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[00:34] hi to all i need alittle help ..i want to install gnome and kde on my linux distro ... any sugestion how except atp-get [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/13 e/- I/-] [00:35] odth (~odth@161.a.001.ham.iprimus.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [00:35] zomtec (1000@pD9EA9F2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:36] Dolphins_Girl: why not with apt-get? [00:36] spike: I wonder if it's a girl. [00:36] daniel_: no, that's obvious [00:37] It is? [00:37] Dolphins_Girl: btw unless u want a big headache it's better for use you distro's packages manager, whichever it is, yast, urmpi, apt-get... [00:38] daniel_: he's not [00:38] spike: when i use apt-get install gnome kde i get e: couldent find package gnome [00:39] Dolphins_Girl: probably u miss something in your mirros, gnome is obviously packaged for debian, as kde is [00:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/13 e/- I/-] [00:41] i got the .iso filetoday from the web page of debian and actualy i was surprised that it was small .. maybe that .iso image was only the system without the package is there a way to get it differently [00:41] mr_kreg (~kreg@customer-dsl-216-222-8-189.boi.velocitus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:42] foo (~foo@ca-glendora-cuda2-c10a-b-97.arcdca.adelphia.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:42] Dolphins_Girl: ah, the iso... probably u got the "netinstall cd". which is the bare minimun system and u have to install from the net the rest [00:42] foo (~foo@ca-glendora-cuda2-c10a-b-97.arcdca.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:43] yep that is the one that i have ... can u sugest me and give me some clue how to do it throug net ... newbie in linux ...! [00:43] please [00:44] Dolphins_Girl: this is the best suggestion ever... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install [00:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/13 e/- I/-] [00:45] and burn a new image [00:46] Dolphins_Girl: it'll walk u step by step configuring mirrors, downloading isos, setting up gnome or kde and all u need to get up a debian system up and running smoothly [00:48] spike: can u tell me where i can find the extended version of the system [00:49] heritech_ (heritech@208.27.69.126) joined #linuxhelp. [00:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/13 e/- I/-] [00:50] lzhz789 (~lzhz789@210.22.48.10) joined #linuxhelp. [00:50] hi,i changed the default language from Chinese to English in redhat 9.0,when i type "tcpdump" as a root user,it shows "tcpdump: listening on eth0" and nothing output to the screen,can somebody tell me how to see the packet tcpdump program get?thanks! [00:51] zomtec (1000@pD9EAA187.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [00:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-] [00:56] Dolphins_Girl: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ choose the mirror closest to u [00:59] heritech_ (heritech@208.27.69.126) left irc: "BitchX-1.0c18 -- just do it." [00:59] lzhz: man tcpdump [01:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:00] Writing user file... [01:00] Writing channel file... [01:00] Jazza (Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) joined #linuxhelp. [01:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [01:01] Norky (~dan@milton.ocsl.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:04] war- (war@producto-valvo.com) joined #linuxhelp. [01:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:05] Airwulf (~Airwulf@lbst-rn-1.lbst.et.Fh-Osnabrueck.DE) joined #linuxhelp. [01:05] hello to you all [01:05] how can I test in a bash shellscript if a partition is mounted? [01:05] Skapare (600@altair.ipal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:07] Airwulf: mount | grep "^/mountpoint" [01:08] actually, that would be the device, not the mountpoint =P [01:09] Triskelios: Well, it's 10 o'clock in the morning and I'm sitting at a windows box. My brain is in sleep-mode, sorry ;-) [01:09] Triskelios: But fortunately, I think he wants to know the device (partition) anyways ;-) [01:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:10] Nick change: jenna -> jenna-away [01:10] oi, not meaning to nitpick [01:12] Triskelios: Nah, you didn't nitpick. [01:12] nmatrix9 (nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: [01:13] wazquis (akv@lnxbx.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:13] Ardino (~LinuX@pool-68-161-89-253.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:14] jenna: i have read the man pages,but can't find the answer,i think it may has relationship with the language problem,when i boot the system,it shows "utf8:uuuuuuuu". [01:14] hi to all ... i am in this mirror to download debian http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ .. do i need all the images ... soo 13 CD or i can burn more than one image in one CD [01:14] i already had it that way, Ardino. [01:14] Dolphins_Girl (grrrrr@dialup-4.231.238.94.Dial1.NewYork1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] i have a driver for a device, but when i plug it in i get "...vend/prod 0x56a/0x13) is not claimed by any active driver" - the driver is loaded, how can i fix this, some kind of force or do i have to modifcy the sourcecode to the driver? [01:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:22] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:22] baua (~baua@p508739E2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] daniel_: thx habe es [01:24] Airwulf: "habe es"? [01:24] wie kann ich denn einer variable das ergebnis einer function zuweise innem shellskript? mounted=$(IsMounted /dev/hda1) funzt. IsMounted ist eine function [01:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:25] daniel_: Neija habe es mit deinen beispiel hinbekommen [01:25] Airwulf: This is, and always was, an english speaking channel... [01:25] Airwulf: You gave the solution to your second problem yourself, didn't you? [01:25] oh sh*t sorry i thought i was in linux.de [01:26] daniel_: no i did not because mounted=$(IsMounted /dev/hda1) won't work [01:27] jtm_tango (~jtucat@brln-d9ba2d13.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:29] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:29] daniel_: Can you take a look at the script? http://www.pastebin.com/93843 [01:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [01:30] Tcl error in script for 'timer1985987': [01:30] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [01:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:34] linuxfreck (~linuxfrec@fry.fmi.uni-passau.de) joined #linuxhelp. [01:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:41] doy (~doy@24.207.189.67) joined #linuxhelp. [01:41] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:42] what can i do if grub cant seem to find my grub.conf? [01:42] it boots into grub, and i can run 'configfile (hd0,1)/grub/grub.conf' to make it work, but it doesnt happen automatically [01:44] mandrake: sorry isnt there a way to urpmi update the kernel? i cany remmember [01:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:45] odth (~odth@161.a.001.ham.iprimus.net.au) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [01:46] jtm_tango (~jtucat@brln-d9ba2d13.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:49] kreg (~kreg@customer-dsl-216-222-8-189.boi.velocitus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-] [01:52] lzhz789 (~lzhz789@210.22.48.10) left irc: [01:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:00] Writing user file... [02:00] Writing channel file... [02:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [02:01] Nick change: jenna-away -> jenna [02:02] Inv_Arp (junya@adsl-10-175-3.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[02:10] vogue: do you mean something like `exec process` [02:10] vogue: i.e. replacing the current process [02:10] thebag (thebag@dsl-57-68.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:11] well, if i run something at the console, or through ssh [02:11] is it a child of bash? [02:11] if i kill bash, will it go as well? [02:11] vogue: normally, yes [02:11] any way to avoid that? [02:12] Aida-Night (~aida@c-24-20-243-130.client.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:12] GG_Allin (~snozzy@CPE0050ba3f56cf-CM000f9f7f15cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:13] vogue: if you don't kill bash but simply type 'exit' it should stay [02:13] Jazza (Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:13] fntc : ahh.. cool :) [02:13] thanks [02:13] vogue: np [02:14] vogue: you may also want to have a look at ' [02:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:15] man nohup' [02:15] nohup :) [02:15] bah, too late ;) [02:15] Norky: :-) [02:15] btw, has anyone an idea regarding my ide problem :) [02:16] hey, has anybody here ever coded a postsuper/mailq wrapper? I can't find one and I'd love to not duplicate someone else job... [02:16] how do i get mozilla to show me those adobe fonts to choose from? [02:16] like adobe-ariel-iso8850-1 or whatever its called [02:17] arial is from monotype... [02:17] fntc, this is probably a very stupid question... but i've want to have nfs clients, but for various reasons they need no_root_squash.. meaning if someone gets root on the client, they basically have root on the server over the nfs shares [02:17] fntc: your "ide problem" is what experts refer to as "wierd" ;) [02:17] Norky: think so too [02:18] would it be a terrible way to go about things, to run a small script that immediately killed root shells and alerted me? [02:18] fntc irc 'clash' perhaps? [02:18] because most everything is loaded off NFS... it doesn't really need much of a login [02:18] irq, sorry [02:18] and it will be local [02:18] Triskelios: in debian, i dont see a monotype package [02:18] i donno what package im looking for [02:18] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:18] hellz_hunter: I don't know what you're trying to do [02:19] Norky: hm, i should check that [02:19] you want fonts? [02:19] what's a good tool to use for monitoring network bandwidth utilization? [02:19] yxa: ntop is a simple one [02:19] vogue: hm, i don't quite understand; for which purpose do they need to be root and why do you want to kill them then [02:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:20] no one needs to be root.. heh on the client box [02:20] i don't want someone to get a root shell tho. [02:20] lol [02:20] Triskelios is there one to show stats for the whole month or year nicely in a chart or something? [02:20] fntc: swap the disks around, put the 2 which are on 2ndary IDE channel onto primary & disable 2ndary channel, just to check the disks themselves are not causing the problem [02:20] Norky: ok [02:21] Triskelios: there are some fonts in mozilla i want to use, i dont remember what package i installed (i cant install mozilla-xft so i donno if thats what i need, debian installs mozilla-browser for me instead) but the name of the font i used said something like Adobe and it had some kind of iso number after it [02:21] it's not likely, but you shoudl always elimate as many possiblities as possible ;) [02:21] yxa, you want mrtq or rrdtool [02:21] dripOl (~dripOl@81.13.156.68) joined #linuxhelp. [02:21] mrtg [02:22] vogue: sorry, could you elaborate: i still don't understand why the clients need root nfs access [02:22] vogue: a script that kills root logins would be subject to a race condition... if someone can inject a trojan before their shell is killed... well... :) [02:22] yxa: try mrtg [02:22] Triskelios: yea, i guess i need to install fonts of some sort, just donno what im missing [02:22] ok [02:23] muff (~muff@r71s11p19.home.nbox.cz) joined #linuxhelp. [02:23] fntc : well... one reason apache needs to write log files to all those user's home dirs [02:23] haze, how so? [02:23] how do I set a jpg file as my wallpaper in Fluxbox? [02:23] hello, what exactly mean ide0(3,3) it is primary channel 0 .... [02:24] hellz_hunter: erm, all X font names are in that format --> but the name of the font i used said something like Adobe and it had some kind of iso number after it [02:24] i'm saying that if they can get root, even if their shell is killed almost immediately, they can still compromise the system. [02:24] fntc, they don't mount the entire server, but somethings they do mount as root... no as root, but if someone were to GET root on the client, their permissions would carry over to the server [02:24] Triskelios: do u know how to got those adobe font types on ur computer? or know what i should look for? [02:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:25] nobody know ? [02:25] vogue: yes that's true but the problem is that you should only allow root nfs from absolutely trusted systems [02:25] haze, they'd have to do it mighty quick... heh! but the speed really isn't a big deal... making it hard for them while the email about their presence comes to me is the important part [02:25] vogue: reason is that nfs is inherently insecure [02:26] they'd still have control over your system before you could do anything about it [02:26] hellz_hunter: basic fonts from adobe like times and helvetica are distributed with X, you sorta need them for basic X apps [02:26] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:27] haze, perhaps! but it's better than me finding out a day later, i think anyway [02:27] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:27] with ssh, for example... you can connect and tell the server to execute a command instead of a login shell. they could do any number of things with that. make it replace the passwd file, for example. [02:27] plus.. they'll probably "set it off" before they figure out wtf is going on [02:28] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:28] wazquis (akv@lnxbx.dk) left #linuxhelp. [02:29] haze, only an ssh login that gave them the equivalent of root [02:29] muff (~muff@r71s11p19.home.nbox.cz) left #linuxhelp. [02:29] would let them do that [02:29] bottom line is: you don't want the system to be compromised in the first place. [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:30] it's better to do everything you can to prevent it from happening in the first place, not worrying about what to do once they've gained access. [02:30] hellz_hunter: if you want more fonts, look for the bitstream vera set (packaged with most distros) and ms corefonts (requires a windows licence, you can also copy them off a windows box) [02:30] damn was compiling kernel, and suddenly got logged out of x, can I just start over from "make all" ? [02:30] well... i try, but i just want to make sure i'll know [02:31] bitstream vera set? [02:31] for instance... most buffer overflow code, seems to run a shell first... it can do various other nasty things, that just seems to be common [02:31] Ardino (~LinuX@pool-68-161-89-253.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: [02:32] yea ive already got it [02:32] hmm [02:33] torf (~torf@p5091B9A4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:33] maxxik (~maxx@gw.pravex-brok.com.ua) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:34] at any rate, they really shouldn't have access to NFS at all.. the problem would be more likely to be in something that is listening on the public IP [02:34] like apache, sendmail, or something like that [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:35] i just don't want someone with root digging around on one of these public clients for an extended period of time without me knowing it [02:35] maxxik (~maxx@gw.pravex-brok.com.ua) joined #linuxhelp. [02:35] hackmiker (~misu@ppp-130-15.dialup.pcnet.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [02:36] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp02481156pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:37] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp02481156pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:38] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:41] dimmik (~dimmik@ip-92-239.first.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [02:43] Hi all, is it possible to have the public ip of a dsl connection to the linux box while using a router? [02:44] More specific while using pppoA. [02:44] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp02481156pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:44] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp02481156pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:44] Jazza (Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:45] dimmik: best to have an external host (or the router itself) report it [02:45] dimmik: what do u want to do exactly? ssh dsl ip = ssh to the linux box? [02:45] 'lo Triskelios [02:46] spike: I want my linux box to act as a firewall/nat not my dsl router [02:46] hi spike [02:47] dimmik: just don't filter ur traffic on the router and do that on the linux box [02:48] Cwiiis (~chris@82-43-43-168.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:49] spike: my router does the authentication to the isp and the it performs nat/firewall. I can configure it as RFC 1483 Bridged mode but then will my linux box be able to authnticate with pppd and pppoatm plugin? [02:49] norton (~nik@h223n1fls306o1124.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:50] I want to do all these because I need to shape incomming/outgoing rates with htb [02:50] odth (~odth@161.a.001.ham.iprimus.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [02:51] phobox (~phobie@pD95D3788.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:52] maybe spike could help :-P [02:53] spike: u got some kind of adobe fonts in ur mozilla font config? [02:53] hellz_hunter: use links-ssl ;P [02:54] norton (~nik@h223n1fls306o1124.telia.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/13 e/- I/-] [02:55] lol [02:55] that would be very unentertaining on some of the webpages i tend to visit :-P [02:55] you need to find new pages [02:56] i donno what fonts i need for mozilla to show some kind of adobe fonts, Triskelios mentioned something about monotype fonts, but ive installed almost, if not all the font packages debian has to offer [02:56] Triskelios: like what? :P [02:56] fntc (~fntc@p5480D1DF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:56] irvken (~irvken@82-32-97-66.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [03:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:00] hellz_hunter: you already have the adobe fonts, which are helvetica, times, and courier... [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [03:01] Leth (~lethorion@h14n2fls302o1038.telia.com) joined #linuxhelp. [03:01] dark__ (~dark@81.196.105.226) joined #linuxhelp. [03:01] Leth (~lethorion@h14n2fls302o1038.telia.com) left #linuxhelp. [03:01] i dont mean to make a big deal about it [03:02] hy do i unload a module from kernel? [03:02] like rivafb [03:02] im just curious as to why some installs ive had had the adobe fonts (it said adobe-courier-iso-8850-1 or whatever) and now i dont see it [03:02] hellz_hunter: most apps don't use the long font names anymore [03:03] dark__: rmmod. but framebuffer drivers are usually not modules [03:04] oh [03:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:05] also, i do not have helvetica [03:05] just, fyi :) [03:07] L`WldRbit (~wildrabbi@adsl7-69.simnet.is) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:07] hackmiker (~misu@ppp-130-15.dialup.pcnet.ro) left irc: "i go" [03:08] OleMoudi (~olemoudi@80.103.83.146) joined #linuxhelp. [03:09] Tcl error in script for 'timer1987948': [03:09] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [03:09] sonix1 (~Ark@203.58.215.44) joined #linuxhelp. [03:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:10] phobox (~phobie@pD95D3788.