[00:00] Writing user file... [00:00] Writing channel file... [00:00] would routes have something to do with it? [00:00] <_sho_> possibly [00:00] <_sho_> how are you routing [00:00] <_sho_> nat? [00:00] no routing [00:00] othernick = amrit|zzz [00:00] this is the firewall box [00:00] so it's exposed to the internet [00:00] two ips [00:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [00:02] any ideas? [00:03] Tcl error in script for 'timer720067': [00:03] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [00:03] Ancer (~Ancer@S010600265410f92c.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:03] nuckinucki1236 (~nuckinuck@pD9E1FB98.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:03] bobsulei88 (~nuckinuck@pD9E1FB98.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[00:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:11] um, setup(hd0) to install in the MBR [00:12] i have XPs bootloader in there, set to use an bootsect.lnx file that is made with dd if=/dev/hdc5 [00:12] it worked perfectly [00:13] until i wrote vga=791 in menu.lst [00:13] i deleted that part, ran update-grub [00:13] you might've put the option in the wrong place.. [00:13] paza (~mikko@ilmi.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [00:13] hi, does anyone know how to insert regular expression into openoffce calc cell ? [00:14] hey people, hows it hangin [00:14] if i did, then it should be a problem no more, because menu.lst is the one i used before the incident [00:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:15] Zer0One: well, hd1 should be "hdb" in linux... [00:15] hm.. [00:16] i have 2 hdd, the second one is seen as /dev/hdc [00:17] grub didn't complain at setup(hd1,5) [00:17] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:17] *sigh* [00:17] t35t0r (~t35t0r@cookeville-24-158-166-127.midtn.chartertn.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:17] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:17] I was hoping to use 2 nameservers [00:17] but it's looking like it'll be too much a hassle to get it setup [00:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:20] thx Triskelios for input, i'll see what.. i can do [00:20] Zer0One (System@94.Red-83-33-235.pooles.rima-tde.net) left irc: [00:20] SerajewelKS (chris@dialup-4.224.159.181.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:20] Yamabushi (~Yamabushi@ip68-102-249-200.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:21] there was some discussion in here a few weeks ago about whether code that is released under the GPL could be used in a proprietary application by the owner. it seems that the last paragraph of the GPL does, in fact, prohibit this. [00:21] If I connect to a computer, and then ssh into another, will I be using the terminal program I logged into the first machine with? [00:22] yes [00:22] or wait, maybe the last paragraph isn't talking about the author's use.. hmm [00:22] you'll be as secure as the least secure connection [00:23] Tweedle-dee, that depends [00:23] depends on what? [00:23] Tweedle-dee, if the least secure connection is a crossover cable, i think you're fine [00:23] well... [00:23] SerajewelKS: a copyright owner has all rights (unless he disclaims them) [00:23] but then i guess that is a secure connection in some sense [00:23] Triskelios, that's what i thought [00:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:29] it's interesting having an open-source project that was started for fun, and finding out that you're immediately classified on yahoo as the super-leet [00:29] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:29] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] which, depending on the crowd you're with, can be either a good or a bad thing [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:33] i'm also amazed at how i can release a new version on sourceforge, and almost overnight 200 mirrors have it [00:34] javaROCKS (~k00giez@adsl-69-106-248-35.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:34] ...but your project site and cvs repository can still be unavailable for days at a time when sourceforge throws a fit [00:34] spike (~spike@spike.user) joined #linuxhelp. [00:34] that's the fun part [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:35] Triskelios, my site isn't hosted on sf =) [00:35] bigtony (~bigtony@c-24-99-11-82.atl.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [00:36] 'lo Triskelios [00:36] question: anyone get the following error when using mplayer 586 alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error no such file or directory? [00:37] yo spike [00:37] bigtony, cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV mixer [00:38] bigtony, never mind [00:38] bigtony, cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV audio [00:39] /dev/audio isn't used on modern linux systems [00:39] Triskelios, i never said it was [00:39] ok let me try and thanks [00:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:40] Triskelios, ./MAKEDEV audio creates audio-related nodes. (i.e. mixer, dsp) [00:40] bigtony, make sure you're root [00:40] oh, it's an alias [00:40] ok [00:40] i did [00:40] thoreauputic (~petros@wolax7-088.dialup.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:40] let me try again [00:40] bigtony, what is your distro? [00:40] ubuntu debian [00:41] okay, i have debian too [00:41] so you /should/ have MAKEDEV [00:41] same error [00:41] even after typing as you stated [00:41] what error [00:41] just because a device exists doesn't mean it's actually THERE [00:41] question: anyone get the following error when using mplayer 586 alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error no such file or directory? [00:42] Yamabushi (~Yamabushi@ip68-102-249-200.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:42] Tweedle-dee, "no such file or directory" implies that the node doesn't exist [00:42] true [00:42] bigtony, what error does MAKEDEV give you? [00:42] OR permissions [00:42] none [00:42] Tweedle-dee, no then it'd be "permission denied" [00:42] hmm... [00:42] bigtony, type "ls /dev/mixer", what do you see? [00:43] ok han gon [00:43] the dir listing thats all [00:43] no files [00:43] wait [00:43] /dev/mixer [00:43] is all it shows [00:43] <_sho_> damn [00:43] so mixer is a directory? [00:43] <_sho_> anyone use resin? [00:43] yes [00:44] bigtony, copy and paste me the output from this: ls -ld /dev/mixer [00:44] err not a mixer [00:44] err dir [00:44] any ideas KF about my net problem? [00:44] its the file i mean but here is the output [00:44] crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 2004-11-14 02:43 /dev/mixer [00:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:45] mmkay, so the node does exist [00:45] bigtony, as your normal user, type "groups" and paste me the output [00:45] Tweedle-dee, looks like it might be permissions after all [00:45] ok [00:45] one question is there a command to get out or root otehr than exiting and restarting terminal? [00:46] bigtony, start a normal terminal and use "su" to get root [00:46] then you can just type "exit" [00:46] another thing is there is no device bound to /dev/mixer [00:46] or you can do what i do..have two terminals, one for root and one for non-root [00:46] Tweedle-dee, possibly [00:46] thats wat i was wondering ok hang on [00:46] bigtony, also try typing 'cat /dev/null > /dev/mixer' as root and tell me what you see [00:47] groups gives me this [00:47] bigtony adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner [00:47] okay so your permissions are okay [00:47] kreg1 (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:47] cat returns nothing [00:48] humm [00:48] restart mplayer? ;) [00:48] and/or alsa [00:48] you might think about snd-mixer-oss first :) [00:48] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:49] same error [00:49] Tweedle-dee, the device node is there and writable [00:49] doesn't mean anything SerajewelKS [00:49] that means that there is a device attached [00:49] not true [00:49] unless it's devfsd [00:49] Tweedle-dee, you're not on the same page [00:49] or udev [00:49] Tweedle-dee, i had him do 'cat /dev/null > /dev/mixer' and there was no error [00:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:50] so? [00:50] try using a mixer program [00:50] if no device was attached it would say no such device or address [00:50] it might be a NULL device :) [00:50] i can play sound with xine and so forth [00:50] had that happen to me once (before I used devfs) [00:50] Tweedle-dee, then why would it say no such file ;) [00:50] bigtony: do you have snd-pcm-oss [00:50] let me see hang on [00:51] sometimes device nodes are created, but not bound to [00:51] that's why I like devfs [00:51] no apt-cache returns nothing on it [00:51] only bound nodes are present [00:51] errr [00:51] lsmod bigtony [00:51] bigtony, it's a module, not a package [00:51] lsmod | grep snd-pcm-oss [00:52] also SOME sound devices don't HAVE a mixer [00:52] no return [00:52] so it creates a NULL mixer bind [00:52] bigtony: modprobe snd-mixer-oss [00:52] Nick change: Triskelios -> Trisk[awaay] [00:52] no return [00:53] lsmod|grep snd [00:53] see if mixer is in there [00:53] it shows it there [00:53] good [00:53] try again now [00:53] try what now? [00:53] mplayer [00:53] ok so the modprobe put it there or something? [00:54] just trying to follow what your doing [00:54] modprobe inserts modules into the kernel [00:54] module probe :) [00:54] good deal [00:54] thanks i'm still learning so i appreciate the time [00:54] :) [00:54] works now? [00:54] on like day 5 of linux [00:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [00:55] hehe [00:55] same problem thugh [00:55] hmm... try it as root (just to test it out) [00:55] what soundcard is this? [00:55] dang how do i break it ctrl alt f2? [00:55] Tweedle-dee, if i didn't know any better, i'd say mplayer is chrooting ;) [00:55] possibly [00:56] would it be a codec issue? [00:56] no [00:56] kreg1 (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) left irc: Operation timed out [00:56] it's looking for a physical device [00:57] when i type mplayer at root i only get instructions on how to use [00:57] the gui doesn't come up [00:57] what soundcard you have bigtony [00:57] its integrated on the gateway mobo [00:58] bigtony: um, something like the brand, type, chip, model, etc. [00:58] gateway..... *no comment* [00:58] maybe we should try aumix [00:58] [pkh] (~kvirc@118.Red-213-97-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:58] AC97 probibly [00:58] hey its an old computer [00:58] i was gonna throw it in the trash [00:58] oh [00:58] 1990's? [00:58] but if igured i'd learn linux on it [00:58] yeah [00:58] p3 450 [00:58] so it might be a crystalfusion [00:58] bigtony: try to run dmesg on a console and see if you can find something [00:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:00] Writing user file... [01:00] Writing channel file... [01:00] brb [01:00] brb [01:00] Tweedle-dee (~animeloe@animeloe.user) left irc: "leaving" [01:00] its ensoniq [01:00] audiopc97 [01:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [01:02] did you get any sound using another program, well, let's say xmms or mpg{123.321}? [01:02] yep [01:02] sound works fine [01:02] mplayer has never worked for me [01:02] i just finally got 586 to install [01:02] and the mozilla plugin to work [01:02] i can go to websites and they play fine [01:02] but loading up an avi and its not working at all [01:02] kreg (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:03] video works but i get the constant popups [01:03] dlmeta-riey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:04] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:04] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) joined #linuxhelp. [01:04] only reason i don't use xine is it keeps on crashing on me [01:04] just freezes [01:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:05] war- (war@209.81.41.149) joined #linuxhelp. [01:06] haah whats funny is the sound plays [01:07] bigtony: what file you're trying to open ? avi or ? [01:07] avi file [01:07] here is whats strange [01:07] if i open the file with file browswer using mplayer [01:08] it works fine [01:08] no errors no nothing [01:08] did you get any sounds if you're opening another file, let's say mpg? [01:08] but if i open in X [01:08] mplayer where i have the nice little controsl and all [01:08] i start getting popups [01:08] yeah sound is working fine [01:08] even in this one [01:08] the popup is whats annoying [01:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:10] aww are they two different apps or something [01:10] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-e05ae353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [01:10] i looked at the properties and its gmplayer [01:10] SerajewelKS (chris@dialup-4.224.159.181.