect to my linux computer (ssh) using putty.. I was able to connect before, but now I'm getting "Network error: Connection refused".. anyone know what the problem may be?
[15:09] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I have another pdf from usr.com too, but I just formatted and have to download adobe :(
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[15:10] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I gotta get going, rl. Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it
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[15:10] <newbien> Acid_Reign keep at it ;)
[15:11] <thebag> oops.. no, there is no error, putty is just exiting without any error
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[15:12] <newbien> thebag ssh as root or user?
[15:12] <agraupe> does anyone know what might be causing a USB mass storage device to falsely report it's full?
[15:13] <thebag> well before I would just type in the ip, port, and it would bring me to the console asking me, and I could logon with both root or a user... but now I don't even get that option
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[15:13] <thebag> it just exits as soon as I click the connect button
[15:14] <newbien> thebag read the ssh man for errors like that?
[15:14] <thebag> hehe.. damn.. maybe the linux computer just needs a reboot
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[15:15] <thebag> it was working perfect before, all the time.. I haven't changed any settings or anything, and now it just doesn't work
[15:16] <Lars_G> blissex: Are you a help desk?
[15:16] <blissex> Lars_G: no, I am a long time UNIX/Linux developer and system administrator that occasionally volunteers a few hours to help poor newbies on IRC.
[15:16] <newbien> thebag yea, i'd look at that linux box
[15:17] <Lars_G> blissex: You are kind to do that, and then it's the sysadmin experience, seems you've handled people asking for help before ;)
[15:17] <Lars_G> thebag: Most possibly the box is down, the daemon is down or the port was closed.
[15:17] <thebag> newbien: hehe yeah I'm just gonna try a reboot.. if that doesn't work, I think I'll just give up
[15:17] <blissex> Lars_G: lots of times, even over the phone. So I know what to ask... And I am just very patient by nature :-).
[15:17] <thebag> Lars_G: how would that have happened? I haven't really done anything to that computer
[15:18] <Lars_G> blissex: Yes but you also are very direct at directing people :)
[15:18] <Lars_G> thebag: I am talking about the server...
[15:18] <thebag> Lars_G: yeah I use that computer as my server
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[15:19] <Lars_G> thebag: something must've changed for the rejection to ocur so fast and using that error message means the port/daemon is not responding in all cases i've met so far
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[15:21] <thebag> oh, I was wrong about that error.. I was trying to log on to the wrong system... while trying to log onto the right system, putty just closes without any error messages ro anything right after I click connect
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[15:25] <Doranman> does anyone know if there is a way to link two folders?
[15:25] <newbien> opinions about using the xfs vs ext2 fs?
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[15:27] <newbien> Doranman man ln  ??
[15:28] <blissex> newbien: XFS is definitely nicer than 'ext2', but 'ext3' is almost as nice as XFS and much better supported by a lot of stuff.
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[15:30] <newbien> blissex thanks, ever used xfs personally?
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[15:30] <Doranman> hey newbien
[15:30] <Doranman> got a question for ya
[15:30] <blissex> newbien: not a lot. I use almost only 'ext3'. It is good enough and I care about compatibility...
[15:31] <newbien> blissex yea, compatibility is central for me
[15:31] <newbien> Doranman ask away
[15:31] <Doranman> i have two hard drives I have a program, mythtv that searches in a folder for media/etc. I want the new harddriver to be able to increase the size of this folder
[15:31] <Doranman> how can i do this
[15:32] <Doranman> could i mount the drive in a sub directory and hope it will search subdirectories?
[15:32] <Doranman> just thought of that
[15:32] <blissex> Doranman: sort of.
[15:33] <blissex> newbien: depends also on what you mean by ``compatibility''. For me it is that just about any tool out there, andy floppy or CD based rescue disk will be able to read and work on 'ext[23]' partitions by default, and there are even MS Windows utilities and drivers that read 'ext[23]' filesystems.
[15:34] <blissex> newbien: but _application_ compatibility from withing Linux is very good for XFS too.
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[15:35] <newbien> blissex thanks, xfs is now offered as an fs on slack so it must have acceptable behaviour on linux
[15:36] <blissex> newbien: under Linux itself all the major filesystems behave pretty well: JFS, XFS, ReiserFS, ReiserFS4, from an application point of view.
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[15:37] <newbien> blissex good, any caviots with xfs?
[15:37] <Doranman> newbien: what formating software would you recommend
[15:37] <Doranman> was it cfdisk?
[15:37] <newbien> Doranman fdisk or cfdisk
[15:38] <Doranman> hmm yeah
[15:38] <Doranman> is there anywhere I can find a step by step of creating a simple partition
[15:38] <newbien> Doranman oops, fdisk will not format, i think
[15:38] <Doranman> i have searched online and found stuff but i get errors
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[15:39] <Doranman> i keep getting input/output errors when trying to create a fs using parted
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[15:39] <newbien> Doranman did you try a to format that HD under DOS or bios?
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[15:39] <Doranman> linux at the terminal
[15:39] <Doranman> its another hd
[15:39] <Doranman> like i am adding more capacity to my machine
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[15:40] <newbien> Doranman yea, but did you format under dos or bios?
[15:40] <Doranman> neither
[15:40] <Doranman> i havnt formated it i guess
[15:41] <Doranman> its an old hd with windows data on it
[15:41] <newbien> Doranman your fdisk partioning will fail on a corrupted HD so you need to check it with format on dos or bios
[15:41] <Doranman> i want to erase it and create it as a parition on this nix box
[15:42] <Doranman> ok
[15:42] <Doranman> so how do i do that?
[15:42] <newbien> got windows?
[15:42] <Doranman> not in a desktop box
[15:42] <Doranman> just laptop
[15:43] <newbien> k, reboot and go into bios and see if you can format that HD, the right one ;)
[15:43] <Doranman> newbien, i can create a partition
[15:43] <Doranman> just not a filesystem
[15:44] <Doranman> what can i use to make a fs
[15:44] <Doranman> mkfs right?
[15:44] <newbien> you already did that sucessfully?
[15:44] <Doranman> yeah I created a partition ok
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[15:45] <newbien> under bios?
[15:45] <Doranman> how do I do it in bios
[15:45] <newbien> think bios will only format
[15:46] <Doranman> i have never heard of bios formating hds
[15:46] <benja22> me either
[15:46] <Doranman> thats why I am so confused
[15:48] <Lars_G> I want your oppinion group...
[15:48] <Lars_G> My main distros are Gentoo and Debian... I install one or the other depending on how fast the system is and when it's needed (fast and needed within the next days or weeks, Gentoo, slow or fast and needed NOW, debian)
[15:49] <Lars_G> but I am getting tired at how stable (read old) woody is becomming
[15:49] <Lars_G> meanwhile sarge is being readied for release what distro do you think a debian lover would like?
[15:49] <Lars_G> I like distros that are as usseable in console only as in graphical mode, that are geared thowards servers or workstation principally...
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[15:50] <Lars_G> what do you say? slackware maybe?
[15:50] <newbien> Doranman you got a HD that will not allow fdisk  to make a partition table, the HD is corrupt or broken, so all i can think of is to format the disk, dont think you can do a format HD in linux
[15:51] <Lars_G> low level format? hadn't seen one of those in almost a decade!! never done one in software and award bioses stopped carrying those when... 1995? 96?
[15:51] <newbien> Lars_G slackware is best for your described needs
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[15:51] <Lars_G> newbien: What about packaging? is slackware's packaging system anywhere near apt? can I use network sources easily? is it propietary or is it a manifested-tgz-cpio-ar-somethign ??
[15:53] <newbien> Lars_G pkg system is like deb, slack uses .tgz files which are pre compiled binarys and installation instructions; i compile source tar files all the time with little problem
[15:53] <Mxyzpltk> Lars_G: slack pkgs are simple, nothing close to apt, they are tgz with the files that go in each dir and a pre and post inst script... nothing fancy... you don't get dependency download or anything like that... wich is the way we like it...
[15:53] <Mxyzpltk> Lars_G: there are newer apps for slack like "slapt-get" but I have not tryied them...
[15:54] <Mxyzpltk> and are not part of slackware dist.
[15:54] <newbien> Lars_G pkgtools for slack are nearly bulletproof and easy to use
[15:54] <Mxyzpltk> you can get most of the apps that are not in slackware in linuxpackages.net also... anything else you make yourself...
[15:54] <Lars_G> hmmm I will miss automatic download of dependencies but I'll give slack a ride
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[15:55] <newbien> Lars_G think you will like it alot ;)
[15:55] <Mxyzpltk> it's pretty good, and it won't do anything you don't tell it to... wich is what I like the most, tryied sid for a while, but didn't like it too much...
[15:55] <Lars_G> Mxyzpltk: I like my binary only distros binary only :) I am not affraid of compiling stuff, but sometimes there is no time, power or space for it
[15:56] <Mxyzpltk> yes, me too...
[15:57] <newbien> Lars_G i've tried and was successful in converting deb and rpm files to targz and then installing, but only as a test and for fun
[15:59] <Mxyzpltk> there's no much need to compile stuff in slack anymore, at least not as much as before, the comunity at linuxpackages.net it's pretty big now, check it and you'll see all the apps you need... or a good bunch at least...
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[16:03] <newbien> Mxyzpltk do ppl make their own tgz of apps not offered in the slack distro?
[16:04] <Mxyzpltk> yes
[16:04] <newbien> Mxyzpltk at the linuspackages.net site that is?
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[16:04] <Mxyzpltk> with checkinstall it's pretty simple, if the source has make install, you run checkinstall instead and makes you a package...
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[16:05] <Mxyzpltk> newbien: yes, you make the package and submit it for testing and aproval, then it goes on the site...
[16:05] <newbien> Mxyzpltk cool, never tried check install yet either, will try it
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[16:06] <newbien> Mxyzpltk what i do is just use a configure switch to install the app locally instead of cluttering up the distro
[16:07] <darnit> hey I just made a samba share on my linux and when I try to connect from my XP box I get a login prompt to login to that server. I type in the username and password of an existing user in my passwd file but I cannot connnect. I changed encrypt passwords = yes and smb passwd file /etc/samba/smbpasswd in the smb.conf file but I still cannot login. can anyone see a problem I am running into possibly?
[16:07] <mirco> Could some pls spread some light on my prob?
[16:08] Tcl error in script for 'timer1967397':
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[16:08] <mirco> have U created an user using smbpasswd -a
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[16:08] <darnit> ahh that's the command I need, lemme try that real fast.
[16:08] <Mxyzpltk> newbien: yes, that's how it should be done, but now that checkinstall is mature it makes life easy... it'll make you a docs dir, pre and post and the complete story...
[16:08] <matt_> darnit, you have to add a user on samba with the same username / passwd as the passwd file
[16:09] <mirco> darnit: U first have to create the unix user than U can create a samba user
[16:09] <darnit> right
[16:09] <newbien> Mxyzpltk yea, i like accountability of the install
[16:09] <mirco> Could someone pls tell me how to set up a virtual bridging ethernet device
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[16:16] <newbien>  /cl
[16:16] <darnit> ok I have the login working because I added a user that resided in my passwd file into the smbpasswd file, now my problem is when I try to connect to my share (path = /<directory>) it says it cannot find the share. any reason why this may be?