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [03:10] php_rox (~JBouncer@67.39.216.91) joined #linuxhelp. [03:10] vogue (~vogue@66.169.14.249) left irc: "Leaving" [03:10] Mornin all [03:11] morning php_rox [03:11] How's it goin sonix1 [03:11] good thanks [03:11] phobox (~phobie@pD95D3788.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:12] hellz_hunter: apt-get install msttcorefonts [03:12] I think this is one of the few times I've joined and it hasn't been totally saturated with conversation [03:12] fuque (~fuque@host81-137-63-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #linuxhelp. [03:13] hehe [03:13] spike: did it [03:13] tryin to think of the command that lists all the fonts u have on ur computer [03:13] xlsfonts, fc-list [03:13] php_rox: it's all ways a bit quite when i'm on, as i'm on the other side of the world in australia [03:13] hellz_hunter: xlsfonts [03:13] (one for "old" X font system, other for fontconfig) [03:14] php_rox: php sux [03:14] spike: don't knock php, it's better than asp [03:14] spike: So ASP rox? [03:14] WcktKlwn (WcktKlwn@Signed.A.Petition.To.StopAOL.Com) left irc: Client Quit [03:14] heh-heh [03:14] that's funny [03:14] sorry, had to say that ;) [03:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:15] does RH come with a DVD player? [03:15] sonix1: php_rox asp just sux *much more* ;) [03:15] matt_ (~matt@3ffe:bc0:d0d:1:e412:5ce7:7bcd:4ab4) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [03:15] i prefer apache and asp doesn't work well with apache [03:16] php works real well tho [03:16] DJNunez: xine, vlc, mplayer [03:16] dripOl (~dripOl@81.13.156.68) left irc: "HapPy sLAckY" [03:16] xine is my favourite dvd player [03:16] How would you go about troubleshooting a problem with an email server. I can telnet to port 25 and 110 and I get a response from both, so the servers are up and running. [03:16] same here [03:16] its not installed by default [03:17] php_rox: is there an admin tool for the email server [03:17] Sonix, it's all command line. [03:17] php_rox: try to retrieve mail from them manually [03:17] thx guys [03:17] cya [03:17] php_rox: check the configs [03:18] It shows there is no mail on the server. [03:18] php_rox: and it's log [03:18] anybody have problems with Dell lappys before with the HD clicking? [03:19] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp02481156pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:21] dell laptops are the worst to work with linux [03:22] really sonix1, I've found them to be one of the best [03:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:26] other laptops are easier, from things ive found on the net [03:27] dell laptops seem to work fine in general, with some exceptions. some others have issues that are fixed by bios updates [03:27] UQlev (~ykulyev@sallbay9.logos.cy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:28] i've seen one page on the internet with a list of things to get it to run linux [03:28] sony's I have found to be the worst by far [03:28] sonix1: so you have no actual experience with the laptops? [03:28] i haven't installed linux on a laptop [03:29] as it was a school laptop [03:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [03:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:30] I haven't either, it was actually freebsd in my case, but anyway, same issue [03:33] could anyone help me with a routing problem we have please? basically we have two linux boxes acting as gateways. what I want to do is redirect any requests for port 80 on one to the other one [03:33] phobox (~phobie@pD95D3788.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [03:34] Ive been lookign for some examples but they all seem to do redirecting/forwarding between cards in one machine [03:34] fuque: you probably want iptables -j DNAT [03:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:35] TD (~mike@foghorn.codeweavers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [03:35] how do I tell a configure script to look in an alternative directory for libraries? [03:35] ie append -L flags to the gcc link line [03:35] LDFLAGS="-L/my/dir" ./configure ? [03:36] fuque: maybe this helps: http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-6.html [03:36] TD: yes, see ./configure --help [03:36] thanks I'll have a look now [03:37] xfrye (~xfrye@202.147.20.45) left irc: "Leaving" [03:37] Elops (~hsts@194.126.143.172) joined #linuxhelp. [03:38] thought so [03:38] sorry, i was having a brainfart [03:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:41] Action: Triskelios reconsiders donating to TD's beer fund^W^W^Wcodeweavers =P [03:41] GG_Allin (~snozzy@CPE0050ba3f56cf-CM000f9f7f15cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: ""To fill a world with ... religions of the Abrahamic kind, is like littering the streets with loaded guns. Do not be surprised" [03:41] Airwulf (~Airwulf@lbst-rn-1.lbst.et.Fh-Osnabrueck.DE) left irc: "Leaving" [03:42] :) [03:42] i'm actualling working on autopackage stuff at the moment [03:43] getting the inkscape nightlies back online [03:43] heh [03:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:46] Tcl error in script for 'timer1990977': [03:46] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [03:47] jesava (z@c-cdb470d5.012-16-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [03:47] ugh.. could someone help me with unrar? i can not get it to unpack the files to a different path/device [03:47] WcktKlwn (WcktKlwn@Signed.A.Petition.To.StopAOL.Com) joined #linuxhelp. [03:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:50] jesava: hmm, if you run unrar in the directory you want the files to go into it doesn't work? [03:51] hmm. did not try that :) [03:52] it worked..thanks [03:52] jesava (z@c-cdb470d5.012-16-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left #linuxhelp. [03:54] sonix1 (~Ark@203.58.215.44) left #linuxhelp. [03:54] sonix1 (~Ark@203.58.215.44) joined #linuxhelp. [03:54] vogue (~vogue@66.169.14.249) joined #linuxhelp. [03:54] is it possible to get apache to drop all privileges? [03:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/13 e/- I/-] [03:55] well, by definition it can't do that, otherwise how would it open files and such? [03:55] you can sandbox it pretty well though [03:56] i see [03:56] thanks :) [03:56] vogue (~vogue@66.169.14.249) left irc: Client Quit [03:56] DragonSpirit (~Deano@dragonspirit.registered) left #linuxhelp ("Channel terminated!"). [04:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [04:00] Writing user file... [04:00] Writing channel file... [04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... 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[04:39] Jazza (Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-] [04:53] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [04:53] Hi.. Any tips on how to convert animated gif to mpeg? [04:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-] [04:58] Nate_Grey (~byte@pcp319163pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:59] knoppix_ (~knoppix@pcp04368051pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:59] Nick change: knoppix_ -> Roeyyy [04:59] hello all [05:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-] [05:00] Writing user file... [05:00] Writing channel file... [05:00] Upon booting, the system complains with "unable to open an initial console. Try passing init= to kernel" [05:00] what's going on here? [05:00] This did not happen before.. is this an issue of an incorrect application of LILO ? [05:00] Seems that the kernel can't figure out what to do after loading itself [05:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [05:01] Might be [05:01] Did you apply lilo recently? ;) [05:01] hmm [05:01] well [05:01] only added the Debian stock kernel. [05:01] and *That* had an init= clause in its stanza [05:02] but the other stanzas don't have an init= [05:02] er.. initrd... or something. [05:02] (I'm assuming init= is for specifying the location of init.rd's) [05:02] StevenR (~sr@jtrobsonsys.demon.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving now" [05:03] init is the path of the "init" program, which always has PID 1 [05:03] ahh. [05:04] it's normally /sbin/init [05:04] got it. [05:04] thanks [05:04] but I think that this error will persist even if I give the path. [05:04] Nate_Grey (~byte@pcp319163pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:04] I think that's a default coded into the kernel, you use init= to specify something different, say in t3he case of install kernels I think [05:04] because above the error it says "Unable to open an initial console" [05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-] [05:05] and both kernels 2.4.x and 2.6.x give this error. [05:06] opqdonut (~opqdonut@ip217-64-180-12.adsl.academica.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [05:07] "init" is the program kernel is supposed to execute after loading itself [05:07] /etc/inittab and that [05:07] right [05:08] could it be because I hooked up a disk containing a boot block to the system? [05:08] Now.. Can you still boot using another kernel? [05:09] I imagine your root filesystem is wrong [05:09] *no* that's the thing... I get the smae thing with all my kernels (except for the debian stock kernel, which has its own problems) [05:09] it's succesfully mounted a filesystem, but that FS does not contain sbin/init [05:09] Norky, it is software raided (raid 1) [05:09] Might be that too. I'd worry about the new HD being "before" the old one (in master-slave, or pri/sec IDE), but I'm not certain [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/13 e/- I/-] [05:10] aldaron: just what I was thinking :) [05:10] I'll disconnect the hd then. [05:10] Norky: Also, if he defined init=/boot/initrd.img or something in lilo, that might fuck things up ;) [05:10] Roeyyy: worth trying I think [05:10] but it has a different boot block than the others (it's a backup I made a month ago) [05:10] ok. [05:11] if the kernel is mounting /dev/hda5 or similar as /, and the new disk has become /dev/hda, displacing the old one... [05:11] Norky, the system is supposed to boot off of /dev/md5 (which is /dev/hd{e,g}5 ) [05:11] Triskelios (~aroha_e@2001:470:1f00:159:0:ca7:f00d:3331) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:12] Triskelios (~aroha_e@kohatu.meat-pie.ono.quasarnet.org) joined #linuxhelp. [05:12] at any rate, thanks ;) [05:12] in the case of booting from a md, you will be using an initrd I think [05:13] not here ;) [05:13] hmm [05:13] not sure actually [05:13] err, that's something you need to be sure about... :) [05:13] I don't have an initrd clause in the lilo.conf stanzas [05:14] alright let me disconnect y reboot ;) [05:14] thanks guys [05:14] Roeyyy (~knoppix@pcp04368051pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-] [05:16] daniel (daniel@daniel.cloaked) joined #linuxhelp. [05:17] Roey (~katz@pcp04368051pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:17] well well [05:18] whaddyaknow [05:18] I disconnected the drive and everything works now. [05:18] I don't understand this. [05:18] Roey: Jumpers are wrong? [05:19] how so [05:19] Are the drives in same IDE wire? [05:19] aldaron: when I connect the drive, it becomes /dev/hda [05:19] Apparently, it shouldn't :P [05:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [05:20] hmm [05:20] in lilo I only ever specify boot/root devices as md [05:20] NOT /dev/hd{e,g} [05:20] blkdg (1000@CPE0080c6ea8139-CM014510002488.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:20] so it could be that.. it's trying to load /dev/hda, you think? [05:20] hi, does the mozilla calendar print ? [05:20] er [05:20] that it's trying to mount a filesystem on /dev/hda [05:21] when i select print in the mozilla calander, all i get is a print preview screen with a close button.... [05:21] aldaron: lemme just delete the new disk's partition table... [05:21] is there a simple app for making a calandar on a grid ? [05:21] hmm. [05:21] not gal or cal... [05:24] Roey (~katz@pcp04368051pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [05:25] ealm (~ealm@as6-5-4.k.s.bonet.se) joined #linuxhelp. [05:25] are there no better drivers for 3D with Radeon 7500M, than DRI??? I get totally unaccpetable performance ;( [05:26] ealm: You need a newer ATI (supported by ATI's drivers) or an nvidia card to get decent 3D-performance. [05:27] I get ALOT better performance in Windows [05:27] and I'm on a laptop so I can't change video card [05:27] ealm: tought luck. blame ATI [05:27] or develop the DRI drivers :-) [05:28] I wonder if ATI's drivers don't work with 7500? :P [05:28] You might try DLing drivers from ati website [05:28] well... I'll blame Linux since you guys told me my hardware would be well supported but it isn't... this video card thing forces me back to windows, since I'd like to game some [05:28] aldaron: no they don't... [05:29] Hmh. Tough luck. And it's M, mobile, laptop, right? [05:29] the games I like work in Linux, some natively and some through WineX - but the performance is simply FAR too bad to make them playable [05:29] yeah [05:29] ealm: as far as I understand it, ATI has choosen to not make decent linux drivers and also it has not choosen to give some needed specs or to give any help for the OS community by going open source with the current drivers [05:29] I'm lucky to have radeon 9600pro in my laptop, works all well in linux :) [05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-] [05:30] Hm. in ATI's pages thay claim to be helping OS driver teams, but that might be a recent turn [05:30] Nvidia cards have good drivers from the newest 6800 ultra to the lowliest riva TNT [05:31] Fisu: I don't care for that, had I known I wouldn't have bothered Linux but you Linux community guys told me I would be ok, and that Linux was ready for desktop use... and sure the functionality is there, but when I can't run it on the biggest or second biggest graphics brand then I can hardly see how this system is ready [05:31] But nvidia cards I hear are noisy and hot :P [05:31] daniel_ (daniel@daniel.cloaked) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] ealm, I'd think 7500M is a rather unusual bit of hw from that brand. I don't know why ATI never bothered making their linux drivers work with that particular thing. [05:34] If I recall correctly, ATI chose to not make their drivers work with anything older that radeon 8500 [05:34] Nosf3ratu (~zrizer@adsl-65-42-48-86.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-] [05:35] It also seems that hobby hackers don't have this particular hw (if no drivers for that there).. [05:35] that includes my radeon 7200 card. The HW acceleration works with OS drivers, but it lacks some functionality and speed [05:36] aldaron: afaik only 8500+ cards are supported by ATI and my card isn't unusual, it was the most common card to be shipped with dell laptops 2 years ago and dell is the largest PC re-seller [05:38] Tcl error in script for 'timer1992881': [05:38] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [05:38] Roey (~katz@pcp04368051pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[06:04] does alsa and oss have somtihng to do with my system bell (wich ins't working anymore ;( ) [06:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:06] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.92.211) joined #linuxhelp. [06:06] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.92.211) left #linuxhelp. [06:07] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.92.211) joined #linuxhelp. [06:07] zoyd_ (~zoyd@220.224.18.82) joined #linuxhelp. [06:07] hello [06:07] I got a USB flash MP3 recorder stick here, I found that it records files in .act extension, anyone knows what runs them ? [06:09] zoyd_ (~zoyd@220.224.18.82) left #linuxhelp. [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:14] google .act [06:14] act: http://www.act.org/ [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:15] anant, no go, i guess [06:16] no go? [06:17] anant, no hits from netsearch [06:17] yup [06:17] must be some proprietry format [06:17] who makes the flash card? [06:17] stdout (~stderr@BSN-95-241-160.dsl.siol.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:17] yea, go to flash card makers web page [06:17] linuxfreck you around? [06:18] anant, name, size, price for flash card? [06:18] dunno who made it [06:18] it is from china [06:18] very cheap [06:18] hehe [06:19] did you try to mkfs on the flash under linux? [06:19] nope [06:19] I'm just trying to read it [06:19] Vimes (~Vimes@myw-stp-66-18-82-217.sentechsa.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:19] I looked at dmesg output [06:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:20] it cannot detect the vendor nor Model of that flash [06:20] anant, should be some info in /proc too [06:22] k [06:22] thx [06:22] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.92.211) left irc: "leaving" [06:24] fuque: sorry I was afk [06:24] j3g (~j3g@200.214.191.2) joined #linuxhelp. [06:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:25] what are the pre-requisites for a wireless network to be secure (or fairly secure at least)? wap? wpa? wep 256bit? [06:25] j3g: to be really secure, you should have a vpn with ipsec [06:26] but any aps have that built in or i will have to prepare a server inside the network? [06:26] aps = APs [06:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [06:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:30] Jazza (Jazza@c158.74.135.144.satellite.bigpond.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:32] blkdg (1000@CPE0080c6ea8139-CM014510002488.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:33] hello, how can i use 'CUT' to remove the first line of a text file ? is there another command i should be looking for? my text file isn't delimited. [06:33] zigi (~zigi@211.62.157.157) joined #linuxhelp. [06:34] blkdg: sed would do it, print all lines but not the first [06:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:36] ledestin im trying to get cal to format its output into a html table. so far i have cal > foo | cut... i want to cut the title of the cal off so that i can format the dates. [06:36] how do I mark a binary as suid root? [06:36] so could i use tail then ledestin ? i don't know sed [06:37] why cal > foo? you redirect to a file and then pipe it. [06:38] blkdg: perhaps tail would do [06:38] i started with redirection to see if i was actually getting a text file ! [06:39] then you shouldn't get anything on cut input [06:39] whatever i learnt about bash dissapered after 2001 [06:39] :) [06:39] blueskies (~none@65.242.87.139) joined #linuxhelp. [06:39] rp_ (rp@203.187.209.12) joined #linuxhelp. [06:39] Hi all [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:40] k [06:40] Anyone using kernel 2.6 and allwoing clients to connect to VPN ? [06:40] chmod +s doesn't seem to do it [06:40] or at least getuid still says 500, not 0 [06:41] if i create a user on my server but do not create a home directory, they can still use email . Will the quota still work properyly ? [06:41] blkdg: to use tail you have to know how many lines are there [06:41] blkdg: so sed is simpler [06:42] perhaps, i don't know sed though. [06:42] ealm (~ealm@as6-5-4.k.s.bonet.se) left irc: "Client exiting" [06:42] blkdg sed '1d' cal > foo [06:42] blkdg: everyone has such moments in life. I would tell you right off the bat if I recalled it [06:43] Stik (1000@ip68-96-1-107.