[00:00] Writing user file... [00:00] Writing channel file... [00:00] sensei: just rescuing it from the console.. i have some GPM wierdness [00:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [00:01] bonji6 (~lucius@217.14.85.8) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:01] quake2: pcm.c:1081: snd_pcm_writei: Assertion pcm->access == SND_PCM_ACCESS_RW_I [00:01] NTERLEAVED failed. aborted [00:01] silly broken copy and paste carriage return BS.. [00:02] agney (~bofh@agney.user) left irc: "blergh" [00:02] Okay, PCM is sound related iirc.. Do you have user rw access on /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer ? [00:02] Or are you using ALSA without OSS emulation? [00:03] with oss emulation [00:03] Ok, can the user that executed Quake2 write to the mixer and dsp devices ? [00:03] oh yeah. [00:03] snd-pcm-oss 37736 0 [00:03] cyzie (~cyzie3@218.111.213.62) joined #linuxhelp. [00:04] greetings [00:04] ould be the sersion.. was built on fedora core 3 [00:04] Just to make sure it's not a permission issue, try starting Quake2 as root [00:04] im having problem on widnows xp and suse 9.1 pro [00:04] i have 4 hard disks [00:04] crap.. [00:04] 2 pata [00:04] and 2 sata [00:05] Tcl error in script for 'timer2084967': [00:05] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [00:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:05] the 1st sata installed with windows xp [00:05] tarball was the demo [00:05] and 2nd sata , im plan to install suse 9.1 pro [00:05] ERGH! [00:05] now my maps won't work right [00:05] how to i make sure suse only install on the sata drive? [00:06] cyzie: You'll be asked to chose which device to install it on to during the installation process [00:06] sensei, no [00:06] Yes [00:06] sparr (bob@sparr.active.supporter.pdpc) joined #linuxhelp. [00:06] where is it? [00:07] Sparr_ (bob@sparr.active.supporter.pdpc) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:07] man...i scare loose my data on windows drives [00:07] No idea, I've never installed Suse, but I'm still confident they won't install on a random disk :) [00:07] If you're scared, create a partition with partition magic or something similar and install to it [00:08] since i have 4 hard disk, will it take portion of other hdd for swap or / or etc? [00:08] It won't take anything unless you tell it to [00:08] mmmmmmmmmm [00:08] okay [00:09] what if i unplug all 3 others hdd [00:09] ? [00:09] google just gives me crap.. I want the official working quake2 binaries [00:09] just gives me crap.. I want the official working quake2 binaries: http://www.911cheats.com/games/sect/div/cont/list_cheat/spray/y/id/0000008114/gid/0000002877/_cheats/_walkthroughs/_codes/_pc/_n64/_psx/_gameboy/_pl%5C [00:09] and then after linux finished install [00:09] i connect them back [00:09] tovella (~ktraglin@pool-141-149-34-56.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:09] but how do i make dual boot ? [00:09] capgadget (~elifino@adsl-69-149-55-79.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:09] cyzie: Have you attempted to install Suse yet? [00:09] Yamabushi (~Yamabushi@ip68-102-249-200.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:09] nope [00:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:10] Because I've _never_ seen a distribution with an installer that doesn't allow you to set target partition [00:10] I'm confident, certain, convinced, sure that no data will be overwritten nuless you personally screw up [00:10] mmm... [00:11] anyone know of an easy way to use the nt loader for dual booting? [00:11] _blue (~superman@adsl-68-94-58-225.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left #linuxhelp. [00:11] It will most likely ask you where you want to install if you have any available partitions, if not, it'll ask you to partition your disk and install to the avilable partition, after asking you probably twice [00:12] cyzie: It'll also ask you if you want to install lilo or grub, which will take care of the dual boot issue automatically [00:12] i like to use the ntloader [00:12] how would i go about creating the .bin [00:12] No iea [00:13] idea* [00:13] And I gotta jet, laters and good luck [00:13] kreg (~kreg@209.161.26.78) joined #linuxhelp. [00:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:17] someuser (~knoppix@203-190-199-077.dial.usertools.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:18] logging second mouse instead of controlling cursor under X [00:19] is fstab what does noauto mean? [00:19] does that mean to not automatically crush your cds? [00:19] t35t0r (~t35t0r@pcp01715954pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:24] WaSaBi_X (~wasabi@66.36.129.255) joined #linuxhelp. [00:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:25] Does linux get girls? [00:28] Tcl error in script for 'timer2087050': [00:28] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [00:28] No. [00:29] =) [00:29] actually here is a serious question [00:29] whats mtab? [00:29] i figured fstab is for file system [00:29] whats mtab? [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:30] mount updates /etc/mtab with info about what's mounted [00:30] cyzie (~cyzie3@218.111.213.62) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [00:31] thx [00:31] but my cdroms are not moutned in mtab [00:31] and i know they are [00:34] anyway to check my heat in linux? [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:35] man 5 mtab [00:35] skunk (~skunk@dialup-110.28.221.203.acc11-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [00:35] guys, I'm using debian 2.2, when I issue the shutdown command I get an error like "/dev/null RK_Init ... RH9 not found .. " does anyone know what this means ? [00:37] sleeper_: dunno why they're not listed... certain things could cause it.. like if your hd was mounted read only for some reason, for example [00:37] sleeper_: for heat and stuff, check out lm_sensors and gkrellm after you get lm_sensors setup [00:37] skunk: something installed a shutdown script that's redhat specific? maybe try: grep RH9 /etc/init.d/* [00:39] Aldaron ([TjcE5AUYF@ip212-226-171-97.adsl.kpnqwest.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:39] amrit|0hr: is this common ? I have never seent his before ? [00:39] I need to remove snd-mixer-oss but the system tells me it's busy.. is there a way i can forcibly remove it? [00:39] Norky (~dan@byzantium.force9.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [00:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:40] skunk: if you try and install packages designed for other distros, it probably is. but you shouldn't be doing such things... try that grep line and maybe you'll find out what script is doing that [00:41] heviarti: remove any other modules that are using it first? and then turn off all sound daemons/mixer applets/etc... and check lsof or fuser to see who's using the sound device? [00:41] amrit|0hr: if not, what else can I do.. is there another way to down the server.. or is there a patch or restoration I can do ? [00:42] skunk: oh, it actually stalls the shutdown procedure? [00:42] Aldaron ([jv5P0SAeh@ip212-226-171-97.adsl.kpnqwest.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [00:42] apfel (~kiwi@gb153.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de) joined #linuxhelp. [00:43] amrit|0hr: well it displays the error message and goes back to the shell prompt.. the server will not shutdown [00:43] amrit|0hr, thanks [00:43] I've tried the /sbin/halt and get the same [00:43] skunk: errr... it's sounding like RK_Init is a sign of a rootkit.... [00:44] skunk: go to chkrootkit.org, download the rootkit checker, and disconnect that machine from the network and/or inet immediately [00:44] skunk: check the machine with chkrootkit, and if something's found... you're in for a day or two of fun [00:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:45] well the machine does not hold a configuration... for example the permisions are reset after reboots [00:45] and crazy stuff like this are happening [00:45] skunk: it's sounding more and more like you've been rooted. [00:46] skunk: do what i said above. do you know what to do if you find out that you have been rooted? [00:46] not really [00:46] heck with this. I'm building from source [00:46] I've fairly new to this game [00:46] heviarti: heh [00:46] skunk: ok.. [00:46] skunk: what distro are you using? [00:47] sleeper_ (~sleeper@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2t-157.vnnyca.adelphia.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:47] debian 2.2 [00:47] skunk: if it is rooted, keep it off the network and everything. backup your home dir files if you want, and your config files from /etc. format and reinstall the distro from scratch. you _have_ to do this, there are too many things that might be modified, and you'd never know. but after reinstalling, don't just copy over all your configs and stuff. [00:48] skunk: anything you modified in /etc should be merged into the new install's /etc, by hand, so that you don't get anything reinserted into your config files, if the rootkit modified stuff in /etc [00:48] so I retype all the configurations ? [00:49] skunk: ideally you should also take the same approach for stuff in your home dir, but... i suppose you kinda have to poke around and see if you think that stuff is safe to use. i'm not sure if there would be much interest in a cracker gaining control of that stuff anyway. [00:49] skunk: no, not retype them all.. when you reinstall, of course the distro will have default config files in /etc [00:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:50] skunk: but the changes you make to config files, to return the server to it's former/working state... those should be done by hand. don't just copy over the old /etc files that you backed up and overwrite the new ones. [00:51] ok, thank you... now with the chkrootkit, do I need to download a version that suits debian version number ? [00:51] or are they all the same [00:52] are just read it on the web, just the one fits most [00:52] i think they're all the same. [00:52] should just be bash scripts and stuff i think [00:53] so there is not installation.. I logon with root, and run the script as normal ./script.sh [00:54] i'm not sure. lemme just grab the latest and check. [00:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:55] oh [00:56] ok, yeh.. has to be run as root, but there's two steps... "make sense" (heh) and then "./chkrootkit" [00:57] someuser (~knoppix@203-190-199-077.dial.usertools.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:57] skunk: oh, and if you do find out and reinstall... be sure to keep all the packages up to date! old, insecure packages allow for easy rooting [00:57] irvken (~sean@82-32-102-164.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:58] so these are like viruses then that attach the machine ? [00:58] skunk: pretty much. [00:59] is there a way to prevent them from infecting your machine.. for example do they attach certain ports ? [01:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:00] Writing user file... [01:00] Writing channel file... [01:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [01:03] skunk: the only ways are 1) keep your apps up to date.. if you find out there's a security vulnerability in one (from bugtraq or anything), upgrade and/or remedy it asap, 2) have a decent firewall in place to keep services that should be local local, as an added safeguard, and to keep spoofed packets out (shorewall is supposedly good for this), and 3) don't make your configs so loose that you're using weak passwords, or are using ver [01:03] y weak authentication (like say, no passwords) [01:03] (if i missed anything, someone chime in) [01:03] chandoo (~chandra@mars.mds.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [01:04] hi :) [01:04] i had one logic problem with shell script [01:04] can any one help [01:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:05] chandoo: maybe if you ask quickly.. about to go to sleep :) [01:05] what i am triying to do is i want to run a sequence of commands on remote host and spool the output into the current host [01:06] amrit|0hr: thank you so much for your help, I am positive this is what it is.. there have been some strange things happening.. I have never updated linux because I'm a newbie.. As far as I can tell obly binaries are updates often.. pacakge management is usually a lot slower [01:06] i have production and standby database, i am triying to get production log number to standby host [01:06] skunk: ah.. but what do you mean only binaries are updated often, package management is slower...? [01:07] so that i can fetch file from prod to standby using scp and apply on standby [01:07] war- (war@oper.us) joined #linuxhelp. [01:07] well when installing from tar / source binaries, there are updates often.. how often do redhat pass on these updates as RPM's.. or other distributions [01:07] it is a shell script i am triying to do [01:08] chandoo: hmm... one way would be if you setup passwordless (key-based) authentication with ssh.. then you could have scp be automated and copy over the log [01:08] RedFart|shinobi_ (~chatzilla@219.93.24.31) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:08] skunk: oh... all the time! [01:08] skunk: literally every day! [01:09] skunk: you should ask # what the preferred method of updating packages is, in the case of security updates [01:09] rogk (~rogk@dsl-hkigw10p78.dial.inet.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [01:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:10] i think i need to go to sleep [01:10] Nick change: amrit|0hr -> amrit|zzz [01:10] night [01:10] amrit|0hr: i had already setup the rsa key, no password is requeried [01:10] chandoo: then what's the issue? [01:11] i have standby log number and i am getting production log from the database, so that i know from which log to which log i need to bring to standby [01:11] do you like to see the script , i can paste it on pastebin [01:12] yeah... cuz otherwise i'm not understanding the question [01:12] setfacl -m g:U2\\Users:rwx /data/ [01:12] setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 3 [01:12] hi, whats wrong in here the above command [01:13] irvken (~sean@82-32-102-164.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [01:14] P0wer1 (daemon@rrba-146-91-96.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [01:14] I am trying to get my autofs working to mount cdrom automatically, strange thing is when i start the autofs daemon all my directorys in /mnt/ dissapear, when i stop the daemon they re-appear..any ideas? [01:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:15] amrit|zzz: thanks for your help tonight [01:15] cya [01:15] chandoo: sorry, this is taking too long and i have to sleep... maybe later if you're around [01:16] skunk: welcome [01:16] Action: amrit|zzz gone [01:16] skunk (~skunk@dialup-110.28.221.203.acc11-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) left irc: [01:17] http://www.pastebin.com/228308 [01:17] amrit|zzz: pls check [01:17] _SiegeX (1000@adsl-67-122-204-69.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:18] I am trying to get my autofs working to mount cdrom automatically, strange thing is when i start the autofs daemon all my directorys in /mnt/ dissapear, when i stop the daemon they re-appear..any ideas? [01:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:27] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:27] sonny_jim (~sonny_jim@ACBE0047.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:28] skunk (~skunk@dialup-110.28.221.203.acc11-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [01:29] SiegeX (1000@siegex.user) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:29] guys, I'm back, I just have another question.. when using package management to install apps... what happens to the parameters that you might otherwise epsify when you install from source / tars.. how does this work ? [01:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [01:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:31] for example when I recetly built apache I specied a few paramters .. not just --prefix but a few others.. how does pacakage management give you these options.. or are the options all set ? [01:32] ok so i guess an update or something on debian has caused major restriction in running programs as root (ok ok i know dont run things as root) i keep getting Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server [01:33] sparr (bob@sparr.active.supporter.pdpc) left #linuxhelp. [01:33] P0wer1 (daemon@rrba-146-91-96.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: "Leaving" [01:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:39] chandoo (~chandra@mars.mds.com.sg) left irc: ""chandra leaving...leaving...Left"" [01:39] tovella (~ktraglin@pool-141-149-34-56.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:39] overrider (~overrider@overrider.user) left irc: "Gone fishing..." [01:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:42] Norky (~dan@154.32.36.31) joined #linuxhelp. [01:44] there.. compiled quake2 and it won't load colormap.pcx [01:44] and noone has an md5sum for te working pak0.pak [01:44] where do you download these games in linux.. and are they free ? [01:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:45] have to get the windows version to get the paks. [01:45] and i have the fuill version.. and the damn thing still doesn't work [01:45] slap (~chatzilla@mikonos.cyclades.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [01:46] hello [01:46] my 233mmx never had these kinds of problems [01:46] bwlang (~bwlang@bb-66-55-211-238.gwi.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:47] skunk (~skunk@dialup-110.28.221.203.acc11-dryb-mel.comindico.com.au) left irc: [01:49] ziggyx (~ziggy@202.155.52.217) joined #linuxhelp. [01:49] WaSaBi_X (~wasabi@66.36.129.255) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:50] I screw up my windoze hd boot sect. 'Invalid media type' when I dir it. [01:50] good news is I can mount it under linux. [01:50] and I have a backup of the bootsect. [01:51] Tcl error in script for 'timer2087753': [01:51] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [01:51] question is what linux apps should I use to write this bootsect file into boot sect ? [01:52] icognito (~none@MORIA.MIT.EDU) left irc: "icognito has no reason" [01:52] icognito (~none@MORIA.MIT.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [01:53] newbie (~nobody@gprs40-11.eurotel.cz) joined #linuxhelp. [01:54] I can successfully mount encrypted $home with kdm but after logout from kde it stays mounted! Please HELP [01:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:55] FabParma (~chatzilla@host171-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) joined #linuxhelp. [01:58] damn broken termional.. still doesn't aee m,y cursor keys right [02:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:00] Writing user file... [02:00] Writing channel file... [02:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [02:03] newbie: you mounted an ecrypted $home with kdm? [02:03] yes with kdm [02:03] thats a new one on me :) [02:04] maybe you want to unmount $home when you reboot/halt as opposed to when you leave kde? [02:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:05] theatro (~george@ppp1-9.her.forthnet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [02:05] I set up /etc/pam.d/kdm [02:05] pam.d and encrypted partitions are beyond what ive messed with sorry [02:05] god this is soooo broken [02:05] I want to unmount $home on closing session because other users maz use it [02:06] there used to be a qay to navigate around the configuration in quake2.. [02:06] do people even play quake2 online anymore or something? [02:06] i don't know, I just like it [02:07] none of the linux quake howtos give you any clue how to feed options to it via the command line [02:07] and somehow it doesn't like my keyboard.. [02:07] I also added "CLOSE_SESSION yes" to /etc/login.defs [02:07] but it does not work for kde [02:07] so the menu that allows me to set mouselook as on is inaccessible [02:08] newbie: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:RsSNv467h0gJ:www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp%3Fforum%3D138%26thread%3D9762+encrypted+kdm+pam.d&hl=en [02:08] maybe that might help u? [02:09] newbie: if all else fails use google [02:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:10] I found that link before, the guy semms to have opposite problem because for me logout from login works but from kde not [02:11] none of the linux quake howtos give you any clue how to feed options to it via the command line -- the command line options are the same for windows or linux [02:11] +set mouselook on or similar I would imagine [02:11] does 'dd if=bootsec.backup of=/dev/myfirsthd' write the boot sect or mbr ? [02:11] Emil_Zeuthen (~emil@cpe.atm2-0-10837.0x50c766b2.bynxx14.customer.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:12] of 'myfirsthd' ? [02:12] newbie: sorry ive never delt with even an encrypted partition let alone pam.d and all that [02:12] the bootsector *is* the MBR (more or less) [02:13] Norky: any idea how to set video mode? [02:13] Norky : I accidentally 'setup (hd0,0)' in grub, I have the bootsect's backup file. [02:14] Norky: with no manpage to give me the commanline options and their proper syntax I am lost [02:14] heviarti: +vid_mode I *think*, bicbw [02:14] heviarti: google for quake command line options [02:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:15] ziggyx: setup hd(0,0) shouldn't be a problem... [02:15] you can't even feed it a bogus option and get a usage thingamabob [02:15] loesh (~loesh@212-112-181-46.opennet.wtnord.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:17] igor47 (~igor47@wireless-199-21.uchicago.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [02:17] anyone still awake in here? [02:19] it's 10:19, so I should think so :p [02:19] 10:19 am [02:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:20] its 4:16 am here. if you run postfix and want to help me keep my sanity, you should say something now [02:20] how to probe the monitor frequencies ? have i to use "debug" ? [02:21] newbie (~nobody@gprs40-11.eurotel.cz) left irc: "I am going away" [02:24] I don't know postfix [02:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:25] Mo666 (~mo666@d067251.adsl.hansenet.de) joined #linuxhelp. [02:25] ziggyx (~ziggy@202.155.52.217) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:28] Mo666 (~mo666@d067251.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Client Quit [02:29] heviarti (heviarti@predator.bigskytel.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:29] grepper (~ben@HSE-Kitchener-ppp194774.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:34] do you know a way to probe the monitor model/frequencies etc ? [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:37] FabParma: X should do that for you. [02:38] igor47: postfix is easy, what did you break? [02:38] i can't get it to deliver mail to where i want it to [02:38] matt_ (~matt@matts-desktop.faceparty.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:38] no matter what i do, it puts it into ~/Mailbox [02:39] matt_ (~matt@matts-desktop.faceparty.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:39] no matter what i set the home_mailbox variable to, it just ignores it [02:39] um. that's not postfix, that's your mda [02:39] postfix is my mda... [02:39] what are you using for a delivery agent? [02:39] no, postfix is your mta. [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:40] Obakeneko[away] (yumehito@giguz.turbo.nsk.su) joined #linuxhelp. [02:40] postfix can be the mda as well. i've got nothing else installed that could be it. [02:40] bigana (~ganastas@220-245-163-115-sa-nt-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [02:40] postfix, like sendmail, does not directly deliver mail to users, it uses a second program. it comes with a local delivery agent, it also can use procmail or maildrop [02:41] yeah, i'm using its local delivery agent [02:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:47] (irc.freenode.net claims to be tolkien.freenode.net; updating server list) [02:47] Identifying : NickServ (as \dev\bot) [02:47] \dev\bot joined #linuxhelp. [02:47] Inv_arp (junya@adsl-8-230-104.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:47] hellz_hunter (~abra@pcp02481343pcs.spedwy01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:47] dwn (~me@blk-224-135-253.eastlink.ca) joined #linuxhelp. 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[02:48] Tusnal (Tusnal@83.82.223.82.arsystel.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:49] 'morning [02:49] jlb|away (jlbartos@host-206-107-148-119.acelerate.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:49] Nick change: Obakeneko[away] -> yumehito [02:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:50] Norky, yeah but that site is quite huge and i havent found the good part yet [02:50] jlb|away (jlbartos@host-206-107-148-119.acelerate.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:52] Tcl error in script for 'timer2090293': [02:52] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [02:52] Nate_Grey (~byte@pcp01972919pcs.waldrf01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:53] the bite-covered qmail rises from the dead [02:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:58] No longer ignoring *!*@services. (expired) [02:58] pusakat (xenos@210.16.59.25) left irc: "Leaving" [03:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:00] bigana (~ganastas@220-245-163-115-sa-nt-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [03:03] chase (~chase@82.133.100.235) joined #linuxhelp. [03:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:07] blank_ (~blank@lns01-0362.dsl.iskon.hr) joined #linuxhelp. [03:08] quadfour (~quadfour@203-59-152-25.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [03:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:10] TimothyP (~timothy@212.228-136-217.adsl-fix.skynet.be) joined #linuxhelp. [03:10] can anyone suggest an online memory tester (not memtest86) [03:10] DarKZonE (~opera@213.91.164.130) joined #linuxhelp. [03:11] Hi, I have a centrino laptop and I'm running on SUSE9.2, it has a radion 9200 [03:11] I can't seem to enable multihead [03:12] quadfour: what's wrong with memtest86? [03:14] spike: I wanna have the system online (wanna be using it) while the test is running [03:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:15] quadfour: then open ur favorite editor and start coding it. also, a miracle is required [03:16] So there is no sequential online memory tester?? :( [03:16] quadfour: how do u expect it to test ur memory if u're using it? tests imply read/write operations, and those would crash ur system almost immediately [03:17] slap (~chatzilla@mikonos.cyclades.com.br) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7/20040618]" [03:17] spike: Eg, I am using maybe 400Mb of it (got 1Gb), I wanna test the rest [03:18] also, if such tool existed, it would be a poor one. I don't really see a way to do such test on a running system and expect it to be reliable [03:18] fair enough :\ [03:19] DarKZonE (~opera@213.91.164.130) left #linuxhelp. [03:19] trying to figure out why my mem was getting 100000s of error earlier, intermittantly [03:19] FabParma (~chatzilla@host171-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:19] quadfour: don't u sleep at night, do u? launch it before going to bed and check the report next morning [03:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:20] spike: will have to do so [03:21] yep, that's how we alDl do that [03:21] s/alDl/all [03:24] Tcl error in script for 'timer2092161': [03:24] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [03:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:26] Its wierd. I put a new drive in my PC, next boot and all consecutive boots had the kernel crashing unbelievably, and memtest86 was showing 100000s of errors. I reset bios to defaults and it seems to be fine now. [03:27] slash|server (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:28] since then however, a couple of stable apps have fallen over, so Im thinking the BIOS was doing something bad to the ram that may have damaged it [03:29] WaSaBi_X (~wasabi@dsl-133-110.