[16:17] <darnit> the permissions are just fine, I recursivley made them 777
[16:17] <darnit> on that directory
[16:18] <newbien> darnit try any other dir's?
[16:19] <darnit> that's the only one I shared
[16:19] <darnit> there is the printers share /var/spool/samba
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[16:19] <DJNunez> whats the command to put into .xinitrc to start enlightenment?
[16:19] <darnit> I'll try connecting to that share
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[16:21] <newbien> DJNunez man xwmconfig
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[16:22] <darnit> hmm that's a no go. when I try to browse for a folder in XP I go to "Microsoft Windows Network" > "Mygroup" > "Nicksrv"   but no shares show up, (btw Nicksrv is the name of the linux computer I am trying to make share)
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[16:22] <DJNunez> newbien, I dont have xwmconfig
[16:23] <newbien> DJNunez distro?
[16:23] <DJNunez> Redhat Fedona
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[16:23] <newbien> DJNunez no config file in rh to set window manager?
[16:24] <DJNunez> i can do it with .xinitrc
[16:24] <DJNunez> just need to know the name for enlighenment
[16:24] <newbien> Doranman man enlightenment or locate enlightenment
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[16:26] <newbien> DJNunez, that is
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[16:27] <darnit> ok I checked the log file for my XP machine that tried to connect /var/log/samba/nickcomp.log  and every time I tried to connect it gave me the error "couldn't find service <directory>"
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[16:28] <capcrunch> anyone has setup sendmail ??
[16:29] <newbien> darnit similiar problems on this chan by reading the mount man and looking at the -o switches, maybe
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[16:29] <edeca> Anybody here know a way to remove a symlink without using a tool that's linked to anything?  All linked binaries are screwed because of this symlink, I need to remove it ASAP
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[16:30] <newbien> capcrunch distro?
[16:30] <mirco> how about knoppix or systemrescue-cd
[16:30] <edeca> mirco: It's miles away with no CD>
[16:30] <darnit> you know what, I got it working, thanks for the help guys
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[16:31] <darnit> I was using the wrong share name :(
[16:31] <newbien> darnit how, for the record?
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[16:31] <mirco> edeca: thaught about debootstrap
[16:31] <newbien> dammit cool
[16:31] <darnit> ^ I was trying to go to the actuall directory when it was actually what was in the   '[]' s such as [public]
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[16:32] <edeca> mirco: This is a gentoo machine that can't currently run ANYTHING.
[16:32] <darnit> well you learn by experince, I guess that's good
[16:32] <newbien> darnit, yea, gotta have the whole path in there ;)
[16:34] <darnit> well it's like an alias thing, I had the correct path = /<directory name> but I was trying to connect to that instead of [public] (which I have just changed to [<directory name>] )
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[16:35] <darnit> ok well thanks again I'll be back I know it heh
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[16:35] <newbien> darnit have fun ;)
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[16:36] <capcrunch> slackware
[16:37] <capcrunch> i cant send mail to hotmail accounts and such
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[16:37] <capcrunch> only mail to my box and users accounts in my system
[16:37] <bearcat> hey folks
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[16:38] <newbien> capcrunch slack is good, sendmail up and running now?
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[16:38] <capcrunch> yes but i cant send mail to outisde
[16:38] <mirco> edeca: sorry, that was my little buch of ideas
[16:39] <edeca> mirco: No problems
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[16:40] <newbien> capcrunch use mail or nail to send the mail?
[16:40] <bearcat> I'm trying to get an xdm base display manager called entrance running. It's part of Enlightenment. The instructions say to make sure that my xsession files are set up. It is refering to the files in /etc/X11/xdm. I've looked all over the net, but i can't get this working.
[16:40] <bearcat> can someone give me a hand?
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[16:42] <bearcat> I've tried expanding the case..esac statement in /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession, but it doesn't seem to pick up the wm I've choosen.
[16:43] <newbien> bearcat follow the instructions in the entrance tarball?
[16:43] <bearcat> newbien: yes..all they tell me is that i need to have a xsession system set up (or use direct path names, but that's busted).
[16:44] <bearcat> newbien: you're speaking of the README file or is thre another one i missed?
[16:44] <newbien> bearcat read all the docs in the entrance tarball?
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[16:45] <Spanska> I have a wireless network but I don't want to use WEP. I thought about using IPSec instead with Radius authentication or something like that. Could it be possible? If it is, I'd like my Linux gateway to only give Internet access to authenticated users. Is it possible?
[16:46] <mirco> yes it is
[16:47] <bearcat> newbien: yes i have
[16:47] <Spanska> ok, more complicated now.. most of my users are Windows users.. as well as me anyways.. is it still possible?
[16:47] <mirco> But at the moment I can't give U exact info's, as this is only one off my projects for the upcoming holiday
[16:47] <newbien> bearcat good, did you make install entrance ?
[16:47] <mirco> I think it's still possible, but don't force me to swear.
[16:48] <karynn> yo.
[16:48] <bearcat> newbien: what i don't have set up is my 'Xsession names'.  I've read some instructions for that on the web, but am having trouble getting it working. It's not an issue that the Entrance docs handle. It is not an entrance issue.
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[16:48] <rue_mohr> who has experiance with ftpd?
[16:49] <Skunky> rue_mohr: which one?
[16:49] <rue_mohr> apt-get install ftpd
[16:49] <karynn> i've used ftp to transfer files many times
[16:49] <bearcat> newbien: yes. Entrance runs fine, it just doesn't grab my xsessions. (thanx for the help so far)
[16:49] <rue_mohr> whats that?
[16:49] <^wolf^> good nite every1
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[16:50] <bearcat> newbien: I've verified that my /etc/entrance_config.db is proper.
[16:50] <rue_mohr> in.ftpd
[16:50] <rue_mohr>    usr/sbin/in.ftpd
[16:51] <newbien> bearcat cool so far, no man for xsessions on my distro
[16:51] <rue_mohr> man 8 ftpd
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[16:52] <benja22> /usr/sbin/in.ftpd is a symlink to proftpd ?
[16:52] <bearcat> newbien: I've read something about making a script in the xdm dir that corresponds to the branch of the case statement in /etc/X11/xdm/xSession..no dice though.
[16:52] <rue_mohr> for me its a binary
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[16:53] <rue_mohr> HISTORY
[16:53] <rue_mohr>      The ftpd command appeared in 4.2BSD.
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[16:53] <rue_mohr> no, thats not helping
[16:53] <rue_mohr> its ftpd, its just ftpd
[16:53] <bearcat> Gigitty: are you coming or going?
[16:53] <rue_mohr> thats like saying, "what telnetd are you using?"
[16:54] <newbien> bearcat is that what the entrance app readme tells you you have to create? a script?
[16:54] <bearcat> newbien: it tells me nothing just that I need it set up properly.
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[16:55] <Skunky> rue_mohr: probably netkit ftpd.  very basic
[16:55] <rue_mohr> yes
[16:55] <newbien> bearcat dang, netsearch for Xsession setup get no hits?
[16:55] <rue_mohr> hehe, should I ask my question now?? :-)
[16:55] <rue_mohr> or woudl you suggest I use a different ftp server
[16:56] <bearcat> newbien: yes..most however speak of the ~/.xsession files, which is no help.  The script+ case idea i got from a web serch.
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[16:57] <newbien> bearcat script runs ok but with an error?
[16:57] <bearcat> newbien: no. it does not run at all. I'm not calling it in the right way.
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[17:00] <newbien> bearcat dont see any mention of Xsession in my .xinitrc, what calls Xsession?
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[17:02] <bearcat> newbien: the xdm manager (which Entrance is based on)
[17:02] <rue_mohr> so who woudl suggest what for an ftp server?
[17:03] <rue_mohr> it has to be stright ftp, no sftp
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[17:08] <newbien> bearcat read your /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession file, says you can make a /HOME/.xsession file or maybe you can back up the original xsession and edit to add entrance to the case statement
[17:08] <Obsolete> can anyone help me with my Doom 3 installation on winex?
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[17:09] <Obsolete> when i try to install it, it says "1155: File H:\Doom 3.msi not found"
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[17:10] <bearcat> newbien: yeah, i know about the ~/.session file. That is called from the /etc/xdm/xSession file
[17:10] <newbien> rue_mohr gftp?
[17:10] <newbien> bearcat which did you do, home or edit original?
[17:11] <bearcat> edit original
[17:11] <newbien> bearcat added entrance to the case statement in Xsession?
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[17:12] <bearcat> i newbien I added it to the original.
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[17:13] <newbien> bearcat k, something calls Xsession which call xinitrc, find out what calls xsession
[17:13] <eunix> hi
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[17:16] <Obsolete> can anyone help me identify the error?
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[17:16] <karynn> Obsolete: i know nothing about doom, but i'd hazard to guess that the file isn't being found
[17:16] <newbien> bearcat startx - initialize an X session
[17:16] <rue_mohr> newbien are you suggesting that one?
[17:17] <Obsolete> it works to install on windows xp, karynn
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[17:17] <newbien> bearcat /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/html/startx.1.html
[17:18] <newbien> rue gftp works good in x
[17:18] <rue_mohr> I dont have x
[17:18] <bearcat> newbien: startx never runs if you are using a display manager
[17:18] <rue_mohr> I also need a server, not a client
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[17:19] <benja22> rue_mohr: proftpd
[17:19] <newbien> rue_mohr oops
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[17:19] <rue_mohr> benja22 farmiliar with it?
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[17:20] <rue_mohr> what I need is:
[17:20] <rue_mohr> use isolation with ftpd, you can navigate pre-home directory and "browse" the system
[17:20] <newbien> bearcat tried to start any other display manager other than entrance?
[17:20] <benja22> rue_mohr: not very. I ran it and it worked locally. My isp ucks though and blocks.
[17:21] <rue_mohr> run it on port+1
[17:21] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I looked over those pdf's but there wasn't anything in them
[17:21] <bearcat> newbien: kdm works fine, but it doesn't use these files..let me try gdm.
[17:22] <newbien> bearcat cool, see if you can find a template file for starting kdm, gdm and copy and edit for entrance
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[17:23] <newbien> Acid_Reign your tried, ask your question again here and on #mandrake
[17:24] <bearcat> newbien: that's a good idea...I'll try that
[17:24] <bearcat> thanx
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[17:25] <newbien> bearcat you be gettin it narrowed down now ;)
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[17:29] <tofubar> i need some help
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[17:29] <tofubar> whats the best caffeine pill?
[17:29] <docpi> tofubar: news of zour having fathered some girl.
[17:29] Action: docpi relurks
[17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[17:30] <capcrunch> cable
[17:31] <newbien> exercise
[17:32] <bearcat> newbien: I'll try coping over the file from my kdm manager and see how that goes (with some minor mods) thanx
[17:32] <newbien> bearcat hope it works, let us know
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[17:36] <t23> anybody awake here who are good at NIC problem debugging?