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:43] ok, this works no problem ledestin you're help is very much appriciated [06:43] thanks newbien [06:43] np [06:43] norton (~nik@h223n1fls306o1124.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:44] Elopa (~hsts@194.126.143.53) joined #linuxhelp. [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:45] tyhis is pissing me off, i cant get themes to work on gnome [06:45] i already had it that way, Elopa. [06:45] cal > foo | tail --lines 6 works, but it will not write to the file foo if i follow it with > foo [06:45] mx (~fuque@host81-137-63-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:45] fuque (~fuque@host81-137-63-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:45] cal > foo | tail --lines 6 > baa leaves baa as an empty file [06:45] Nick change: mx -> fuque [06:46] newbien your solution isn't working because sed isn't finding cal [06:47] fuque (~fuque@host81-137-63-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Client Quit [06:47] maybe cal > foo | sed '1d' [06:47] ? [06:47] don't know, never used sed [06:47] TD (~mike@foghorn.codeweavers.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [06:48] reread what I wrote about redirects [06:48] ok [06:48] blueskies (~none@65.242.87.139) left #linuxhelp. [06:49] EL (~SERGIO_TK@42-169-163.adsl.cust.tie.cl) joined #linuxhelp. [06:49] blkdg: btw, a weird solution is: DUMMY=`cat file | wc -l` && tail -n `expr $DUMMY - 1` file [06:49] ahh i see now ledestin ! [06:49] yeah, it's nonelegant :) [06:49] EL (~SERGIO_TK@42-169-163.adsl.cust.tie.cl) left #linuxhelp. [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:50] cal | tail --lines 6 > baa right ledestin ?? [06:50] that works! [06:50] if 6 lines is a constant, then you're set [06:51] Action: ledestin drinks 5'th round of oolong tea [06:51] StevenR (~sr@jtrobsonsys.demon.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [06:51] fntc ok, i don't understand though... [06:52] i should run cal for the year to see if 6 lines is constant. [06:52] intrr (irc@82.139.254.193) joined #linuxhelp. [06:52] blkdg: what don't you understand? [06:52] no [06:52] it should be constant, I think. [06:52] blkdg: DUMMY is the number of lines in your file [06:53] theres a problem with months like may 2004 ledestin (arrr) [06:53] hi! never messed with iptables, can someone give me a hint how to add a rule (it's now totally open) that blocks all traffic destined to a certain udp/tcp port EXCEPT from/to a single foreign IP? [06:53] too long [06:53] blkdg: then use sed solution you were told [06:53] fntc your solution. [06:53] crocco (~crocco@19-192.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net) left irc: "brb .. reboot" [06:53] blkdb: hm, it's not that complicated .. it's just dumb :) [06:53] Poeir_ (~poeir@di121.opencominc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:53] fntc exactly [06:54] fntc me that is, not your script [06:54] :) [06:54] dark__ (~dark@81.196.105.226) left irc: Connection timed out [06:54] blkdg: no the script is :) [06:54] intrr: ask a specific question please [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/13 e/- I/-] [06:55] ledestin: how can i block all traffic to and from tcp AND udp port 1234, except if it comes from/is destined for 1.2.3.4, which is non-local? [06:55] blkdg: btw, here is another weird solution: cat file | perl -ne 'if(!$x){$x=1}else{print}' [06:55] intrr: iptables is, uh, FIFO, the first rule that ACCEPTs ends processing [06:56] ledestin: ok, so i need a rule that uh, denies :) [06:56] so you put your IP rule first, and after that puts DENY [06:56] crocco (~crocco@19-192.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:56] that is, I don't recall exact syntax [06:56] Poeir (~poeir@di121.opencominc.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:56] but that counts as a hint :) [06:57] yeah. generally, i guess it's like this: i want all traffic from and to that specific non-local IP to be allowed, and traffic to port 1234 generally blocked :) [06:57] blkdg: or even shorter: cat file | perl -ne 'if(!$x){print;$x=1}' [06:58] blkdg: ok, that suffices :) [06:58] what is a .cue file??? [06:58] Elopa: a cue file? generally, that has to do with CD writing. it is something like a directory of contents. [06:58] intrr: are you matching on INPUT or FORWARD [06:58] fntc: i have no idea :) [06:58] definitely not on forward, i guess :) [06:58] intrr: btw, there is #iptables / #netfilter [06:58] intrr: are you routing packets? [06:59] fntc: no, it's just a server, so i guess INPUT is fine. i'm nfs-exporting some dirs to another server over the internet, and i know it's kinda insecure to have nfs open to the internet, so i want to block all nfs-specific traffic EXCEPT to that one host. [06:59] to/from [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/13 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:00] intrr: usually you reject/drop all traffic and say what should be allowed [07:00] intrr: so your policy should be drop [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:01] fntc: yes, i can do that some day when i have the time. but for now, i need a simple rule for this specific case... [07:01] if you were so kind! :) [07:02] intrr: iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j ACCEPT [07:02] intrr: iptables -A INPUT -d 1.2.3.4 -j ACCEPT [07:02] fntc: nice, thanks! looks similar to ipchains. [07:02] actually, erm, it is the same! [07:02] heck :) [07:02] intrr: not yet finifshed [07:02] well, now the blocking rules! :) [07:02] suifur_ (~suifur@suifur.registered) joined #linuxhelp. [07:03] Tcl error in script for 'timer1995542': [07:03] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [07:03] port 111, 2049 looks like NFS [07:03] both tcp and udp [07:03] so those would need to be blocked thereafter [07:03] 'lo intrr ;) [07:03] esac (~esac@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:03] hi spike :) [07:03] I always recomend to check netfilter.org docs before playing with iptables, specially in a server, and even more if you're going to set your policy to drop... wich will block everything but what you tell it to allow, but here's a hint, you can use "-d !ip.add.re.ss -j DROP", that will drop to everywhere but that IP... [07:03] intrr: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 111 -j DROP [07:03] intrr: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 2049 -j DROP [07:03] fntc: and the same for -p udp, thanks! [07:03] intrr: same for udp [07:03] well, after all, it's similar to ipchains. :) [07:03] suifur (~suifur@suifur.registered) left irc: Connection timed out [07:04] intrr: but i aggree with Mxyzpltk [07:04] intrr: it [07:04] intrr: it's really simple but you have to read some of the concepts [07:04] fntc: yes, i actually have such a setup on a different server, but that's 2.2 still with ipchains [07:04] dimmik (~dimmik@ip-92-239.first.gr) left #linuxhelp. [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-] [07:05] fntc: then you just have to look at how connection tracking works and the packet flow is different [07:05] intrr: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ [07:06] fntc: thanks [07:07] intrr: np [07:07] intrr: and www.docum.org for the kernel packet travel diagram "KPTD" so you can understand what table and what chain will match your packets better [07:07] fntc (~fntc@p508AF389.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [07:08] generally, i wonder if it's advisable to do what i do. basically, i have several http servers, one for development, one for actual production sites. and i frequently want to copy files from one to the other, and rsync/scp are not exactly great for that. no tab completion, etc. [07:08] so i'm exporting the www directory with rw to a single host (the development web server) by IP. [07:08] is that terribly insecure or OK? [07:08] (over the internet) [07:09] yes it is... [07:09] looks like a cron job [07:09] any sniffer in the path will be able to read all files transfered.... [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [07:10] Mxyzpltk: that's not terribly bad [07:10] heh [07:11] Mxyzpltk: remember it's www stuff :) [07:11] no need to sniff to see it :) [07:11] su-|lappy (root@pcp03415506pcs.kilng01.ct.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:11] intrr: if you really want to do it, you should set up a vpn tunnel between the two... [07:11] Mxyzpltk: is there a 'simple' alternative to nfs that can remote-mount filesystems encrypted? [07:11] (without a vpn tunnel) [07:12] intrr: unless you have password files to access them, anyway, man in the middle attacks are also posible if someone really wanted to deface your site [07:12] su-|lappy (root@pcp03415506pcs.kilng01.ct.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:12] Mxyzpltk: heh. if that happens, i'll restore from a backup ;-) [07:13] intrr: no, but there are methods to transfer the files secure, you already mentioned one... if you really don't care about security then just go ahead and do it your way... [07:13] there was some "mount thru ssh" thing, but I don't see why scp/rsync is bad [07:14] ledestin: it doesn't have tab completion, for one. [07:14] ok, so because the line lenght of the file varies depending on the given month, if i do cal > foo | sed 1d foo i'll get the month without loosing any of the weeks (like may 2004) so, i dug out my old 'a practical guide to linux' and looked up sed to figure out how to write this file that i made, and the option is w. so cal > foo | sed 1d foo w foo dosn't work [07:14] su-|lappy (root@pcp03415506pcs.kilng01.ct.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:14] sed: can't read w: No such file or directory [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-] [07:15] ok, i see [07:15] cal | sed 1d foo > baa [07:15] that works. [07:16] is there a way to tell sed to first cut and then write the file without using redirection like i an doing ? dose it matter ? [07:16] Elopa (~hsts@194.126.143.53) left #linuxhelp. [07:16] intrr: yes, tab completition is a good enough reason to sacrifice security... :) [07:17] torf (~torf@p5091B9A4.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [07:17] cal | sed 1d > baa i mean. [07:17] torf (~torf@p5091B9A4.dip.t-dialin.net) returned to #linuxhelp. [07:17] blkdg cal |sed '1d' > foo this works [07:17] Mxyzpltk: thank you for being with me :-) [07:17] ok. [07:18] actually, workflow and efficiency goes over a lot of things for me :) [07:18] now i have to get this text into a table. [07:18] this adventure is sounding like a programming asignemtn. [07:18] intrr: why does it even need tab completion? [07:18] heheh [07:19] ledestin: why one needs tab completion? [07:19] ask the developers of bash! [07:19] ;) [07:19] so you can spend time fixing your deface.... thats a good way to spend it... anyway, it looks like a small site that no one will care to deface... so I'll go on my buisness... [07:19] blkdg txt/html file? [07:19] intrr: when you work interactively you may need one [07:19] right newbien, i'm using cal | sed 1d > baa [07:19] why don't you have a cron job updating web site? [07:19] newbien yes txt to html [07:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [07:21] blkdg cal |sed '1d' > foo.html makes a html file your browser can read [07:21] ledestin: because some sites are complex and some files are different on the development server and the real server. file paths, etc. so i can't/don't want to use an automatic system like rsync [07:21] and we live in the 21st century! i can expect to see remote filesystems locally! ;) [07:23] doing that interactively is defying the purpose of automatisation [07:23] RiotGeek (~brad@adsl-69-108-43-102.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:23] rp_ (rp@203.187.209.12) left irc: "leaving" [07:24] Does anyone know if it's part of the imap standard to not let root imap mail or is it just most daemons that don't allow it? [07:24] blkdg: cal | awk 'NR>1{print $0}' from there you can play, every field is called $1..$n and you can put any text you want between them with "" like print "favorit html tag "$1"favorit html closing tag" [07:24] irvke (~irvken@ip03.eastoncomm.adsl.gxn.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/13 e/- I/-] [07:25] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp02481156pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:26] dripOl (~dripOl@81.13.156.68) joined #linuxhelp. [07:28] intrr (irc@82.139.254.193) left irc: "leaving" [07:29] ledestin (ledestin@217.107.192.46) left irc: "Client exiting" [07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [07:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/13 e/- I/-] [07:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:35] bd_u (~bd_u@24.a.002.ham.iprimus.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [07:35] zomtec (1000@pD9EAA187.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:36] thanks Mxyzpltk [07:36] blkdg cal |sed '1d' > foo; sed 's/^/
  • /' foo |sed 's/$/<\/a>/' > foo.html makes a foo.html from cal [07:36] i think that will be handy [07:37] ok newbien i'll try that too [07:37] bsims (bsims@12-221-57-64.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:38] Mxyzpltk didnt see your script, repost it? [07:38] oh i see newbien , you turned it into a list. [07:38] cool [07:38] If I want to burn a DVD with mondorescue do I use the same commands as for CDR? the docs didn't make it real clear [07:38] blkdg just for fun ;) [07:39] i think that Mxyzpltk soltion will allow me to use and [07:39] hmm [07:39] blkdg yea, tables are cool too [07:39] cal | awk 'NR>1{print """"$1""$2""$3""}' and so on... [07:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-] [07:40] actually add | head -n -1 so you can remove the empty line cal adds also... [07:40] bsims (bsims@12-221-57-64.client.insightBB.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:40] with the correct and
    added before and after... [07:41] Mxyzpltk yea, cool idea [07:42] i think that newbien solution is good. i kinda had a feeling that 
     would do the same thing.
[07:43]  but i'm not sure if 
     works 100% of the time
[07:43]  yeap 
     should work... and I'm sure there are perl, php, js or whatever modules that will give you html calendars also...
[07:44]  can you believe that i am doing this so that i can have a simple claendar that i can stick to the fridge?
[07:44]  hahah
[07:44]  mozilla calendar works, but i cant print it
[07:44]  it'll work on most browsers, but probably not all... I'm sure you can do the same with perl instead of awk in a better way... but I'm not a programmer, just learn some basic awk for netadmin scripts
[07:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/13 e/- I/-]
[07:45]  actually if you are running mozilla, check out the calendar feature, and then hit print and check out the print preview. that's what i am aiming for.
[07:45]  blkdg: start openoffice then :) but it'll take the fun out of it...
[07:45]  a grid with calendar dates.
[07:46]  what do you mean?
[07:46]  open office has a calendar.
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[07:46]  oh you got to be kidding.
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[07:47]  Mxyzpltk what did you mean by start open office??
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[07:51]  blkdg: it should have a way to build calendars... I'm guessing, but it should be there
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[07:56]  since when was mplayer no longer downloadable through apt?
[07:56]  blkdg: if it doesn't maybe a project manager like kproject will help... but the way you started is the fun way...
[07:58]  there's no way that i can see to build a calendar except for cutting and pasting cal to a document and building a table around it .
[07:58]  which works
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[08:00] Writing user file...
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[08:00]  blkdg: you can search for calendar apps in freshmeat, for example if you have java you can use http://javaboutique.internet.com/SonaliCalendar/ to make yourself a calendar with a nice picture of tux as the background...
[08:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
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[08:02]  actually i found a java aclendar called borg at fresthmeat a few months ago.
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[08:02]  it worked well
[08:03]  i went to fm before i came here to check on my options
[08:03]  i figured how hard could this be.
[08:03]  :)
[08:03]  it's a fun thing to do, go ahead and build your own...
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[08:04]  anybody here with clues about mailman and python? no luck in #python, even less in #mailman
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[08:09]  spike, whatcha doin with them?
[08:09]  Hello!i need a program to get rid of spyware in linux
[08:09]  rogk, rkhunter at freshmeat.net
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[08:09]  lo all :)
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[08:10]  I'm wondering if there is anyway to boost the volumn. I'm using my onboard sound and it seems quieter than it should.
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[08:10]  newbien> Thank's a lot
[08:10]  thanks again.
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[08:11]  rogk, have fun ;)
[08:11]  Robbste1 mixer at max vol and pcm ?
[08:11]  you too :)
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[08:12]  k
[08:12]  newbien: yeah, well, almost at max there is quite a a bit of distortion. Alsamix has mixer at max and pcm at 97%
[08:13]  I get more vol out of the output on my cdrom :)
[08:13]  robb, tweak the vol and pcm to limit distortion but to maximize vol
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[08:14]  It is still way lower than it should be. I wonder if it has anything to do with the multichannel output on the m/board.
[08:14]  I'm on;ly using my headphones here at the office.
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[08:15]  ok, mite try #alsa for some hints
[08:15]  let me know
[08:15]  thx. heading on over there :)
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[08:16]  np
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[08:16]  hello gentlemen
[08:16]  are there any known, dependable NTP servers that offer encrypted NTP?
[08:18]  ntp asin time?
[08:18]  ya
[08:18]  why do you need encrypted time?
[08:18]  yeah I want to securely set up a time server inside our company and I want to sync it with
[08:18]  oh
[08:18]  you mean, at all?
