[00:00] Writing user file... [00:00] Writing channel file... [00:00] would routes have something to do with it? [00:00] <_sho_> possibly [00:00] <_sho_> how are you routing [00:00] <_sho_> nat? [00:00] no routing [00:00] othernick = amrit|zzz [00:00] this is the firewall box [00:00] so it's exposed to the internet [00:00] two ips [00:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [00:02] any ideas? [00:03] Tcl error in script for 'timer720067': [00:03] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [00:03] Ancer (~Ancer@S010600265410f92c.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:03] nuckinucki1236 (~nuckinuck@pD9E1FB98.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:03] bobsulei88 (~nuckinuck@pD9E1FB98.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[00:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:11] um, setup(hd0) to install in the MBR [00:12] i have XPs bootloader in there, set to use an bootsect.lnx file that is made with dd if=/dev/hdc5 [00:12] it worked perfectly [00:13] until i wrote vga=791 in menu.lst [00:13] i deleted that part, ran update-grub [00:13] you might've put the option in the wrong place.. [00:13] paza (~mikko@ilmi.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [00:13] hi, does anyone know how to insert regular expression into openoffce calc cell ? [00:14] hey people, hows it hangin [00:14] if i did, then it should be a problem no more, because menu.lst is the one i used before the incident [00:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:15] Zer0One: well, hd1 should be "hdb" in linux... [00:15] hm.. [00:16] i have 2 hdd, the second one is seen as /dev/hdc [00:17] grub didn't complain at setup(hd1,5) [00:17] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:17] *sigh* [00:17] t35t0r (~t35t0r@cookeville-24-158-166-127.midtn.chartertn.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:17] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:17] I was hoping to use 2 nameservers [00:17] but it's looking like it'll be too much a hassle to get it setup [00:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:20] thx Triskelios for input, i'll see what.. i can do [00:20] Zer0One (System@94.Red-83-33-235.pooles.rima-tde.net) left irc: [00:20] SerajewelKS (chris@dialup-4.224.159.181.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:20] Yamabushi (~Yamabushi@ip68-102-249-200.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:21] there was some discussion in here a few weeks ago about whether code that is released under the GPL could be used in a proprietary application by the owner. it seems that the last paragraph of the GPL does, in fact, prohibit this. [00:21] If I connect to a computer, and then ssh into another, will I be using the terminal program I logged into the first machine with? [00:22] yes [00:22] or wait, maybe the last paragraph isn't talking about the author's use.. hmm [00:22] you'll be as secure as the least secure connection [00:23] Tweedle-dee, that depends [00:23] depends on what? [00:23] Tweedle-dee, if the least secure connection is a crossover cable, i think you're fine [00:23] well... [00:23] SerajewelKS: a copyright owner has all rights (unless he disclaims them) [00:23] but then i guess that is a secure connection in some sense [00:23] Triskelios, that's what i thought [00:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:29] it's interesting having an open-source project that was started for fun, and finding out that you're immediately classified on yahoo as the super-leet [00:29] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:29] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] which, depending on the crowd you're with, can be either a good or a bad thing [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:33] i'm also amazed at how i can release a new version on sourceforge, and almost overnight 200 mirrors have it [00:34] javaROCKS (~k00giez@adsl-69-106-248-35.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:34] ...but your project site and cvs repository can still be unavailable for days at a time when sourceforge throws a fit [00:34] spike (~spike@spike.user) joined #linuxhelp. [00:34] that's the fun part [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:35] Triskelios, my site isn't hosted on sf =) [00:35] bigtony (~bigtony@c-24-99-11-82.atl.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [00:36] 'lo Triskelios [00:36] question: anyone get the following error when using mplayer 586 alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error no such file or directory? [00:37] yo spike [00:37] bigtony, cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV mixer [00:38] bigtony, never mind [00:38] bigtony, cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV audio [00:39] /dev/audio isn't used on modern linux systems [00:39] Triskelios, i never said it was [00:39] ok let me try and thanks [00:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:40] Triskelios, ./MAKEDEV audio creates audio-related nodes. (i.e. mixer, dsp) [00:40] bigtony, make sure you're root [00:40] oh, it's an alias [00:40] ok [00:40] i did [00:40] thoreauputic (~petros@wolax7-088.dialup.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:40] let me try again [00:40] bigtony, what is your distro? [00:40] ubuntu debian [00:41] okay, i have debian too [00:41] so you /should/ have MAKEDEV [00:41] same error [00:41] even after typing as you stated [00:41] what error [00:41] just because a device exists doesn't mean it's actually THERE [00:41] question: anyone get the following error when using mplayer 586 alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error no such file or directory? [00:42] Yamabushi (~Yamabushi@ip68-102-249-200.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:42] Tweedle-dee, "no such file or directory" implies that the node doesn't exist [00:42] true [00:42] bigtony, what error does MAKEDEV give you? [00:42] OR permissions [00:42] none [00:42] Tweedle-dee, no then it'd be "permission denied" [00:42] hmm... [00:42] bigtony, type "ls /dev/mixer", what do you see? [00:43] ok han gon [00:43] the dir listing thats all [00:43] no files [00:43] wait [00:43] /dev/mixer [00:43] is all it shows [00:43] <_sho_> damn [00:43] so mixer is a directory? [00:43] <_sho_> anyone use resin? [00:43] yes [00:44] bigtony, copy and paste me the output from this: ls -ld /dev/mixer [00:44] err not a mixer [00:44] err dir [00:44] any ideas KF about my net problem? [00:44] its the file i mean but here is the output [00:44] crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 2004-11-14 02:43 /dev/mixer [00:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:45] mmkay, so the node does exist [00:45] bigtony, as your normal user, type "groups" and paste me the output [00:45] Tweedle-dee, looks like it might be permissions after all [00:45] ok [00:45] one question is there a command to get out or root otehr than exiting and restarting terminal? [00:46] bigtony, start a normal terminal and use "su" to get root [00:46] then you can just type "exit" [00:46] another thing is there is no device bound to /dev/mixer [00:46] or you can do what i do..have two terminals, one for root and one for non-root [00:46] Tweedle-dee, possibly [00:46] thats wat i was wondering ok hang on [00:46] bigtony, also try typing 'cat /dev/null > /dev/mixer' as root and tell me what you see [00:47] groups gives me this [00:47] bigtony adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner [00:47] okay so your permissions are okay [00:47] kreg1 (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:47] cat returns nothing [00:48] humm [00:48] restart mplayer? ;) [00:48] and/or alsa [00:48] you might think about snd-mixer-oss first :) [00:48] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:49] same error [00:49] Tweedle-dee, the device node is there and writable [00:49] doesn't mean anything SerajewelKS [00:49] that means that there is a device attached [00:49] not true [00:49] unless it's devfsd [00:49] Tweedle-dee, you're not on the same page [00:49] or udev [00:49] Tweedle-dee, i had him do 'cat /dev/null > /dev/mixer' and there was no error [00:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:50] so? [00:50] try using a mixer program [00:50] if no device was attached it would say no such device or address [00:50] it might be a NULL device :) [00:50] i can play sound with xine and so forth [00:50] had that happen to me once (before I used devfs) [00:50] Tweedle-dee, then why would it say no such file ;) [00:50] bigtony: do you have snd-pcm-oss [00:50] let me see hang on [00:51] sometimes device nodes are created, but not bound to [00:51] that's why I like devfs [00:51] no apt-cache returns nothing on it [00:51] only bound nodes are present [00:51] errr [00:51] lsmod bigtony [00:51] bigtony, it's a module, not a package [00:51] lsmod | grep snd-pcm-oss [00:52] also SOME sound devices don't HAVE a mixer [00:52] no return [00:52] so it creates a NULL mixer bind [00:52] bigtony: modprobe snd-mixer-oss [00:52] Nick change: Triskelios -> Trisk[awaay] [00:52] no return [00:53] lsmod|grep snd [00:53] see if mixer is in there [00:53] it shows it there [00:53] good [00:53] try again now [00:53] try what now? [00:53] mplayer [00:53] ok so the modprobe put it there or something? [00:54] just trying to follow what your doing [00:54] modprobe inserts modules into the kernel [00:54] module probe :) [00:54] good deal [00:54] thanks i'm still learning so i appreciate the time [00:54] :) [00:54] works now? [00:54] on like day 5 of linux [00:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:55] hehe [00:55] same problem thugh [00:55] hmm... try it as root (just to test it out) [00:55] what soundcard is this? [00:55] dang how do i break it ctrl alt f2? [00:55] Tweedle-dee, if i didn't know any better, i'd say mplayer is chrooting ;) [00:55] possibly [00:56] would it be a codec issue? [00:56] no [00:56] kreg1 (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) left irc: Operation timed out [00:56] it's looking for a physical device [00:57] when i type mplayer at root i only get instructions on how to use [00:57] the gui doesn't come up [00:57] what soundcard you have bigtony [00:57] its integrated on the gateway mobo [00:58] bigtony: um, something like the brand, type, chip, model, etc. [00:58] gateway..... *no comment* [00:58] maybe we should try aumix [00:58] [pkh] (~kvirc@118.Red-213-97-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:58] AC97 probibly [00:58] hey its an old computer [00:58] i was gonna throw it in the trash [00:58] oh [00:58] 1990's? [00:58] but if igured i'd learn linux on it [00:58] yeah [00:58] p3 450 [00:58] so it might be a crystalfusion [00:58] bigtony: try to run dmesg on a console and see if you can find something [00:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:00] Writing user file... [01:00] Writing channel file... [01:00] brb [01:00] brb [01:00] Tweedle-dee (~animeloe@animeloe.user) left irc: "leaving" [01:00] its ensoniq [01:00] audiopc97 [01:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [01:02] did you get any sound using another program, well, let's say xmms or mpg{123.321}? [01:02] yep [01:02] sound works fine [01:02] mplayer has never worked for me [01:02] i just finally got 586 to install [01:02] and the mozilla plugin to work [01:02] i can go to websites and they play fine [01:02] but loading up an avi and its not working at all [01:02] kreg (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:03] video works but i get the constant popups [01:03] dlmeta-riey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:04] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:04] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) joined #linuxhelp. [01:04] only reason i don't use xine is it keeps on crashing on me [01:04] just freezes [01:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:05] war- (war@209.81.41.149) joined #linuxhelp. [01:06] haah whats funny is the sound plays [01:07] bigtony: what file you're trying to open ? avi or ? [01:07] avi file [01:07] here is whats strange [01:07] if i open the file with file browswer using mplayer [01:08] it works fine [01:08] no errors no nothing [01:08] did you get any sounds if you're opening another file, let's say mpg? [01:08] but if i open in X [01:08] mplayer where i have the nice little controsl and all [01:08] i start getting popups [01:08] yeah sound is working fine [01:08] even in this one [01:08] the popup is whats annoying [01:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:10] aww are they two different apps or something [01:10] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-e05ae353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [01:10] i looked at the properties and its gmplayer [01:10] SerajewelKS (chris@dialup-4.224.159.181.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left irc: "Pop goes the weasel" [01:10] MetaCosm__ (~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:11] kreg (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:12] Tcl error in script for 'timer723406': [01:12] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [01:12] squidly (~squidly@pcp05310935pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 14400 seconds [01:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:15] t35t0r (~t35t0r@cookeville-24-158-166-127.midtn.chartertn.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:17] oneforall (~oneforall@204.50.32.67) joined #linuxhelp. [01:17] hdd: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } man I'm so sick of seing this and never getting a fix for it [01:17] new dvdrw and its getting it too . another mobo etc too :( [01:18] lite-on SOHW 1633 dl [01:18] wel i'm out for the night [01:18] thanks for the help [01:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:20] bigtony (~bigtony@c-24-99-11-82.atl.client2.attbi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:22] dlmeta-riey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] hey can dvdrw and cdrw be on the same cable ot it better to put them on prime and secondary? [01:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:26] MetaCosm_ (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:26] iceman684 (eraser@3ffe:1001:570:10:b:0:0:1) joined #linuxhelp. [01:26] oneforall: i think it's the disc. i got such error with my gentoo disc. [01:27] oneforall, better to put two CDs on a single cable than to mix CDs and hard drives [01:29] weird think is now after allt he darn attempts its reading the spot it kept dieing on err [01:29] think/thing [01:29] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:29] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:29] Tweedle-dee (~animeloe@animeloe.user) joined #linuxhelp. [01:29] whoops changed my mind on thet [01:29] kreg1 (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[02:27] what's the subnetmask to ips from 192.168.0.24 to 192.168.0.31 ? [02:28] Tusnal (Tusnal@94.8.223.82.arsystel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:28] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:28] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:29] cavaleras: do you know how to convert decimal to binary? [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:30] PabloII (~10344C67A@121.Red-81-44-201.pooles.rima-tde.net) left #linuxhelp. [02:30] hmm yeah but i honestly forgot how :P [02:31] i remember 255 is 11111111 [02:31] :P [02:31] ok, take some pen&paper then ;) [02:32] okz they are ready, waiting kasc :P [02:32] blacksadness (~blacksadn@194.146.153.147) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] write down 2^n with n=1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 in reverse order [02:32] oh, wait, it should be 0 to 7 [02:33] lol [02:33] you forgot :P [02:33] ;) [02:34] those numbers represent your bits [02:34] yeah [02:34] but i really need that subnet [02:34] now try to express 24 and 31 with a sum of those bits [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:35] kasc: you do ipv6 :P [02:35] aha [02:35] no, ipv6 would be 2^n with n=0 to 15 per block [02:35] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp08392498pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:36] hmmm [02:36] shit that was very stupid of me [02:36] if you have those numbers in binary, note all bits starting with the highest that didnt change [02:36] 170.175 [02:36] subnet 248 :P [02:37] i meant 170 to 175 [02:37] if you still can't do the math, there are several netmask calculators on the net. [02:37] sethk it is 248 with 6 ips range [02:37] from 170 to 175 [02:37] that's if i'm correct [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:43] cavaleras, I have to convert the numbers to binary. That looks correct, it's actually an 8 IP range, but the first address is the network address and the last address is the broadcast average, so there are six usable IP addresses. The netmask must reflect the eight, not the six. So it is oxff ff ff f8 [02:44] which is in decimal 255.255.255.248 [02:44] cavaleras, as you said. [02:44] 11111000 [02:44] hehe thanks sethk :) [02:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:45] but here's a tricky question question what about a seven usable ips ? [02:46] cavaleras, no such thing. Has to be a power of 2, -2 [02:46] aha i thought so :) [02:47] sethk i made a mistake in my iptables firewall script [02:47] voldy (~voldy@tony11-134-71.inter.net.il) joined #linuxhelp. [02:47] who here knows about dealing with the "iso-9660 filesystem read ahead bug" mentioned in the mkisofs and cdrecord manpages? [02:47] which is blocking 3 usable ips [02:48] voldy, use a speed flag and slow down your write speed. [02:48] cavaleras, possible. [02:48] i've been trying to use the padsize= option, but i still get it. usually the last large file burned to a dvd doesn't work properly. [02:48] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:48] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:48] voldy, try using the -raw flag. [02:49] sethk: in mkisofs or cdrecord? [02:49] cdrecord [02:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:50] ok i'll try that. thanks, sethk [02:50] drstein (~drstein@200.228.163.45) joined #linuxhelp. [02:50] hello. What make mrproper in kernel compiler process do? [02:51] drstein, returns the directory to the state it was in before you configured or built anything. [02:52] and if i want make my kernel config like the actual kernel state, can you understand-me? [02:52] and reconfigure in this step forawd [02:53] because i have many trouble when I compile it. Many erros e problems [02:53] Indal (~hidihi@noc.mistral.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:54] hey guys, i am needing help with sound on my debian sarge [02:54] sethk can you understand-me? [02:54] i haev kernel 2.6.8-1-386 [02:54] cavaleras (~Unixx@danyzone.net) left irc: [02:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:55] is there a way to figure out how many files i have in a perticular directory recursivly? [02:55] tty1 'du' ? [02:55] drstein: that gives you a count, ok..ill look [02:55] drstein, I'm not sure. I you have a .config from a directory that compiled properly, you can drop it into the directory and do "make oldconfig". This won't work if you are porting from 2.4 to 2.6 [02:56] tty1, no, not du. find . -type f -print [02:56] tty1, that will give you all the files in . (current directory) and any subdirectories. [02:56] tty1, the dot (.) can also be replaced by a path /xyz. If you don't want the subdirectories, use -maxdepth 1 [02:57] sethk: and will cound them? or no [02:57] tty1, to count them, do find ...... | wc -l [02:57] sethk: alright thanks [02:57] sethk i am using slack 10. i will try, recompile the source in /usr/src [02:58] drstein, use a kernel from kernel.org, if you aren't already. [02:58] katz_ (~Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:58] and the kernel that come with my slack distro? [02:59] i just want make fine tunning [02:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:59] :) [02:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [03:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [03:01] sethk you say that mrproper return the DIR to state before configured. and make clean? [03:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:06] drstein, make clean only erases the object files and executables. It does not erase the configuration. [03:08] oddbudman (~odd@c210-49-61-240.rochd1.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [03:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:12] octan (~octan@213.161.164.111) joined #linuxhelp. [03:13] hello [03:14] Tcl error in script for 'timer727664': [03:14] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [03:14] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:15] katz__ (~Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[03:33] Jazza (Jazza@CWPP-p-144-134-229-30.prem.tmns.net.au) left irc: Broken pipe [03:33] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.116.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [03:33] sethk: i just tried the -raw mode, but got an error. i'm using dvdrecord, not cdrecord, and i got an error that data sectors are not yet supported in raw mode. [03:33] voldy, too bad. I can't think of anything else to try. [03:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:36] para|ysis (~paralysis@195.251.136.69) left #linuxhelp ("developing negative into a positive picture..."). [03:36] misc- (~foreach@202.168.52.201) joined #linuxhelp. [03:37] the same discs seem to read fine in windows [03:37] voldy - whats the problem? [03:37] when burning dvd's, one or two files, usually at the end, have IO errors [03:38] i.e., if it's a video, i won't be able to search in it and it'll only play part of it. if it's text i won't be able to cat it. [03:38] hello... i can go to http://www.somedomain.com/some_path/index.html but, if i type wget http://www.somedomain.com/some_path/index.html, then i get a 403 error: Forbidden - how can that be so, if I can get index.html via a browser but not wget? [03:38] bummer [03:39] the mkisofs and cdrecord manpages mention some kind of iso9660 linux filesystem read-ahead bug, and suggest using padsize= to pad the end of it... but i've been trying that without any luck [03:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:42] huh - never saw that before [03:42] it's a real pain in the arse... the same discs play fine in windows [03:42] oh, and if i burn them in windows using nero, i still get the same errors trying to read them in linux [03:42] yeah - man mkisofs says its a problem with the OS reading [03:43] SilentBob (~eth73@ool-182f6ee3.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:43] How can I mount a bin/cue image file.. [03:43] Without converting it to iso [03:43] have you tried mkisofs -print-size, then cdrecord tsize=Xs where X is what mkisofs said? [03:44] CarlK: no, you think that'll help? [03:44] voldy - make that cdrecord tsize=Xs -sao [03:44] no ;) [03:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:45] actually it's dvdrecord i'm using, not cdrecord, but that's just a spinoff of cdrecord... and it only works with -dao [03:45] i know my drive wont let me just pipe mkisofs|cdrecord [03:46] drstein (~drstein@200.228.163.45) left irc: [03:46] mirk (~mirk@dhcp065-024-080-116.columbus.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:46] print-size just gives a number. i need to slap an 's' on the end of that for tsize [03:46] ? [03:46] yes [03:47] voldy - ls -l `which cdrecord dvdrecord` [03:47] on my FC2 box, dvdrecord is a 96 byte shell script that just calls cdrecord [03:48] sleon (sleon@pD95E7BBC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:48] hi [03:48] not that it makes a huge differenece, but it will save you the trouble of trying both [03:48] is there any good tutorial for LDAP? [03:49] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:49] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [03:49] not here, cdrecord is 133 bytes, and dvdrecord is 244k [03:49] and it's not just a shell script, i tried to cat it and it's gibberish [03:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:50] Nate_Grey thx [03:51] cdrecord is 133 bytes? [03:51] np sleon [03:51] RickX (~rick@159-27.26-24.se.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:51] drbombay43 i am using fc1 [03:52] voldy -cdrecord -version; Cdrecord-Clone 2.01-dvd [03:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:55] ledestin (~ledestin@ledestin.amur.ru) left irc: "Client exiting" [03:56] Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a38 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J\uffffrg Schilling [03:56] i have the debian apt-get version [03:57] you know, when i do a dvdrecord, it always gives me the following warning. I always assumed it was insignificant and ignored it. Think it could have something to do with my problem? "dvdrecord: WARNING: Drive returns wrong startsec (0) using -150" [03:57] I get that too [03:58] what does dvdrecord -version give you? [03:58] dvdrtools v0.1.5 [03:58] Based on: [03:58] Cdrecord 1.11a15 (i386-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J\uffffrg Schilling [03:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [03:59] given that, i would say stop using dvd and start using the cd one [03:59] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-e05ae353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [03:59] it can do dvds as well? [03:59] yup [04:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [04:00] Writing user file... [04:00] Writing channel file... [04:00] same exact syntax? [04:00] yup [04:00] ok i'll try that next time [04:00] do you have a dvd-rw ? [04:00] I just picked up 2 for $6 - makes testing a bit easier on the wallet [04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [04:01] yes, but i haven't been able to burn rw's properly yet. drive's a pretty big pain in the arse in linux. in windows it works great [04:01] i haven't managed to burn rw's in linux at all [04:02] anyway, i gotta run - baby's crying and i'm hungry... i'll bbl... thanks for your help, i hope that using cdrecord will solve the problem, and i'll try with the tsize=Xs option too [04:02] see ya [04:02] cdrecord blank=fast ... [04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [04:07] dimm0k (~nmok@pool-68-161-141-224.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:07] Hey. Is there any way to do a columned ls with filesizes? [04:07] the only way I can figure out to do gnu ls with filesizes is ls -l [04:07] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-213-023-192-078.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:08] I can do ls -s, but that's block size [04:08] sleon (sleon@pD95E7BBC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:08] Flinn, du -hs * [04:08] ? [04:09] I was wanting to column it.. [04:09] plus ls has colors [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [04:10] .... are you serious [04:10] lol [04:10] So write an awk script to take columns $5 and $9 [04:10] Or just take a screen shot.. [04:10] And gimp it up. [04:11] I dunno wtf you're trying to accomplish though. [04:11] ;) [04:11] I'm trying to be able to ls files and get a listing that will show me an entire big directory on a single screen [04:11] with filesizes, because I often need to look at those [04:11] but if it's not easily doable... [04:12] ls -sa --blocksize=1 will approximate it [04:12] ls -hs [04:12] ? [04:13] ls -hsS [04:13] sort by file size [04:13] Flinn - have you seen FSViewPart in Konqueror? [04:14] SilentBob: yea, that's pretty good.. I want to see the whole byte total though :PP [04:14] I know I'm being picky .. [04:14] yep [04:14] man ls [04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [04:15] [04:15] but it's helpful to compare to see if two files are the same, without doing diff [04:15] rather..if two files aren't the same [04:15] md5sum * [04:15] Don't rely on file sizes. [04:15] Use 128bit hashes [04:15] SilentBob: yea, I read all the man stuff [04:16] SilentBob: I'm not -- but if two files are different sizes, you know for sure they're different [04:18] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-208-191.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:18] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [04:18] maybe I'll try what you said.. and alias ls -something to an awk script [04:19] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:19] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:06] Ah, so easy :). cat sth | sed 's/str1/str2/' [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:11] ld (~littledra@82.76.1.205) joined #linuxhelp. [05:12] Hi. How does -j MARK work ? How are packets affected by a rule with -j MARK ? [05:13] Tcl error in script for 'timer729254': [05:13] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [05:13] Sagstuen (~roger@80.239.69.147) joined #linuxhelp. [05:13] Sagstuen (~roger@80.239.69.147) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:13] Well actually I made some rules and I want to see if my packets get marked... How can I do that ? [05:13] I can't see anything obvious with tcpdump and ethereal... [05:14] fiber (~fiber@adsl203-144-051.mclink.it) joined #linuxhelp. [05:14] hello, i have a file that is in a samba mount from a 2000 machine onto this linux box but i can't change the file (mv: cannot move `Student Bulletin.htm' to `Student Bulletin.html': Text file busy) however the file is not listed in lsof... can someone please help me resolve this issue or direct me in the right path? [05:14] queuetue (~Scott@h69-21-252-54.69-21.unk.tds.net) left irc: Connection timed out [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:16] d31 (~d31@CPE-144-136-91-185.nsw.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [05:16] MUUSHU` (~mo699898@c66.168.24.174.mad.wi.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:16] heh - you are one step ahead of me [05:16] mo699898 (~mo699898@c66.168.24.174.mad.wi.charter.com) left irc: Connection timed out [05:16] katz_ (~Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [05:17] pretty sure this worked 30 min ago, but now it is erroring [05:17] mount -t smbfs -o username=carl //v333w98b/c c [05:17] Nice computer name :) [05:17] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //v333w98b/c, or too many mounted file systems [05:19] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:19] in fact, it is still mounted from another box: //v333w98b/c on /mnt/smb/v333/c type smbfs [05:19] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [05:19] queuetue (~Scott@h69-21-252-54.69-21.unk.tds.