[17:36] <Skunky> t23: I was not in school the day they taught telepathy - ask your quesiton and wait - if anyone has an answer they will give it.
[17:37] <t23> hehe, right
[17:37] <t23> okay heres the situation
[17:37] <t23> a P4 on a VIA board and a 3C905B NIC
[17:37] <t23> i upgraded it from RH9 to Fedora Core 2
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[17:38] <t23> and everything was smooth for about five minutes, then the driver started spewing out error messages apparently meaning NIC buffer underrun
[17:38] <Obsolete> helloo
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[17:38] <t23> so i forced it into MII mode and everything was smooth for another five minutes
[17:38] <Ardino> ... i am installing debian in my pc and i alrady have a partition for it .. do i have to riformat my HD again ...?
[17:38] <t23> then it went stone dead
[17:38] <tofubar> well i've fathered several children
[17:38] <t23> i replaced the NIC with an eepro100, stone dead
[17:38] <tofubar> most i do not know
[17:38] <t23> another eepro100, stone dead
[17:38] <tofubar> but thats besides the point
[17:38] <t23> tried all available slots in the computer
[17:39] <tofubar> best caffeine pill?
[17:39] <t23> the cards get detected but theres absolutely no link
[17:39] <t23> the cable works fine in the two machines next to it, no prob
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[17:39] <mirco> Ardino: why if there's a part for debian
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[17:39] <t23> what on earth happened and how can i fix it?
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[17:40] <t23> same thing with both the stock Core 2 kernel and the updated 2.6.7 one
[17:40] <Ardino> mirco: i have formated it as linux ext2 is that right
[17:40] <mirco> t23: weird story, hope U find the mistake.
[17:40] <t23> even flash updated the motherboard BIOS
[17:41] <mirco> Ardino: I would prefer a journaling Filesys like ext3
[17:41] <Obsolete> has anyone installed Doom 3 on linux??
[17:41] <t23> mii-tool sees all three cards just fine
[17:41] <bearcat> date
[17:41] <t23> but .. no link on the cable
[17:41] <mirco> Obsolete: not yet, but I'm interested in doing so
[17:42] <Ardino> ok thnx mirco
[17:42] <Obsolete> i cant seem to install
[17:42] <tofubar> obsolete:http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216296
[17:42] <tofubar> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=216296
[17:42] <tofubar> here it says that
[17:42] <tofubar> you can play doom3 on linux
[17:42] <Obsolete> i know
[17:42] <Obsolete> i tried
[17:42] <tofubar> hm
[17:42] <tofubar> do not have experience trying myself
[17:42] <Obsolete> ohhh
[17:43] <Obsolete> i dont have Cedega-CVS
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[17:44] <mirco> Obsolete: I got a version from ed2k if it helps
[17:44] <Obsolete> oh, dont worry
[17:44] <Obsolete> i just downloaded
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[17:45] <mirco> Do U have an URL from where U dolo'd
[17:46] <rue_mohr> <rue_mohr> should I put this k7-500 in that apple II clone case?
[17:46] <rue_mohr> <rue_mohr> and make a ps2 interpterter for the keyboard?
[17:46] <rue_mohr> <rue_mohr> and then put a vga monitor in an old tv...
[17:46] <rue_mohr> chuckle chuckle
[17:47] Tcl error in script for 'timer1970732':
[17:47] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
[17:49] <Cwiiis> Can anyone advise me on how to do a quick search/replace in vi? I know the command is s/search/replace/g kinda thing, but I don't know how to get to input it
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[17:51] <grepper> :%s/search/replace/  iirc
[17:51] <Cwiiis> Thanks
[17:51] <Obsolete> micro, do u have the newest version?
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[17:53] <haze> :%s/search/replace/g - to search and replace the whole document
[17:54] <crys> j #ogre3d
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[17:57] <nosebleed> Is there a system-wide file like ~/.Xresources ?
[17:57] <nosebleed> I'm using debian unstable... specifically.
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[18:00] Writing user file...
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[18:00] <tkd90> is i install my boot loader to the mbr do i still need a /boot partition ?
[18:00] <grepper> nosebleed: possibly /etc/X11/Xresources/xfree86-common - never used it myself system wide
[18:00] <tkd90> is = if
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[18:02] <nosebleed> green-earz, thanks... that looks about right
[18:02] <matt_> tkd90, depends on the code in the mbr
[18:02] <nosebleed> er
[18:02] <nosebleed> grepper, I mean
[18:03] <tkd90> ok
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[18:05] <darnit> hey I have an alias cp=cp -i  how do I remove this systemwide alias?
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[18:07] <Mathman> darnit: /etc/profile or something in /etc/profile.d I'd imagine
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[18:08] <Mathman> darnit: provided it's system wide as you're saying of course.  also I could be forgetting something, so you might want to reference the bash man page
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[18:08] <darnit> nope it doesn't look so
[18:08] <darnit> well yea it seems systemwide because root has that alias along with normal users
[18:09] <Mathman> doesn't mean it's system wide, the default login scripts may just have that everwhere
[18:09] <Mathman> what ever is in /etc/skel or whatever I spose
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[18:09] <newbien_> darnit edit your home dir .bash_profile
[18:09] <darnit> I checked that too
[18:09] <newbien_> distro?
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[18:10] <Mathman> and .bashrc and .profile?  like I said, you might want to reference the bash man page
[18:10] <darnit> ahh found it
[18:10] <Mathman> hehe, and probably /etc/bashrc too
[18:10] <darnit> .bashrc
[18:10] <darnit> heh yea
[18:10] <Kasparr> Hello, just enabled APM on my comp (Slackware / 2.4.26) and the battery meter keeps saying -1% :P
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[18:11] <Mathman> course I don't see why you wouldn't want the cp -i
[18:11] <Kasparr> Anyone knows what could possibly cause this?
[18:11] <Mathman> Kasparr: not having a battery?  or is this a laptop we're talking about?
[18:11] <darnit> well when copying over an entiredirectory from a samba mount I don't want to press y a hundred times :)
[18:12] <rue_mohr>   bin/cp -i
[18:12] <Mathman> darnit: so just override the alias then.  /bin/cp blah blah
[18:12] <Kasparr> yeah it's a laptop
[18:12] <matt_> http://faceparty.net/mkaa_/olsenpics3/recent5.jpg
[18:12] <matt_> whoops :S
[18:12] <matt_> ok dont go there, that was ment to goto a msn window
[18:12] <Kasparr> well the battery light turned on when I enabled APM
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[18:13] <darnit> eh I know I won't be cpying anything that I don't use, I'm only changing this in root's bashrc
[18:13] <Mathman> darnit: or cp -f probably works too
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[18:13] <darnit> nah it doesn't I tried heh
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[18:13] <Kasparr> so that's a good thing, but I still need to get a coherent reading
[18:13] <Mathman> darnit: yeah well, your system, do what you want
[18:14] <Tambu> cool found a vim cheat sheet... I wonder if anyone really knows all the commands :P there are likes 1,000 :P
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[18:15] <crys> Tambu: Yeap - :help
[18:15] <Tambu> crys: yeah right help is more confusing than the commands :P
[18:15] <Acid_Reign> I'm running mdk 9.1, I'm trying to get my USR 56k modem [model 5610] working. The modem is listed under the Hardware section of the Mandrake control center under unknown/others, and the module is listed as 'unknown'. The modem doesn't respond to query's either. Any help you could give me is appreciated. Thanks.
[18:15] <Tambu> crys: I did the Tutorial and that was helpful... but even that is like 1% of the possible commands
[18:16] <crys> Tambu: not when you learn :help index  ;)
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[18:16] <Tambu> what do you do search it then?
[18:17] <crys> Tambu: /foo
[18:17] <Tambu> nod intresting.. your right that is useful
[18:17] <Tambu> whats the repeat last search?
[18:17] <Tambu> or Find Next as its called?
[18:18] <crys> Tambu: n
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[18:19] <Tambu> I think the thing I find most amazing is the idea of being able to do everything without having to move your hands from asdf jkl; ... with the hjkl keys
[18:19] <Tambu> must be cool to be a real pro at it :P me I still have to think about it
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[18:21] <crys> Tambu: yeah - wait till you get really effecient with it then go to a co-workers workstation with notepad-like tools - it blows...
[18:21] <yxa> hey guys assuming i loadbalancing 5 servers running apache+php4 all with same content. lets say i wanna make some changes on 1 server, what is the easiest way to deploy the changes to the rest of the servers?
[18:21] <Tambu> I know I notice that already :P I keep having hjkl keys in the middle of my word documents :P
[18:22] <grepper> Acid_Reign: does dmesg show anything more about the modem ?
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[18:22] <hellz_hunter> do i want to compile alsa with oss?
[18:22] <hellz_hunter> is there any real need for oss stuff with alsa?
[18:23] <crys> Tambu: do you code at all or do you just use (g)vi(m) for config file type stuff?
[18:23] <Acid_Reign> grepper: Don't know how to run it, I'm a newb.
[18:24] <grepper> dmesg | less  , in a terminal
[18:24] <Tambu> not much of a linux coder.. and I haven't used gvim
[18:24] <Acid_Reign> grepper: ok, be back in a minute
[18:24] <grepper> then page though it using space bar, or arrows
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[18:24] <Acid_Reign> grepper: k
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[18:26] <Kasparr> hmm should there be anything in /proc/apm?
[18:26] <Kasparr> maybe that's the problem heh
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[18:28] <Tambu> hrm.. amavis-new must use way less aggressive spamassassin than the normal defaults.. weird
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[18:32] <Khisti> hey i m using kde and i want the window key to function as it works in windows like on pressing the menu opens can anyone tell how can i make it do that
[18:32] <Tambu> Control Pannel -> Periphials -> Keyboard ---- knock yourself out :P
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[18:33] <Kasparr> how can I enable CONFIG_APM
[18:34] <Tambu> er my bad.. Control pane -> Regional & Access -> Keyboard shortcuts
[18:34] <crys> :(
[18:34] <Acid_Reign> grepper: there was nothing about the modem I could see. I have another question, how do I find my ISP's DNS?
[18:34] Action: crys thinks he is the only person left that actually uses dialup at this point...
[18:34] <Tambu> Kasparr: you edit your kernel .config and recompile I assume..
[18:34] Action: Acid_Reign uses dialup
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[18:35] <Khisti> me too uses dial up
[18:35] <Tambu> crys: according to the latest survey's on /. 51% of the US is now broadband :)
[18:35] <Tambu> don't think i've had a modem in like 5 years
[18:35] <Acid_Reign> I live in the sticks.
[18:35] <crys> Acid_Reign: me too
[18:35] <grepper> Acid_Reign: you ask them or look it up on their webpage ?
[18:35] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: peace and quiet
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[18:36] <Khisti> Tambu: what i have to click after reaching in keyboard sec
[18:36] <Acid_Reign> I would much rather live in the city. What I wouldn't do to play Unreal.