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [03:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [03:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:30] FabParma (~chatzilla@host171-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) joined #linuxhelp. [03:32] slash|server (~vidarlo@217.149.127.10) joined #linuxhelp. [03:33] Jang- (~Jango@pacemetrics.plus.com) joined #linuxhelp. [03:34] Emil_Zeuthen (~emil@cpe.atm2-0-10837.0x50c766b2.bynxx14.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life [03:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:41] Sith_Tux (~Sith_Tux@alr-bw-3563d.adsl.wanadoo.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [03:41] Daedric (~noneof@82.154.214.183) left irc: Client Quit [03:41] Hello peeps [03:43] I need to install a application server and i was wondering wich distro would be approrpiate? [03:43] Daedric (~noneof@82.154.214.183) joined #linuxhelp. [03:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:49] Sith_Tux: the one you are most familiar with [03:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:50] well suse :-) but they don't want to pay license fee :-) [03:51] hey kasc [03:51] Sith_Tux: try mandrake [03:51] O_O [03:51] mandrake on a server? [03:51] overrider (~overrider@overrider.user) joined #linuxhelp. [03:51] 'lo spike :) [03:52] u'r kidding us, right? [03:52] how about centos? [03:52] debian is what u want [03:52] for a server [03:52] unless u're a BSD guy [03:53] slackware would work too, depending on ur skills and time available for sysadmining [03:53] spike: why would debian be better on a server (assuming you set each distro up appropriatly)? [03:54] igor47 (~igor47@wireless-199-21.uchicago.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [03:54] quadfour: because for a desktop it's reasonable to use other, maybe more userfriendly, distros [03:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:55] well it's going to run as aan application server with wine so they can run windows app on it [03:55] quadfour: have u ever admined suse or other rpm based distro? [03:55] cjk (~cjk@80.92.64.103) left irc: "Leaving" [03:55] quadfour: security updates are a nightmare [03:55] spike: yes :) [03:56] rebuilding kernels etc ;) [03:56] it's ok when u have to install mplayer or something for dekstops, but don't try a full system update [03:57] FabParma (~chatzilla@host171-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) left irc: Client Quit [03:57] and more important, apps default configs are far much better on debian then any other distro, except for gentoo-hardened if u want to consider it a distro [03:58] Tcl error in script for 'timer2093144': [03:58] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [03:58] gentoo always seems to hate me :( [03:59] FabParma (~chatzilla@host171-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) joined #linuxhelp. [03:59] quadfour: good for you [04:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:00] Writing user file... [04:00] Writing channel file... [04:00] grepper (~ben@HSE-Ottawa-ppp160910.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [04:00] no, not good for me ;) [04:00] hey grepper [04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [04:01] quadfour: it is, u avoided horrible wasted nights [04:01] morning [04:01] lol :) [04:02] Sith_Tux (~Sith_Tux@alr-bw-3563d.adsl.wanadoo.nl) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [04:03] portax (~portax@202.155.52.43) joined #linuxhelp. [04:04] para|ysis (~paralysis@195.251.136.69) joined #linuxhelp. [04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:05] hi [04:05] what sector does grub write when setup (hd0,0), is it Partition Table or Boot sector of first hd ? [04:05] hello para|ysis [04:05] Daffy-PKF (daffy-pkf@118.69.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:06] i am trying to mount a usbstick on linux but i get an error: mount: /dev/sda1: can't read superblock [04:06] portax: certainly not partition table. I believe its the boot sector of the partition [04:06] i ve been googling for a while but nothing helpfull came up....any ideas pls? [04:06] para|ysis: 1) is the stick actually partitioned? 2) what filesystem is it you think is on said stick? [04:07] Skunky: its partitioned ...the filesystem is fat [04:07] para|ysis: means that it could be trying to mount it with wrong fs, or perhaps another problem [04:07] para|ysis: fdisk -l /dev/sda please [04:07] quadfour, then I've screwed up my boot sector.I do 'setup (hd0,0)' and when I reboot, my windoze wouldn't boot. But still I can mount it in linux. [04:08] I kept the original bootsector as a file, how can I write this file to the bootsector ? [04:08] portax: you don't need windows, really. [04:08] Skunky: /dev/sda1 * 1 999 255728 b W95 FAT32 [04:08] portax: windows usually puts its boot stuff onto the boot record of its partiton, if hda1 is ur windows partition then you [04:08] heh yeah Skunky. [04:08] .... are outa luck with windows [04:08] overrider (~overrider@overrider.user) left irc: "Gone fishing..." [04:09] portax: there is a way, I can't recall [04:09] para|ysis: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/whatever ? [04:09] portax: uses dd for memory [04:09] i also added "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usbstick vfat user,noauto,umask=0 0 0" on fstab [04:09] while i was reading the "help" on Sarge, i get this msg: "The requested help file could not be found. Check that you have installed the documentation." . how can i find the missing documentation? [04:09] FabParma: ask in #debain. [04:09] Skunky: i ve tried tah...same error [04:09] *that [04:09] a friend told me to do 'dd if=bootsectfile of=/dev/myfirsthd'. Won't this erase my partition table instead of boot sect ? [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:10] para|ysis: cat /proc/filesystems and verify that vfat is listed [04:10] portax: there are command line switches that tell it where to write (after 512 bytes or something?) [04:10] Skunky: yes its listed :) [04:10] portax: Ill find it for ya [04:10] boot sector is the first 512 bytes of your hard drive. [04:11] para|ysis: can you mount said stick in (ick) windows? [04:11] thx quadfour. [04:11] Skunky, isn't it part table ? [04:11] yeap [04:11] portax: no. partition table follows boot sector. [04:12] oh [04:12] portax: boot sector is just that. the very first sector of the disk. [04:12] ok, then it is safe to do the 'dd', isn't it ? [04:13] Skunky: yeap dude...it works alright on winblowz :) [04:13] portax: no, I recall there are switches [04:13] can't remember the name of the *nix program that searches and fixes partition tables [04:13] portax: make sure you tell it to only write 512 bytes, or verify that the file you're of= is only 512 bytes. [04:14] yes, the bootsect file is 512 bytes. [04:14] para|ysis: then I don't know. ): you aren't getting any messages in /var/log/messages or similar about scsi timeouts are you? [04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:15] lo [04:15] I tried to 'less' the file, as beside the garbled text i notice 'MSWIIN4' text. [04:15] Skunky: nope...no such errors...thanks a lot anywayz!!!!! [04:17] quadfor : I've man dd, what about adding 'bs=512 count=1' to dd ? [04:18] FabParma: what's the prob? 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[04:23] I'm having problems with dri, my framerate is almost 1000fps :P [04:23] ahahah [04:24] very strange, I've never got much more than 600fps in glxgears with this radeon 7500 and my PII 400 [04:24] FabParma: which manuals/documentation missing? u mean man? [04:24] grepper: I'm confused, why is this a problem? [04:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:25] Skunky, its not, just a suprise. would I be getting a higher rate cause I am using a smaller monitor ? [04:25] or are SUSE's radeon drivers highly patched [04:26] I was using xorg before, on debian [04:26] but with a larger monitor [04:26] grepper: smaller monitor, or lower resolution? [04:27] hmm, nope , both are 1024x768 at 24 depth [04:27] spike: for "The KHelpCenter" (kde help center) [04:27] 13" vs 17" [04:27] grepper: physical monitor size should have nothing to do with it [04:27] grepper: how the hell can you see 1024 on a 13" monitor? (: [04:27] Skunky, I can't :) [04:28] just testing [04:28] grepper: 2000fps w/o seti running on my system, 76fps with set running (its running at nice 19) [04:28] however I put my glasses on and it definately said 995.00 FPS [04:29] I've tried this on half a dozen distro's and never seen near these rates [04:29] FabParma: no idea sorry, never used kde in my life [04:29] here's the problem, I don't want to use SUSE :P [04:29] I'm just installing/testing for a machine I'm building for a nephew [04:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [04:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:30] franl (~Francis@ppp0a031.std.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:30] FabParma: but this pkg sounds interesting... khelpcenter - KDE Help Center [04:30] but if I can squeeze this much more out of this card, its tempting [04:30] hry grepper what distro are you using? [04:30] spike: i have a look . have u used apt? [04:30] usually debian, this is SUSE that has the "problem" [04:31] FabParma: have u used apt for what? to find out that pkg? [04:33] Gartt_ (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:33] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.180.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:37] TimothyP (~timothy@212.228-136-217.adsl-fix.skynet.be) left irc: [04:39] portax (BeerStylez@202.155.52.43) joined #linuxhelp. [04:39] tangent3 (tangent@cm177.sigma74.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [04:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:40] quadfor: it works, man! I've saved my windoze partition. [04:40] kspud (~sure@ip68-102-246-114.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:40] thx a lot [04:41] portax (BeerStylez@202.155.52.43) left #linuxhelp. [04:41] how can I setup routing so that a machine [04:41] :) [04:41] connected to my wireless interface via an ad hoc network can access the internet through my other ethernet card? [04:42] ok grepper try mandarke or koppix or unbuntu [04:42] WdnSpoon: you need ip forwarding [04:42] Nate_Grey, eh ? [04:42] WdnSpoon: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward [04:43] the other distro's you could use grepper [04:43] Nate_Grey, I am not looking for other distros [04:43] quadfour, that's all I need to do? [04:43] FabParma (~chatzilla@host171-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) left irc: Client Quit [04:44] WdnSpoon: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -o ppp0 -s 172.16.0.0/24 -d 0/0 -j MASQUERADE" [04:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:45] WdnSpoon: minus the " on the end, and change the -o and -s bit to suit [04:49] Gartt (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:51] WdnSpoon (~chatzilla@CPE00055d217039-CM000f9f1e3504.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:52] Tcl error in script for 'timer2094830': [04:52] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [04:54] Daffy-PKF (daffy-pkf@118.69.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:00] Writing user file... [05:00] Writing channel file... [05:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:06] google (~google@users.eiwaz.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:06] google (~google@users.eiwaz.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:10] mako-sam1 (1000@82.194.41.73) joined #linuxhelp. [05:14] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [05:14] hi there guys, how can you check what version of linux you have :\ [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:15] if you cant see it boot [05:15] Lumax (~Lumax@213.161.182.253) joined #linuxhelp. [05:16] since i dont know what version i have some way to find out [05:18] jordan21: uname -a [05:19] thx! [05:19] i every one..when i have chroot'ed to lfs and trying to install an app i get this error [05:19] bash: /dev/null: Permission denied [05:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:20] whats wrong? [05:20] quadfour its still not printing what version, only my kernel version [05:20] kinda need to know what redhat version i have :\ [05:20] jordan21 see if you for a modt in /etc [05:21] motd [05:21] yeah i have its empty [05:21] i think its rh8 but im not sure [05:22] hmm can you help me [05:23] i dont know the answer sorry :( [05:23] i have a files called slackware-version in /etc,, dont know if redhat has the same [05:23] mako-sama (1000@217.17.236.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:24] Slackware 10.0.0 [05:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:27] no i dont have thos files shame then ill just have to reboot it sometime to see [05:27] you actuly dont need that,, it's some where [05:28] there is a file somewhere [05:29] Lumax, you may need to remount it dev [05:29] jordan21: try "cat /proc/version" [05:29] grepper i did this [05:29] mount -f -t ramfs ramfs $LFS/dev [05:29] mount -f -t tmpfs tmpfs $LFS/dev/shm [05:29] mount -f -t devpts -o gid=4,mode=620 devpts $LFS/dev/pts [05:29] mount -t proc proc $LFS/proc [05:29] mount -t sysfs sysfs $LFS/sys [05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:30] as i'm suppose to do [05:30] but still error :c [05:30] Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)) #1 Thu Mar 13 17:18:24 EST 2003 [05:30] doesent make it very clear.. its just an offline testing box [05:31] i havent been on it for months but wanted to start testing postgresql [05:31] i thought i had redhat 8 "S [05:31] Ah.. for my old box it shows Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-98 [05:31] I mean when you originally mount it, before you chroot - did you try mount -o remount,rw,dev /foo ? [05:31] I think the 3.2.2-5 is gcc version [05:32] grepper hmm woud that help in a chrooted envierment [05:32] you guys know an easy way to get rpm file? [05:32] Lumax: did you create the /dev nodes in $LFS/dev? [05:32] ap2get or something [05:32] downloading all those by hand is really frustrating [05:33] kasc.. i think so, ye [05:33] Lumax: what permission has $LFS/dev/null then? [05:33] jordan21: Hah :). I have "cat /etc/redhat-release" -file too ;) [05:33] kasc wait [05:34] Which shows a different version than /proc/version, btw [05:34] Lumax, I meant outside of the chroot, before you chroot. Just a guess as you get that error trying to install lilo in a chroot without it mounted rw,dev [05:34] indeed i see thnx its the latest version [05:34] never done lfs tho so I may be way off [05:34] crwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 5 09:26 null [05:34] newbien_ (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.115.stowetel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:34] Lumax: dev/null should be 666 [05:34] grepper i have already installed lilo [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:35] kasc 666 hmm ok [05:35] ill try that [05:35] ok [05:37] Tcl error in script for 'timer2095839': [05:37] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [05:37] kasc nop [05:37] no luck ther eighter [05:37] Lumax: what was the exact error message again? [05:38] bash: /dev/null: Permission denied [05:38] Lumax: and what are the permissions now? ;) [05:38] for /dev/null? [05:38] yes [05:39] crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jan 5 09:26 /dev/null [05:39] hm... [05:39] do you have devfs support in your kernel? [05:39] my knoppix hdd install cannot display anything at all, must have removeed it wuth aptitude, can u help? [05:39] kasc yep [05:39] i think so.. [05:39] Lumax: why not mount it there then? [05:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:40] Lumax: cat /proc/filesystems should tell you [05:40] nodev devpts [05:41] ugarit_ (~ugarit@216-15-34-7.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:41] ugarit__ (~ugarit@216-15-34-7.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:41] Gartt (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:41] then you dont have it [05:41] so it's supported [05:41] ok [05:41] devpts != devfs [05:41] nodev = dont have [05:41] ? [05:41] nodev means it doesnt need a physical device [05:41] ahh ok... [05:41] but devpts and devfs are different things [05:42] so i just recompile my kernel with dezfs support [05:42] devfs [05:42] should definitely help [05:42] cant i modprobe? [05:42] insmod? [05:43] StevenR (~foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [05:43] if you have a module for that... [05:43] i doubt it, tho [05:43] do you know whats it calles [05:43] devfs.ko? [05:44] try it, but it shouldnt be avaliable as a module [05:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:45] madaucer_ (~MaDaucer@dna16-191.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Client Quit [05:45] kasc nop i cant find it as a module.. have to recompile :/ [05:46] you guys know how i can view a list of all my harddisks in the system? [05:46] and then, mount 1 unactive disk, so i can read from it? [05:46] thx kasc.. now i know what caused the error :) [05:46] i have dont it before but forgot the commands something like disknfio or so [05:46] franl (~Francis@ppp0a031.std.com) left irc: "O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember ..." [05:47] Lumax: this should not be the cause for the error but a possible solution [05:47] if it helps i'm happy :) [05:47] Tusnal (Tusnal@83.82.223.82.arsystel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:48] is there a way to mount a harddisk? [05:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:50] kasc what section is it uder in kerner config [05:52] i think i foud it [05:52] queuetue (~Scott@h69-21-252-54.69-21.unk.tds.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:53] kasc its this right?: [*] /dev file system support (OBSOLETE) [05:54] yes [05:54] mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt -t vfat < would mound the 2nd harddisk right? [05:54] ok,, it was off [05:54] second master [05:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:55] newbien (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.180.stowetel.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] jordan21> mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt [05:55] jordan21: the first partition on it, yes [05:56] kasc: its a bit confuzing, i would like to permanantly add an extra harddisk to the system [05:56] but mount only mounts to a certain directory in mount like /mnt/seconddisk [05:56] put it in fstab jordan21 [05:56] *thinks i seek a good howto [05:56] ep (~ep@ip68-97-124-161.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:57] Gartt_ (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:57] theb problem is the disk is full.. i need to erase all contents of the correct disk, add it to my system as full disk permanently then im done [05:57] how do I get the full path of a specified filename (possibly relative to the current directory)? [05:57] jordan21: look for some basic tutorial to linux [05:57] jordan21: and after that the manpage to mount [05:58] already readign but it not very clear, mount will permanantly add the disk to the system then? [05:59] mperry (~mperry@m206-45.dsl.tsoft.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:59] jordan21 man fstab [05:59] jordan21: no, only temporary [05:59] reading. fstab is a file with the disk definitions [06:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:00] Writing user file... [06:00] Writing channel file... [06:00] i would rather not mess something like this up :S [06:00] jordan21 if you want the hd permanently on the system you must put it in fstab [06:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [06:01] you dont need to be a guru to do it [06:01] it's quit simple [06:01] i know :P just the correct line, but i dont even know yet how the disk is named hehe :P [06:01] dont know if the 2nd is slave of the 1st of a secondary master [06:01] fdisk then p [06:01] kreg (~kreg@209.161.26.78) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:01] look at the partision tables [06:02] mount /dev/hdx1 /mnt -t vfat = boot [06:02] fdsik /dev/hdc [06:02] then p [06:02] kreg (~kreg@209.161.26.78) joined #linuxhelp. [06:03] got 2 disks hdb(1 to 3) 1* =boot [06:03] hdb1 * is boot also [06:03] but that 2nd disk contains an old linux install [06:03] re [06:03] hdb(1,9) < think this is the 2nd disk [06:03] arr you are hopeless... [06:03] you dont know? just think [06:04] B should be the 2nd he. [06:04] norkers (1000@cpc1-bagu3-3-0-cust162.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:04] b = 2nd on 1st ide channel [06:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:05] hdc = master on 2 ide channel [06:05] indeed.. [06:05] hi all [06:05] so i have disk1 primary master, disk 2 slave of primary master [06:05] thats clear [06:05] yep [06:05] whats on hdc? [06:05] can anyone help me with connecting a sony ericsson t630 to my linux box via a usb datacable? [06:05] cdrom? [06:05] totally stuck :( [06:06] kidaz (~rory@thedowds.demon.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [06:06] whooaa my kernel is finished :) [06:06] lumax: there is no hdc [06:07] no cdroms? or dvd's? [06:07] cd rom [06:07] well you can call it hdc [06:07] no disks [06:07] indeed its hdc in that case [06:07] Question, how do you define network names, i.e. i want to change eth0 to be eth1... By the way my network drivers are compiled into the kernel so I dont think aliasing them in modules.conf will work. Any ideas? [06:08] kidaz> modules.conf [06:08] only the problem i have.. 1) does my current linux install wrote any data to the hdb1/9 2) can i safely format that disk and how :\ [06:08] alias eth0 modulename [06:08] thats kinda the 1st of 2 stept to complete, then only the fstab file [06:08] alias eth1 modulname [06:08] Lumax will that work, considering I have the drivers in the kernel? [06:08] i done it [06:09] Ok, well to make things harder what if I have 2 nics of the same make and thus the same driver [06:09] they cant both be eth0 [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:10] yes they can [06:10] like eth0:1 [06:10] where : denotes a range [06:10] lumax: is there a way to determine if i can safely format that 2nd disk? [06:10] ? [06:10] like in, without my current linux stops from running [06:10] jak (jak@lart.info) joined #linuxhelp. [06:11] jordan21 umount it and mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdX [06:11] Jang- (~Jango@pacemetrics.plus.com) left irc: "Using KVIrc 3.0.1 'System Virtue'" [06:11] hello everybody. does anybody know where to find a kinda script to convert a "normal" fs-structure into imap compatible format (/blah/foo into .blah.foo)? thx [06:11] kidaz i'm not guit sure,, i did compile my nic as modules [06:11] kidaz: u can't. ethNUM is designed by where nics are plugged, PCI number actually [06:12] spike Thats what I thought too, however i swapped the 2 nics and they still were given the same name [06:12] so the PCI theory didnt work for me [06:13] youpi_ (~youpi@82.230.129.61) joined #linuxhelp. [06:13] kidaz: well, PCI number may not change accordingly to PCI but rather be dependent on something else. anyway, it's an hw issue, not software one. u've no way to force it by linux, neither any other OS afaik [06:13] kidaz: btw, why would u want to do that? [06:14] youpi_ (~youpi@82.230.129.61) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:15] spike, cos I have all my scripts set up for eth0 being broadband gateway and eth1 being my gigabit nic to the internal net [06:15] kidaz: I c. well this should teach u the art of configuration variables ;) [06:16] kidaz: always do something like EXTNIC=eth0 ; INTNIC=eth1 [06:16] and use varibales, $EXTNIC and $INTNIC in ur scripts [06:16] then changes are just a matter of replacing those two initial lines [06:17] jak: var="/blah/foo"; echo $var | sed 's/\//./g' # .blah.foo [06:17] spike, I see, thanks.... het is goed! [06:17] Static_Daemon (~Static_Da@ppp226-40.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:18] Action: kidaz goes off to edit all his scripts [06:18] ciao [06:18] uh [06:18] kidaz: where are u from? [06:18] if I may ask... [06:18] england [06:19] ah [06:19] Action: spike gets confused by "ciao" spreading [06:19] CIAO A TUTTI! [06:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:20] ;) [06:20] eheheh [06:20] Oh, all the exotic greetings are in fashion. Namaste! or Sayonara! [06:20] sensei: look, after all we're not dumb, just exotic :P [06:21] heh [06:21] and what about "moin"? ;) [06:21] Action: sensei reminds spike of the fact that pineapples and baboons are exotic as well :) [06:22] Oh, I like pineapples and baboons as well, but simply pronouncing "sayonara" occationally is much simpler [06:22] And pineapples are not exotic, they're cheap food that has been available for as long as I've been [06:22] I didn't know ciao or sayonara were greetings.. I thought they were only said when someone departs [06:23] Lumax (~Lumax@213.161.182.253) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:23] Aldaron: It's still exotic. In fact, anything growing further than like a 1000 miles away from home is exotic, regardless of the quantities at hand :) [06:23] Fiver, most "greetings" do not have an exact meaning [06:24] I mean, the local zoo has baboons, you'd still consider them exotic [06:24] sensei: Oh, then most things I eat are exotic :) [06:24] so "Good-bye" is a greeting? [06:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:25] Fiver: not sure. Its exotic value is not lessened by probable inaccuracies :) [06:25] Action: Fiver chuckles [06:26] kidaz (~rory@thedowds.demon.co.uk) left irc: "BitchX Official WWW Site -- http://www.bitchx.com" [06:26] I've always wanted a pet monkey [06:27] Lumax (~Lumax@213.161.182.253) joined #linuxhelp. [06:28] kasc [06:28] i got devfs now [06:28] but still samer error [06:28] Lumax: does it work? [06:28] hm [06:28] what command did get you that error? [06:29] err its long [06:29] quadfour (~quadfour@203-59-152-25.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Client exiting" [06:29] i have to flod if i-m goint to paste it here [06:29] only one command? [06:29] nickthorley (~chatzilla@host-212-158-245-3.bulldogdsl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [06:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:30] put only the important part ;) [06:30] hroot "$LFS" /usr/bin/env -i \ [06:30] HOME=/root TERM="$TERM" PS1='\u:\w\$ ' \ [06:30] PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin \ [06:30] /bin/bash --login [06:30] does anyone know the key file which indicates whether lilo or grub is used on the system [06:30] lesshaste (~lesshaste@lesshaste.plus.