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[05:29] chipset, or, chip [05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:30] MetaCosm__ (~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:30] cwanderer (cpp@82.79.129.66) joined #linuxhelp. [05:30] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:30] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [05:30] I found a wlan adapter, but I wanted to know if it's supported by linux [05:30] Good day ! Is there a free online version of the "Linux+ Certification Bible" out there ? [05:31] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:32] cwanderer: If there is, you'll be able to find it with google. [05:32] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:33] Need to be certified? I'm afraid there isn't (no real knowledge tho) [05:33] I feel certifying is not something the OS community would be very interested in =D [05:33] hmm redhat have theres [05:33] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:34] RHCE and RHCT [05:34] and then there's windows and MCSE [05:34] solaris [05:34] well..actualy I'm on a learning process..curiosity led me to read Linux+ certification Objectives..so I thought , a Linux+ Certification Bible 'should' teach you how to achieve those objectives..so it should be a pretty good book [05:34] Indal, but these are probably not free beer, but a business fo rthem [05:34] RHCE sounds so alike to MCSE :D [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:35] yeh and CCSE [05:35] Cisco ? [05:35] yeh [05:35] it's all about the E's and the C's [05:35] C'mon, CCNA is quite nice :) [05:35] menewbe (~i@cn-nawij-cb02-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl) left irc: [05:35] cwanderer, it just might be. Or it might be written for newbies and be too simplistic and all, which might be a plus for some :) [05:36] cwanderer: but as long as free stuff is considered, I must mention www.tldp.org - LOTS of stuff there [05:36] cwanderer freshmeat.net search:linux certification [05:36] try the guides first [05:38] damn my isp doens't provide nntp support, anyone knows a good fast nntp server ? [05:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:40] _tj_ (~tushar@203.115.117.56) joined #linuxhelp. [05:40] hm..ok..thanks [05:40] <_tj_> quit [05:41] _tj_ (~tushar@203.115.117.56) left irc: Client Quit [05:41] cwanderer (cpp@82.79.129.66) left irc: [05:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:46] blacksadness (~blacksadn@194.146.153.147) joined #linuxhelp. [05:48] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[06:06] orignal is python [06:06] python.. that's right [06:09] Tcl error in script for 'timer732899': [06:09] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:10] Emil_Zeuthen (~emil@0x503ea254.boanxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life [06:11] bakercp (~bakercp@x84-5-51.vpn.umn.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [06:11] _matt (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:c4d6:eaac:9b9f:7bc4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:11] _matt (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:c4d6:eaac:9b9f:7bc4) joined #linuxhelp. [06:14] ld (~littledra@82.76.1.205) left irc: [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:18] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[06:36] i'm trying to print on a large network but i'm not sure the printer, how can i get a list, if i scan smb i get alot of windows computers. don't think its what i need. this would be like laser printers with a network connection i imagine. [06:37] arg... FC2 box will mount a win share, but the gentoo one wont - same command says: mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.48/d$,... [06:37] anyone know what I should look for? [06:38] hmm, /var/log/messages: Nov 16 14:46:35 LinuxBook1 smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported [06:38] what does that mean? [06:39] Tcl error in script for 'timer734612': [06:39] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [06:39] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:41] sysfault (~exalted@ool-44c0244a.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:42] jondy (~jmohsin@203.81.196.2) joined #linuxhelp. [06:43] hello [06:43] i have a problem in using at command [06:43] can anybody help mw [06:43] me [06:44] jondy (~jmohsin@203.81.196.2) left #linuxhelp. [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:49] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:49] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [06:49] well what is the problem [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:52] wegi (~wegi@83-65-65-172.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #linuxhelp. [06:53] testing12356 (~president@wbs-217-122.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [06:53] how do you force all packets originating from a specific port on a local NATd network to exit the network onto the net via a specified net connection? I have two available net connections (pppd's) on my debian router box. [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:55] google: lartc [06:55] lartc: http://lartc.org/ [06:55] Kalodium (~Kalo@dialup-194.112.220.203.acc01-john-stp.comindico.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [06:55] testing12356: check that link [06:55] spike ive worked through the bloody this twice ;) [06:55] i still dont grok it [06:56] testing12356: go for the third, u won't find naything better than it. it holds the truth about advanced networking better than any other doc [06:56] just give urself time [06:57] Action: testing12356 opens another bag of cheetos ... dims the lights in his basement and starts the 3rd round [06:57] xio04 (~knoppix@156.12.13.5) left irc: "Leaving" [06:57] loesh (~loesh@212-112-181-46.opennet.wtnord.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:57] Nick change: Triskelios -> Trisk[class] [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... 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[07:12] how can I let users mount dvd/cdrom/floppy? [07:13] roRisc: add the 'user' or 'users' mount option to fstab [07:13] /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom0 iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0 [07:13] SilentBob (~eth73@ool-182f6ee3.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:14] dripOl (~dripOl@81.13.156.68) left irc: "HapPy sLAckY" [07:14] SilentBob (~eth73@ool-182f6ee3.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:14] thsnks. [07:14] thanks. [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/20 e/- I/-] [07:15] lunchbox (~chris@c211-30-84-225.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [07:15] foureyes779 (~theron@63-228-100-62.tukw.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:16] how can I mount everything under /etc/fstab? 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[08:07] hi [08:08] how could i split some file into one [i mean i wanna append the content] [08:09] Tcl error in script for 'timer736330': [08:09] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [08:09] >> [08:09] yea [08:09] but i have many files [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:10] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.167.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:10] are you doing it in perl, bash, zsh? [08:10] etc [08:10] bash [08:10] well i can't remember for bash :-S only mostly use perl really [08:10] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit|cls [08:11] is there a command for sftp to copy files to a destination only where the existing file is older than the current file or not present? [08:12] alessio (~case@pbale.ifc.cnr.it) joined #linuxhelp. [08:12] help! [08:14] Action: spike calls 911 [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:15] bwlang (~bwlang@h00a0cc520a75.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:17] britt_radiofree (~Britt@mail.correctcareky.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:17] Spiekey (~spiekey@p50916F3E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:17] hi [08:17] easy question ... in a deb based distro which init script do i need to edit to prevent dbus from loading? [08:18] i have got a file with one line. about 22000 charakters. It was tranfered as a binary file. [08:18] how can i chage it back to ascii? [08:19] Spiekey: does it just have the wrong line ending characters? man tr [08:19] britt_radiofree: man update-rc.d [08:19] britt_radiofree: dbus is a service loaded at boot time, so u can find it in /etc/init.d/ [08:19] bwlang: nope, its one long line. [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:20] dwn_school (dwn@boron.cs.Dal.Ca) joined #linuxhelp. [08:21] spike, right, so update-rc.d will remove the service from the rc.d script, but not remove the actual script in /init/init.d right? [08:21] Spiekey: well... look at it with a hex editor. if it was ascii once and was tranferred in binary mode then the only difference is wheter crlf has been changed to cr or lf [08:21] britt_radiofree: exactly [08:22] Britt_ (~Britt@mail.correctcareky.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:22] britt_radiofree: on my system dbus does not put anything into rc.d... but hotplug refers to it.... you might want to work on hotplug [08:22] spike, sorry, dropped connection ... you reply? [08:23] Britt_: exactly :) [08:24] bwlang, I'll check it out ... are init.d scripts ever called form other scripts? What I'm saying is, if dbus has it's own init.d script, this means it's probably being called from a rc.d right? [08:24] help [08:24] how many subdirectory can a directory contains? [08:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:25] Britt_: uh... yes - but only if there are links in /rcN.d [08:25] alessio: lots... depends on your filesystem [08:25] ext3 [08:26] 65000? [08:26] 20000? [08:26] Dralock (~dralock@63.149.136.9) joined #linuxhelp. [08:26] where can I see? [08:26] alessio: i don't know off hand... try google ext3 inode number max - or something like that. [08:27] actually ext2 might be more fruitful... since there's no difference re: # of files /dir [08:27] Action: spike throws a df -i in [08:27] Hey kids, I have a sendmail question: For some reason I have about 30 sendmail processes going at once with the format sendmail: ./iAFGsWu23204 root@localhost: RCPT To: . My mqueue is at 27 megs. Are all these processes sendmail trying to catch up with what is in the queue? Or does this indicate something else going on with the server. The entire server is being bogged down from this crap. Any help appreciated. [08:29] Er, any help _IS_ appreciated I should say. [08:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [08:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:30] jhammel (500@eecs-wlan-52.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [08:30] Dralock: why/what is root sending out in such quantity? [08:30] solus (~martin@as1-2-3.sgp.lk.bonet.se) left #linuxhelp. [08:31] seems like spam to these bogus addresses at this valid vhost on the server. [08:32] that root! what a joker [08:33] Dralock: your root account is spamming your vhosts? That doesn't sound good. [08:34] Yeah, I know. [08:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:35] are you running anti-spam or anti-virus software? [08:35] Hrm, ok, it seems to have stopped since I asked the question 7 minutes ago. [08:36] Er, thanks for the help. [08:37] dark_one (~tom@cpc1-warw5-6-0-cust84.brhm.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:37] dark_one (~tom@cpc1-warw5-6-0-cust84.brhm.cable.ntl.com) left #linuxhelp ("Kopete 0.9.1 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [08:38] Dralock: let me encourage you not to just ignore this because it went away... [08:38] I'm not [08:38] Dralock: let me second that. [08:38] I still have to figure out what happened. [08:38] because my mqueue is still 27009024 bytes [08:38] and the question is why there would be 30 sendmail processes running at once. [08:39] britt_radiofree (~Britt@mail.correctcareky.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] does anyone know of a good distribution for an old MIPS based SGI machine? [08:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:40] Dralock: if you find this is tough to debug try exim... works well for me. [08:40] bwlang: Yeah, I want to put the server on exim, but it the server is running a web appliance, and I can't disrupt the programs it uses. [08:40] :-/ [08:41] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. 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[08:48] Dralock: does the server provide access to web forms? [08:49] jhammel (500@eecs-wlan-52.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:51] Fiver: None backed by anything on the "root" server. I allow people with vhosts to have cgi/perl/python/php scripts, but those are contained by each virtual server that is set up through the appliance. [08:52] PyroBoy10 (~ryan@68-174-240-194.hvc.rr.com) left #linuxhelp. [08:52] alessio (~case@pbale.ifc.cnr.it) left #linuxhelp. [08:53] irvken (~sean@82-32-98-185.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:53] octan (~octan@213.161.164.111) left irc: "Leaving" [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] mrbeen_ (~benj@62.79.71.117.adsl.vj.tiscali.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] norky: i boot the cd and it says 36 gig hd and 3 gig in use, so i start to make the image but when around 10-20% it says not enough room [09:01] norky: Where do i need to save the image do i need another HD attached for this? [09:01] bobbie (~toot@host-80-76-195-221.bytel.net.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:02] were do i find the apache config file on debian? plz [09:02] mrbeen_: er, saving an image of a device on to that same device is a circular problem, so yes :) [09:02] mrbeen_: I normally use an NFS mounted drive to save iamges [09:03] partimage also has a network server that you run on a server with some disk space spare [09:03] it's the same as ghost, trying to save an image on to a drive of which you are macking an image is crazy :) [09:03] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:03] mrbeen_: I still think you should be using kickstart though [09:04] green_earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:04] ah [09:04] why is kickstart better [09:04] is there a way to save complete system table and everything so it also creates the swap drive etc.. ? [09:04] mrbeen_: what distro do you have? Fedora, right? [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:05] slackware [09:05] main drive + swap drive [09:06] oh, never mind, kickstart is a fedora/redhat thing [09:06] jhammel_ (~jhammel@soda1am.Equip.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:06] slackware might have its own automated install routine [09:06] yeah, tar -zxvf [09:06] heh [09:06] you're the guy that wants to install Linux onto a dozen machines, right? [09:06] you're the guy that wants to install Linux onto a dozen identical machines, right? [09:08] jhammel_ (500@eecs-wlan-52.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [09:09] yup [09:09] so it is to slow [09:09] to do manually [09:09] so if someone messes up the setup [09:09] i can easily preaload it [09:09] can partimage do this? [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:12] Nick change: _matt -> matt_ [09:13] yes, I think however there may be another way [09:14] you can make the normal slackware installer run in 'automated' mode, perhaps [09:14] try asking in #slackware [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:15] "I want to do several identical installs of slackware onto a dozen machines, with the option to easily reload any of them shoudl someone break them later. What's the easiest way to do this? 'Cloning' wiith partimage or Norton Ghost, or is there some other option?" [09:15] _sho_ (~eriktest@209.239.38.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] Yeah [09:17] I would ghost personally [09:17] bobbie (~toot@host-80-76-195-221.bytel.net.uk) left irc: [09:18] mrbeen_: FAI is the best thing around to do this kind of things [09:18] though a distributed network install could be good. [09:18] spike: FAI? [09:18] is there anything like gtk-qt-engine which lets you use GTK themes in KDE? [09:19] most of the big clusters are installed using FAI, same goes for large offices and so on [09:19] spike: FAI? :) [09:19] FAI (Fully Automatic Installation) [09:19] spike: is that a slackware feature? [09:19] Norky: debian ;) [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:20] oh, slack, I didn't read about it, just noticed the "wants to install Linux onto a dozen identical machines" thing [09:20] Norky freshmeat.net search slackcheck ; does just what you asked [09:20] spiek, I use kickstart and network booting to install RHEL onto cluster machines, it's highly automated [09:20] newbien: tell mrbeen_ :) [09:20] ty though [09:20] Norky: thanks [09:21] Norky: "it's similar but better than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat" [09:21] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:21] Norky: ;P [09:21] slackcheck [09:21] will try [09:21] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:21] Norky: does RHEL work any better than RH desktop (before such was replace by pos Fedora) [09:21] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:22] jhammel_: I've never tried RH desktop (thought I have d/led) [09:23] and honestly, I like Fedora, I run it on 4 or 5 desktop machines and a couple of severs (though the frequent revision changes get annoying for servers sometimes) and it's fine [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:25] frog (~magdalena@wbbi010.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:26] netbots: error - update check recipients 'YourNick' are invalid. [09:26] StevenR (~foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:27] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: "leaving" [09:28] Tcl error in script for 'timer738287': [09:28] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [09:29] I'm thinking of going debian on some servers here. Does FAI involve the use of a text file with answers to all the installation questions (partitioning, LVM, package selection, login authentication (NIS) ) and allow me to boot a system off a network and give the install "init" program arguments to use FAI so that installation is totally non-interactive? [09:29] hedjak (~hedjak@160.129.59.219) joined #linuxhelp. [09:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [09:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:30] Norky: yes [09:31] debian is gooood :) [09:31] groovy, might be work a whirl on a cluster [09:31] StevenR (~foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:31] spike: I've no doubt about that, but then Fedora is goood too ;) [09:31] blah :P [09:31] Indal (~hidihi@noc.mistral.net) left irc: [09:32] I have debian on one desktop box here, with the intention that I learn it, but really I've done very little with it so far ;) [09:32] dpkg/apt tools annoy me, but only because I'm not used to them yet :) [09:32] just kidding, never tried fedora myself, I just had an experience with an old red-hat a while ago and that's all [09:32] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.167.stowetel.com) left irc: "bye" [09:33] Sengaia (~asym@217.145.1.186) joined #linuxhelp. [09:34] bye folks, off home [09:34] Norky (~dan@154.32.36.31) left irc: "shell script is only free to those whose variable has no value" [09:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:36] Ok, follow up for everyone that has helped me in the past hour: I got a friend of mine over to check out what was going on. He said that one of my vhosts was getting joe-jobbed and that all the root-sent messages were actually a double-bounced mail. My mqueue is still 27 megs, but I am able to function now at least, and he says that I have to wait till the queue has run itself down. [09:37] Hey anyone know if xine can use ffmpeg? [09:37] Thanks for all the help people, I was hoping someone wasn't sending with my box. It appears we were just victims for a bit. [09:37] hedjak: xine uses ffmpeg internally [09:37] wtf is joe-jobbed? [09:37] I have no idea. [09:38] lol [09:38] Triskelios: thanks [09:38] He had to go before I asked him, I'm looking it up now. [09:38] linuxfreck (~freck@fry.fmi.uni-passau.de) joined #linuxhelp. [09:39] ah, here we go: [09:39] "A spam run forged to appear as though it came from an innocent party, who is then generally flooded by the bounces; or, the act of performing such a run." [09:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:40] jhammel_ (500@eecs-wlan-52.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:40] gliss (~kermit@hollis.rh.rit.edu) left irc: Client Quit [09:40] dict joe-jobbed [09:40] no definition found [09:41] heh [09:41] http://searchcio.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid19_gci917469,00.html [09:41] probably a relatively recently coined term [09:41] heh, 1996 [09:41] I guess I'm not up on my buzz-words [09:42] god, trying to combine these PDFs and both imagemagick and ghostscript are butchering the PDFs [09:42] can't figure out wtf is wrong w/ this [09:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:46] louish (~louis@hssxpa142-165-140-167.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [09:46] halffast (~halffast@helsinki.cc.gatech.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [09:47] hey I have 2 processes running on a school linux machine, but I need to leave.. is there any way I can close my ssh connection, but keep them running? [09:47] backgrounding won't do the trick, right? [09:47] screen [09:47] halffast - man screen [09:48] CarlK: thanks! [09:48] halffast well... [09:48] you can't do screen after the fact :( [09:49] halffast: nohup will also do the same thing, but again can't use it after the fact. [09:49] CarlK: oh, so you'd have to have a terminal connected elsewhere [09:49] unplug the monitor and put an "out of order" note on it [09:49] halffast: screen may be a little more elegate. nohup is quick/dirty [09:49] lol [09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:50] halffast - you start by running screen, then you start your processes, then you can "disconnect" and close the ssh connection [09:50] hmm.. I can ssh into my machine at home [09:50] oh, I see.. cool [09:50] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) joined #linuxhelp. [09:50] so you start a fake terminal connection? [09:51] I mean, why would they allow you to do that? [09:51] I wouldn't call it fake... [09:51] they=evil admins [09:52] not sure what admins good or evil have to do with it either [09:52] halffast: well, unless "they" are complete facists, there's nothing wrong with running jobs even if your not logged on (e.g. cron) [09:52] if I could connect to the same machine from another machine, maybe I could transfer the jobs between them somehow [09:52] Tryfan (~tryfan@i216-58-84-210.avalonworks.net) left irc: [09:52] not that I know of [09:52] Dralock (~dralock@63.149.136.9) left #linuxhelp. [09:52] woop.. 1 of th ejobs finished. maybe this will solve itself [09:53] if you are a super hackor, you might be able to hijack your connection ;) [09:53] Gartt_ (~brian@ip68-9-195-135.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:53] Gartt (~brian@ip68-9-195-135.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:53] thanks guys.. I'll remember screen for next time [09:53] but that is a big if and might [09:53] now I'll just be a jerk and lock the machine, maybe [09:53] screen is really nice [09:54] I hate when people do that though.. and always enjoy rebooting them [09:54] its too bad that you can't make it automatic [09:54] louish (~louis@hssxpa142-165-140-167.sasknet.sk.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [09:54] I imagine all the important unsaved things they had running.. [09:54] if I have a primary partition of 8gb, sda1 (fat32), and the rest contains my gnu/linux partitions, I should be able to install Windows 2000 or XP on the 1st partition, and later restore bootability into Debian with GRUB (when booting from a CD), right? [09:54] peppo yup [09:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:55] XP runs on Fat32? [09:55] hmm.. guess so [09:55] er, or ntfs, doesn't matter [09:55] CarlK, thanks [09:55] I think it runs on both ntfs and fat32 [09:56] both [09:57] so fat32 is certainly preferrable as that's the only fs the Linux kernel reliably writes to, right? [09:57] desertfish (~desertfis@12.7.82.26) joined #linuxhelp. [09:57] hi. Anyone know how to grep the list of apt-get packages? is there a list function for apt-get? [09:58] peppo: unfortunatly yes. You lose the acls in XP tho. [09:58] halffast (~halffast@helsinki.cc.gatech.edu) left irc: "Client Exiting" [09:58] acls? [09:58] that ntfs provides [09:58] access control lists. file secutiry [09:58] oh, no matter. only going to use it to play hl2 [09:59] Norky (~dan@byzantium.force9.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:00] just keep in mind that the security isn't as "good" without the filesystem security. Think the equiv of all your files being chmod 777 [10:00] In XP only I mean [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:01] MegaByte (1000@200217021122.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [10:02] linuxfreck (~freck@fry.fmi.uni-passau.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:03] louis_ (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:03] abcdef (icechat5@wbar23.lax1-4.27.7.243.lax1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:04] Anyone here know about any packet analysers for linux [10:04] What's a packet analyser ought to do? [10:04] analyse the contents of a packet :) [10:04] squidly (~squidly@pcp05310935pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:05] Hm so similar to iptables? [10:05] well this one does some reporting an provides valuable info [10:05] I don't know of any, but I'm sure there are :) [10:05] I have some guy trying to tunnel through my network. I want to know what is the nature of those packets [10:06] haha tx dan [10:06] heyrhett (~swiftrhet@MITERCAM.MIT.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [10:06] Oh, so you need a sniffer? [10:06] tcpdump? [10:06] anyone know a good email solution? [10:06] yep, there's tcpdump and some frontends... [10:06] heyrhett: client server ? [10:06] ethereal for a good gui sniffer [10:06] server [10:06] I have the sniffer. I need some kind of security tool that will analyse them [10:06] sara_poo (~Sara@ip24-250-14-227.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:07] sara_poo (~Sara@ip24-250-14-227.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:07] and maybe client [10:07] heyrhett: Well, there's sendmail and postfix, for example... [10:07] heyrhett: sendmail is the oldest one still in use and most of the server run it, but you also have qmail [10:07] I have ethereal. I have the packets. I'm looking for some rule based system that will tell me what thi user is actually trying to do [10:07] abcdef: check out ethereal. But you may need a good book on tcp/ip as well. ;) [10:07] so, what i usually do is put a bunch of domains on a server, and make user accounts and use pine [10:07] heyrhett: qmail is alot easier to work with then sendmail [10:07] abcdef: ohhhh, I see. Okay, again, no clue ;) [10:07] i usually use sendmail [10:07] hedjak. I understand tcp-ip [10:07] heyrhett: why ask then ? [10:08] i'm thinking of maybe qmail and I suspose I should get away from user accounts [10:08] for security [10:08] heyrhett: that's a good idea [10:08] or postfix and squirrel webmail [10:08] i dunno [10:09] i like pine, is it really insecure to have users? [10:09] hedjak: Do you know of any add ons for etherreal, that will do a more detailed analysis of the packet contents. Like for example, if this guy is actually tunneling his http requests over this upd connection to a proxy outside [10:09] abcdef, tcpflow and tcpdump are what you want [10:09] nothing is better [10:09] heyrhett: it's not as save as having no users, but to call it insecure ... [10:09] thebag (~thebag@dsl-62-10.aei.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:09] heyrhett, I think I need something more advanced [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:10] peppo (~slumpmass@h81172181161.kund.kommunicera.umea.se) left irc: "quit" [10:10] they give you everything [10:10] abcdef: try with advanced networking howto :) [10:10] you mean, like you want some ai abc? [10:10] once u understand it, u'll be alb eto read tcpdump output [10:10] eagle_ (~eagle@dma166.resnet.ust.hk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:10] don't screw with etherreal [10:11] heyrhett: no, he wants something that does the sysadmin job :) [10:11] where is the insecurity in having users? [10:11] tcpflow stores the data in a way that is convenient for protocol analysis . Now I need the protocol analysis tool [10:11] if i'm all of the users [10:11] AI is what I need. exactly. Thanks [10:12] Is there a network security channel around here somewhere :) [10:12] abcdef: #security [10:13] potato (~potato@200.127.117.229) joined #linuxhelp. [10:13] does anybody know if there's any way to compress the data that's being transferred between a NFS or Samba server and a client ? [10:14] potato (~potato@200.127.117.229) left irc: Client Quit [10:14] Celestar (~Celestar@pD9E4EE3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:14] hey Celestar [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:15] hi spi [10:15] louish (~louis@hssxpa142-165-140-167.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:15] hi spike [10:15] hows life? [10:15] louis_ (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:15] louish (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:15] Kiluminati (~edgy4@u212-239-163-12.adsl.pi.be) joined #linuxhelp. [10:19] Celestar: busy :) [10:19] Celestar: yours? [10:19] same [10:19] Master thesis in final phase [10:19] ehehe, thought so [10:19] oh, good [10:19] what's it about? [10:19] fortran? :P [10:19] yeah [10:19] numerical fluid mechanics [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:20] sounds fun but for the fortran thingie :) [10:20] hehe [10:24] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) left irc: "Just died" [10:24] chaosTheory (~chaos@user-uive85m.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:35] does the arts sound daemon have the same issues as esd? [10:36] depends on which issues [10:36] all of them have issues, just use alsa and forget sound daemons [10:37] i guess the real solution is to have a decent sound card that can mux, right? [10:37] irvken (~sean@82-32-98-185.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:37] desertfish: all of them have issues, just use alsa and forget about sound daemons [10:37] eeer [10:38] hedjak: all of them have issues, just use alsa and forget about sound daemons [10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:40] anyway, I'm off, need a break. later [10:40] Anyone versed in rpm building? [10:40] (aka into s&m lol) [10:42] spike (~spike@spike.user) left irc: "connection reset by " [10:42] But seriously, would anyone know why rpmbuild seems to refuse to classify links to library as a "provide" on certain libraries? [10:42] s/libraries/packages [10:42] lol fluid mechanics [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:45] grem_work (~coltf@akoko.physics.montana.