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left irc: "Pop goes the weasel" [01:10] MetaCosm__ (~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:11] kreg (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:12] Tcl error in script for 'timer723406': [01:12] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [01:12] squidly (~squidly@pcp05310935pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 14400 seconds [01:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:15] t35t0r (~t35t0r@cookeville-24-158-166-127.midtn.chartertn.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:17] oneforall (~oneforall@204.50.32.67) joined #linuxhelp. [01:17] hdd: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } man I'm so sick of seing this and never getting a fix for it [01:17] new dvdrw and its getting it too . another mobo etc too :( [01:18] lite-on SOHW 1633 dl [01:18] wel i'm out for the night [01:18] thanks for the help [01:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:20] bigtony (~bigtony@c-24-99-11-82.atl.client2.attbi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:22] dlmeta-riey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] hey can dvdrw and cdrw be on the same cable ot it better to put them on prime and secondary? [01:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [01:26] MetaCosm_ (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:26] iceman684 (eraser@3ffe:1001:570:10:b:0:0:1) joined #linuxhelp. [01:26] oneforall: i think it's the disc. i got such error with my gentoo disc. [01:27] oneforall, better to put two CDs on a single cable than to mix CDs and hard drives [01:29] weird think is now after allt he darn attempts its reading the spot it kept dieing on err [01:29] think/thing [01:29] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:29] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:29] Tweedle-dee (~animeloe@animeloe.user) joined #linuxhelp. [01:29] whoops changed my mind on thet [01:29] kreg1 (~kreg@dsl-209-151-53-65.fiberpipe.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[02:27] what's the subnetmask to ips from 192.168.0.24 to 192.168.0.31 ? [02:28] Tusnal (Tusnal@94.8.223.82.arsystel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:28] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:28] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:29] cavaleras: do you know how to convert decimal to binary? [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:30] PabloII (~10344C67A@121.Red-81-44-201.pooles.rima-tde.net) left #linuxhelp. [02:30] hmm yeah but i honestly forgot how :P [02:31] i remember 255 is 11111111 [02:31] :P [02:31] ok, take some pen&paper then ;) [02:32] okz they are ready, waiting kasc :P [02:32] blacksadness (~blacksadn@194.146.153.147) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] write down 2^n with n=1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 in reverse order [02:32] oh, wait, it should be 0 to 7 [02:33] lol [02:33] you forgot :P [02:33] ;) [02:34] those numbers represent your bits [02:34] yeah [02:34] but i really need that subnet [02:34] now try to express 24 and 31 with a sum of those bits [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:35] kasc: you do ipv6 :P [02:35] aha [02:35] no, ipv6 would be 2^n with n=0 to 15 per block [02:35] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp08392498pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:36] hmmm [02:36] shit that was very stupid of me [02:36] if you have those numbers in binary, note all bits starting with the highest that didnt change [02:36] 170.175 [02:36] subnet 248 :P [02:37] i meant 170 to 175 [02:37] if you still can't do the math, there are several netmask calculators on the net. [02:37] sethk it is 248 with 6 ips range [02:37] from 170 to 175 [02:37] that's if i'm correct [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:43] cavaleras, I have to convert the numbers to binary. That looks correct, it's actually an 8 IP range, but the first address is the network address and the last address is the broadcast average, so there are six usable IP addresses. The netmask must reflect the eight, not the six. So it is oxff ff ff f8 [02:44] which is in decimal 255.255.255.248 [02:44] cavaleras, as you said. [02:44] 11111000 [02:44] hehe thanks sethk :) [02:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:45] but here's a tricky question question what about a seven usable ips ? [02:46] cavaleras, no such thing. Has to be a power of 2, -2 [02:46] aha i thought so :) [02:47] sethk i made a mistake in my iptables firewall script [02:47] voldy (~voldy@tony11-134-71.inter.net.il) joined #linuxhelp. [02:47] who here knows about dealing with the "iso-9660 filesystem read ahead bug" mentioned in the mkisofs and cdrecord manpages? [02:47] which is blocking 3 usable ips [02:48] voldy, use a speed flag and slow down your write speed. [02:48] cavaleras, possible. [02:48] i've been trying to use the padsize= option, but i still get it. usually the last large file burned to a dvd doesn't work properly. [02:48] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:48] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:48] voldy, try using the -raw flag. [02:49] sethk: in mkisofs or cdrecord? [02:49] cdrecord [02:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:50] ok i'll try that. thanks, sethk [02:50] drstein (~drstein@200.228.163.45) joined #linuxhelp. [02:50] hello. What make mrproper in kernel compiler process do? [02:51] drstein, returns the directory to the state it was in before you configured or built anything. [02:52] and if i want make my kernel config like the actual kernel state, can you understand-me? [02:52] and reconfigure in this step forawd [02:53] because i have many trouble when I compile it. Many erros e problems [02:53] Indal (~hidihi@noc.mistral.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:54] hey guys, i am needing help with sound on my debian sarge [02:54] sethk can you understand-me? [02:54] i haev kernel 2.6.8-1-386 [02:54] cavaleras (~Unixx@danyzone.net) left irc: [02:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [02:55] is there a way to figure out how many files i have in a perticular directory recursivly? [02:55] tty1 'du' ? [02:55] drstein: that gives you a count, ok..ill look [02:55] drstein, I'm not sure. I you have a .config from a directory that compiled properly, you can drop it into the directory and do "make oldconfig". This won't work if you are porting from 2.4 to 2.6 [02:56] tty1, no, not du. find . -type f -print [02:56] tty1, that will give you all the files in . (current directory) and any subdirectories. [02:56] tty1, the dot (.) can also be replaced by a path /xyz. If you don't want the subdirectories, use -maxdepth 1 [02:57] sethk: and will cound them? or no [02:57] tty1, to count them, do find ...... | wc -l [02:57] sethk: alright thanks [02:57] sethk i am using slack 10. i will try, recompile the source in /usr/src [02:58] drstein, use a kernel from kernel.org, if you aren't already. [02:58] katz_ (~Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:58] and the kernel that come with my slack distro? [02:59] i just want make fine tunning [02:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:59] :) [02:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [03:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [03:01] sethk you say that mrproper return the DIR to state before configured. and make clean? [03:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:06] drstein, make clean only erases the object files and executables. It does not erase the configuration. [03:08] oddbudman (~odd@c210-49-61-240.rochd1.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [03:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:12] octan (~octan@213.161.164.111) joined #linuxhelp. [03:13] hello [03:14] Tcl error in script for 'timer727664': [03:14] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [03:14] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:15] katz__ (~Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[03:33] Jazza (Jazza@CWPP-p-144-134-229-30.prem.tmns.net.au) left irc: Broken pipe [03:33] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.116.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [03:33] sethk: i just tried the -raw mode, but got an error. i'm using dvdrecord, not cdrecord, and i got an error that data sectors are not yet supported in raw mode. [03:33] voldy, too bad. I can't think of anything else to try. [03:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:36] para|ysis (~paralysis@195.251.136.69) left #linuxhelp ("developing negative into a positive picture..."). [03:36] misc- (~foreach@202.168.52.201) joined #linuxhelp. [03:37] the same discs seem to read fine in windows [03:37] voldy - whats the problem? [03:37] when burning dvd's, one or two files, usually at the end, have IO errors [03:38] i.e., if it's a video, i won't be able to search in it and it'll only play part of it. if it's text i won't be able to cat it. [03:38] hello... i can go to http://www.somedomain.com/some_path/index.html but, if i type wget http://www.somedomain.com/some_path/index.html, then i get a 403 error: Forbidden - how can that be so, if I can get index.html via a browser but not wget? [03:38] bummer [03:39] the mkisofs and cdrecord manpages mention some kind of iso9660 linux filesystem read-ahead bug, and suggest using padsize= to pad the end of it... but i've been trying that without any luck [03:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:42] huh - never saw that before [03:42] it's a real pain in the arse... the same discs play fine in windows [03:42] oh, and if i burn them in windows using nero, i still get the same errors trying to read them in linux [03:42] yeah - man mkisofs says its a problem with the OS reading [03:43] SilentBob (~eth73@ool-182f6ee3.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:43] How can I mount a bin/cue image file.. [03:43] Without converting it to iso [03:43] have you tried mkisofs -print-size, then cdrecord tsize=Xs where X is what mkisofs said? [03:44] CarlK: no, you think that'll help? [03:44] voldy - make that cdrecord tsize=Xs -sao [03:44] no ;) [03:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:45] actually it's dvdrecord i'm using, not cdrecord, but that's just a spinoff of cdrecord... and it only works with -dao [03:45] i know my drive wont let me just pipe mkisofs|cdrecord [03:46] drstein (~drstein@200.228.163.45) left irc: [03:46] mirk (~mirk@dhcp065-024-080-116.columbus.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:46] print-size just gives a number. i need to slap an 's' on the end of that for tsize [03:46] ? [03:46] yes [03:47] voldy - ls -l `which cdrecord dvdrecord` [03:47] on my FC2 box, dvdrecord is a 96 byte shell script that just calls cdrecord [03:48] sleon (sleon@pD95E7BBC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:48] hi [03:48] not that it makes a huge differenece, but it will save you the trouble of trying both [03:48] is there any good tutorial for LDAP? [03:49] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:49] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [03:49] not here, cdrecord is 133 bytes, and dvdrecord is 244k [03:49] and it's not just a shell script, i tried to cat it and it's gibberish [03:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:50] Nate_Grey thx [03:51] cdrecord is 133 bytes? [03:51] np sleon [03:51] RickX (~rick@159-27.26-24.se.