[08:19]  it's insecure otherwise.
[08:19]  uhmm, this is funny
[08:19]  i dont understand why you would need to encrypt the connection.
[08:19]  somebody may change his clock! ohh no!
[08:19]  If you're trying to sync with a public time server over the Internet, then you run a risk of having someone intercepting your request and handing you back a bogus time.
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[08:20]  Roey : that's the last thing i'd ever worry about
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[08:20]  ananke:   considering that syslogs report the time, ensuring the integrity of the localtime is very important.
[08:20]  there are hundreds of more important things in network security than whether or not the time is right
[08:20]  StevenR:   and this is one of them.
[08:20]  now
[08:20]  I asked a question
[08:21]  hello. Anyone know what could I do to have kudzu not mess with fstab? (redhat)
[08:21]  Roey : the logs are logged sequentially anyway.
[08:21]  anyone know of reliable, secure NTP servers that offer encrypted NTP?
[08:21]  try google
[08:21]  I tried.
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[08:22]  if google doesn't know, it doesn't exist
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[08:22]  hehe
[08:22]  go to ntp.org, see that it does indeed exist.
[08:22]  seriously, waste your time on something more productive
[08:23]  Roey : so why don't you ask ntp.org for info on that?
[08:23]  ananke:  well, I came here first because it's normally faster ;)
[08:24]  the amount of effort somebody would have to take to affect your ntp traffic is pointless
[08:24]  hi all ...
[08:24]  ?
[08:24]  ananke:   that's what they said about buffer overflow exploits.
[08:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/13 e/- I/-]
[08:25]  Roey : who said that?
[08:25]  ananke:   it's been known.
[08:25]  i am having a bit of trouble with my thumb drive .. it gets detected and all .. but i don't have a device for it ..
[08:25]  really? then i'm sure you can provide an example
[08:25]  well at least none that i can mount
[08:25]  ananke:   why are you arguing?
[08:25]  besides, a better way would be to have two time servers
[08:25]  Roey : why are you arguing? encrypted ntp is pointless
[08:26]  ananke:   tell that to the NTP maintainers ;)
[08:26]  http://www.pastebin.com/93921
[08:26]  Roey : they're not here bugging people about it
[08:26]  http://www.pastebin.com/93904
[08:26]  those are the relevant messages for my case ..
[08:27]  crocco: /dev/sda or /dev/sda1?
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[08:27]  StevenR: yeah .. tried that .. but i get an err
[08:27]  crocco : fdisk -l /dev/sda
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[08:27]  any particular error?
[08:28]  mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[08:28]         or too many mounted file systems
[08:28]  whats the diffrence between usbdevfs and usbfs ?
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[08:28]  ananke: none
[08:28]  crocco : no output whatsoever?
[08:28]  ananke: nope
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[08:29]  crocco : and you have usb-storage driver loaded?
[08:29]  yah
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[08:29]  odd, anyway, i gots to run now
[08:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[08:30]  http://www.pastebin.com/93922
[08:31]  well .. the only difference between now and th last time i got it to work is that i am running  2.4.26 .. and back then i was running some 2.6
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[08:44]  anyone ?
[08:44]  anyone is an university student
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[08:47]  crocco think its a fs or kernel problem?
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[08:48]  hmmmz ... newbien well i think it cannot be a fs prob .. as the partition that can be mounted is vfat by default ..
[08:48]  crocco did you create a fs when the flash mounted with the 2.6 kernel?
[08:48]  and euuh .. a kernel prob .. yeah .. might be... as 2.6 has a better support for this kind of stuff ..
[08:49]  newbien: it's not a flash card .. it's a thumb drive .. an usb stick
[08:49]  crocco k, so you only read the usb stick
[08:49]  and with 2.6 i just pugged it in (after compiling a kernel with support) and then mounted it
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[08:50]  crocco is the kernel the suspect then?
[08:50]  5
[08:50]  heh
[08:50]  wait
[08:50]  i just found out one more difference
[08:50]  i didn't have hotplug
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[08:51]  gimme a sec .. installing it right now
[08:53]  another question
[08:54]  about NTP:  I run ntpd on one computer, and from another computer run ntpdate , and get this message:  ntpdate[21783]: no server suitable for synchronization found.
[08:54]  why is this?
[08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/13 e/- I/-]
[08:55]  Aug 20 17:58:23 doos kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:1d.0-1, assigned address 4
[08:55]  Aug 20 17:58:27 doos usb.agent[1862]:      usb-storage: loaded successfully
[08:55]  hmmz
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[08:55]  but still .. mount is NO-GO
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[08:56]  crocco is the kernel the only suspect then?
[08:56]  are there any mice that work exceptionally well under linux?
[08:56]  *mouses
[08:56]  i'm looking to buy a new mouse
[08:57] Tcl error in script for 'timer1998145':
[08:57] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
[08:57]  ah
[08:57]  well! logitech mx700 is the cadillac of mouses :)
[08:57]  it feels great.
[08:57]  oh really?
[08:57]  mouses?
[08:57]  how much does it cost though?
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[08:57]  newbien: yeah .. think so ..
[08:58]  Roey: don't cordless mouses have slower response?
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[09:00] Action: dabicho didn't know that computer's mouse plural is mouses
[09:00]  iratsu:   not that I have seen
[09:00]  dabicho:   because it's not a mouse-mouse
[09:00]  oh
[09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
[09:01]  dabicho:  the plural of mouse for computer was never given as 'mice' (just as latin didn't give 'virii' as a plural for 'virus')
[09:02]  I always thought virus had not plural, like sugar or salt. but I can of course be wrong.
[09:02]  crocco think your right
[09:02]  what about trackball mouses? or ball mouses?
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[09:09]  lo guys
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[09:12]  hej
[09:12]  how in exim in virtual accounts run an external program like " send sms" while mail is delivered ?
[09:12]  i know how to do that in normal users , just add .procmailrc file , but in this case is a problem for me
[09:13]  Roey: you're completely wrong.  plural for mouse is mice.  and plural for virus is viruses by the way.
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[09:14]  Codename_V:   I didn't say that plural for virus is not viruses.
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[09:14]  I think that was directed for me
[09:14]  Codename_V:   I said that Latin did not provide 'virii' as a plural for virus.
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[09:15]  Roey: sure, I just threw that in there in case you were wondering
[09:15]  Codename_V:   many people make that mistake, but, hey, that's how languages evolve ;)
[09:15]  aaah ok ;)
[09:15]  Roey: well, yeah, the singular form is not 'virius' :)
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[09:17]  hmm
[09:18]  amphi:   then is platypi the wrong plural for platapus?
[09:18]  er
[09:18]  platapi..
[09:18]  er.
[09:18]  platypus.
[09:18]  I always thought it's 'octopusses, platypusses'
[09:19]  might be pushing it - is the plural of 'coca cola' 'coca colae'? or even 'cocae colae'? :)
[09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-]
[09:20]  octopi is quite normal usage, but I never heard platypi
[09:20]  the singular of 'gloves' should really be 'glovis', though, IMHO
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[09:22]  but english isn't a romance tonge, is it? there is very little latin in common english, or that was the idea I had about english.
[09:22]  tongue
[09:22]  nah, english isn't a romance langauge.  that's like spanish, italian, french I think
[09:22]  there's a lot of latin in english
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[09:23]  dabicho: I read that much of it came in via the .frs after the norman invasion
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[09:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[09:32]  good $time
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[09:40]  Umask, who is good with it, I'm not sure how this bitwise mask is being applied,
[09:40]  what is being masked?
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[09:40]  I presume its AND masking..
[09:40]  ???
[09:40]  anyone?
[09:40]  anyone is an university student
[09:41]  really? that makes me feel better!
[09:41]  and here I thought I wasn't able to afford it
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[09:42]  PodSix (ask me a question)
[09:42]  rue_mohr: sorry...
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[09:44]  How do I copy a vcd to my harddisk? I get that "Input/output error" error-message.
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[09:45]  daniel: use cdrdao
[09:45] Nick change: hackmiker -> VIMACS
[09:45]  linuxfreck: Oh, I thought cdrdao could only rip audio-cds
[09:45] Nick change: VIMACS -> hackmiker
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[09:46]  Oh no, I'm speaking of cdparanoia :)
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[09:46]  i have a very newbie question
[09:46]  anyone awake to help me
[09:47]  i just installed mepis linux and it is at the login screen, what do i type
[09:47]  linuxfreck: Hm how do I do it with cdrdao? ;/
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[09:48]  daniel: e.g. cdrdao read-cd --read-raw --datafile vcd.bin --device 0,1,0 --driver generic-mmc-raw vcd.toc
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[09:48]  linuxfreck: Heh, read-cd gave me "Missing toc-file" and I thought "WTF? It says 'creates toc and reads data', why does it *want* a toc file?"
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[09:50]  linuxfreck: Thanks
[09:50]  mwestd,  it proberly asked for a root and user name/password during install.. t
[09:51]  mwestd,  login *username*   password: password
[09:51]  daniel: np
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[09:53]  newbien: Hello
[09:53]  hi
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[10:00] Writing user file...
[10:00] Writing channel file...
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[10:00]  Acid_Reign hiya
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[10:04]  hey newbien
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[10:05]  got anything new for this modem business? :(
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[10:05]  Hi all
[10:05]  Hi Johan
[10:06]  Acid_Reign maybe, netsearch files and did you run linuxconfig last nite after o installed that rpm file?
[10:07]  ah, no..
[10:07]  linuxconfig?
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[10:09]  newbien, there is a setserial command the mdk 9.1 manual says to use, I wonder if I should try that?
[10:09]  Acid_Reign yea
[10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/13 e/- I/-]
[10:10]  http://doc.mandrakelinux.com/MandrakeLinux/91/en/Quick_Startup.html/install-hardware.html
[10:10]  should I try that?
[10:10]  yea, try setserial and try it, read man for linuxconfig and run it later if dont work
[10:10]  ok
[10:10]  Acid_Reign yep, setserial first
[10:11]  Acid_Reign think you need to reboot after setserial
[10:12]  k
[10:12]  brb
[10:12]  k
[10:13] Acid_Reign (Acid_Reign@mlec-garrison5300-1-172.mlecmn.net) left irc: 
[10:14]  Hmm. Trying to track down a decent 'guide' for  information about all the features of 3d video cards/Effects/hardware/terms. for a total newbie friend.  Cant seem to find any decent sites. want examples of what differet settings do and why and so forth.
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[10:17]  Dr_Willis ooh, bleeding edge, no netsearch hits at all?
[10:17]  newbien,  well the few hits i find are like OLD OLD OLD..
[10:18]  ive seen a few gamer-mags that have decent articals - but cant find the mags now.
[10:18]  found a few video term definition sites.
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[10:18]  Dr_Willis k, use google.com/linux  search and www.ez2www.com  which is a meta search ??
[10:18]  but none like " heres what  2xaa looks like.. vs 8xaa. and so forth.
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[10:19]  either thers tooooo many hits. :P for unrelates stuff or none at all. Lol
[10:19]  try justlinux.com for articles, etc?
[10:19]  perhaps i need better search terms.
[10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/13 e/- I/-]
[10:20]  newbien,  not just linux related.. tracking down some info for some newbie-gamers at work.
[10:20]  they dont even understand what 'anti-aliasing' i
[10:20]  is. - I saw a GREAT artical ages ago in a computer-gamer mag. that used Quake3 - to demonstrate the 3d features/filtering/tricks/tips
[10:20]  i'd try: 3d video linux
[10:21]  it showdd how to false colorize the textures to show how the mipmaping did stuff and so forth.
[10:21]  start broad and then narrow down
[10:21]  could someone tell me how i'd go about retaining the boot logo at the top, and not having it be erased halfway through booting into linux?
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[10:21]  newbien,  right but broad = 10000000 hits.
[10:21]  useing '3d' in any search gives ya 1000000 hits Lol.
[10:21]  all trying to sell stuff
[10:22]  3d guides = game tweaks it seems
[10:22]  anyone knows what format does Nero use to write CDs ?
[10:22]  newbien: cat/proc/pci wouldn't run, setserial wouldn't run. when I was starting up and linux goes through the checks.. the last word of one line was setserial and the results were no such file or directory.
[10:22]  cdfs?
[10:22]  I mean, is it RockRidge or Joliet or Translation table orwhat?
[10:22]  Joliet probably
[10:22]  ic
[10:22]  http://www.tweak3d.net/3ddictionary/  - is neat source.
[10:22]  Joliet supports long (> 8.3) filenames?
[10:23]  I used RockRidge to make a CD using cdrecord
[10:23]  Acid_Reign did you run setserial as root?
[10:23]  newbien yes
[10:23]  when I put it on a windows machine it read files as 8.3 filenames !
[10:23]  is that normal?
[10:23]  hmm
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[10:24]  acid at the console as root type this: type setserial   will tell you where setserial is located
[10:24]  what is the *.tz file ?
[10:24]  ok newbien, brb
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[10:24]  sorry..*.gz
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[10:25]  ic
[10:25]  Imust have done Joliet!
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[10:27]  is there a way that I can find how a CD-R/RW was written?
[10:28] Tcl error in script for 'timer2001634':
[10:28] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
[10:28]  AnAnt__: I am not quite sure (long time ago I burned a cd...) but I can remember it is possbile to use/select more then one type. So you can actually combine. like using joliet and rockridge together or so. man cdrecord or man mkisofs might explain how it works.
[10:28]  Johan: I just checked mkisofs, yes u can combine, thx
[10:28]  good luck ;)
[10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
[10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/13 e/- I/-]
[10:30]  so, is there a way that I can find how a CD-R/RW was written ? I mean, how can I know if joliet/udf/rockridge are used on an already written CD-R/RW?
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[10:30]  newbien: story of my life, didn't work
[10:32]  Acid_Reign k, you tried, dont give up now
[10:32]  not yet
[10:32]  Acid_Reign tell me again exactly what you did before you rebooted your linux box?
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[10:33]  what do you mean?
[10:33]  the test command?
[10:33]  text setserial
[10:33]  maybe i typed it wrong
[10:33]  probably my fault
[10:33] Action: Acid_Reign dolt.
[10:33]  hang on
[10:33]  k
[10:34]  hehe
[10:34]  no biggie
[10:34]  Acid_Reign go to the linux box
[10:34]  iv'e rebooted my computer more times in the past day than I have during its entire life
[10:34]  Acid_Reign as root in a console type this: text setserial
[10:34]  ok
[10:34]  acid wait for results
[10:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/13 e/- I/-]
[10:35]  Acid_Reign then let me know what it said
[10:35]  k, brb
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[10:43]  newbien: [root@localhost root]# text setserial                -bash: text: command not found
[10:44]  Acid_Reign ok, setserial is not on your linux box
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[10:45]  Acid_Reign read this article: http://www.mandrakeusers.org/lofiversion/index.php/t1463.html
[10:45]  newbien: I keep seeing that setserial not found at startup
[10:45]  Acid_Reign wow, thats a problem
[10:46]  Acid_Reign: is it present and you're just not specifying the full path to it?
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[10:46]  Acid_Reign did it have that error msg about setserial not found before you tried to run setserial?
[10:47]  newbien: I can't say for sure.. I didn't notice it, but it still could have been there
[10:47]  amphi help please, i dont know mdk but know alittle about modem setup
[10:47]  I know nothing about mdk :)
[10:48]  amphi i had Acid_Reign type from the command line as root: type setserial  and go no results
[10:48]  Acid_Reign: normall setserial is /bin AFAIK
[10:49]  amphi: I get a /bin/setserial file not found on linux startup going through the checks
[10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/13 e/- I/-]
[10:50]  Acid_Reign: is it there?
[10:50]  I'm not sure
[10:50]  Acid_Reign: FFS, ls /bin/setserial
[10:50]  Acid_Reign: if it's not there, perhaps you should install it
[10:50] Action: Acid_Reign noobed.
[10:51]  just 'ls /bin/setserial' in terminal?
[10:51]  Acid_Reign: you could try locate setserial in case it's somewhere else for some reason
[10:51]  Acid_Reign: yeah
[10:51]  amphi: Ok i'll try that, i'm on dual-boot, so brb
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[10:53]  go to google and type in: bastards   .. then click, Im Feeling Lucky.. haha
[10:53]  amphi think we got Acid_Reign modem setup last nite ok but either setserial is not set to the right tty or he needs to run linuxconfig again
[10:54]  linuxconfig?