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [10:48] _sho_ (~eriktest@209.239.38.110) joined #linuxhelp. [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:54] niku (~nick@65.116.140.51) joined #linuxhelp. [10:54] For anybody that is a slackware user ==> ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt [10:54] anyone know how to get around an apt-get upgrade choking on GPG signature errors? [10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:55] thanks for the heads up SiegeX [10:55] desertfish, you *DONT* want to do that [10:55] desertfish: I wouldn't [10:55] Action: fred87 echo's SiegeX's "Read This!" [10:55] send the maintainer an email and check [10:55] Here is a mirror: http://uml.axpr.net/ [10:56] yikes! OK. What would cause that? [10:57] someone replacing the package with a trojan. [10:57] eagle_ (~eagle@dma166.resnet.ust.hk) left irc: Client Quit [10:58] Should I specify a different mirror? [10:58] try it [11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:00] Writing user file... [11:00] Writing channel file... [11:00] my father is a doctor... i'll have him look at it. [11:00] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.92.88) joined #linuxhelp. [11:00] how do I install docbook-dsssl ? [11:00] MegaByte (1000@200217021122.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:00] thanks for the heads up again SiegeX [11:00] np [11:00] how do you change your mirror list for apt-get? [11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [11:01] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) joined #linuxhelp. [11:01] ah, with apt-get mirror-select [11:03] Tcl error in script for 'timer740708': [11:03] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [11:03] ok. now how do I clean out my package cache so I download new packages over the possibly corrupt ones? [11:03] cjo (cjo@metawire.org) joined #linuxhelp. [11:03] Nick change: cjo -> meta-ridley [11:04] ah, apt-get clean [11:04] StevenR (~foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [11:04] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:10] heviarti (heviarti@blackops.bigskytel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:10] Final try: Any bandwidth arbitrator users/admins here [11:11] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.92.88) left irc: "leaving" [11:11] oops. sry, I meant How can I disable VPN tunneling through my network [11:13] figure out what protocol it uses then block that using iptables [11:13] Do you meant like PPTP ? [11:14] ya [11:14] is that what it uses [11:14] ? [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:15] bthornton (~bthornton@wbar18.dal1-4.26.164.35.dal1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:15] Can anyone recommend a good, gnome-friendly DVD player out there? [11:15] well ethereal wont give me any ifo. I try decode as VLAN and it seems to be able to see some meaningful header info. cant find the decode as PPTH in there. Is there a definite way of figuring outr just by observing the traffic [11:16] which prefereably uses GTK+ [11:16] Basically the packets are seen as UPD packets [11:17] im really not very familar with VPN's but I know that the GRE protocol is one that is widely used. so try something like this. [11:18] iptables -A FORWARD -p 47 -j DROP [11:18] protocol 47 is GRE [11:18] I see [11:19] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:19] Tx. Lets see if it works [11:19] adavan (~unknown@clt74-70-009.carolina.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/172 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/172 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:20] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:21] abcdef: if not, try -p 50, thats IPSec which is another common protocol for VPN's [11:21] might wanna use both actually, cant hurt [11:21] testing1235 (~president@wbs-222-60.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [11:21] Nick change: Triskelios -> Trisk[class] [11:22] siegeX Wouldnt that prevent users who use IPSEC without tunneling [11:23] And would it still work, if this guy is tunneling his packets to the VPN router over UDP packets [11:23] bthornton (~bthornton@wbar18.dal1-4.26.164.35.dal1.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:23] well you can tunnel using ssh, and even ppp over ssh. i think i read about some guy using udp [11:24] Tcl error in script for 'timer743617': [11:24] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/173 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/173 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:25] if thats the case you'd have to look at the packet headers and see if you can filter on anything that would mark it a possible VPN packet [11:25] oddbudman (~odd@c210-49-61-240.rochd1.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: No route to host [11:25] I seem to haev a guy who is using UDP, probably to escape detection or the network policies. [11:25] hmmm i execute a boot script that needs two pppd's to be up and connected to isps to get their ip addys. problem is the boot script executes early on in the boot sequence before the pppd's have actually connected to my isps. is their a way to delay execution of this boot script until both pppds are up and connected? [11:25] siegeX: Well I tried ethereal. and tried to decode as VLAN. It seems to decode the data as a VLAN packet [11:26] siegeX: the data inside the udp packet as a VLAN packet [11:27] hmm. so as far as you know, without trying to brute force decode the data, there is nothing in the headers that say this isnt your normal UDP packet? [11:27] exactly. So I came here looking for a tool that would help me decode the sniffed stream [11:27] Ethereal just isnt smart enough [11:28] he could possible be using this http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/vpn-udp/ [11:28] Finally someone understands me :) [11:29] SiegeX: I am quite sure he is doing UDP, as he is using a cisco 3030 vpn router at the far end, and port 10000. Google easily reveals that some routers allow that. In fact 10000 is a commonly used port. So circumstantial evidence does convict him. Point is now I dont know how to stop him except blocking him completely [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/172 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/172 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:31] http://mail.nessus.org/pipermail/nessus/2003-May/msg00018.html [11:33] abcdef: well how about a pretty specific ban to the cisco 3030 ip, DPT 10000 and proto UDP. send him off an email telling him that you know what he is doing and that you have hard evidence of the fact (even if you do not) and if he would like to set up a VPN you must go through you (or whomever has the auth) first. And let him confess it [11:33] sorta like detective misdirection [11:33] Dralock (~dralock@63.149.136.9) joined #linuxhelp. [11:33] HAHA. Sounds like fun [11:33] then let him know he is being monitored. and see if you see the same packets but perhaps to a diff port [11:33] Hey everybody, another quick question. What do you do when you can't "rm" a directory? [11:33] Smileee (~mark@220.245.217.223) left irc: Connection timed out [11:34] is this a university account by any chance? [11:34] Dralock: whats the error message? [11:34] FTTP (~FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:34] Well its similar. Its a univ residential complex [11:34] linux amazes me....... i was looking at screenshots of all linux distros....... its amazing how linux has progressed [11:34] hedjak: well, there isn't one, it just closes my bash session. [11:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/173 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/173 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:35] So the business model is very different [11:35] hedjak: when I use the command "rm -rf /path/to/directory/*" [11:35] im using ubuntu now, needs a new installer and stuff but very very nice and STABLE :) [11:35] I see, I know what your talking about because when I was at USC we had the same deal [11:35] Well I'm not too far away at UCLA [11:35] hedjak: it freezes the server up when I use "rm -rf /path/to/direcory" [11:35] Bri525 (~siBri525@169.232.148.181) joined #linuxhelp. [11:35] FTTP: and most people don't even know linux exists (yet) [11:35] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [11:35] Btw trojans have come a long way ;) [11:36] im sure somewhere there is a policy that persistant abuse of the network may be punished by eviction and/or suspension/expulsion [11:36] Dralock: yikes. Sounds similar to a readline bug I had a while back [11:36] MegaByte (1000@200222215091.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [11:36] Dralock: what version of readline you using (in case that's it) [11:36] abcdef: you know, the admin of the USC Linux Cluster hangs out in #mandrake [11:36] hedjak: Hrm, you know I don't know. Its RH 7.2.....I'll have to look it up [11:36] name is Garrick, great guy. he might know a thing or two that I dont [11:36] thoreauputic ur in linuxhelp too? :) [11:36] FTTP: yeah, there's no escape ;-) [11:36] thoreauputic: I love osnews.com's screenshots [11:37] errr osdir.com sorry [11:37] Dralock: hrm, I dont recall rh7.2 having that specific issue [11:37] alot of distros use similar codebases [11:37] Well the fact is that inherently there is nothing wrong with using a VPN over this network, but by doing that he seems to be overriding our bandwidth management policies. So I guess the only option is to deny everyone VPN access [11:37] FTTP: haven't looked at that... [11:37] its amazing how similar they are [11:37] abcdef: ya they really have, now only if they can relocate the entire campus on top of Pepperdine where it was originally supposed to be built [11:37] Kewl. I'll see if I can get him [11:37] =) [11:37] FTTP: of course - what would you expect? :) [11:37] update-rc.d test-script defaults [NN | NN-start NN-stop] <- what do i set [NN | NN-start NN-stop] too to delay the script execution as long as possible? [11:37] thoreauputic: All the code is opensourced so they all feed off of the same pool [11:37] eKo1 (~abc@63.245.57.70) joined #linuxhelp. [11:38] FTTP: they are all linux, after all [11:38] SiegeX: that would be a killer location [11:38] thats for debian [11:38] SiegeX: especially away from where they are at now [11:38] thoreauputic: no i mean like u can tell what is redhat based, what is debian based, etc.. [11:38] hi there.,... [11:38] what perms should /var/spool/mqueue have? [11:38] thoreauputic: A few use the anaconda installer blah blah [11:38] hedjak: yeah, this is something that has manifested only in the past day. I am trying to clear out my mqueue directory after getting joe-jobbed so my server can return to normal. The wierd thing is, even after I let it 'run' using the directory delete version, it will lock the system up, and when I reboot, I will have deleted nothing. [11:38] Dralock: in case it is readline (a shot in the dark but whatever), try setting your process memory usage limit with ulimit and then try the command again [11:38] ya. its real nice while you are on campus, but 1 block south, east or west and it gets ghetto [11:39] thoreauputic: One still uses Caldera lizard installer which is so outdated [11:39] lizard was the 1st gui installer i think tho [11:39] hedjak: ok, thanks [11:39] Dralock: hrm, that's nasty. if it's only jst started, then it's probably not the old readline issue. is there anything in the systems logs? [11:39] ^wolf^ (~wolf@pD9E30EF0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:39] Dralock: e.g. hardware timeouts, etc [11:39] the thing is they cant come through will a buldozer and rebuild alot of those houses because they have been marked by the city as landmarks or some stupid thing like that even though they are hidious [11:39] FTTP: yes, I follow - of course anyone is free to use anything open: for instance since suse/novell open-sourced YAST there are projects to port it to debian etc. [11:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:40] hedjak: Hrm, I don't know, let me check. Thanks for the idea. I am hoping my raid isn't degrading. [11:40] Dralock: software or hardware raid [11:40] SiegeX: hardware, raid level 5. [11:41] FTTP: actually I seem to remember the lizard installer lets you play patience while it installs... heh [11:41] i see, if it were software I was going to suggest using mdadm to monitor it [11:41] thoreauputic solitare [11:41] but yeah [11:41] thoreauputic they should standardize on 2 GUI installers [11:41] SiegeX: thanks for the idea. [11:41] like you have kde and gnome [11:41] 2 guis [11:41] then u can have your smaller installers sure [11:41] FTTP: "they" is "us" [11:42] thoreauputic want to come out with an installer project ? :) [11:42] abcdef: heh I just had a funny idea [11:42] FTTP: you use linux, you are part of the "us" [11:42] SiegeX: lemme hear it [11:42] thoreaputic: A project to standardize installation would be good actually [11:42] abcdef: tell him you'll sue him via the DMCA by circumventing your bandwidth policies ;) [11:42] Question: I have a mystery computer with two harddrives. However, I don't know whether they are ide or scsi? One drive is on sda and the other on sdb. Does that mean these drives are scsi? [11:43] FTTP: some people would disagree vehemently [11:43] eKo1: more than likely [11:43] hedjak: I don't seem to have a man entry for ulimit...What is a conservative perameter that I can set it to that will allow me to delete a 27MB directory? [11:43] SiegeX: lmao [11:43] thoreaputic and people can use whatever they want, thats why its opensource :) [11:43] SiegeX: sounds scary [11:43] Dralock: ulimit is actually built into bash [11:43] SiegeX: But ykno these ucla students are no dummies [11:43] Dralock: might want to check logs 1st if you haven't already [11:43] FTTP: yes, hence the variety. It has good and bad points [11:44] that is true especially if this guy has his own VPN concentrator and was wise enough to use UDP [11:44] thoreauputic i havent yet found an installer i liked, though anaconda looks the nicest [11:44] But on dmesg I have: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:DMA. I'm confused. [11:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:45] FTTP: I couldn't care less about installers, frankly - I run debian and I doubt I will ever have to use one again until this machine dies [11:46] FTTP: I can just update it / dist-upgrade it [11:46] SiegeX : You'v been quite a help. Thanks a lot. And hope you get better. SOON [11:46] eKo1: well, check the rest of what dmesg reports. Is there scsi adapter and scsi hdd information there? Are there multiple (ide/scsi) devices attached to the box? [11:47] abcdef: thanks, but im not sick ;) [11:47] Patrick ala Slackware is the sick one [11:47] thoreauputic yep true [11:47] daniel (daniel@daniel.user) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] MetaCosm (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) left irc: No route to host [11:48] hedjak: There's a lot of scsi stuff in dmesg. The line I showed previously is the only line having 'hda' in dmesg. [11:49] eKo1: well it's more than possible the machine has both [11:49] norg (norg@246.193.33.65.cfl.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/177 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/177 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:50] niku (~nick@65.116.140.51) left irc: "Client exiting" [11:51] hedjak: 'fdisk -l' shows only sda and sdb. Where did hda go? [11:53] GoGi (~gogi@pD95DB2F1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:53] is there a way to fill all the unused data in an ext2-filesystem with zeroes? [11:54] [pkh] (~kvirc@118.Red-213-97-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:54] eKo1: is it posible that your kernel doesn't have ide hard disk support? [11:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/176 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/176 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:55] daniel (daniel@daniel.user) joined #linuxhelp. [11:55] GoGi: why? [11:55] Spiekey (~spiekey@p50916F3E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [11:56] I want to compress it [11:56] nmatrix9 (~nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:56] SiegeX: Well I dont know about sick, but you definitely are SICK ;) [11:56] hmm.. [11:57] hah, now your talking like you went to USC, i thought you westwood boys didnt use such slang ;) [11:57] GoGi: so just tar it and gz it or bz2 it - I don't see the need [11:57] eKo1: cd/dvd drive(s) attached to the machines? [11:58] haha [11:58] spart (~spart@CPE0050bae68b79-CM0011aea10c2c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:58] hedjak: Hrm, it appears that nothing has timed out in dmesg or boot.log. This is only one directory that this is happening to though. Its really rather strange. [11:59] Dralock: is strange. what filesystem type is it? [11:59] thoreauputic: are you sure that it will preserve EVERYTHING? [11:59] ext2 [11:59] what about ext2 attributes? [11:59] Dralock: nasty way would be to unlink the dir and then let fsck clean up the mess. Dont recommend that though... [11:59] hedjak: Yeah, one CDROM. [12:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:00] Writing user file... [12:00] Writing channel file... [12:00] GoGi: ? sorry you've lost me. tar.gz or bz2 is pretty reliable afaik [12:00] I was going to use bz2 anyway [12:00] drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 27009024 Nov 16 13:29 mqueue [12:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [12:00] GoGi: this is the list: drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 27009024 Nov 16 13:29 mqueue [12:00] I mean - aren't there things that tar doesn't save? [12:00] bleck [12:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [12:01] stupid putty copy-paste [12:01] nmatrix9 (~nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:01] sry for the repeate [12:01] Like attributes set with chattr [12:01] they seem to be ext2-specific [12:01] testing1235 (~president@wbs-222-60.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Connection timed out [12:01] dmesg says: cdrom: open failed. That sucks. [12:02] GoGi: i dont recall if tar will handle those. I tend to think not. Might need to look at dump or similar. [12:02] Dralock: yikes, how many files are in that dir? [12:02] GoGi (~gogi@pD95DB2F1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [12:02] jhammel (500@eecs-wlan-36.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [12:03] hedjak: 27megs worth [12:03] er, sorry, gigs [12:03] Dralock: not size, number of files. [12:03] I don't know, I can't list it. [12:03] outlier (~mothas@209-198-172-235-host.prismnet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:03] :) [12:03] ah... [12:03] crap [12:04] I can't touch this thing with regular bash commands. [12:04] is that a separate fs? [12:04] No, its ext2 as well. [12:04] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:04] hrm, explains why it barfs... [12:04] the entire server is, in fact, I hate how this server is set up. [12:04] does anyone know if emerge for gentoo can install a tar.gz file? [12:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/176 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/176 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:05] ah, that sucks... [12:05] chase: why not just untar it yourself? [12:05] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:05] Dralock, cause someone once told me that can mess up portage and then its easyer to remove it if portage installed it [12:06] then install it via portage [12:06] er, install the program via portage [12:06] Dralock: hmm...is rebuilding the machine out of the question? [12:06] Nick change: kreg1 -> kreg [12:06] Oh man, that would be terrible, but no, I could rebuild the thing. [12:06] bakercp (~bakercp@x84-156-167.wireless.umn.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [12:07] Dralock: thing is, you *could* unlink the dir and then let fsck clean up. BUT if there are bazillions of files (as it appears) then that could take a LONG time. And it would be nasty/hazerdous. [12:08] I can deal with a long time [12:08] personally, if it were me I'd use it as an excuse to rebuild/upgrade. [12:09] rh7.2 is pretty old [12:09] Yes, yes it is. [12:09] But web appliance software is very specific about its requirements. [12:09] ah...ok, wasn't aware of that [12:09] Thanks for all the help though, this is pretty amazing [12:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:10] er...this isn't a raidzone box is it? [12:10] I'm going to look for file-trashing software. [12:10] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:10] Nope, dell 2550 running ensim webppliance 3.39.12 [12:10] joony (~nisse@1-1-3-33a.has.sth.bostream.se) joined #linuxhelp. [12:10] or it might be 3.35.12, I can't remember. [12:10] Action: hedjak breathes huge sigh of relief [12:10] They don't update it anymore. [12:11] that might be incentive in itself to upgrade to something else [12:11] yeah [12:11] (be glad it's not raidzone) [12:11] heh [12:14] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] What is raidzone? [12:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/179 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/179 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:15] Smileee (~mark@220.245.216.43) joined #linuxhelp. [12:15] testing1235 (~president@wbs-204-46.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [12:15] they used (?) to sell a net appliance that was *supposed* to be turnkey. It had a half-TB for pretty cheap using IDE, and was linux-based. But their controller was propietary, and hence you *had* to used their custom kernel. [12:15] slashdot_ (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [12:16] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:16] Nick change: slashdot_ -> slashdot [12:16] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:16] i tought I fscked-up my wireless card...turns out, the network was just buggy [12:16] and people blame linux for everything [12:17] But they had no concept of security. I had to fix a box that had been hacked: script kiddie probably shat himself when he realized he'd gotten into a box w/ a half TB of empty disk. And then he f'd his rootkit and locked himself out (and filled the disk with empty files hahaha) [12:18] deleting several million files, even on reiser, took a *long* time [12:19] yeah [12:19] Ok, I just got an error message [12:19] "argument list too long" [12:19] heh [12:19] hehhe [12:19] Dralock: I hate that one... [12:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:20] yeah [12:20] wonder if xargs will even be able to handle that? [12:20] Ok, so I'm just going to make a script to do it all by letter [12:20] er, alpha-numeric grouping I should say [12:20] is there a command that lists files open on a system? [12:20] Dralock: can you do an ls mqueue | wc -l ? [12:21] eKo1 (~abc@63.245.57.70) left #linuxhelp. [12:21] desertfish: lsof [12:21] desertfish: check out lsof (list open filedescriptors) [12:21] what does wc -l do? [12:21] Dralock: counts # of lines [12:21] Heh [12:21] awesome! thanks, jhammel [12:21] Dralock: wordcount. actually you need an ls -1 mqueue | wc -l [12:22] jhammel: heh, you type faster than me. tnx! :) [12:22] its going, we'll see if it works [12:22] hedjak: must be the coffee ;) [12:22] I haven't had "ls" kick me out of my session yet. [12:23] MMMmmmMMm coffee [12:23] Dralock: need the -1 tho to insure that ls treats each filename as a line (for wc -l to work right) [12:23] Ok [12:23] this will take a while though [12:23] 838118 [12:23] Could any kind soul point me to a primer on how to boot windows from GRUB? [12:24] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-e05ae353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [12:24] outlier: you just set up a title directive, then specifiy the root device, and then do a chainload +1 . IIRC [12:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:25] the chainload bit is the key. Check the man/info pages, though. I'm a little rusty. [12:25] hedjak: Thanks [12:26] worst mpeg ever -> http://langmuir.nuc.berkeley.edu/~jhammel/rotating.mpg [12:26] hedjak: Heh, 838118 doesn't seem lthat bad [12:27] Dralock: no it doesn't. what is worrisome is the program failures. [12:27] jhammel: um...I dont think i want to click that link [12:28] hedjak: its not disgusting...just pointless opengl sctuff [12:28] jhammel: ...hopefully it isn't of opengl goatse or something. ;) [12:28] hedjak: so maybe THE WORST was an exaggeration [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:30] jhammel: ok, against my better judgement ;) I nabbed a copy. But it does nothing. [12:30] hedjak: should work with mplayer, at least. What are you using? [12:30] xine [12:30] lemme try newer version of xine though. [12:31] hedjak: works with my xine [12:32] yeah, newer version works fine. [12:32] hedjak: the question is -- was it worth the effort? ;) [12:33] well it depends on your intended purpose [12:34] hedjak: does boredom count as a purpose? [12:34] It probably wont win at siggraph. At least not without a techno soundtrack. [12:34] hedjak: oh its coming...i got Moby AND Ladytron working on it! [12:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:35] hedjak: and it'll star-wipe out at the end...what's cooler than that? [12:35] but if it was a personal proof-of-concept to either do opengl, or opengl captuing to mpeg or whatever, then I can't say it was a waste at all. Especially if you gained knoweldge in the process [12:35] sweet [12:36] hedjak: it was mainly a test of xvidcap, plus to have something to turn in for my graphics class in 2 hours [12:37] nice [12:37] yat, xine does matroska! [12:37] hedjak: well, pretty mediocre, but its nice of you to say so anyway [12:37] [pkh] (~kvirc@118.Red-213-97-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:38] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [12:38] bakercp (~bakercp@x84-156-167.wireless.umn.edu) left irc: Client Quit [12:39] dammnit! never try to mix stl vectors and lists [12:39] i messed up i need some serious help, i have hda1 and hda2, hda1 is my swap, hda2 is my / hda2 is ext3, have lots of data on it, i typed mkswap /dev/hda2 by accident, i havent shut down and i can still ls my / but it doesnt show anything, anyway i can get the data back? its important [12:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/183 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/183 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:40] <[pkh]> can someone suggest a good webmail package? [12:40] IMTheNachoMan: yikes! well over my head... [12:40] Hmm... [12:41] Gut reaction: I'd assume the mkswap overwrote the master inode info. I'd think you'd be able to get that back by checking one of the backups [12:41] abcdef (icechat5@wbar23.lax1-4.27.7.243.lax1.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: "(A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer" [12:41] how would i do that? [12:42] mlopes (~mlopes@213.13.205.6) joined #linuxhelp. [12:43] <[pkh]> IMTheNachoMan: there's definitely ways to get the data back, don't touch the machine till you get someone to help you. [12:43] <[pkh]> p.s. which distribution? [12:43] gentoo [12:43] hello! i'm looking for a nice IDE for programming C (gcc). any ideas? (besides vim + xterm...) [12:43] im not touching it [12:43] maybe.. kdevelop? eclipse + plugin? [12:43] mlopes: emacs + xterm [12:43] jedit is nice and simple, requires java be installed though [12:43] IMTheNachoMan: you *could* use dd to do the actual work, but you'd need to figure out where the alternate master inode is, and how big it is. [12:44] btw there are usually several copies of the master for this reason [12:44] i'm used to Java IDEs [12:44] But again, I'm not 100% certain of what mkswap actually does to the partition. [12:44] so, i miss some of its features while programming C :P [12:44] like visual debugging [12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/183 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/183 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:45] IMTheNachoMan: you say you can't list anything in the root, but ls works? or does it say "ls: command not found" [12:46] ls works but no files there [12:46] like it doesnt list anything [12:46] IMTheNachoMan: it mounts then? [12:47] well i had booted, then as root typed that command, should i put the live cd and boot from that then try to mount [12:47] [pkh] (~kvirc@118.Red-213-97-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:47] Pe920 (~Nicky@d198-166-22-94.abhsia.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:48] IMTheNachoMan: check the man page for e2fsck. There's a little info on specifying an alternate superblock [12:49] For filesystems with 1k blocksizes, a backup superblock can be found at block 8193; for filesystems with 2k blocksizes, at block 16384; and for 4k blocksizes, at block 32768. [12:49] something bout mke3fs -S [12:49] i dont know what to try w/o screweing it up [12:49] more [12:49] http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/mke2fs.8.html [12:49] I do not know if this will auto-fix the userblock though [12:49] IMTheNachoMan: also tune2fs might be handy...but its really above my head [12:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/183 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/183 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:50] ankur (~ankur@61.16.237.88) joined #linuxhelp. [12:50] well the forms have something [12:50] lemme try this [12:50] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154268&goto=nextnewest [12:50] read the last pst [12:50] same thing u said [12:52] i believe you'll need the -b and specify an alternate superblock [12:52] how do i figure out the alternate superblock [12:53] so then [12:53] try to do an e2fsck -n -b 8193 [12:54] e2fsck -b 8193 [12:54] Hikaru79 (~hikaru79@d57-4-59.