[18:37] <Khisti> which option i have to enable to make window key work like that
[18:37] <Tambu> Khisti well if your under the "Shortcut Schemes" section there is a dropdown box and you can select "Windows Scheme (With Win Key)"
[18:37] <Kasparr> ok thx
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[18:38] <epitome> How can I use find and xargs to extract multiple tar files? Trying to refresh my mem :|
[18:38] <Khisti> I m using RH 8.0
[18:38] <Acid_Reign> my isp probably won't know what their dns is.
[18:38] <Tambu> Khisti: was that to me? and is that a problem?
[18:39] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: Hell my ISP still thinks that when my cable modem goes down that its the "surge protectors" fault.
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[18:40] <Khisti> nope
[18:40] <Acid_Reign> my isp had no idea what ISDN is
[18:40] <Khisti> sorry
[18:40] <rue_mohr> haha
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[18:41] <Tambu> when I call my ISP and they ask what O/S I'm using and I say linux they are like uh.. linux isn't that like text or something
[18:41] <Acid_Reign> haha
[18:41] <Tambu> one guy told me that I need to go to www.microsoft.com and update to the latest windows version
[18:41] <Mathman> Tambu: you just gotta lie to them and say windows has been my experience
[18:41] <Tambu> I nearly fell out of my chair
[18:41] <Tambu> Mathman: nod :)
[18:42] <Acid_Reign> my isp told me that cable went through the power line and dsl wasn't broadband.
[18:42] <Tambu> best one yet I called in when my cable modem went down and the guy asked me to turn off all the televisions in the house :P stupidest thing I've ever heard of :P
[18:42] <Mathman> it's idiotic when the problem is on their end, but they say they can't help you because you run linux
[18:42] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: heh
[18:42] <Tambu> Mathman: yup
[18:43] <Tambu> one guy who claimed to know linux said I was using the wrong command... I kept telling him its "ifconfig" he said no no its "ipconfig" :P
[18:44] <newbien_> read a news story that said that 60% of the web users are on dialup, only 40% on cable/dsl/isdn
[18:44] <Tambu> when I told him it said bad command or file name he said my linux must be outdated
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[18:44] <hellz_hunter> hmm
[18:44] <hellz_hunter> having some alsa problems
[18:44] <Tambu> newbien: /. story says 51% broadband ... see if I can find it
[18:44] <hellz_hunter> permissions with the user accessing alsamixer
[18:44] <Acid_Reign> I just want to get online with linux.. I've put hours and hours into it and still nothing.
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[18:45] <Tambu> newbien_: http://www.nwfusion.com/net.worker/news/2004/0818netrabroad.html?net&code=nlnetflash520
[18:45] <Tambu> course its US people.. perhaps that is the difference
[18:45] <newbien_> Tambu yea, maybe world wide its 60/40
[18:45] <Tambu> Acid_Reign:  if your using a software modem I'd go buy a hardware modem..
[18:45] <Acid_Reign> no
[18:46] <Acid_Reign> it's hardware
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[18:46] <mirco> hellz_hunter: U have to be in group audio
[18:46] <rue_mohr> how do I set all directories to drwxr-sr-x
[18:46] <rue_mohr> chmod...
[18:46] <rue_mohr> 7...
[18:46] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: hrm.. odd
[18:46] <Acid_Reign> USR 56k model 5610
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[18:46] <Acid_Reign> the module is unknown.
[18:46] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: what problem is it... not that I have much xp with modems..
[18:47] <newbien_> Tambu Acid_Reign and i went thru it earlier, his modem is linux compatible and all the /proc readouts look good but mdk wont recognize the modem tty
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[18:47] <Acid_Reign> do I need dns to connect?
[18:47] <Tambu> oh.. ech.. well if newbien is stumped :( I will just fly my white flag
[18:47] <Grey> Is it going to cause problems if I upgrade to kde3.3 while running in kde3.2? Or can I just upgrade, then shutdown kde and restart it?
[18:47] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: not to connect but to connect to any non-IP based connections yes
[18:48] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: IE you could ping 208.280.230.2 but you couldn't ping www.google.com
[18:48] <Acid_Reign> gotcha
[18:48] <Acid_Reign> I just want it to work ;(
[18:48] <Acid_Reign> I really dont want to download another distro on 56k
[18:48] <Tambu> Grey: usually depends on your OS and how it installs KDE gentoo installs KDE in multiple directories 3.1 3.2 3.3 CVS so you can change which ever you want
[18:48] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: :(
[18:49] <newbien_> Acid_Reign i'd go to the mandrake.com and search again for bugs for that modem
[18:49] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: You tried mandrake
[18:49] <Tambu> heh thats what I was gonna say
[18:49] <Acid_Reign> tambu: thats what I have now yes
[18:49] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: lspci doesn't give the model of the modem?
[18:49] <Acid_Reign> model is 5610
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[18:50] <Acid_Reign> it gives the model, yes
[18:50] <Tambu> thought you said it didn't give the model.. my bad
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[18:51] <Acid_Reign> the Module isn't listed in the Mandrake Control Center
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[18:51] <Tambu> what kernel is your mandrake using?
[18:51] <Acid_Reign> and the modem is listed under Unknown/Others in the control center
[18:51] <Acid_Reign> tambu: not sure, it's 9.1
[18:51] <newbien_> Acid_Reign usr 5610 works in slack 9.1
[18:51] <Tambu> try uname -a
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[18:52] <Acid_Reign> newbien: whats slack 9.1?
[18:52] <Tambu> could he have an IRQ conflict or something lame?
[18:52] <newbien_> Acid_Reign slackware 9.1
[18:52] <Tambu> slackware is another linux distrobution
[18:52] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: what does "uname -a" tell you is the linux version?
[18:53] <Acid_Reign> I have to reboot
[18:53] <Acid_Reign> brb
[18:53] <Tambu> oh.. bummer
[18:53] <Tambu> sorry :(
[18:53] <Tambu> dual-booter :)
[18:53] <Acid_Reign> yes :)
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[18:53] <Tambu> most of the USR modems on mandrake's site are listed for the 2.6.3-7mdk kernel
[18:54] <Tambu> wonder if thats his problem..
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[18:55] <hlen> anyone have experience with xmacrorec or xtrap? I'm trying to find a way to record some common macros so I can avoid replicating keystrokes in mozilla, but the documentation is not too good.. if you can suggest something else, I'm all ears
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[18:57] <Tambu> hrm.. newbien_ check this page regarding Acid_reign's problem..
[18:57] <Tambu> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=72
[18:57] <Tambu> looks like several mandrake users have problems
[18:58] Nick change: _crass -> crass
[18:58] <Tambu> newbien_: yeah this kinda looks like it might help him the third person down has a list of instructions.. to get it detected..
[18:58] <Tambu> er 4th person down
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[19:00] Writing user file...
[19:00] Writing channel file...
[19:00] <swim> if I wanted to remove two kernels that I dont use any longer, do I just remove them from lilo.conf, and simply delete their dirs in /usr/src ? (i use mdk 10)
[19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
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[19:01] <Tambu> swim: yes just be careful not to break your lilo.conf ... you'd also delete the files from your /boot partition but.. again be REAL careful you don't delete the wrong thing :)
[19:02] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: I may have found something useful to you
[19:02] <Tambu> check out this website and go down to the 4th comments its from a mandrake 9.2 user with USR 5610 and problems detecting it he found a work around apparently...
[19:02] <Acid_Reign> results: Linux localhost 2.4.21-0.13mdk #1 Fri Mar 14 15:08:06 EST 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
[19:02] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=72
[19:02] <swim> Tambu, which files do I delete from /boot ?
[19:02] <Tambu> wow.. did you type all that :P
[19:03] <Tambu> swim: the kernel image thats listed in lilo.conf
[19:03] <Acid_Reign> yes
[19:03] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: wow :) check out the website it might help you out
[19:03] <Acid_Reign> tambu: I saw that a while back, but I don't know how to run the commands at all :(
[19:03] <swim> ah ok thanks Tambu
[19:03] <Tambu> swim: like I said.... be careful..  :)
[19:03] <swim> ok I will :)
[19:04] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: ok well did you get the rpm he is talking about?
[19:04] <Acid_Reign> tambu: when I install that .rpm file, it says everything is already installed, or something of that nature
[19:04] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: hrm.. and then did change the /etc/init.d/serial ?
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[19:05] <Acid_Reign> Tambu: No, I don't know how to do that sort of thing, I just installed linux yesterday and have no experience whatsoever :)
[19:05] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: hrm.. ok well since it appears the RPM is installed lemme see if I can walk you through the commands
[19:05] <Acid_Reign> Tambu I was just going to ask that. Thanks a lot.
[19:06] <Tambu> Step 2: you will need an editor to edit the /etc/init.d/serial file
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[19:06] <Tambu> Step 3: does your mandrake boot into xwindows(graphical) enviroment
[19:06] <Acid_Reign> Tambu: umm.. I use KDE, if that is xwindows
[19:07] <Tambu> yes that is :) ok do you login as root or a normal user?
[19:07] <Acid_Reign> tambu: hmm, I don't recall. But every once in a while I get prompted for root password when opening things and such?
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[19:07] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: ok then your login in as a user..
[19:08] <Acid_Reign> tambu: if you can tell me how to log in as root I'd just as soon dot hat
[19:08] <Acid_Reign> *do that
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[19:08] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: well... doesn't your KDE come up with a LOGIN SCREEN?
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[19:08] <AlienX> anyone have any experience with a 4g ipod. I just got one in today but for some reason when I try to mount it, it tells me that it cannot read the superblocks. I have done many searches online and went through all the steps for it but I'm at a bit of a stand still.
[19:09] <Acid_Reign> tambu: yes, I have my account set up, i'm not sure I know how to change account settings, but I can probably figure it out
[19:09] <newbien_> Acid_Reign ftp://ftp.usr.com/usr/dl15/LNUX_3ComMdm-1.0-1.i386.rpm
[19:09] <Tambu> newbien_: I think he has it installed when he trys to use that it claims its installed
[19:09] <Tambu> download it anyway though
[19:09] <newbien_> Acid_Reign download that file, read man rpm on how to install it, maybe thats it
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[19:10] <Acid_Reign> read what?
[19:10] <newbien_> man rpm
[19:10] <Tambu> newbien_: think you'll have to tell him where to find the text file in it...
[19:10] <Acid_Reign> sorry, but what is that?
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[19:11] <newbien_> Acid_Reign its a file from usr.com to set up redhat and mandrake usr 5610 modems
[19:11] <Tambu> RPM is a compressed file package kinda like ZIP but its also its semi-executable you use it to install stuff
[19:11] <Acid_Reign> oh, I think I might have the command for installing it
[19:11] <Acid_Reign> -i 3commdm-1.0-1.i386.rpm
[19:11] <newbien_> Acid_Reign yea, you got rpm
[19:11] <Acid_Reign> is that it?
[19:11] <newbien_> Acid_Reign maybe, worth a shot
[19:12] <Acid_Reign> I think I got that from usr.com
[19:12] <godling> "man" == on-line manual pages
[19:12] <Tambu> rpm -Uvh 3commdm-1.0-1.i386.rpm will do a more detailed one
[19:12] <Acid_Reign> when I tried the file before, the command produced the same result as double-clicking
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[19:12] <newbien_> Acid_Reign Install the RPM file by entering the rpm -i 3ComMdm-1.0-1.i386.rpm command at the command prompt.