[10:54]  rmcc: 'litigious bastards' still pulls SCOG as the first entry?
[10:54]  funny
[10:54] Action: amphi recalls linuxconf with horror
[10:54]  amphi, just guessing about linuxconfig, i dont even know what it does
[10:54]  hehe
[10:54]  newbien: it's a real modem?
[10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/13 e/- I/-]
[10:55]  yea, the modem is a usr 5610 that works ok on slack 9.1
[10:56]  amphi last nite we had acid reign install an rpm file offered by usr for rpm users
[10:56]  it should just work
[10:56]  it's external?
[10:56]  amphi no, internal pci
[10:56]  oh - only internal modem I've had to deal with is my lucent abomination
[10:56]  amphi i had him use kppp for setup and modem querry
[10:57]  it comes up as ttyS3 or something?
[10:57]  urs 5610b works great with slack 9.1, v.92 and fast
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[10:57]  heh
[10:57]  yea, ttyS3 or 4
[10:57]  newbien, amphi: file not found
[10:58]  anyone know off the top of their head how to extract just one file from a tarball?
[10:58]  or if that's even possible?
[10:59]  i'm sure it is
[10:59]  i'm thinking --get
[10:59]  Acid_Reign k
[11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/13 e/- I/-]
[11:00] Writing user file...
[11:00] Writing channel file...
[11:00]  Acid_Reign: locate setserial found anything? why do you need it anyway?
[11:00]  vga305: seems to be the same as -x
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[11:00]  which isn't what I want...
[11:00]  amphi: there was a bit in the mdk manual about setting up a modem using setserial
[11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
[11:01]  w00t! 2.6.8.1 finished compiling!
[11:01]  Acid_Reign: yr modem doesn't work?
[11:01]  Hello
[11:01]  niihau, S-Toned
[11:01]  amphi: nope
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[11:02]  Acid_Reign: is it a real modem or a winmodem?
[11:02]  amphi: it's hard
[11:02] Action: amphi reckons winmodem
[11:02]  ?
[11:02]  nope, it's hardware :) USR 5610 56k
[11:02]  it's a real modem
[11:02]  I'd like to communicate between the computers on the local net. irc would be possible, but, I expect there are other ways to do it.
[11:03]  then it should just work(tm); you know what device it is? ttyS2, ttyS3, or what?
[11:03]  Which are these?
[11:03]  amphi: I'm guessing ttys4, because it's listed as COM3 on windows, but.. I could be wrong
[11:03]  Instant messaging?
[11:04]  com3 would be ttyS2 - unix starts counting from zero :)
[11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/13 e/- I/-]
[11:05]  amphi ah yes, my mistake
[11:05]  added instead of subtracted.
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[11:05]  It would be helpful if the user on one pc could pop up a window on another pc (with permission, of course) to notify something has happend.
[11:05]  Acid_Reign: can you talk to it with minicom? that's alway useful for testing. point minicom at the right device and type 'ATZ'; it should answer 'ok'. Then you should be able to dial with 'ATDT12345678'
[11:06]  after compiling kernel, what do I to install it?
[11:06]  amphi: I haven't used minicom, no
[11:06]  amphi I know that it doesn't respond to query's though.
[11:06]  how?
[11:07] Tcl error in script for 'timer2004422':
[11:07] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
[11:07]  Just like "net send pc1 bla" on another system. But smbclient -M isn't the same. It depends on an open terminal.
[11:07]  amphi: from the 'query modem' button in kppp
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[11:08]  amphi: on various devices it answers either: modem does not respond, or Unable to open modem
[11:08]  Acid_Reign: dunno anything about Kanything - could be permissions, anything
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[11:09]  is there something special that needs to be done to umount USB devices?  Mine hangs when I umount it
[11:09]  Acid_Reign: I'd try and get it going as root with minicom first, and once you've got it to dial, you can attack the rest of the problems :)
[11:09]  amphi: I don't know, but newbien and I have been trying things for two days, and still nothing
[11:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-]
[11:10]  Acid_Reign: it's a pain you can't be online while you fight with it :)
[11:10]  amphi: I'm a windows loser, and don't know how to run linux at all. how do I get to minicom and how do I get it to to dial?
[11:10]  amphi: quite, I have to reboot every other minute :)
[11:10]  Acid_Reign: install it - should be its own package, I imagine
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[11:10]  amphi kppp will work as user, mystery why ;)
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[11:11]  Acid_Reign: then run it as root, and configure it to use ttyS2 and try atz
[11:11]  newbien, amphi: at this point, I'm open to suggestions for other distros
[11:11]  amphi: I don't think I have the know how to do all of that
[11:12]  Acid_Reign: minicom has online help, it's a curses (text mode) gui
[11:12]  Acid_Reign: pretty simple; otherwise you could try wvdial, which is the simplest of all dialup things I've seen
[11:13]  Acid_Reign mandrake is about the easiest and best distro for a newbie
[11:13]  I know I should be reading manuals and learning how to do things myself, but I just wanna get linux online before I start messing around so I don't have to mess with rebooting into windows to get online
[11:13]  Acid_Reign: just run wvdialconf as root and it should work
[11:13]  newbien: What are the odds of mdk 10.1 to recognize my modem?
[11:13]  Acid_Reign: there are various howtos at tldp.org too
[11:13]  Acid_Reign: if it's a real modem, it should be trivial
[11:14]  Acid_Reign: I've used external modems, and you just plug 'em in and off you go; winmodems are a bastard OTOH
[11:14]  but, I have neither. It's a good modem, and it won't work :(
[11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-]
[11:15]  Acid_Reign: how many serial ports does your computer has?
[11:15]  Acid_Reign: install wvdial and have a try with that
[11:15]  mxyzpltk: 5 I believe
[11:15]  Acid_Reign run wvdialconf as root  as amphi advised, it might work if its on your distro
[11:15]  Acid_Reign: really? what Motherboard is it?
[11:16]  what do I do after I start wvdialconf?
[11:16]  Acid_Reign: I'm sure wvdial is on yr cds, if it's not already installed
[11:16]  mxyzpltk: asus a7v333
[11:16]  Acid_Reign: if it finds the modem ok, you should be able to connect with wvdial
[11:16]  Acid_Reign just follow the instructions and stop and ask us if you dont know the answer
[11:16]  ok, I'll try this then
[11:16]  Acid_Reign: if the connection drops almost at once, you may need to add an entry to /etc/ppp/pap-secrets
[11:17]  Acid_Reign: depends on yr isp
[11:17]  amphi ok, we can deal with that, god-forbid I actually connect
[11:17]  amphi his linux box is in another room, i guess
[11:18]  newbien: no, no, I have dual-boot
[11:18]  Acid_Reign ok
[11:18]  Acid_Reign: that MoBo has only two serial ports, windows crap sometimes make virtual com ports for crap that work as serial... try with ttyS0 and ttyS1
[11:18]  Mxyzpltk: we think it's ttyS2 :)
[11:18]  mxyzpltk: hah, I guess I don't know what I'm talking about then.. I thought you were talking about PCI
[11:19]  ok I'll brb
[11:19]  Acid_Reign: also check "dmesg | grep tty" to make sure your kernel has support for your serial ports, you should see something like:
[11:19]  ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[11:19]  ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
[11:19]  I believe I've done that already, I have it printed somewhere
[11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/13 e/- I/-]
[11:20]  ow would I popup a window with important messages on another pc (all linux) on the local network?
[11:20]  nbd then, if you saw the lines it's ok... try to set it up as one or the other...
[11:20] Nick change: Johan -> bakldjfs
[11:20]  Acid_Reign: wvdialconf will try every serial port it can find looking for a modem on it IIRC
[11:21]  amphi: ok, i'm off to try wvdialconf
[11:21]  brb
[11:21]  good luck
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[11:21] Nick change: bakldjfs -> Johan
[11:21]  did I spell that right? (luck)
[11:21]  amphi dunno if wvdial is part of the mdk distro, hope so
[11:22]  newbien: I would imagine they include it, it's the simplest console dialer to get going AFAIK
[11:22]  amphi know any mdk gurus who are on this chan?
[11:23]  newbien: I'm not sure that isn't an oxymoron ;)
[11:23]  amphi, hehe, ok, mdk knowledgeable ppl?
[11:23]  newbien: no idea - #mandrake perhaps? but this doesn't seem to be a mdk specific problem
[11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/13 e/- I/-]
[11:25]  amphi yea, acid went to #mandrake yesterday but no responses
[11:26]  great
[11:26]  amphi does mdk install give you the option of not setting up networks so the modem wont work?
[11:26]  amphi lotsa chan's are just parking lots
[11:27]  newbien: huh? and I know nothing about mdk, never seen it
[11:27]  amphi, me either, never worked with mdk b4
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[11:28]  oh, well, we'll here the new tales of woe soon enough, I assume :)
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[11:29]  hehe, almost there, maybe ;)
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[11:29]  anyone using Eterm?
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[11:37]  heh - any progress?
[11:37]  amphi newbien: I installed wvdialconf, got an installed correctly message, but when I go to run command and try and open wvdialconf, the run command box closes and nothing happens.
[11:38]  Acid_Reign as root?
[11:38]  hmm
[11:38]  how do I get in as root when I'm not in console?
[11:39]  I don't get a password prompt when trying to open wv
[11:39]  Acid_Reign: do all this at a console, and as root
[11:39]  Acid_Reign as root did you type: wvdialconf ??
[11:39]  Acid_Reign: or an xterm
[11:39]  amphi: how do I run wvdialconf in console?
[11:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/13 e/- I/-]
[11:40]  Acid_Reign: alt-ctrl-F1, login as root, and type wvdial
[11:40]  Acid_Reign in an xterm is the same
[11:40]  what is xterm?
[11:40]  Acid_Reign: you get as a normal user and type "su -" it'll ask you for the root password and after that you'll be root
[11:40]  mxyzpltk: I know how to login as root in console
[11:40]  but I don't know how to run a program in console
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[11:41]  Acid_Reign: alt-ctrl-F1 gets you to a console; type root at the login prompt, and then root's passwd
[11:41]  yep, I know how to login as root in a console
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[11:41]  Acid_Reign: or do the su thing in an xterm
[11:41]  but how do I run wdialconf in a program? whats the command?
[11:41]  Acid_Reign: so do that then, and run wvdial
[11:42]  Acid_Reign: you've already run wvdialconf, no?
[11:42]  oh, if I login root in a console, i can go to run command and open wvdialconf from there?
[11:42]  amphi no I haven't yet
[11:42]  Acid_Reign: just login as root, and type wvdialconf
[11:43]  in the console, correct?
[11:43]  Acid_Reign: it works ok, type wvdial and see if you connect ok
[11:43]  ok
[11:43]  brb
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[11:43]  Acid_Reign: yeah, or in an xterm having done the su thing; I think the root console is easier to remember :)
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[11:43]  strewth
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[11:49] Tcl error in script for 'timer2005617':
[11:49] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
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[11:49]  amphi: got 'modem not responding'
[11:49]  heheh - on what tty?
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[11:50]  I don't know, how can I check
[11:50]  Acid_Reign: what device was wvdial talking to? you should have seen when wvdialconf was doing its thing
[11:51]  afraid I don't recall, the only thing was sending D something.. not responding
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[11:52]  Acid_Reign: one thought - you might have a symlink /dev/modem pointing at the wrong serial device; if so, it might be good to delete /dev/modem
[11:53]  how do I do that
[11:53]  Acid_Reign: ls -l /dev/modem will show you what it points to, if it exists
[11:53]  shall I come back with the results?
[11:53]  Acid_Reign: in yr place, I would use minicom to find and test the modem
[11:54]  ok, I'll try minicom
[11:54]  Acid_Reign: no, but some of the output of wvdialconf and wvdial could be useful
[11:54]  ok
[11:54]  I'll try the 3
[11:54]  brg
[11:54]  *brb
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[11:59]  Does anybody know how to stop the Fedora RH-Firewall to stop responding to pings?
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[12:00] Writing user file...
[12:00] Writing channel file...
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[12:01]  does wine emulate windows that well?
[12:01]  w.i.n.e. => wine is not an emulator
[12:02]  Wine Is Not an Emulator
[12:02]  no, it doesn't cos it aint an emulator
[12:02]  elosp: dunno how much of the dread win32 api it implements
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[12:02] Action: StevenR is going to run windows under qemu instead
[12:02]  StevenR... what is it then?
[12:03]  what is what?
[12:03]  wine
[12:03]  winehq.org
[12:03]  www.winehq.org
[12:03]  Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix.
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[12:04] Nick change: piin|zZz -> piin
[12:04]  oh ok
[12:04]  ever used Xandros?
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[12:06]  me? no
[12:06] Action: StevenR has slackware
[12:07]  StevenR:
[12:07]  wine
[12:07]  Emulator of the Windows 3.x and Win32 APIs. Homepage Tar/GZ Changelog Subscribe Ignore Rate   Author: Wine Authors
[12:07]  that's according to freshmeat.net
[12:07]  then it's wrong
[12:07]  elosp: they lie :)
[12:07]  Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix.
[12:07]  that's from the wine homepage
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[12:08]  Wine Is No an Emulator
[12:08]  *Not
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[12:10]  What's the advantage of using "packet writing" with a "UDF" filesystem on a DVD?
[12:10]  amphi: i got nowhere in minicom, wvdial is as follows: sending [some 3 letters] sending [some 3 letters] resending [first 3 letters] Modem does not respond. I couldn't get wvdialconf to run
[12:10]  kingsley: writing as you want, like a harddisk
[12:10]  instead of writing whole disk in one go
[12:11]  Acid_Reign: the 3 letters are ATZ presumably
[12:11]  yes, I think that was it
[12:11]  there were 2 sets of letters
[12:12]  Acid_Reign: to initialise the modem
[12:12]  Acid_Reign: I reckon you have a /dev/modem symlink pointing at /dev/ttyS0 or something
[12:12]  Acid_Reign: what do you mean wvdialconf wouldn't run?
[12:12]  is it installed?
[12:12]  at this point, do you have any suggestions for another distro? is mandrake 10.1 likely to have this problem?
[12:13]  amphi yes
[12:13]  StevenR: Have you actually used a UDF filesystem on a DVD?
[12:13]  amphi it spit something out, but I couldn't go anywhere with it
[12:13]  no, i dont own a dvd writer
[12:13]  Acid_Reign: means what? did it create /etc/wvdial.conf for you?
[12:14]  it said something like I have to make /etc/wvdial.conf.. or something, i'm really not sure
[12:14]  Acid_Reign: the problem is not distro specific AFAICS
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[12:14]  Acid_Reign: *sigh*
[12:14]  I know I should have taken better notes on it..
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[12:15]  Acid_Reign: that's not useful at all; did you read man wvdialconf and man wvdial.conf and man wvdial?
[12:15]  m.
[12:15]  no I haven't
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[12:16]  is there some kind of function to get the ssid on a wireless device?
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[12:16]  Acid_Reign: I'd read man wvdialconf and then try wvdialconf again; if it looks like it succeeds, try wvdial
[12:16]  elosp Xandros is easy to install and use. But they have modified the files so much it has really forked from debian. I would say good for someone who wants an easy install but better to install kanotix or bite the bullet and install debian...
[12:16]  ok
[12:17]  in the mean time, what would your suggestion be for a distro?
[12:17]  ren0: what bullet? :)
[12:17]  Acid_Reign: I use debian
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[12:17]  preferably the most newbie friendly one
[12:17]  as possible
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[12:18]  Acid_Reign: newbie friendly usually means the most painful to fix when something goes wrong AFAICS :)
[12:18]  yeah
[12:18]  Acid_Reign: SuSE is said to be quite good, never seen it myself
[12:18]  If you really want to play with debian. Every second package is now named Xandros-#$%^so you can just apt-get remove them to get a real debian system like you could with Corel.
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[12:19]  but from all the posts i've gathered on people trying my modem on mandrake, they had trouble with it on mandrake but no trouble on other distros
[12:19]  Acid_Reign: ah... if it's a real modem, that's quite cunning of mandrake :)
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[12:19]  It is a real modem
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[12:20]  Acid_Reign: if you're prepared to RTFM, debian is nice IMHO; doesn't hold yr hand much though
[12:20]  amphi after playing around with knoppix for some time I can now get debian installed. My bigggest problem was configuring X.