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:30] is there any way to rename an entry in the rpm database? [06:30] Lumax: try only chroot $LFS [06:31] but i need to set the evierment [06:31] hold on [06:31] set if after you chroot'ed [06:32] guys i just created a new partition on my second hardisk, but fdisk -l is not showing it up [06:32] did i forgot anything? [06:33] configure: line 292: /dev/null: Permission denied [06:33] arr when i try to install a sourses i get 1000 of that [06:34] jordan21: did you write after creating that partition [06:34] Lumax: you are in that chroot now, right? [06:34] i got a treminal open for it [06:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:35] recheck the permissions of /dev/null ;) [06:35] kasc: i think i know the issue [06:35] kasc: with fdisk, x, and how could i create a 100% partition on my hdb disk ext3 in command line form ? [06:35] also getting an The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 29104. error [06:36] Luma [06:36] arr [06:36] crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-01-05 09:26 /dev/null [06:37] it looks good.. doesn it? [06:37] it does [06:37] it's weird [06:38] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.193.121) joined #linuxhelp. [06:38] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.193.121) left irc: Client Quit [06:39] overrider (~overrider@overrider.user) left irc: Operation timed out [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:40] kasc got any other ideas? [06:40] i'm open for all suggestions [06:40] ufo (~ufo@lepelaar.demon.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [06:41] SyPh4 (~xb1t@rrba-165-37-36.telkomadsl.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [06:42] so putty let you use graphical dos screen, ansi or something [06:43] eh? [06:44] you can use putty to have those graphical dos screens [06:44] =D [06:44] if i start mondo seceure it just states nonsense anyways not really important [06:44] It's nowhere near dos. You can call it "command prompt", but for us it's a shell [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:45] i mean that :P [06:45] Lumax: currently not, sorry [06:45] And it's also not graphical, apart from being inside a window ;) [06:45] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) left irc: [06:46] Tcl error in script for 'timer2097219': [06:46] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [06:46] SyPh4 (~xb1t@rrba-165-37-36.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:48] Gartt_ (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:49] kg (~phoenixx@adsl204.wa.globaldial.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:50] Hi [06:50] anyone here know anything about HLDS? [06:54] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) joined #linuxhelp. [06:54] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [06:54] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Client Quit [06:54] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:55] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:55] anyone can help me out with fstab? how i add an extra disk to my system true that file? [06:55] the disk is correctly setup and partitioned i figured that out\ [06:56] jordan21: First of all, try to get it mounted using the 'mount' command [06:56] have you read the man page for fstab? [06:56] FabParma (~chatzilla@host171-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) joined #linuxhelp. [06:56] Gartt (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:57] Once you know the corresponding /dev, just copy an existing entry and do the necessary modifications (they should be pretty obvious, if not, read the manpage) [06:58] ive read the manpage on fstab [06:59] i dont know how to mount it thats the problem [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:00] anyone here know anything about HLDS? [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:01] WaSaBi_X (~wasabi@dsl-133-110.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:03] Alek0228 (~hi@ppp34-11-gw04.athens.access.acn.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [07:03] kg, yes [07:03] sensei: If I change the kernel hz value [07:04] will I get better hlds performance? [07:04] I dunno, I'm just confident that anyone in here knows anything about HLDS [07:04] well, what is it? [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:05] gamer (~gamer@c529cabae.cable.wanadoo.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [07:05] zion (~user@roc-24-169-218-245.rochester.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:05] Nick change: gamer -> rayen [07:05] zion (~user@roc-24-169-218-245.rochester.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.600 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"). [07:05] FabParma (~chatzilla@host171-125.pool80180.interbusiness.it) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041128]" [07:06] hi, my X didn't shutdown as the way it should have been, I can't login with my GUI on the account Rayen anymore, it's stuck while "loading Window Manager", my other accounts seems to work fine, how could I fix the account "Rayen" ? [07:06] can i ask here about firewall? [07:06] sure [07:06] rayen: What windowmanager are you using ? [07:07] KDE [07:07] i have redhat 9 and zipslack 10 at my disposal, should i assume that they have alike firewall settings [07:07] rayen: Well, one solution would be to remove ~/.kde* [07:07] norkers (1000@cpc1-bagu3-3-0-cust162.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:08] rayen: Note, however, that this will most likely remove anything KDE specific you've configured [07:08] IE kaddressbook, kontact etc. [07:08] ah that shouldn't be a problem :) [07:09] If that doesn't work, try removing any stale KDE sockets from /tmp [07:09] guess i asked with the wrong way, i will try again: can redhat 9 (3 cd version) offer me a protection alike to ZoneAlarm pro for Windows? [07:09] Alek0228: It contains iptables, so yeah [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:10] i am not sure i understand what iptabled are, is there a place where i can learn more about readhat 9 firewall configuration? [07:10] i mean, documentation and such [07:10] (in English if possible) [07:11] Alek0228: Well, 'man iptables' or.. [07:11] google: iptables tutorial [07:11] iptables tutorial: http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html [07:11] thanks but.. [07:11] is the user "google" a bot? [07:11] Though, if you don't feel like learning it, try and find a GUI front-end for iptables (start searching www.freshmeat.net) [07:12] Yeah [07:12] Alek0228: man iptables is probably NOT the way to learn, it's a bit hard :) [07:12] Alek0228: you have user "google" on your machine? [07:12] True.. the manpage is good for reference, most likely not for learning [07:12] sensei, just wondering, what's the command to remove a non-empty directory? [07:13] rm -rf [07:13] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) joined #linuxhelp. [07:13] sensei: a GUI would be preferable, at least in the beginning :) [07:13] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) left irc: [07:13] sensei: if you happen to know more URL, please tell them to me [07:13] Static_Daemon (~Static_Da@ppp226-40.lns1.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:14] http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=firewall+gui§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 [07:14] I'm sure one of those will satisfy your needs [07:14] APunker (1000@CBL217-132-94-8.bb.netvision.net.il) joined #linuxhelp. [07:14] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:14] Hello. What are the procedures of connecting a router? Same thing as windows? Coz I heard you need to build an iptable or something like that. Can anyone clear that one for me? [07:14] sensei: you mean it is a peer or better to zonealarm? [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:15] Well, at least I wouldn't say a peer [07:15] APunker: no.. If you have a router device, you're probably fine just throwing it in. If you'd want your linux to BE a router, you'd need to configure iptables [07:15] But it allows you to close, open and forward ports for all/any or some IP's etc.. Everything you need [07:16] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [07:16] will i also be able to close all uneeded TCP ports? [07:16] can anyone help me with fstab line? [07:16] Alek0228: For sure [07:16] zoneAlarm does this automatically, so i dont know how to do it manually :-| [07:16] jordan21: maybe :). [07:16] ill need a second harddisk hdb1 partition to be added automatically to my system [07:16] zion (~user@roc-24-169-218-245.rochester.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:17] kinda confused ive read about it @ http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html [07:17] iptables -P INPUT DROP [07:17] but how to add a second disk is unclear to me [07:17] Hm, that's not really a good idea, but that denies everything that is not accepted ;) [07:17] Including inbound sockets, right? [07:17] :) [07:18] well, including everything inbound [07:18] Action: sensei managed to firewall himself off of his X and sendmail in his early days [07:18] impressive :) [07:18] scristian (~cristian@pc13.vimaro-ge.suceava.rdsnet.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [07:18] Highly skilled :) [07:18] jordan21: /dev/hdb1 /whereyouwantit filesystem_type defaults 0 0 [07:18] ipchaisn was teh evil [07:18] ipchains* [07:19] Oh, I once managed to drop all SSH traffic while using it remotely [07:19] aldaron: wherei want it.. its a backup disk, so i could name it /backup [07:19] and how does fstab works, do i need to reboot? [07:19] Had to go over to undo =) [07:19] jordan21: Hey.. it's not Windows :) [07:19] mount -a will read /etc/fstab and mount all records accordingly [07:19] i know ;) but do i have to restart a service or so? [07:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:20] and that extra line, should it be @the end of the fstab file? [07:20] Nops [07:20] jordan21: /backup sounds okay. Just add the line to the end of fstab, the ordering doesn't matter. You need to create /backup -directory [07:20] yeps [07:20] ugarit (~ugarit@164.86.10.75) left irc: Client Quit [07:20] jordan21: then you can say "mount /backup" and all extra info is found from fstab [07:20] Aldaron: Oh! I gotchya! [07:20] where can i ask questions about setting up my ZipSlack 10 ? [07:21] i mean channel, not forum [07:21] APunker: um.. I didn't get that =D [07:21] Alek0228: #slackware on irc.oftc.net [07:21] thanks :)) [07:21] Alek0228 (~hi@ppp34-11-gw04.athens.access.acn.gr) left irc: [07:21] thanks Aldaron , that worked but getting error mount: mount point /backup does not exist [07:22] jordan21: yes. You need to "mkdir /backup" [07:22] just inside my / [07:22] Wherever :) [07:22] Try to create it outside of / ;) [07:22] Gartt (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:22] woudent work would it? just asking i never used these disk stuff tools [07:22] i know it looks stupid :P [07:23] If you do "mkdir something", the directory goes to where you are. "mkdir /something" always puts it to "/", because of the "/" ;) [07:23] i know [07:23] jordan21: well, in linux, every partition is either / or mounted inside / ;) [07:23] i meant.. does it have to be inside / [07:23] where /root is a subdir [07:23] Alek0228 (~hi@ppp34-11-gw04.athens.access.acn.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [07:23] its done it mounted, any way to check it its okay [07:23] Well, you CAN put it in /var/backup for example, definitely [07:24] . /backup /root/ /usr [07:24] well, "cd /backup" and make a few files there [07:24] created a backup like that [07:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:25] it's me again, sorry to interupt, but the server irc.oftc.net is giving me an error "Unable to connect to server (Too many levels of remote in path)" [07:25] Usually I mount a backup or shared partition under /home, so /home/share or /home/backup [07:25] ok that works.. only problem the disk seems very small to me [07:25] jordan21: "df" shows how small [07:25] . /dev/hdb1 47584 4128 40988 10% /backup [07:25] i know, thats not right :S [07:25] Alek0228: oh, I'm sorry but I can't help with that [07:25] i created 1 temp file very small + there was lost+found [07:25] :-| ok [07:25] thats all on the disk [07:25] Alek0228 (~hi@ppp34-11-gw04.athens.access.acn.gr) left irc: Client Quit [07:26] should be a 60GB disk [07:26] wrong partition isent it? i did not correctly created a partition [07:26] Ah ;). [07:26] You should've done that first. Then "fdisk /dev/hdb" first [07:26] after unmounting [07:26] how do i get my nic to get an ip address from my dhcp server? [07:27] dhclient ethX where X is the number of the nic you want to use [07:27] or dhcpcd -i ethX if dhclient doesn't exist [07:28] umount /backup device busy :S [07:28] nothing opened, now what :S [07:28] agney (~bofh@agney.user) joined #linuxhelp. [07:28] jordan21: you need to cd away from the directory [07:28] The "device [07:28] is busy if you are in the directory [07:29] hedgehair (~hedgehair@user-0c6sdm3.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:29] saqib (~saqib@203.89.140.45) joined #linuxhelp. [07:29] ok its working now indeed [07:29] some one please guide in BACKUPS [07:29] still buzzy very shameing this is [07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [07:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:30] ok fixed.. hmmz now its the problem howto crate a partition thats 100% [07:30] grepper (~ben@HSE-Ottawa-ppp160910.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [07:31] The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 29104. [07:31] There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, [07:31] saqib: We don't know about anything that google doesn't [07:31] I am working on a projects that minipulate backups [07:31] jordan21: in fdisk, you can use "p" to view current partitions. If there are none, "n" boldly to make a new one. I think it's quite self-explanatory [07:31] it is in the beginning stage [07:32] i know N indeed [07:32] but the problem is , is the partition extended or primary (for backup purposes_ [07:33] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) joined #linuxhelp. [07:33] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:33] kg (~phoenixx@adsl204.wa.globaldial.com) left irc: "( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )" [07:34] jordan21: primary [07:34] the numer of cylinders is to 29104 any idea howto create a 100% partition on that disk :? [07:34] primary is good. [07:34] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) joined #linuxhelp. [07:34] hedgehair (~hedgehair@user-0c6sdm3.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:34] If there are no partitions before you add one, you'll set starting cylinder to 1 and last cylinder to whatever it shows is the last one on disk ;) [07:34] First cylinder (1-29104, default 1): < the 1st time i selected 1 [07:35] Tcl error in script for 'timer2099332': [07:35] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [07:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:35] and i selected last cylinder as 29104: which gives me a very small partition :S [07:35] i must do somthing wrong here.. [07:35] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:35] jordan21 : fdisk -l /dev/device, and paste it on www.pastebin.com. give us the url after that [07:35] ok, the cylinder size cant be right.. pasting [07:36] http://www.pastebin.com/228399 [07:37] its only 15GB [07:37] wastrel (~wastrel@dsl254-127-242.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:37] uhmm, i see no partition declared. and fdisk says the drive is 15GB in size. is that correct? [07:37] yes [07:37] i tink so [07:37] dont know for sure :S [07:38] well shit. create a partition. put a filesystem on it. [07:38] i assume [07:38] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) joined #linuxhelp. [07:38] ok i first create a partition then and then the filesystem with mkfs ext3 or something [07:38] yep. depending on the filesystem you want [07:38] Gartt_ (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:39] Oh, I think the cylinder size can be whatever, depending on various things. There was some correlation between real capacity, heads, sectors and cylinders, but i dunno =D [07:39] so i'm dual-booting for the first time, is it customary to give both OS's the same hostname? or do they get unique hostnames [07:39] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:39] mkfs ext3 /dev/hdb? [07:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:40] wastrel : it's up to you. since it is the same machine, the same hostname would be fine. [07:40] jordan21 : uhmm, no. /dev/hdb is a drive, not a partition [07:40] . /hdb1 then right? [07:41] how the hell should i know? you're the one that created it [07:41] :P i know ;) but that should be the partition [07:41] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-152-119.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: "ZzZ" [07:41] could as well be hdc1 [07:41] or hdc2 [07:41] philc1 (~reformist@pcp07729581pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) left irc: "g'day" [07:42] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-152-119.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:43] [mando@localhost root]# mkfs -f ext3 /dev/hdb1 [07:43] mke2fs 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) [07:43] mkfs.ext2: bad fragment size - ext3 [07:43] thats the last step, and it wont work anything i did wrong maybe [07:43] jordan21 : man mkfs [07:43] mkfs -t [07:44] ok thx (K) ill have to reboot ill see then it should work, thanks alot [07:44] jordan21 [07:44] Then again, you probably have mkfs.ext3 "shortcut" [07:44] not like mkfs -f ext3 /dev/hdb1 [07:44] saqib (~saqib@203.89.140.45) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:44] zion (~user@roc-24-169-218-245.rochester.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.600 $ (IRC client for Emacs)"). [07:44] mksf.ext3 /dev/hdb1 [07:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:45] ananke [07:45] you have been helpfull several times [07:45] and? [07:45] maybe you can help me [07:45] not until you actually state your problem [07:46] when i chroot $LFS i get error [07:46] well i can chrott to $lfs but [07:46] when i try to install a source i error [07:46] but for crying out loud, get to the point. learn how to type on the same line. show me the errors [07:47] ./configure: line 1: /dev/null: Permission denied [07:47] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Client Quit [07:47] obviously you don't have /dev/null [07:47] yes its there [07:47] ls -la /dev/null [07:47] see the permissions for it [07:47] s/see/check [07:47] crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2005-01-05 09:26 /dev/null [07:48] that seems ok. however, are you doing that within the chroot or outside of it? [07:48] within the chroot [07:49] d'oh.. [07:49] try something like: echo "whatever" > /dev/null [07:49] sh-3.00# echo "whatever" > /dev/null [07:49] sh: /dev/null: Permission denied [07:49] sh-3.00# [07:49] and i'm root [07:49] heh, have fun. lfs is for crazy people as it is. [07:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:50] hehe,, yea i guess so [07:50] check google, or lfs documentation. quite frankly, that's very odd [07:50] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [07:50] ok it works now :P thanx guys [07:50] i did also recompile my kernel with devfs support,, but that didnt help,, [07:51] /dev/null has proper permissions and has a proper major/minor number [07:51] is there a way to encrypt a harddisk contents, without loss of performance or accesibility/problems to secure the data on a webserver in case there might be broken in.. [07:52] jordan21 : uhmm, think logically about what you just said [07:52] jordan21 : if the data is encrypted, in order to access it - you need to decrypt it. when somebody breaks in, they'll be able to decrypt it too. [07:52] could be that it was possible with some decrypt module loaders. like zend [07:53] rayen (~gamer@c529cabae.cable.wanadoo.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [07:53] yeah youve got a point, completly missed the line [07:53] not to mention that all encryption causes performance loss [07:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:56] jordan21: you can try tools that let you encrypt files [07:56] matt_ (~matt@matts-desktop.faceparty.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:59] hmm well mount $LFS -o remount,exec,dev,rw ..did the trick [08:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:00] Writing user file... [08:00] Writing channel file... [08:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [08:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:05] triablo (1000@host-81-191-63-252.bluecom.no) joined #linuxhelp. [08:05] hi [08:05] where can i find the file libgnomevfs-2.so.0? [08:08] locate it [08:08] updatedb && locate libgnomevfs-2.so [08:09] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) joined #linuxhelp. [08:09] souza10 (~souza10@201.1.54.76) left irc: Client Quit [08:09] dnb (~admin@62.248.16.32) joined #linuxhelp. [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:10] hi how can i search 3 words in one line for a file ? [08:10] Lumax: the problem is it's missing, i mean where can i DOWNLOAD it..? [08:11] triablo ahh [08:11] anyone using mondo rescue here?? [08:11] i need it for Beep Media Player [08:11] triablo, what distro? [08:11] ?intitle:index.of? libgnomevfs-2.so in google [08:11] hoarycripple: slackware 10 [08:11] triablo, look in packages specific to your distro [08:12] and as Lumax said [08:12] hoarycripple: i did, cant find anything [08:12] http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.sot.com/lba-linux_r1/lba-linux_r1/Install/live/lib/ [08:13] packages is gnome-vfs-* [08:13] it's on that site [08:13] mperry (~mperry@m206-45.dsl.tsoft.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:14] only the file not the pack,, [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:15] so where shoould i put it then? [08:15] regeya (~shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:17] triablo google [08:17] probely in /lib or /usr/lib [08:17] but dunno i dont use gnome [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:20] neither do i [08:20] i just need it for the "beep media player" tringy [08:20] gtk2 [08:23] triablo use google or dl the source and install it [08:24] i cant find libORBitCosNaming-2.so.0 woth google either [08:24] agney (~bofh@agney.user) left irc: "users have names only because humans are too stupid to remember numbers." [08:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:25] CarlK (~ck2@c-24-13-54-45.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:25] Sith_Tux (~Sith_Tux@alr-bw-3563d.adsl.wanadoo.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [08:25] hello everyone [08:26] how can I verify that m identd is doing what it should? [08:26] hi, i installes suse 9.2 on both my laptop and homepc, but now i want them to shares files together. can anyone help? [08:27] Sith_Tux - it is 2 problems [08:27] 1: how do you make a linux box a file server [08:27] 2: how do you connect a linux box to a file server [08:27] set up samba, its easy [08:28] nfs is the unix way, smb is the windows way - both will work [08:28] well i already set samba and i can connect with widows to my home pc but not with linux to my home pc [08:28] hedgehair (~hedgehair@user-0c6sdm3.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:29] riley (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [08:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:30] i can't even ping my home pc from my laptop and viceversa in linux [08:30] thats a problem [08:30] I'm trying to get a raid card driver working. When I insmod the driver (default 2.4.27 kernel) I get many errors like: /lib/modules.../i2o_block.o: unresolved symbol i2o_remove_handler_Rd295b9db" Anyone know what's going wrong? [08:30] 2 or 3 boxes? [08:30] ... on debian btw [08:31] riley: unresolved symbols usually means u dont have somethin compiled in that this module needs [08:31] anyone familiar with convert, as in imagemagick? I don't understand why there's both a -size and a -resize parameter? [08:32] Inv_arp ah, thanks [08:32] laptop is dual boot [08:32] irvken (~sean@82-32-102-164.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:33] rmcc (~rmcc@205.172.49.57) left irc: [08:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:36] triablo [08:36] you are googling wrong [08:36] in google search freald use : ?intitle:index.of? "nameof thing to find" [08:37] Sith_Tux - are you using a dhcp server for everything? [08:37] yes on my router [08:37] so linux on laptop gets an IP and can surf? [08:37] but when i boot in windows i can connect to my linux box with samba and ping [08:38] Cheradenine (~26m@212.55.36.72) joined #linuxhelp. [08:38] yes [08:38] triablo like ?intitle:index.of? libORBitCosNaming-2 [08:38] but when i boot into linux i can internet,but not ping my home pc [08:38] huh [08:38] the ip is in the same range and everything [08:38] can you ping the router? [08:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:40] and triablo always use www.google.com/linux when looking fro linux stuff [08:40] yes i can [08:40] i'm on my laptop niw in linux [08:40] wacky [08:40] sonderblade_ (~sonderbla@c-675be353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [08:41] so you can ping the router, but no the win box, and all are on the same subnet [08:42] how do I figure out what port an app is listening on? [08:43] eKo1 (~bernd@63.245.57.70) joined #linuxhelp. [08:43] Cheradenine (~26m@212.55.36.72) left irc: " HydraIRC rocks! -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [08:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:45] rmcc (~rmcc@205.172.49.57) joined #linuxhelp. [08:47] CarlK netstat [08:47] i have an internal class B network and inside this i have a d-link router with its own class C network. I want the machines on these two networks to see each other. [08:47] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [08:48] i added a route on my gateway machine on the class B network to route packets destined to the class C network to the d-link [08:48] the d-link won't do that [08:48] eKo1 - define "see each other" [08:48] CarlK: i can ping the machines [08:48] eKo1 get a real router [08:48] zip: yes it can because i'm doing it right now [08:48] at least, from this d-link [08:49] eKo1 not from the b to the c network [08:49] not from the other d-link [08:49] and that is what I am talking about [08:49] remove whatever is blocking the view ;) [08:49] you can ping from the c to the b through nat [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/157 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/157 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:50] zip: well yes, adding a route is like doing a one-to-one nat right? [08:50] if i do a traceroute an ip on the C network, it stops at the ip of the d-link [08:50] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [08:50] eKo1 problem is, that d-link won't route packets from the wan interface to the local network [08:51] you can get a linksys wrt54g and load openwrt on it, telnet to it, and setup the route table correctly [08:51] the d-link web interface won't allow that though [08:51] jordan21 (~blaak@ip3e836166.speed.planet.nl) left #linuxhelp. [08:51] zip: but it was working yesterday [08:52] i just don't get it [08:52] nat rewrites each packet with the IP of the wan interface on the d-link [08:52] DieRatte (~Reilly@p54852A23.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:53] and _knows_ on a established related packet to return it to original class c source ip [08:53] feross (~feross@techdept.boca.prosolutionsinc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:53] hedgehair (~hedgehair@user-0c6sdm3.