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:51] drbombay43 i am using fc1 [03:52] voldy -cdrecord -version; Cdrecord-Clone 2.01-dvd [03:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/20 e/- I/-] [03:55] ledestin (~ledestin@ledestin.amur.ru) left irc: "Client exiting" [03:56] Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a38 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 J\uffffrg Schilling [03:56] i have the debian apt-get version [03:57] you know, when i do a dvdrecord, it always gives me the following warning. I always assumed it was insignificant and ignored it. Think it could have something to do with my problem? "dvdrecord: WARNING: Drive returns wrong startsec (0) using -150" [03:57] I get that too [03:58] what does dvdrecord -version give you? [03:58] dvdrtools v0.1.5 [03:58] Based on: [03:58] Cdrecord 1.11a15 (i386-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 J\uffffrg Schilling [03:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:59] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [03:59] given that, i would say stop using dvd and start using the cd one [03:59] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-e05ae353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [03:59] it can do dvds as well? [03:59] yup [04:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [04:00] Writing user file... [04:00] Writing channel file... [04:00] same exact syntax? [04:00] yup [04:00] ok i'll try that next time [04:00] do you have a dvd-rw ? [04:00] I just picked up 2 for $6 - makes testing a bit easier on the wallet [04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [04:01] yes, but i haven't been able to burn rw's properly yet. drive's a pretty big pain in the arse in linux. in windows it works great [04:01] i haven't managed to burn rw's in linux at all [04:02] anyway, i gotta run - baby's crying and i'm hungry... i'll bbl... thanks for your help, i hope that using cdrecord will solve the problem, and i'll try with the tsize=Xs option too [04:02] see ya [04:02] cdrecord blank=fast ... [04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/20 e/- I/-] [04:07] dimm0k (~nmok@pool-68-161-141-224.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:07] Hey. Is there any way to do a columned ls with filesizes? [04:07] the only way I can figure out to do gnu ls with filesizes is ls -l [04:07] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-213-023-192-078.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:08] I can do ls -s, but that's block size [04:08] sleon (sleon@pD95E7BBC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:08] Flinn, du -hs * [04:08] ? [04:09] I was wanting to column it.. [04:09] plus ls has colors [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [04:10] .... are you serious [04:10] lol [04:10] So write an awk script to take columns $5 and $9 [04:10] Or just take a screen shot.. [04:10] And gimp it up. [04:11] I dunno wtf you're trying to accomplish though. [04:11] ;) [04:11] I'm trying to be able to ls files and get a listing that will show me an entire big directory on a single screen [04:11] with filesizes, because I often need to look at those [04:11] but if it's not easily doable... [04:12] ls -sa --blocksize=1 will approximate it [04:12] ls -hs [04:12] ? [04:13] ls -hsS [04:13] sort by file size [04:13] Flinn - have you seen FSViewPart in Konqueror? [04:14] SilentBob: yea, that's pretty good.. I want to see the whole byte total though :PP [04:14] I know I'm being picky .. [04:14] yep [04:14] man ls [04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/20 e/- I/-] [04:15] [04:15] but it's helpful to compare to see if two files are the same, without doing diff [04:15] rather..if two files aren't the same [04:15] md5sum * [04:15] Don't rely on file sizes. [04:15] Use 128bit hashes [04:15] SilentBob: yea, I read all the man stuff [04:16] SilentBob: I'm not -- but if two files are different sizes, you know for sure they're different [04:18] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-208-191.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:18] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [04:18] maybe I'll try what you said.. and alias ls -something to an awk script [04:19] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:19] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:06] Ah, so easy :). cat sth | sed 's/str1/str2/' [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:11] ld (~littledra@82.76.1.205) joined #linuxhelp. [05:12] Hi. How does -j MARK work ? How are packets affected by a rule with -j MARK ? [05:13] Tcl error in script for 'timer729254': [05:13] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [05:13] Sagstuen (~roger@80.239.69.147) joined #linuxhelp. [05:13] Sagstuen (~roger@80.239.69.147) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:13] Well actually I made some rules and I want to see if my packets get marked... How can I do that ? [05:13] I can't see anything obvious with tcpdump and ethereal... [05:14] fiber (~fiber@adsl203-144-051.mclink.it) joined #linuxhelp. [05:14] hello, i have a file that is in a samba mount from a 2000 machine onto this linux box but i can't change the file (mv: cannot move `Student Bulletin.htm' to `Student Bulletin.html': Text file busy) however the file is not listed in lsof... can someone please help me resolve this issue or direct me in the right path? [05:14] queuetue (~Scott@h69-21-252-54.69-21.unk.tds.net) left irc: Connection timed out [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:16] d31 (~d31@CPE-144-136-91-185.nsw.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [05:16] MUUSHU` (~mo699898@c66.168.24.174.mad.wi.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:16] heh - you are one step ahead of me [05:16] mo699898 (~mo699898@c66.168.24.174.mad.wi.charter.com) left irc: Connection timed out [05:16] katz_ (~Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [05:17] pretty sure this worked 30 min ago, but now it is erroring [05:17] mount -t smbfs -o username=carl //v333w98b/c c [05:17] Nice computer name :) [05:17] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //v333w98b/c, or too many mounted file systems [05:19] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:19] in fact, it is still mounted from another box: //v333w98b/c on /mnt/smb/v333/c type smbfs [05:19] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [05:19] queuetue (~Scott@h69-21-252-54.69-21.unk.tds.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[05:29] chipset, or, chip [05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:30] MetaCosm__ (~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:30] cwanderer (cpp@82.79.129.66) joined #linuxhelp. [05:30] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:30] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [05:30] I found a wlan adapter, but I wanted to know if it's supported by linux [05:30] Good day ! Is there a free online version of the "Linux+ Certification Bible" out there ? [05:31] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:32] cwanderer: If there is, you'll be able to find it with google. [05:32] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:33] Need to be certified? I'm afraid there isn't (no real knowledge tho) [05:33] I feel certifying is not something the OS community would be very interested in =D [05:33] hmm redhat have theres [05:33] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:34] RHCE and RHCT [05:34] and then there's windows and MCSE [05:34] solaris [05:34] well..actualy I'm on a learning process..curiosity led me to read Linux+ certification Objectives..so I thought , a Linux+ Certification Bible 'should' teach you how to achieve those objectives..so it should be a pretty good book [05:34] Indal, but these are probably not free beer, but a business fo rthem [05:34] RHCE sounds so alike to MCSE :D [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:35] yeh and CCSE [05:35] Cisco ? [05:35] yeh [05:35] it's all about the E's and the C's [05:35] C'mon, CCNA is quite nice :) [05:35] menewbe (~i@cn-nawij-cb02-0493.dial.kabelfoon.nl) left irc: [05:35] cwanderer, it just might be. Or it might be written for newbies and be too simplistic and all, which might be a plus for some :) [05:36] cwanderer: but as long as free stuff is considered, I must mention www.tldp.org - LOTS of stuff there [05:36] cwanderer freshmeat.net search:linux certification [05:36] try the guides first [05:38] damn my isp doens't provide nntp support, anyone knows a good fast nntp server ? [05:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:40] _tj_ (~tushar@203.115.117.56) joined #linuxhelp. [05:40] hm..ok..thanks [05:40] <_tj_> quit [05:41] _tj_ (~tushar@203.115.117.56) left irc: Client Quit [05:41] cwanderer (cpp@82.79.129.66) left irc: [05:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [05:46] blacksadness (~blacksadn@194.146.153.147) joined #linuxhelp. [05:48] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[06:06] orignal is python [06:06] python.. that's right [06:09] Tcl error in script for 'timer732899': [06:09] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:10] Emil_Zeuthen (~emil@0x503ea254.boanxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life [06:11] bakercp (~bakercp@x84-5-51.vpn.umn.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [06:11] _matt (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:c4d6:eaac:9b9f:7bc4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:11] _matt (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:c4d6:eaac:9b9f:7bc4) joined #linuxhelp. [06:14] ld (~littledra@82.76.1.205) left irc: [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:18] ziggy_ (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[06:36] i'm trying to print on a large network but i'm not sure the printer, how can i get a list, if i scan smb i get alot of windows computers. don't think its what i need. this would be like laser printers with a network connection i imagine. [06:37] arg... FC2 box will mount a win share, but the gentoo one wont - same command says: mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.48/d$,... [06:37] anyone know what I should look for? [06:38] hmm, /var/log/messages: Nov 16 14:46:35 LinuxBook1 smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported [06:38] what does that mean? [06:39] Tcl error in script for 'timer734612': [06:39] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [06:39] tty1 (~freemo@r-69-3-168-73.phlapafg.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:41] sysfault (~exalted@ool-44c0244a.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:42] jondy (~jmohsin@203.81.196.2) joined #linuxhelp. [06:43] hello [06:43] i have a problem in using at command [06:43] can anybody help mw [06:43] me [06:44] jondy (~jmohsin@203.81.196.2) left #linuxhelp. [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:49] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:49] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [06:49] well what is the problem [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:52] wegi (~wegi@83-65-65-172.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #linuxhelp. [06:53] testing12356 (~president@wbs-217-122.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [06:53] how do you force all packets originating from a specific port on a local NATd network to exit the network onto the net via a specified net connection? I have two available net connections (pppd's) on my debian router box. [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/20 e/- I/-] [06:55] google: lartc [06:55] lartc: http://lartc.org/ [06:55] Kalodium (~Kalo@dialup-194.112.220.203.acc01-john-stp.comindico.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [06:55] testing12356: check that link [06:55] spike ive worked through the bloody this twice ;) [06:55] i still dont grok it [06:56] testing12356: go for the third, u won't find naything better than it. it holds the truth about advanced networking better than any other doc [06:56] just give urself time [06:57] Action: testing12356 opens another bag of cheetos ... dims the lights in his basement and starts the 3rd round [06:57] xio04 (~knoppix@156.12.13.5) left irc: "Leaving" [06:57] loesh (~loesh@212-112-181-46.opennet.wtnord.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:57] Nick change: Triskelios -> Trisk[class] [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/20 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... 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[07:12] how can I let users mount dvd/cdrom/floppy? [07:13] roRisc: add the 'user' or 'users' mount option to fstab [07:13] /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom0 iso9660 noauto,user,ro 0 0 [07:13] SilentBob (~eth73@ool-182f6ee3.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:14] dripOl (~dripOl@81.13.156.68) left irc: "HapPy sLAckY" [07:14] SilentBob (~eth73@ool-182f6ee3.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:14] thsnks. [07:14] thanks. [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/20 e/- I/-] [07:15] lunchbox (~chris@c211-30-84-225.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [07:15] foureyes779 (~theron@63-228-100-62.tukw.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:16] how can I mount everything under /etc/fstab? 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[08:07] hi [08:08] how could i split some file into one [i mean i wanna append the content] [08:09] Tcl error in script for 'timer736330': [08:09] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [08:09] >> [08:09] yea [08:09] but i have many files [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:10] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.167.