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:54] the -n means it won't actually change anything. We just want to test. [12:54] ok [12:54] im having a problem with bind9. im trying to start it but it says its alreaady started. the stop command want work but its not giving me any error output. I also cant find a running proccess in ps -A can anyone help me [12:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/185 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/185 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:55] if 8193 doesnt work, then try 16384 or 32768 (see the pattern?) [12:55] so i could use mke2fs -n -b /dev/hda2 to find the backup [12:55] IMTheNachoMan: er, lemme chekc that [12:56] abcdef (icechat5@wbar23.lax1-4.27.7.243.lax1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:56] nono, e2fsck, not mke2fs [12:56] mke2fs will create a *new* filesystem [12:56] Any expert on load balancing multiple WAN connections out there [12:56] desertfish (~desertfis@12.7.82.26) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] ankur (~ankur@61.16.237.88) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] Additional backup superblocks can be determined by using the mke2fs program using the -n option to print out where the superblocks were created. The -b option to mke2fs, which specifies blocksize of the filesystem must be specified in order for the superblock locations that are printed out to be accurate. [12:57] If an alternative superblock is specified and the filesystem is not opened read-only, e2fsck will make sure that the primary superblock is updated appropriately upon completion of the filesystem check. [12:57] i dont understand that line [12:57] IMTheNachoMan: correction, mke2fs -S can be used to fix. BUT try it with -n as well for a dryrun 1st [12:58] ? [12:58] so i should run what first Additional backup superblocks can be determined by using the mke2fs program using the -n option to print out where the superblocks were created. The -b option to mke2fs, which specifies blocksize of the filesystem must be specified in order for the superblock locations that are printed out to be accurate. [12:58] If an alternative superblock is specified and the filesystem is not opened read-only, e2fsck will make sure that the primary superblock is updated appropriately upon completion of the filesystem check. [12:58] shit [12:58] sorry [12:58] adavan (~unknown@clt74-70-009.carolina.rr.com) left irc: "changing servers" [12:58] adavan (~unknown@clt74-70-009.carolina.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:58] should i run what first? e2fsck or mke2fs [12:58] to figure out the superblcok info [12:58] phillipc (~reformist@176-181.mam.umd.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [12:58] adavan (~unknown@clt74-70-009.carolina.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:59] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: ":wq!" [12:59] green_earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:59] im gonna hve to figure this out later i got class, man this sucks, [12:59] hmm... [12:59] il be back in a few [13:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:00] Writing user file... [13:00] Writing channel file... [13:00] IMTheNachoMan: what time will you be back? [13:00] Does anyone use multiple ISPs and load balance them to a single LAN [13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [13:01] mlopes (~mlopes@213.13.205.6) left irc: "Leaving" [13:02] quantillis (~pathway@donobi-18-11.ra.donobi.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:02] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "me is weg :x" [13:03] Anybody know of a program which requires unknown computers (tracked by MAC address) to get permission to access the web? This is simular to some of the Wireless Access Control programs... [13:03] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] Mebbe you can use some kind of radius authentication [13:04] look up RADIUS [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/180 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/180 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:05] Maybe. I have not yet looking into Radius. [13:05] green_earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [13:05] Is this a LAN or a WLAN [13:05] I will. But I'm very interested in this kind of control, and logging. [13:05] Well, it's going to end up being both. [13:06] I have a WLAN and RADIUS works fine for me [13:06] I was just wondering if there was already a project to provide this kind of thing. I'll look up Radius. [13:06] thoreauputic (~petros@wolax8-025.dialup.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:07] Did you mean permission as in some kind of login mechanism? [13:07] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:08] Here's the idea: I'm running a network at a school. We have a polocy against outside computers on our network, but it's going to happen much more often as computers (laptops) get cheaper. So, we want allow these rouge machines to access the internet, but we also want to log their MAC address... and make sure they've clicked on some kind of "Yes, I understand that the School is not resposible for any harm done to my PC, and I am resposable [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/181 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/181 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:10] quantillis: should be simple with some iptables, httpd, and a bunch of scripts [13:11] Well these users are not limited to just web access. They might use any kind of service on the internet [13:11] kasc: Yes, and no. The school is looking for a canned and maintained solution, if at all possible. [13:11] vpn+radius [13:11] VPN is the solution [13:11] VPN? [13:11] Virtual Private network [13:11] I know what it is. [13:11] Sm:)e. [13:11] haha [13:12] I guess I din understand the question [13:12] Alright, I'll do more research, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [13:12] Off to go RTFM. [13:12] quantillis (~pathway@donobi-18-11.ra.donobi.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:12] gluck [13:12] jhammel_ (500@eecs-wlan-86.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [13:13] anyone messed around with selinux? [13:13] Can somebody help me as well ;). Looking for multihoming solutions for linux [13:13] abcdef: multiple destinations are tricky. [13:13] abcdef: have you looked at iproute2? [13:13] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [13:14] Tcl error in script for 'timer744261': [13:14] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [13:14] jhammel (500@eecs-wlan-36.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] I know. It seems that current linux solutions look at static routing and depend on BGP [13:14] Causing frequently used sites to be routed through the same nic. Not ideal [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/181 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/181 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:15] iproute2 hmm [13:15] misc- (~foreach@202.168.52.201) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:15] yeah, can't say I know a whole lot about the routing capabilities of linux (beyond nat, edge, etc stuff) [13:16] abcdef: did you already work through lartc.org? [13:16] Yupp [13:16] It seems that current linux solutions look at static routing and depend on BGP [13:16] Causing frequently used sites to be routed through the same nic. Not idea [13:16] l [13:17] UQlev (~yuriy@ykulyev.logos.cy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:18] wow, maybe you need to talk to the ppl in #l33tlinuxnetworkinghelp. [13:18] j/k [13:18] str (~str@216.230.131.226) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [13:18] if i want to block an ip from connecting to my box do i just stick " 127.0.0.1 IPADDR" in /etc/hosts or "ALL: IPADDR1, IPADDR2, ..." in hosts.deny? which is the better method? [13:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: "leaving" [13:18] what other routing options are there for linux? [13:19] zebra routes [13:19] spart: use iptables. [13:19] spart: definately the latter [13:19] spart: iptables [13:19] abcdef: even with chapter 4.2.2.? [13:19] chaosTheory (~chaos@user-uive85m.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] hedjak Fiver not overkill to add a new rule to iptables to block each ip? [13:19] jhammel_ thx [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:20] Note that balancing will not be perfect, as it is route based, and routes are cached. This means that routes to often-used sites will always be over the same provider [13:20] Windoze has much better solutions available. sigh [13:20] spart: how many ips are we talking about? [13:20] Fiver well, only 10ish so far [13:20] spart: well, it depends on what kind of blocking you are doing. hosts.deny will block to services that use tcp_wrappers. iptables will block at the ip level [13:21] spart: then no, definitely not overkill [13:21] hedjak ah, thanks [13:21] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:23] hedjak: Whats new in iproute2, that might help [13:23] Fiver something like iptables -A INPUT -i $INTIF -s $BADADDR -j DROP [13:23] whats the best way to flush all the rules in "ip rule" in debian? [13:23] Fiver ... for each address ? [13:24] spart: assuming you're only blocking IPs on the internal interface that are destined for services running on that box, yes. [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/177 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/177 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:25] Fiver yeah, i meant $EXTIF :) [13:25] thx [13:26] format123456 (mirc32@ip64-75-147-50.dial.maui.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:27] Fiver hmm, if i want to block not only INPUT / but OUTPUT can i just omit the -A INPUT part of the rule ? [13:27] no [13:27] ... or would I have to write another for -A OUTPUT [13:27] you have to specify a chain [13:27] you'll need anothe rule [13:27] ok thanks [13:28] format123456 (mirc32@ip64-75-147-50.dial.maui.net) left #linuxhelp. [13:28] daniel (daniel@daniel.user) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:28] daniel (daniel@daniel.user) joined #linuxhelp. [13:28] Pe920 (~Nicky@d198-166-22-94.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:28] same applies to the FORWARD chain, if you want to DROP traffic between those IPs and boxes on the lan [13:28] I assume the first rule to match passes, so the block ip rules should go at the begining? [13:28] correct [13:28] you may want to use -I instead of -A for such cases [13:29] then it doesn't matter if the rule comes after some -A rules [13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [13:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/176 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/176 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:30] Fiver ah, runum... convenient [13:30] so for every ip i want to block i need an INPUT / OUTPUT and FORWARD rule ? [13:30] zomtec (~zomtec@p508109C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [13:31] phillipc (~reformist@176-181.mam.umd.edu) left irc: "g'day" [13:33] one rule for each case in which you want the traffic blocked, yes. [13:33] k thanks for your help [13:33] the alternative is to create a user-defined chain, and send all traffic from those 3 chains to your user defined chain. then you can make only one rule for each IP and at the end of the user-defined chain, return un-DROPped traffic to the chain from whence it came. [13:34] FTTP (~FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:34] dwolf (~unknown@adsl-208-191-39-3.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/176 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/176 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:35] tareslo` (~ek@194.126.143.130) joined #linuxhelp. [13:35] anyone know how I can split a pdf into parts? [13:35] split [13:35] as in ddifft pages [13:35] Fiver wonder which would be optimal [13:36] tareslo: or do you just care about smaller chunks [13:37] i want to split and read [13:37] maybe imagemagick can help me [13:38] dwolf (~unknown@adsl-208-191-39-3.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:39] tareslo`: do you want a script tool or a manual tool? [13:39] tareslo`: manual=gui, in this sense anyway [13:39] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] script tool [13:39] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [13:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/176 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/176 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:40] matt_ (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:c4d6:eaac:9b9f:7bc4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:41] tareslo`: i'd try pdf2ps, as imagemagick will render them to bitmaps internally (I believe) [13:42] louish (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] I was testing today SLES 9 (ships with 2.6.7 kernel) and it seemed to me that its a little too swappier. Do 2.6 kernels swap more than 2.4? [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/174 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/174 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:46] format123456 (mirc32@ip64-75-149-44.dial.maui.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:46] how you make sort cut to desk top [13:47] What? [13:47] iam useing kate editor [13:47] You're using mirc ;) [13:47] any body [13:47] me [13:47] Hm, hand sort a knif and it might cut your desk top... [13:48] suse [13:48] 9.0 [13:49] in kde [13:49] +e [13:49] I'm on his ignore list I suppose :) [13:49] format123456: this is not msn/yahoo/aol messaging, please dont put one word per line, it's really hard to read [13:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/175 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/175 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:50] louish (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:51] RickX (~rick@159-27.26-24.se.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:51] whats the bash not equal operator? != ? [13:51] Trying to make a shortcut on a kde in Linux and I'm using the editor called kate [13:52] Oh, short cut! And wtf does your editor have to do with short cuts on your desktop? [13:52] daniel: be nice [13:52] So basically do I go to the directory and cat pipe bin sbin I really don't know [13:52] zomtec (~zomtec@p508109C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:52] hedjak: What, I am. I'm trying to figure out his problem. [13:53] what's the shortcut for? the editor? [13:53] kde is on and is my environment I want to make it easier ideas clicking on a icon [13:53] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [13:53] And with every sentence, it makes less sense to me... I'm off to bed anyways, good night. [13:53] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [13:54] Instad off typing in it into x term to bring up the editor [13:54] UQlev (~yuriy@ykulyev.logos.cy.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [13:54] format123456: well, I don't use kde myself, but I reckon that if there isn't a means to create shortcuts either by dragging from the filemanager, then you could probably find the "desktop" directory and create a symlink there [13:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/175 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/175 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:55] rddawg (~rddawg@sudi-dhcp-153.cs.dartmouth.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [13:55] I just want to make a shortcut icon showing up on kde [13:55] hi, anyone know of an openssl-related chat? I need to know how to apply a patch to openssl. [13:56] format123456: tried right clicking on the desktop? does it give you any options like "create link/shortcut?" [13:56] format123456: find the program you want on the kde menu and drag it onto your desktop [13:56] Nate_Grey (~byte@pcp01972919pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [13:56] It said desktop utility [13:56] format123456: StevenR has a better idea [13:57] I look in that utility or a related subject could not fine any [13:57] I should be able to use cat input [13:58] matt_ (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:9598:c996:cb72:c335) joined #linuxhelp. [13:58] huh? [13:58] And write a script and configuration [13:58] Don't really known [13:59] format123456: eh? what are you talking about? [13:59] mothas (~tyoung@209-198-172-235-host.prismnet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:59] talking about redirecting to execute my editor [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/177 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/177 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:00] redirecting what? [14:00] I think my editor is named kate and located in bin [14:00] njoka (~njoka@80-219-242-183.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined #linuxhelp. [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:01] try the drag/drop from the kde menu first. [14:01] Exactly draganddrop [14:01] paza (~mikko@ilmi.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] Let me try that [14:03] mbg (~mbg@81-174-218-78.pth-as11.dial.plus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:03] Thank you very much that work [14:03] thanks [14:04] jhammel_ (500@eecs-wlan-86.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/177 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/177 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:05] Fiver well, this should work, in case you're interested: http://69.197.163.102/~spart/ thanks again [14:05] rddawg (~rddawg@sudi-dhcp-153.cs.dartmouth.edu) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11" [14:05] I've got a question about grub menu.lst. I have two drives - sda, and hda. The system boots from hda, so it's called (hd0) in the menu. What should sda be called? [14:05] sd0 ? [14:05] I have a fc3 box that I want to "share" certain directories on. Does linux have some sort of "network browser" or do I have to know all the mount point's to add them to linux clients? [14:06] hedjak (~hedjak@160.129.59.219) left #linuxhelp. [14:06] hey folks [14:06] spart: Thanks - I didn't know whether it would be hd1 or sd0. [14:07] jhammel_ (500@eecs-wlan-86.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [14:07] am I really connected? please answer, someone [14:07] jhammel_, Yup [14:07] jhammel: you're connected. [14:07] louish: yey! [14:07] back to programming [14:08] what speed can be reached with azureus (bittorent) ? [14:08] _56k (1000@acs-24-154-73-105.zoominternet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:08] im wondering, how to generate menus in afterstep automaticly. "update startmenu" & "update all" doesnt work. any ideas? thanks [14:08] <_56k> does anyone have any expereince building linux access points? [14:08] grem_work (~coltf@akoko.physics.montana.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] mothas (~tyoung@209-198-172-235-host.prismnet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] grem_work (~coltf@akoko.physics.montana.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [14:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/176 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/176 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:10] where can i get a comprehensive help file on the "ip rule" command? 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[14:22] eKo1 (~abc@63.245.57.70) joined #linuxhelp. [14:23] Hey everyone, is it possible for linux to label an ata/ide drive as scsi so that it shows up as sda, sdb, etc. instead of the regular hda, hdb, etc.? [14:24] yes [14:24] you need to set a kernel paramiter [14:24] <_56k> isnt that the way it's supposed ot be? [14:24] <_56k> scis as different drives? [14:24] <_56k> er.. types of devices [14:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/174 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/174 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:25] well, i'm trying to figure out whether my mistery machine is using scsi or ide [14:25] look at the kernel paramiters for knoppix [14:25] rue_mohr (~rue_mohr@d154-20-63-235.bchsia.telus.net) left #linuxhelp. [14:26] maybe there's some scsi emulaiton going on that i don't know about [14:26] It does that sometimes when it does scsi emulation for a specif purpose. like mebbe if you have raid or smthn [14:27] Do you have raid? [14:28] No. [14:28] ompaul (~ompaul@213-202-151-77.bas503.dsl.esat.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:28] well there are only two options. the drive is scsi. or you are doing a scsi emulation. How you got to that point, only you could tell ;) [14:29] I'm guessing it's scsi because smartd won't work, but then maybe I have to enable s.m.a.r.t in the bios. At this point, I just don't know. [14:29] mbg (~mbg@81-174-218-78.pth-as11.dial.plus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [14:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/173 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/173 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:30] Well doesnt bios tell you what it is. You always have the option of using a screwdriver :) [14:30] dmesg says: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:DMA [14:30] lightcap (~mkern@mdrsgate02-vlan54.usi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:31] but then it also says: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 [14:31] dabicho (~davidgn@201.128.60.106) joined #linuxhelp. [14:31] seems like scsi emulation [14:32] My ide drives work in scsi emulation mode for the raid array. [14:32] But I don't have a raid array on this machine. At least, I think I don't. dmesg says nothing so... [14:33] well it could be something else. Cant say what for sure [14:33] raid array <--- redundant use of terms [14:33] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:33] thoreauputic (~petros@wolax6-199.dialup.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [14:33] sata drives show up as scsi devices under 2.6.x kernel [14:33] when you installed. Did you see a sda or hda .. haha [14:34] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:34] I didn't install it. The machine is in some remote office where I can't reach it physically so... [14:34] fdisk -l says everything is mounted on sda. [14:35] Tcl error in script for 'timer747627': [14:35] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [14:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/174 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/174 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:37] Are these drives SATA? [14:37] mebbe lsmod will reveal and ata modules that are loaded [14:37] I see: ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE800 ctl 0xE402 bmdma 0xD800 irq 185 [14:38] Dralock (~dralock@63.149.136.9) left #linuxhelp. [14:39] Produksjo (~kmaspcbm@213-145-178-167.dd.nextgentel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/174 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/174 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:40] BigB0ther (~scsi@athe530-r066.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [14:40] lsmod says: scsi_mod 102025 3 sg,libata,sd_mod [14:40] louser (~Tailer@static103192.static.hol.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [14:41] There you go. You have serial ATA drives [14:41] They are using SCSi emulation [14:41] What, I do? How, where? [14:42] huh? [14:42] lmao [14:43] green- (~cjs@pcp0010907968pcs.columb01.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:44] Well, in either case I'll have to travel to the office where this machine is at and start messing with the BIOS. [14:44] what do you need to do? [14:44] how can i write greek in vectorlinux 3.0. any ideas? [14:44] Sometime late at night when nobody will suspect anything. [14:44] Is there a problem with the setup [14:44] Sengaia (~asym@217.145.1.186) left irc: Connection timed out [14:44] mbg (~mbg@81-174-218-78.pth-as11.dial.plus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/173 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/173 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:45] how do I tell what happened? Track 01: 1065 of 3327 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 94%] 1.1x.cdrecord: Caught interrupt. [14:45] Well, hda is using pio so i'll set that to dma or ultradma and i'll activate s.m.a.r.t so that smartd will run properly [14:46] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] SupIAmMike (~mike@dsl96.ecn.purdue.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [14:47] Enforcer_JB (~jens@d017132.adsl.hansenet.de) joined #linuxhelp. [14:49] Hi everybody [14:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/174 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/174 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:50] does anybody here have software to print panoramas? I want to print a pano (about 8 pictures, the image is ~8000x1000 pixel) on several sheets of landscape A4 paper. I've tried GIMP-2.0 but it doesn't support splitting an image across several pages. and the "poster" PS utilities need the image to be converted to Postscript first and don't offer a preview. [14:50] any ideas? [14:51] BigB0ther (~scsi@athe530-r066.otenet.gr) left irc: "-eXtreme- Avoid the Fortran arithmetic IF (or better yet, just avoid Fortran)." 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[14:53] unset [14:54] Nick change: amrit|cls -> amrit [14:54] Tcl error [bMotion_event_main]: random limit must be greater than zero [14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/20 e/- I/-] [14:55] Nick change: animatus -> Animatus [14:55] thx [14:55] Produksjo: Don't use Partition Magic. Save all of your stuff. Reformat the drive and reinstall everything except for Partition Magic. [14:56] haha [14:56] Can you tell I don't like Partition Magic? [14:57] Is that your self-defence mechanism kicking in. ;) [14:57] against emotional distress [14:58] Actually, I'm really hungry so... [14:59] Yes, i know that. But what is done, is done. I need to keep the first partition, and i can't make a backup. Is there no solution? [14:59] what do you have against partition magic? [14:59] Why can you make a backup? Always, always make backups. [14:59] how cant you make a backup? [14:59] floppies galore [14:59] hellz_hunter: Well, it never worked out for me. [15:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:00] because it is 70 gb, and all i have is a CD-RW drive. Ok... i could make a backup, but i won't :) [15:00] kreg (~kreg@209.161.26.78) joined #linuxhelp. [15:00] Produksjo: if you wont make a backup then you must live with the mistake of deleting things that you wished you'd kept [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:02] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp08392498pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] Actually, I make backups so that everytime my trial version of "insert software here" expires, I just reload the backup. [15:03] hArTh| (~president@wbs-60-109.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [15:03] Try a different partition utility Can yo do that? [15:03] crank ([U2FsdGVkX@CPE-65-29-158-167.wi.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:04] anyone here using partimage ? [15:04] Kagura (~gary@pool-70-22-46-239.balt.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:04] How about running a live distro? [15:04] Action: Kagura strangles xorg.conf [15:04] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:04] Partimage is pretty good.\ [15:04] the current config comes up at 1400x1050 on the laptop [15:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/175 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/175 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:05] yet 640x480 when booted up inside the dock [15:05] and external monitor when inside dock? 640x480 [15:05] any idea? [15:05] i'm using a spat out xorg.conf [15:06] boerst (~boerst@pD95637AE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [15:06] anyone here that used partimage ? [15:06] peppo (~slumpmass@h81172181161.kund.kommunicera.umea.se) joined #linuxhelp. [15:06] Jazza (Jazza@CWPP-p-144-134-229-238.prem.tmns.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [15:07] I'm trying to understand grub. would /dev/sda1 (FAT32 partition) be hd0,0? [15:07] Kagura: you probably need diferent configurations for stand alone and in-dock... maybe you'll find info in google.com/linux about your dock [15:07] google returns nothing [15:07] returns nothing: http://trout.snt.utwente.nl/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=105247&an=0&page=9 [15:07] i had hell just finding an HP manual for it [15:07] lmao [15:08] how can I get graphical links2 on the framebuffer? [15:08] BigB0ther (~scsi@athe530-r066.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [15:09] any content management system that doesn't require php/mysql? [15:09] Yes, but it requires windows [15:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/177 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/177 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:10] eKo1 do you have a url'? [15:10] it requires windows [15:10] as in a windows server, as in asp.net i think [15:10] hehe [15:10] peppo (~slumpmass@h81172181161.kund.kommunicera.umea.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:11] No I don't have a URL but if you want one... [15:11] google content management system -php -mysql [15:11] content management system -php -mysql: http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_evaluate/ [15:11] yyc747__ (~agraupe@S0106000c41ae18ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:11] There you go. [15:12] joony (~nisse@1-1-3-33a.has.sth.bostream.se) left irc: Client Quit [15:12] yyc747_ (~agraupe@S0106000c41ae18ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:12] Produksjo (~kmaspcbm@213-145-178-167.dd.nextgentel.com) left irc: [15:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/172 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/172 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:15] louish (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:16] Wai! ~_~ [15:17] links in framebuffer [15:17] rockin'! [15:18] Kagura (~gary@pool-70-22-46-239.balt.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Changing server" [15:18] testing1235 (~president@wbs-204-46.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:19] hArTh| (~president@wbs-60-109.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: "Carpe diem" [15:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:20] t35t0r (~t35t0r@cookeville-24-158-166-127.midtn.chartertn.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:21] testing1235 (~president@wbs-60-109.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [15:21] new ppl. So lemme ask my question again. I need a multihoming solution for my linux box. Any help out there [15:22] multihoming? Please explicate. [15:23] bakercp (~bakercp@x84-39-174.wireless.umn.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [15:23] Its like Internbet connection sharing, but the other way around. I want to share multiple internet pipes onto the same LAN [15:23] Load balancing over multiple WAN. lets say atleast 2 [15:23] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:24] abcdef: www.lartc.org [15:24] hmm, the perms for $dir are $user.