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:54] so most stuff works great, when on the class c, however the b network cannot access the c network, you can however use nat to forward certain ports to certain ip:ports on the c network, from the wan interface address [08:54] well, i had it working yesterday on a linksys but it was replaced with a d-link [08:54] Mathman (~Mathman@138.23.180.130) left irc: "Leaving" [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/159 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/159 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:55] put the linksys back :b [08:55] i was thinking of using the dmz feature on the d-link to make at least one of the computers visible but that didn't work [08:55] it should [08:55] what ports do you need access to [08:55] I mean, you have 64K of them [08:56] 5060 and 7000-9000 [08:56] if you need 192.168.1.33:80, point DLINKWAPIP:81 to it [08:56] the problem is, i may have multiple devices using those ports [08:56] eKo1 SIP, ha [08:56] yes, there are some sip phones behind that router [08:56] eKo1 are those sip phones hard phones or software phones? [08:57] actually they are sip atas [08:57] if they are software phones, just use IAX phone [08:57] yeah, i would love to use iax [08:57] IAX works through nat [08:57] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:57] eKo1 what I did, however I had a linux router, is use IPIP tunnels [08:57] I wrote a howto on voip-info.org [08:58] I will get it, one sec [08:58] beagle (~beagle@roc-66-66-107-100.rochester.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:58] http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+SIP+NAT+solutions [08:58] problem is, i have a lot of people behind each with their own router and it becomes tedious and error prone to make tunnels [08:58] go under header IP Tunneling Solution [08:59] eKo1 you don't have a network well designed for SIP [08:59] nickthorley (~chatzilla@host-212-158-245-3.bulldogdsl.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.3/20040910]" [08:59] tell me about it [08:59] it's a fucking mess [08:59] eKo1 best thing you can do, seriously [08:59] if you are using ata186 or something of the like, buy digium IAXy's [09:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] basically an ata186 that uses IAX [09:00] IAX2 rather [09:00] i have an iaxy, it works great [09:00] I'm attempting to load Knoppix onto an older Dell. The error I get is "isolinux: Loading spec packet failed, attempting to wing it... \n isolinux: Failed to locate CD-ROM device; boot failed." PhoenixBIOS 4, R6.0, scsi hard disk. Haven't had much luck with finding anything on google thus far. Does anyone know what could be wrong/how to fix it? [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] newbien_ (~c@dyn-host-206.113.40.115.stowetel.com) left irc: "leaving" [09:01] another suggestion I have is to setup an IPSEC VPN with your asterisk box on it, and have each of those little routers with a SIP device behind them connect to that VPN [09:01] then it would work [09:01] toot (chris@212.20.250.187) joined #linuxhelp. [09:01] anyone tell me how to get mailp not to print attachments? [09:02] toot read the manpage? [09:02] zip: well, it's just this one person that is having problems. I have other similar setups and they work fine. [09:02] zip: particularly, i have a sip phone behind a d-link with no nat, port forwarding, etc. and it works like a charm [09:03] do you have a huge network or something, why so many routers? [09:03] seems to me a huge network would use another brand router [09:03] freebsd comes to mind... [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/158 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/158 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:05] well, it isn't that big but it is already a hassle to manage [09:05] zip :) well and good but i can't see anything about attachments in the man page?? [09:05] I mean, if you are using these routers to provide wifi access, get access points, not routers [09:05] CarlK, sorry was away [09:05] toot don't know then, I don't recall using mailp, seems solaris?? [09:05] tis but ported as part of mp package [09:06] Tcl error in script for 'timer2100833': [09:06] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [09:06] zip: the router is connected to the ap [09:06] soundmartial (~Snak@cs679166-27.austin.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:06] WaSaBi_X (~wasabi@dsl-128-236.aei.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [09:06] eKo1, ever though of having 1 network [09:07] 2 networks, 1 private 1 public? [09:07] zip: yes i have, but the problem is, ips on the class B network are static will on the C networks they are dynamic [09:07] not 1 public and every joe in the office with his own cheap ass router [09:07] eKo1 setup a dhcp server on the B network [09:07] zip: i would but people here are worried about security [09:08] how does that show insecurity? [09:08] well, anybody could plug in, get an ip and start abusing [09:08] if they want to be behind nat, get 1 NAT router, and have them all connect to that [09:08] class C [09:09] eKo1 anyone could plug into a network w/o dhcp just as easy [09:09] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [09:09] zip: not really because all static ips are managed [09:09] helloofatime (~louis@66.244.192.226) joined #linuxhelp. [09:09] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:10] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [09:10] i installed suse 9.2 on both my laptop and homepc, but now i want them to shares files together. can anyone help? [09:10] toolafial (~heath@ip24-253-109-71.lv.lv.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:10] network mounts maybe? [09:11] Sith_Tux: unison [09:11] wegi? [09:11] eKo1 sounds to me you don't want to fix it, I give up [09:11] Sith_Tux - np, i am comming and going too [09:11] that way you have them on the laptop if you are not at home [09:11] spike (~spike@spike.user) left irc: "gotta go, train in 30 minutes" [09:12] Sith_Tux bittorrent, nfs, smb, apache [09:12] ftp, scp++++ [09:12] zip: BitTorrent? [09:12] samba [09:12] DieRatte oh yea, great for such a thing, NAT friendly [09:12] Sith_Tux: maybe you should tell us a bit more ehich files to share [09:12] zip: well, changing things at this point is a nightmare [09:12] DieRatte just post your .torrent to a tracker and you can get it from anywhere [09:12] zip: wouldnt that be a bit overkill. Why not use NFS? [09:13] DieRatte scp would be best [09:13] NFS over the net? [09:13] zip: depends I'd say [09:13] I thought it was LAN only [09:13] or is he talking about within his network? [09:13] if lan only, NFS for sure [09:13] ep (~ep@ip68-97-124-161.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: "I'll be on my way." [09:13] riley (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [09:13] sftp,scp over the net [09:13] helloofatime (~louis@66.244.192.226) left irc: Client Quit [09:13] well my laptop is dualboot and my home pc is linux. i can share files with my laptop in windows and my home pc using samba but not both linux machies [09:13] stdout (~stdout@BSN-95-241-160.dsl.siol.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:13] hello [09:13] Sith_Tux sftp,scp works on both [09:14] Sith_Tux - can you ping yet? [09:14] louish (~louis@66.244.192.226) joined #linuxhelp. [09:14] Sith_Tux: why can't you use samba on both linux boxes? [09:14] Sith_Tux, if samba is already configured on your laptop use it for your Linux home pc too [09:14] wel i can't even ping them when i boot in linux [09:14] Fucked up network settings then [09:14] when i boot into windows in can ping my linux home pc, but not when i boot into linux [09:14] untill you figure out why you can't ping, I wouldn't bother with anything else [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:15] well that's the prblem :-( [09:15] Mathman (~Mathman@138.23.180.130) joined #linuxhelp. [09:15] so, how's your setup? IP address, netmask and so on [09:15] Cwiiis[uni] (~cil103@fawley.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:16] both i correct [09:16] Sith_Tux layer 1, then 2, then 3 :) [09:16] Mathman (~Mathman@138.23.180.130) left irc: Client Quit [09:16] network, addressing, distro, NAT? [09:17] Mathman (~Mathman@138.23.180.130) joined #linuxhelp. [09:17] well i can get on the internet when i boot into linux [09:18] bageets (~sundee@c-24-23-201-228.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:18] you have a firewall on either of the boxes? [09:18] apparently if you ask a 2nd question before the first is answered, it overflows a buffer and the whole thing resets [09:18] soundmartial (~Snak@cs679166-27.austin.rr.com) left irc: "Snak 4.9.7 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com" [09:18] hehe [09:19] i turned off the firewall on both [09:19] Sith_Tux, what does it say when you ping? do the packets disappear? or is the network unreachable? [09:19] 3 is 2 too many.... [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:20] they get lost [09:20] ha [09:20] bad routes or iptable problems [09:20] Parazit4Life (~bla@83.103.171.215) joined #linuxhelp. [09:20] Sith_Tux paste the output of traceroute google.com [09:20] will help me understand your network a lot more [09:21] or ifconfig, or route [09:21] or how can i install a kernel from CD ? .... [09:21] something [09:21] Sith_Tux - paste here: http://paste.phpfi.com [09:21] dtb (~dave@c210-49-83-42.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [09:21] triablo (1000@host-81-191-63-252.bluecom.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:22] Action: zip wants someone to add to the IRC protocol a pastebin, then I will make a client [09:22] what for, just use a website [09:22] have to open a browser [09:22] hey hey - i have a dump of network traffic in a file ./netdump half the file is ascii, half is a binary sequence.. what editor should i use to remove the asckii fromthe file, leavign the binary behind so i can open it in gqview (binary data is http post image) [09:23] what if I am not in X [09:23] well this is the output:traceroute to xs4all.nl (194.109.21.4), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets [09:23] 1 192.168.2.1 3.422 ms 3.265 ms 3.751 ms [09:23] 2 * * * [09:23] 3 * * * [09:23] rconnect (~rconnect@adsl-sul02-2-84.vianw.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [09:23] zip: then dcc transfer the output [09:23] becuase if i use esome editors it seems to mangle the CR/LF's and other special characters [09:23] .2.? [09:23] What is the command to start a process in the background? so each time I disconnect from the shell the process does not stop? [09:23] nohup [09:23] dtb tried vim? [09:23] yes it mucks iwth CR/LF [09:24] rconnect, nohup and & [09:24] rconnect - screen [09:24] nohup command & [09:24] screen is nice [09:24] thanks [09:24] dtb sed? [09:24] muonix (~muonix@cp726445-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:25] sed ... hmm [09:25] google lol [09:25] lol: http://www.specialissues.com/lol/ [09:25] lol [09:25] google sed how to delete lines [09:25] sed how to delete lines: http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/unix/sed.html [09:26] muonix (~muonix@cp726445-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) left irc: Client Quit [09:26] muonix (~muonix@cp726445-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [09:26] dtb something like: s/.//g maybe [09:26] sed -e '1,4d' file [09:26] will delete lines 1 to 4 of file [09:27] Parazit4Life (~bla@83.103.171.215) left #linuxhelp. [09:27] dtb sure would be nice is file ascii/bin was split by a line :) [09:28] Sith_Tux (~Sith_Tux@alr-bw-3563d.adsl.wanadoo.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [09:28] first half is ... thats all i need [09:29] vi will show me 'line number', i jsut cant write the file after modifying it [09:29] so i open vi on ascii/bin and find line numbers to delete, then run sed on that... and i get the leftover bin [09:29] i'll try and see how i go [09:29] riley (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [09:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:30] muonix (~muonix@cp726445-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:30] dtb combination of grep and wc -l would have counted ascii lines also [09:31] ok [09:33] Anyone know where the nforce2 ide chipset driver is ? i cant seem to find one in 2.6.8 ... I seem to remember it being there [09:33] wahooo it wokrked [09:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:35] ooo it worked agian when i did it with vi... must have deleted one two many lines the first time round. [09:35] nforce2 [09:35] hmm [09:35] go 2.6.10 [09:35] riley I know the nic driver is forcedeth [09:36] i had a lot of problems with 2.6.8 - in that it wouldn't show me my ide drivers during configurations ... [09:36] it's BLK_DEV_AMD74XX ... i cant believe i missed that. Didnt think to look for amd. thx dtb and zip [09:36] I have a lot of problems with nvidia in 2.6.10... [09:36] DieRatte on sound you just need to change the Makefile [09:37] no graphics [09:37] EXTRA_CFLAGS += -DREMAP_NEW line 54 [09:37] got the nvidia module compiled after some work. And the module is working but X is very slow. [09:38] I gave up after that. [09:39] nv will always work :) [09:39] nv? [09:39] ha, not well though [09:39] in xorg.conf [09:39] xf86config [09:39] whatever you got [09:39] yeah, but I can use the nvidia module with X. Its just slow [09:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:40] slow as in no hardware acceleration. No OpenGl [09:44] franl (~Francis@dsl092-094-002.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:46] Inv_arp (junya@adsl-8-230-104.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:46] I've had fits with my nvidia chipset [09:46] dreese9859 (dreese9859@185-155.175-24.elmore.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:47] After a few kernel compiles it finally works ok [09:47] nvidia video card? [09:47] well, I have an nvidia vid card in one machine [09:47] but my other system has the nforce2 chipset on the mb [09:48] grem_work (~coltf@boron.csnet.montana.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:48] the video card gave me less fits than the mb [09:48] Can't stand nvidia anymore. The damn nvidia installer gave me a SEGFAULT after upgrading the kernel [09:49] ew [09:49] I'm using an ATI card with my nvidia MB [09:49] nemox (nemox@host-157-34.vitnett.no) joined #linuxhelp. [09:49] heyas all [09:49] hows the support for Linux ATI drivers? [09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:50] dreese9859 (dreese9859@185-155.175-24.elmore.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:50] Since my ATI card is older I had to use the OpenSource drivers (drm etc.) [09:50] grepper (~robert@HSE-Toronto-ppp186341.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [09:50] it works ok for 3d - I can play tuxracer and tuxkart [09:50] haven't tried anyother 3d programs though [09:51] try out the doom 3 demo [09:51] im just wondering where i can get some help/info about how to connect to internet trough a winxp comp.. my linux comp needs to connect trough the win comp becouse i can only have 1 ip-adress on my broadband [09:52] so i got 2x network cards in my win comp [09:52] proxy or ip masquerading appzs [09:52] I used sygate [09:52] where do i find that? [09:53] sygate.com [09:53] www.sygate.com [09:53] ok..ty [09:54] can i also share files and printers with win comp and vice versa? [09:54] windows does it all by itself. but me, I'd be more comfortable putting the linux machine in the middle. [09:54] Windows XP does that? [09:54] sure [09:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:55] I still run 98. If I run windows at all. [09:55] yuck [09:55] nemox: samba does that [09:55] Mathman, I need Windows to play subspace [09:56] ok, but 98 is just garbage. [09:56] yeah, i need windows to play quake 3 arena [09:56] ok..so i need samba installed on linux comp.. do i need anything on win comp? [09:56] nope [09:56] use sftp [09:56] sftp is easier to set up than samba [09:56] Mathman, course its garbage. I'll drop it the day there is a subspace port for linux [09:56] more secure [09:56] like a whole world easier [09:56] bageets (~sundee@c-24-23-201-228.client.comcast.net) left irc: "KVIrc" [09:57] you only need to setup samba if you have 15-20 people accessing the share, if it is just you going from comp to comp, use sftp [09:57] if they are running winblows, i don't think they care much for security [09:57] not to mention scp, which you will probably use over sftp [09:57] grem_work (~coltf@boron.csnet.montana.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [09:58] i only see firewalls at www.sygate.com [09:58] hmm...almost noon. time to move my network [09:58] riley (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) left irc: "BitchX: the headache medicine" [09:58] nemox, the personal firewall does forwarding [09:58] nemox wtf? [09:58] iptables [09:58] But if WinXP does that you probably wont need it [09:58] riley (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:59] zip: Win XP :-) [09:59] DieRatte freebsd or linux [09:59] zip: huh? [09:59] ha [09:59] he should install it [10:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:00] hm? [10:00] he has Linux but WinXP as router [10:00] or wants to use XP as one [10:00] or gateway [10:00] lesshaste (~lesshaste@lesshaste.plus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:01] nemox, maybe you are in the wrong channel if you want help to setup XP as gateway... [10:01] no..no probs with winxp [10:01] would agree [10:01] w/ DieRatte [10:01] was asking how i should set up linux for it [10:02] duh ok :-) [10:02] nemox is XP a dhcp server? [10:02] d1223m (~dunk@81-86-233-72.dsl.pipex.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:02] on the private interface [10:02] << n00b.. i got a permanente ip adress no auto dhcp if thats u mean [10:03] He means the LAN part. Is XP acting as DHCP for your LAN? [10:03] or has your lan static IP's? [10:04] spike__ (~spike@217.201.2.14) joined #linuxhelp. [10:04] well i guess so.. i had xp on the linux comp before... and it was no ststic ip..comp got it automatic [10:04] blaylock (~sfv100@24-49-51-43.chvlva.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:04] I gotta go eat lunch, bbiab [10:04] win comp has static ip [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:05] Nick change: spike__ -> spike [10:05] Cwiiis[uni] (~cil103@fawley.ecs.soton.ac.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:06] Did you set the IP of the XP as gateway for the Linux pc? [10:07] well i havent tried yet..hehe im installing suse atm.. [10:07] hope it works out:) [10:08] guess i should set linux to atomatic get dhcp.. [10:09] bradman (~nothin@c-67-174-255-88.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:09] bradman (~nothin@c-67-174-255-88.client.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:09] brb [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:10] DreamDog (skulldoggi@a84-230-1-128.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "sl33p" [10:11] riley (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [10:12] Norky_ (~dan@byzantium.force9.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:13] IR6723 (~ircap751@200.82.46.174) joined #linuxhelp. [10:13] hi there... [10:13] i need some help.. [10:14] with what? [10:14] me too [10:14] With SlackWare installer.. [10:14] what's wrong IR6723 [10:14] you need to be more specific [10:14] we don't know what's wrong with the installation [10:14] I mean... I've been installing that SO... then, it says that I have a bad block in my HD... [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:15] I wanna use the e2fsck [10:15] but.. i don't know wich is the root Unit.. i Mean.. i Windows is C:.. but for linux i don't know it.. [10:15] OS [10:15] (operative System) [10:16] well did you made [10:16] any partitions for linux ? [10:16] Beelzebub (killa@ool-43578eb7.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:16] yes.. i made 2 of them.. one for the swap, and the other for the another files... [10:16] apt sql? [10:16] IR6723, made so you know the names /dev/* [10:16] /dev/hd* [10:17] so.. u mean that i must put e2fsck -p /dev? [10:17] no [10:17] so..? [10:17] look you made the partitions so you know the partition names [10:18] That's the problem... [10:18] I forget them.. [10:18] am [10:18] take [10:18] a look [10:18] with [10:18] fdisk [10:19] or cfdisk [10:19] I just recentrly did it.. but... when i put that name... it says that there is no such file or directory while tryigin to open that... [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:20] it doesn't describe a valid ext2... [10:20] rogk (~rogk@dsl-hkigw10p78.dial.inet.fi) left irc: "leaving" [10:20] coz it isn't formated [10:20] can't you format the partition to reiserfs ? [10:21] I formated them... with ext2... [10:21] but... i think that's the lilo.. [10:21] can it be? [10:21] Maybe it's an old version... [10:21] lilo what ? [10:21] spike (~spike@217.201.2.14) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:21] damn lemons [10:21] hehe lemons ? [10:21] I don't know what version of lilo is it... it comes with SlackWare 10.0 [10:22] spike (~spike@spike.user) joined #linuxhelp. [10:22] IR6723, i realy don't understand you [10:22] what's the problem [10:22] u're talking about some bad blocks then about lilo.. [10:22] anyone happen to know the name of kde's archiving tool? the one that handles rpm files? [10:23] google kde rpm [10:23] kde rpm: http://dot.kde.org/1000016315/1000064800/1000074411/1000075531/ [10:23] doh [10:23] Let xplain it better... [10:23] my machine doesn't boot... [10:23] hey Mathman ! [10:23] Mathman: howdy? [10:23] It says that has a problem.. [10:23] hey spike. what's happening [10:23] IR6723, but you installed slack ? [10:24] yes i did... [10:24] ok.. [10:24] and the error message is ? [10:24] Mathman: grps sux, just that [10:24] There was a problem with the boot, u must run the e2fsck [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:25] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: "leaving" [10:25] IR6723, so mount the partition [10:25] and fsck it [10:25] how? [10:26] use the slack installation disk [10:26] how i mount the partition? [10:26] it prompts you a console [10:26] eKo1 (~bernd@63.245.57.70) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] I tried to ReConfigure my system.. with the installation disk... [10:26] But it didn't work... [10:27] then i tried to open the fdisk [10:28] but it says that the number of cylinder for this disk is set to 1094, but this is larger than 1024... and coul in certain setups cause problems with lilo [10:28] Eklipz (~Eklipz@h000f66402bf7.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:28] What can i do? [10:28] is there anyone here that could help me with a few hardware questions? [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:30] Eklipz: we won't know if we can help until you ask :] [10:33] Nick change: IR6723 -> gothicv [10:33] Well, I just finished building a second machine for myself to use as a server... the only problem is, it wont boot. when I go to power it up, the CPU fan starts for about half a second, then dies. Then if I go to power it on again, nothing happens at all. [10:33] I tried taking the motherboard out of the case and only hooking up the CPU, ram, video card, and hard drive, and the same thing happens. [10:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:36] i dunno :] [10:36] Eklipz: check the powersupply [10:36] first [10:37] Action: feross looks into his glass ball to find a solution [10:38] the lilo message is just a warning newer versions of LILO don't have the 1024 cylinder limit [10:38] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit [10:38] mperry (~mperry@m206-45.dsl.tsoft.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:38] Is there an easy way to test the power supply, other than putting it into another machine? [10:39] use a multimeter [10:39] other than that I don't know [10:39] Alright, I can do that... Ill have to run to radioshack to pick one up though [10:39] just a cheap one should do [10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:40] Other than that, if the PSU is good and working, what else should I check? [10:40] well, the next thing is the motherboard [10:40] but about all you can do with that is take it back and exchange it for another one [10:40] I got the motherboard from newegg about a month ago and had this problem and sent it back thinking it was defective, because I was told by several people it was probably fried [10:40] I just got a replacement today [10:41] And its still doing the exact same thing [10:41] hmmm [10:41] So I think the problem lies elsewhere [10:41] Could it be a CPU problem? [10:41] could be, what CPU is it? [10:41] Intel Pentium 4 2.26Ghz [10:41] did you install the heat sink correctly (using thermal paste) [10:42] Yes I did [10:42] Eklipz: there's an easy way to tell if the psu's very dead [10:42] Yeah? [10:42] Does it involve electrocuting myself? [10:42] heh [10:43] Eklipz: jump the green wire and any one of the ground (black) wires, and it should turn on on its own. doesn't need to be plugged into the mobo. if it doesn't, something's wrong with it. [10:43] Eklipz: nah :) [10:43] Can anyone help me understand what this netfilter log entry means? Jan 13 18:39:08 polaris kernel: FIREWALL: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:0c:6e:97:d3:92:00:06:25:96:f6:e8:08:00 SRC=64.154.80.250 DST=10.0.0.42 LEN=41 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=245 ID=23310 PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=34114 WINDOW=7032 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0 [10:43] Alright [10:43] Well, thanks guys. Ill go try some of this out. Thanks again for all the help. [10:44] Eklipz (~Eklipz@h000f66402bf7.ne.client2.attbi.com) left irc: [10:44] well back to work ... [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:47] Sith_Tux (~Sith_Tux@alr-bw-3563d.adsl.wanadoo.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [10:47] any recommendations on a howto on bundling two WAN connections to a LAN? [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:50] spike (~spike@spike.user) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] spike_ (~spike@217.201.2.14) joined #linuxhelp. [10:50] madaucer (~MaDaucer@dna17-3.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [10:51] Cwiiis[uni] (~cil103@brand.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:52] cross (1101@ip-99-169.varnapage.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:52] thnx to everyone [10:53] SuperSimkin (~Simkin@d207-216-46-216.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:53] SuperSimkin (~Simkin@d207-216-46-216.bchsia.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:54] gothicv (~ircap751@200.82.46.174) left #linuxhelp. [10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:55] feross (~feross@techdept.boca.prosolutionsinc.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:55] bboni (~gibboni@169.232.148.66) joined #linuxhelp. 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[11:05] type: echo "exec kde-session" > ~/.xinitrc [11:05] nmatrix9 (nmatrix9@user-0c8htdg.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:05] not kde-session... startkde [11:05] I'm trying to install it in another pc [11:05] amrit kde-session will start it on login [11:06] startkde starts it now [11:06] I think he is trying to say he is ssh'd in and wants to run KDE on windows? [11:06] zip: are you sure? i've never even seen kde-session. [11:06] er.. really.. [11:06] amrit positive [11:07] ok. [11:07] No.. i dont want to run kde on windows... [11:07] I wanna run kde on linux... I have it installed in another pc... [11:07] Sith_Tux (~Sith_Tux@alr-bw-3563d.adsl.wanadoo.nl) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [11:07] zip, it doesn't work that command.. [11:08] gothicv you have to logout, then log back in [11:08] why? [11:08] then, type startx [11:08] you put in your X startup file to start kde [11:09] Nick change: _SiegeX -> SiegeX [11:09] so when you startx, it will startkde [11:09] if you put exec fluxbox in there it would start fluxbox [11:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:10] APunker (1000@CBL217-132-94-8.