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:10] are you doing it in perl, bash, zsh? [08:10] etc [08:10] bash [08:10] well i can't remember for bash :-S only mostly use perl really [08:10] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit|cls [08:11] is there a command for sftp to copy files to a destination only where the existing file is older than the current file or not present? [08:12] alessio (~case@pbale.ifc.cnr.it) joined #linuxhelp. [08:12] help! [08:14] Action: spike calls 911 [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:15] bwlang (~bwlang@h00a0cc520a75.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:17] britt_radiofree (~Britt@mail.correctcareky.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:17] Spiekey (~spiekey@p50916F3E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:17] hi [08:17] easy question ... in a deb based distro which init script do i need to edit to prevent dbus from loading? [08:18] i have got a file with one line. about 22000 charakters. It was tranfered as a binary file. [08:18] how can i chage it back to ascii? [08:19] Spiekey: does it just have the wrong line ending characters? man tr [08:19] britt_radiofree: man update-rc.d [08:19] britt_radiofree: dbus is a service loaded at boot time, so u can find it in /etc/init.d/ [08:19] bwlang: nope, its one long line. [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:20] dwn_school (dwn@boron.cs.Dal.Ca) joined #linuxhelp. [08:21] spike, right, so update-rc.d will remove the service from the rc.d script, but not remove the actual script in /init/init.d right? [08:21] Spiekey: well... look at it with a hex editor. if it was ascii once and was tranferred in binary mode then the only difference is wheter crlf has been changed to cr or lf [08:21] britt_radiofree: exactly [08:22] Britt_ (~Britt@mail.correctcareky.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:22] britt_radiofree: on my system dbus does not put anything into rc.d... but hotplug refers to it.... you might want to work on hotplug [08:22] spike, sorry, dropped connection ... you reply? [08:23] Britt_: exactly :) [08:24] bwlang, I'll check it out ... are init.d scripts ever called form other scripts? What I'm saying is, if dbus has it's own init.d script, this means it's probably being called from a rc.d right? [08:24] help [08:24] how many subdirectory can a directory contains? [08:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:25] Britt_: uh... yes - but only if there are links in /rcN.d [08:25] alessio: lots... depends on your filesystem [08:25] ext3 [08:26] 65000? [08:26] 20000? [08:26] Dralock (~dralock@63.149.136.9) joined #linuxhelp. [08:26] where can I see? [08:26] alessio: i don't know off hand... try google ext3 inode number max - or something like that. [08:27] actually ext2 might be more fruitful... since there's no difference re: # of files /dir [08:27] Action: spike throws a df -i in [08:27] Hey kids, I have a sendmail question: For some reason I have about 30 sendmail processes going at once with the format sendmail: ./iAFGsWu23204 root@localhost: RCPT To: . My mqueue is at 27 megs. Are all these processes sendmail trying to catch up with what is in the queue? Or does this indicate something else going on with the server. The entire server is being bogged down from this crap. Any help appreciated. [08:29] Er, any help _IS_ appreciated I should say. [08:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [08:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:30] jhammel (500@eecs-wlan-52.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [08:30] Dralock: why/what is root sending out in such quantity? [08:30] solus (~martin@as1-2-3.sgp.lk.bonet.se) left #linuxhelp. [08:31] seems like spam to these bogus addresses at this valid vhost on the server. [08:32] that root! what a joker [08:33] Dralock: your root account is spamming your vhosts? That doesn't sound good. [08:34] Yeah, I know. [08:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:35] are you running anti-spam or anti-virus software? [08:35] Hrm, ok, it seems to have stopped since I asked the question 7 minutes ago. [08:36] Er, thanks for the help. [08:37] dark_one (~tom@cpc1-warw5-6-0-cust84.brhm.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:37] dark_one (~tom@cpc1-warw5-6-0-cust84.brhm.cable.ntl.com) left #linuxhelp ("Kopete 0.9.1 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [08:38] Dralock: let me encourage you not to just ignore this because it went away... [08:38] I'm not [08:38] Dralock: let me second that. [08:38] I still have to figure out what happened. [08:38] because my mqueue is still 27009024 bytes [08:38] and the question is why there would be 30 sendmail processes running at once. [08:39] britt_radiofree (~Britt@mail.correctcareky.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] does anyone know of a good distribution for an old MIPS based SGI machine? [08:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:40] Dralock: if you find this is tough to debug try exim... works well for me. [08:40] bwlang: Yeah, I want to put the server on exim, but it the server is running a web appliance, and I can't disrupt the programs it uses. [08:40] :-/ [08:41] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. 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[08:48] Dralock: does the server provide access to web forms? [08:49] jhammel (500@eecs-wlan-52.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [08:51] Fiver: None backed by anything on the "root" server. I allow people with vhosts to have cgi/perl/python/php scripts, but those are contained by each virtual server that is set up through the appliance. [08:52] PyroBoy10 (~ryan@68-174-240-194.hvc.rr.com) left #linuxhelp. [08:52] alessio (~case@pbale.ifc.cnr.it) left #linuxhelp. [08:53] irvken (~sean@82-32-98-185.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:53] octan (~octan@213.161.164.111) left irc: "Leaving" [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] mrbeen_ (~benj@62.79.71.117.adsl.vj.tiscali.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] norky: i boot the cd and it says 36 gig hd and 3 gig in use, so i start to make the image but when around 10-20% it says not enough room [09:01] norky: Where do i need to save the image do i need another HD attached for this? [09:01] bobbie (~toot@host-80-76-195-221.bytel.net.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:02] were do i find the apache config file on debian? plz [09:02] mrbeen_: er, saving an image of a device on to that same device is a circular problem, so yes :) [09:02] mrbeen_: I normally use an NFS mounted drive to save iamges [09:03] partimage also has a network server that you run on a server with some disk space spare [09:03] it's the same as ghost, trying to save an image on to a drive of which you are macking an image is crazy :) [09:03] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:03] mrbeen_: I still think you should be using kickstart though [09:04] green_earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:04] ah [09:04] why is kickstart better [09:04] is there a way to save complete system table and everything so it also creates the swap drive etc.. ? [09:04] mrbeen_: what distro do you have? Fedora, right? [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:05] slackware [09:05] main drive + swap drive [09:06] oh, never mind, kickstart is a fedora/redhat thing [09:06] jhammel_ (~jhammel@soda1am.Equip.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:06] slackware might have its own automated install routine [09:06] yeah, tar -zxvf [09:06] heh [09:06] you're the guy that wants to install Linux onto a dozen machines, right? [09:06] you're the guy that wants to install Linux onto a dozen identical machines, right? [09:08] jhammel_ (500@eecs-wlan-52.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [09:09] yup [09:09] so it is to slow [09:09] to do manually [09:09] so if someone messes up the setup [09:09] i can easily preaload it [09:09] can partimage do this? [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:12] Nick change: _matt -> matt_ [09:13] yes, I think however there may be another way [09:14] you can make the normal slackware installer run in 'automated' mode, perhaps [09:14] try asking in #slackware [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/169 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/169 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:15] "I want to do several identical installs of slackware onto a dozen machines, with the option to easily reload any of them shoudl someone break them later. What's the easiest way to do this? 'Cloning' wiith partimage or Norton Ghost, or is there some other option?" [09:15] _sho_ (~eriktest@209.239.38.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:17] Yeah [09:17] I would ghost personally [09:17] bobbie (~toot@host-80-76-195-221.bytel.net.uk) left irc: [09:18] mrbeen_: FAI is the best thing around to do this kind of things [09:18] though a distributed network install could be good. [09:18] spike: FAI? [09:18] is there anything like gtk-qt-engine which lets you use GTK themes in KDE? [09:19] most of the big clusters are installed using FAI, same goes for large offices and so on [09:19] spike: FAI? :) [09:19] FAI (Fully Automatic Installation) [09:19] spike: is that a slackware feature? [09:19] Norky: debian ;) [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:20] oh, slack, I didn't read about it, just noticed the "wants to install Linux onto a dozen identical machines" thing [09:20] Norky freshmeat.net search slackcheck ; does just what you asked [09:20] spiek, I use kickstart and network booting to install RHEL onto cluster machines, it's highly automated [09:20] newbien: tell mrbeen_ :) [09:20] ty though [09:20] Norky: thanks [09:21] Norky: "it's similar but better than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat" [09:21] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:21] Norky: ;P [09:21] slackcheck [09:21] will try [09:21] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:21] Norky: does RHEL work any better than RH desktop (before such was replace by pos Fedora) [09:21] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:22] jhammel_: I've never tried RH desktop (thought I have d/led) [09:23] and honestly, I like Fedora, I run it on 4 or 5 desktop machines and a couple of severs (though the frequent revision changes get annoying for servers sometimes) and it's fine [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:25] frog (~magdalena@wbbi010.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:26] netbots: error - update check recipients 'YourNick' are invalid. [09:26] StevenR (~foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:27] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: "leaving" [09:28] Tcl error in script for 'timer738287': [09:28] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [09:29] I'm thinking of going debian on some servers here. Does FAI involve the use of a text file with answers to all the installation questions (partitioning, LVM, package selection, login authentication (NIS) ) and allow me to boot a system off a network and give the install "init" program arguments to use FAI so that installation is totally non-interactive? [09:29] hedjak (~hedjak@160.129.59.219) joined #linuxhelp. [09:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [09:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:30] Norky: yes [09:31] debian is gooood :) [09:31] groovy, might be work a whirl on a cluster [09:31] StevenR (~foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:31] spike: I've no doubt about that, but then Fedora is goood too ;) [09:31] blah :P [09:31] Indal (~hidihi@noc.mistral.net) left irc: [09:32] I have debian on one desktop box here, with the intention that I learn it, but really I've done very little with it so far ;) [09:32] dpkg/apt tools annoy me, but only because I'm not used to them yet :) [09:32] just kidding, never tried fedora myself, I just had an experience with an old red-hat a while ago and that's all [09:32] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.167.stowetel.com) left irc: "bye" [09:33] Sengaia (~asym@217.145.1.186) joined #linuxhelp. [09:34] bye folks, off home [09:34] Norky (~dan@154.32.36.31) left irc: "shell script is only free to those whose variable has no value" [09:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:36] Ok, follow up for everyone that has helped me in the past hour: I got a friend of mine over to check out what was going on. He said that one of my vhosts was getting joe-jobbed and that all the root-sent messages were actually a double-bounced mail. My mqueue is still 27 megs, but I am able to function now at least, and he says that I have to wait till the queue has run itself down. [09:37] Hey anyone know if xine can use ffmpeg? [09:37] Thanks for all the help people, I was hoping someone wasn't sending with my box. It appears we were just victims for a bit. [09:37] hedjak: xine uses ffmpeg internally [09:37] wtf is joe-jobbed? [09:37] I have no idea. [09:38] lol [09:38] Triskelios: thanks [09:38] He had to go before I asked him, I'm looking it up now. [09:38] linuxfreck (~freck@fry.fmi.uni-passau.de) joined #linuxhelp. [09:39] ah, here we go: [09:39] "A spam run forged to appear as though it came from an innocent party, who is then generally flooded by the bounces; or, the act of performing such a run." [09:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:40] jhammel_ (500@eecs-wlan-52.