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[12:20]  RTFM?
[12:20]  Real debian!
[12:20]  ren0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 always works for me
[12:21]  Acid_Reign: read the fscking manual
[12:21]  ah
[12:21]  I don't want to sound completely lazy.. I'm willing to read a lot, but it's sort of a prerequisite that I at least get online before getting into it
[12:21]  Acid_Reign: for a laugh, if you're thinking of abandoning mdk, you could try debtakeover
[12:21]  Nah... I need help. I fscking don't get urxvt or *any* other unicode/utf-8 terminal to work (tried urxvt, uxterm and mlterm)
[12:22]  It just doesn't work and I don't know why... I've set LC_CTYPE to en_US.UTF-8
[12:22]  mlterm *does* show utf-8 characters, but only some. I tried to use the efont font... but didn't help at all. ;/
[12:22]  I got to say fedora is not so much fun. I know that now amphi but it doesn tell you that when you install it! To be clear debian is my favourite distro
[12:22]  Acid_Reign: in debian, pppconfig works well for me
[12:22]  I'd like to get rxvt working, since it's faster than mlterm anyways
[12:22]  amphi: do you know of any groups that give out free or at cost install cd's?
[12:23] Tcl error in script for 'timer2006902':
[12:23] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
[12:23]  Acid_Reign: no - there's a list of cd vendors at debian.org though
[12:23]  Acid_Reign: I had to get 'em shipped up from Mumbai :)
[12:23]  heh
[12:24]  use slackware
[12:24]  I just don't want to get the distro companies expensive boxes
[12:24]  or use bsd
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[12:27]  Fedora.. isn't that an offshoot of something else?
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[12:28]  an offshoot of shit
[12:28]  redhats testing ground
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[12:29]  gotcha
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[12:29]  Acid_Reign: a smallish netinstall iso is available for debian, FWIW
[12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[12:30]  Acid_Reign: not much use if it doesn't like yr modem though :)
[12:30]  I'm scared by it's inability to hold my hand, though
[12:30]  Acid_Reign: hold it yourself
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[12:30] Action: dabicho rest
[12:31]  i think i'm gonna try SuSe, then, any objections?
[12:31]  Acid_Reign: I think the 'personal' edition lacks a lot of useful stuff, dunno much about it
[12:32]  well, do you know of any more newbie friendly distros?
[12:34]  Acid_Reign: not really; fedora I've heard described as a 'nucking fightmare' :)
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[12:34]  hi all... I have a *BIG* problem to do with permissions
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[12:35]  Acid_Reign: what wotsisname said, kanotix, perhaps, or mepis
[12:35]  I had to move my /var directory from one drive to another... I retained all the same permissions... but now whenever I do anything I get a permission error (unless I chmod the whole damn thing to be world-writable)
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[12:35]  Acid_Reign: have a look at distrowatch.org maybe - I've heard people speak highly of arch linux, but I don't know how 'newbie friendly' it is
[12:36]  ok
[12:36]  well I think I'm gonna head out for a while. Thanks for all the help amphi, I really appreciate your patience :).
[12:37]  Acid_Reign: good luck :)
[12:37]  i'll be back
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[12:37]  Which is a better linux disstrabution Slackware or FreeBsD?
[12:38]  I want to IRCop
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[12:38]  Gimpy: windows is the best linux distribution
[12:38]  anybody know what's going on? everything *looks* okay when I look at the permissions - but it obviously isn't
[12:39]  Windows... LMAO... That was a really funny joke..
[12:39]  Gimpy: well, freebsd is not a linux distro either
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[12:40]  HmM?
[12:40]  disstrabution? is that like a 'dissing bution'?
[12:40]  Gimpy : freebsd is NOT linux. that's what amphi meant.
[12:40]  I think I'll try jabber for messaging between several pc on the local net.
[12:40]  Well hell.. i guess that answers my question...
[12:41]  :))
[12:41]  no help to be had?
[12:41]  FreeBSD is just a Unix based OS?
[12:41]  Not under linux..
[12:42]  Gimpy: freebsd.org can answer such questions better than us probably
[12:43]  I'm on Mandrake right now, and every one i talk to tells me that i should either get FreeBSD or Slackware because they are so much better than bugged out Mandrake..
[12:43]  So i just assumed it was linux as well..
[12:43]  yes
[12:43]  all truth
[12:44]  Any of you ever used Slackware?
[12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/13 e/- I/-]
[12:46]  I'm trying to get a computer to mess around on.. but the only problem is i don't have that yet, so if i decide to try a new OS i'll be doing it on my main box..
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[12:47]  So i don't want to dive into something that will fug the main useability of my main PC..
[12:47]  Gimpy, just get a new HD, and don't worry about it...
[12:48]  You're a smart man..
[12:48]  I didn't think about that..
[12:48]  can *anybody* help me with my permissions problem?
[12:49]  Gimpy: if you have a decent size disk you could put several OSes on it - I have four on my 40GB
[12:49]  dark1: Hm what's the problem again?
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[12:50]  I tried to copy my /var directory over from one hard drive to another... I tried to retain all the permissions... it was a pain in the ass but I thought I finally had it... when I mounted the new /var directory on the new drive although everything *looks* like it has the correct permissions - nothing works
[12:51]  dark1: Show me the output of "ls -ld /var", please
[12:52]  I had to chmod 777 the whole damn /var directory just to get online and get it to work...
[12:52]  does that mean I'm totally screwed?
[12:54]  drwxrwxrwx  33 root root 4096 Aug 14 10:38 /var/
[12:54]  Erm I mean, when it *not* works.
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[12:55]  to do that... all I'd do is 770 /var -R
[12:55]  770?
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[12:56]  Well, chmod -R on any top-level-dir is very very bad anyways.
[12:56]  dark1, you need to have r/x to enter and read dirs :P  try:  find /var -type d -exec chmod 755 '{}' \;  and  find /var -type f -exec chmod 644 '{}' \;  then work from there
[12:56]  I didn't know what else to do to get it to work
[12:57]  dark1: Use cp -a to preserve permissions.
[12:57]  daniel: I did that in the first place
[12:57]  like I said... it *looked* like it preserved permissions
[12:58]  but still, nothing worked, even now it looks like everything has the right owner
[12:58]  dark1, most will be owned by root.root, right? so chmod'ing 770 will give only root access  to those dirs
[12:59]  thanks lurch... i'll do those two commands now
[12:59]  dark1: var/lock should be rwx for all + sticky bit
[12:59]  dark1, you'll have to fix your spool/mail permissions and stuff afterwards still though.. and what amphi said..
[12:59]  dark1: ditto /var/tmp
[12:59]  amphi? same with var/tmp
[12:59]  lol
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[13:00] Writing user file...
[13:00] Writing channel file...
[13:00]  I guess yes
[13:00]  http://abum.com/?show_media=148
[13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
[13:01]  so chmod 1755 /var/lock -R?
[13:01]  same for /var/tmp?
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[13:02]  dark1, chmod o+t /var/lock  or 4755 iirc..
[13:02]  1777
[13:02]  merci
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[13:02]  so world rwx for tmp and var plus sticky bit
[13:02]  gotcha
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[13:07]  okay... I *think* that might just get it...
[13:08]  thanks guys... I *still* don't know what was wrong with the initial permissions... I just know that I obviously fecked it up when I panicked and chmod'ed 770
[13:09]  dark1: cp -a might be better for such manoevres
[13:09]  amphi - I did originally... I swear
[13:09]  well... not -a but cp /var/* -dpR
[13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/13 e/- I/-]
[13:10]  which amounts to the same thing
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[13:11]  dark1: strange it got screwed then
[13:12]  that's what made me panic... I couldn't understand it
[13:12]  of course... there's lots I don't understand - I'm a bear of very little brain
[13:12]  lol
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[13:22]  Hi. Is there a function to get the ssid on a wireless device?
[13:23]  iwlist ?
[13:23]  iwconfig?
[13:23]  iwconfig is the idea, i think you have to emerge it
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[13:29]  is there a way to make sudo source root's .bashrc before executing its command?
[13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
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[13:30]  Not really... why?
[13:30]  Not as far as I know, rather
[13:31]  Pita: because i would like sudo to obey the normal restrictions/overrides i define for root's .bashrc
[13:31]  some switch? sudo --source .bashrc Command... ?
[13:31]  i tried its manpage.. no luck
[13:32]  looks like no way to do multiple commands via sudo either.. else i would have simpkly defined a sudomy which would basically: sudo source .bashrc; $@ ...
[13:33]  You could sudo "sh /root/.bashrc && other_command" I'd thing
[13:33]  *think
[13:33]  sudo "source ~/.bashrc; ls"
[13:33]  sudo: source ~/.bashrc; ls: command not found
[13:33]  hm
[13:34]  Why are you using "source"?
[13:34]  oh
[13:34]  source is for tcl execution
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[13:34]  Pita: wtf? source is a synonym for .
[13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/13 e/- I/-]
[13:35]  sudo "sh /root/.bashrc && ls"
[13:35]  hey I'm trying to find a way to get x to accept all incoming connections at boot up.  I'm trying to have a remote x session and I'm using gdm
[13:35]  sudo: sh /root/.bashrc && ls: command not found
[13:35]  couldn't you just write a script, and sudo that?
[13:36]  oh, that would mean i would have to write a script for everything i want to do as a root..
[13:36]  sudo sh /root/.bashrc, ls
[13:36]  Try that
[13:36]   /root/.bashrc, ls
[13:36]  /root/.bashrc,: /root/.bashrc,: No such file or directory
[13:37]  Hrmph
[13:38]  Tell ya what then... here's a script you can use: "sh /root/.bashrc; exec $1"
[13:38]  deego, sudo sh -c "cmd1 && cmd2; cmd3; ..."
[13:38]  put that in a script, and then "sudo script"
[13:38]  erm
[13:38]  Ahhh
[13:38]  Nice... that makes life easier lurch_
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[13:39]  thanks lurch_!
[13:39]  and Pita
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[13:51]  lurch_: it executes, but the first command doesn't seem to take any effect on comand2: sudo sh -c "source ~/.bashrc && echo $FOO"
[13:51]  returns nil, even though .bashrc has export FOO='bar'
[13:52]  i  also tried ; instead of && but no effect
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[13:55]  deego, try /root instead of ~ .. think it's still expanding to the user's home dir
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[13:56]  oh
[13:57]  or if you don't want to put the actual home dir, try ~root  or something
[13:57]  deego@ewaves:~$ sudo sh -c "source /root/.bashrc && echo $FOO"
[13:57]  still nothing
[13:57]  deego@ewaves:~$ FOO=wrong
[13:57]  deego@ewaves:~$ sudo sh -c "source /root/.bashrc && echo $FOO"
[13:57]  wrong
[13:58]  strange.. seems to work ok here..
[13:59]  ah..
[13:59]  try using single quotes instead
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[14:00] Writing user file...
[14:00] Writing channel file...
[14:00]  bash is expanding $FOO before giving it to sudo i think
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[14:05]  deego, when you get weird behaviour like that, and variables are involved, you can do "set -x" to show what's actually substituted for the variables..
[14:06]  deego, set +x to get back to normal
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[14:17] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
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[14:24]  hey guys
[14:24]  what's happening  :-)
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[14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic
[14:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/13 e/- I/-]
[14:30]  why would a program only work under root but gives a bunch of errors when run under user?
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[14:31]  KarlosII, permission problem probably? :P .. do: strace -f -eopen your-prog .. and see if you get EPERM errors, and on what files or something..
[14:32]  hmm
[14:32]  weird
[14:32]  open("/home/pkarlos_76/.straw/itemstore.db", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = 17
[14:32]  Traceback (most recent call last):
[14:32]  open("/usr/bin/straw", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 16
[14:32]    File "/usr/bin/straw", line 18, in ?
[14:32]      s = straw.Main()
[14:33]  KarlosII, why did you paste that?
[14:33]  sorry wrong window I meant to paste in #flood
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[14:41]  hi to all .... i installed debian 2.6 kernel but any time that u restart i still get to the apt configuration screen and when i execute the finish installation of the base syste, i get a msg menu/.mnt no cuch directory .. how can i solve it ...!
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[14:51]  heh. this question is probably totally ridiculous because the answer is no, but i'll shoot anyway :) does anyone know of a midi/audio sequencer for linux that supports a) multi-port midi interfaces  b) multi-port sound cards like RME HDSP  c) directly supports VST plugins like VSTIs and effects?
[14:51]  :)
[14:52]  [speaking gibberish]
[14:52]  daniel: heh
[14:52]  intrr: no idea, but lantis would be someone to ask when he's here (.de TZ)
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[14:53]  amphi: i see. interesting, will see if i can get him some time :)
[14:53]  s/get/catch/
[14:53]  intrr: he's writing some sequencer prog himself IIRC
[14:54]  intrr: #netbsd is another place he's to be found from time to time
[14:54]  amphi: ah well. i already thought about starting my own, but where i'll definitely fail is executing win32 DLLs (the plugins)/.
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[14:55]  probably would need a wine developer for that :)
[14:55]  RE the dlls :)
[14:56]  sorry?
[14:57]  intrr: did you try muse? ( http://lmuse.sourceforge.net/ )
[14:58]  linuxfreck: looking...
[14:58]   - MusE can now utilize win32 VST-Instruments natively
[14:59]  blah!
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[14:59]  really?
[14:59]  now that seems interesting.
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[14:59]  hi
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[15:00] Writing user file...
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[15:00]  "NEW support for industry standard Windows VSTi softsynths"
[15:00]  linuxfreck: thanks for the link!
[15:00]  intrr: np, I just remembered that I saw something on /. about it
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[15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
[15:01]  how do I keep lvm from my startup. I have raid but not lvm
[15:01]  linuxfreck: the thing is that i'm sick of using nuendo on win32, its UI has a number of bad issues.
[15:02]  i made an upload system using apache/cgi, and have some problem with permission, the directory is on a user's directory, and apache need a chmod 777, what i can do ?
[15:02]  lanchow: best thing would be to chmod 777 :-)
[15:03]  intrr: really ? 775 isn't better ?
[15:03]  lanchow: *you* said 777. i don't know what you're doing, you should :)
[15:03]  the muse screenshots look a bit chaotic, but well, it's open source, so easy to fix :)
[15:03]  i don't want any 777 on my computer
[15:04]  maybe add www-data to my group ?
[15:04]  lanchow: i frequently have such problems too. i've gotten so sick of it that i just chmod 666 everything in www dirs
[15:04]  i am the only regular user on my servers anyway
[15:04]  so it doesn't really matter.
[15:04]  lanchow: change the group of the dir to the group that apache uses
[15:04]  linuxfreck: that doesn't look right
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[15:04]  lanchow: and make it 775, or use suexec
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[15:05]  PodSix: are you a bot?
[15:05]  linuxfreck: i don't know
[15:05]  linuxfreck: okay that was my first idea
[15:05]  heh
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[15:14]  hello
[15:14]  hi, caldo_de_cana
[15:14]  lol
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[15:14]  is that a bot?
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[15:16]  hello again all
[15:16]  PodSix: stats
[15:16]  Since Fri Aug 20 00:36:23 2004, there have been 1103 modifications and 106 questions.  I have been awake for 17 hours, 44 minutes, 1 second this session, and currently reference 6401 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
[15:16]  looks like it's a bot. :P
[15:16]  an infobot, to be exact
[15:16]  I've bot a problem with samba... my windows machines don't show up in "network neighbourhood" - only the linux server does
[15:17]  lol... That should read "got" a problem
[15:18]  how do I install slackware with the cd images on a iso file in a fat32?
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[15:20]  so I guess my ? is... how do I get network neighbourhood to display all computers?
[15:21]  caldo_de_cana: burn it to a cd? :)
[15:21]  but my friend is too cheap to burn it to a cd
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[15:25]  caldo_de_cana: the install is for 'yr friend'?
[15:26]  yes, he is going to install it...
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[15:28]  caldo_de_cana: doesn't sound like it - tell him to burn it or use windows :)
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[15:31]  he has an old install cd to boot from, and he wants to install the newer version
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[15:33]  caldo_de_cana: so why doesn't he burn the damn thing? he'd have installed it by now
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[15:34]  caldo_de_cana: I know way to do that; I don't the installer can do a loopback mount of an iso image
[15:34]  er, no way
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[15:39]  he is too cheap to burn the cds... he told me he tried loopback, but he doesnīt know much about linux, so I think he tried wrong
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[15:40]  pretty much he just has to mount the isos, and run the setup program from the correct folder? or is there something else to it?