[19:13] <newbien_> Acid_Reign oops, sorry
[19:13] <Acid_Reign> I got it. so, I'll brb
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[19:13] <Tambu> ok.. g/l but read the man file
[19:13] <Tambu> oh well
[19:13] <Tambu> newbien_: next question says he comes back :P
[19:14] <newbien_> tough problem
[19:14] <Tambu> very
[19:14] <Tambu> not fun for a newcomer :(
[19:14] <newbien_> nope, he's tough, persistent ;)
[19:14] <newbien_> good sign ;)
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[19:16] <Tambu> true.. probably shouldn't tell him we still get stumped :P
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[19:17] <newbien_> must be a mdk problem, that modem works in slack
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[19:18] <Tambu> newbien_: hah yeah the RPM should fix the problem it has the same information from that website
[19:18] <newbien_> maybe
[19:18] <Tambu> newbien_: I've uncompresssed the rpm and it has the /etc/init.d/serial file with the changed ttyS3
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[19:18] <newbien_> acid said he tried all the tty's
[19:19] <Tambu> hrm.. not too sure .. i never really used a modem with linux
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[19:20] <Tambu> according to the website the problem stems from the stupid mode3ms using com5 by default supposedly the settings change it somehow..
[19:20] <newbien_> Tambu but he did not say he changed the /etc/init.d/serial,
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[19:20] <Tambu> newbien_: thats what I'm figuring
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[19:21] <newbien_> yea, i asked him about rc.serial like slack has
[19:21] <Tambu> gentoo has the file but its completely different from mandrakes
[19:21] <newbien_> Tambu the usr file?
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[19:22] <Tambu> no the /etc/init.d/serial
[19:22] <newbien_> Tambu yea distros change all the init files i think
[19:23] <Tambu> on the bright side he's spending more time on the other boot :)
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[19:25] <godling> ugh. firefox 0.9.3 broke the -remote switch =(
[19:25] <newbien_> Tambu yea, on the learning curve for linux
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[19:25] <repeart> hoy
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[19:26] <newbien_> Tambu the init string for the usr 5610b is AT&F
[19:27] <Tambu> if you say so :) like I said no experience with modems :(
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[19:27] <Tambu> isn't that the default for all modems though?
[19:27] <newbien_> Tambu yea
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[19:27] <newbien_> Tambu you got cable/dsl on your linux box?
[19:28] <Tambu> yeah cable
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[19:28] <newbien_> Tambu easy to set up? just plug the cable modem cable into the eth0 and start dhcpd?
[19:28] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: tell us GOOD news :)
[19:29] <Acid_Reign> sort of
[19:29] <Tambu> newbien yup thats it :)
[19:29] <Acid_Reign> I couldn't get the command to work
[19:29] <Tambu> which command?
[19:29] <Acid_Reign> to install
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[19:29] <Acid_Reign> so I just double clicked the file and it installed
[19:29] <Grey> Should I have GLX and DRI Modules loaded with a NVIDIA card?
[19:29] <Tambu> the rpm -i <file>
[19:29] <Grey> in my xorg.conf file?
[19:29] <Tambu> what did it say when you did the rpm -i?
[19:29] <Acid_Reign> but, it still doesn't respond to query
[19:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[19:30] <Acid_Reign> I don't think I got the command down right
[19:30] <godling> Grey; it should be in the readme with your nvidia drivers
[19:30] <Tambu> Grey: GLX YES , DRI NO
[19:30] <Grey> oh, ok,
[19:30] <Acid_Reign> nothing unusual, just that command doesn't exist.. something to that nature
[19:30] <newbien_> Acid_Reign you using kppp to query modem? init string for usr 5610 is AT&F
[19:30] <Tambu> rpm command didn't exist? you must be logged in as root I believe... were you?
[19:31] <Acid_Reign> don't think so
[19:31] <Acid_Reign> but isn't double clicking and installing just as good?
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[19:31] <godling> Acid_Reign; You need to be root to install packages.
[19:31] <Acid_Reign> newbien: kppp and the other one on occassion, forget the name
[19:31] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: hrm.. it depends.. the question is if there is an error in the RPM install will it tell you by double clicking :) i'm not sure
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[19:31] <godling> Acid_Reign; otherwise you won't have the correct permissions.
[19:31] <Acid_Reign> Tambu: yeah, I remember that I had a password prompt to install it
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[19:32] <godling> ah, that'd work
[19:32] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: k.. well hrm..
[19:32] <Acid_Reign> Tambu so yes, i was. And it installed correctly, or at least it said so
[19:32] <newbien_> Acid_Reign log in as root on a console by typing su and then enter roots password
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[19:32] <Tambu> shouldn't he use "su -"?
[19:32] <Acid_Reign> is that permanent newbien, or do I have to do it every time I open console?
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[19:33] <newbien_> Acid_Reign wait on that, too many cheifs working on this meal, will back off for now ;)
[19:33] <linuxlilo> got an NIS question. Is it possible to push files to an NIS client upon login like samba/win2k can?
[19:33] <Acid_Reign> ok
[19:33] <Tambu> newbien: heh.. no no :) I will step back you can do what I do I don't know how to do the modem stuff
[19:34] <newbien_> tambu, k, you a rpm dude? i aint
[19:34] <Acid_Reign> well, Tambu or Newbien: should I try that  edit delete and modify instructions now?
[19:34] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: our concen is that the RPM isn't installing because the RPM appears to do those edit instructions
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[19:35] <Tambu> newbien_: not much of one..
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[19:35] <newbien_> Tambu k, first we need to check to see if the rpm was really installed
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[19:36] <Acid_Reign> I can try the command again, it said it was installed successfully
[19:36] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: next time you login to your box do this in a console     1.    "su -"  2. Type root password 3. Change to the directory where the USR.rpm file is... 4. type "rpm -Uvh USR.rpm 5. it should display something like 3com: ############## <- OK
[19:36] <naim> SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy
[19:36] <naim> Failed to bring up lo.
[19:36] <naim> Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0.
[19:36] <naim> any idea what that is ??
[19:37] <godling> naim; an error message?
[19:37] <godling> (just a guess)
[19:37] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: the problem with some Xiwindows utilities is that they don't always recognize odd errors.. and sometimes will default to something stupid like "Successfully Installed"
[19:37] <naim> yep .. sorry .its 5 am here
[19:37] <Acid_Reign> Tambu sorry, how do you change to the directory where the usr.rpm file is?
[19:37] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: well it like to be in your users directory so "cd /home/Acid_Reign/"
[19:38] <Acid_Reign> ok
[19:38] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: assuming Acid_Reign  is your user
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[19:38] <hellz_hunter> on mozilla, u got those adobe kind of fonts like ariel adobe fonts, what package is that in
[19:38] <Acid_Reign> hah, looks like DOS
[19:38] <naim> godling, any pointers ?
[19:38] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: does is based on unix at a very core level
[19:38] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: after all windows NT and below was a unix kernel of sorts
[19:39] <linuxlilo> hence its stability...
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[19:39] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: er well remember that in linux it uses the / commands instead of the \ command like in windows.. microsoft had to make it "look" different :P
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[19:39] <newbien_> Tambu linuxlilo maybe SCO should sue MS for having unix code in its kernel too ;)
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[19:40] <Tambu> newbien_: they can't.. microsoft paid them like 60 million dollars to license the code
[19:40] <Tambu> newbien_: course it was really just a help to have them pay lawyers to cause linux problems
[19:40] <newbien_> Tambu yea, SCO is a shill for MS
[19:40] <meta-ridley> what code does ms have?
[19:40] <Acid_Reign> ok, I have those  su - instructions down
[19:40] <meta-ridley> sco and ms created xenis did they not?
[19:40] <meta-ridley> xenix i mean hahah
[19:41] <Acid_Reign> should I try the command again?
[19:41] <jerome187> can someone help me get this working?  http://www.digitalfanatics.org/cal/socketw/index.html  I can compile and install it just fine, but the examples say that they cant load the libs, I checked and the libs are where there supposed to me
[19:41] <jerome187> be*
[19:41] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: go try that and copy down the results of the rpm -Uvh command
[19:41] <Acid_Reign> go try the rpm -Uvh or the install?
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[19:41] <Tambu> the rpm -Uvh its more descriptive
[19:41] <Acid_Reign> ok
[19:42] <Acid_Reign> brb
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[19:42] <newbien_> jerome187 if that file installed new libs you need to run ldconfig as root, read the man first
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[19:42] <Tambu> jerome187: yeah read the instructions carefully changing libs can lead to bad results if done wrong..
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[19:43] <jerome187> no libs are being changed, just a few new ones are being added
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[19:43] <linuxlilo> jerome187: same difference...run ldconfig
[19:44] <jerome187> ok, I dident think you needed to run ldconfig if the right search path was allready in the config file
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[19:44] <Acid_Reign> ah.. Tambu...
[19:44] <Tambu> ?
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[19:45] <Acid_Reign> can I have those instructions again? I forgot to print them out -_-
[19:45] <Tambu> snicker
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[19:45] <jerome187> thanks, the example programs work fine now
[19:45] <Tambu> [21:36:47] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: next time you login to your box do this in a console     1.    "su -"  2. Type root password 3. Change to the directory where the USR.rpm file is... 4. type "rpm -Uvh USR.rpm 5. it should display something like 3com: ############## <- OK
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[19:45] <Acid_Reign> i've been printing, rebooting all day :)
[19:45] <Tambu> [21:38:02] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: well it like to be in your users directory so "cd /home/Acid_Reign/"
[19:46] <newbien_> jerome187 np, have fun ;)
[19:46] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: that all you needed?
[19:46] <jerome187> I will, I hope :)  This new lib should make sockets in C++ a little easyer to deal with
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[19:47] <Acid_Reign> Tambu yeah.
[19:47] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: gl
[19:47] <Acid_Reign> Tambu: one more thing, where I type -Uvh it should be the full filename right?
[19:48] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: yes the full name.. if you can't remember the name type the first part and hit <TAB>
[19:48] <Acid_Reign> ok
[19:48] <Acid_Reign> thanks
[19:48] <Acid_Reign> brb
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[19:48] <Tambu> it will tab complete the rest of the name if the file is in the same directory
[19:49] <newbien_> rpm -Uvh 3ComMdm-1.0-1.i386.rpm
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[19:49] <Tambu> too late he was gone :)
[19:49] <jerome187> does using SSL cause much overhead?
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[19:50] <Tambu> jerome187: thats not the question to ask :P if you need it overhead doesn't really matter :)
[19:50] <Tambu> jerome187: I dont' think its that bad though since it simply uses keys at either end to unencrypt/encrypt stuff
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[19:56] <mirco> gotta go to sleep, 5o clock in the mornig in good ol Ffm.
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[19:57] <Tambu> .. almost afraid to ask :)
[19:57] <Acid_Reign> package 3commdm-1.0-1 is already installed
[19:57] <Tambu> pphhfftd
[19:57] <Acid_Reign> good?