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:40] gliss (~kermit@hollis.rh.rit.edu) left irc: Client Quit [09:40] dict joe-jobbed [09:40] no definition found [09:41] heh [09:41] http://searchcio.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid19_gci917469,00.html [09:41] probably a relatively recently coined term [09:41] heh, 1996 [09:41] I guess I'm not up on my buzz-words [09:42] god, trying to combine these PDFs and both imagemagick and ghostscript are butchering the PDFs [09:42] can't figure out wtf is wrong w/ this [09:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:46] louish (~louis@hssxpa142-165-140-167.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [09:46] halffast (~halffast@helsinki.cc.gatech.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [09:47] hey I have 2 processes running on a school linux machine, but I need to leave.. is there any way I can close my ssh connection, but keep them running? [09:47] backgrounding won't do the trick, right? [09:47] screen [09:47] halffast - man screen [09:48] CarlK: thanks! [09:48] halffast well... [09:48] you can't do screen after the fact :( [09:49] halffast: nohup will also do the same thing, but again can't use it after the fact. [09:49] CarlK: oh, so you'd have to have a terminal connected elsewhere [09:49] unplug the monitor and put an "out of order" note on it [09:49] halffast: screen may be a little more elegate. nohup is quick/dirty [09:49] lol [09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:50] halffast - you start by running screen, then you start your processes, then you can "disconnect" and close the ssh connection [09:50] hmm.. I can ssh into my machine at home [09:50] oh, I see.. cool [09:50] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) joined #linuxhelp. [09:50] so you start a fake terminal connection? [09:51] I mean, why would they allow you to do that? [09:51] I wouldn't call it fake... [09:51] they=evil admins [09:52] not sure what admins good or evil have to do with it either [09:52] halffast: well, unless "they" are complete facists, there's nothing wrong with running jobs even if your not logged on (e.g. cron) [09:52] if I could connect to the same machine from another machine, maybe I could transfer the jobs between them somehow [09:52] Tryfan (~tryfan@i216-58-84-210.avalonworks.net) left irc: [09:52] not that I know of [09:52] Dralock (~dralock@63.149.136.9) left #linuxhelp. [09:52] woop.. 1 of th ejobs finished. maybe this will solve itself [09:53] if you are a super hackor, you might be able to hijack your connection ;) [09:53] Gartt_ (~brian@ip68-9-195-135.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:53] Gartt (~brian@ip68-9-195-135.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:53] thanks guys.. I'll remember screen for next time [09:53] but that is a big if and might [09:53] now I'll just be a jerk and lock the machine, maybe [09:53] screen is really nice [09:54] I hate when people do that though.. and always enjoy rebooting them [09:54] its too bad that you can't make it automatic [09:54] louish (~louis@hssxpa142-165-140-167.sasknet.sk.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [09:54] I imagine all the important unsaved things they had running.. [09:54] if I have a primary partition of 8gb, sda1 (fat32), and the rest contains my gnu/linux partitions, I should be able to install Windows 2000 or XP on the 1st partition, and later restore bootability into Debian with GRUB (when booting from a CD), right? [09:54] peppo yup [09:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/20 e/- I/-] [09:55] XP runs on Fat32? [09:55] hmm.. guess so [09:55] er, or ntfs, doesn't matter [09:55] CarlK, thanks [09:55] I think it runs on both ntfs and fat32 [09:56] both [09:57] so fat32 is certainly preferrable as that's the only fs the Linux kernel reliably writes to, right? [09:57] desertfish (~desertfis@12.7.82.26) joined #linuxhelp. [09:57] hi. Anyone know how to grep the list of apt-get packages? is there a list function for apt-get? [09:58] peppo: unfortunatly yes. You lose the acls in XP tho. [09:58] halffast (~halffast@helsinki.cc.gatech.edu) left irc: "Client Exiting" [09:58] acls? [09:58] that ntfs provides [09:58] access control lists. file secutiry [09:58] oh, no matter. only going to use it to play hl2 [09:59] Norky (~dan@byzantium.force9.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:00] just keep in mind that the security isn't as "good" without the filesystem security. Think the equiv of all your files being chmod 777 [10:00] In XP only I mean [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:01] MegaByte (1000@200217021122.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [10:02] linuxfreck (~freck@fry.fmi.uni-passau.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:03] louis_ (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:03] abcdef (icechat5@wbar23.lax1-4.27.7.243.lax1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:04] Anyone here know about any packet analysers for linux [10:04] What's a packet analyser ought to do? [10:04] analyse the contents of a packet :) [10:04] squidly (~squidly@pcp05310935pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:05] Hm so similar to iptables? [10:05] well this one does some reporting an provides valuable info [10:05] I don't know of any, but I'm sure there are :) [10:05] I have some guy trying to tunnel through my network. I want to know what is the nature of those packets [10:06] haha tx dan [10:06] heyrhett (~swiftrhet@MITERCAM.MIT.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [10:06] Oh, so you need a sniffer? [10:06] tcpdump? [10:06] anyone know a good email solution? [10:06] yep, there's tcpdump and some frontends... [10:06] heyrhett: client server ? [10:06] ethereal for a good gui sniffer [10:06] server [10:06] I have the sniffer. I need some kind of security tool that will analyse them [10:06] sara_poo (~Sara@ip24-250-14-227.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:07] sara_poo (~Sara@ip24-250-14-227.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:07] and maybe client [10:07] heyrhett: Well, there's sendmail and postfix, for example... [10:07] heyrhett: sendmail is the oldest one still in use and most of the server run it, but you also have qmail [10:07] I have ethereal. I have the packets. I'm looking for some rule based system that will tell me what thi user is actually trying to do [10:07] abcdef: check out ethereal. But you may need a good book on tcp/ip as well. ;) [10:07] so, what i usually do is put a bunch of domains on a server, and make user accounts and use pine [10:07] heyrhett: qmail is alot easier to work with then sendmail [10:07] abcdef: ohhhh, I see. Okay, again, no clue ;) [10:07] i usually use sendmail [10:07] hedjak. I understand tcp-ip [10:07] heyrhett: why ask then ? [10:08] i'm thinking of maybe qmail and I suspose I should get away from user accounts [10:08] for security [10:08] heyrhett: that's a good idea [10:08] or postfix and squirrel webmail [10:08] i dunno [10:09] i like pine, is it really insecure to have users? [10:09] hedjak: Do you know of any add ons for etherreal, that will do a more detailed analysis of the packet contents. Like for example, if this guy is actually tunneling his http requests over this upd connection to a proxy outside [10:09] abcdef, tcpflow and tcpdump are what you want [10:09] nothing is better [10:09] heyrhett: it's not as save as having no users, but to call it insecure ... [10:09] thebag (~thebag@dsl-62-10.aei.ca) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:09] heyrhett, I think I need something more advanced [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:10] peppo (~slumpmass@h81172181161.kund.kommunicera.umea.se) left irc: "quit" [10:10] they give you everything [10:10] abcdef: try with advanced networking howto :) [10:10] you mean, like you want some ai abc? [10:10] once u understand it, u'll be alb eto read tcpdump output [10:10] eagle_ (~eagle@dma166.resnet.ust.hk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:10] don't screw with etherreal [10:11] heyrhett: no, he wants something that does the sysadmin job :) [10:11] where is the insecurity in having users? [10:11] tcpflow stores the data in a way that is convenient for protocol analysis . Now I need the protocol analysis tool [10:11] if i'm all of the users [10:11] AI is what I need. exactly. Thanks [10:12] Is there a network security channel around here somewhere :) [10:12] abcdef: #security [10:13] potato (~potato@200.127.117.229) joined #linuxhelp. [10:13] does anybody know if there's any way to compress the data that's being transferred between a NFS or Samba server and a client ? [10:14] potato (~potato@200.127.117.229) left irc: Client Quit [10:14] Celestar (~Celestar@pD9E4EE3B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:14] hey Celestar [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:15] hi spi [10:15] louish (~louis@hssxpa142-165-140-167.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:15] hi spike [10:15] hows life? [10:15] louis_ (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:15] louish (~louis@rx0ar-glmobile.ed.bigpipeinc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:15] Kiluminati (~edgy4@u212-239-163-12.adsl.pi.be) joined #linuxhelp. [10:19] Celestar: busy :) [10:19] Celestar: yours? [10:19] same [10:19] Master thesis in final phase [10:19] ehehe, thought so [10:19] oh, good [10:19] what's it about? [10:19] fortran? :P [10:19] yeah [10:19] numerical fluid mechanics [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:20] sounds fun but for the fortran thingie :) [10:20] hehe [10:24] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) left irc: "Just died" [10:24] chaosTheory (~chaos@user-uive85m.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:35] does the arts sound daemon have the same issues as esd? [10:36] depends on which issues [10:36] all of them have issues, just use alsa and forget sound daemons [10:37] i guess the real solution is to have a decent sound card that can mux, right? [10:37] irvken (~sean@82-32-98-185.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:37] desertfish: all of them have issues, just use alsa and forget about sound daemons [10:37] eeer [10:38] hedjak: all of them have issues, just use alsa and forget about sound daemons [10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:40] anyway, I'm off, need a break. later [10:40] Anyone versed in rpm building? [10:40] (aka into s&m lol) [10:42] spike (~spike@spike.user) left irc: "connection reset by " [10:42] But seriously, would anyone know why rpmbuild seems to refuse to classify links to library as a "provide" on certain libraries? [10:42] s/libraries/packages [10:42] lol fluid mechanics [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:45] grem_work (~coltf@akoko.physics.montana.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [10:48] _sho_ (~eriktest@209.239.38.110) joined #linuxhelp. [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:54] niku (~nick@65.116.140.51) joined #linuxhelp. [10:54] For anybody that is a slackware user ==> ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt [10:54] anyone know how to get around an apt-get upgrade choking on GPG signature errors? [10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/20 e/- I/-] [10:55] thanks for the heads up SiegeX [10:55] desertfish, you *DONT* want to do that [10:55] desertfish: I wouldn't [10:55] Action: fred87 echo's SiegeX's "Read This!" [10:55] send the maintainer an email and check [10:55] Here is a mirror: http://uml.axpr.net/ [10:56] yikes! OK. What would cause that? [10:57] someone replacing the package with a trojan. [10:57] eagle_ (~eagle@dma166.resnet.ust.hk) left irc: Client Quit [10:58] Should I specify a different mirror? [10:58] try it [11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:00] Writing user file... [11:00] Writing channel file... [11:00] my father is a doctor... i'll have him look at it. [11:00] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.92.88) joined #linuxhelp. [11:00] how do I install docbook-dsssl ? [11:00] MegaByte (1000@200217021122.