[15:40]  caldo_de_cana: no idea
[15:40]  presumably he need only burn one cd
[15:42]  hehehe... ok, ok... iīll tell him to pay 50 cents for a cd
[15:43]  he needs a luxury one? :)
[15:44]  no, thatīs the cheapest you can pay in a cd in brazil...
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[15:45]  that seems expensive; you can get quite crap ones here for about 12 cents US
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[15:46]  sweet
[15:46]  what are the best brands? sony, maxwell?
[15:47]  caldo_de_cana: dunno - last couple I got were 80mm Imation ones
[15:47]  ostensibly :)
[15:48]  80mm?
[15:48]  smaller ones?
[15:48]  yeah, the small ones, for burning sysrescuecd images on
[15:49]  very handy
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[15:50]  cool
[15:50]  200MB approx
[15:51]  that sysrescue cd can be a real lifesaver; sysresccd.org IIRC
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[15:56]  'evening
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[16:08] Action: KarlosII looks around for a gmail invite :)
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[16:11] Action: spike wonders why ppl cares so much of gmail
[16:11]  seems like watching 10 blondes in front of a shoes shop
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[16:13]  hehe
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[16:14]  I want to try gmail now and it seems so nicely organized too
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[16:16]  bullshit, it's just a webmail. less or more it's a webmail with a little CMS around, nothing impressive, but it's *G*mail, so it must rock anyway
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[16:19]  besides webmail sux in general. concepts behind the service itself are wrong: whoever resides on email for business or serious communication shouldn't use a webmail. atm it can be useful though, but just for small periods (say 2/3 days), so any not bugged webmail service would do the job
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[16:21]  anyone feel like doing a port scan on my real quick
[16:22]  antihc3: www.grc.com, for that much we can consider it realiable...
[16:23]  k
[16:23]  thanks
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[16:24]  any scsi guru's? I am trying to use lsSCSI with SYSFS... and I can't get my device to mount even though it is detected, any ideas?
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[16:28]  hi
[16:28]  I have a quick question
[16:29]  I have a Radeon 8500, which driver should I use the one in DRI or the propietary ones.
[16:29]  anybody?
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[16:33]  bump
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[16:47]  any nwm players online?
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[16:54]  i want to install a linux distro on  a 1gb jaz disk any ideas
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[16:55]  anyone know if its possable
[16:55]  zipslack
[16:55]  yeah but its all textbased
[16:55]  i ould like to have a gui
[16:56]  you can easily get slack to under a gig if you dont install everything under the sun
[16:56]  never really have been that good at installing slack
[16:56]  never have got a goodinstall
[16:56]  espeically if you use something like fluxbox instead of kde or gnome
[16:56]  whats the last one you tried
[16:57]  install debian, X with less than 500MB
[16:57]  9.1
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[16:57]  debian is a good fallback option :)
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[17:19] Action: spike wonders if nwn is worth trying...
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[17:20]  hey spike
[17:20]  'lo mathman!
[17:20]  I'd imagine you need to pay a monthly fee for never winter nights, no?
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[17:21]  after 2 years without gaming I feel like I'd enjoy a bit of RPG...
[17:22]  but the fear is to get bored again after few minutes playing...
[17:22]  Mathman: nah, guess there's a single-player compaign like usual
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[17:23] Nick change: sirka -> Khisti
[17:24]  hey if i want to boot into /bin/bash directly what i have to write at grub prompt
[17:24]  like for lilo i may write linux init=/bin/bash
[17:24]  Mathman: prob of today's games is they're not challenging, or at least only thing they challenge are your skills moving mouse and remembering shortcuts :/
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[17:25]  Khisti: yes
[17:25]  spike: ah, did not know that.
[17:25]  what i have to write for grub
[17:25]  spike: nothing has compared to the ultima series in my book
[17:25]  no idea
[17:25]  mew
[17:25]  Mathman: iirc ultima is the only thing only available online
[17:25]  mew mew mew mew
[17:25] Action: karynn sighs
[17:25]  i got my first TSM quote today
[17:26]  spike: yeah, old ultima titles I'm talking about
[17:26]  TSM quote?
[17:26] Action: spike gives tuna to karynn 
[17:26]  yeah
[17:26]  quote for a TSM system
[17:26]  slightly more than $83,000
[17:26] Action: spike hugs dict
[17:27]  Mathman: is ultima brain challenging?
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[17:29]  actually I don't even like the 3D style nwn offers... I love sprites ;)
[17:29]  ok, I didn't get the TSM thing...
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[17:30]  spike: i wouldn't expect you at these prices
[17:30] Action: spike shrugs
[17:31]  spike: do you have 1TB of data and multiple database servers that have to be backed up reliably?
[17:32]  karynn: sure... who doesn't have it these days
[17:32]  karynn: I didn't get TSM thing as I didn't understand wth TSM is
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[17:33]  hey spike how w have to do that like * spike shrugs...
[17:33]  dict said something about taxes but that definition must be wrong anyway...
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[17:34]  spike: tivoli storage manager
[17:34] Action: spike points Khisti to www.irchelp.org
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[17:35]  aaaaaah, tivoli. I think I haerd of it once, maybe I was looking at the food card at restaurant
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[17:36]  kind of special meat with sauces iirc
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[17:41]  karynn: wth does that thing do to cost *so* *much*?
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[17:50]  spike : because it's worth it
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[17:52]  ananke: it's a windy day, sun is high and birds sing happily
[17:53]  and?
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[17:53]  summertime and the livin is easy...
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[17:55]  ananke: that's it, was there something to add? thought we were playing the "random statement" game, weren't we?
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[17:55]  nope. that's it. tsm is worth it.
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[17:56]  yeah, and it's still a windy day and sun is still high and birds still sing happily
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[17:56]  actually, at the moment there is no wind, sun is down, and birds are not singing
[17:56]  but tsm is still worth it, right?
[17:57]  yes. it's an excellend piece of software, worth the price tag.
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[17:58]  I should consider that as my new business policy... really interesting. next time a customer will ask "what does this app do so great to cost so much", I'll answer, "it's worth it"
[17:59]  we're not trying to sell you tsm. and you're not paying us jack.
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[18:01]  I wans't trying to buy tsm, I'd just asked karynn what tsm was while ibm pages were loading... nothing more, nothing less
[18:02]  exactly. you weren't trying to buy it, we weren't trying to sell it to you. if you can come up with a better question, maybe you'll get a better answer.
[18:03]  [as much as we care to do it for free]
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[18:06]  spike: I wouldn't say ultima was so much brain challenging as much as it was just fun.
[18:06]  and let me stress 3 points: 1) I asked karynn , not u, neither the channel, 2) I asked a rather specific question "wth does tsm do to..." which would aspect as replay few words like "automated backups, database monitoring or similar" 3) coming up with a non requested / useless reply, just for the sake of showing "I know u don't", and insisting trying to be the righteous one is kinda pathetic
[18:06]  Mathman: I c
[18:07]  well, time to study a bit before sleeping
[18:07]  or studying to get asleep, depends from the points of view ;)
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[18:12]  spike : 1) you're talking in the channel, get used to the idea that your conversation is not private.
[18:12]  the rest falls pretty much under the point #1
[18:13]  besides, if you weren't a prick about it, you could have gotten much more information
[18:13]  does anyone know where the xserver/gtk programs read the locale settings from?
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[18:30]  I am having troubles getting my SCSI scanner to work, which maybe due to my SCSI card not being installed correctly yet?
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[18:30]  so how would i chekc that my scsi controller card is conencted correctly?
[18:30]  dose anybody know where i can get GNU ld and GNU as from ?
[18:32]  staniel check /proc/scsi/scsi  ??
[18:32]  Attached devices:
[18:32]  matt_ gnu.org
[18:33]  and thats all it says?
[18:33]  ahh  You must use GNU `binutils' (as and ld)
[18:33]  :D
[18:33]  staniel time to rtfm and netsearch ;)
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[18:34]  newbien: can't offer me a little more help than that?
[18:34]  heh
[18:34]  staniel, dmesg
[18:34]  might give you something
[18:34]  staniel nope, no scsi experience
[18:34]  if it dosn't chances are you dont have the scsi modules loaded
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[18:35]  or kernel support
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[18:35]  if you wanna see if its connected properly, y dont you look for some lights on the scsi controller
[18:36]  :) just a thought
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[18:37]  mind if I paste 4 lines?
[18:37]  no
[18:38]  lol checking for as... as you need as to build binutils
[18:38]  matt_ gentoo distro?
[18:38]  PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:0b.0 (0006 -> 0007)
[18:38]  scsi1 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36
[18:38]          
[18:38]          aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs
[18:39]  that all seems ok
[18:39]  no never used gentoo before
[18:39] Nick change: doctwo -> docpi
[18:39]  i get an error during ./configure of kino, which says "raw1394.h not found install libraw1394-devel", i go and do apt-get install libraw1394-dev, is that the same thing?
[18:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/13 e/- I/-]
[18:40]  er.. i would build it from source tbh
[18:40]  but thats just me
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[18:41]  why can't i change the ownership of one of my files to another user?
[18:41]  http://www.linux1394.org/files/libraw1394/libraw1394-0.10.1.tar.gz
[18:41]  ivan: your can't change ownership to another user, unless you are root
[18:41]  ivan, chown -Rv user.group /path/to/file/or/dir
[18:41]  matt_ for me, right?
[18:41]  lol yea good point
[18:41]  staniel: what's the reasoning for that restriction in linux/unix?
[18:42]  xio04, yea
[18:42]  xio04, Libraw1394 is required for any program which wants to use the raw1394 driver to access the bus directly (in other words: download it, you'll need it).
[18:42]      * libraw1394 0.10.1 tarball
[18:42]  thats what i was looking at
[18:42]  i don't like su'ing to root to do chmod www-data:www-devs web/ all the time
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[18:42]  ivan: so you can't frame people?
[18:42]  althought i havn't used depian much but i dont see y it should build
[18:42]  staniel: i doubt it
[18:42]  ivan, sudo
[18:42]  ?
[18:43]  sudo is a bitch to set up
[18:43]  not really
[18:43]  i use it all the ime
[18:43]  *time
[18:43]  matt_: what would be the /dev for that then?
[18:44]  if you download and build the source it normally contains the dev stuff
[18:44]  or you mean
[18:44]  like /dev/hda1 dont you
[18:44]  lol
[18:44]  lol yeah
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[18:45]  like /dev/sda1 or something?
[18:45]  i think its /dev/sca1
[18:45]  yea
[18:45]  i'm not too sure is the device ID's have anything todo with it tho, might have to look at dmesg
[18:45]  i dont use that mush scsi hardware
[18:46]  heh
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[19:14]  hullop
[19:14]  *hullo
[19:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/13 e/- I/-]
[19:15]  although ive been using nix for over a year now, believe it or not, im just now learning about the sticky bit, suid and guid bits of permissions
[19:17]  i still dont know how to use sudo and umask, although I think I understand what umask does
[19:17]  did anyone read the Robert J. Sawyer article linked from /.?
[19:19]  how does umask affect sudo?
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[19:20]  it doesnt, i dont think. they are just related in category
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[19:20]  both are relevant to users premissions
[19:20]  *per
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[19:21]   i'm getting an error "libglade-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path", i believe it is now installed though, so how would i add it to the search path?
[19:21]  so, (im reading the sudo man page at the moment) would sudo mainly be useful to run a command briefly w/ out logging in as root? why is that better than just su: su password
[19:22]  xio04: what are you doing to get the error?
[19:23]  is there any easy say to remap mouse buttons for some apps?
[19:23]  way*
[19:23]  i'm installing kino from tar.gz, in the middle of running ./configure to get that error
[19:24]  does anyone know if the TI-83 plus calculator can work under linux?
[19:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/13 e/- I/-]
[19:25]  iratsu: it won't run linux as of yet, though there appear to have been partially successful efforts
[19:25]  open up the config file w/ a text editor and see if you can find where the pkg-config search path is specified
[19:26]  you could grep it for pkg-config...
[19:26]  Triskelios: i actually meant uploading apps to the calculator
[19:26]  Triskelios: through linux
[19:26]  iratsu: use tilp
[19:26]  Triskelios: alright, thanks
[19:26]  what do you all use sudo for?
[19:26] Action: gunnnz blushes
[19:27]  gunnnz: it's slightly more convenient than su for single commands
[19:27]  also is very configurable to restrict the specific commands that can be run
[19:28]  sudo, judo, pudo, foodough.
[19:29]  so do you configure /etc/sudoers so you dont need a password or something? and then just type 'sudo updatedb' or 'sudo mount /dev/foo' or whatever?
[19:29]  gunnnz: I don't use the passwordless feature =P
[19:29]  the command itself looks pretty flexible from the way sudoers is described in the man page...
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[19:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/13 e/- I/-]
[19:30]  so i guess i dont understand why its more convenient than just using su... its actually two extra letters... he he
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[19:30]  is it more convenient because you dont have to su back to your normal self gain?
[19:30]  *again
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[19:31]  su back to yourself?  why woud you do that?
[19:31]  someone seems to be a bit confused about how su works
[19:32]  Triskelios: indeed
[19:32]  i just realized there was more information on what i should do, "Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libglade-2.0.pc to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable"  would that mean do an "export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/somedir"?
[19:32] Action: KarlosII  sudo's rm -f / :P
[19:33]  gunnnz: su spawns a new shell as another user, not replacing your current one. you exit that to get back to your original shell
[19:34]  hmmm. when i su - , i am still in the same shell. i just give the root password, do my thing, then su donnie and back to work again
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[19:34]  no, you have 3 shells running then
[19:34]  ohhhhhhh... i see what you mean. a shell inside a shell sort of.
[19:34]  su takes ya to root
[19:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/13 e/- I/-]
[19:35]  yeahm, then you have to exit; exit; exit
[19:35]  exit exits the root shell back to the original prompt
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[19:36]  and btw, mount is setuid root, so it can be used without changing users. the appropriate way to use mount as non-root is to place the 'users' option in fstab
[19:36]  "donnie is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported." oh crap. im busted
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[19:38]  Triskelios: thats odd. here is a line from my fstab for a USB thumb drive. im always told that i have to be root to mount it
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[19:38]  Triskelios: /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu,codepage=850,noauto
[19:38]  ,umask=0,exec 0 0
[19:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/13 e/- I/-]
[19:40]  gunnnz: what command are you using for mount? you can't specify any options, only *either* the mountpoint or the device
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[19:41] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array
[19:41]  Triskelios: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/removable
[19:42]  wait a min, let me check the permissions of /mnt/removable
[19:42]  gunnnz: don't specify the mountpoint
[19:42]  gunnnz: (or don't specify the device)
[19:43]  ok ill try... do i need write access to /mnt/removable? perms are root:root 755
[19:44]  no
[19:44]  the permission on the mountpoint do not matter
[19:44]  ill be dammed
[19:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/13 e/- I/-]
[19:45]  the mount point is totally obscured; all permissions come from the mounted filesystem
[19:45]  he he i guess i owes  you a lemonade
[19:45] Action: KarlosII yells NOOB alert in my home channel!! :?
[19:45]  KarlosII: behave
[19:45]  yeah dude, because i know kungfu
[19:45]  and im really ken ritchie testing the goodwill of the community
[19:45]  * KarlosII rolls his eyes
[19:45]   that
[19:45]   how do i do that?
[19:45]   y you guys hate windows?
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[19:46]  and i have linus in a noogie headlock at my desk right now. dont make me end everybodies fun...
[19:46]  KarlosII: where is ths?
[19:47]  #kanotix
[19:47]  KarlosII: rools his eyes from the death chop to his adams apple i think maybe from me.
[19:47]  funny thing is we never said anything about windows!!
[19:47]  gunnnz: lets lay off on the simulated violence, please
[19:48] Action: KarlosII is rotflol at comments in #kanotix
[19:48]  i like windows. at least XP pro. i got server 2003 right noew. its pretty cool. has tons of DOS commands and all kinds of event/service viewers etc...
[19:49]  2003 is pretty fast imho
[19:49]  gunnnz: please don't make me hurl
[19:49]  can anyone use their home/pgup/pgdn/end keys on Eterm without it putting a ~?