$group and perm for $dir is 701, so the user can remove the directory, is there a way the user can't remove $dir, but he can write into it [15:24] I tried lartc.org. It wont do. [15:24] yes it will [15:24] matt_ (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:9598:c996:cb72:c335) left irc: No route to host [15:24] It is based on policy routing, which is not efficient enough [15:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:25] get a high end router then :) [15:25] Why not? Policy routing is good. [15:25] Note that balancing will not be perfect, as it is route based, and routes are cached. This means that routes to often-used sites will always be over the same provider [15:26] I might have to switch to Bindoze. Am not looking forward to that [15:26] anyone here heard of midcore?? [15:27] No, have you heard of Microtik or Microtek or whatever? [15:27] Is it heresy to mention bindoze apps in a linux channel [15:27] Nope what about em [15:28] I think you can configure one of those to do exactly what you want. And the run on linux. [15:28] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:28] And what are these microteks [15:29] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) left irc: "Just died" [15:29] Is it software/ hardware. what do I google for :) [15:29] I mostly use them as bandwidth managers. [15:29] is there a website? [15:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [15:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:30] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [15:30] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [15:30] go to mikrotik.com [15:31] checking [15:31] BigB0ther (~scsi@athe530-r066.otenet.gr) left irc: "-eXtreme- C program run. C program crash. C programmer cry." [15:32] pst__ (pst@clarksville-24-159-53-88.midtn.chartertn.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:33] Latvia? haha :) [15:34] I dont see any connection teaming options. [15:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:36] Inv_arp (junya@adsl-10-168-64.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:36] outlier (~mothas@209-198-172-235-host.prismnet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:36] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.60.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:36] Celestar (~Celestar@pD9E4EE3B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:36] eKo1 : Mikrotik ,This also means that routes to often-used sites will always be over the same provider. But on big backbones this should distribute traffic fine. [15:37] Yeah. [15:38] also the cahce times and size can be tuned up [15:38] cache, that is... [15:39] What I'm trying to do is, put 4-6 DSL links from different providers together. That should give me much higer bandwidth at much cheaper. Doesnt quite work me as I'm not in the big backbone business [15:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [15:40] is it safe to mount --bind a directory on a nfs mount onto another location in the nfs mount? [15:41] test [15:42] what if that directory has already been mount --bind on the computer where the drive is physically located? [15:43] hedjak im back [15:44] braniff_ (k3AP@braniff.user) joined #linuxhelp. [15:44] how do i tell which /dev/dsp device my alsa driver registered ?? [15:44] i accidently ran mkswap on /dev/hda2 which was ext3 and my / partition, so i ran e2fsck -n -b 32768 and it ran saying there were errors, how do i know if it worked so i can actually run the real thing with out the -n command to fix my hd? 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[16:04] format123456 (mirc32@ip64-75-149-44.dial.maui.net) left irc: [16:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:06] i have "public_html" owned by user.group , the dir is 701 (rwx-----x), thus user can remove the directory, and read,write and enter it, is there a way that user can't delete that directory but still can write files into it ? i have acl support [16:06] jan_: you want the sticky attribute [16:07] sticky keeps files from being deletely all the while allowing write [16:09] the user must also be able to delete files in that dir [16:09] testing1235 (~president@wbs-204-46.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:10] eKo1 (~abc@63.245.57.70) left #linuxhelp. [16:10] oh ok [16:10] i see [16:10] well [16:10] there is a way im trying to think of it [16:10] you have to use sticky still [16:11] i've had the idea of changing the owner perms to root.group and then do rwx-----x and do a acl that $user can write into it [16:11] basically you put sticky attribute on the folder that your public_html folder is in [16:11] but it looks like he still can delete it [16:11] so the folder public_html itself cannot be deleted [16:11] all the while everything in public_html can be deleted and written to [16:11] but then other folder are affected, not ? [16:12] Tcl error in script for 'timer750108': [16:12] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [16:12] ~user/public_html [16:12] wait wait, im confusing myself [16:12] :) [16:12] if you sticky the public_html folder the folder will not be deleteable [16:12] flippo (~flippo@63.227.116.241) joined #linuxhelp. [16:12] but the files inside are still writable and deleteable [16:13] ow, ok [16:13] how do i set the sticky bit ? [16:13] chmod +S ? [16:13] +t [16:13] k [16:14] you might have to play around with it tho i might be wrong on what you have to sticky [16:14] but at least it will get you a step closer [16:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:15] so then it would be like 17001 ? [16:15] err 1701 [16:16] it would be best if you used chmod +t dir/ [16:16] since i do not know the number thingie for sticky bit [16:16] it's 1 :) [16:16] it's in the chmod manual, but there is no futher explenation about it [16:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:20] matt_ (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:1de0:d886:8613:d039) joined #linuxhelp. [16:20] Action: jan_ huggs hellz_hunter [16:20] :=) [16:21] testing1235 (~president@wbs-204-46.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. 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[16:32] hellz_hunter: i think i've hugged you too early :) [16:32] AzMoo[w] (~AzMoo@gateway.welland.maxima.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [16:32] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:34] forevertheuni (~foreverth@adslsapo-b5-55-79.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [16:34] o ppl um amigo meu perdeu o codigo do cartão MMC dele do n-gage [16:34] :/ [16:34] como é que posso formatar isto? [16:34] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [16:34] :/ [16:34] skywolf (skywolf@user-11201n1.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:34] é que não dá sequer para mudar a partition table [16:34] Mo666 (~mo666@c202206.adsl.hansenet.de) joined #linuxhelp. [16:34] :/ [16:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/170 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/170 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:35] cat /dev/null > /dev/sda? [16:35] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:35] tá no usb :/ [16:35] hi! what disk type is an ida device? [16:35] ups [16:35] freenode [16:35] :/ [16:35] not pt [16:35] i've got /dev/ida/c0d0p1 partitions here. is that some sort of ancient raid? [16:35] Mojo_Jojo (~mojo@c-67-170-169-48.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:35] guys a friend of mine has lost in password from his n-gage mmc card [16:35] :/ [16:35] which have better detectiion and stablebity Mandrake or Suse or Slackware? [16:35] how can I format the card? [16:36] Jesuswalk: knoppix [16:36] :/ for detection [16:36] from the 3..mandrake I guess [16:36] knoppix didnt support my mouse [16:36] :/ [16:36] wow [16:36] lol [16:36] Fedora works fine for me [16:36] dohhhhhhhhh [16:36] im so pissed off [16:36] guys does cat /dev/null > /dev/sda [16:36] omg no linux has ever support my comp videos card [16:36] erases all data from the card? [16:36] 0 [16:36] Jesuswalk: :/ what do you mean? [16:36] i can nvr change resolution [16:36] Sava, b/c of people typing 10 lines a sec? [16:37] lol [16:37] i am stuck with the huge ass letters [16:37] Jesuswalk: ctrl+alt+"+" [16:37] must got abck nwo [16:37] or ctrl+alt+"-" [16:37] ave draink a fair bit [16:37] as you can probably tell... [16:37] i guess you drunk [16:37] right? [16:37] wewe (~wewe@kucr30.ucr.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [16:37] but tonight i managed to talk to a realllllly cute gal [16:37] awesome, I've been sober for 2 weeks :) [16:37] i should start, too [16:37] for ages [16:37] sava, how much did you have? [16:37] StevenR (~foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:37] forever wat does thoes too? [16:37] and in one senstence i manged to fuck the whole thing up# [16:38] il never forige myself :( [16:38] Sava: how much did you drink? [16:38] forgive* [16:38] which one of the nono list was it? [16:38] is there a xp # around? [16:38] Jesuswalk: changes resolution [16:38] o [16:38] me [16:38] it was a formal, so we had to drink wine :( [16:38] anyone know about xp? [16:38] and i cant hack wine at all [16:38] i am on XP [16:38] so i had a bottle, then about 6 random drinks after [16:38] wewe, yeah that could have been the sentence Sava said [16:38] :D [16:38] Sava: two weeks ago, I had 1 full bottle of vodka, 2 beers, and I smoked a cigar [16:39] lol [16:39] im not too bad actually [16:39] Jesuswalk: where would you put a .bat to run at startup? [16:39] hell im evern typing ok again [16:39] asadiq (~asadiq@ip68-100-73-191.dc.dc.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:39] yeah, you are relatively fine [16:39] mohr oar lass [16:39] im just quite irritated [16:39] use spybot [16:39] does anyone know where the cursor themes are stored by default? [16:39] it has a startup tool [16:39] Mo666, she was so fine :( [16:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/173 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/173 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:40] nvm, il find hjer again [16:40] Sorry for you Sava. Try again next week. Luckily people forget things. [16:40] skywolf (skywolf@user-11201n1.dsl.mindspring.com) left #linuxhelp. [16:40] Sava: dont sweat it, next time you see her make like it never happened. [16:40] asadiq (~asadiq@ip68-100-73-191.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:40] Im trying to use 'set $XCURSOR_THEME=RevRedux2' but somehow it doesnt change! [16:41] lol [16:41] tbh, i proably wont remember tomorr [16:41] wtorrow( [16:41] tommorrow* [16:41] ffs lol [16:41] where are you from Sava? [16:41] UK, near manchester [16:41] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "-=SysReset 2.53=-" [16:41] im at the university of Durham atm though [16:42] ohh, I was hoping maybe your within a walking distance away from me... maybe you could buy me alcohol :) [16:42] man, still wondering where to put a .bat file to run at startup on XP [16:42] lol :) [16:42] in the startup folder perhaps [16:42] would i have to walk 3000 miles west by any chance? ;) [16:42] Sava, Im 18... and in the USA its ilegal to buy under age of 21 [16:42] SiegeX: obvious as that, eh? [16:42] lol [16:42] about 7000 miles [16:43] oh ok [16:43] netrat (~agood@tlm-adsl74.konnect.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:43] netrat (~agood@tlm-adsl74.konnect.net) left #linuxhelp. [16:43] actually, about 4000 miles of swimming... and 3000 of walking [16:43] thos9 (thos@c-24-19-255-252.client.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [16:43] Sava, but i think using a nickname with a feminine ending is always a good idea to get to know people. ;) [16:43] this MS stuff makes me nervous. [16:43] i want to move to the USA after i finished my dfegree [16:43] degree* [16:43] Nick change: Mo666 -> Mo666a [16:43] Sava: dont do it. [16:43] just kidding. sort of. [16:43] lol [16:44] Does anyone know where the default place is for storing mouse curor themes? in linux... [16:44] not to do anythhing regarding computurs anyway [16:44] FFS [16:44] just dont move to a red county [16:44] computers* [16:44] my aim atm [16:44] is to finish my degree [16:44] and go to Harvard to study Law :] [16:44] but i doubt il make it [16:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:45] and i can spend my days as that well paid Lawyer that specialises in Corporate Law (in the software world) that writes tons of open source software in his spare time.... [16:45] gots to go. [16:45] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:45] wewe (~wewe@kucr30.ucr.edu) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [16:46] nope ctrl+alt++ or +- dont change resoltuions [16:46] so where you from Mo666a? [16:46] hellz_hunter: nop, no success :/ [16:46] anything else i can do to change resolutions? [16:47] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] Sava, Hamburg, Germany [16:48] cool :) [16:48] i spent a few years trying to learn German..... [16:49] i was ok for a while, cant remember any now :( [16:49] cool, i spent a few years trying to learn english, but gave up then [16:49] you should learn dutch :p [16:49] lol [16:49] i quite like french [16:49] so where are you from? [16:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:50] pipex=Us, right? [16:50] UK! [16:50] havent i already said that somewhere? :p [16:50] forevertheuni (~foreverth@adslsapo-b5-55-79.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] not sure, maybe i missed it [16:51] heh fair enough :) [16:51] Sagstuen (~roger@80.239.69.147) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:51] jan_: what is it not doing? [16:51] here's where Us people say sorry for the election results: http://sorryeverybody.com/ [16:51] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:51] doesnt matter, not far out of Manchester anyway [16:52] lol [16:52] is there anything else i can change resolutions? [16:52] Bush was always gonna be re-elected...i told a mate to put money on it [16:52] so where in UK then? [16:52] hes £20 richer now [16:52] Mojo_Jojo (~mojo@c-67-170-169-48.client.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [16:53] he's not the only one whose gonna become richer with bush. they are few, but they get even richer [16:53] hellz_hunter: i set the public_html to 1701 (-> rwx---T) (T with ACL) and it's owned by root.root and there is an acl like u:$user:rwx [16:53] tbh [16:53] i couldnt care less about his domestic policy [16:53] HOLY FUCk [16:53] im quite right wing, so agree with a fair bit of what he says [16:53] my comp just went crazy [16:53] its about foreign policy [16:53] for 2 sec [16:53] Opty (~poon@opty.user) left irc: "Client exited" [16:53] dling 40000000000000kb /sec [16:54] now is super slow [16:54] umm,ok, i guess, i .. um [16:54] nice talking to you ;) [16:54] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.60.stowetel.com) left #linuxhelp. [16:54] lol :p [16:54] im not that bad [16:54] as far as right wing people go [16:54] i guess im fairly central [16:54] well, for me everything right of left is bad, so it's quite easy to fit into the scheme [16:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [16:55] lol [16:55] want a fight about that? :P:P:P [16:55] nah you know, leftists always sneak away [16:55] ;) [16:55] i spent quite a lot of time studying economics, and most left wing thinking just doesnt make sense to me :( [16:55] omg i need a linux tat can change resolution easily [16:55] i like the ideals behind it, but it just doesnt work [16:55] any suggestions? [16:55] anyway, this isn't #politicalviewshelp [16:55] lol [16:56] i have a question here... [16:56] what are you using now Jesuswalk? [16:56] his keayboard [16:56] rite now xp [16:56] i try kanotix [16:56] mephis [16:56] fedora [16:56] none of them can change resolutions to 1024 [16:57] Jesuswalk, if your hardware is supported, they all can [16:57] lol Mo :p [16:57] well no of them can.. [16:57] you just need to know how ;) [16:57] im still too pissed off about not getting laid tonigth [16:57] but anyway [16:58] i hate fedora, but i thought you could just right click the desktop [16:58] and change the properties? [16:58] or does that depend on what WM your usign? [16:58] nah, that was xp [16:58] rite click propetert [16:58] display but i only got 800x640 [16:58] u cant pick [16:59] ohhh right [16:59] you'll need to edit your xserver config file first [16:59] Nick change: Mo666a -> Mo666 [16:59] i getcha [16:59] is my xconfig64 [16:59] it supports 1024 [17:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:00] Writing user file... [17:00] Writing channel file... [17:00] what's an "xconfig64"? [17:00] is in ur X11 folder [17:00] at least is on mine.. [17:00] lol [17:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [17:01] wat linux should i try now.. [17:02] slackware? [17:02] not in mine, maybe you mean XF86Config-4? [17:02] your changing distro just because your having problems with screen resolution? [17:02] mo ya [17:02] save yes [17:03] sava* [17:03] i hate BIG SCREENS [17:03] lol [17:03] that's like saying: damn, i don't know how to remove the cdrom from the drive on my mac, i guess i'll install windows [17:03] i seriously get pissed at it when i look at it [17:03] lol [17:03] well mo [17:03] the look of fedora was one of the many reasons i had to scrap it [17:03] i tried everything i can [17:03] that and rpm dependancy hell [17:04] Jesuswalk, have you read a how-to on configuring your x server? [17:04] no lol [17:04] so you haven't [17:04] you should do that [17:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:05] if tat dont work wat should i try? different distro xD? [17:05] return to the distro you liked best so far and stay with that.. it's not always easy to get things setup, especially not in the first place, but once it works... yummy [17:05] to be honest [17:05] if you want to try out different distributions and arent gonna lose any data, i say go for it [17:06] i think the matter is loosing patience in this particular case [17:06] i am deciding between slackware/mandrake/suse [17:06] ...which is understandable [17:06] yeah [17:06] i like all those 3 [17:06] i have patience is just i cant stand the big screen [17:06] im using mandrake and slackware already [17:07] but am also using Kondara linux now [17:07] oo which better? [17:07] of those three i only know suse and i dislike it but would still recommend it for beginners [17:07] 3 lin? [17:07] well [17:07] using Mandrake 10 on my laptop [17:07] power pack? [17:07] Chandra (~chandrag@mars.mds.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [17:07] using Slackware on and old 450mhz PC [17:08] lol [17:08] on an* [17:08] and using Kondara on my PS2 :D [17:08] ps2? [17:08] playstation 2? [17:08] hi :) [17:08] i am back [17:08] my Playstation 2 yeah [17:08] WTf lol [17:08] its awesome lol [17:08] ps2 can load linux [17:08] kondara linux? you mean this distro which recently sold it's website to domainsponsor.com popup, tracing cookies and dialer experts? [17:08] can connect it to the internet now too [17:08] u got the live pack? [17:08] can any one help me. how can i change password in unix through shell script [17:08] the thing u can plug hardruves [17:08] yeah i think thats the one :p [17:09] lol :] [17:09] awesome [17:09] linux on ps2 lol [17:09] pmts (~pmts@pD9E3960C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:09] which would u say is better mandrake or slackware? [17:09] you can get a linux pack which is quite handy [17:09] your quite new to Linux? [17:09] Chandra, passwd USERNAME [17:09] ya lol [17:09] but i dont like super noob lin [17:09] i mean i want to change through a script [17:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:10] ruins the point of learning [17:10] mandrake is quite nice, i installed every single development library first though [17:10] cos i have 30+ servers i want to do it automatically through shell script [17:10] Mo666 [17:10] so then i could install applications by compiling from source [17:10] oooo tat sounds pretty intemediate work [17:10] how can I find an app's pid and kill it? [17:11] Mo666 i want that script to run every month [17:11] thoreauputic (~petros@wolax6-199.dialup.optusnet.com.au) left #linuxhelp ("Client exiting"). [17:11] quite a few people say that Slack is for the slightly more experienced user, but to be honest i thought it was fine [17:11] ps -A [17:11] then kill Chandra, that looks tricky to me [17:11] test833 (~president@wbs-204-46.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:11] then kill [17:11] i am getting slack then. if xserver editing dont work [17:11] you'll need to get around storing passwords in clear text [17:11] thx for the info pplz [17:11] HrAbbey (~habbey@slip-12-64-90-218.mis.prserv.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:12] then [17:12] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "-=SysReset 2.53=-" [17:12] surely thats really difficult if scripting? [17:12] unless you can enter the new password each month [17:12] roRisc, i usually use ps -A x, dunno if that's any better, though [17:12] HrAbbey (~habbey@slip-12-64-90-218.mis.prserv.net) left #linuxhelp. [17:13] hmm [17:13] then again [17:13] Sava, yeah, but you'd need to do that on each computer seperately still, then [17:13] oh ignore me [17:13] yeah lol, just thinking that [17:13] so it would be quite pointless anyway [17:13] Action: Mo666 sets mode +i Save [17:13] daniel_ (daniel@daniel.user) joined #linuxhelp. [17:13] : [17:13] :p [17:13] damn, mistyped ! ;) [17:13] hehe :] [17:14] war- (war@209.81.41.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] i guess it's about time i get this compaq box sorted... have a good nite ben, maybe i'll be around later again... [17:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:15] night Moritz :) [17:15] hellz_hunter: still alive ? [17:15] i might be up for a while yet, so see you soon :) [17:15] crank ([U2FsdGVkX@CPE-65-29-158-167.wi.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [17:16] yeah you, too, don't forget to improve your political views [17:17] in the meantime [17:17] lol [17:17] ;) [17:17] il harass you some other time :p [17:17] i hope so [17:17] its all good economics ;) [17:17] Opty (~poon@opty.user) joined #linuxhelp. [17:18] Opty (~poon@opty.user) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] so the 'other time' just started? ;) l8rz [17:18] bibi :] [17:19] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:19] pmts (~pmts@pD9E3960C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone" [17:19] wat do i have to edit again? [17:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:20] clumsy (~matt@ool-44c2f98e.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:20] test4632 (~president@wbs-204-46.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [17:20] hey has anyone here set up a linux usb printer? [17:20] hello what does pref do in "ip rule add fwmark 2 pref 10 table mail.out" ??? [17:20] lol [17:21] Mo666, how can I kill everything though.. ps -ax|grep nautilus|kill ... doesn't seem to work. that's the syntax? [17:21] i forgot [17:21] xconfig65 you said before [17:21] 64* [17:22] i edit tat already [17:22] it dont work,, [17:22] i think u said xserver [17:22] or something like tat [17:22] yeah [17:22] wat is the exact file called? [17:22] there should be some config files in the X11 directory [17:22] ya [17:23] outlier (~mothas@209-198-172-235-host.prismnet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:23] i seen all x86 [17:23] configs.. [17:23] roRisc, it's ps -A x|grep nautilus [17:23] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|afk [17:23] i accidently ran mkswap on /dev/hda2 my / partition, read that i can use mke2fs and e2fsck, just dont know how, i know my superblock data is on block 32768 (using a 4k blocksize) anyone have any idea? [17:23] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:24] sava does ur slackware support 1024 resolution? [17:24] Mo666, and if I want to kill all of them? [17:24] cant even remember now, its running on a PC at my parents house now. It looked much better than Fedora at any rate :p [17:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:25] lol [17:25] ur on linux rite now? [17:25] mandrake? [17:25] roRisc, you want to man killall && man kill [17:25] :) [17:25] fedora for me just stinks [17:26] Has anybody successfully got Win2k and Debian to dual-boot? I've been at this most of the day - so far, I can boot to Debian no problem, but 2000 gives me NTLDR missing. Argh! [17:26] the support harddrive is so horrible it wont even start my X [17:26] using mandrake atm [17:26] 1024 support perfect? [17:26] yup yup [17:27] u got the normal package or the power pack? [17:27] i bought the CDs off ebay for £5 [17:27] lol power pack or community? [17:27] outlier, did you install the boot manager into MBR or inot the first patition? [17:27] i bought the Mandrake 9 box set so figured i could let myself not buy this one [17:28] anyone who wants to help me with some ACL's and sticky bit conflicts ? [17:28] just the normal package dude [17:28] k [17:28] crys (~cjohnson@ip-216-226-4-18.formysite.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:28] the only thing i am afraid rite now is the iso wont fit in cd [17:29] i want a dir that is fully rwx by a user, but the user is not allowed to delete that directory, and i have some problems doing that: http://pastebot.nd.edu/1309 [17:29] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "-=SysReset 2.53=-" [17:29] Mo666: Yes - but I've got Debian on hda, and just installed windows on sda. I specified sda as the boot target, but win2k isn't having any of it. [17:29] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [17:29] Mo666: clearly, this is not The Way. [17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:30] outlier, there's some nice how-to's out there, did you use one of them? [17:30] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [17:30] daniel (daniel@daniel.user) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:31] Wotann (~Vinland@d209-89-93-129.abhsia.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:31] how do you tell what version of linux you are running (kernel ) [17:32] basically the deal is to have a (preferrably) linux boot manager installed on the partition your bios will boot from, and set that boot manager up in a way that will allow you to boot either lniux or wind0ws [17:32] Wotann, uname -r [17:32] Mo666: Not successfully. Most assume you have a working win2k install, to which you want to add linux. I have the reverse. I've got a working Debian install, with no available space, really. But a nice RAID to which I can install windows. I removed the ide disks, then installed windows to the RAID. No problem. I put the IDE's back in, again, no problem booting Debian. Set the BIOS to boot the RAID again, and now windows can't [17:33] Mo666: My plan was to edit grub to chainload the windows install over on the RAID. Not bright, evidently. [17:33] bwlang (~bwlang@h00a0cc520a75.ne.client2.attbi.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [17:33] the reason why most how-tos assume you have a working win32 install in the first place is that win doen't even a bit care to destroy anything else what's on your hdd [17:33] it's got this "it's not windows it can go" attitude [17:34] Mo666: That's why I physically removed the Debian disks before letting Windows touch the machine. [17:34] probably it's still possible but i'm too newbie myself to give directions. you may want to try #grub or #lilo [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:35] Mo666: Clearly, windows installs are quite fragile. Thanks for the pointer, I'll go there and ask. [17:35] good luck. guess you'll need it ;) [17:35] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [17:35] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [17:36] do the ide disk have any fat32 or ntfs partitions on them? windows will only boot from the first usable partition it finds, aka C: so if the bios sets the ide first and they have a usable partition that will brake the install on the raid disks [17:36] Mo666: If I'd known what a pain this would be, I'd have sprung for a 2nd machine. [17:36] consider bying a cheap outdated x386 emulator instead and run your less preferred OS on that [17:37] Mxyzpltk: The IDE disks are partitioned with ext3 and reiserfs. The RAID has one 80GB NTFS partition with a bit of free space before and after. The before space is 500MB, so I don't think that's the problem. [17:38] no, probably not then... [17:38] Mo666: I'll admit the reason I'm installing Windows is 'cuz I'd like to try out EQ2 - only windows app I'm planning to install. Not sure an x386 emulator would cut it. [17:39] never heard of that, is that some music app? [17:39] it is also posible that C: must be on the first hard drive the bios sees... windows has always been pretty dumb in that aspect [17:39] ok i feel a bit of a mess, im still really irriated and qfairly tipsy so il see you guys later :] [17:39] Mo666 its a game. Takes fairly high end graphics & such. [17:39] nite all [17:39] bye again Sava [17:39] :) [17:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:40] nite buddy, see ya soon :] [17:40] Tzigane (~mike@jon.ivt.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [17:40] seems i'm not getting the box donetoday [17:40] u2 [17:40] Sava (~disley@81-178-121-134.dsl.pipex.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] hi, i have some problems with sticy bits, when i use a sticky bit for a directory where the parent dis has not ACL, it works, and when the parent has an ACL, it doesn't work: check http://pastebot.nd.edu/1309 thanks [17:40] Hello =) I've recently installed Ubuntu after using Debian for a few years.. I'm developing in wx, and have a few sets of wx libs I use to build.. Now, when building, auto* is generating Makefiles that link with static .a libs, not the .so's I've been using [17:40] I'm fairly fuzzy on the whole autotools thing, not having put in the time to learn how they work (I just use them through Anjuta, mostly, which handles it all so I don't have to..) [17:40] So I'm getting errors like: g++: /usr/local/wx-2.5.2/gtk/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.5.a: No such file or directory [17:40] When I would be expecting it to link to /usr/local/wx-2.5.2/gtk/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.5.so [17:40] outlier, i see. well, the emulator will slow it down, of course [17:40] Does anyone have any idea what I could do to go back to using the .so's? [17:40] I'd prefer not to have to recompile my wx libs to static .a's [17:41] nick01 (~nick01@193.231.120.213) joined #linuxhelp. [17:41] but on the other hand, if you rpc is up to date, it's probably enough and you'd save the reboot struggles [17:41] dabicho (~dabicho@201.128.60.106) joined #linuxhelp. [17:42] Tcl error in script for 'timer753078': [17:42] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [17:42] Mo666: So your suggesting I install an emulator in Debian, and install Windows to it? [17:42] outlier i'm suggesting that you consider it :) [17:43] I'll think about it. Thanks, Mo666 [17:43] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.19.