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:00] thanks for the heads up again SiegeX [11:00] np [11:00] how do you change your mirror list for apt-get? [11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [11:01] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) joined #linuxhelp. [11:01] ah, with apt-get mirror-select [11:03] Tcl error in script for 'timer740708': [11:03] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [11:03] ok. now how do I clean out my package cache so I download new packages over the possibly corrupt ones? [11:03] cjo (cjo@metawire.org) joined #linuxhelp. [11:03] Nick change: cjo -> meta-ridley [11:04] ah, apt-get clean [11:04] StevenR (~foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [11:04] idlmeta-rey (~craig@ip142177020190.mpoweredpc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:10] heviarti (heviarti@blackops.bigskytel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:10] Final try: Any bandwidth arbitrator users/admins here [11:11] AnAnt_ (~anant@62.114.92.88) left irc: "leaving" [11:11] oops. sry, I meant How can I disable VPN tunneling through my network [11:13] figure out what protocol it uses then block that using iptables [11:13] Do you meant like PPTP ? [11:14] ya [11:14] is that what it uses [11:14] ? [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:15] bthornton (~bthornton@wbar18.dal1-4.26.164.35.dal1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:15] Can anyone recommend a good, gnome-friendly DVD player out there? [11:15] well ethereal wont give me any ifo. I try decode as VLAN and it seems to be able to see some meaningful header info. cant find the decode as PPTH in there. Is there a definite way of figuring outr just by observing the traffic [11:16] which prefereably uses GTK+ [11:16] Basically the packets are seen as UPD packets [11:17] im really not very familar with VPN's but I know that the GRE protocol is one that is widely used. so try something like this. [11:18] iptables -A FORWARD -p 47 -j DROP [11:18] protocol 47 is GRE [11:18] I see [11:19] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:19] Tx. Lets see if it works [11:19] adavan (~unknown@clt74-70-009.carolina.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/172 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/172 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:20] SuperMMan (~SuperMMan@clgrtnt5-port-123.dial.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:21] abcdef: if not, try -p 50, thats IPSec which is another common protocol for VPN's [11:21] might wanna use both actually, cant hurt [11:21] testing1235 (~president@wbs-222-60.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [11:21] Nick change: Triskelios -> Trisk[class] [11:22] siegeX Wouldnt that prevent users who use IPSEC without tunneling [11:23] And would it still work, if this guy is tunneling his packets to the VPN router over UDP packets [11:23] bthornton (~bthornton@wbar18.dal1-4.26.164.35.dal1.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:23] well you can tunnel using ssh, and even ppp over ssh. i think i read about some guy using udp [11:24] Tcl error in script for 'timer743617': [11:24] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/173 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/173 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:25] if thats the case you'd have to look at the packet headers and see if you can filter on anything that would mark it a possible VPN packet [11:25] oddbudman (~odd@c210-49-61-240.rochd1.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: No route to host [11:25] I seem to haev a guy who is using UDP, probably to escape detection or the network policies. [11:25] hmmm i execute a boot script that needs two pppd's to be up and connected to isps to get their ip addys. problem is the boot script executes early on in the boot sequence before the pppd's have actually connected to my isps. is their a way to delay execution of this boot script until both pppds are up and connected? [11:25] siegeX: Well I tried ethereal. and tried to decode as VLAN. It seems to decode the data as a VLAN packet [11:26] siegeX: the data inside the udp packet as a VLAN packet [11:27] hmm. so as far as you know, without trying to brute force decode the data, there is nothing in the headers that say this isnt your normal UDP packet? [11:27] exactly. So I came here looking for a tool that would help me decode the sniffed stream [11:27] Ethereal just isnt smart enough [11:28] he could possible be using this http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/vpn-udp/ [11:28] Finally someone understands me :) [11:29] SiegeX: I am quite sure he is doing UDP, as he is using a cisco 3030 vpn router at the far end, and port 10000. Google easily reveals that some routers allow that. In fact 10000 is a commonly used port. So circumstantial evidence does convict him. Point is now I dont know how to stop him except blocking him completely [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/172 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/172 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:31] http://mail.nessus.org/pipermail/nessus/2003-May/msg00018.html [11:33] abcdef: well how about a pretty specific ban to the cisco 3030 ip, DPT 10000 and proto UDP. send him off an email telling him that you know what he is doing and that you have hard evidence of the fact (even if you do not) and if he would like to set up a VPN you must go through you (or whomever has the auth) first. And let him confess it [11:33] sorta like detective misdirection [11:33] Dralock (~dralock@63.149.136.9) joined #linuxhelp. [11:33] HAHA. Sounds like fun [11:33] then let him know he is being monitored. and see if you see the same packets but perhaps to a diff port [11:33] Hey everybody, another quick question. What do you do when you can't "rm" a directory? [11:33] Smileee (~mark@220.245.217.223) left irc: Connection timed out [11:34] is this a university account by any chance? [11:34] Dralock: whats the error message? [11:34] FTTP (~FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:34] Well its similar. Its a univ residential complex [11:34] linux amazes me....... i was looking at screenshots of all linux distros....... its amazing how linux has progressed [11:34] hedjak: well, there isn't one, it just closes my bash session. [11:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/173 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/173 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:35] So the business model is very different [11:35] hedjak: when I use the command "rm -rf /path/to/directory/*" [11:35] im using ubuntu now, needs a new installer and stuff but very very nice and STABLE :) [11:35] I see, I know what your talking about because when I was at USC we had the same deal [11:35] Well I'm not too far away at UCLA [11:35] hedjak: it freezes the server up when I use "rm -rf /path/to/direcory" [11:35] Bri525 (~siBri525@169.232.148.181) joined #linuxhelp. [11:35] FTTP: and most people don't even know linux exists (yet) [11:35] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [11:35] Btw trojans have come a long way ;) [11:36] im sure somewhere there is a policy that persistant abuse of the network may be punished by eviction and/or suspension/expulsion [11:36] Dralock: yikes. Sounds similar to a readline bug I had a while back [11:36] MegaByte (1000@200222215091.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [11:36] Dralock: what version of readline you using (in case that's it) [11:36] abcdef: you know, the admin of the USC Linux Cluster hangs out in #mandrake [11:36] hedjak: Hrm, you know I don't know. Its RH 7.2.....I'll have to look it up [11:36] name is Garrick, great guy. he might know a thing or two that I dont [11:36] thoreauputic ur in linuxhelp too? :) [11:36] FTTP: yeah, there's no escape ;-) [11:36] thoreauputic: I love osnews.com's screenshots [11:37] errr osdir.com sorry [11:37] Dralock: hrm, I dont recall rh7.2 having that specific issue [11:37] alot of distros use similar codebases [11:37] Well the fact is that inherently there is nothing wrong with using a VPN over this network, but by doing that he seems to be overriding our bandwidth management policies. So I guess the only option is to deny everyone VPN access [11:37] FTTP: haven't looked at that... [11:37] its amazing how similar they are [11:37] abcdef: ya they really have, now only if they can relocate the entire campus on top of Pepperdine where it was originally supposed to be built [11:37] Kewl. I'll see if I can get him [11:37] =) [11:37] FTTP: of course - what would you expect? :) [11:37] update-rc.d test-script defaults [NN | NN-start NN-stop] <- what do i set [NN | NN-start NN-stop] too to delay the script execution as long as possible? [11:37] thoreauputic: All the code is opensourced so they all feed off of the same pool [11:37] eKo1 (~abc@63.245.57.70) joined #linuxhelp. [11:38] FTTP: they are all linux, after all [11:38] SiegeX: that would be a killer location [11:38] thats for debian [11:38] SiegeX: especially away from where they are at now [11:38] thoreauputic: no i mean like u can tell what is redhat based, what is debian based, etc.. [11:38] hi there.,... [11:38] what perms should /var/spool/mqueue have? [11:38] thoreauputic: A few use the anaconda installer blah blah [11:38] hedjak: yeah, this is something that has manifested only in the past day. I am trying to clear out my mqueue directory after getting joe-jobbed so my server can return to normal. The wierd thing is, even after I let it 'run' using the directory delete version, it will lock the system up, and when I reboot, I will have deleted nothing. [11:38] Dralock: in case it is readline (a shot in the dark but whatever), try setting your process memory usage limit with ulimit and then try the command again [11:38] ya. its real nice while you are on campus, but 1 block south, east or west and it gets ghetto [11:39] thoreauputic: One still uses Caldera lizard installer which is so outdated [11:39] lizard was the 1st gui installer i think tho [11:39] hedjak: ok, thanks [11:39] Dralock: hrm, that's nasty. if it's only jst started, then it's probably not the old readline issue. is there anything in the systems logs? [11:39] ^wolf^ (~wolf@pD9E30EF0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:39] Dralock: e.g. hardware timeouts, etc [11:39] the thing is they cant come through will a buldozer and rebuild alot of those houses because they have been marked by the city as landmarks or some stupid thing like that even though they are hidious [11:39] FTTP: yes, I follow - of course anyone is free to use anything open: for instance since suse/novell open-sourced YAST there are projects to port it to debian etc. [11:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:40] hedjak: Hrm, I don't know, let me check. Thanks for the idea. I am hoping my raid isn't degrading. [11:40] Dralock: software or hardware raid [11:40] SiegeX: hardware, raid level 5. [11:41] FTTP: actually I seem to remember the lizard installer lets you play patience while it installs... heh [11:41] i see, if it were software I was going to suggest using mdadm to monitor it [11:41] thoreauputic solitare [11:41] but yeah [11:41] thoreauputic they should standardize on 2 GUI installers [11:41] SiegeX: thanks for the idea. [11:41] like you have kde and gnome [11:41] 2 guis [11:41] then u can have your smaller installers sure [11:41] FTTP: "they" is "us" [11:42] thoreauputic want to come out with an installer project ? :) [11:42] abcdef: heh I just had a funny idea [11:42] FTTP: you use linux, you are part of the "us" [11:42] SiegeX: lemme hear it [11:42] thoreaputic: A project to standardize installation would be good actually [11:42] abcdef: tell him you'll sue him via the DMCA by circumventing your bandwidth policies ;) [11:42] Question: I have a mystery computer with two harddrives. However, I don't know whether they are ide or scsi? One drive is on sda and the other on sdb. Does that mean these drives are scsi? [11:43] FTTP: some people would disagree vehemently [11:43] eKo1: more than likely [11:43] hedjak: I don't seem to have a man entry for ulimit...What is a conservative perameter that I can set it to that will allow me to delete a 27MB directory? [11:43] SiegeX: lmao [11:43] thoreaputic and people can use whatever they want, thats why its opensource :) [11:43] SiegeX: sounds scary [11:43] Dralock: ulimit is actually built into bash [11:43] SiegeX: But ykno these ucla students are no dummies [11:43] Dralock: might want to check logs 1st if you haven't already [11:43] FTTP: yes, hence the variety. It has good and bad points [11:44] that is true especially if this guy has his own VPN concentrator and was wise enough to use UDP [11:44] thoreauputic i havent yet found an installer i liked, though anaconda looks the nicest [11:44] But on dmesg I have: ide0: BM-DMA at 0xffa0-0xffa7, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:DMA. I'm confused. [11:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:45] FTTP: I couldn't care less about installers, frankly - I run debian and I doubt I will ever have to use one again until this machine dies [11:46] FTTP: I can just update it / dist-upgrade it [11:46] SiegeX : You'v been quite a help. Thanks a lot. And hope you get better. SOON [11:46] eKo1: well, check the rest of what dmesg reports. Is there scsi adapter and scsi hdd information there? Are there multiple (ide/scsi) devices attached to the box? [11:47] abcdef: thanks, but im not sick ;) [11:47] Patrick ala Slackware is the sick one [11:47] thoreauputic yep true [11:47] daniel (daniel@daniel.user) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] MetaCosm (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) left irc: No route to host [11:48] hedjak: There's a lot of scsi stuff in dmesg. The line I showed previously is the only line having 'hda' in dmesg. [11:49] eKo1: well it's more than possible the machine has both [11:49] norg (norg@246.193.33.65.cfl.