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: "BitchX: the un-Cola" [11:10] what command must i put in the X startup file.. ? [11:11] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:12] omfg, type startx at the prompt [11:12] what does it do [11:13] daniel_ (daniel@daniel.user) joined #linuxhelp. [11:13] it opens an kde installer [11:13] mperry (~mperry@m206-45.dsl.tsoft.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:15] is that not what you wanted? [11:15] yes.. but i need, to make it the default boot.. when i turn on my PC that runs automatically Kde.. [11:16] use kdm, xdm, or gdm [11:16] spike_ (~spike@217.201.2.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] what distro do you have? [11:16] SlackWare 10.0 [11:16] intrr (intrr@time.instinctive.de) joined #linuxhelp. [11:17] can I recommend mandrake or something, fc3 [11:17] hello. can anyone here recommend a (free) CMS that doesn't use PHP and has a number of design templates, etc., ready to go? [11:17] thnx zip... u have too much pacience for me.. ^^ I apreciate it... [11:19] gothicv (~ircap751@200.82.46.174) left #linuxhelp. [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:20] intrr I am sure you can find one of sf.net [11:21] Nick change: nmatrix9 -> nmatrix-laptop [11:22] Be9 (~thomasdk@cpe.atm2-0-51162.0x50c7dc6a.hrnxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:27] zip: well, i found zillions there, but i don't really have time to try each one myself ;) [11:29] daniel (daniel@daniel.user) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:31] rconnect (~rconnect@adsl-sul02-2-84.vianw.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [11:31] sin18 (~sinner@h144209.louisiana.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [11:32] Lumax (~Lumax@213.161.182.253) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [11:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:45] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [11:45] NICK IN USE: Trying '\dev\bot0' [11:45] (irc.freenode.net claims to be niven.freenode.net; updating server list) [11:45] Identifying : NickServ (as \dev\bot0) [11:45] \dev\bot0 joined #linuxhelp. [11:45] heyas again.. [11:45] Flood from @services.! Placing on ignore! [11:45] hi all ! [11:46] is there someone that can help me with a network problem with a simple switch [11:46] ? ;) [11:46] maybe [11:47] browsing internet trough win comp was no prob.. but when i try to browse "windows network" it says unable to find any workgroups [11:47] win comp is "mshome" [11:48] intrr: well i have a switch, a ethernet modem and 2 pc's with only one eth on each [11:48] i want to put them three on the same switch and be able to NAT / route stuff [11:48] is it possible ? [11:49] i heard about IP alias or something like that but still dont know how to make this [11:49] You know, you can tell its going to be a bad day when you wake up to mail from your ISP, telling you you're 80% from your monthly bandwidth cap - and it's only the 13th... Either a) You suck, b) Your ISP sucks, or c) You're being slashdotted. :) [11:49] In this case, my ISP's MRTG skills suck. :) [11:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:51] intrr: do u see what i mean ? [11:52] FabParma (~chatzilla@host118-126.pool80180.interbusiness.it) joined #linuxhelp. [11:52] kpoman: normal switches can't do NAT [11:52] Gartt_ (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:52] queuetue, clearly you suck by choosing an capped rate :) [11:53] I have a stupid question [11:53] dont keep it to yourself :) [11:54] Suppose I have a SUID binary [11:54] Jango, are there uncapped boxes out there for a hundred bucks a month? :) [11:54] Jango, If so, I'll take 3. :) [11:54] depends what bandwidth [11:54] could I then modify it to grant a root shell? [11:54] my isp is uncapped [11:54] but i only have 512/128 [11:54] \dev\bot (R00T@devbot.bot.amrit.user) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:54] Switching back to nick \dev\bot [11:54] Nick change: \dev\bot0 -> \dev\bot [11:54] Regained nickname '\dev\bot'. [11:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/164 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/164 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:55] DieRatte: sure, if you have write access to it [11:55] Jango, I mean my co-loc ISP. [11:55] hh [11:55] ahh* [11:55] yea, fair enough... [11:55] intrr: is there any possibility on faking MAC or whatever ? [11:55] what cap is yours set to? [11:55] but I would have to compile the execv function and then echo it into it [11:56] No longer ignoring *!*@services. (expired) [11:56] mhh [11:56] intrr: do something on the linux machine so it handles all incoming data and sends to the local net ? [11:56] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-152-119.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: "ZzZ" [11:57] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [11:57] kpoman: yes, that's called NAT. I suggest looking for a NAT-howto on tldp.org [11:57] muletool (muletool@209.42.150.178) joined #linuxhelp. [11:58] LiquidAtoR (~webmaster@84-104-144-12.cable.quicknet.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [11:58] gooidevening all [11:58] Sith_Tux (~Sith_Tux@alr-bw-3563d.adsl.wanadoo.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [11:58] *goodevening :) [11:58] hello people [11:59] I have a problem with fedora which is running on my remote server [11:59] Disk hda1 (/) DMA+ is at 100 %, is there anything I can do about it [11:59] apart from rm -rf / [12:00] Tcl error in script for 'timer2107200': [12:00] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [12:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/167 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/167 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:00] Writing user file... [12:00] Writing channel file... [12:00] i can't ping between my two linux machines, what could be wrong? [12:00] Sith_Tux, have you checked ifconfig [12:00] Jango, 1000GB [12:00] intrr: i dont know what to say [12:00] you must get a fair usage on that box :O [12:00] Gartt (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [12:01] intrr: i dont know what to do :'( [12:01] yep, both are connected to the internet right now [12:02] can you ping yourself [12:02] j3g (~j3g@200.130.8.1) joined #linuxhelp. [12:02] anyone here uses arpwatch? can it work with postfix? i am running it just fine, but no emails coming :( [12:02] Jango, Actually, we only use abut 2 gig a month. Which is shy it was so hard to believe. It's a text-heavy site ( http://www.rsvpair.com , if anyone wants to check out some planes and visit a few sponsors. :) ) [12:02] are you firewalling icmp [12:02] yes, i can also ping the router [12:02] is there a route set? [12:02] the funny thing is, when i boot into windows i can ping the home linux pc but when i boot into linux i can't [12:03] go you get cash for showing goooooogle ads? [12:03] _matt (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:0:0:0:55) joined #linuxhelp. [12:03] or just for click-throughs? [12:03] Jango, Click-throughs. [12:03] :/ [12:03] i never click google ads [12:03] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: "leaving" [12:03] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [12:03] I'm glad to say that many people do. :) [12:04] there, i dunno how much you get a click, but that'll be x.n times [12:04] oops [12:04] where n == 5 [12:04] Heh. :) [12:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:05] i was writing documentation earlier, and i realised i was writing in programmer talk [12:05] jango any sollutions? [12:05] Sith_Tux, routing table? firewall? [12:05] sometimes you block incoming icmp [12:06] Jango: i disabbled firewall on both systems [12:06] az_ (~az@195.177.250.10) joined #linuxhelp. [12:06] tcpdump is your friend [12:06] brb [12:06] Sith_Tux, Can the router ping back (does it have an interface with diagnostics?) Can the linux boxes ssh to each other? [12:07] no it does not [12:07] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [12:07] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [12:07] zomtec (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [12:08] and the boxes can't ssh [12:08] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-131-82.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:09] Then your router, aint. :) [12:09] UdontKnow (udontknow@udontknow.staff.freenode) left irc: Connection timed out [12:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/170 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/170 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:10] nmatrix-laptop (nmatrix9@user-0c8htdg.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:10] so any suggestions [12:11] feross (~feross@techdept.boca.prosolutionsinc.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:12] hm.. is it possible to rename a file in foo/bar ? [12:12] stdout, What do you mean? [12:13] stdout, mv renames files ... [12:13] to rename a file in something including the '/' [12:13] Jango: any suggestions? [12:13] stdout, mv foo/bar foo/xyz or mv foo/bar xyz/baz ? [12:14] jup [12:14] i guess it's impossibld [12:14] impossible [12:14] three_11 (~three_11@69-163-15-87.kntnny.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:14] im trying to mount a loop device and its telling me - mount: you must specify the filesystem type [12:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:15] i did mount -o loop blah.b9in dir [12:15] stdout, explain what you are tyring to do, I'm pretty sure it's possible. :) [12:15] brandonp (~brandon@h210.117.40.162.ip.alltel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:15] three_11, moutn -o loop -t fstype file [12:15] s/moutn/mount/ [12:16] queuetue, let's say you have a file named foobar ... and you would like to set the new filename as foo/bar [12:16] queuetue: do you have any suggestions? [12:16] this is impossible right ? [12:16] stdout : uhmm, that would be a bad idea. don't use forward slashes in filenames [12:17] fstype ? [12:17] ananke, in fact is a bad bad idea.. but i'm checking for a bug in a C makro [12:17] queuetue, like reiserfs ? [12:17] beagle (~beagle@roc-66-66-107-100.rochester.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:18] three_11, right [12:19] hmm [12:19] kpoman (~kpoman@82.67.177.110) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:19] kpoman (~kpoman@82.67.177.110) joined #linuxhelp. [12:19] mount -o loop -t msdos filebin /dir [12:19] whats wrong with that [12:19] mount -o loop -t msdos file.bin /dir [12:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/171 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/171 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:20] az_ (~az@195.177.250.10) left #linuxhelp. [12:20] nemox (nemox@host-157-34.vitnett.no) left irc: "—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515" [12:21] Lethorion (~kithe@h115n2fls302o291.telia.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:21] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-131-82.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: "ZzZ" [12:21] Emil_Zeuthen (~emil@cpe.atm2-0-10837.0x50c766b2.bynxx14.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "As an adolescent I aspired to lasting fame, I craved factual certainty, and I thirsted for a meaningful vision of human life [12:21] three_11, it an msdos-formated file? [12:22] yes [12:22] cassiopea (~cassiopea@c2-99-1.pel.dial.mweb.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [12:22] queuetue, msdos or vfat? [12:22] hi ya'll, anyone if there is a good guide around to set up a gaming vpn? [12:22] ill try vfat [12:22] negative [12:22] Lethorion: use open VPN or freeswan [12:22] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, [12:23] three_11, how did you create this file? [12:23] toolafial; it works out-of-the-box ? [12:23] queuetue, i didnt [12:23] Sith_Tux (~Sith_Tux@alr-bw-3563d.adsl.wanadoo.nl) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [12:23] no, to get out-of-the-box would be expensive [12:23] its a windows app in bn format [12:23] bin [12:23] Is there a way to resize a reiserfs partition without automatically losing all the data on the partition? [12:23] toolafial; hehe okay, just checking thanks mate [12:23] freeswan would be better as it is ipsec [12:23] no problem [12:23] queuetue, know of any linux apps to extract a bin file? [12:24] three_11, a bin/cue file, you mean? [12:24] yes [12:24] three_11, a) that's NOT msdos-formatted. It's a messed-up version of iso9660. and b) I think you need to convert it to an ISO. [12:24] o [12:24] ok [12:24] :) [12:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/168 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/168 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:25] Codename_V (~V@66-215-219-191.riv-eres.charterpipeline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:26] j3g (~j3g@200.130.8.1) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] ~/qut [12:27] intrr (intrr@time.instinctive.de) left irc: "bleh" [12:27] ah ha [12:27] Action: three_11 hugs .iso [12:27] queuetue, thanks [12:28] three_11, NP. [12:29] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-131-82.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/166 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/166 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:32] kpoman (~kpoman@82.67.177.110) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/165 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/165 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:38] blipper (~opera@host213-122-97-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:38] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: Connection timed out [12:39] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-131-82.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: "ZzZ" [12:39] LiquidAtoR (~webmaster@84-104-144-12.cable.quicknet.nl) left irc: "mIRC Power Pack 7.10 (www.mIRCPowerPack.com) by sod/sgt-d (sgt-d@sodpit.com)" [12:39] _matt (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:0:0:0:55) left irc: "Leaving" [12:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:40] feross (~feross@techdept.boca.prosolutionsinc.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [12:40] FabParma (~chatzilla@host118-126.pool80180.interbusiness.it) left irc: Client Quit [12:42] hodapp (~daniel@cpe-069-133-116-139.woh.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:43] could I ask another security related question? [12:43] i can't find any manpage for exec.. what does it do? [12:43] DieRatte, go on [12:43] nope. you're over your daily limit. wait until tommorow [12:43] DieRatte, don't ask to ask [12:43] felixdz (~tony@c3eea6412.cable.wanadoo.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [12:43] stdout : it executes [12:43] ananke, haha :D [12:43] ananke, thought [12:44] Tcl error in script for 'timer2108947': [12:44] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [12:44] ananke, but if i tryed to exec a program it kills the console [12:44] Has anybody here got a lexmark x83 printer scanner working? [12:44] Nick change: hodapp -> chodapp [12:44] usb printer scanner [12:44] kyncani (~kyncani@lns-vlq-25-ren-82-254-131-82.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:44] DieRatte, i'm very courius about your question :)) [12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:45] I have a excutable here, which is writeable by me. It belongs to another user. Suppose I replace the content of that file with code that will spawn a shell, will I get the privileges of that user? [12:45] DieRatte : nope. [12:45] stdout: http://www.awprofessional.com/content/images/0131411543/samplechapter/rochkindch05.pdf [12:45] ananke, why? [12:45] has a good explanation of what exec does [12:46] DieRatte, coz you aren't the owner [12:46] toolafial, thank you [12:46] DieRatte : just because it's owned by somebody else, doesn't mean it will give you their uid [12:46] I'm trying to set up proftpd but I can't figure out what to do as far as usernames and permissions and such . . . the server is running okay, I just can't seem to log in, as anonymous or anything. [12:46] suppose I do a setuid() ? [12:47] DieRatte : try it. it won't work [12:47] in the code ? [12:47] yes [12:47] DieRatte, keep in mind the behavior is undefined using setuid() as a non root user [12:47] or does the file needs to have its setuid flag set [12:47] in any case it won't set the uid.. [12:47] Tusnal (Tusnal@83.82.223.82.arsystel.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:47] DieRatte, right [12:48] regeya (~shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:48] thats a pity [12:48] DieRatte : it's a good thing [tm] [12:48] thought I found a way [12:48] why ? [12:49] found a way to do what? become a wannabe hax0r? [12:49] _blue (~superman@adsl-68-94-58-225.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:49] DieRatte, wich is ? [12:49] ah [12:49] ananke, well, actually, yes [12:49] misunderstood the sentence [12:49] ananke, help, I'm on my friend's Mandrake box and it's all weird and I can't remember how to allow an FTP login.... [12:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:50] DieRatte, you can't gain root if the program you are trying to exploit isn't set to the root uid [12:50] DieRatte : get a better hobby [12:50] stdout, I see now [12:50] ananke, why? [12:50] ananke, i disagree with you [12:50] because your current one is silly [12:50] stdout : go ahead. watch me care [12:50] ananke, eh :D [12:51] chodapp : check /etc/ftpusers, see if that users is listed there [12:51] DieRatte, start coding first [12:51] stdout, I can and do [12:51] so do it ;) [12:52] ufo (~ufo@lepelaar.demon.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] I do [12:52] just not now [12:52] seeking for bug's in the way you do is just lame ;) [12:53] keni0 (~sundee@c-24-23-201-228.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:53] and the thing is, there are no bugs. [12:53] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) joined #linuxhelp. [12:53] there are always bugs.. [12:53] stdout : not in the way he's doing it [12:53] ananke, agree [12:54] it's a basic unix security model. you don't get other user's uid just because you can execute a file that person owns, with setuid() function [12:54] Pkunk (tsvatr@mbbs.munnabhai.info) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:54] i think hacking is coding [12:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/162 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/162 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:55] the users are all in ftpusers, aside from 'anonymous' because I thought it set up its own account for that . . . [12:55] and unitl you don't master this you cant seek for bugs [12:55] yes, I remeber now. I got excited. I spent the last hour looking through files on that computer. [12:55] When I thought I had a way I got carried away [12:55] the problem is that right now I killed proftpd and restarted and I can't ftp in now.... [12:55] it says no server is available to handle the request.... [12:56] chodapp : sounds like the server is not running [12:56] chodapp : and ftpusers is a file where users who CANNOT login are listed [12:56] ..........or I never set up ports right because I copied another config over.... [12:57] i cant seem to get Firefox to resolv an external ip address, but in the xterm i can dig and nslookup addresses.. anything special in firefox i need to configure? same with my konqueror [12:57] KanFu| (KanFu@p3EE1D6AF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:57] are your nameservers in your resolve file? [12:57] keni0 : nope, they all should be using /etc/nsswitch.conf [12:58] yes, its in the resolve file [12:58] riley (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:58] riley (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:59] the /etc/nswitch.conf does have files,dns [12:59] for hosts lookup that is [12:59] then in theory, it should be working [13:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/163 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/163 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:00] Writing user file... [13:00] Writing channel file... [13:00] anything with ipv6 perhaps? [13:00] ananke, ah, I got login working... but where is 'pub' going? I thought it usually went to /home/ftp on the server.... [13:00] felixdz (~tony@c3eea6412.cable.wanadoo.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [13:00] Pkunk (tsvatr@mbbs.munnabhai.info) joined #linuxhelp. [13:00] chodapp : check proftpd.conf [13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [13:01] Be9 (~thomasdk@cpe.atm2-0-51162.0x50c7dc6a.hrnxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: [13:01] ananke, I did, I can't see anything there... when I configured it on another box awhile back I just remember having no damn clue where it was getting the files to be shared and eventually it was /home/ftp... but now I can't tell... [13:03] keni0 (~sundee@c-24-23-201-228.client.comcast.net) left irc: "KVIrc" [13:03] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|afk [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/161 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/161 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:05] bradman (~nothin@c-67-174-255-88.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:07] im wondering if i have to recompile my kernel or if a can find a patch or something... im running suse9.1 and getting the following error message when trying to build rivatv: "in order to build rivatv you need a set of kernel headers properly configured for the kernel you intend to use rivatv with" [13:08] is there a way to configure the kernel headers, or is this going to be painful and difficult for a n00b? [13:08] you should learn to compile a kernel anyhow eventually, it's not hard. [13:08] zip (~zip@adsl-66-136-35-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left #linuxhelp. [13:09] is that what i have to do to fix this error message? [13:09] probably not. [13:09] Jango (~Jango@pgnn.demon.co.uk) left irc: "Client exiting" [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:10] i intend to learn all the other stuff once i get my system running smoothly... [13:10] bradman: I believe on SUSE the kernel headers are part of a seperate packages [13:10] just find that package on your install medium and install it [13:11] the kernel headers usually live in /usr/src/linux [13:11] so i would look for them in yast or in usr/src/linux [13:11] you also may have to install the kernel sources package [13:12] _blue (~superman@adsl-68-94-58-225.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left #linuxhelp. [13:12] look for kernel headers or kernel source in the package install utility (YaST) [13:12] then install that package [13:12] zip (~zip@adsl-66-136-35-17.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:13] once the kernel headers/source is installed you should be able to get that rivatv package to compile [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/160 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/160 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:15] Cwiiis[uni] (~cil103@brand.ecs.soton.ac.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:16] muletool (muletool@209.42.150.178) left irc: [13:16] KanFu (KanFu@p3EE1D606.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:16] Nick change: KanFu| -> KanFu [13:16] dtb (~dave@c210-49-83-42.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [13:16] hrmmm i couldnt find it in any of the packages [13:16] i did find kernel-smp tho [13:17] brandonp (~brandon@h210.117.40.162.ip.alltel.net) left #linuxhelp. [13:17] bBBb (~bbb@dhcp065-025-140-139.columbus.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:18] brb [13:18] ANYONE, the only thing I can see via ftp is 'pub', where is proftpd getting the files it is sharing? The manual won't tell me anything.... [13:18] bradman (~nothin@c-67-174-255-88.client.comcast.net) left irc: [13:19] chodapp look at proftpd.conf [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:20] zip, it doesn't say anything, I tried to tell it to use /home/ftp as default root but that makes no difference. Last time I set it up it used /home/ftp by default, but it's ignoring that now, and I can't find a damn thing anywhere about what directories it is serving [13:20] chodapp are you sure what conf file it is using? [13:21] zip, YES, I have been editing this file for awhile and it's the same file that I edited to finally allow logins. [13:23] how can i sed +adfsdf" and +asdasd" to only " character ? [13:23] mdp (~mdp@pool-129-44-242-56.buff.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:24] ? [13:24] hello [13:24] can someone help me with locale [13:24] dnb give me a sec to look it up, gotta finish an email [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/156 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/156 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:26] dreese9859 (dreese9859@185-155.175-24.elmore.rr.com) left #linuxhelp. [13:26] does anyone know how to get rid of the funny characters in links and alsamixer [13:26] set a different TERM [13:26] echo $TERM [13:26] what is it now? [13:26] vt100 :) [13:26] ha [13:27] nothing [13:28] my $TERM is linux [13:28] s/+[^>]*\"/"/g [13:28] i did :o [13:29] should I change it to something else [13:29] chodapp (~daniel@cpe-069-133-116-139.woh.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:29] chodapp (~daniel@cpe-069-133-116-139.woh.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [13:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:30] chodapp (~daniel@cpe-069-133-116-139.woh.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:30] chodapp (~daniel@cpe-069-133-116-139.woh.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:31] chodapp (~daniel@cpe-069-133-116-139.woh.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:31] chodapp (~daniel@cpe-069-133-116-139.woh.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:32] alsa shows up correctly in xterm in Xwindow and not in bash [13:32] Motoko (~Motoko@qwest-cc-ip196.scinternet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:32] hello [13:32] hello Motoko [13:33] I want to buy an enclosure for an external HDD [13:33] I was wondering what a good model to buy is that'll be compatable with Linux [13:34] chodapp (~daniel@cpe-069-133-116-139.woh.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:35] any recommendations? [13:35] franl (~Francis@dsl092-094-002.