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:43] mp [17:43] anyone here ever set up phpbb on debian ?????? [17:43] /whois anyone [17:44] test4632 (~president@wbs-204-46.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Connection timed out [17:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:46] Wotann, that's probably a question for #php in the end. what are you after? [17:47] I killed nautilus, and now I don't know how to run it. doesn't work at command line either. [17:48] roRisc, hmm, it should [17:48] says nothing, Mo666 [17:48] maybe restart x if it doesn't worj the other way [17:49] s/worj/work [17:49] brb [17:49] how can I restart X and still have all gui applications running? [17:49] err. restart gnome-session [17:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:50] .. read on fluxbox forums that this is doable.... [17:50] Tzigane (~mike@jon.ivt.com.au) left #linuxhelp. [17:54] How do you run an application as superuser in a user account? [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [17:55] exhaust (~billy@ip68-9-150-211.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:57] Animatus, sudo [17:57] m0666 - sorry I missed your post. Yeah I think it is a problem with php. [17:57] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:57] does anyone know which x86_64 distro has the most widespread selection of apps packaged ? [17:57] roRisc, not that i know of - which definately doesnt mean it's not possible [17:57] Bri525 (~siBri525@169.232.148.181) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:58] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:59] how do I get rid of this http://66.222.236.149:8080/phpbb [17:59] bakercp (~bakercp@x84-39-174.wireless.umn.edu) left irc: Client Quit [18:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:00] epitome (~epitome@68.188.206.139.up.mi.chartermi.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:00] epitome (~epitome@68.188.206.139.up.mi.chartermi.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [18:00] how do i control the volume on my notebook? [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:01] exhaust, from a button on the case? [18:01] press the "volume up" key [18:02] those bottons don't work. it's a notebook. xmms plays the song, the volume is up, but no noise [18:02] swim, not that i really knew that or could compare, but for the 64bit cpu question, i guess debian surely has a lot of apps, already [18:03] Mo666, thats what I was coming to believe as well... [18:03] exhaust, have you unmuted your sound system? [18:03] how do i do that? [18:03] check the faq of the sound system you're using [18:03] billy@notebook:~$ xmms [18:03] libesd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:03] libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:03] libvorbis.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:04] does that help? [18:04] yep. you're missing some libraries which are needed to play back the content you're trying to play back [18:04] how do i know what soundsystem i'm using? [18:04] RickX_ (~rick@159-27.26-24.se.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:04] crys_ (~cjohnson@ip-216-226-4-28.formysite.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:04] Mo666, but then I guess most of the other 64bit distros will eventual have as many packages right? [18:04] exhaust, are you using kde? [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:05] fluxbox, i didnt' install gnome or kde [18:05] oh dont know about fluxbox... [18:05] swim, i couldn't say [18:06] exhaust, libesd.0 means you're probably using enlightened sound daemon [18:06] i don'T know fluxbox either but i guess it wouldn't ind oyu using alsa instead [18:06] how do i know what soundsystem i'm using? that's like alsa or open s right? [18:06] s/ind/mind [18:07] see if you got the xmms package for alsa output installed [18:07] i think there's a vorbis package for also, too, at least on some distros [18:08] s/ind/mind ... bash:: No such file or directory [18:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:10] crys (~cjohnson@ip-216-226-4-18.formysite.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:10] i did apt-get install alsa, but the package is already installed. [18:10] hehe, i just meant to say that i wanted to say "mind" where i typed "ind" [18:10] which dostro do you have there? [18:10] distro [18:10] debian [18:11] testing? [18:11] stable? [18:11] unstable? [18:11] 2.6.8 kernel sarge [18:11] testing i'm pretty sure [18:12] dabenda (~dabenda@pcp03455940pcs.csouth01.va.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:12] ok, then what you want is the alsa sound system and the libraries you're missing. you obviously already go the sound system so you need the libraries only, maybe also the output plugin for xmms [18:12] sarge=testing, at the moment [18:14] RickX_ (~rick@159-27.26-24.se.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:15] ok, forget what i said about that output plugin, that was just crap [18:15] heh [18:16] oh no, it's onl< partially crap [18:16] you don't need to install it seperatly but you need to set it in the xmms options [18:17] xmms > options > settings > audio i/o plugins > output plugin > alsa something (libALSA.so) [18:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:22] exhaust, you also need to apt-get install libmikmod2 libvorbis0a, *maybe* libesd0, too [18:22] another option would be to uninstall xmms and reinstall it as those packages should actually come with it. [18:24] <[Ctrl-Z]> how can I check if my card is in promiscuous mode? (ifconfig not showing and I don't have the ip app) [18:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:26] i think 'dmesg |grep promiscious' should tell [18:27] ah no, thats wrong [18:27] Mo666: i did all you said .. now i get .. [18:27] illy@notebook:~$ xmms [18:27] libvorbisfile.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:28] [Ctrl-Z], use rkhunter [18:28] exhaust, install that, too, then [18:28] you should cponsider using something more user-frinedly than apt-get maybe [18:28] use aptitude or synaptic [18:29] <[Ctrl-Z]> rkhunter? [18:29] <[Ctrl-Z]> isn't there a way to do it without having to install a new app? [18:29] rootkit hunter. it will do loads of checks, and promisciusoy mode is one of them [18:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [18:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:30] sure, i just don't know it [18:30] exhaust, apt-get install libvorbisfile [18:30] Nick change: Trisk[class] -> Triskelios [18:30] <[Ctrl-Z]> :) [18:30] exhaust, apt-get install libvorbisfile3 << 3 was missing [18:31] ok trying to compile ed2k gtk gui, (suse x86_64) seemed to configure fine, but then make returned this : http://pastebin.com/120536 [18:31] [Ctrl-Z], rkhunter is just a .tgz with a bash script in it [18:31] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-e05ae353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:31] ok now i don't get any error when running xmms, but still no sound.. the equilizer is moving like it's playing something. [18:31] you just need to look for the promioscious mode check in it [18:32] exhaust, have you ever played back anything and heard it on this system? [18:32] where system is OS install, not hardware [18:33] Mo666: only in winxp [18:34] acce| (~adam@12-222-206-159.client.insightBB.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:34] RickX_ (~rick@159-27.26-24.se.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:34] swim, i'd guess it's partially prepared but not ready for 64bit, as most linux apps will be. [18:34] Nick change: [Ctrl-Z] -> Ctrl-Z [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:35] exhaust, have you setup the alsa plugin in xmms? [18:35] Nick change: crys_ -> crys [18:36] if not do it & test again, if still doent work or if yes, run alsaconf on console [18:36] nope, i just change the output plugin from oss to alsa. [18:36] as root [18:37] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [18:37] no, i just change output plugin, and now it won't start [18:37] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. 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[18:53] specify it as a mount option [18:53] Nick change: amrit|afk -> amrit [18:54] exhaust (~billy@ip68-9-150-211.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:54] hmm.. [18:54] dabenda (~dabenda@pcp03455940pcs.csouth01.va.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:54] k [18:54] exhaust: you should be aware that rebooting usually doesn't solve problems [18:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/20 e/- I/-] [18:55] exhaust: and the driver for your chip should be intel8x0 [18:57] how do you remove a file from lost+found [18:58] green_earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) left irc: "bye all" [18:58] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:58] norg: the usual way.. [18:59] oh i got it [19:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:00] Writing user file... [19:00] Writing channel file... [19:00] pst__ (pst@clarksville-24-159-53-88.midtn.chartertn.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [19:01] exhaust, you need to run modconf and activate the kernel module for your sound card [19:01] nope it didn't .. lsmod shows i810_audio [19:01] hopefully it's already installed as a modulae into the kernel you are using. if you're using the default kernel image by debian you're porbably on the safe side [19:02] ok, what about also then? [19:02] alsa [19:02] is it activated in your kernel? [19:02] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.19.stowetel.com) left irc: "bye" [19:02] i saw during boot, asla started [19:02] modinfo: could not find module snd << means you're lacking alsa support on your kernel [19:03] three_11 (~three_11@69-163-15-87.kntnny.adelphia.net) left irc: "Get away from me biatch" [19:03] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:03] Mo666, It is activated in all 2.6 kernels, but not every option is available. You will be much better off compiling alsa into the kernel, rather than using modules. [19:03] why does everyone dislike fedora? [19:03] swim, because they haven't read the installation instructions. [19:04] yeah, it says "this is limited software, don't install if you don't want limits" [19:04] sethk, what do you think about fc3 for instance? [19:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:05] swim, I'm still on FC2 (I used fedora on workstations and slackware on servers). I will try to find time to install FC3 over the next few days. FC2 has performed flawlessly for me. [19:05] Im using suse x86_64, and Im just upset that a package based distro has so few packages available! [19:05] swim, but, remember, I don't use the package manager. If you use it, all bets are off. [19:05] alsa is compiled into kernel ,, i just checked [19:05] so I think Im looking for an alternative to it [19:06] exhaust, good. now the question is whether your specific audio device is enabled, either in the kernel build or as a module. [19:06] no everyting under alsa is compiled into it though [19:06] ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [19:06] How can I add to crontab a task to be executed with a gap of 5 minutes? [19:07] swim, you have little to lose with. But, remember, I strongly believe (and everyone else disagrees) that package managers are a bad thing. So the fact that there aren't packages for SuSE would _not_ make me switch, if the distro is working. [19:07] err .. i compiled the right driver into kernel in pci devices [19:07] exhaust, matches the one show by lspci? [19:07] sethk I dont mind compiling, but its a pain in suse x86_64, (in 32bit distros I never had problems) [19:07] i used linux-latop.net to confirm [19:08] swim, it's a bit bleading edge. If you don't want to deal with it, run 32 bit for a few more months. [19:08] i have the driver compiled in that the docs said too [19:09] someone there saw my question? :) [19:09] sethk, you think itll be solved in a few months? [19:09] Jesuswalk (~WinNT@CPE00095b323eb7-CM014140013263.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "-=SysReset 2.53=-" [19:09] exhaust, the docs mean nothing. the only thing that matters is whether the device showed by lspci is the one that you enabled in the kernel. [19:09] swim, I'm guessing, of course, about the time, but, yes, things will catch up. [19:09] regeya (~shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:09] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [19:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:10] three_11 (~three_11@69-163-15-87.kntnny.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:10] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:10] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [19:10] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [19:11] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [19:11] i think a mounted filesystem may be damaged, i want to run fsck on it, but it won't unmount [19:11] even if i use umount -f [19:11] norg, reboot. [19:12] lspci: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller rev 01 [19:14] exhaust, ok, so you need both the AC'97 driver, and the Intel 8##### driver. Sometimes an intel driver is shown (in the kernel config) with it's chip number, and other times with it's name as in ICH4 [19:14] ok Im confused, there are source based distros, rpm based, and package based? [19:14] sethk: Hi! did you see my question? ;) [19:14] chodapp (1000@blackbird-day-216-68-113-60.fuse.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:14] in kernel i have Sound Support -> ALSA compiled -> PCI deviced-> Inel i8x0/MX440,.... and Intel i8x0/MX440 .. [two drivers compiled in} [19:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:15] swim: rpms are packages. and the "source-based" systems generally have some form of package management, too [19:15] MUUSHU` (~mo699898@c66.168.24.174.mad.wi.charter.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:15] hmm Im confused then [19:15] exhaust, and _also_ AC97? [19:16] swim, rpm is a package manager, as Triskelios just told you. [19:16] mo699898 (~mo699898@c66.168.24.174.mad.wi.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:16] swim, it is a more popular and worse package manager, but it is still a package manager. [19:16] hmmm. know where that is? .. in lsmod i have ..ac97codec [19:16] ok, slackware is a package based distro right? it uses apt or something? [19:17] swim, no [19:17] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:17] mo699898, and i thought *my* nickname was dumb... [19:17] lol [19:17] swim, almost all distros use packages. they don't all use "advanced" package managers, though. slackware uses a simple package manager. [19:17] swim, you can install a package manager on _any_ distro, but it doesn't come with it. Well, it comes with a very limited package manager. [19:18] swim, the slack package manager has never presented me with hours of work to get it back in sync with the machine. [19:18] hmmm so in this case simple is good [19:18] swim, but slack packages are rarely produced. Most slack people compile from source, I would say. [19:19] is compiling from source easier in slackware? [19:19] swim, to me, yes. More complexity == more problems. And I do not find that the corresponding payoff, that of automatic dependency management, actually works. [19:19] swim, no, the same. [19:19] swim, unless you are trying to run gentoo or something. [19:19] TheBonsai (~bonsai@pD9E0CA23.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:19] swim, slack has a very well defined configuration methodology, and they don't change it for no reason. [19:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:20] sethk, swim: well, actually... a lot of distros end up placing development libs in werid places and stuff so that compiling ends up erroring out (Qt comes to mind for the last few years...). slackware tends to work well :) [19:20] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:20] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:20] amrit, True, I've never had a problem compiling QT (all of KDE for that matter) on a slack box. [19:20] Action: amrit tries to remember how many distros have compiled Qt with multithreading support and then renamed the lib to libqt.so ... [19:20] hmm I guess I need to forget about slack though, its not x86_64 supported [19:21] TheBonsai (~bonsai@pD9543D0E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:21] amrit, That's ok, as long as you don't want KDE or any qt based application to work. [19:21] Kiluminati (~edgy4@u212-239-163-12.adsl.pi.be) left irc: Client Quit [19:21] can ubuntu x86_64 use debian x86_64 packages? [19:21] sethk, heheh [19:21] green- (~cjs@pcp0010907968pcs.columb01.pa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:22] swim, not yet at least ;) [19:22] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:22] swim, no idea. Nobody has told me why ubuntu exists, so I've ignored it. [19:22] sethk, hahaha, exactly [19:22] "it forces you to use sudo!" ....ok? [19:22] Kiluminati (~edgy4@u212-239-163-12.adsl.pi.be) joined #linuxhelp. [19:22] sethk: in lsmod i have ..ac97codec [19:23] hrmm, debian seems like a good choice for its massive availability of packages, but not so hot on a laptop, suse is nice on a laptop, but too few packages, as well as a pain to compile apps well, so I feel stuck without a good distro for my x86_64 laptop [19:23] exhaust, that's probably ok. I don't use modules, though. If you want to be sure, you can run "make xconfig" (not to change the config, so don't panic) and turn on the options to show everything, which includes the module name. [19:24] swim, I've had no problems running debian on laptops. [19:24] sethk, debian x86_64? [19:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:25] swim, no, I don't have a 64 bit laptop. But you said "not so hot on a laptop", not "not so hot on an x86_64 laptop" [19:25] can run make xconfig ... can't find QT installtion .. can i use menuconfig somehow [19:26] sethk, :) thats what I meant [19:26] swim, I wouldn't anticipate a problem, though. Have you tried it? What problems did you have? [19:26] sethk, no I havent tried it, just was told from someone at debian-amd64 [19:27] chan [19:27] swim, always assume that a statement like that, without specifics, is either nonsense, hearsay, or incompetance. [19:27] FTTP (~FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:28] In Europe, is Microsoft the dominant operating system? [19:28] or are most europeans using computers using linux? [19:29] Im pretty sure its still MS windows [19:29] swim: how about in africa? [19:29] linux? [19:29] i mean like third world nations [19:29] Microsoft is the dominant desktop operating system in just about every developed country [19:29] who are lucky enuff [19:29] yeah I would guess so [19:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [19:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:30] triskelios: is microsoft windows in europe just as expensive as the usa? [19:30] FTTP, most Europeans? Linux can only dream of such a thing. [19:30] FTTP, depends on how you buy it. You can get it with a machine, you can buy an OEM version, or you can buy the expensive version. [19:30] sethk: lets say they get it with their computer [19:31] sethk: do they still have to pay a significant chunk of the pc price towards software? [19:31] sethk: Like in the USA OEM's like dell still pay significant sums [19:32] i think it's the same here [19:32] what are the common options for fsck ? [19:32] other than that, there'd be more action by the trade comissions [19:33] ...hopefully [19:33] mo666: microsoft price gauged europe big time [19:33] sethk do you think with debian sarge the kernel would have laptop power management, and cpu frequency available? [19:33] FTTP, I'm sure Dell pays very little to M$, but I don't know any specifics. [19:33] sethk: microsoft wont give up its profits, u crazy? [19:33] sethk: Very little ? now theres a laugh [19:33] FTTP, they sell to Dell is vast quantities and charge very little for each license. [19:34] sethk: microsoft doesnt give any vendors a free lunch [19:34] they make billions [19:34] its still like $100+ for xp pro [19:34] FTTP, Dell now sells machines with a choice of Linux or M$ with little or no difference in price. I doubt that Dell is a charitable organization. [19:34] FTTP, to a vendor? no chance in the world. [19:34] dell wants their moola too [19:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:35] sethk: Its at least $50 per computer for xp home [19:35] even in bulk [19:35] FTTP, right, so if they don't charge a lot for windows, then m$ doesn't charge dell a lot for windows. [19:35] sethk: Dell only offers linux for servers [19:35] FTTP, if you know more than everyone else, why are you asking? [19:35] there is no linux option for a dell dimension system [19:35] FTTP, not true. The project I'm working on has at least 50 Dell linux desktops. [19:36] sethk: Dell does not sell linux dimensions [19:36] sethk: go to www.dell.com and try to configure a system with linux, u cant [19:36] there's alays a 'linux option' ;) [19:36] i mean a dimension system, not a server [19:36] yes, download it [19:36] but u still have to get windows with the machine [19:36] with dell, u have to pay for it [19:36] FTTP: notice sethk says desktops [19:37] FTTP: http://linux.dell.com/desktops.shtml [19:37] triskelios: dell only has 2 desktop lines [19:37] FTTP, I prefer to look at real machines, not web sites [19:37] FTTP: clearly you have no idea what you're talking about [19:37] triskelios: I dont think u can get linux on the optiplex can u? [19:37] dell has 2 desktop computer lines, optiplex and dimension [19:37] FTTP, besides, as I said, if you already know all the answers why are you asking any questions? [19:37] grem (~grem@x-112-99.resnet.montana.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [19:37] FTTP: wrong\ [19:37] Norky (~dan@byzantium.force9.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:37] triskelios: www.dell.com [19:38] dsabenz (~champion@219.83.23.229) joined #linuxhelp. [19:38] FTTP: read the damn URL above [19:38] i fergot precision sorry but those are workstations [19:38] and not desktops [19:38] triskelios: There are 2 desktop lines, and 1 workstation line [19:39] and then u have the servers, etc... [19:39] FTTP, this is not #dellhelp nor is it #windowshelp. Please get back on topic, if you actually have a topic. [19:39] FTTP: wrong again. http://dell.questar.it/ [19:39] triskelios: Thats italy, this is usa [19:39] triskelios: I said in the usa [19:39] oh wait [19:39] modprobe 97 doesn't give error [19:39] #linuxhelp: mode change '+o sethk' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:39] your in italy? [19:40] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/1 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:40] FTTP: no, this is the internet [19:40] i mean modprobe ac97 doesn't give error [19:40] triskelios in europe dell sells it with linux? [19:40] FTTP, please either ask a question about linux, or go to a channel that cares about dell. [19:40] exhaust, which you think means what? [19:40] VolVE (~abc@h0030ab04c826.ne.client2.attbi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:41] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [19:41] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:41] sethk: Now i fergot :P [19:41] lol [19:41] sethk: I use ubuntu [19:41] sethk: Which distro you use? [19:41] sethk: ac97 driver is loaded [19:41] FTTP, I use slackware, debian, and fedora at the moment. [19:41] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:41] exhaust: don't use "ac97". all alsa drivers begin with "snd-" in their module names [19:41] exhaust, you did lsmod | grep -i ac and saw the ac driver? [19:41] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:41] sethk: How is slackware? havent used it in years [19:42] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [19:42] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:42] Triskelios, you sometimes need the ac97 driver on top of the real (snd) driver [19:42] sethk: Debian still has the best update system right? [19:42] do I need to add this line in /etc/crontab to execute a script with a gap of 5minutes? -> 5,10,15,20,25,30... * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.hourly.. [19:42] FTTP, I don't use package managers, so I'm not able to say whichis the best. In my opinion they are all unacceptable (and unnecessary) [19:42] sethk: right, but "ac97" is not the proper name of any alsa-related driver [19:42] ac97 and ac97_codec [19:42] sethk u code by hand? [19:43] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:43] err i mean compile [19:43] compiling takes ages :P [19:43] FTTP, always. [19:43] FTTP, doesn't take me ages. [19:43] sethk: why not gentoo then :) [19:43] FTTP, because I'm not interested in an O/S where you spend time figuring out how to get their bizarre install system and update system working. [19:44] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:44] FTTP, gentoo has no reason to exist. [19:44] Action: amrit chuckles [19:44] sethk: you dont want to do that but you enjoy compiling, interesting :) [19:44] FTTP, with gentoo, you don't compile. You watch their installer compile, usually unsuccessfully [19:44] sethk: i never tried gentoo actually [19:44] FTTP, and in the end you get a slower machine. [19:45] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/1 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:45] FTTP, don't. [19:45] i like ubuntu [19:45] its debian based but easier to use [19:45] sethk, have you realized how unhelpful the fedora channel seems to be? [19:45] swim, not as bad as #debian, but yes. [19:46] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:46] swim, they like to stoke their own egos by insulting you. Not you specifically, everyone. [19:46] sethk lsmod |grep -i ac .. ac97 and ac97_codec [19:46] sethk: ubuntu people are very friendly actually [19:46] exhaust, ok, I don't remember what problem you are having. [19:46] sethk: for fedora, yeah they are rude [19:46] exhaust, didn't say anything about ubuntu, just about #debian, and swin aboud #fedora [19:47] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:47] exhaust: remove ac97. and that should be snd_ac97_codec. please be accurate [19:47] sethk: I know [19:47] sethk: but im saying [19:47] they are friendly than debian :) [19:47] xmms plays .. i mean equalizer bars are moving but no sound comes out of my speakers [19:47] so its debian with friendly help [19:47] heh [19:47] FTTP, that's not saying much. :) [19:47] sethk, Im trying to find out if FC3 has atmel wireless modules at install... otherwise I need to download them so I can install it from cd... after FC3 install [19:48] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:48] exhaust: and everything is unmuted? and audio cables are ok? [19:48] swim, I wish you would do what I've told you so many times, and use a kernel from kernel.org. I know that 2.6.8.1 and 2.6.9 have drivers for atmel included. [19:48] sethk: Im constantly on the lookout for new distros which are simple to use with gnome GUI and preferably debian based [19:48] Triskelios: it's a notebook, no cables, i can't find mute [19:48] sethk: I used to like stormix but they went bust [19:48] swim, by the way, I'm using atheros with a beta driver, and it is working quite well. [19:48] and progeny too [19:48] exhaust: alsamixer. and I said this earlier, the driver for your chip is probably intel8x0 [19:48] which went poof [19:49] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:49] now they are back but its a different concept and not the same [19:49] FTTP, any company that gives things away, and doesn't charge for something, will go poof. [19:49] sethk: stormix charged ..... [19:49] sethk: For boxed sets [19:49] sethk, what atheros? [19:50] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/1 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:50] seth: free downloadstho [19:50] stormix sold servers and stuff too [19:50] Cheradenine (~26m@212.55.36.72) left irc: " Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [19:51] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [19:51] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:51] swim, as far as I can tell, all of them. I'm using mostly Netgear for the wireless I'm building, plus whatever is installed in one of the laptops. [19:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormix [19:51] i love wikipedia :) [19:51] swim, the hub and PCI cards are netgear. I can get the models if you really care. [19:51] wikipedia has so much information [19:51] sethk, no Im asking what is atheros? [19:51] alsa mixer shows bars and i turned them all to max, lsmod shows im using i810_audio driver [19:52] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:52] exhaust: M in alsamixer is mute [19:52] FTTP, I have no idea what information you are talking about, but who cares whether wikipedia has it or not? [19:52] swim, a wireless card manufacturer, like atmel [19:52] swim, sorry, a wireless chipset manufacturer. [19:52] MegaByte (1000@200222215091.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:52] sethk its an impressive website, part of the opensource project too i think [19:52] exhaust: and i810_audio is *not* an alsa driver [19:53] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [19:53] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:53] swim, they don't sell the end user products. Most .11b products have atheros chipsets. [19:53] yeah they have a chatroom on here :) [19:53] lots of people [19:53] exhaust: remove non-alsa modules and load the alsa ones before using alsamixer [19:53] sethk, ah Im just going to install FC3 just for the heck of it [19:53] Ok ... M was the colpit. [19:53] swim, can't hurt. It only takes about 45 minutes, and most of that is machine time. [19:53] THANKYOU [19:53] M? [19:54] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:54] oh well, as long as it works. :) [19:54] shift m [19:54] FTTP: everyone knows about wikipedia. and there is no " the opensource project" [19:54] err just m .. whatever, man. [19:55] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [19:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/1 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [19:55] #linuxhelp: mode change '-o sethk' by sethk!