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/177 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/177 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:50] niku (~nick@65.116.140.51) left irc: "Client exiting" [11:51] hedjak: 'fdisk -l' shows only sda and sdb. Where did hda go? [11:53] GoGi (~gogi@pD95DB2F1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:53] is there a way to fill all the unused data in an ext2-filesystem with zeroes? [11:54] [pkh] (~kvirc@118.Red-213-97-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:54] eKo1: is it posible that your kernel doesn't have ide hard disk support? [11:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/176 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/176 b/20 e/- I/-] [11:55] daniel (daniel@daniel.user) joined #linuxhelp. [11:55] GoGi: why? [11:55] Spiekey (~spiekey@p50916F3E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [11:56] I want to compress it [11:56] nmatrix9 (~nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:56] SiegeX: Well I dont know about sick, but you definitely are SICK ;) [11:56] hmm.. [11:57] hah, now your talking like you went to USC, i thought you westwood boys didnt use such slang ;) [11:57] GoGi: so just tar it and gz it or bz2 it - I don't see the need [11:57] eKo1: cd/dvd drive(s) attached to the machines? [11:58] haha [11:58] spart (~spart@CPE0050bae68b79-CM0011aea10c2c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:58] hedjak: Hrm, it appears that nothing has timed out in dmesg or boot.log. This is only one directory that this is happening to though. Its really rather strange. [11:59] Dralock: is strange. what filesystem type is it? [11:59] thoreauputic: are you sure that it will preserve EVERYTHING? [11:59] ext2 [11:59] what about ext2 attributes? [11:59] Dralock: nasty way would be to unlink the dir and then let fsck clean up the mess. Dont recommend that though... [11:59] hedjak: Yeah, one CDROM. [12:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:00] Writing user file... [12:00] Writing channel file... [12:00] GoGi: ? sorry you've lost me. tar.gz or bz2 is pretty reliable afaik [12:00] I was going to use bz2 anyway [12:00] drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 27009024 Nov 16 13:29 mqueue [12:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [12:00] GoGi: this is the list: drwxr-xr-x 2 root mail 27009024 Nov 16 13:29 mqueue [12:00] I mean - aren't there things that tar doesn't save? [12:00] bleck [12:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [12:01] stupid putty copy-paste [12:01] nmatrix9 (~nmatrix9@user-10lfa3d.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:01] sry for the repeate [12:01] Like attributes set with chattr [12:01] they seem to be ext2-specific [12:01] testing1235 (~president@wbs-222-60.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Connection timed out [12:01] dmesg says: cdrom: open failed. That sucks. [12:02] GoGi: i dont recall if tar will handle those. I tend to think not. Might need to look at dump or similar. [12:02] Dralock: yikes, how many files are in that dir? [12:02] GoGi (~gogi@pD95DB2F1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [12:02] jhammel (500@eecs-wlan-36.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [12:03] hedjak: 27megs worth [12:03] er, sorry, gigs [12:03] Dralock: not size, number of files. [12:03] I don't know, I can't list it. [12:03] outlier (~mothas@209-198-172-235-host.prismnet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:03] :) [12:03] ah... [12:03] crap [12:04] I can't touch this thing with regular bash commands. [12:04] is that a separate fs? [12:04] No, its ext2 as well. [12:04] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:04] hrm, explains why it barfs... [12:04] the entire server is, in fact, I hate how this server is set up. [12:04] does anyone know if emerge for gentoo can install a tar.gz file? [12:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/176 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/176 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:05] ah, that sucks... [12:05] chase: why not just untar it yourself? [12:05] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:05] Dralock, cause someone once told me that can mess up portage and then its easyer to remove it if portage installed it [12:06] then install it via portage [12:06] er, install the program via portage [12:06] Dralock: hmm...is rebuilding the machine out of the question? [12:06] Nick change: kreg1 -> kreg [12:06] Oh man, that would be terrible, but no, I could rebuild the thing. [12:06] bakercp (~bakercp@x84-156-167.wireless.umn.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [12:07] Dralock: thing is, you *could* unlink the dir and then let fsck clean up. BUT if there are bazillions of files (as it appears) then that could take a LONG time. And it would be nasty/hazerdous. [12:08] I can deal with a long time [12:08] personally, if it were me I'd use it as an excuse to rebuild/upgrade. [12:09] rh7.2 is pretty old [12:09] Yes, yes it is. [12:09] But web appliance software is very specific about its requirements. [12:09] ah...ok, wasn't aware of that [12:09] Thanks for all the help though, this is pretty amazing [12:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:10] er...this isn't a raidzone box is it? [12:10] I'm going to look for file-trashing software. [12:10] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:10] Nope, dell 2550 running ensim webppliance 3.39.12 [12:10] joony (~nisse@1-1-3-33a.has.sth.bostream.se) joined #linuxhelp. [12:10] or it might be 3.35.12, I can't remember. [12:10] Action: hedjak breathes huge sigh of relief [12:10] They don't update it anymore. [12:11] that might be incentive in itself to upgrade to something else [12:11] yeah [12:11] (be glad it's not raidzone) [12:11] heh [12:14] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] What is raidzone? [12:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/179 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/179 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:15] Smileee (~mark@220.245.216.43) joined #linuxhelp. [12:15] testing1235 (~president@wbs-204-46.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [12:15] they used (?) to sell a net appliance that was *supposed* to be turnkey. It had a half-TB for pretty cheap using IDE, and was linux-based. But their controller was propietary, and hence you *had* to used their custom kernel. [12:15] slashdot_ (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [12:16] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:16] Nick change: slashdot_ -> slashdot [12:16] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:16] i tought I fscked-up my wireless card...turns out, the network was just buggy [12:16] and people blame linux for everything [12:17] But they had no concept of security. I had to fix a box that had been hacked: script kiddie probably shat himself when he realized he'd gotten into a box w/ a half TB of empty disk. And then he f'd his rootkit and locked himself out (and filled the disk with empty files hahaha) [12:18] deleting several million files, even on reiser, took a *long* time [12:19] yeah [12:19] Ok, I just got an error message [12:19] "argument list too long" [12:19] heh [12:19] hehhe [12:19] Dralock: I hate that one... [12:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:20] yeah [12:20] wonder if xargs will even be able to handle that? [12:20] Ok, so I'm just going to make a script to do it all by letter [12:20] er, alpha-numeric grouping I should say [12:20] is there a command that lists files open on a system? [12:20] Dralock: can you do an ls mqueue | wc -l ? [12:21] eKo1 (~abc@63.245.57.70) left #linuxhelp. [12:21] desertfish: lsof [12:21] desertfish: check out lsof (list open filedescriptors) [12:21] what does wc -l do? [12:21] Dralock: counts # of lines [12:21] Heh [12:21] awesome! thanks, jhammel [12:21] Dralock: wordcount. actually you need an ls -1 mqueue | wc -l [12:22] jhammel: heh, you type faster than me. tnx! :) [12:22] its going, we'll see if it works [12:22] hedjak: must be the coffee ;) [12:22] I haven't had "ls" kick me out of my session yet. [12:23] MMMmmmMMm coffee [12:23] Dralock: need the -1 tho to insure that ls treats each filename as a line (for wc -l to work right) [12:23] Ok [12:23] this will take a while though [12:23] 838118 [12:23] Could any kind soul point me to a primer on how to boot windows from GRUB? [12:24] sonderblade (~sonderbla@c-e05ae353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [12:24] outlier: you just set up a title directive, then specifiy the root device, and then do a chainload +1 . IIRC [12:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:25] the chainload bit is the key. Check the man/info pages, though. I'm a little rusty. [12:25] hedjak: Thanks [12:26] worst mpeg ever -> http://langmuir.nuc.berkeley.edu/~jhammel/rotating.mpg [12:26] hedjak: Heh, 838118 doesn't seem lthat bad [12:27] Dralock: no it doesn't. what is worrisome is the program failures. [12:27] jhammel: um...I dont think i want to click that link [12:28] hedjak: its not disgusting...just pointless opengl sctuff [12:28] jhammel: ...hopefully it isn't of opengl goatse or something. ;) [12:28] hedjak: so maybe THE WORST was an exaggeration [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:30] jhammel: ok, against my better judgement ;) I nabbed a copy. But it does nothing. [12:30] hedjak: should work with mplayer, at least. What are you using? [12:30] xine [12:30] lemme try newer version of xine though. [12:31] hedjak: works with my xine [12:32] yeah, newer version works fine. [12:32] hedjak: the question is -- was it worth the effort? ;) [12:33] well it depends on your intended purpose [12:34] hedjak: does boredom count as a purpose? [12:34] It probably wont win at siggraph. At least not without a techno soundtrack. [12:34] hedjak: oh its coming...i got Moby AND Ladytron working on it! [12:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:35] hedjak: and it'll star-wipe out at the end...what's cooler than that? [12:35] but if it was a personal proof-of-concept to either do opengl, or opengl captuing to mpeg or whatever, then I can't say it was a waste at all. Especially if you gained knoweldge in the process [12:35] sweet [12:36] hedjak: it was mainly a test of xvidcap, plus to have something to turn in for my graphics class in 2 hours [12:37] nice [12:37] yat, xine does matroska! [12:37] hedjak: well, pretty mediocre, but its nice of you to say so anyway [12:37] [pkh] (~kvirc@118.Red-213-97-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:38] IMTheNachoMan (~IMTheNach@customer-200-79-91-5.uninet-ide.