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember ..." [13:35] anything that is usb1/2 will use the usb_storage module [13:35] cool [13:36] in most cases you just plug it in and it'll work [13:36] Nick change: mako-sam1 -> mako-sama [13:36] thanks [13:36] with a newbie distro, you prolly get a desktop link [13:37] otherwise modprobe usb-storage && mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash [13:37] zip: it depends [13:37] ? [13:37] it doesn't have to be sda1 ;) [13:37] hence the prolly [13:37] spike (~spike@spike.user) joined #linuxhelp. [13:38] also wrong w/ kernel 2.6.xx (usb_storage not usb-storage) [13:38] or you may have usb_storage Y not M [13:38] so yea, there are 100 maybe's [13:38] re [13:38] with 2.6.x and udev, you don't have have to bother with modules [13:39] Motoko (~Motoko@qwest-cc-ip196.scinternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:39] udev/hotplug automagicaly detects the device and installs the proper modules ;/ [13:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:40] cartel_ (~cartel@219.88.251.61) joined #linuxhelp. [13:40] hi all [13:40] can anyone suggest a good way for me to replicate an lvm volume across network to another host? [13:41] dd replication or file replaction? [13:41] s/repla/repli/ [13:41] well i would like both copies to be the same so maybe yes dd [13:42] don't know w/ dd, you could easily do it with rsync though, at a file level [13:42] im trying to set up a high availability mail server [13:42] ah [13:43] rsync is my fallback option ;) [13:43] you are working at the wrong level [13:43] the mail server and dns should handle as you are wishing [13:43] no [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:48] Pkunk (tsvatr@mbbs.munnabhai.info) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:48] Pkunk (tsvatr@mbbs.munnabhai.info) joined #linuxhelp. [13:50] Tcl error in script for 'timer2110296': [13:50] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [13:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/155 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/155 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:51] cartel_ (~cartel@219.88.251.61) left #linuxhelp. [13:52] Nick change: Gartt_ -> Gartt [13:53] where are setterm settings saved? [13:54] three_11 (~three_11@69-163-15-87.kntnny.adelphia.net) left irc: "Get away from me biatch" [13:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:57] zomtec (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] ][ET-S][Bigdaddy (BdO@217-162-149-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined #linuxhelp. [13:58] bash question--> $1 and $2 are great to refer to 1st and 2nd args but what if you have a VARIABLE number of args? How capture all of them in a for loop without knowing the count? [13:58] <][ET-S][Bigdaddy> Hi [13:58] seberino you could to shift [13:58] <][ET-S][Bigdaddy> i have some problems with my vsftpd in coop with anonymus-login: the anonymus doesen't see the [13:58] <][ET-S][Bigdaddy> files what i've uploaded with other users [13:59] mdp: shift? [13:59] yes [13:59] mdp: i see shift in bash man page...i'll read it. thanks [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:00] you could shift the arguments and count them at the same time [14:00] chase (~chase@82.133.100.235) left irc: "iduniken.com" [14:00] mo699898 (~mo699898@c66.168.24.174.mad.wi.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] do you know how many arguements you are looking for [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:01] seemawn (~zomtec@p508102F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [14:02] ][ET-S][Bigdaddy (BdO@217-162-149-136.dclient.hispeed.ch) left #linuxhelp. [14:04] sin18 (~sinner@h144209.louisiana.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:05] seberino did that help [14:06] slashdot (~vidarlo@slashdot.user) left irc: "bedtime" [14:08] cap (~cap@h246-63-238-213.mesh.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:08] trying to make install rt2400 (which is hopefully correct driver for wirell PCI LAN adapter, Zonet ZEW1600) [14:08] but get error: p: cannot create regular file `/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ra0': No such file or directory make: *** [install] Error 1 [14:09] OS = Slackware 10.0 [14:09] cap, just mkdir /etc/sysconfig && mkdir /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts [14:09] or, go into the makefile and remove the line trying to create that file [14:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:10] will that be ok for slackware system? [14:10] beagle (~beagle@roc-66-66-107-100.rochester.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:10] aedigital (~aedigital@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:10] which method do you think will yield most favorable result? [14:10] rh uses those scripts to start network devices, I don't know why it would be in a makefile, other then some dumb hw company wanting to work w/ as3 or something [14:10] cap just make the directories, then delete them when you don't need them [14:10] well, rest may have completed ok. [14:12] probably did [14:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:16] I did as you said, created the directories, and it put 'alias ra0 rt2400' in /etc/modules.conf so I tried insmod rt2400 but get error: [14:17] /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/drivers/net/rt2400.o: init_module: No such device [14:17] so I assume I've download and installed wrong driver? [14:17] abecer (dreese9859@185-155.175-24.elmore.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:18] device is Zonet ZEW1600 [14:18] wireless PCI NIC [14:19] lspci reveals: 00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink: Unknown device 0201 (rev 01) [14:19] I'm awash here.... :( [14:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:22] xephadoo (~hgh@h0030bd1c2d0c.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:22] louish (~louis@66.244.192.226) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] scristian (~cristian@pc13.vimaro-ge.suceava.rdsnet.ro) left irc: "init 0" [14:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:25] mdp: i made a note to read up on shift but haven't tried it yet. [14:25] WaSaBi_X (~wasabi@dsl-128-236.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:25] abecer (dreese9859@185-155.175-24.elmore.rr.com) left #linuxhelp. [14:27] how do i set my dhcp client to not rename my host name? [14:27] toolafial (~heath@ip24-253-109-71.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [14:27] war- (war@oper.us) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:27] Roey (~Roey@h-69-3-4-130.mclnva23.covad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:27] hi [14:28] does linux free() give sbrk()'d memory back to the system while the program is running? [14:29] Tusnal (Tusnal@83.82.223.82.arsystel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [14:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:32] riley_ (~riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:34] Tcl error in script for 'timer2112315': [14:34] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [14:34] matt_ (~matt@3ffe:4005:1024:1212:40ad:d945:fce2:9881) joined #linuxhelp. [14:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:35] jayd (~jdjs@pool-141-157-192-120.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:35] do I have to close an application while updating it ? [14:36] pragma_ (pragma@24-205-107-109.rno-cres.charterpipeline.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:37] not necessarily [14:37] the old version will generally remain running [14:37] it's generally best to, however. [14:37] pragma_ (pragma@24-205-107-109.rno-cres.charterpipeline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:37] jayd you aren't specific to gentoo are you? [14:38] how do i set my dhcp client to not rename my host name? [14:38] xephadoo dhclient? [14:38] Nick change: Roey -> WorkRoey [14:38] zip no, im on debian [14:39] i dunno, someone told me i needed to set my dhcp client to not automatically set my hostname [14:39] so definitely u haven't [14:39] cus im trying to set it to my domain [14:39] jayd debian won't overwrite the old program until it has down the other [14:39] apt anyhow [14:39] xephadoo: man dhclient [14:39] you will be fine updating it, and restarting it [14:39] hey bougyman [14:39] every time i try to run apf i get the hostname unknown option [14:39] xephadoo look at /etc/dhclient.conf [14:39] hey WorkRoey, is it u? [14:39] i mean hostname:unknown host [14:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:40] ok thx [14:40] zip it keeps the updated files in a temporary location until the application is restarted? [14:41] jayd no [14:41] it downloads the .deb file, then updates [14:41] if you were worried about the time it took to get the download [14:41] war- (war@oper.us) joined #linuxhelp. [14:41] anyone know how or if it's possible to use a SpeadStream ss1022 USB wireless NIC? [14:41] jayd it really shouldn't be a problem, just upgrade it, stop it, and start it [14:42] cap, looked on google for that chipset, if it is meant to be a client device? [14:42] or more specifically, where to get driver software? [14:42] sup spike [14:42] I've found nothing for the model number, SS1022 [14:43] But don't know what chipset is supposed to be inside it. [14:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:50] NICK IN USE: Trying '\dev\bot0' [14:50] (irc.freenode.net claims to be tolkien.freenode.net; updating server list) [14:50] Identifying : NickServ (as \dev\bot0) [14:50] \dev\bot0 joined #linuxhelp. [14:50] Flood from @services.! Placing on ignore! [14:50] no manual entries for fg :) [14:50] fg [14:50] sleeper_ (~sleeper@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2t-157.vnnyca.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:50] thanks [14:51] google man fg [14:51] man fg: http://covers.msnbc.com/data/ncb/game/g6_main_146.html [14:51] if you want :) [14:51] war- (war@oper.us) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] i appreciate it [14:51] Lethorion (~kithe@h115n2fls302o291.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] war- (war@oper.us) joined #linuxhelp. [14:52] SiegeX (1000@siegex.user) left irc: "changing servers" [14:52] interesting process is 28476 and i type fg 28476 and it says no job [14:52] my mistake [14:52] that's the fg not fg [14:52] in fact i don't think you can foreground something like that [14:52] what are you trying to do [14:53] lil_anthony: man screen [14:53] probably be best for you [14:53] yeah i know about screens [14:53] SiegeX (~SiegeX@adsl-67-122-204-69.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:53] war- (war@oper.us) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] but its al ost process [14:53] i just didn't want to terminate it [14:53] i ssh'd in and the remote system crashed [14:53] but the process is still running which is fine [14:53] ah [14:53] i just wante dto get some visual of it [14:54] i should have screened it but i didn't [14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:00] NICK IN USE: Trying '\dev\bot0' [15:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:00] NICK IN USE: Trying '\dev\bot1' [15:00] (irc.freenode.net claims to be benford.freenode.net; updating server list) [15:00] \dev\bot1 joined #linuxhelp. [15:00] \dev\bot (R00T@devbot.bot.amrit.user) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:00] Switching back to nick \dev\bot [15:00] Nick change: \dev\bot1 -> \dev\bot [15:00] Regained nickname '\dev\bot'. [15:00] if you wanted to rename all files with html to mpg in a path wouldn't it be something like this find . -type f -name \*.html -exec mv {} *.mpg ';' ? [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:01] No longer ignoring *!*@services. (expired) [15:02] not exactly, lil_anthony [15:02] you would have to do a little sed magic there... for that reason it's simpler to do it this way: [15:02] find . -type f -name "*.html" | while read FILE; do mv "$FILE" "${FILE/.html/.mpg}"; done [15:02] war- (war@oper.us) joined #linuxhelp. [15:03] the ${variable name/search for/replace with} is bash stuff [15:03] t0ffel (~username@216-228-112.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "client restart" [15:03] aww ok [15:04] gonna save that to a file thanks [15:04] t0ffel (~username@216-228-112.adsl.tele2.no) joined #linuxhelp. [15:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:06] i started apf, but when i do "ps -ef" i cannot see it running [15:07] does it run as something different? [15:08] DieRatte (~Reilly@p54852A23.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] xephadoo, nothing runs as "something different" [15:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:15] NICK IN USE: Trying '\dev\bot0' [15:15] (irc.freenode.net claims to be zelazny.freenode.net; updating server list) [15:15] Identifying : NickServ (as \dev\bot0) [15:15] \dev\bot0 joined #linuxhelp. [15:15] Flood from @services.! Placing on ignore! [15:18] u dont like iptables? [15:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:24] xephadoo (~hgh@h0030bd1c2d0c.ne.client2.attbi.com) left irc: [15:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:25] \dev\bot (R00T@c-67-169-157-22.client.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:25] Switching back to nick \dev\bot [15:25] Nick change: \dev\bot0 -> \dev\bot [15:25] Regained nickname '\dev\bot'. 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[15:31] Action: intrr uses pine [15:31] cap (~cap@h246-63-238-213.mesh.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:31] what I winder is where sylpheed saves attached files [15:31] no damn html mail, fast interface, fast in general, feature-rich, flexible. [15:33] How would I snag a url with tcpdump? [15:34] does anyone use elinks [15:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:00] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [16:00] Writing user file... [16:00] Writing channel file... [16:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... 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[17:15] Does that mean if I say no to /dev fs as it advises that I won't be able to access /dev/video0 any longer? [17:16] agney (~bofh@agney.user) left irc: "users have names only because humans are too stupid to remember numbers." [17:17] Doomgaze-MSU (~Doomgaze@cottonmouth.cse.msu.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [17:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:20] dwolf (~unknown@dwolf.user) joined #linuxhelp. [17:20] WaSaBi_X (~wasabi@dsl-131-238.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:22] Tcl error in script for 'timer2117216': [17:22] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [17:23] craig_ (~craig@hlfxns01bbg-142068111203.ns.aliant.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:32] mperry (~mperry@m206-45.dsl.tsoft.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:33] craig_ (~craig@hlfxns01bbg-142068111203.ns.aliant.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:33] Nick change: craig_ -> meta-ridley [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:37] Sembiance: 2.6 prefers udev to devfs. under udev you can still symlink /dev/video0 to whatever you want [17:37] Gartt_ (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:37] grepper (~robert@HSE-Toronto-ppp186140.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [17:39] nichos (~nichos@c-66-177-16-168.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:39] how can i tell mkisofs which files to use? I want to use mkisofs to make an iso of a cd (i dont want to use dd) [17:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:43] nichos, you list the files that need to be in it. how else? [17:43] nichos, it's much easier if you just put all the files in one directory, or tree. [17:43] sethk list all the files on a CD? [17:43] nichos, you said you wanted to make an ISO image. mkisofs creates an ISO image. [17:44] nichos, if, for some reason, you want to create and iso image of what is already on the cd, then just cd to the mount point and use "." (without the quotes, of course) [17:44] nichos, you said you didn't want to use dd, although I can't imagine why [17:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:45] sethk thats exactly what i want, and its working [17:45] sethk for some reason, dd would stop at 1.9 megs [17:45] maybe copy protected [17:45] nichos, or there is only 1.9 megs on the CD [17:46] nichos, lot's of cd's come these days (for drivers) with no more information than you could fit on a floppy [17:46] nichos, you can cd to the mount point and do: df -h . or df -k . [17:46] nichos, one shows how much space is used in kilobytes, the other in whatever unit seems reasonable. [17:47] nichos, or you can look at the size of the iso image when it finishes. [17:47] nichos, it's normal to get an error message from dd on a partially filled cd [17:48] Cirkit (~linux_pen@c-24-10-108-132.client.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:49] sethk what do you mean partially filled CD [17:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/154 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/154 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:50] nichos, less than the capacity which is about 700 meg, give or take a bit. [17:50] sethk its actually a game, that requires the CD, so i want to use alcohol after making an ISO to mount it [17:50] nichos, ok [17:51] the iso it made is 581, the disk is 600 [17:51] nichos, you can mount the iso image as a loopback. It will be a lot faster that way, which is I guess a side benefit. [17:51] think its ok? [17:51] nichos, very likely, yes. [17:51] cool [17:51] so why wouldnt dd work? [17:51] nichos, the only way to be sure is to compare, which is easy: [17:52] nichos, I don't know, possibly there is a slight alignment difference and a file read retries and dd gives up. [17:52] i even tried cat /dev/dvdrom image.iso [17:52] sat there, but never got past 1.9megs [17:52] copy protection? [17:52] nichos, use diff to compare the two trees (with -r), and you'll know that the ISO image is correct (you'll have to mount the iso image to do this) [17:53] nichos, possible, I suppose, although I've never run across it on CDs. It exists on DVDs. [17:53] yeah, this is juat a CD [17:53] nichos, besides, it wouldn't be effective, as you just demonstrated. [17:53] why do game companies make me go through this [17:53] lol [17:53] not w/irc, and man pages;) [17:53] nichos, you could do the same thing in windows, copy the files and make a new image. [17:53] although, alcohol in windows failed [17:53] Gartt (~brian@ip68-14-81-92.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:54] nichos, that I don't know anything about. [17:54] nichos, as long as all the files are correct, you don't really care. :) [17:54] exactly [17:54] sethk thanks for all the help! [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/153 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/153 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:55] nichos, NP. BRB [17:56] war- (war@oper.us) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:00] dwolf (~unknown@dwolf.user) left irc: "Leaving" [18:00] nichos (~nichos@c-66-177-16-168.se.client2.attbi.com) left irc: "If puns were deli meat, this would be the wurst." [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:03] _SiegeX (1000@adsl-67-122-204-69.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:03] Cheradenine (~26m@212.55.36.72) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!" [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:07] mperry (~mperry@m206-45.dsl.tsoft.com) left #linuxhelp. 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[18:31] http://www.supercheats.com/playstation2/walkthroughs/onimusha3demonsiege-walkthrough03.txt [18:32] bboni (~gibboni@169.232.148.66) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] ukbg: definitely wrong channel [18:33] ouroboros: first, you should tell cdrecord where is your cd burner [18:33] ukbg: you might want to try efnet ;) [18:33] Whew... I think Ijust found it, hopefully. [18:33] SiegeX (~SiegeX@adsl-67-122-204-69.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:41] Nick change: amrit|eat -> amrit [18:42] ouroboros: get it to work? [18:42] nichos (~nichos@c-66-177-16-168.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:42] Hi all - quick question then ill rtfm. I want to share files from my linux machine w/a mac. what should i be looking at? NFS, samba? [18:43] nichos: probably samba [18:43] JoePenguin thanks [18:43] nichos: I fully expect samba to work with a mac [18:43] probably, i just didnt know where to start [18:44] well, if it didn't then that would mean that it doesn't support windows file sharing, which I think is highly improbably. [18:44] no, i know it does [18:44] my mac at work integrates with my windows machine at work [18:44] Action: JoePenguin nods [18:44] thanks again [18:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:45] peace be with you [18:45] as with you;) [18:48] isnt there and smbd [18:48] yes, and nmbd [18:48] and = an [18:48] ouroboros (~joshua@h00b0d08470c0.ne.client2.attbi.com) left irc: "Kopete 0.8.0 : http://kopete.kde.org" [18:49] bigcoder (~bogcode@ip68-99-219-152.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:52] Kirsch (~adam@roc-66-66-12-34.rochester.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:53] [JaTe] (~jate@cust0287.vic01.dataco.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [18:53] <[JaTe]> Hi, is it possible to update from FC 1 to 3 easily without losing all my files/settings? 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[19:15] <_Brett> twunder: i think it did, but i dont know how to set it up [19:16] read the docs at the samba site, then. come back if you have more specific questions... [19:16] Cirkit (~linux_pen@c-24-10-108-132.client.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] your distro should have docs as well... [19:17] <_Brett> ok thanks [19:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:20] ryblo_f (~ryblo_f@70.214.39.225) joined #linuxhelp. [19:22] bhearsum (~bhearsum@65.168.184.109) joined #linuxhelp. [19:22] i was playing with grub trying to get it to dualboot windows, and i used a bunch of hide (hd0,x) commands on my partitions, and now all my extended partitions have disappeared. [19:22] i'm not sure how to get them back. [19:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:25] bhearsum: did you try to undo the changes you made? [19:25] youpi_ (~youpi@82.230.129.61) joined #linuxhelp. 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[19:35] hello, anyone know abything about the mepis distro? i am having problems at boot [19:36] _Brett (~chatzilla@dialup-4.152.78.218.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041217]" [19:36] how do i unhide partitions? [19:38] i think my problem may be attributed more to grub. when i boot, all goes well until the system tries to load the kernel. boot just hangs on a black screen [19:38] svrfrmfaith (~jrubenol@me091138.reshsg.uci.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [19:38] how do I move a directory in a terminal window? [19:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:41] Tusnal (Tusnal@83.82.223.82.arsystel.com) left irc: No route to host [19:42] mdp (~mdp@pool-129-44-242-56.buff.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:42] uriah (~uriah@0-1pool46-203.nas18.portland1.or.us.da.qwest.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [19:42] Narg (~narg@dsl-65-171-97-106.tcq.net) left #linuxhelp. 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[20:28] Tcl error in script for 'timer2121808': [20:28] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [20:29] ukbg (~fishingin@242838hfc49.tampabay.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [20:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/26 e/- I/-] [20:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:35] tovella (~ktraglin@pool-141-149-45-84.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:35] adrian1 (~adrian1@CPE-139-168-49-201.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [20:35] hey all [20:35] Action: JoePenguin yawns [20:35] i have 2 servers both linux, one local the other remote. I can ssh to the remote server fine [20:36] i want to setup some kind of vpn [20:36] can anyone help me out [20:36] i have done some reading, and they say ssh tunneling is the best way [20:37] that depends on your needs... do you need more than just host<--->host? [20:37] like network<----->network [20:37] JoePenguin, not really, at this point im just trying to mount the remote linux fs [20:37] ooh [20:38] JoePenguin, for example, i want /mnt/something to appear on my local machone [20:38] well not so much the local machine, the server [20:38] i see [20:38] I saw some cool browser-based eh, terminals you could run from a webserver and then I guess login to your PC from work or something [20:38] adrian1 : what kind of network connection is between those two machines? [20:38] Seven_Six_Two (~fathead@HSE-Toronto-ppp302655.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [20:38] 500KB/s [20:38] hiya [20:39] @ ananke [20:39] Seven_Six_Two: hi fathead :) [20:39] adrian1 : nfs in theory could do it, but probably nfs over tcp would be safer. of course, that doesn't solve your tunneling problem [20:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [20:40] ananke, network file system...what port does that run on, i would prefer if i could tunnel it all through ssh port 22 [20:41] adrian1 : it runs over multiple ports. ssh is ok for quick and dirty and simple things. not for anything as complicated as networked file systems [20:41] adrian1: nfs involves multiple ports, and some of them aren't always the same [20:41] adrian1: maybe you should do some reading about ipsec tunnels [20:41] i don't have much experience with that kind of thing [20:42] i would really like the quick and dirty way for the moment, through ssh, just because i dont have access to the remote filewall [20:42] port 22 is really all i have at the moment [20:42] is it possible to mount remote fs with smbmount or mount? [20:42] mmm... well i suppose if you want to go quick and dirty, you could tunnel the samba ports [20:43] 137:139 [20:43] adrian1 : uhmm, the only way to mount it is to use a networked file system, such as samba or nfs. so you'd need to run samba server [or nfs] [20:43] you can set it up so that when someone hits those ports on your local linux box, it actually goes to the remote machine [20:43] i have samba servers running on both machones [20:43] oh [20:43] regeya (~shane@dialup-4.159.59.249.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:43] if that helps [20:43] that would be a conflict then [20:44] JoePenguin, each linux server is used as a primary domain controller [20:44] DreamDog (skulldoggi@a84-230-1-128.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [20:44] ok, so samba has to run then [20:44] JoePenguin, im more familiar with samba then anything else i guess [20:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [20:45] sounds like you should read up and do it the proper [tm] way. set up vpn between those two boxes [20:45] so can we try that method? [20:45] ananke, well what is the proper way, alot of docs say use ssh to tunnel [20:45] jugga_ (~jugga@pD955F969.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:46] he said vpn [20:46] adrian1: googling for "tunneling nfs" turns up some interesting pages [20:47] ryblo_f (~ryblo_f@70.214.39.225) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [20:47] JoePenguin (debian@p4.zimage.com) left #linuxhelp ("Client exiting"). [20:47] blacksadness (~angel@194.146.153.147) joined #linuxhelp. [20:47] JoePenguin, so they are talking about running nfs and tunneling it to the server through ssh [20:48] sounds like you might want to google "vpn howto" [20:48] plenty of docs. [20:48] adrian1, VPN is by far the best method, if it is available. Tunneling is fine if VPN doesn't make sense. using ssh to tunnel is helpful for X servers, because the tunneling is built in. For tunneling to other servers, there is little difference between encryption methodologies [20:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [20:50] agney (~bofh@agney.user) left irc: "o sono eh grande" [20:50] adrian1, I should say among acceptable encryption technologies. Stick to one of the mature, established protocols. [20:50] adrian1, there is also tunneling support in the kernel, although by default it is not compiled in. Investigate that aspect also. [20:51] sethk, ok sounds like its quite involved [20:51] adrian1, not necessarily. [20:51] sethk, so you can have these ssh tunnels for samba, but thats not really a true vpn? [20:51] adrian1, no, it isn't VPN, but that doesn't mean it is bad. [20:52] sethk, whats the difference at the end of the day? [20:52] adrian1, Mostly that a VPN is much more flexible. [20:52] adrian1, with a VPN, you are essentially on the target network as if you were physically there. [20:52] sethk, so there is actually a service for linux called vpn? [20:53] adrian1, building a tunnel for NFS is fine, but all it provides is NFS. [20:53] adrian1, VPN is a general term; there are implementations available for linux. [20:53] adrian1, of course, you need matching client and server. [20:53] adrian1, so if the other end implements VPN using a Cisco router, you need a client compatible with cisco router VPN. [20:54] sethk, i use smoothwall at both ends [20:54] as firewalls [20:54] uhmm, smoothwall has some vpn functionality, last time i looked at it [20:54] adrian1, I haven't implemented VPN with smoothwall, so I don't know the details there. [20:54] which has a vpn option, but then it talks about thinbgs like left subnet and right subnet [20:54] i had trouble with that too [20:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [20:55] adrian1, left and right? That's somewhat bizarre. [20:55] adrian1, It probably makes sense once you know what they are talking about. [20:55] sethk, do u want to have a look at my smoothwall?