[19:57] <Tambu> well it means the package was installed successfully :)
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[19:58] <Acid_Reign> well, thats...good I guess..
[19:58] <Acid_Reign> I'm still not talking to you on Linux, but oh well :D
[19:58] <newbien_> Acid_Reign yep, good
[19:58] <Tambu> yes and no.. the question is why didn't it help
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[19:59] <Acid_Reign> is there anything specific you wanted me to do with the modem?
[19:59] <newbien_> Tambu will the rpm run when needed now?
[19:59] <Tambu> fraid newbien_ will have to take over :( not sure how I can help you further.. hopefully he can. :)
[19:59] <Acid_Reign> what about those other commands on that message board post?
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[20:00] Writing user file...
[20:00] Writing channel file...
[20:00] <Tambu> newbien_: yes its modified the files.. the only thing he would have to do would be to restart /etc/init.d/serial but he has done that by restarting
[20:00] <newbien_> Tambu cool
[20:00] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: the RPM also had an executable file.. in it.. that might need to be run but I would assume its started on boot not sure
[20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
[20:01] <Tambu> the executable is in /bin/3ComMdm
[20:01] <Tambu> obviously does nothing on my system without the modem :)
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[20:01] <newbien_> Tambu great
[20:01] <Acid_Reign> what about editing /etc/init.d/serial and changing comport =/dev/ttys3 etc..
[20:01] <Tambu> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 12806 Aug 30  1999 3ComMdm
[20:01] <goach> Can someone help me get SWAT up and running?
[20:01] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: its already changed. when the RPM installed
[20:01] <newbien_> Acid_Reign still got those /proc readouts from earlier today?
[20:02] <Acid_Reign> why do the instructions say that you have to edit, delete and recreate after you install the rpm?
[20:02] <naim> getting the error:: SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy; Failed to bring up lo; ping localhost ... no reply .. any ideas ??
[20:02] <Acid_Reign> newbien: what were they?
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[20:02] <Tambu> newbien_: yeah.. in the /etc/rc.d/init.d/serial file it has two lines... COMMDM=/bin/3ComMdm    and COMPORT=/dev/ttyS3    which I assume will run that executable on bootup now
[20:03] <newbien_> Acid_Reign cat /proc/tty/driver/serial
[20:03] <Acid_Reign> newbien: I'm afraid I dont remember, sorry
[20:03] <newbien_> Acid_Reign 0: uart:16550A port:3F8 irq:4 tx:0 rx:0 or the like
[20:04] <Acid_Reign> newbien: yes, I have that
[20:04] <Acid_Reign> want me to paste again?
[20:04] <newbien_> Acid_Reign yea
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[20:06] <Acid_Reign> 0: uart:16550A port:3f8 irq:4 tx:0 rx:0             1: uart:16550A port:2f8 irq:3 tx:0 rx:0              4: uart:16550A port:A000 irq:12 tx:0 rx:0 CTS|DSR
[20:06] <newbien_> Tambu checking the comport now
[20:06] <Tambu> newbien_: sorry?
[20:07] <newbien_> tambu you mentioned editing the comport earlier
[20:07] <Tambu> newbien_: yes but I believe its been done by the RPM .. it replaces the serial file
[20:07] <newbien_> acid your comport is /ttyS1
[20:08] <newbien_>  your comport is /dev/ttyS1
[20:09] <Tambu> newbien_: http://www.pastebin.com/93803
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[20:09] <Tambu> there is the "new" /etc/init.d/serial file
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[20:09] <newbien_> Acid_Reign you need to edit as root /etc/rc.d/init.d/serial and change /dev/ttyS3 to /dev/ttyS1
[20:09] <Maimster> Anyone good with transcode?
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[20:10] <newbien_> Tambu split happens ;)
[20:10] <Tambu> marinos:  stand on your head? :)
[20:10] <Tambu> marinos: bah wrong person
[20:11] <Tambu> newbien_: your telling me
[20:11] <Acid_Reign> split does indeed happen
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[20:11] <Acid_Reign> newbien did you get that info. ?
[20:11] <newbien_> Acid_Reign you need to edit as root /etc/rc.d/init.d/serial and change /dev/ttyS3 to /dev/ttyS1
[20:11] <newbien_> Acid_Reign yep
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[20:11] <dayu> hello
[20:11] <Acid_Reign> ok, but I don't know how to edit
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[20:12] <newbien_> Acid_Reign you most comfortable with the kde browser konqueror?
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[20:12] <Acid_Reign> I'm not really familiar with any of them, but i should be ok
[20:13] <Acid_Reign> I can use that
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[20:13] <jerome187> anyone here use kdevlop
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[20:13] <Tambu> newbien_: kde also has kate, kwrite, and kedit if that helps to edit files
[20:13] Nick change: naim -> naim[zzzz]
[20:13] <newbien_> Acid_Reign lets keep it simple, go to your linux box to at console where root is logged in, type kdit /etc/rc.d/init.d/serial
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[20:14] <Acid_Reign> ok
[20:14] <newbien_> Acid_Reign dang, kedit
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[20:14] <Acid_Reign> heh, ok
[20:14] <newbien_> Acid_Reign dang, kedit /etc/rc.d/init.d/serial
[20:14] <Acid_Reign> is that all?
[20:14] <newbien_> Acid_Reign that will open the file in kedit
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[20:15] <Acid_Reign> ok
[20:15] <newbien_> Acid_Reign you edited files in DOS?
[20:16] <Acid_Reign> newbien: no, I don't  have too much knowledge with DOS, just very basic
[20:16] <newbien_> acid edited files using windows?
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[20:16] <Acid_Reign> what sort of files?
[20:16] <newbien_> any files?
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[20:17] <Acid_Reign> well, I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about
[20:17] <Acid_Reign> sorry.. like text files? lol
[20:17] <newbien_> Acid_Reign yea
[20:18] <Acid_Reign> newbien Heh, ok, yes I can do that
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[20:19] <bsims> Is there a way to get my dvd recorder to burn at 8x? Currently it says max is 4x I am using Debian
[20:19] <newbien_> Acid_Reign good, kedit /etc/rc.d/init.d/serial  then replace /dev/ttyS3 with /dev/ttyS1  and then save the file, then exit kedit
[20:19] <Acid_Reign> ok, will do
[20:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/12 e/- I/-]
[20:20] <Acid_Reign> is that all?
[20:20] <newbien_> Acid_Reign want more now or is that enough for now?
[20:20] <Acid_Reign> I can do some more
[20:21] <newbien_> Acid_Reign cool, ok, with the edit done, open kppp and change the init string to AT&F  ; then query the modem with kppp
[20:22] <Acid_Reign> how do I change the init string?
[20:22] <Acid_Reign> is it just an option?
[20:22] <newbien_> Acid_Reign that should give you lots of happy numbers or an error statement
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[20:23] <newbien_> Acid_Reign did you setup kppp for your isp with telephone number, etc?
[20:23] <Acid_Reign> yeah
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[20:23] <Tambu> I'll cross my toes for happy numbers
[20:24] <newbien_> Acid_Reign good, yea, almost there, kppp has a button in the setup to diagnose the modem, may be an "advanced" modem button or "diagnosis"
[20:24] <Acid_Reign> ok
[20:24] <newbien_> Acid_Reign think its "query"
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[20:25] <Acid_Reign> ok
[20:25] <Acid_Reign> 'query modem' ?
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[20:25] <newbien_> Acid_Reign yea, that should do it all for now
[20:25] <Acid_Reign> ok
[20:25] <Acid_Reign> brb then
[20:25] <codewarrior2> >>> Unpacking oprofile-0.8.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/oprofile-0.8/work>>> Source unpacked. *  * Could not determine your kernel version.
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[20:26] <newbien_> codewarrior2 untaring the file said that?
[20:28] <codewarrior2> emerging
[20:28] Action: codewarrior2 uses gentoo
[20:28] <Tambu> he's using gentoo
[20:28] <newbien_> hehe, yep
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[20:28] <newbien_> punt ;)
[20:28] <Tambu> the ./configure section probably causing problems..
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[20:39] <Acid_Reign> I got a host of error messages when trying to save the file after editing, the first was 'unable to make a backup of original file' the second 'unable to write to file'
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[20:40] <newbien_> Acid_Reign you were in the console logged in as root?
[20:40] <Acid_Reign> ...
[20:40] Action: Acid_Reign idiot.
[20:40] <newbien_> hehe
[20:40] <Acid_Reign> brb
[20:40] <Acid_Reign> oh hey
[20:41] <Acid_Reign> where do you find the init string in kppp?
[20:41] <newbien_> Acid_Reign should be in the kppp setup for your isp
[20:41] <Acid_Reign> to change it to AT&F
[20:41] <newbien_> Acid_Reign init is initialization string
[20:42] <newbien_> yep, AT&F
[20:42] <Acid_Reign> how do you do that, though?
[20:42] <codewarrior2> >>> Unpacking oprofile-0.8.tar.gz to /var/tmp/portage/oprofile-0.8/work>>> Source unpacked. *  * Could not determine your kernel version.
[20:43] <newbien_> Acid_Reign find the button in kppp setup that says initialization string or init string and press that button, it will show the init string, change it as needed
[20:43] <Acid_Reign> yes, but I couldn't find that button, did you know where it's located specifically?
[20:44] <Acid_Reign> I can look harder too
[20:44] <newbien_> Acid_Reign cant look now, am using kppp, sorry,   so just make a not of that init string and do it another time
[20:44] <Acid_Reign> ok
[20:44] <Acid_Reign> brb
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[20:45] <ArielMT> hi.  i have a sorcerer gnu/linux box named cleopatra and a winxp+cygwin book named cleos-cat.  up until linux 2.6.7, i was able to use cleos-cat to ssh arielmt@cleopatra normally.  starting with linux 2.6.8 (and atm 2.6.8.1), cleopatra refuses to answer to that name remotely, even though the router sees it as 'cleopatra'.  i can still ssh arielmt@192.168.0.4 (cleopatra's ip).  how do i make it answer to its name again?
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[20:48] <benja22> <insert glib Mark Anthony comment here>
[20:48] <ArielMT> heh
[20:48] <newbien_> et tu brute
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[20:53] <ArielMT> my problem doesn't quite date back to roman times
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[20:57] <Acid_Reign> newbien: when the modem device was set to it's default choice, /dev/modem, I got a 'unable to open modem' upon doing a query modem. When I changed teh modem device to ttys0, I got a Modem does not respond upon query modem
[20:58] <newbien_> Acid_Reign change it where, kppp?
[20:58] <Acid_Reign> newbien: yes
[20:59] <newbien_> acid try ttys1 or s2, s3, s4 ?
[20:59] <Acid_Reign> I went up to ttys3
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[20:59] <Acid_Reign> I think beyond that it changed to different things
[20:59] <Acid_Reign> 1 was no response, 2 unable to open, 3 unable to open
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[21:00] <newbien_> k, thinkin
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[21:00] <Acid_Reign> at this point.. I'm thinking maybe I just want to download another distro..