~seth@216-19-209-139.getnet.net [19:56] Mo666 has gone fishin' some noobs. !gameinfo for info. [19:59] exhaust, I just wasn't following the whole conversation, don't worry about it. [19:59] ryblo_f (~ryblo_f@70.214.85.253) joined #linuxhelp. [19:59] no problem, i appreciate everyones help. [19:59] sethk: long story short: he had audio on mute [19:59] Triskelios, ah, ok. [20:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:00] Writing user file... [20:00] Writing channel file... [20:00] one more question, i don't get sound from a flash website that plays music. [20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [20:01] thebag (~thebag@dsl-62-10.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [20:01] outlier (~mothas@209-198-172-235-host.prismnet.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.3/20040910]" [20:01] exhaust, are you running a sound server? [20:01] swim (~joshua@ip68-228-40-88.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:02] what other sound daemons are there other than artsplay? [20:02] there was one on my system I used previously but forgot [20:02] crys (~cjohnson@ip-216-226-4-28.formysite.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:02] i looking at flaming lips website [20:02] trickdog (~trickdog@dialup-4.244.99.246.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:02] thebag, artsplay is not a sound daemon. artsplay is a program to play .wav files when _using_ the kde sound daemon (artsd) [20:03] exhaust, do they have lots of alsa information? [20:04] oh.. ok.. either way though there was a program or something I used before which I forget [20:04] www.flaminglips.com [20:04] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|tv [20:04] thebag, gnome has a sound server also, I forget the name. [20:04] probably begins with 'g' :p [20:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:05] esd [20:05] I don't have gnome.. I forget what it was.. but I used it so sounds could play from amsn while I was also playing sound from xmms [20:06] DocGerbils (~Fake@dsl092-067-076.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:06] Yohoo! Back again... [20:06] hey [20:06] probly has something to do with flash plug-in if I'm not getting sound from that site [20:06] ...and gone for tomorrow. good nite [20:07] i've got a bit of a problem, was going to see if anyone had any advice for me... [20:07] thebag, that's what artsd does also. It is the default for kde. [20:07] Mo666 (~mo666@c202206.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [20:07] DocGerbils, eat an apple every day [20:07] :) [20:07] DocGerbils, all work and no play makes jack a dull boy. [20:07] that's right, eat a macintosh [20:07] DocGerbils, maybe you could be more specific? [20:07] sure [20:08] i've got what i think might be some sort of corruption w/ a FAT32 drive [20:08] dean@dim:~ $ sudo fsck.vfat /dev/hdc1 [20:08] Password: [20:08] dosfsck 2.10, 22 Sep 2003, FAT32, LFN [20:08] FATs differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT ? [20:08] 1) Use first FAT [20:08] 2) Use second FAT [20:08] but in windows, it chkdsks without any complaints [20:08] i can point you to a thread w/ more details if you would like [20:09] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5199 [20:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:10] the last part of the post has all of the bizarre symptoms of this problem [20:10] kreg (~kreg@209.161.26.78) left irc: "Leaving" [20:10] artsd isn't what I was using [20:11] let me know if there is any more info i can give you :) [20:11] I put my sound card into another PCI slot now my apps like cdplayer wont play ;( [20:11] exhaust (~billy@ip68-9-150-211.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:11] i then used fedoras sound configuration and it plays perfectly [20:12] but the apps still won't play [20:12] trickdog: um, analog CD playback needs a cable running from your CD drive. you probably unplugged it [20:12] it shows that it's playing but there is no sound [20:13] oh yeah thats probably it [20:13] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [20:13] thanks in advance [20:13] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [20:13] aah full duplex fixed it [20:13] trickdog: you also have the option of digital playback (by reading the CD) [20:13] i was wondering about that [20:14] kreg (~kreg@209.161.26.78) joined #linuxhelp. [20:14] i mean cd analog oxymoron type thing [20:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:17] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [20:17] so if it reads a wma file of a cd should it play? [20:17] if the proper plugin is installed? [20:18] trickdog: wma? wtf? [20:18] WMA??!!??!?!?!?!??!?!?! [20:18] windoze media format [20:18] Why would we have WMAs? [20:19] yeah yeah i converting them all to oggs asafp [20:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:20] mpg is proprietary as well but can you play and ogg i a ipod? [20:20] I don't care if it's proprietary, as a format it just sucks [20:20] which format sucks [20:20] WMA. [20:20] i agree [20:20] MP3 isn't that great either. AAC is about at the same level. [20:21] IMTheNachoMan (~asdfsdfas@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [20:21] yes but... i would like to play them on house with a mouse sam i am [20:22] circuitous city sells players for MP3 [20:23] Tcl error in script for 'timer757764': [20:23] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [20:23] trickdog, then someone else around the corner sells the same players for less money. [20:23] like clockwork, every other time i boot up, linux gets a kernel hang, last line is "ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:02:02.0[A] -> GSI II (levl, low) -> IRQ 11" any one know what this is? [20:23] then Best Buy sells them for twice as much, with rebate [20:23] chodapp, :) that takes 18 months to arrive. [20:23] Sigh.... I want there to try to get speakers once. [20:24] speaking of mp3 players, you are aware that there are a few players that work w/ ogg, right? [20:24] I said I needed two 5.25" speakers for my car. [20:24] The salesmonkeys asked what kind of car. [20:24] They all ran to their computers to find the specs of the car. They incorrectly told me that I needed 6x9" speakers. [20:24] chodapp, Best Buy? They are trecherous. The sell things everyone knows the price of, for less, and they sell other things, for more than any other store. [20:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:25] 10 minutes later, the salesmonkeys came back and announced, after I had said I needed 5.25" and shown them the old speaker bracket, that I needed 5.25" speakers. [20:25] i will chek out the ogg players [20:25] IMTheNachoMan: try booting without acpi [20:25] http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware [20:25] i wasnt getting the error then but i need acpi [20:26] chodapp, I guess their hammers were missing that day. [20:26] the irivers are pretty sweet [20:26] cool [20:26] The cheapest ones were some crappy Pioneer ones... he turned them up loudly and they didn't sound like much, and he proceeded to turn on the other models to show that each one sounded a bit better. I left after a minute or two. [20:26] IMTheNachoMan, try turning P&P off in the bios. If it is off, try turning it on. [20:26] newegg.com often has some decent prices on players [20:26] one other is the Karma by rio [20:26] trickdog: the newer rios, and neuros also support vorbis [20:27] DocGerbils, true, but they are another one that jacks up the prices on things that are less common. [20:27] DocGerbils, so you have to be careful and always check up on them. [20:27] i am chekin out newegg.com [20:27] I went across the road to REX. The salesman listened to my story and sold me a pair of Sony speakers with much higher specs for $30 [20:28] anyone tried to get dual monitors to work on a laptop? i havent tried but dont know if its a simple or complicated processos [20:28] My dad is in marketing and said the guy probably just cut me a deal so I'd remember the name and come back later.... [20:29] IMTheNachoMan, you mean the internal and another attached to the VGA port? If so I've done it, but the method I used is specific to ATI. [20:29] sethk: good cause i have an ati card [20:29] also anyone know of a faster wav ripper then paranioa [20:29] _56k (1000@acs-24-154-73-105.zoominternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [20:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:30] IMTheNachoMan, it was a little confusing; their nomenclature made it sound as if two identical screens were one configuration, and using both as a big area is another configuration. [20:30] xio04 (~knoppix@64.9.41.107) joined #linuxhelp. [20:30] IMTheNachoMan, that's true, only the docs were reversed. :) [20:30] ahh [20:30] IMTheNachoMan, cdparanoia is a command line tool that, in my experience, is very fast. [20:30] IMTheNachoMan, so I don't believe that a better one exists. [20:30] i'm trying to find network hp printers on a network, is there a tool to scan for the printers? or maybe i should ask how would i find the printers [20:31] gotto go thanx for the help guys [20:31] trickdog (~trickdog@dialup-4.244.99.246.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:32] well like a min to rip a track to wav [20:32] Action: ryblo_f slides sethk a chair, a towel and a cold beverage for all his hard work [20:32] grepper (~robert@HSE-MTL-ppp65617.qc.sympatico.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:33] sethk: where were these docs? [20:33] however fsck -f doesn't return any errors [20:33] lemme see what is involved in it [20:34] IMTheNachoMan, I don't remember, it was a while ago. I moved my monitor over to my main desktop where I have dual DFP oututs. Shouldn't be hard to find, though. [20:34] ok il google round [20:34] thx for the input [20:34] il do it later now its bed time so [20:34] thx [20:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:36] boy, 24MB RAM on a 486DX/50 sure makes long work of C++ compiling :( [20:36] ryblo_f, that may be the understatement of the year. [20:37] even i have 32mb on my 486DX/50 i use [20:37] :) hmm maybe i'll upgrade that to 64 someday and add a gui [20:37] bah, compiling on a P120 with 48 MB RAM was never that bad..... 486 might be 1/4 the speed..... [20:37] chodapp, the amount of memory is the killer. [20:37] Action: ryblo_f high-fives xio04, "486DX/50 brutha!" [20:38] Action: xio04 hell yea [20:38] Action: chodapp never saw compiling as insanely memory-intensive [20:38] Action: xio04 somebody must be right [20:38] Action: sethk has tested it, and the results are dramatic, but you have to add enough memory to avoid swapping. [20:38] which is a lot. [20:38] my old 486/33 is still in use, to my knowledge... the P120 still has use as a DOS box.... [20:38] maybe if I was smart enough to compile on my XP1700 machine and target the laptop... [20:39] but that will come with experience I suppose [20:39] ryblo_f, do the make config on the laptop, either tar it up and move it to the new machine, or mount the directory using NFS on the faster machine, and let her rip. [20:39] i think my 50mhz was the first pc i had linux on. hmm yep 1994 ish. that was one hell of an install at the time [20:39] sethk: oh wow... that easy, eh? [20:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:40] ryblo_f, don't forget that you have to bring back three or four things (fourth if you use a 2.6 kernel): The build directory of course, /boot, /lib/modules/your.version.number, and (for 2.6) /boot/grub. [20:40] ryblo_f, the NFS mount is for obvious reasons much easier. [20:40] sethk: this isn't a kernel compile... [20:41] ryblo_f, what, then? Shouldn't matter, the NFS idea will still work. [20:41] sethk: ever hear of centerICQ? [20:41] ryblo_f, no. what is it? [20:42] sethk: it's an ncurses-based client for ICQ, MSN, AIM, Y!, IRC, etc... [20:43] ryblo_f, ok. Are we still talking about compiling it with the compiler on a faster machine? [20:43] grepper (~robert@HSE-MTL-ppp65617.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [20:43] sethk: haha, nevermind that. thanks for willing to help, though :p [20:44] sethk: it's been cooking for a few hours now, should be done one of these years! [20:44] NetDude (~NetDude@c-24-8-207-162.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:44] anyone here familiar with evms configuration? [20:44] ryblo_f, make sure that it is producing output, not in a loop somewhere. [20:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:45] ryblo_f, count the number of .o files periodically, make sure there are more as the build goes on. [20:45] slash|server (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] slash|server (~vidarlo@217.149.127.10) joined #linuxhelp. [20:46] sethk: hehe, I don't think it's even produced any object files yet, but I've been watching the stdout/stderr. I can almost tell what's going on by listening to the HD swapping out mem pages :P [20:46] ryblo_f, compiling C++ is very very slow, regardless of the machine. The slow machine, of course, adds a lot to the pain. It is just a poorly constructed compiler for this particular case, [20:46] ows (~ows@a81-84-114-211.netcabo.pt) left irc: "Client Exiting" [20:46] ryblo_f, You have to be sure that the machine is not thrashing. Are you familiar with thrashing? [20:46] sethk: :O [20:47] sethk: no...? [20:47] ryblo_f, here is what happens if you are thrashing, which with that mount of memory you may well be. [20:47] dsabenz (~champion@219.83.23.229) left irc: "lunch" [20:48] Tcl error in script for 'timer760764': [20:48] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [20:48] ryblo_f, the O/S swaps some things out, to make room for something to be executed, an area needed for writing. [20:48] ryblo_f, that piece of code, in turn, needs one of the things you just swapped out. So it gets swapped in, but the thing that needed it in the first place gets swapped out to make room. This goes on forever. [20:49] sethk: oh, I see [20:49] ryblo_f, if that is happening, it will nver get anywhere. Check in /var/log/messages, the O/S sometimes will log messages related to such a problem. [20:49] sethk: will do [20:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:50] wegi_ (~wegi@83-65-27-238.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #linuxhelp. [20:50] jordan (~godel2@pcp09959900pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:50] sethk: now watch, I log into tty4 and that ends up being the straw to break the camel's back :P [20:51] I just rebooted my computer forcefully (I had to, long story) and now when debian starts up I get "unable to mount hd error, please run fsck manually" - i'm not sure what to do. does anyone have any useful references to docs about this or any ideas? thanks [20:52] ryblo_f might well be. If it takes forever for the shell to come up, that would be a bad indication. [20:52] jordan, boot into single user mode and try the fsck. Use -v, and capture all the error messages. [20:53] jordan, if you don't want to go to single user mode, and can umount the partition, then we can use some tools on it to try to see what is blocking fsck. [20:53] jordan, is it an ext2 file system, ext3, etc.? [20:53] i am sorry to say i have no idea [20:53] sethk: only recent messages look like: [20:53] i dont know how to check even [20:53] jordan, easy to tell. just do umount /directory/where/mounted [20:54] and i'm not usre what device to run fsck on - i tried hdd [20:54] Nov 16 20:40:11 jetter -- MARK -- [20:54] jordan, mount (with no arguments) will tell you about what is mounted. [20:54] sethk: ah it's /dev/hda1 [20:54] so should i try e2fsck -p /dev/hda1? [20:54] jordan, ok, and what is the mount point? [20:54] the mount point is / [20:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [20:55] type ext 2 [20:55] it says (rw,errors=remount-ro) [20:55] jordan, that's the root file system, so you can't do it on line. You have to, either, use the argument to shutdown that forces an fsck on the next boot for /, or use a rescue CD [20:56] argument to shutdown would be better since i have no rescue cd :( [20:56] is it -F? [20:56] jordan, let me check [20:56] jordan, yes, -F. [20:56] great - i'll try "shutdown -r -F" then [20:57] Ancer (~Ancer@S010600265410f92c.ed.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:57] sethk: is my IRC client pasting BS away/back messages to the channel? [20:58] ryblo_f, I don't see them, but I have all messages like that blocked. Let me unblock it. [20:59] a related question: do those backup HDs work well with Linux? is there an easy "plug and chug" way of duplicating an HD on linux? [20:59] sethk: well, no worries [20:59] ryblo_f, I turned it on, and I'm not seeing anything. [20:59] <_sho_> yawn [21:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:00] Writing user file... [21:00] Writing channel file... [21:00] sethk: thanks. [21:00] sethk: i'm such a luser with these console-based apps :| [21:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [21:02] ryblo_f, well if your machine doesn't have enough memory, that's not a problem with the way you are doing things. [21:02] DocGerbils (~Fake@dsl092-067-076.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:02] sethk: I think the compiler's doing well so far. [21:03] wegi (~wegi@83-65-65-172.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:03] ryblo_f, good. You might want to attach strace to it for a while, and make sure that it isn't waiting for the O/S to return control to it, because that would likely indicate that it will never get that control. [21:03] sethk: I'm keeping an eye on things with stdout/stderr and with the 'top' application. [21:03] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:04] Tcl error [bMotion_event_nick]: random limit must be greater than zero [21:04] Nick change: amrit|tv -> amrit [21:04] ryblo_f, ok, but strace -p ### is better, because top shows you all the cpu time it spends in "itself", not in library calls. [21:04] okay... the ### would be the PID I assume? [21:04] ryblo_f, it's almost surely working, but attaching strace for a few seconds and making sure it isn't stuck is easy to do. [21:04] ryblo_f, yes strace -p [21:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:05] regeya (~shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:05] sethk: I'll have a go... [21:06] ryblo_f, if you see things start flashing by on your screen, then you are good. No need, at least yer, to look at the contents of the traffic. We're just looking for it stopped and waiting on a signal, or a kernel function that hasn't returned, or whatever. [21:06] s/yer/yet [21:06] although yer sounds better. :) [21:07] grem (~grem@x-112-99.resnet.montana.edu) left irc: "Leaving IRC to go to _real_ life!" [21:09] sethk: :P [21:09] FTTP (~FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] seth: it says , after reboot: "/dev/hda1: unexpected inconsistency; run fsck manually (without -a or -p) -- it says "mount -n -o remount,rw/" [21:09] sethk: ok, strace isn't installed... dont' think now would be a good time to do it, eh? [21:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:10] and the prompt says "give root password for maintenance" -- that's where i was before when i did: "shutdown -F -r now" [21:12] ryblo_f, might not hurt, but you would likely have to stop your compile. Unless you can install a binary. [21:12] jordan, ok. It won't boot, correct? [21:12] sethk: no kidding? well... I've got my slackware CD mounted through NFS already. [21:12] seth: no - it just gives me access to a root shell, in single user mode i guess [21:12] Flinn (Halffast@r53h85.res.gatech.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] sethk: but right now mount is on /dev/hda1 mount point is /proc not / like before [21:13] if i do: e2fsck /dev/hda1 it says "e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause severe filesystem damage" - i can't risk that [21:13] jordan, that may be good. It probably means you are running in a ramdisk. If so, you can umount /proc, and check it. [21:13] sethk: so umount /proc ? [21:14] jordan, yes [21:14] jordan, before you do that [21:14] jordan, sorry it this is too late, do mount with no arguments to make sure that /dev/hda1 really is mounted on /proc. [21:14] jordan, although you would get the nasty message otherwise. [21:14] it is [21:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:15] ok i did it and got no errors [21:15] jordan, you have to use the -f flag [21:15] Flinn (Halffast@r53h85.res.gatech.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [21:15] for which command? [21:16] jordan, because as soon as you start fsck, it mounts the file system as clean, and e2fsck says "I don't have to check this" [21:16] Hey. Does anyone know if it's possible to take apart one of those Microsoft mice that don't have screws? [21:16] jordan, -f means, do it regardless of what you think the file system state is. [21:16] Flinn, sure, if you don't want to put it back together again. :) [21:16] sethk: so umount -f /proc and then just run fsck /dev/hda1 / ? [21:16] sethk: :( [21:17] jordan, no, umount /proc and then fsck -f /dev/hda1 [21:17] oh ok [21:17] Flinn, I think is snaps apart, the wonder way that plastic always does. [21:17] it says "running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause severe file system damage -- do you want to continue" ? [21:17] chodapp (1000@blackbird-day-216-68-113-60.fuse.net) left irc: [21:17] Flinn, look for a little area big enough to put a screwdriver in to pry it apart. [21:18] jordan, ok, then it is not, in fact, unmounted. do mount (no arguments) and tell us what it says. Or paste it (4 lines or more to #flood, three lines is ok here) [21:18] crap, now it says /dev/hda1 on / -- i don't understand why [21:18] before it clearly was mounted on /proc [21:19] jordan, a buggy situation doesn't necessarily make sense. [21:19] jordan, did you install from CDs? [21:19] sethk: yes [21:19] sethk: There's a little plastic tab thing on the inside.. like battery covers have [21:19] sethk: it's weird [21:19] seth: should i try shutdown -F .... again ? [21:19] sethk: I think I will try messing with that before I pry.. [21:19] i mean, if fsck was forced to run then shouldn't it have been on some place other than / [21:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:20] Flinn: you could try squeezing the sides, near the middle... see if it wants to give at all [21:20] jordan, sure, why not, but the same thing will very likely happen again. [21:20] Flinn: it takes finesse :P [21:20] sethk, so what's the alternative ? is it possible to umount / ? i'm guessing not [21:20] jordan, you can run fsck in read only mode, which may tell you what is going on but won't, obviously, fix it. [21:21] xio04 (~knoppix@64.9.41.107) left irc: "Leaving" [21:21] jordan, if you can construct another root file system, you can use pivot-root and chroot to make some other partition the root partition. [21:21] jordan, then you can umount it. [21:21] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] i'm afraid i don't know how to do that. are there any guides/HOWTOs for this? [21:22] jordan, the reason I asked if you installed it from CD, is that for all the distros (all that I have tried is more accurate) the first CD is also a rescue CD. [21:22] i installed it from a cd but i don't have it here [21:22] jordan, do you have another computer that can write an iso image to a CD? [21:22] and since i installed it, i used debian's system update [21:22] nope :\ [21:22] jordan, that doesn't matter, a rescue disk can be used with any distro. [21:22] ok.. I got the buttons loose [21:23] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:23] jesava (z@c-feb470d5.012-16-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [21:23] jordan, but if you don't have it, and can't burn another, that isn't terribly helpful. [21:23] Flinn: why disassembing? [21:23] hi. how do i get diff to output :: ?? [21:23] ryblo_f, physical therapy? [21:24] jesava, it does that by default. [21:24] sethk: uhm.. no. i us diff -a file1 file2 .. and it does not [21:24] jesava, yes, it does. You will see something like 123 vs 128 [21:24] sethk: i'm very confused as to why this happened - my keybaord is messed up and my password screen saver went on and the caps key was locked, so i wasn't able to reenter my system so i forcefully rebooted. and then this happened. it's such a silly situation and i'm not sure why the mounting failed [21:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:25] wow, according to Google, 1,470 pages misspell 'assembling' :P [21:25] lol [21:25] they spell it 'assembing' [21:25] ryblo_f, I'm afraid to ask why you wanted to know that. :) [21:25] jordan, almost all the linux file systems are rather delicate. [21:26] acce| (~adam@12-222-206-159.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:26] jordan, You're in a pickle, you need a root file system to find out why your root file system isn't working. [21:27] sethk: can he use something like mulinux? [21:27] jordan, if there is no way for you to get hold of a rescue floppy or CD, then you are probably stuck [21:27] ryblo_f, he can't download or write anything, and he can't boot. So I don't see exactly how that might help. [21:27] sethk: but he can connect with IRC? [21:27] sethk: do you think any old Debian (first) CD would do in this case? [21:28] ryblo_f, this is a different computer, obviously [21:28] jordan, it should. I'm not a debian expert, but the version doesn't matter. We just need to get to a command prompt without / mounted. [21:28] a mac laptop with no burner [21:28] hmm [21:28] IMTheNachoMan (~asdfsdfas@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:28] jordan, there are floppies around that can do it, if the mac can write floppies. [21:28] once i get that prompt , i would just follow the original procedure, right? umount / and then fsck -f /dev/hda1 [21:28] jordan: if it has a floppy drive, that may provide an avenue [21:29] this mac has no floppy - it's one of those powerbooks [21:29] jordan, except that it is likely that without a mounted root file system (which can be in RAM) there isn't much you can dow. [21:29] MrFrogg (~MrFrogg@cs2417434-103.houston.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] jordan, you can try this: shutdown -f now [21:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [21:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:30] what would that do [21:30] did you mean -F ? [21:30] jordan, that does the opposite, it skips the file system check. That might allow you in. We would still have the problem of constructing an alternate root file system [21:30] jordan, no, -f says _don't_ check it. [21:30] jordan, I'm hoping it will come up anyway. [21:30] jordan, unless you already know that this won't work. [21:30] MrFrogg (~MrFrogg@cs2417434-103.houston.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:31] i haven't tried it, trying it now [21:32] jordan: if nothing works, spend some time cleaning that keyboard, heh. [21:33] it's not that - it's one of those retarded bilingual microsoft keyboards - the key doesn't get physically stuck, it's just stuck on caps mode [21:33] sethk: it says "Give password for maintenance or type control-D for normal startup" (how can you "type" control-D") [21:34] gotta flush some RAM, bbiab [21:34] jordan, try hitting the caps lock key a bunch of times, with control, with alt, sometimes you can get it back into the mode you need. [21:34] ryblo_f (~ryblo_f@70.214.85.253) left irc: "[BX] Mike Tyson says BitchX BITES! Do you HEAR what I'm saying?!" [21:34] this mouse is a bitch. I don't think it's meant to open, but I can't see what's preventing it from opening [21:34] jordan, they mean just to use the keyboard to type control-d [21:34] Flinn, crazy glue? [21:34] gneato_ (~gneato@user-12lm9fe.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:34] I just broke it open [21:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:35] the top was connected to the bottom with a cylinder of plastic [21:35] if i presss control-d then it loads a few more services then gives me a prompt [21:35] in other words, it was impossible to do without breaking [21:35] but it says (none) login [21:35] and nothing works as it should [21:35] NOOO [21:35] it was possible [21:35] NOOO [21:35] there was a screw hole under one of the pads on the bottom [21:35] wait it let me run x [21:35] ok i'm back in x [21:35] nOOO [21:36] I broke my mouse for nothing [21:36] stuff seems to be working now... hmm this is so weird. sethk what would be the proper thing to do now that i'm back in the system? [21:36] jordan, when you are ready to shutdown, use the shutdown -F command as you did before. [21:36] my hostname isn ot recognized.. it's just mycomp@(none) [21:37] jordan, what is? Did you get that by using the hostname command? [21:37] sethk: does it matter if i do: shutdown -F -r now or shutdown -F -h now? (reboot or shutdown totally?) [21:38] jesava (z@c-feb470d5.012-16-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "!" [21:38] sethk: when i look at the prompt, it just says foo@(none) where foo is my comp name. the usual host name is "underlevel" but it won't be recognized [21:38] when i did: "startx" it complained about no hostname too [21:38] ryblo_f (~ryblo_f@70.214.85.253) joined #linuxhelp. [21:38] but x is running and i am able to open rxvt and other programs [21:38] wow.. this is the dirtiest thing I've ever seen that isn't naked [21:39] errr - now when i try to run something like : dhclient eth0 it says eth0 doesn't exist. SHIT [21:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:40] jordan, this is beginning to sound like it isn't the file system at all. [21:40] it probably isn' [21:40] t [21:40] jordan, has anything unusual been done to the machine recently, or has anything important (like the kernel) changed? [21:40] absolutely nothing [21:41] this is completely out of the blue [21:41] i it all started from a forced reboot, just hrs ago [21:41] jordan, try doing "ifup eth0" [21:42] "failed to open stats file - permission denied" [21:42] jordan, if you can get eth0 up, we can mount the linux partition using NFS from the Mac. Does a mac have an fsck program for ext2? [21:42] jordan, are you root? [21:43] <_sho_> 700/me kicks Tweedle-dee [21:44] no but if i try it as root i get "SIOCSIFADDR: no such device... eth0: error while getting interface flags: no such device" and a bunch of other "no such device" errors [21:44] Does anyone know how I should go about switching from devfs to udev? [21:44] driver's not loaded [21:44] jordan, try to su and do it again. I've seen that SIO.... message whenever something is wrong and the ifconfig can't figure out what. [21:44] gneato_: very carefully [21:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:45] umm [21:45] sethk: evidently the low-spec laptop won't be able to compile that app for lack of sufficient RAM/swap space. [21:45] right-o [21:45] sethk: if i execute "ifup eth0" again i get: "eth0 already configured" [21:45] sethk: what do you call the 'host compile for target' routine? I'd like to read up on it some. [21:45] Nick change: wegi_ -> wegi [21:45] ryblo_f, you mean strace, or the thing you are building? [21:45] and dhclient eth0 still fails [21:45] sethk: the CenterICQ app [21:46] ryblo_f, see if you can ping anything, the dhcp server, the mac, whatever. [21:46] jordan: you're missing the driver for your ethernet card [21:46] ryblo_f, what kind of memory does it use? [21:46] Triskelios, his config is borked, but maybe he can insmod it. [21:46] Triskelios, it must be a filesystem prob - because normally the driver is just loaded [21:47] Triskelios, but in my experience, if the driver is missing, it will act as if eth0 doesn't exist. [21:47] sethk: as far as... EDO/SDRAM? that kind of thing? [21:47] Must I recompile my kernel to stop using devfs, or can I just disable it somehow? [21:47] Triskelios, so it is hard to see how, if it says "already configured", that could cause it. But it's totally illogical anyway, so it's as good a thing to try as any other. Possibly better. [21:47] gneato_, recompile [21:48] ok, I did insmod tulip; and now dhclient eth0 works [21:48] I think I'm online [21:48] yes, I can ping - I am on. [21:48] sethk: the ifconfig "no such device" is what gave it away [21:48] ryblo_f, yes, I'm thinking about how easy it might be to upgrade the memory. [21:48] mydsmbr (~ella@ip-202-37-227-98.internet.co.