> [20:55] its got a gui frontend [20:55] web interface [20:56] adrian1, sure, but I'll only be able to see what server options are available. You'll still need to hunt up a client that is compatible. [20:56] adrian1 : uhmm, you want a 'secure' connection between two servers, and you're willing to give access to random people on irc? wtf [20:56] adrian1, I know that with Cisco, there are quirks and it doesn't work well except with the Cisco client. [20:56] sethk, thats why i was going to use something more simple [20:56] ananke, I'm not random; all my molecules are contained within my body. :) [20:57] adrian1, something more simple may be perfectly acceptable. It depends on what you need to accomplish. [20:57] sethk : :) [20:57] adrian1, the nice thing about a VPN is that, once you've set it up, you can do anything. The pain of setting it up can be substantial, especially as documentation is often very poor. [21:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [21:00] Writing user file... [21:00] Writing channel file... [21:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [21:01] jugga (~jugga@pD955FCA0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:04] kaetzchen (~zuff@p508A771E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [21:05] windowsrefund (~windowsre@24-193-6-10.nyc.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:05] hello [21:05] how can I find the largest files in /home? [21:06] windowsrefund : man du [21:07] TheSimkin (~Simkin@d207-216-46-216.bchsia.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:07] I don't think that'll do it [21:07] yanger (1001@yanger.user) joined #linuxhelp. [21:08] windowsrefund, if you don't care about subdirectories, it is trivial. Do you care? [21:08] hi, under slack10, if i am installing jdk 1.5.x w/ netbeans, do i have to remove the old version of j2sdk 1.4.x? [21:08] yea, but I do but I wouldn't mind hearing it any way [21:09] Nosf3ratu (~zrizer@adsl-69-213-99-215.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:09] yanger, not if the paths have the correct level of indirection. [21:09] windowsrefund, ls --sort=size [21:09] sethk, e? [21:09] eh? [21:09] sethk, cool [21:09] blacksadness (~angel@194.146.153.147) left irc: "Leaving" [21:09] windowsrefund, I had to write a small program (I used Ruby) to sort a tree [21:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [21:10] yanger, things like JAVAHOME, etc. I'd have to check the list. The execution search path needs to find the new version of binaries also, so make sure the older .../bin directory is not in the execution search path [21:10] igor47 (~igor47@adsl-64-109-253-139.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:10] oh [21:10] windowsrefund, which isn't terribly difficult. [21:11] windowsrefund, let me bring it up; I'll tell you how many lines of code. [21:11] I don't do ruby anyway [21:11] ok thanks! [21:11] yanger (1001@yanger.user) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [21:12] windowsrefund, you don't have to "do" it, I could send it to you. It's 145 lines. You could do it just as easily in Python. [21:12] windowsrefund, ruby is an interesting language. It's worth checking out, even if you don't end up using it. [21:12] I'm sure it could be done with a few bash commands [21:13] windowsrefund, no, it can't. It can be done with zsh, but it is much much much easier to use a language that has the tools that you need. [21:14] does anyone know of some good ways to take advantage of 64-bit CPUs on Linux, like the Athlon64? I'm trying to figure out how much I'll actually benefit from it. [21:14] windowsrefund, if you are interested in languages, of course. [21:14] I'm sure it can be [21:14] _Daedric (~noneof@adslsapo-b5-214-183.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [21:14] Daedric (~noneof@82.154.214.183) left irc: "changing servers" [21:14] windowsrefund, OK, then bash away. Although why you would want to do an easy thing the hard way is somewhat mysterious [21:14] in fact, I bet it could be done with du and awk [21:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [21:15] 145 lines of code is not the easy way [21:15] just to find the largest files on a partition [21:15] chodapp, are u there [21:15] adrian1: yes. [21:15] windowsrefund, anyone who still uses awk needs to be sent to a language deprogramming center. :) [21:16] chodapp, try fedora core 64bit version [21:16] still uses awk? [21:16] that's a rediculous comment [21:16] it will take full advanatge of ur hardware [21:16] windowsrefund, still uses awk. Nobody continued to use awk as soon as better tools became available, and this was in the mid seventies. [21:16] lol [21:16] adrian1: I would rather avoid switching distributions... I compile a lot of things that have absolutely no official packages, and my experience with RedHat and things like that has been lots and lots of crap never compiling right, period. [21:16] well if you think your 145 line code is better than .... uh..... ok man [21:16] sure [21:17] chodapp, you could try a new kernel [21:17] some of us would rather work smarter than work harder [21:17] adrian1: that and the fact that it's been very slow, which isn't really 'taking advantage of my hardware'. [21:17] adrian1: I'll still be running on tons of 32-bit libraries... I'm just trying to figure out what needs to be done. [21:17] windowsrefund, when you grow up you'll understand. :) Check out any elementary text on software engineering. [21:17] chodapp, u have a 64bit kernel/ [21:18] windowsrefund, but if 145 lines of code scares you, then perhaps you shouldn't bother. [21:18] adrian1: no, because I don't have a 64-bit CPU yet. [21:18] ahahaha [21:18] chodapp, i thought u said you have the athon 64 [21:18] chodapp, ok, I'm confused, what kind of an answer can someone give to your question? [21:18] hey sethk [21:18] here's a better way [21:18] du -c | sort -n | tail [21:18] wow [21:18] windowsrefund, hey. seriously, code readability is significant, and awk is the absolute worst in that area. [21:18] sethk: perhaps, what sort of stuff needs to be done, because I'm a little in the dark on whether or not it's worth it and how much gain I'll get.... [21:18] I just replaced 145 lines of ruby code [21:18] damn [21:19] windowsrefund: ? [21:19] adrian1: I never said I had one, no. [21:19] adrian1: I am trying to find if it is worth it or not as I'm going to be building a system soon. [21:19] windowsrefund, OK, but you'll find that your solution is not a general one. You may not care, though. [21:19] 22 chararcters vs. 145 lines? [21:19] I'll take it [21:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [21:20] chodapp, there are plenty of apps been written to take advantage [21:20] woah [21:20] adrian1: would I be using these apps anyway? [21:20] my solution is not a general one? [21:21] youpi_ (~youpi@82.230.129.61) joined #linuxhelp. [21:21] so my expectation of finding du and sort on a unix box is more absurd than your expectation to find ruby installed? [21:21] geez [21:21] windowsrefund, no. There are cases where it wouldn't work. with links, for example. [21:21] windows: heh [21:21] now I've heard everything [21:21] hmmm, if my kernel is 64-bit, can I somewhat assume that it will be running in 64-bit mode and will run most of the stuff in 32-bit but still be able to run 64-bit stuff? [21:21] what is the name variable environnement for libdir? [21:21] sethk: but it will work 99% of the time [21:21] windowsrefund, I doubt it. Nobody has heard anything. Use it until you find out why you shouldn't. [21:22] ok [21:22] I'll use it [21:22] windowsrefund, I wouldn't say 99%, but certainly more often than not. [21:22] i wish i knew what you guys were arguing about [21:22] not an argument [21:22] just a different approach [21:23] meta-ridley, not arguing at all. I just suggested that, in general, things like python and ruby should be used and things like awk should not. I have no problem with short shell scripts. [21:23] you aren't guaranteed Python or Ruby on a lot of systems. [21:23] ah [21:23] but that's such a bogus statement [21:23] Python, probably, Ruby, unlikely. [21:23] pythons iffy [21:23] no not even python [21:23] perl is 100% unfortunately [21:23] perl [21:23] yea [21:23] tehmasp (~tehmasp@pcp09228600pcs.sanarb01.mi.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:24] i hate perl :P [21:24] I don't know perl [21:24] SuperSimkin (~Simkin@d207-216-46-216.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:24] windowsrefund, Personal insults are not allowed. [21:24] but I'd invest my time in it before ruby or python [21:24] how to add a variable environnement for libdir? [21:24] python seems to be getting more common [21:24] b_9 (~gcurtis@dhcp9579177.columbus.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:24] personal insults? [21:24] i do like python though [21:24] makes me happy as it tends to not resemble line noise [21:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [21:25] mo699898 (~mo699898@c66.168.24.174.mad.wi.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:25] I'll assume you were kidding [21:25] mop [21:25] #linuxhelp: mode change '+o sethk' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:25] windowsrefund kicked from #linuxhelp by sethk: sethk [21:25] ??? [21:25] windowsrefund (~windowsre@24-193-6-10.nyc.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:25] I kicked him, he'll autoreconnect. [21:25] wtf???? [21:25] Action: regeya missed something [21:25] personal insults? [21:25] who is this clown? [21:25] oh. [21:25] #linuxhelp: mode change '+b *!*windowsre@*.nyc.rr.com' by sethk!~seth@216-19-209-139.getnet.net [21:26] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [21:26] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [21:26] windowsrefund kicked from #linuxhelp by sethk: sethk [21:26] marinos (~noname@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #linuxhelp. [21:26] how could i list all files in $HOME that are > 256K? [21:27] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [21:27] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [21:27] #linuxhelp: mode change '-o sethk' by sethk!~seth@216-19-209-139.getnet.net [21:27] uh...was windowsrefund msg'ing someone before, or what? [21:27] not sure... [21:27] _Daedric (~noneof@adslsapo-b5-214-183.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [21:27] I think I'd be asking who the clown was if I got kicked out of the blue, too. [21:27] tehmasp, list them all and sort by size, dump it in the file, and remove all lines < 256K [21:28] regeya, It was hardly out of the blue. I told him to avoid personal insults. [21:28] regeya, I'll let him back in in a few minutes [21:28] what was the insult? [21:28] youpi_ (~youpi@82.230.129.61) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [21:28] um yeah you did. [21:28] i think i missed it [21:28] and when he said "I'll assume you were kidding" you said "mop" and kicked him. [21:28] her, it, whatever. [21:29] scrolling back, I'm a little puzzled. [21:29] just annoyed? [21:29] ah well. [21:29] regeya, no, I'm quite serious. You can argue any technical point you like, for as long as you like, but you can't insult the person you are arguing with. [21:29] sethk: what did he say to insult you though? [21:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [21:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/27 e/- I/-] [21:30] Action: regeya keeps scrolling back [21:30] meta-ridley, let me see if it is still in my buffer. [21:30] did he private message you? [21:30] Daedric (~noneof@82.154.214.183) joined #linuxhelp. [21:30] if I see an insult there, I have to say it's the tamest insult I've ever seen in this channel, sethk. [21:31] "that's a rediculous comment" [21:31] I'd be tempted to call you a clown, too, if you'd kicked me, seriously. [21:31] and similar nonsense [21:31] he insulted your comment, not you. [21:31] okay...I guess I'm satisfied. [21:31] no insulting sethk's comments. [21:31] Action: regeya goes back to doing something or other [21:32] chodapp, that's a matter of interpretation. It was clearly an ad hominum attack, which is, I admit, subtle, but the intent is clear. [21:32] sethk, how would i remove all lines < 256k? [21:32] again, probably one of the tamest insults I've seen in this channel. :-D Is this a sign of a cleaner, more mature #linuxhelp? [21:33] tehmasp, If it were just a single operation, I'd just use vi or some editor and delete from the beginning of the file to the last file < 256K [21:33] Clearly an ad hominem attack, but at the same time subtle? That's a little like saying it's both implicit and explicit. [21:33] I've gotten worse from chanops in this channel. [21:33] chodapp, I don't follow. [21:33] you said it's clearly an ad hominem attack, but also that it's subtle. [21:33] I agree with chodapp [21:34] sethk, yeah, thats what i would do, but its like 20,000 files recursive [21:34] regeya, I think I've kicked two people in the last six months. I usually don't. Perhaps I was a bit hasty. However, he then connected to me personally and hurled lot's of insults, so he can stay out for a day, or maybe a couple of hours. [21:34] "who is this clown" does not constitute "lot's (sic) of insults". [21:34] regeya, we clean the ban list frequently, unless someone does something completely bizarre. [21:34] irc is not a democracy i guess :) [21:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/27 e/- I/-] [21:35] well no, and it shouldn't be [21:35] regeya, I didn't say that it did. You're not reading. I said he connected to me, separately, and hurled insults. [21:35] well. [21:35] that's different. [21:35] sorry. [21:35] regeya, because I allow people to connect. I don't like that bit of friendliness to be abused. [21:36] okay...beginning to see the sun through the clouds. sorry, sethk. :-) [21:37] and then there's #linpeople, which used to be the calm, mature channel. you should see the idiocy there right now. [21:37] dang, who WAS that guy who always had ops here, used to kickban, hurl insults, etc. anything to make #linuxhelp seem more like #freebsd ;-) it's been 2-3 years I suppose [21:37] regeya, haven't checked. There are a lot of "ego" channels. I'm here a lot, and I doubt any of you have seen me kick anyone, because, really, I rarely do it. [21:38] linpeople is better [21:38] why would anyone want to come to linuxhelp ;) [21:38] regeya, I think I remember him. He let his personal problems spill over into the channel. [21:38] (sarcasm) [21:38] PR- (~xxx@10001240425.0000018854.acesso.oni.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [21:38] alright, who shat in my icebox? [21:38] sleeper_, I'm not sure, but it appears that you are here. :) [21:38] that's about the extent of what's going on in #Linpeople [21:38] regeya, Is "shat" a word? [21:38] how gotmail works? i installed it throug apt, but i can't find how to use it [21:38] yeah, but I am not on my real name [21:38] my real name is sleeper [21:38] sethk: past tense [21:38] without the '_' [21:39] linpeople? is that for people that use linspire? [21:39] underscore [21:39] i am in disguise [21:39] as in "I went to the bathroom this morning and shat a mighty shit" [21:39] regeya, well, I know what he means, I meant is it a real word, as in you'll find it in the dictionary. Which isn't important, I'm just curious. [21:39] not so common in American English anymore. [21:39] but yes, it's real. just past tense. [21:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/27 e/- I/-] [21:40] regeya, thanks, didn't know that. [21:40] I'm sorry I had to bring it up ;-) [21:40] can someone tell me what is different about linspire, compared to any other distro? What's it's reason for existing? [21:40] if I wanted to find out the sum of sizes of all the mozilla files.. is there an easy command to do that? [21:40] It's the former Lindows that I don't hera much about. [21:40] sethk: marketing from what i can see [21:40] i have so far... "du | grep mozilla " [21:40] oh look it installs in 7 minutes! [21:41] meta-ridley, ok, then it isn't supposed to make sense. :) [21:41] no not at all :) [21:41] sleeper_, you mean the mozilla binary executable? [21:41] it would be simple to hack up a script though to add up a column of numbers [21:41] the guy who created it came to my school a couple years ago [21:41] all files recursively in the /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/ [21:41] sethk, [21:41] and tried to sell it to everyone [21:42] i switched from bitchx to irssi the other day.. best decision i've ever made :) [21:42] sleeper_, du is "disk usage", that is, how much space something takes. You want a list of all files in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and its subdirectories? [21:42] meta-ridley, haven't used bitchx. What do you prefer about irssi? [21:43] PR- (~xxx@10001240425.0000018854.acesso.oni.pt) left irc: "Fui embora" [21:43] sethk, the sum total of all files and files in subdirectories [21:43] sethk, the size [21:43] sleeper_, du -sh . [21:43] sleeper_, or du -sh /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox, if dot is not /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox [21:43] EvolutionR (~konversat@218.111.192.154) joined #linuxhelp. [21:44] sethk, thanks man [21:44] sleeper_, the -s means summary, as in, just give me the total, not each file. [21:44] sleeper_, the h says print it in some reasonable unit rather than in kb. With -h you might see 256K, or 2.5 Meg, of 4 gig, etc. [21:44] I've downloaded the Cedega 4.2 tar.gz. Do I need to remove the WineX b4 installing the Cedega? [21:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/27 e/- I/-] [21:45] sethk, so du -sh in the current directoy will recursively transverse down and add all files in its subdirectories? [21:45] sleeper_, yes [21:45] thanks.. [21:45] gmarsh (hfsvyl@static-66-244-86-224.smithvilledsl.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:45] any german here who could translate a bit of text into english for me? [21:45] sleeper_, there are other ways, but that's the simplest. [21:46] sethk, I like simple things... no need to confuse my simple mind [21:46] great knocked back for another job [21:46] adrian1, what? [21:46] i keep getting short listed from at least 100 people, there were 2 of us left [21:46] and i didnt get it [21:47] sethk, networking [21:47] aww networking.. my reason for living [21:47] i am doing research for anonymous p2p using VCs [21:47] Rakkis:go to http://world.altavista.com/ [21:47] MetaCosm (~rmelton@MetaCosm.sustaining.supporter.pdpc) left irc: "Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" [21:47] anonymous p2p... just think of the possibilities [21:47] and then i was offerexd a job at visy, they are redoing the whole network australia wide [21:47] then they closed the position todat [21:48] I've downloaded the Cedega. Do I need to remove the WineX b4 installing the Cedega? [21:48] i guess it dosnt matter, even though im really reeally really really good looking [21:48] adrian1, frequently those aren't real positions. Sometimes they are already filled with a person on staff, but the company requires that the job be posted for some amount of time. [21:48] MetaCosm (~rmelton@dsl092-173-159.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:48] Rakkis: go to http://world.altavista.com/ [21:48] anyone know anything about JPL? [21:48] sethk, IT is so competitive, there is always someone better willing to work for less money [21:49] sleeper_, It depends on which JPL. I have people using my software at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. But I doubt that's what you mean. [21:49] adrian1, willing to work for less money I'll buy (if you'll excuse the expression), but not necessarily someone better. [21:49] adrian1, What's your primary area of interest? [21:49] sethk, what kind of software you develop? [21:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/150 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/150 b/27 e/- I/-] [21:50] sleeper_, embedded database engines, and security software. [21:50] sethk, mosly intergrating linux and windows to save money [21:50] also failsafe systems [21:50] small clusters [21:50] sethk, i lack basic (complex) fundementals such as dns [21:50] adrian1, you mean allow linux to act like windows? Run windows code? [21:51] adrian1, you can learn DNS easily in one day. [21:51] tehmasp (~tehmasp@pcp09228600pcs.sanarb01.mi.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [21:51] sethk, more so usintg samba to act as domain controller [21:51] adrian1, it only looks complex. [21:51] adrian1, that makes sense, most people don't know that they are paying for windows on the workstation. [21:51] sethk, I am applying to JPL in 2 months.. next school quarter =) You know if they any good? as in benefits and stuff? [21:51] sethk, so there are sbout 100 main dns servers around the world, which branch off into isps? [21:51] adrian1, samba is at least an order of magnitude more complex than DNS [21:51] EvolutionR (~konversat@218.111.192.154) left #linuxhelp ("Konversation terminated!"). [21:52] sethk, im familair with concepts such as drbd raid over lan [21:52] EvolutionR: thanks [21:52] adrian1, Basically it is a tree structure. But there are complications such as primary and secondary, propagating updates, cached information remaining after something is changed. [21:52] adrian1, that also is much more difficult than DNS. [21:53] sethk, dns seems to be a very large topic [21:53] adrian1, If you think you need DNS on your resume, join some open source project where DNS is important. Or build a server. [21:53] sethk, dns seems to be one of the fundementals that fits the whole mess together [21:54] adrian1, it's very important in terms of Internet performance, but most cases are not really difficult. There are just different types of records (network, www.whatever, mail.whatever, etc.) that have to be set up. [21:54] im familiar with subnetting [21:54] sethk, alot of jobs i have been for are with isp;s or hosting [21:54] adrian1, Read the documentation for djbdns. Then practice using it (djbdns). Most of the problems with DNS are really problems with BIND [21:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/27 e/- I/-] [21:55] sethk, im familiar with bind, and am in the process of setting up a testing platform [21:55] but i need a domain name [21:55] sleeper_ (~sleeper@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2t-157.vnnyca.adelphia.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:55] adrian1, start with djbdns, because it does exactly the same things, but in a much more comprehensible way. You'll need to learn bind, but it is much easier to learn _after_ working with a more reasonable (and more secure) implementation. [21:55] sethk, there are all sorts of holes in my knowledge [21:56] adrian1, you only need a domain name if you want to be visible on the 'net. You can use any old name in a network not connected to the net. [21:56] adrian1, or if it is connected to the 'net, but then your made up domain name won't resolve outside your network. [21:56] dimm0k (~nmok@pool-68-161-138-19.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "g'night piglets" [21:56] adrian1, which is not important for learning purposes. [21:56] sethk, i have done plenty of work with small companies, but i cant stand these IT ppl who think they know everything and all they use is windows [21:57] sethk, what do you do for a living [21:57] adrian1, I run into that frequently. You need patience, and fairly quickly there will be a problem that you solve in five minutes in UNIX while they are still trying to find the right GUI to run in windows. [21:58] adrian1, Code, supervise other people writing code. [21:58] adrian1, sell support for my open source database engine [21:58] sethk, for example im familiar with sendmail and the clients, but i have never used exchange [21:58] sethk, do you do any programming? [21:58] adrian1, exchange is, unfortunately, a nightmare, and a huge security problem, although not quite as huge as it was originally. [21:58] adrian1, I do only programming. [21:59] <_56k> lol [21:59] sethk, well if you know a language you are much more emploable [21:59] emplyable [21:59] employable^ [21:59] adrian1, true, but nothing stops you from learning languages. employable [21:59] hehe thanks [22:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/27 e/- I/-] [22:00] Writing user file... [22:00] Writing channel file... [22:00] sethk, what do you do for a living [22:00] adrian1, once you learn one, the second is much easier. Once you know 10, you can learn any language in a matter of hours. With a few exceptions. After all, they all do the same thing. [22:00] sethk, i wouldnt mind learning perl as in seems similar to bash [22:00] adrian1, write programs, and at times help people figure out why their distributed systems are collapsing. [22:00] adrian1, that's both perl's main selling point and its downfall. [22:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [22:01] sethk, where did you start? [22:01] adrian1, Python is a much better language, but having perl on your resume is important. [22:01] adrian1, start programming, you mean? [22:01] <_56k> php is easy, if you are looking for a starting point [22:01] sethk's old enough to have started on eniac ;) [22:01] <_56k> just my opinion though [22:01] sethk, what language did u start with? [22:02] _56k, true, and an easy bridge to C. But it requires a web server that supports php. [22:02] adrian1, 6502 assembly [22:02] sethk, will linux every implement its own version of active directory? [22:02] <_56k> well, he is a *nix man, he can set it up easily enough [22:02] or terminal services? [22:02] <_56k> or go to http://nic-nac-project.de and get one from the same place i have, a good free host [22:03] astro76 (~james@astro76.user) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:03] adrian1, Terminal services already exists. I think there is an active directory project, but I'm not sure. [22:03] adrian1, try googling for LDAP and sourceforge [22:03] sethk, so for example you will be using a linux server [22:03] or just active directory and sourceforge. [22:03] and its gui? [22:04] does it have remote control capabilities [22:04] adrian1, I rarely use GUIs, mostly because I learned how to do most things before GUIs existed. I find GUIs extremely frustrating. [22:04] sethk, i really only use the gui for mail and internet [22:04] Seven_Six_Two (~fathead@HSE-Toronto-ppp302655.