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [12:38] bakercp (~bakercp@x84-156-167.wireless.umn.edu) left irc: Client Quit [12:39] dammnit! never try to mix stl vectors and lists [12:39] i messed up i need some serious help, i have hda1 and hda2, hda1 is my swap, hda2 is my / hda2 is ext3, have lots of data on it, i typed mkswap /dev/hda2 by accident, i havent shut down and i can still ls my / but it doesnt show anything, anyway i can get the data back? its important [12:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/183 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/183 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:40] <[pkh]> can someone suggest a good webmail package? [12:40] IMTheNachoMan: yikes! well over my head... [12:40] Hmm... [12:41] Gut reaction: I'd assume the mkswap overwrote the master inode info. I'd think you'd be able to get that back by checking one of the backups [12:41] abcdef (icechat5@wbar23.lax1-4.27.7.243.lax1.dsl-verizon.net) left irc: "(A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer" [12:41] how would i do that? [12:42] mlopes (~mlopes@213.13.205.6) joined #linuxhelp. [12:43] <[pkh]> IMTheNachoMan: there's definitely ways to get the data back, don't touch the machine till you get someone to help you. [12:43] <[pkh]> p.s. which distribution? [12:43] gentoo [12:43] hello! i'm looking for a nice IDE for programming C (gcc). any ideas? (besides vim + xterm...) [12:43] im not touching it [12:43] maybe.. kdevelop? eclipse + plugin? [12:43] mlopes: emacs + xterm [12:43] jedit is nice and simple, requires java be installed though [12:43] IMTheNachoMan: you *could* use dd to do the actual work, but you'd need to figure out where the alternate master inode is, and how big it is. [12:44] btw there are usually several copies of the master for this reason [12:44] i'm used to Java IDEs [12:44] But again, I'm not 100% certain of what mkswap actually does to the partition. [12:44] so, i miss some of its features while programming C :P [12:44] like visual debugging [12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/183 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/183 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:45] IMTheNachoMan: you say you can't list anything in the root, but ls works? or does it say "ls: command not found" [12:46] ls works but no files there [12:46] like it doesnt list anything [12:46] IMTheNachoMan: it mounts then? [12:47] well i had booted, then as root typed that command, should i put the live cd and boot from that then try to mount [12:47] [pkh] (~kvirc@118.Red-213-97-40.pooles.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:47] Pe920 (~Nicky@d198-166-22-94.abhsia.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:48] IMTheNachoMan: check the man page for e2fsck. There's a little info on specifying an alternate superblock [12:49] For filesystems with 1k blocksizes, a backup superblock can be found at block 8193; for filesystems with 2k blocksizes, at block 16384; and for 4k blocksizes, at block 32768. [12:49] something bout mke3fs -S [12:49] i dont know what to try w/o screweing it up [12:49] more [12:49] http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/mke2fs.8.html [12:49] I do not know if this will auto-fix the userblock though [12:49] IMTheNachoMan: also tune2fs might be handy...but its really above my head [12:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/183 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/183 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:50] ankur (~ankur@61.16.237.88) joined #linuxhelp. [12:50] well the forms have something [12:50] lemme try this [12:50] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154268&goto=nextnewest [12:50] read the last pst [12:50] same thing u said [12:52] i believe you'll need the -b and specify an alternate superblock [12:52] how do i figure out the alternate superblock [12:53] so then [12:53] try to do an e2fsck -n -b 8193 [12:54] e2fsck -b 8193 [12:54] Hikaru79 (~hikaru79@d57-4-59.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:54] the -n means it won't actually change anything. We just want to test. [12:54] ok [12:54] im having a problem with bind9. im trying to start it but it says its alreaady started. the stop command want work but its not giving me any error output. I also cant find a running proccess in ps -A can anyone help me [12:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/185 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/185 b/20 e/- I/-] [12:55] if 8193 doesnt work, then try 16384 or 32768 (see the pattern?) [12:55] so i could use mke2fs -n -b /dev/hda2 to find the backup [12:55] IMTheNachoMan: er, lemme chekc that [12:56] abcdef (icechat5@wbar23.lax1-4.27.7.243.lax1.dsl-verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:56] nono, e2fsck, not mke2fs [12:56] mke2fs will create a *new* filesystem [12:56] Any expert on load balancing multiple WAN connections out there [12:56] desertfish (~desertfis@12.7.82.26) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] ankur (~ankur@61.16.237.88) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] Additional backup superblocks can be determined by using the mke2fs program using the -n option to print out where the superblocks were created. The -b option to mke2fs, which specifies blocksize of the filesystem must be specified in order for the superblock locations that are printed out to be accurate. [12:57] If an alternative superblock is specified and the filesystem is not opened read-only, e2fsck will make sure that the primary superblock is updated appropriately upon completion of the filesystem check. [12:57] i dont understand that line [12:57] IMTheNachoMan: correction, mke2fs -S can be used to fix. BUT try it with -n as well for a dryrun 1st [12:58] ? [12:58] so i should run what first Additional backup superblocks can be determined by using the mke2fs program using the -n option to print out where the superblocks were created. The -b option to mke2fs, which specifies blocksize of the filesystem must be specified in order for the superblock locations that are printed out to be accurate. [12:58] If an alternative superblock is specified and the filesystem is not opened read-only, e2fsck will make sure that the primary superblock is updated appropriately upon completion of the filesystem check. [12:58] shit [12:58] sorry [12:58] adavan (~unknown@clt74-70-009.carolina.rr.com) left irc: "changing servers" [12:58] adavan (~unknown@clt74-70-009.carolina.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:58] should i run what first? e2fsck or mke2fs [12:58] to figure out the superblcok info [12:58] phillipc (~reformist@176-181.mam.umd.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [12:58] adavan (~unknown@clt74-70-009.carolina.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:59] eniac (~jonas@cable-213.214.37.211.coditel.net) left irc: ":wq!" [12:59] green_earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:59] im gonna hve to figure this out later i got class, man this sucks, [12:59] hmm... [12:59] il be back in a few [13:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/182 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/182 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:00] Writing user file... [13:00] Writing channel file... [13:00] IMTheNachoMan: what time will you be back? [13:00] Does anyone use multiple ISPs and load balance them to a single LAN [13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [13:01] mlopes (~mlopes@213.13.205.6) left irc: "Leaving" [13:02] quantillis (~pathway@donobi-18-11.ra.donobi.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:02] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "me is weg :x" [13:03] Anybody know of a program which requires unknown computers (tracked by MAC address) to get permission to access the web? This is simular to some of the Wireless Access Control programs... [13:03] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] Mebbe you can use some kind of radius authentication [13:04] look up RADIUS [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/180 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/180 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:05] Maybe. I have not yet looking into Radius. [13:05] green_earz (~peter@213-232-83-67.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [13:05] Is this a LAN or a WLAN [13:05] I will. But I'm very interested in this kind of control, and logging. [13:05] Well, it's going to end up being both. [13:06] I have a WLAN and RADIUS works fine for me [13:06] I was just wondering if there was already a project to provide this kind of thing. I'll look up Radius. [13:06] thoreauputic (~petros@wolax8-025.dialup.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:07] Did you mean permission as in some kind of login mechanism? [13:07] kaetzchen (~zuff@pD95599C0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:08] Here's the idea: I'm running a network at a school. We have a polocy against outside computers on our network, but it's going to happen much more often as computers (laptops) get cheaper. So, we want allow these rouge machines to access the internet, but we also want to log their MAC address... and make sure they've clicked on some kind of "Yes, I understand that the School is not resposible for any harm done to my PC, and I am resposable [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/181 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/181 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:10] quantillis: should be simple with some iptables, httpd, and a bunch of scripts [13:11] Well these users are not limited to just web access. They might use any kind of service on the internet [13:11] kasc: Yes, and no. The school is looking for a canned and maintained solution, if at all possible. [13:11] vpn+radius [13:11] VPN is the solution [13:11] VPN? [13:11] Virtual Private network [13:11] I know what it is. [13:11] Sm:)e. [13:11] haha [13:12] I guess I din understand the question [13:12] Alright, I'll do more research, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. [13:12] Off to go RTFM. [13:12] quantillis (~pathway@donobi-18-11.ra.donobi.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:12] gluck [13:12] jhammel_ (500@eecs-wlan-86.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [13:13] anyone messed around with selinux? [13:13] Can somebody help me as well ;). Looking for multihoming solutions for linux [13:13] abcdef: multiple destinations are tricky. [13:13] abcdef: have you looked at iproute2? [13:13] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [13:14] Tcl error in script for 'timer744261': [13:14] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [13:14] jhammel (500@eecs-wlan-36.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] I know. It seems that current linux solutions look at static routing and depend on BGP [13:14] Causing frequently used sites to be routed through the same nic. Not ideal [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/181 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/181 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:15] iproute2 hmm [13:15] misc- (~foreach@202.168.52.201) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:15] yeah, can't say I know a whole lot about the routing capabilities of linux (beyond nat, edge, etc stuff) [13:16] abcdef: did you already work through lartc.org? [13:16] Yupp [13:16] It seems that current linux solutions look at static routing and depend on BGP [13:16] Causing frequently used sites to be routed through the same nic. Not idea [13:16] l [13:17] UQlev (~yuriy@ykulyev.logos.cy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:18] wow, maybe you need to talk to the ppl in #l33tlinuxnetworkinghelp. [13:18] j/k [13:18] str (~str@216.230.131.226) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [13:18] if i want to block an ip from connecting to my box do i just stick " 127.0.0.1 IPADDR" in /etc/hosts or "ALL: IPADDR1, IPADDR2, ..." in hosts.deny? which is the better method? [13:18] ziggy (~ziggy@0x50c5335a.bynxx8.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) left irc: "leaving" [13:18] what other routing options are there for linux? [13:19] zebra routes [13:19] spart: use iptables. [13:19] spart: definately the latter [13:19] spart: iptables [13:19] abcdef: even with chapter 4.2.2.? [13:19] chaosTheory (~chaos@user-uive85m.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] hedjak Fiver not overkill to add a new rule to iptables to block each ip? [13:19] jhammel_ thx [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/178 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/178 b/20 e/- I/-] [13:20] Note that balancing will not be perfect, as it is route based, and routes are cached. This means that routes to often-used sites will always be over the same provider [13:20] Windoze has much better solutions available. sigh [13:20] spart: how many ips are we talking about? [13:20] <