[19:49] Action: Triskelios SIGHS
[19:49]  lol
[19:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/13 e/- I/-]
[19:51] Action: karynn actually uses server 2003 as an operating system, and not merely as a toy
[19:51]  living dangerously, karynn?
[19:51]  she is
[19:52] Action: karynn needs to set up server 2003 enterprise edition sometime soon
[19:52]  um, would anyone know whether 260kbyte/sec is an acceptable transfer speed when using 100Mbit pcmcia cards?
[19:52]  heya karynn, how is GIMP life?
[19:52]  docpi: seems a bit slow
[19:52]  docpi: don't know, haven't worked with it in a while
[19:52]  the card is only as fast as the network would let it, maybe its running at 10Mbit?
[19:52]  karynn, actually very low
[19:53]  maybe this stupid router runs at 10Mbit.
[19:53] Action: docpi curses all Chinese cheap routers.
[19:53] Action: docpi wishes he knew what to buy next.
[19:54]  I wish there was an acceptable router, maybe wireless added on to it or a separate AP, BUT SOMETHING SERIOUS THAT WORKS DAMMIT!
[19:54]  d-link is imprving their quality as of lately
[19:54]  d-link bites the big one in my experience
[19:54]  i bought a standalone AP for $35 from newegg.com
[19:54]  how can i get my webcam running under linux?
[19:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/13 e/- I/-]
[19:55]  that's a b/g AP
[19:55]  works like the pickle.
[19:56]  karynn, actually their quality has imprved drastically over the last year
[19:56]  iratsu: Google for your webcam's name to see if it has v4l or v4l2 drivers you can download and compile. If there are, you can use any v4l/2 compatible app with it.
[19:56]  KarlosII: i bought a dlink wireless card a few months ago. it was pure shit.
[19:57]  karynn, i'm not talking old released stuff
[19:57]  total waste of money
[19:57]  I'm talking producst released in the last year
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[19:57]  KarlosII: this was a card released in the last year
[19:57] <[s]ean> hello
[19:57] <[s]ean> i have the fasttrack, openft, and gnutella gift plugins configured but only fasttrack is working, any ideas why?
[19:57]  [s]ean: out of karma error.
[19:57]  karynn, right now linksys ranks below d-link......
[19:58] <[s]ean> karynn: say what?
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[19:58]  in my books
[19:58]  KarlosII: i don't touch linksys, either
[19:58] <[s]ean> karynn: do i need to go be a really good boy and it will work?
[19:58]  i've had good luck with netgear
[19:58] Action: KarlosII doesn't have an opinion on netgear
[19:58]  never tried it
[19:59]  [s]ean: no, you can't earn karma by trying to be good just to get more karma.  you have to be good for no reason other than the rightness invovled in being good
[19:59]  with netstat how can i find out what the top bandwidth usage is
[19:59] Action: KarlosII is use the latest hardware version ver C of the 624
[19:59]  dlink
[19:59] <[s]ean> karynn: oh right. ;p
[19:59]  i'm using a netgear card with my older laptop; it's been working fine
[19:59]  my new laptop has an atheros card built in and it also seems to work fine
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[20:00] Action: KarlosII shoots a love arrow at karynn and [s]ean !
[20:00]  Erpo: alright, thanks
[20:00]  KarlosII: behave.
[20:00]  :)
[20:00]  ok guys and gals. i gotta get some work done, its so nice to have net access at my house again. maybe ill see you all later. god bless
[20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts...
[20:01]  [s]ean: And ask better questions. We have no idea which application you're talking about, which is a pretty big barrier to helping you solve your problem. There's a great guide here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html that will teach you not only to ask questions that can be easily answered but make other people want to answer them.
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[20:02] <[s]ean> Erpo: the client i am using doesn't matter. giftd is the one that does the connecting.
[20:02] <[s]ean> Erpo: and i said gift.
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[20:03]  if I compile an app for glibc-2.3.4, will it run on a glibc-2.3.3 system ?
[20:03]  karim_: maybe
[20:03]  karynn:  *sigh* thanks :)
[20:04]  karim_: If it's really important you could statically link it.
[20:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/13 e/- I/-]
[20:05]  [s]ean: Whoops, my mistake. I thought you were referring to some kind of hybrid gnutella/gift plugin as the third item in your list. Still, read the guide. It really works.
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[20:05]  hey everyone, anyone know which frontend that is in the screenshot on the xine homepage?
[20:06]  Demone: The default one?
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[20:07]  ty.  Wasnt sure, i havent used xine before.
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[20:08]  Which folder is kresolver in please?
[20:08]  Demone: There's another "gui" called gxine that's nice. It's a lot more crashy for me, but I think the interface makes much more sense.
[20:08]  Sjues : 'directory' :)
[20:08]  Sjues: which kresolver
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[20:13]  should i use gphoto to access picture from a digital camera?
[20:13] Tcl error [bMotion_event_main]: random limit must be greater than zero
[20:13]  ahem.
[20:13]  argh... xp2 for winxp sucks! :( I've just figured out why my p2p stuff has been acting crazy.. lame microsoft limiting tcpip connections..
[20:13]  well, I think that I have found the problem.
[20:14]  my pcmcia midule grabs the same interrupt as the video card, interrupt 11
[20:14]  how do I prevent the i82635 module and the pcmcia module from using that nterrupt?
[20:14]  modifying /etc/pcmcia/config.opts did not help
[20:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/13 e/- I/-]
[20:17]  Which commands preformat and wipe DVD+RWs?
[20:18]  mmmm
[20:19] Action: KarlosII thinks Microsoft swallowed tech2k and brought him away from the console world
[20:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/13 e/- I/-]
[20:20]  sp2 for xp is evil.
[20:20]  kingsley: the cdrecord manpage says the first part is automatic, not sure what it's trying to say about erasing
[20:21] Action: karynn eeks at her tax predictor software
[20:21]  docpi: I'm no hardware guru, but I'm pretty sure that's normal behavior for modern systems.
[20:21]  $10,500 in tax due?  who are you kidding?
[20:21]  ikes
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[20:23]  my mouse hates me
[20:23]  This probably isn't the best place to ask, but does anyone know why pixel shaders and vertex shaders are called shaders?
[20:23]  Erpo: because :)
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[20:26]  yay, arizona is backing up
[20:26]  1.4 of 131GB done
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[20:35]  Q: http://members.optusnet.com.au/aberfoyle/traintickets.jpg correctly guess the window manager/desktop environment
[20:35]  lets see
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[20:36]  er, who the hell is Sjues?
[20:36]  ?
[20:37]  Aeri took that pic
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[20:43]  hm... f0rcas, eh
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[20:44]  I want to log every process that gets created over the next 5 minutes. How can I do this?
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[20:45]  nkha3o
[20:45]  mean no sir
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[20:45]  I just installed Redhat on my other Box. It isn't recognizing My Logitech MX 700 Mouse. I googled the subject and found some changes I could make to XF68Config to use the mouse. I made the changes. Do I need to reboot or something to make them take effect?
[20:45]  Sembiance: it's possible to do that by turnning on process accoutning ni the kernel and running a user-space program to collect the accounting information and log it. i don't know of any imemdiatley available solution that does that
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[20:46]  hrm
[20:46]  Sembiance: see the acct(2) syscall
[20:46]  karynn: I'm trying to debug this darn postfix/maildrop thing
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[20:46]  drachen: restart X. ctrl-alt-bckspace
[20:46]  Sembiance: try stracing postfix :)
[20:46]  joe: thanks
[20:46]  sembiance: i debugged postfix today by uninstalling it :)
[20:46]  postfix is bug-free
[20:46]  i think ill stick with exim for now
[20:47]  if you're having problems with it, it's due to user error :)
[20:47] Action: karynn runs
[20:47]  karynn: i don't doubt that :)
[20:47]  i couldn't figure out why it was actually resolving dns names instead of simply looking at /etc/hosts first
[20:48]  it was tryin to send my mail outside to a nonexistent domain
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[20:49]  Joe: I hit ctrl-alt-backspace it asked for my login and I gave it. Now I'm getting a messed up screen of ASCII characters. It looks like it might supposed to be a prompt window
[20:49]  meta-ridley: postfix doesn't use /etc/hosts
[20:49]  karynn: Could you give me an example of how that command works?
[20:49]  strace
[20:49]  Sembiance: strace command runs 'command' in a debugging mode that causes it to track all system calls made.  you can use strace -f to trace forked processes, too
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[20:50]  Drachen: are you on the right console? ctrl-alt-f7 or f8
[20:50]  karynn: no but it uses gethostname()
[20:50]  meta-ridley: that only tells it what its own hostname is
[20:50]  Drachen: did you change the resolution in the config file?
[20:50]  meta-ridley: you probably needed to set up a transport map for the domains that you want routed differently than dns would call for
[20:50]  Joe: I don't know what console I'm in neither Ctrl-alt-f8 nor f9 does anything
[20:50]  Sjues: Sun CDE?
[20:51]  Joe: No, I only changed the Mouse section
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[20:51]  karynn: that sounds fun
[20:51]  drachen: are you at command prompt/terminal window?
[20:52]  so why does postfix behave that way?
[20:52]  as compared to other mail daemons
[20:52]  meta-ridley: other mail daemons behave the same way
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[20:53]  meta-ridley: none of them use /etc/hosts, in my experience; all work directly from dns
[20:53]  well i haven't had any problems with sendmail, exim, courier
[20:53]  you can't put MX records in /etc/hosts, nor use gethostbyname to retrieve MX information
[20:53]  they *have* to go straight to the DNS
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[20:54]  you can mail user@ip though
[20:54]  and thats what didn't work for me
[20:54]  you can in postfix, too
[20:54]  well, sorta
[20:54]  Joe: No, although Terminals 1-6 do have prompts, terminal 7 has a very messed up screen. It's mostly blue with a box og hatted G's and a's around a grey box. In the grey box are two "words" one which is blue is RILCS(with hats and tildes) and the other "word" is 
[20:54]  postfix doesn't recognize the user@[[ip]] syntax because it's inherently insecure and stupid
[20:54]  you can, however, set up a transport map that maps any given name to an ip
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[20:57]  Joe: Wait, I hit something (Ctrl f1?) and now terminal 7 is asking for a password. I was trying to switch terminals again, but I'm not very good at this yer
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[20:58]  karynn: so a dns record is overidden by a transport map?
[20:58]  im gonna have to toy with that, see ifi  can get it working
[20:59]  meta-ridley: yup
[20:59]  Joe: I gave it my password and it's doing the strange ASCII box thing again
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[20:59]  meta-ridley: provided you list the entry in the transport map as [hostname] (or [ip])
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[21:00] Action: Drachen sighs
[21:00]  without the brackets, postfix looks up the MX of the name specified and delivers to there
[21:00]  so is postfix your favorite mail daemon?
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[21:01]  i need somethin simpler than sendmail
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[21:02]  communigate
[21:02]  stalker.com
[21:02]  its great
[21:02]  or qmail
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[21:02]  meta-ridley: i'm quite satisfied with postfix
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[21:03]  can 'cp' output a percentage bar for very large directory copies?
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[21:04]  good question
[21:04]  don't think
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[21:05]  usually I just do a 'du' periodically on the tree and see how much is left.
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[21:06]  aw
[21:06]  can you create a log file from the output from make
[21:06]  that reminds me
[21:06]  i need to start doing weekly disk space usage captures
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[21:09]  antihc3: sure, you could use "tee" if you still wanted to see output on the screen, or just make>alogfile 2>&1
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[21:10]  ok thanks
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[21:22]  how come when i SSH into linux, and i run mc, it doesn't display correctly?
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[21:27]  hello?
[21:27]  hello
[21:27]  hello
[21:28]  can someone answer my Q above?
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[21:28]  Grizzly: I don't know the answer to your question, but I was hoping it would help if you didn't feel lonely
[21:28]  ok, i just thought no one is here
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[21:29]  Grizzly: I think lonely and not helped is much worse then simply not helped
[21:29]  Drachen, you action is appreciated
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[21:30]  Grizzly: Glad I could do something, wish I could do more
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[21:48]  grepper: what question?
[21:48]  grepper: what do you mean with 'dosnt display correctly'
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[21:50]  Olsen: ??
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[21:51]  how do i know what gtk pacakge to install, it is a reuiment of kino, which i'm trying to install
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[22:02]  xio04: you are compiling it ?
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[22:04]  i'm compiking kino from scratch, but i'd like to install the requiments with debs
[22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/13 e/- I/-]
[22:07]  apt-get build-dep kino
[22:07]  will probably get you started
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[22:47]  hi.... i'm trying to get realtime-lsm to work on my linux box... i can't seem to get a latency from jackd better than .062msecs... i have selinux stuff set so that nothing is enforced... could this cause it?
[22:47]  I hav ea fresh 120 gb hard drive I partitioned and made ext3 filesystem and df -h says that it is 113gb size, 33mb used, and 107gb available.. and all I did was make the filesystem. what gives?
[22:48]  konaz, ... the filesystem uses space
[22:48]  that always happens
[22:48]  no matter what
[22:48]  7 GIGS for the filesystem? you're kidding
[22:48]  7 gigs
[22:48]  33mb used you said
[22:48]  oh i see
[22:48]  yeah dude... i wouldn't be surprised
[22:48]  i lost a few gigs on my 40 and 120
[22:49]  any better filesystem than ext3? that seems like overboard
[22:49]  i tried to get the most out of my space... i even tried making a fat32
[22:49]  and those filesystems actually used more space
[22:49]  reiserfs is my favorite
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[22:49]  can you boot linux off that?
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[22:50]  dude... reiserfs is like almost the standard now
[22:50]  yes?
[22:50]  I dont know about reiserfs
[22:50]  yeah... reiserfs/ext3/ext2/xfs/jfs... can all boot linux as far as i know
[22:50]  reiserfs rocks
[22:50]  KonvIRC: notice that HDD manufacturers count HD size by 1 GB = 1000 MiB (or worse)
[22:50]  why?
[22:51]  Triskelios: good point, though df in my case is saying 113gb - 33mb = 107gb
[22:51]  benchmarks.... all filesystems have their pitfalls... reiserfs had good ratings in the areas that i wanted
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[22:51]  reiserfs has had a history of not being terribly reliable
[22:51]  KonvIRC, yeah but check it out
[22:52]  if 113 * 24
[22:52]  Moldy: are you using reiser4?
[22:52]  that is the difference between what the manufacture says a gig is and waht it actually is
[22:53]  that amounts to 2712 mb
[22:53]  Triskelios, not sure
[22:53]  i have never had problems with it
[22:53]  the program I use is df  not a manufacturer's program
[22:53]  KonvIRC, doesn't matter
[22:53]  df thinks a giga is 1024 and it's right
[22:53]  the box on your hd says 113 gigs... but measures in 1000mb
[22:53]  not 10024
[22:54]  so1024 sorry
[22:54]  if by 1024 it's 113gb in reality then that is fine. but df is calculating 113gb - 33mb is 107gb
[22:54]  so df is right...
[22:54]  dude... it's less because the manufacture considers a gigabyte less than what it really is
[22:54]  that is what that other dude was saying
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[22:55]  KonvIRC: you mean it reports 113G, 33MB, 107MB in the size, used and available fields?
[22:55]  Triskelios: yep
[22:55]  *107G
[22:55]  KonvIRC: that is rather strange
[22:55]  Triskelios, well here is my output on my suposed 40 gigger
[22:56]  /dev/root              38G   13G   25G  34% /
[22:56]  see same problem
[22:56]  missing 2 gigs
[22:56]  out of the total
[22:56]  Moldy: KonvIRC's problem is the size of the filesysem doesn't add up
[22:56]  and my 120 is missing 10 gigs
[22:56]  Moldy: you're lucky. 13g + 25g = 38gb
[22:57]  Triskelios: how can I fix you know? all I did was cfdisk, mkfs.ext3, mount
[22:57]  KonvIRC: it might be the ext3 journal screwing up the count. I would consider that a bug (the journal should not be counted in the total size...)
[22:58]  lol i totally misunderstood you
[22:58]  wtf
[22:58]  that is weird
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[22:58]  whatever it is, it sucks
[22:59]  it does not occur in plain ext2, so the journal seems like the logical reason
[22:59]  argh... well does anyone ahve any experience in low latency shiznit?
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[23:54]  when you recompile the kernel and have your drivers built in, you shouldn't have to do anything else to get Linux to detect your device on startup would you?
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