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [21:48] Triskelios, yes, but it also said already configured. Bizarre. [21:48] sethk: I've maxed it out, as far as the factory manual specifies. [21:48] maybe automounting drives aren't worth the risk =/ [21:49] ryblo_f, then you'll have to build it elsewhere and bring back the binaries. [21:49] but my linux system has no cd burner - is there a way to fix this w/o a floppy/CDROM now that i have net access? [21:49] hey is there like a macro application for kde so I can just use a shortcut to insert a signature? [21:49] gneato_, automounting should not be used unless you have thousands of directories and can't practically mount them all. [21:49] sethk: well, ifup is sort of an init script; I wouldn't trust the output from it [21:49] Triskelios, true [21:49] because the signature system for kmail doesnt work for me. [21:49] sethk, I only mean for cdroms/cdrws in Gnome [21:49] sethk: ok, sounds like a plan. what would a HOWTO writer call 'building elsewhere'? I'd like to try it. [21:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:50] mydsmbr, you can assign shortcuts, but I've never tried assigning one to a script file that I created myself. [21:50] ryblo_f, the HOWTO probably doesn't mention it. [21:50] sethk: hmm... well I've never done it, so I'm at the total hand-holding stage at this point :| [21:50] ryblo_f, the NFS mount is the best option, because then it will link with all the headers and libraries that are already on the laptop. [21:51] sethk: ok, well NFS is up and running on the laptop and the 'host machine' already [21:51] gneato_, no good reason to do it. "mount /mnt/cdrom" is not terribly difficult to type. [21:51] gneato_, that's not automounting. Rather, there is a specific protocol called automount so using the term here is confusing. [21:52] I see. What's the function I'm thinking of called? [21:52] ryblo_f, next step is to export the directory from the laptop, which you do by editing /etc/exports [21:52] I disagree though, I think it's very handy if I can have k3b start automatically when I put a blank cd-r in the drive. [21:52] gneato_, I'm trying to remember. It doesn't matter, I was just explaining why I was confused. [21:53] gneato_, well, then go ahead and do it. That is extraordinarily lazy, but it's your call. [21:53] Hehe [21:54] I think I'm going to wait until it's matured a bit more. Maybe by then it'll be the standard in my next distro. [21:54] any ideas what to do now guys? [21:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [21:55] jordan: quick one-line of the problem? [21:56] gneato_: my file system is borked and wont mount properly, i am asked to run fsck manually. i managed to get into x and get a network connection. but things are generally messed up. io don't have a cd burner so i can't createa bootable cd [21:56] sethk: ok, the build folder now has an entry in /etc/exports exporting it to the 'host machine' with the (sync) flag. [21:56] i'm not sure if a bootable cd is what i need at this point [21:56] i just want to unmount / and mount it back correctly [21:57] eek. Is the filesystem permanently damaged, or did the fsck repair it? [21:57] jordan: a boot cd is the cleanest and easiest way to do repairs [21:57] gneato_, i haven't tried the fsck yet because i am mounted on / so i can't unmount [21:57] I see. [21:58] The boot cd beckons you. [21:58] would a boot floppy do? [21:58] <_sho_> howsit goin sethk [21:58] If it's damaged, you really don't want to be writing to it. [21:58] Animatus (~animatus@d57-191-58.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:58] A boot floppy... umm.. [21:58] _sho_, not bad, I got the atheros wireless driver working. [21:59] If you could boot a kernel and have fsck available [21:59] jordan, yes, although usually it is two floppies, a root and a boot. [21:59] ick. [21:59] jordan, there might be a single floppy rescue disk still available. [21:59] sethk: or should it be the (rw) flag? [21:59] jordan, well, it takes several minutes to boot, but it is better than being dead in the water. [21:59] i googled on how to make one i don't see any guides [22:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:00] Writing user file... [22:00] Writing channel file... [22:00] Might be faster if I mailed you a gentoo boot cd ;) [22:00] yes - much better than dead in the water :) [22:00] gneato_, hehe [22:00] ryblo_f, in this case, rw, because you want it to write the .o and executable files on the laptop. [22:00] Actually, for future rescues, would you like one? [22:00] I wouldn't mind burning one and sending it over. [22:00] sethk: ok, done [22:00] yes but i don't want to trouble you with it - i can just ask from the univsity tech support people or osomeone at work [22:00] but i really appreciate your offer [22:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [22:01] jordan, that is actually, a wrong idea, but close to a good one. Download the fedora FC2 rescue CD iso image. It is very small [22:01] alrighty :) [22:01] sethk: and then? [22:01] jordan, then do a loopback mount of it, and you'll have an alternative root directory that you can use root-pivot and chroot on. [22:01] jordan, that switches the root partition to the one on the iso image, and _might_ let you umount the root partition. [22:02] sethk, would it all be in ram at that point? [22:02] mmm... [22:02] jordan, make sure that the iso file is written to some other partition that / [22:02] gneato_, no, but it wouldn't have to. [22:02] do you have another partition, jordan? [22:02] jordan, whatever you do, don't use any tool whatsoever from gentoo. If you do, you'll never get it back. [22:03] /boot ? [22:03] sethk: it seems like getting a CD would be less over my heart and easier [22:03] gneato_, there is no need for a /boot partition, so if he has an intelligent distro, he probably wouldn't have a /boot. [22:03] i'll just wait till i can get one, hopefully tomorrow :\ [22:04] jordan, if you can wait, sure. The smalled CD rescue is the FC2 rescue CD, It is less than 100 MB, so a fast download and a fast burn. [22:04] sethk, I was asking if he had *any* other partitions -- somewhere to save the .iso [22:04] jordan, I was just giving you a way to do it without waiting. [22:04] gneato_, yes, I know that, but /boot is not a good choice. [22:04] jordan, mount (with no arguments) will tell you about what partitions are available. [22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:05] I don't see why not [22:05] jordan, but, if you can wait, then it will be a lot easier with the cd. [22:05] if it's big enough, and there [22:05] dangit.. I'm out of superglue [22:05] gneato_, It's fairly obvious. If you don't see it, I'm not sure how to explain it to you. [22:05] I'm going to sue you guys [22:05] gneato_, it may not be there. It shouldn't be. And, if is unlucky enough to be using gentoo, it would not be mounted. [22:05] sethk, just the risk of screwing another partition? [22:06] sethl: but i really don't know all that stuff with pivot and chroot [22:06] I see you harbor certain ill emotions about gentoo. [22:06] gneato_, no, not ill emotions. Just ill facts. [22:06] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:06] gneato_: gentoo doesn't exactly stand for professionalism or reliability [22:07] I know it doesn't. [22:07] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:07] gneato_, plus you were saying to use /boot, which gentoo does not mount out of some absurd notion that it is more secure to not mount it. [22:07] How is it bad to have a boot partition? [22:08] gneato_, but, mostly, because gentoo makes gratuitus changes to the configuration and kernel and is a bad choice to use for a rescue disk. [22:08] sethk: I think it's more to prevent "accidents" [22:08] gneato_, it isn't bad, it is just inflexible and unnecessary. [22:09] Triskelios, I though gentoo was for people who know more about linux then everyone else. Those people certainly wouldn't make a mistake like that? And of course, they would be 100% backed up. Right? :) [22:09] sethk, it's not for "people who know more about linux" [22:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:10] You have provided evidence of this: "gentoo makes gratuitus changes to the configuration and kernel" [22:10] see you guys in court [22:10] "people who know more about linux" would want to make their own changes, aye? [22:10] Flinn, :) [22:10] Flinn, why, did we distroy your mouse? [22:11] sethk: OK, when trying to mount the laptop build directory on the host machine, mount gives an error: 'failed, reason given by server: Permission denied' [22:11] sethk: yes.. yes.. yes :( [22:11] gneato_, I said gratuitis changes [22:11] and I'm out of superglue [22:11] gratuitous [22:11] Flinn, well, it was probably already dead, or you wouldn't be opening it. [22:12] Flinn, I never could spell that word. :) [22:12] heh [22:12] sethk: No, it was just sick [22:12] sethk: but you guys are a bunch of Kevorkians [22:12] It still doesn't make a bad disk to boot with and edit configs or fsck. [22:13] Flinn, well, it probably does say "no user servicable parts inside." [22:13] I guess you would add, "or fsck things up." [22:13] sethk: tell it to the judge plz [22:13] (Which I can see it doing without hesitation) [22:13] sethk: I've run the exportfs -ra command after editing the exports file and... [22:13] :P [22:13] gneato_, no, it is just that the rescue disk I recommended is much smaller so it doesn't take as long to download. [22:13] sethk: I've added the no_root_squash flag to the exports file as well. [22:14] Alright. I digress. [22:14] ryblo_f, you would generally use -r, or -a, but _not_ both. I would do exportfs -u -a, then do exportfs -a [22:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:15] sethk: gaah, found my dumb mistake :P [22:15] sethk: alright, build directory mounted on host machine. [22:18] ryblo_f, if we are lucky, you can just build it and it will do all the right things. If the host machine has a different linux version, and a different set of libraries, it could use its own, which would be a problem. If that happens, when it finally gets to the link stage, make a static executable file. [22:19] ryblo_f, but try just doing make. We could get luck and it might do the right thing. [22:19] sethk: alright, so now we're at the point where the laptop successfully ran ./configure, and c++ was killed halfway through a make install... any cleanup to do first? [22:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:20] Jazza (Jazza@CWPP-p-144-134-229-238.prem.tmns.net.au) left irc: "( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )" [22:20] bye all. [22:20] gneato_ (~gneato@user-12lm9fe.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Client exiting" [22:22] sethk: it was killed at the point of building object files, if that helps [22:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:27] Chandra (~chandrag@mars.mds.com.sg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28] Chandra (~chandrag@mars.mds.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [22:29] siimo (~siimo@siimo.user) joined #linuxhelp. [22:29] Ancer (~Ancer@S010600265410f92c.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:29] how do i modify my TCP/IP RWIN (Receive Window or RecWIN) on linux ? my dsl speeds are slow and speedguide.net suggested this [22:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [22:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:30] they want you to increase your receive window size? [22:32] Flinn, well that site suggest it [22:32] nmatrix9 (~nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:32] it says i can only get 32kB/s at 200ms latency [22:32] sethk: okay, I'll just make a backup of the build directory and try a 'make', as you instructed. [22:33] siimo: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/tcptune/ - linux uses a dynamic window size, but you can adjust the maximum [22:33] ryblo_f, good. The alternative is to just do the make on the host, but make it a static executable so that it doesn't care about shared library versions. [22:34] Triskelios, ok [22:34] siimo, unless your window is filling up, forcing flow control, changing the window size will not help your performance. Changing the mtu might help. [22:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:36] sethk, well my windows pc went from 32kB/s transfers to ~ 120kB/s now when i adjusted this [22:37] siimo, odd. It seems unlikely that a dsl incoming could fill your tcp buffer. But I guess it does. [22:37] siimo: unless you changed something else, too? [22:38] no i did not [22:38] the window pc previously connected using dialup [22:39] sethk: okay, I'm ready to make the static binary on the host... what is the proper command phrase? [22:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:40] sethk: or, was that the second alternative? (a little confused) [22:40] ryblo_f, Try ./configure --help. It that doesn't give you the option, try adding the option to link statically to CFLAGS. [22:40] ryblo_f, if that doesn't work, what I do is copy the link command, paste it into a file, add the flag to make a static application, do a chmod +x on the file, and run it. [22:41] sethk: but I thought we were going to use the existing Makefile? Aren't we all done with ./configure? [22:41] ryblo_f, of course you could just copy it, and paste it onto the command line, and make the changes there, but I don't do that because I figure I probably won't get it right the first time, and I have the file to tinker with. [22:42] ryblo_f, probably not. Unless the host machine has the identical version of linux, then some of the pointers are probably not in the "right" place. [22:42] ryblo_f, you can try a make without configure, and see what happens, first. [22:42] sethk: oh, ok, no it is a different version [22:42] sethk: ok, then here we go with just 'make' ! [22:43] sethk: one more question :| [22:43] ryblo_f, ok. if that fails, saying it can't find something, do ./configure again. [22:43] ryblo_f, ? [22:43] sethk: am I at any risk for this procedure to overwrite things on the host machine filesystem (outside of the NFS mount tree?) [22:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:45] sethk: I won't hold you liable, of course :P [22:45] ryblo_f, I can't say with certainty that you are not. I think it is unlikely. Capture all the output, turn on a no-overwrite flag, and see if anything nasty happens. [22:45] ryblo_f, you can also use "make -n" to see what commands it will execute. [22:46] sethk: ok, here we go with 'make -n' [22:47] Tcl error in script for 'timer761528': [22:47] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [22:48] Tcl error [bMotion_event_main]: random limit must be greater than zero [22:48] sethk: well, from what I can tell, it's seeing the object files that the laptop built, likes them, then errors out on the one object file that was being built when c++ was killed [22:48] what's the error? [22:49] sethk: specifically, 'make[4]: ***No rule to make target 'src/Client.o', needed by 'liblibicq2000.a'. Stop.' [22:49] siimo (~siimo@siimo.user) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [22:49] kingsley (~kingsley@dsl-47-149.nas.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:50] It seems to me that the chart at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/percent_increase_in_bandwidth.png is a rather cool depiction of which data compression algorithms work best with which hardware to maximize network speed. [22:50] You can look up your CPU and network speeds, and the chart suggests a data compression utility to maximize throughput over the net. Comments welcome. [22:50] ryblo_f, I think the best thing to do is to start with a fresh set of course, and do the ./configure, make think. As a regular user. This prevents you from overwriting anything important on the host machine. then... [22:51] ryblo_f, go back to the laptop, become root, and see if it has enough horsepower to do make install. It should, since it is just a bunch of copies. Since the host machine can write to the laptop, but the laptop can't write to the host machine, you should be safe. [22:51] sethk: sounds good [22:51] libicq2000? heh. what is this thing, anyway? [22:51] sethk: thanks for all your help, kind sir [22:51] np [22:51] Smileee (~mark@220.245.216.43) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:51] sethk: I can feel my brain getting bigger every time I come in here :D [22:52] Triskelios: it's called CenterICQ. It's an ncurses-based client for ICQ, MSN, Y!, AIM, IRC, etc. [22:52] oh [22:52] Triskelios: saw it on freshmeat.net [22:52] k0s (~jhammel@adsl-66-218-53-9.dslextreme.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:53] Triskelios: I'm looking for a good alternative to BitchX. [22:53] ryblo_f: must be console-based? [22:53] ill tell you...looking at a 20" 1600x1200 display seems amazing after staring at a laptop all day [22:53] Triskelios: yep [22:54] Triskelios: 486DX/50MHz :) [22:54] don't suppose anyone's gotten bluetooth working under linux? [22:54] ryblo_f: sheiss! I didn't even remember 486s going that slow! of course, it has been awhile [22:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [22:55] ryblo_f: ircii-epic, irssi.. [22:55] k0s: I had a 25MHz i486DX [22:55] err [22:55] SX [22:55] ryblo_f: if I can't sneak you a P2 when my lab upgrades i'll do it [22:56] Triskelios: my first "real" computer was a 286sx, but it was 32MHz...go fig [22:56] flippo (~flippo@63.227.116.241) left irc: "Reality reasserts itself sooner or later" [22:56] Triskelios: hmm, there's a Slackware package for the epic4 client. [22:56] Triskelios: with the "turbo" button on [22:57] k0s: haha, thanks! but don't worry about it. this is just a piecy old laptop on which I'm trying to become more familiar with linux. (it's working!) [22:57] ryblo_f: whereas our P2s are friggin giant (the cases anyway) [22:58] k0s: I used to have a PII slot-type processor... I thought that was the coolest thing! [22:59] k0s: good old 440BX [22:59] heh... my other comp has a 440BX [23:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:00] Writing user file... [23:00] Writing channel file... [23:00] Triskelios: couldn't crash them with a keg of beer in you ;) [23:00] ryblo_f: personally, I thought the packaged procs+fans+what_not were pretty lame [23:00] k0s: yeah, but for an at-the-time n00b, it was all about that hologram! [23:00] nick01 (~nick01@193.231.120.213) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [23:01] there's a small pile of P2s in the acm office here, heh [23:01] don't have enough machines to use them in [23:01] I have a bunch of procs laying around too..not sure which are good, again for lack of machines to try them in [23:02] Nick change: Triskelios -> Trisk[awaay] [23:02] Triskelios: which U are you at? the acm here is pretty LA-ZAY [23:02] oops! he's gone [23:02] jhu [23:02] Trisk[awaay]: John Hopkins? [23:02] right [23:03] i have a linux with eth0 eth1 eth2 , eth0 and eth1 are in bridge mode no ip address and eth2(192.168.1.10) runs with an ip i got: dslrouter--eth0--linuxbridge--eth1--local lan then i run on eth2 a sendmail where i point all port 25 traffic from internet to to check it but how can i do the same from the internal network and out so that all port 25 traffic from internal net is scanned before it goes to the internet? [23:03] k0s: we just hosted the regional programming contest [23:04] mrbeen_: not sure...i bet iptables can do it, but I only know the basics (at best) [23:04] k0s: I'm sort of an unofficial officer at this point (I can do whatever I want) [23:04] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020116.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:05] Trisk[awaay]: unofficial..thats the best kind of officer to be [23:05] hehe [23:05] anyway, later [23:05] l8rs [23:06] mrbeen_: not sure if it will help at all, but the front-ends guarddog and guidedog _really_ eased the iptables learning curve for me. [23:06] rickest (~rickest@rtc-gw.ronan.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:08] Tcl error in script for 'timer765175': [23:08] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [23:08] iptables is pretty amazing, but it does have an incredible learning curve...can't say I expected any different [23:08] sethk: you back? [23:08] this is unsettling... I'm watching my nice 21" Trinitron beginning to exhibit all the signs of imminent HV circuit failure :( [23:08] Smileee (~mark@220-244-240-65-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [23:08] lewnidas_ (lewnidas_@patr530-a166.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [23:08] mrbeen_, on and off. [23:08] ryblo_f: :( [23:08] suppose it's time to remove the casing and start poking things :D [23:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:11] sethk: just in case you still wanted to know, the laptop uses 88pin JEIDA DRAM cards (non-parity, 3.3v) [23:12] Action: ryblo_f is the king of old hardware [23:12] jordan (~godel2@pcp09959900pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:15] psyklops (~psyklops@86.193.205.68.cfl.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [23:17] ryblo_f, I was just wondering if I had some lying around here. [23:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:21] yiy..time to clean the old media partition again [23:24] xDSL (~Night@D8679.d.pppool.de) joined #linuxhelp. [23:24] tar -czvf folder.tar.gz folder this command makes tar.gz, how can i make just .tar ? [23:24] xDSL: take the -z out [23:24] if my human brain could makes sense of multiple audio tracks at the same time, this would go much quicker [23:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:25] Oky [23:25] Thank you [23:25] or, if I had a bigger HD [23:25] np [23:25] AzMoo[work] (~AzMoo@gateway.welland.maxima.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [23:25] sethk: well adding more RAM to what's in it now might be analagous to putting jet fuel into a Geo Metro :P [23:26] AzMoo[w] (~AzMoo@gateway.welland.maxima.com.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:26] k0s: eh? [23:26] ryblo_f, probably, but it would be an interesting experiment, as long as I'm not close to the car. [23:27] ryblo_f: have to listen/watch multiple copies of the same files to see which is better quality [23:27] ryblo_f: well, don't have to...but since I'm at 98%, its about time [23:27] k0s: :O [23:28] they need 40GB DVDs or something [23:29] of course, not having a DVD-R drive on this computer makes that somewhat superfluous [23:29] k0s: 30 gigs are coming out soon [23:29] sethk: my goal for this laptop is to have graphic web browsing and IRC, my CDMA mobile as a serial modem, and a GCC/SVGAlib development env. [23:29] sethk: my friend and I are getting into basic game programming. [23:29] nmatrix9: really? Wow...so soon we'll be able record DVDs from DVDs...cool [23:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [23:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:30] k0s: lol yeah thats probally what most of us will be doing [23:30] ryblo_f, most game programmers go for a big machine with lots of memory. [23:30] ryblo_f: why SVGAlib instead of openGL? [23:30] sethk: well... I'm old-school I guess [23:31] k0s: we're not yet into graphics, really. I figured SVGAlib would be a good place as any to start, when we get there. [23:31] k0s: we're just now writing the character generation routines [23:32] ryblo_f: i'm playing with openGL, but I guess it depends on what sort of graphics you're doing [23:32] sethk: hopefully we can reuse a lot of our code when we eventually take our games into modern graphics. [23:33] sethk: but my friend is doing solely the game mechanics, and I'll be translating it all into C to start. We can do this with just text and maybe minimal graphics, to start. [23:33] k0s: what are you working on? [23:34] k0s: project-wise? [23:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:35] nmatrix9 (~nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: [23:35] ryblo_f: my main goal is to make a plotting library, analogous to gnuplot or matlab's libraries, but without the deficiencies of such, and hopefully cross-platform [23:35] ryblo_f: but going is slow, as my work/research doesn't support this project, to their own detriment, IMHO [23:36] k0s: are you a mathematician? [23:36] ryblo_f: engineer, close enough [23:36] ryblo_f: or engineer in training, technically [23:37] k0s: awesome [23:37] ryblo_f: you'd think so...i just wish there were more engineering jobs outside of the military..and evil companies like M$ [23:38] lockheed martin, whatever [23:38] lewnidas_ (lewnidas_@patr530-a166.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [23:38] k0s: my friend who's working with me on this game has _stacks_ of concept aircraft he'd like to build someday (and he'd die if he knew I told anybody :P) [23:38] k0s: I hear you there [23:39] NetDude (~NetDude@c-24-8-207-162.client.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.2/20040803]" [23:39] k0s: I'm coming out of government work now, and from here on out, I'm going to be very particular about my future loyalties. [23:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:40] ryblo_f: good for you! I'd take almost anything at this point except weapons development, which I'm indirectly helping :( [23:41] k0s: hmm... are you interested in quantum engineering? just out of curiosity? [23:41] ryblo_f: very little quatum. plasma physics...right now the breakdown of air in RF fields for a plasma riot gun [23:42] someday, I'll be on the wrong end of that gun, I figure [23:42] k0s: whoa [23:42] Action: ryblo_f figures that's when it's time to go SSL or something :P [23:42] ryblo_f: yeah, it sounds cool. but I feel like such a patsy to Bush and the military conspiracy [23:43] ryblo_f: re: ssl. yeah probably, as I'm sure using "military" and "conspiracy" in the same line has got to be flagged somewhere [23:43] ryblo_f: I have no security clearance though, thank god...unlike some of my friends [23:43] k0s: hehe, 'click!' [23:44] k0s: I'm not paranoid about my rights to free speech. But it never hurts to be overly cautios. [23:44] ryblo_f: espec in this day and age [23:44] k0s: just to be extra safe. [23:44] Action: ryblo_f nods [23:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:45] k0s: I'm fascinated by quantum physics. I don't have much education, but I can't stop reading books about it. [23:46] k0s: it's a shame where all the money goes, though. all for the buck. [23:46] ryblo_f: you like feynman? [23:47] rickest: not familiar with feynman.. author? [23:47] ryblo_f: yeah, i love quatum too. if I could start my studies again when I was about 12, I probably would have looked into quatum and/or cosmology. but too many years have been invested in plasma engineering to switch ships now...at least with finite money [23:47] rickest: Feynman was great [23:47] ryblo_f: nuclear physicists, did quantam mechanics later [23:48] ryblo_f: tremendously interesting character [23:48] rickest: one of the few physicists that could actually explain things understandably [23:49] k0s: yeah, he preached a lot about the difference between knowledge and understanding [23:49] rickest: i've meant plenty a physicist or engineer that had much knowledge but no understanding [23:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:50] k0s: for sure, perhaps the majority [23:50] rickest: probably. espec, as ryblo_f says, since the main motivation is the almighty $$$ [23:51] rickest: sad, really [23:51] yeah, ugly circle [23:51] rickest: yeah, and I work for the bastards :( [23:51] his role in '86 columbia explosion was quintessential [23:51] anyone got a simple 40hr/wk IT job? please? [23:51] Action: ryblo_f nods [23:51] k0s: we all do at some level my friend :) [23:52] that would be great to pull together a nucleus of all the good people we know from IRC... form a microcosm society, a model on which to shape the world after it inevitably breaks [23:53] ...oh. [23:53] sheepxsink (~jack@c-24-7-127-192.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:53] how do I pipe the stdout and stderr to a FILE? [23:53] ryblo_f: great idea. i always thought there should be a network like that, as linux/GPL is to the M$ world of coding [23:53] prog 2>&1 > out.txt [23:54] err, prog > out.txt 2>&1 [23:54] k0s: if the 'workplace' could expand to fill the role of the 'schoolhouse' as well, parents and children would spend time learning together. [23:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [23:55] rickest, 2>&1 before |, but after >. One of the reasons I ditched bash for a better shell. [23:55] hrmm.. [23:56] yeah, redirs redirect to +current+ output devices, not future ones specified on the right :) [23:56] what alt shell? [23:56] k0s: I've tried to reconcile the current state of affairs with something decent, but keep coming up with the notion that you've got to start from scratch. *shrug* I guess that means the best thing to shoot for is, you know, a microcosm. [23:56] I use perl for almost all scriping anyway, but a power cmdline is always welcome [23:57] ryblo_f: sounds good. if you find a way for me to eat+sleep+etc, I'd be happy to join [23:57] k0s: just ideas, that's all. nebulous, nagging ideas :/ [23:58] ryblo_f: well, like I said, if you do find a way, count me in [23:58] k0s: well, thank you ^^ [23:58] this isn't working [23:59] i've done this before [23:59] just forgot [23:59] DocGerbils (~Fake@dsl092-067-076.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:59] prog > FILE [23:59] sheepxsink: no: prog > FILE 2>&1 [23:59] in bash, anyway [00:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:00] --- Wed Nov 17 2004 [00:00] Backing up user file... [00:00] Backing up channel file...