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[21:01] <newbien_> Acid_Reign your almost there, give it another day at least
[21:01] <Tambu> Acid_Reign: :( sorry man hate .. you don't have anyone with broadband?
[21:01] <Acid_Reign> newbien: Ok
[21:01] <Acid_Reign> Tambu: I might be able to hook something up, not sure
[21:02] <ArielMT> what brand modem, if i may ask?
[21:02] <Acid_Reign> arielMT: USR 56k model 5610
[21:02] <newbien_> Acid_Reign thats all from me tonite, see you tomarrow maybe
[21:02] <ArielMT> external?
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[21:03] <Acid_Reign> ariel: int
[21:03] <Tambu> night newbien
[21:03] <newbien_> Tambu nite
[21:03] <Acid_Reign> newbien: Thanks for allt he help newbien I really appreciate it
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[21:03] <ArielMT> Acid_Reign: ls -l /dev/modem
[21:03] <Acid_Reign> ariel ?
[21:04] <ArielMT> try that command in a xterm or konsole window, and tell me what it says
[21:04] <Acid_Reign> ariel ok, brb, I'm duel-boo
[21:04] <Acid_Reign> *boot
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[21:05] <ArielMT> (this is gonna take a while, then.)  :(
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[21:06] <epitome> How can I use find and xargs to extract multiple tar files? Trying to refresh my memory :|
[21:07] <ArielMT> xargs??
[21:08] <epitome> I can't remember. Something like find -name *.tar.gz | xargs tar -zxvf.  There was a option switch on xargs to make it work.
[21:08] <ArielMT> oh.  didn't even think of that
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[21:11] <ArielMT> wb Acid_Reign
[21:11] <Acid_Reign> ariel: results: /dev/modem@      with the /dev/modem in a aqua type color
[21:12] <ArielMT> hmmm...  i don't suppose you told kppp to use /dev/modem as the modem device, have you, Acid_Reign?
[21:13] <Acid_Reign> ariel: yes I have. upon a query modem, the results were Unable to open modem
[21:13] <ArielMT> oy
[21:14] <df001zz> hey
[21:14] <df001zz> are the Wingman joypad drivers broken in 2.6.7?
[21:14] <ArielMT> there's only one other thing that i can suggest, then.
[21:14] <df001zz> my gameport is working, i just tried an analog driver
[21:14] <df001zz> w/ an older gamepad
[21:14] <df001zz> but my wingman pad doesnt work, and it does in 2.4
[21:14] <Acid_Reign> ariel: whats that?
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[21:15] <benz007> hi!
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[21:15] <Acid_Reign> benz: hello
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[21:16] <ArielMT> Acid_Reign: when you decide to muck with kppp again, do the command "ls /dev/ttyS*" and plug in all the names the command gives you, regardless of whether you've tried it already.  as dmr once said, "when in doubt, use brute force"
[21:17] <ArielMT> do the ls command in xterm or konsole or whatever other term you use
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[21:17] <Wally2> how do I use grep to search two words together like "good day"
[21:17] <Acid_Reign> ariel: I don't follow
[21:18] <Wally2> search a file containing those two words in order I mean
[21:18] <ArielMT> Wally2: put them in quotes
[21:19] <Acid_Reign> ariel: i g2g, thanks for the help
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[21:19] <ArielMT> Acid_Reign: ls /dev/ttyS* gives a list of all files starting with "ttyS".  your modem may show up as something like ttyS4, ttyS0, ttyS03, etc.  i have no way of knowing
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[21:19] <Acid_Reign> ok
[21:19] <Wally2> thanks
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[21:20] <ArielMT> Acid_Reign: sorry i can't be better help
[21:20] <Acid_Reign> ariel: np, thanks for the help
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[21:21] <Bearcat> hey folks, I'm back ..miss me?
[21:21] <karynn> no
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[21:28] <Bearcat> When i am logged in as 'bearcat' and i 'su buffalo' I can not launch any X apps as buffalo.  I have to do a xhost +localhost as root to launch X apps as anything other then 'root'  or 'bearcat'. Why? There must be a way to fix this.
[21:29] <karynn> Bearcat: that behavior is by design
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[21:30] <Wally2> how do I use grep to search files for a string that only have a certian file extention, like ".msg"?
[21:30] <karynn> strings dont have file extensions
[21:30] <Bearcat> karynn: what?  why?
[21:30] <Wally2> file names
[21:30] <karynn> Wally2: you mean, grep string *.msg ?
[21:31] <ArielMT> don't use grep to find file names.  use find.
[21:31] <karynn> or find . -name '*.msg' -print0 | xargs -0 grep string
[21:31] <Wally2> I currently use grep -r searchstring /home/user -H -l
[21:31] <Wally2> and that works, but for ALL files
[21:31] <karynn> i don't know what you intend for -H and -l to do, but they probably don't do what you expect
[21:31] <Wally2> and grep -r searchstring /home/user/*.msg -H -l gives an error that the argument list is too long
[21:31] <karynn> you can't put switches AFTER file names.
[21:32] <karynn> this is not windows
[21:32] <Wally2> yes you can, I did and it works
[21:32] <Wally2> I am using RH 9.0
[21:32] <karynn> Wally2: no, you can't, and it doesn't
[21:32] <hlen> you can, it does, but you shouldn't, and it might not
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[21:32] <Wally2> ok, now I use grep  -H -l -r searchstring /home/user/*.msg
[21:32] <ArielMT> Wally2: if you found commands that take switches after filenames, then you stumbled upon the exception, not the rule.
[21:32] <Wally2> and it still gives the error of argument list too long
[21:33] <hlen> so cd /home/usr && grep ... *.msg
[21:33] <Wally2> no
[21:33] <Wally2> I am using a perl script to call it
[21:33] <Wally2> so I cant do that
[21:33] <karynn> Wally2: use the find command i mentioned above
[21:33] <Wally2> ok
[21:33] <karynn> Wally2: sure you can.  perl has a chdir primitive
[21:34] <hlen> can anyone in the world understand xmacro? tools like that drive me insane
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[21:43] <Wally2> thanks!
[21:43] <Wally2> it works now
[21:44] <karynn> Wally2: that'll be $11.95
[21:44] <Kn1ght> lol
[21:44] <karynn> $12.95, since you laughed.
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[21:47] <Wally2> seriously
[21:47] <Wally2> I can pay someone with paypal
[21:47] <Wally2> if they help me
[21:47] <Wally2> from time to time
[21:47] <Wally2> with linux commands
[21:47] <Wally2> maybe I can offer someone a job working on my server
[21:48] <Wally2> only bad thing is that I use AIM, if you have AIM and are interested, let me know your SN
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[21:50] <Erpo> Does anyone know what "Three pounds of VAX!" is all about?
[21:51] <ArielMT> google three pounds of flax
[21:51] <google> three pounds of flax: http://www.sueellen.org/mag/coverstory/8.html
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[21:52] <ArielMT> well -that- wasn't it...  but just google that thing.  it's a zen pun
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[21:56] <swim> hey folks suddeny after compiling a new kernel (2681) my cds/dvds are not being detected... ?
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[21:57] <vogue> anyone here do incremental backups with rsync?
[21:58] <Erpo> lol. Ok, thanks.
[21:59] <ArielMT> np
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[22:00] <ArielMT> blast.  xchat really needs the /slap command so i can slap google
[22:00] <ArielMT> google /slap
[22:00] <google> slap: http://www.hoslap.net/
[22:00] <ArielMT> O.o
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[22:01] <DJNunez> any new enlightenment themes, themes.org has only old stuff
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[22:05] <vogue> anyone here ever used snapback2, the incremental rsync backup script?
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[22:09] <DJNunez> is e17 stable enough to run?
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[22:10] <Bearcat> DJNunez: no
[22:10] <Codename_V> DJNunez: doesn't even exist yet last I read about it
[22:10] <Bearcat> DJNunez: you can download the libraris, but the wm does not exist yet. I'm using E16 adn i love it.
[22:10] <DJNunez> why doesnt it exist anymore?
[22:11] <Bearcat> DJNunez: : they're still coding E17.
[22:11] <Codename_V> DJNunez: anymore?  they started over from scratch doing enlightenment.  it never existed in the first place
[22:11] <DJNunez> ahh
[22:11] <swim> I heard that: when you run make menuconfig it will check out your current setup and try and fill in as much as it can based on that. is that true?  Anyone?
[22:12] <DJNunez> they've been working on it for awhile...
[22:12] <ananke> swim : nope, it's not true.
[22:12] <Bearcat> swim: true. the setup is based on a file on your system
[22:12] <Bearcat> oh..you meant scanning your system.
[22:12] <Bearcat> *that* would be cool!
[22:13] <Codename_V> ah, that's right, it looks for config files in /boot, or no?
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[22:14] <swim> hmm so if I did make oldconfig wouldnt that then have all the selections the old kernel made (in this case mdk 2.6.3-7)?
[22:14] <Bearcat> Codename_V: you cans load them from where ever you want and save them to where ever you want.
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[22:15] <Codename_V> Bearcat: well sure.  but if there's no .config file to begin with I think it checks out what's in /boot
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[22:16] <Bearcat> Codename_V: you may be right. I've never been in that situation myself
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[22:16] <Codename_V> anake seems to know, but isn't talking...
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[22:16] <karynn> ananke knows everything
[22:17] <swim> ananke, so if I did make oldconfig wouldnt that then have all the selections the old kernel made (in this case mdk 2.6.3-7)?
[22:18] <ananke> swim : actually, my time is up. karynn's shift is starting now, you can direct your questions to her.
[22:18] <karynn> ananke: haha
[22:18] <Codename_V> lol
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[22:19] <swim> heh
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[22:20] <ananke> karynn : hmm, out of curiosity, do you have san deployed over a larger distance?
[22:20] <swim> umm sorry karynn, could you answer my question?
[22:21] <karynn> ananke: sans do not exist in this dojo, i'm sorry to say
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[22:23] <ananke> i got a building few miles away, and trying to figure out what we're going to do about san connectivity
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[22:25] <karynn> ananke: ugh.
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[22:25] <karynn> ananke: SCSI-over-Ethernet-over-LX fiber, i suppose
[22:26] <karynn> ananke: performance will suck, though
[22:26] <ananke> yeah, that was one of the options. our campus networking folks are researching stuff now, i-scsi is one
[22:27] <karynn> i should start getting my tsm proposals in soon
[22:27] <karynn> i think becky will get hers to me tomorrow
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[22:27] <karynn> not sure about berbee and optimus
[22:28] <karynn> i'm not too keen on optimus, though
[22:28] <karynn> they impressed me least during the sales proces
[22:28] <ananke> i don't even know what berbee and optimus are ;)
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[22:29] <karynn> ananke: vendors :)
[22:29] <ananke> we deal directly with ibm :)
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[22:30] <karynn> ananke: they're the fourth vendor in the puddle.
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[22:31] <ananke> talking about ibm, i should be getting my freebie golf shirt soon. these days it's impossible to get any decent shwag
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[22:32] <panasonic9854> i editted /etc/ssh/sshd_config to change my secure shell port, how do i make it effective without
[22:32] <panasonic9854> rebooting?
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[22:33] <karynn> panasonic9854: restart sshd
[22:34] <Ardino> hi to all .. i just installed debian in my pc .. i want to install gnome and kde coz the .iso file had only the system file
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[22:35] <panasonic9854> karynn, ? restart command not found?
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[22:35] <flodine> can you run aterm with vim
[22:35] <vogue> panasonic9854, killall -HUP sshd
[22:35] <vogue> perhaps
[22:36] <flodine> anyone know how to change colors in aterm
[22:36] <panasonic9854> vogue, yeah it works, now what?
[22:37] <vogue> panasonic9854, now sshd is restarted, and it reloaded sshd_config
[22:37] <ananke> panasonic9854 : what distro do you have?
[22:37] <vogue> most likely, so now your changes should be in effect
[22:37] <panasonic9854> ananke, redhat
[22:37] <ananke> panasonic9854 : service sshd restart
[22:38] <ananke> that's a bit safer than 'killall'
[22:38] <flodine> help//////////////
[22:38] <ananke> flodine : try #help
[22:38] <flodine> come on
[22:38] <ananke> flodine : what
[22:38] <ananke> flodine : go read the man page or search the fine web
[22:38] <panasonic9854> ananke, thx, it looks good
[22:39] <flodine> why are you here
[22:39] <ananke> panasonic9854 : use what i told you, especially in cases when you are connected remotely
[22:39] <ananke> flodine : to tell people like you to read the fine manual
[22:39] <flodine> wow dont have time dude
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[22:40] <flodine> your wrong for that
[22:40] <ananke> panasonic9854 : it will save you from having an unpleasant surprise of being disconnected, and not being able to get back in
[22:40] <ananke> flodine : wrong for what? for what i do?
[22:40] <vogue> ananke, will it?
[22:40] <vogue> restarting sshd doesn't kill your connected processes?
[22:40] <vogue> i always assumed it did.. lol
[22:41] <ananke> vogue : using service sshd restart doesn't.
[22:41] <vogue> i see, cool :)  thanks
[22:41] <panasonic9854> ananke, connected remotely as both user and root?
[22:41] <ananke> if you actually look in the script, you will see what it does: the listening sshd gets restarted, not all of the sshd's
[22:41] <ananke> panasonic9854 : huh?
[22:41] <flodine> can someone help me with aterm colors?want to change them
[22:42] <ananke> flodine : i tell you what. repeat your question 20 more times, since the people here haven't noticed yet
[22:42] <karynn> question?
[22:42] <PodSix> question is Y?
[22:42] <karynn> someone asked a question?
[22:42] <karynn> ananke: didn't you clock out?
[22:42] <flodine> why you messing with me dude
[22:43] <ananke> good point. he hasn't even asked a question.
[22:43] <flodine> i didnt fuck your sister
[22:43] <karynn> flodine: nor will you ever et the chance, at least here
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[22:43] <ananke> he just went a tad bit over the edge there
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[22:44] <karynn> ya think?
[22:44] <Ardino> hi to all .. i just installed debian in my pc .. i want to install gnome and kde coz the .iso file had only the system file
[22:44] <ananke> Ardino : apt-get would be one way
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[22:45] <meta-ridley> where did sisters come into the conversation?
[22:45] <meta-ridley> what an idiot
[22:47] <Triskelios> Ardino: debian uses apt-get for retrieving stuff
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[22:50] <Ardino> thnx ananke
[22:50] <Ardino> also u Triskelios
[22:50] <ananke> np
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[22:51] <tyreth> Hi, are there ways to make using a cd drive or usb key like windows?  ie, put in a cd then just access it, and then eject without needing to move out of the cdrom folder?  and just plugging in a usb key and having it immediately available?
[22:51] <tyreth> I'm not sure if I should be looking for kernel options or something above that.
[22:53] <meta-ridley> automount
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[22:53] <baua> what is tcp_sendmsg doing
[22:54] <meta-ridley> ive got bigger problems.. my mail spool is all backed up
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[22:57] <panasonic9854> ananke, if i "# port 1234", will any port be able to connect or the the sshd_config load port 22 as default?
[22:59] <vogue> anyone know of any other network file system OTHER than NFS?
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[23:02] <mwestd> i am doing a manual install of suse 9.1 because i had to load a driver for my raid controller. after i selected the raid controller from the list, i pressed ok, and then it asked me for parameters, any idea what i should put?
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[23:08] <panasonic9854> is there a general way of finding out what values are loaded in any_config_files? i.e. in smb.conf, it loads all sort of thing when my file is only 5 lines in lenght, how do i find out what values are loaded in sshd_config?
[23:08] <meta-ridley> huh?
[23:09] <panasonic9854> how do i find out what default values are loaded in sshd_config.
[23:09] <swim> hi, anyone care to help me make a decision on one of three laptops? urls:      http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-8026&qp=0330433053337&oid=95422&m=0        http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-8026&qp=0330433053337&oid=95419&m=0         http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-8026&qp=0330433053337&oid=95078&m=0
[23:09] <panasonic9854> sshd_config is like 3 lines long
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[23:10] <vogue> man sshd_config ?
[23:10] <meta-ridley> read the docs to find out what defaults are i guess
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[23:11] <panasonic9854> so, if i want to find out about smb.conf, i man it. is there a all-mighty-command that can find the default values are for any config file? like 'all-might config.file'
[23:12] <meta-ridley> haha no
[23:12] <panasonic9854> damn it
[23:12] <meta-ridley> why... or are you just wondering
[23:12] <panasonic9854> just wondering
[23:13] <meta-ridley> its not too hard to read the documents to find out though
[23:14] <panasonic9854> yes, but sometimes i don't know what to read. like the man command for the config file.  "man what.config"?
[23:14] <panasonic9854> "man what.config.file"
[23:14] <meta-ridley> man -k <keyword> does a search
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[23:15] <meta-ridley> makes things easier sometimes
[23:15] <panasonic9854> hm.. that i didn't know
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[23:16] <swim> nyone: Im buing a laptop, basically what I need to decide upon is two models, one has an amd xp-m 3000+ at 1.6 gHz and the other an amd xp-m 2800+ at 2.133Ghz,help?
[23:16] <mwestd>  i am doing a manual install of suse 9.1 because i had to load a driver for my raid controller. after i selected the driver from the list, i pressed ok, and then it asked me for parameters, any idea what i should put?
[23:16] <meta-ridley> did you try reading the docs
[23:16] <mwestd> what docs?
[23:16] <PodSix> docs are great
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[23:17] <mwestd> online manuals? kernel dev. logs? what docs are you talking about
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[23:18] <bifeo> NICK
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[23:18] <swim> any channels that focus on cpus ?
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[23:30] <vogue> I've got a question... say you've got a box that you'll rarely need root on, loads all it's stuff off NFS.  Except for various reasons you turn no_root_squash on, which means anyone who gets root on the client has root on the NFS server.  At any rate, /etc/passwd is ro, as are most system files... would it be a wasted effort to have a cron script that killed any running processes that were not in an allowed list?
[23:30] <vogue> (and owned by root)
[23:32] <daniel_> just give root a shell of /bin/false ;-)
[23:32] <panasonic9854> anyone here have something like this? --> 2 nic cards in machine A, card 1 connects to ISP, card 2 connects to local network.
[23:33] <vogue> daniel_, well, I'm thinking more of an overflow, where an attacker forces some root daemon to give them a /bin/bash or something to that effect
[23:33] <vogue> where, it would kill it and send out an alert
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[23:35] <vogue> panasonic9854, I did a long time ago
[23:35] <vogue> panasonic9854, i forget what it's called, bridging nat on bsd i think??  could be wrong
[23:37] <vogue> panasonic9854, i think this may be what you want : http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[23:37] <daniel_> panasonic9854: I do. Simple MASQUERADE and ip_forward will be enough for the local net to access internet over that box
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[23:38] <Skapare> on a redhat system, how do I get the daemon I set up with a start script in /etc/rc.d to show up in the setup system services menu?
[23:38] <swim> anyone know anything about amd processors?
[23:39] Action: Skapare doesn't
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[23:40] <dr_willis> swim,  thats about all i use.
[23:40] <dr_willis> :P
[23:40] <dr_willis> got an AMD64 machine, 2 amd xp machines
[23:40] <swim> dr_willis, Im buing a laptop, basically what I need to decide upon is two models, one has an amd xp-m 3000+ at 1.6 gHz and the other an amd xp-m 2800+ at 2.133Ghz
[23:40] <swim> I think it's 1.6 ghz (thats what the ad says...)
[23:40] <dr_willis> I got an emachine with the AMD64
[23:40] <dr_willis> model 6811 - for the $$$ its very nice
[23:40] <dr_willis> the xp-m is a low power xp cpu.
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[23:41] <vogue> Skapare, chkconfig --add daemon  ??
[23:41] <dr_willis> i think ya got some #'s wrong or somthing. :) the 2800+ should be running at about 2 ghz. or so
[23:41] <Skapare> vogue: thanks
[23:41] <vogue> heh.. dunno what the system services menu is tho... so it's just a guess
[23:41] <dr_willis> the 3000+ at like 2.7 or so
[23:41] <swim> dr_willis, really!
[23:42] <swim> dr_willis, http://www.circuitcity.com/detail.jsp?c=1&b=g&u=c&catoid=-8026&qp=0330433053337&oid=95422&m=0
[23:42] <Skapare> vogue: it says: service nsd does not support chkconfig
[23:42] <vogue> you have to add a chkconfig header
[23:42] <dr_willis> the Amd64 I got is a -- 3200+ i think and it runs at like 2.4 ghz or somthing
[23:42] <vogue> look at the others, and man chkconfig
[23:43] <dr_willis> 3400+ ==== 2.21 ghz
[23:43] <panasonic9854> daniel_, actually, my true interest is --> 56k dial (ISP) and NIC on machine A, connect NIC to local network.  yes, this is truly sad.
[23:43] <Skapare> vogue: OK
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[23:45] <panasonic9854> though at desparate times, calls for desparate measures
[23:45] <daniel_> How would I put the input stream in uppercase with sed?
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[23:46] <Aida-Night> can someone tell me why the volume slider on my sound mixer doesn't work ????
[23:46] <swim> dr_willis, can you recommend one of those more than the other?
[23:46] <Aida-Night> the PCM slider works fine...
[23:46] <dr_willis> swim,  local store dident have that one in stock :P i got my 6811 because #1 - its an amd64, and #2 it had a 80 GB hd. and #3 it had a 9600 video card. :P
[23:46] <Aida-Night> I'm trying to setup the gnome hotkeys and it only changes the master volume which is not working
[23:46] <dr_willis> and ive gotten gentoo working GOOD with my  6811 :P
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[23:49] <Skapare> vogue: that did it, thanks
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[23:50] <vogue> Skapare, cool :)
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[23:55] <Slade> hey folks
[23:55] <daniel_> Hey Slade
[23:55] <Slade> what's goin on?
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[23:57] <Slade> im just sittin here DJing on my shoutcast stream
[23:57] <Slade> and bored
[23:57] <Slade> was wondering if there was any activity in here
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