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/27 e/- I/-] [22:05] not so much configuring [22:05] adrian1, in *NIX, I have no problem with GUIs, because if the GUI is missing something you still have the command line alternative [22:05] adrian1, To me that's why OSX is so much easier to use than the older mac o/s [22:06] adrian1, also, GUIs hide details from you. Which is great for productivity, but bad for learning what's really happening. [22:06] some GUIs just feel castrated. [22:06] <_56k> i love osx, but thats just me. ive never used the older mac os [22:06] chodapp, that's a good word for it, I think I'll steal it. [22:06] sethk: hmmm, ok. [22:07] sethk: I'm not much of an elitist in either direction, but I find that I use commandline for basically everything because it's faster for me. [22:07] _56k, I like the latest version of OSX a lot. Unfortunately it crashes frequently on multiprocessor G4 machines, and that's the only mac I have. [22:07] <_56k> ah. that could be a big problem [22:07] chodapp, it is for me also, but it is intimidating for some people. [22:07] sethk, why not use yellowdog [22:07] because he wants Mac OS? [22:07] JoePenguin (debian@p4.zimage.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:07] <_56k> its a great school computer; very productive, easy to use, yet i can still program and use unix services [22:08] <_56k> i dont use yellowdog because i like sound ;) [22:08] adrian1, no reason. [22:08] _56k, right, because you can get at the BSD layer. [22:08] <_56k> yep. [22:08] _56k, you can also run KDE on it and use it as a front end for both Linux/UNIX and itself. [22:09] I don't particularly like what I've seen of OS X or the zealots who try to say that Apple invented the computer and the GUI and the one-button-mouse . . . but a lot of that is probably just how things are configured. [22:09] <_56k> i dont see a real reason for ydl, for me at lest [22:09] PR- (~xxx@10001240425.0000018854.acesso.oni.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [22:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/27 e/- I/-] [22:10] <_56k> chodapp, have you opened an osx terminal? [22:10] well the fact is ydl is available for 64bit [22:10] chodapp, there were serious problems in the earlier releases. I still don't consider it stable. [22:10] _56k: once I found it, which took freaking forever. [22:10] i installed and configured gotmail, when i run it: Unable to open sendmail - was using sendmail lolololol@gmail.com. at /usr/bin/gotmail line 791 [22:10] _56k, so are a couple of others, but I haven't tried yellow dog so I can't say anything intelligent about it. [22:11] _56k: the way this particular box is configured, everything is just sticky and sluggish and slow, and trying to look slick but coming off as excessive a lot. [22:11] <_56k> chodapp, i agree. i DO like linux better, but there is a certain pleasure in having something work right off the bat [22:11] PR-, are you sure it is sendmail? Because all the other common mail servers (qmail, Courier, postfix) replace sendmail with a different program, also called sendmail. [22:11] <_56k> chodapp, what are the specs on the system? [22:12] _56k: I don't know, it's not mine, it's my grandfather's.... [22:12] <_56k> yeah [22:12] <_56k> it can be sluggish [22:12] PR-, do you use just sendmail, or do you have some other mail server installed? [22:12] <_56k> esp running on battery power [22:12] _56k: having a single corporation dictate how an OS is made is an easy way to make it work right off the bat. [22:12] i have copy/paste the error here [22:13] i don't have any mail client installed [22:13] PR-, if it is more than 4 lines, use #flood or a post bot [22:13] <_56k> regardless how its done, it does it :) dare say i wouldnt mind paying for windows, if it was any good [22:14] PR-, I was talking about servers. All of the distros install at least the "mail" client ("mail" is the name of the default BSD mail client, which can be confusing). [22:14] astro76 (~james@astro76.user) joined #linuxhelp. [22:14] #linuxhelp: mode change '+o sethk' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [22:14] #linuxhelp: mode change '-b *!*windowsre@*.nyc.rr.com' by sethk!~seth@216-19-209-139.getnet.net [22:14] #linuxhelp: mode change '-o sethk' by sethk!~seth@216-19-209-139.getnet.net [22:14] <_56k> i dont really like how everything is so abstracted from the unix base though. i guess it makes it easy to use, but you dont get that touchy feely sensation [22:14] sendmail is not installed [22:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:15] PR-, then I'm confused, because your error message was talking about sendmail, wasn't it? [22:15] yes [22:15] [t35t0r] (~t35t0r@pcp01715954pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:15] PR-, did you remove it? [22:16] Tcl error in script for 'timer2124503': [22:16] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [22:16] but i happens when gotmail tryes to foward the mail in my msn.com account to my gmail.com acount [22:16] PR-, because there has to be a program called sendmail or lots of things fall apart. That's why the alternative mail servers all have a program named "sendmail" [22:17] PR-, aim it at a machine that has a mail server running, if you can. Otherwise, I think I'd use either the qmail version of sendmail, or the sendmail version of sendmail. [22:17] Now _that_ was a bizarre sentence. :) [22:18] Anybody here who uses dspam? [22:18] EvolutionR (~konversat@218.111.195.237) joined #linuxhelp. [22:18] EvolutionR (~konversat@218.111.195.237) left #linuxhelp ("Konversation terminated!"). [22:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:20] <_56k> did you see the minimac? (macmini?) [22:20] _56k, I saw a picture of a rectangular box. [22:21] <_56k> yeah, thats pretty much it [22:21] PR- (~xxx@10001240425.0000018854.acesso.oni.pt) left irc: "Fui embora" [22:21] |asda11sd|as22dasd|as33as|asd44adas|asd55|asda66|afb77|jmy88|bgfb99|bdb1010| <- in here how can i cut part 9 ? [22:21] <_56k> 6x6x2 just impressed me though [22:21] _56k, yes, but let's see the performance. [22:21] dsotm (~dsotm@pcp08612796pcs.anaprd01.md.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.0c20cvs -- just do it." [22:21] <_56k> its not spectacular [22:22] dnb, with a tool that by default uses maximal regular expressions. Which means all the most common tools. All the preceding vertical bar characters will be consumed. [22:22] dnb, what do you need to do, exactly? [22:22] <_56k> for 499 i think its 1.25 g4, 256 megs, 40 gig hdd, radeon 9200 [22:22] t35t0r (~t35t0r@pcp01715954pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:23] <_56k> 599 you can get a 1.45 w/ 80 gig hdd, i believe [22:23] i need to get this text from a file bgfb99 [22:23] dnb, the Mac processor is more powerful, so 1.25 gig is not as low as it sounds, but my G4 is dual 1.25 and I'm not impressed with the performance. [22:23] sethk, i need it with perl style.. i'll use in php script [22:24] <_56k> sethk, was that to me? :) [22:24] dnb, Verify this in the docs, but I believe that the default for perl is maximal. so it would be something like: [22:24] _56k, yes, sorry dnb [22:24] I've seen Apple's benchmarks and I've seen independent benchmarks, and I'm not really convinced of Apple's side. [22:24] <_56k> sethk, if you said it didnt run properly on your machine, it might be a problem [22:24] I'm using FC3 with an Nvidia 5700FX vivo. I can't use RivaTV with current Nvidia driver loaded so from init level 3, I use "rmmod nvidia" to unloaded it. I then "modprobe rivatv". [22:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:25] I can then get video in. My question is after I do the reverse how do I get X to start and give me the choice to logout without going back to a console [22:25] thanks sethk [22:25] regardless the benchmarks, apple still amazes me with their designs. so elegant, yet simple [22:25] dnb ^.*|(.*)$, then the last part will be the only item in the match list. [22:25] I want the same choices of window managers and entering logins that I have if I reboot [22:25] <_56k> ananke, thats why i'll pay the extra money [22:25] chodapp, I think you are correct, they exagerate. But then, most companies do. [22:25] <_56k> unleess i wanna do something open source.. then intel for me [22:26] _56k : if i had the money, i'd buy a mac for my wife. just because they're so nifty [22:26] <_56k> heh, i havent seen any benchmarks, i never pay attention [22:26] <_56k> ananke, 499 for a mac mini [22:26] b_9, you can't change the video driver while X is running. For fairly obvious reasons. [22:26] _56k : i noticed that [22:26] right. I kill x first [22:26] using init 3 or telinit 3 [22:27] that's $499 more than i want to spend on a computer right now :) [22:27] b_9, ok, regardless of how you kill it, what's the problem? Does it load the riva driver on the next boot? [22:27] I'm looking at Athlon64 and Athlon XP right now, trying to figure out the benefits. [22:27] but what I'm confused about is will a simply init 5 bring me back like I rebooted [22:27] I can't see if Athlon64 and its features will help much or not... [22:28] b_9, yes, if the configuration is the one generally used. [22:28] _Daedric (~noneof@adslsapo-b5-209-200.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [22:28] EvolutionR (~konversat@218.111.195.237) joined #linuxhelp. [22:28] ok thanks [22:28] <_56k> chodapp, they moved the memory to its own bus w/ the processor [22:28] EvolutionR (~konversat@218.111.195.237) left #linuxhelp ("Konversation terminated!"). [22:28] <_56k> thats about all i know w/ the a64s [22:28] b_9, there are easier ways to kill the server than init 3 ... I take that back, they aren't easier, but there are other ways to do it. [22:28] <_56k> my 3200+ works fine [22:29] <_56k> ctrl alt backspace works fine for me, unless you are in (5?) [22:29] _56k, if they can access memory at CPU speed the improvement should be enormous. [22:29] <_56k> sethk, 100% memory access time improvement [22:29] _56k, but it will auto-restart and bring up the login window, if it is configured to use the login window. [22:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [22:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:30] <_56k> but, benchmarks ive seen hasnt convinced me that a low price a64 processor is worth it [22:30] b_9, I boot level 5 but without starting any display manager. Then I start X with startx. Then I can kill it and restart it whenever I wish. [22:30] <_56k> sethk, yeah, thats what i meant. i dont know how to keep display manager from starting up, i'd assume some runlevel script [22:31] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-082-083-044-130.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:31] Even with 32-bit apps should this memory speed be pretty dramatic of a change, even compared to the same RAM on a different CPU type? [22:31] <_56k> sethk, looks like i found it [22:32] _56k, two things. You edit the level 5 rc file to stop it from autorestarting, and then you edit the file that starts it in the first place (which is the same file with some distros). [22:32] <_56k> i wonder why there is no rc.5? [22:33] <_56k> but rc.6 seems to contain the startup crap [22:33] _56k, which distro? [22:33] <_56k> (the x startup stuff) [22:33] <_56k> slack [22:33] _56k, let me check one of my slack machines, hold on for a moment... [22:33] <_56k> no, nevermind [22:33] <_56k> rc.4 contains the x startup stuff [22:34] _56k, beat me to it. :) [22:34] _56k, b_9 notice there are also rc#.d directories, as in /etc/rc.d/rc5.d [22:34] <_56k> sethk, do you have any pointers about distro use? i personally really like slack, and im not sure why [22:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:35] here's a pointer: use what you like [22:35] _56k, My experience is that slack is easier to configure, but that may just be because it mimics real UNIX more than the other distros. [22:35] _56k, but someone else will say the reverse, that they dislike it because it configures like BSD [22:36] _56k, or SVR4, I forget which. [22:36] <_56k> yeah. ive always heard it was hard, but i think its so much easier. i had so much trouble with FC2, for example [22:36] <_56k> sethk, i dont have those directories [22:36] _56k, I use fedora for less technical users, but I immediately replace their kernel with the "real" kernel (the kernel from kernel.org) [22:37] _56k, They may only appear when CUPS is installed. [22:37] <_56k> im still a pretty big novice, but i know enough to fix lilo *every time it breaks when i install slack* [22:37] _56k, because a CUPS script is the only thing in the directory on the slack box I'm looking at. [22:37] <_56k> idk what CUPS is :) [22:37] _56k, print manager/server [22:37] slackware's own cups uses /etc/rc.d/rc.cupsd only [22:38] ananke, yes, but I had major problems with it with USB printers, so I install the vanilla latest CUPS from source. [22:38] <_56k> ive never setup printing on linux. is it hard? [22:38] s/cupsd/cups to be exact. if you have any dirs in /etc/rc.d/ it means you installed something from source [22:38] _56k : depends on a printer [22:39] ananke, yes, as I just said I installed CUPS from source. :) because of problems with the slack version [22:39] <_56k> figures. the only problem with linux yet still is hw support [22:39] _56k : for example, if it's a postscript printer, i can get it set up and running in less than 15 mins. this is from the time i power it up, to the time everybody on my network can print to it :) [22:39] _56k, what do you mean? What do you want to use that isn't supported? [22:39] <_56k> sethk, i mean from past experience, nothing now [22:39] <_56k> well, maybe not *support*, but easy support [22:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:40] <_56k> ive given up on some old net cards from a long time ago. not such a big deal now, though [22:40] ananke, With the latest CUPS it is even quicker, because the clients will find the server without having to edit the client conf file in /etc (/etc/cups, I think). [22:40] <_56k> ah well, its time to sleep [22:40] sethk : you probably mean /etc/cups/client.conf, option servername. i still prefer to use that [22:40] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-043-073.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:40] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [22:40] ananke, yes, /etc/cups/client.conf Unless you want to control it, of course; you still can. [22:41] <_56k> have fun [22:41] ananke, there's an echo in here. :) [22:41] :) [22:42] i just spent two days beating my head over one printer though. i can get it to work just fine, both unix and windows side. only the default settings on windows won't stick [most likely because the drivers are installed in samba print$ share [22:42] but it's sickening. i can drop a new printer and have macosx/linux/solaris clients work in less than 5 mins. yet windows takes forever [22:42] <_56k> btw, i use a kvm switch; when i start switching, the scroll mouse wheel stops working. any guesses the problem? [22:42] _56k : the kvm, obviously :) [22:43] _56k, I've seen a Belkin KVM do that. [22:43] _56k, My iogear kvm doesn't have the problem. [22:43] regeya (~shane@dialup-4.159.59.249.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:44] _56k, sometimes you can get it back by recycling the KVM [22:44] <_56k> ill try that, not sure if that will help though [22:44] <_56k> im not using it at the minute though ;) [22:44] <_56k> it is a belkin kvm [22:44] _56k, good. I mean, good that it seems to be only one kvm that has the problem. [22:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:45] <_56k> should i be upset that prince harry wore a nazi uniform? [22:45] _56k, I have iogear ps/2 kvm and USB kvm, and both work well. [22:45] _56k, not a uniform, only the shirt. But, yes, you should be extremely upset. [22:45] i have yet seen one person fully satisfied with belkin stuff [22:45] _56k, at least, I am extremely upset. [22:46] I can't restart the service vsftpd. Why? [22:46] defaultro (~def@64-135-220-60.FoxValley.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:46] evening guys [22:46] nite defaultro [22:46] has anyone use lirc? [22:46] ananke, true. the same KVM switch, which was an 8 port, had a totally dead port. [22:46] gudnite [22:46] defaultro, that was a short visit. [22:46] i didn't get you [22:47] <_56k> im not so upset, im not sure why. it was a bad choice of a costume, very true, but it was a costume [22:47] defaultro, just joking, as if evening was your entrance to the channel. :) [22:47] oh ok [22:47] sorry :) [22:47] How is everyone doing? ;) [22:47] _56k : different standards apply when you're a public persona, or part of royalty :) [22:47] <_56k> if he was at some pro nazi rally, that would be another story [22:47] hey sethk, have you use lirc? [22:48] _56k, if you look at British history in the year before WW2 and the year of the phony war, you will change your mind, I think. [22:48] SyPh4 (~xb1t@196.33.240.39) joined #linuxhelp. [22:48] defaultro, no, sorry, I haven't. [22:48] how can i configure Fedora to not start X system by default [22:48] ok [22:48] does fedora have an inittab file? [22:48] defaultro, SyPh4, yes, it does [22:48] that's the file i used to modify in redhat and slackware [22:48] change runlevel to 3 from 5 [22:48] 5 is gui [22:48] defaultro, I think he wants to do the reverse. [22:49] grey (~grey@Sudbury-HSE-ppp3980428.sympatico.ca) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [22:49] that's correct chagnge 5 to 3 [22:49] ta [22:49] SyPh4, comment out the autorestart in inittab. [22:49] look at my sentence again [22:49] runlevel to 3 from 5, awkward though :) [22:49] SyPh4, and the original start, and you can boot to level 5 but not start X. Which is cleaner. [22:49] bMotion: FLOOD check on Nire [22:49] i have the old tricks :( [22:49] <_56k> sethk, why is it cleaner? [22:49] bMotion: FLOOD check on Nire [22:49] defaultro, yes, I wouldn't do it that way. [22:49] im not good in gui [22:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:50] bMotion: FLOOD check on Nire [22:50] _56k, I think it's cleaner because you can start and stop X without changing run levels. So it is a lot faster, and anything in level 5 that you need is available. [22:50] grepper (~robert@HSE-Toronto-ppp186140.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [22:50] bMotion: FLOOD check on Nire [22:50] _56k, if you only start X once, it doesn't much matter. [22:50] sethk, I ftp to my fc3 box from outside of it. I opened port 21 on the firewall [22:51] <_56k> sethk, i can startx from runlevel 3 [22:51] not everyone wants to use X. I have a fax / nfs / samba server that I never use X for. [22:51] _56k, no, what I'm saying is you can stop X from automatically starting at run level 5 [22:51] <_56k> what else is available at run level 5? [22:51] tovella, true. I don't run X on my servers. especially since they have no heads. [22:52] _56k, I'd have to check; it might not be important. [22:52] Daedric (~noneof@82.154.214.183) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:52] Nick change: [t35t0r] -> t35t0r [22:52] sethk: just changed the runlevel.. that should do right? [22:52] strange thing netstat -an lists "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:8 LISTEN" [22:52] <_56k> sethk, im just not sure i see the advantage [22:53] SyPh4, the default run level, I assume you mean. Yes, that should be fine. [22:53] thanks [22:53] sethk, strange thing netstat -an lists "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:8 LISTEN" [22:53] _56k, might not be one, but I suspect if you do a ps at run level 5 (with X not running) and do another at run level 3, they would be different. I could be wrong, though. [22:54] oops not 8, * [22:54] b_9, that just means allow port 21 connections from the entire world. [22:54] <_56k> sethk, i dont see anything in /etc/rc.d/rc.4 that might justify xwmconfig working. where does that come in? [22:54] <_56k> and for that matter, where is graphical login started? [22:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/26 e/- I/-] [22:55] _56k, it is different in different distros, but you can find it by doing a recursive egrep in /etc for .dm (which should find gdm, kdm, or xdm) [22:56] then why can't I connect to my ftp server from any other machine on my network? [22:56] <_56k> gdm, does that handle the grapical login? [22:56] _56k, that is just configuration for when startx is used. [22:56] <_56k> (i RTFM for once) [22:56] _56k, yes [22:56] hey guys, does the newest kernel have LVM support? [22:56] <_56k> sethk, xwmconfig is only for when startx is used? [22:56] b_9, Let me check my netstat. Although I use sftp, so I'll have to extrapolate. [22:56] defaultro : uhmm, of course [22:56] _56k, I believe that is correct. I know it is correct with gdm. [22:57] <_56k> huh. [22:57] <_56k> well, i like startxing anyway :) [22:57] sethk, I'm not sold on any particular ftp server. I'll switch if there is a valid reason to [22:57] _56k, as do I. [22:58] b_9, I've used vsftp, but that is probably the one installed on your system. The reason I mentioned sftp is because the port is different so the netstat line might not be identical. [22:58] <_56k> tty# - what are those? [22:59] _56k, the virtual consoles, control-alt-f1, control-alt-f2, etc. [22:59] _56k, assuming that you aren't using a serial terminal. which is highly unlikely. :) [23:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:00] Writing user file... [23:00] Writing channel file... [23:00] <_56k> yeah. im wondering what they are exactly though, system wise [23:00] <_56k> when gdm runs, what happens to the other login manager? the normal text one [23:00] _56k, it is there. if you do control-alt-f1, you'll see it. [23:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [23:01] what does Fedora use as the default Firewall provider? it doesnt seem to be ipchains or tables [23:01] reason I thought it was wierd is I use opened port 443 for sshing and it is formatted as such, "tcp 0 0 :::443 :::443* LISTEN", and it works [23:01] I can ssh from any machine [23:01] b_9, my netstat looks identical. So the problem must be related to the ftp server configuration. If it is vsftp (which is probable if it is a new distro; you said which, but I forgot). [23:01] <_56k> huh [23:02] FC3 [23:02] b_9, I have lines in both formats. They should be identical. But, by all means, try the other. [23:02] where would I type it? I thought netstat just displays [23:03] b_9, try to telnet to port 21 on the server. then you'll see whether the connection occurs. [23:03] ok [23:03] b_9, You don't, if it is configurable, the ftp server configuration would have to be the place. [23:04] b_9, but I think the result will be the same. Try the telnet trick, as in telnet 123.321.123.321:21 [23:04] b_9, but don't use 321. :) [23:04] 192.168.1.200:21/telnet: Name or service not known [23:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:06] b_9, that sounds like your inetd or xinetd isn't configured to allow ftp connections. [23:07] good (~good@c-24-127-163-133.we.client2.attbi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [23:08] how do I edit my /etc/xinetd.d file to allow ftp connections? [23:09] SyPh4 (~xb1t@196.33.240.39) left irc: "x" [23:09] chodapp (1000@blackbird-day-216-68-113-21.fuse.net) left irc: [23:09] busboy (~Unknow@adsl-67-113-246-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:09] hello [23:09] i want to do a netbackup of win/unix machine on a robotic tape library, any ideas how i can do that? [23:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:10] b_9, xinetd.d is a directory. There should be an ftp configuration file in that directory. Usually you just change disabled to enabled, or enabled to yes, or something obvious like that. [23:11] should there be a file for vsftp? I have them for gssftp and tftp only [23:12] b_9, then the distro is probably using gssftp instead of vfstp [23:12] Smileee (~mark@220-244-240-71-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:13] b_9, tftp is a different protocol. [23:13] keter (~NOne@ool-44c26302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:13] ok [23:14] keter (~NOne@ool-44c26302.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:14] b_9, change "disable = yes" to "disable = no" (no quotes, it is a line) [23:14] b_9, then either restart xinetd or send it a SIGHUP [23:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:15] ok thanks [23:15] kaetzchen (~zuff@p508A771E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [23:16] busboy (~Unknow@adsl-67-113-246-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) left #linuxhelp. [23:19] _56k (1000@acs-24-154-73-105.zoominternet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:20] ep (~ep@ip68-97-124-161.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:21] Tcl error in script for 'timer2127811': [23:21] can't read "bMotionSettings(useAway)": no such element in array [23:21] Space_Boy (~cloak@202-74-193-164.ue.woosh.co.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [23:23] I turned off vsftpd service turned on gssftp, edited the gssftp config file to yes and I still can't connect ftp except through localhost:21 [23:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:25] seems like a firewall thing to me, because I can connect if the connection doesn't leave the machine, but if I use it's ip instead of 127.0.0.1 it won't connect [23:25] netstat -tnlp [23:25] is it listening on any other address besides the loopback? [23:26] t35t0r (~t35t0r@pcp01715954pcs.nash01.tn.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] netstat -tnlp | grep ':21' [23:28] tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* [23:29] LISTEN 23773/vsftpd [23:29] ok [23:29] do you have any firewall rules? [23:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [23:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:30] that's wierd though, I turned off vsftpd and went with gssftp [23:30] yeah [23:30] service vsftpd stop [23:30] or just kill 23773 [23:31] ok [23:32] if you're using xinetd try restarting xinetd [23:32] killall -HUP xinetd [23:33] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|zzz [23:33] 530 Must perform authentication before identifying USER. [23:33] you got that from your ftp client? [23:33] yes I get that now good [23:34] good sign? [23:34] did you login? [23:34] seems like you tried to identify without supplying a password [23:34] using gftp app and I entered my username and password [23:34] ls ? [23:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:35] i dunno.. see if you're connected or try a different client [23:35] just ftp [23:35] do I have to specify some kind of authentication? [23:35] maybe, it depends on the client [23:35] i never used gftp before [23:35] i assume its just the gnu version of ftp [23:35] ok will do in command line [23:35] so it should be pretty similar [23:36] JoePenguin (debian@p4.zimage.com) left irc: "Client exiting" [23:36] 334 Using authentication type GSSAPI; ADAT must follow [23:37] 334 Using authentication type GSSAPI; ADAT must follow GSSAPI accepted as authentication type GSSAPI error major: Miscellaneous failure GSSAPI error minor: No credentials cache found [23:37] GSSAPI error: initializing context GSSAPI authentication failed 334 Using authentication type KERBEROS_V4; ADAT must follow KERBEROS_V4 accepted as authentication type Kerberos V4 krb_mk_req failed: You have no tickets cached [23:39] what authentication does it want before allowing a username and password? [23:39] it's looking for kerberos authentication [23:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:40] how do I give it or disable it if it's safe to do [23:41] I don't know about kerberos authentication [23:42] well gssftp is the "kerberized" ftp server used for kerberos authentication [23:42] if you dont even know how to use it i would use vsftpd [23:43] blu1 (~blue11223@adsl-68-94-58-225.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:43] that's where I started, but sethk, said I don't have a config file in the xinetd.d folder [23:44] so I switched to gssftp [23:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:46] is anyone here using mandrake? [23:47] i talked to the developor of ndiswrapper and he says that the software is not interacting with mcc, but the other way around....this was my reason for switching back to windows in the first place...could someone help me sort out this conflict? [23:47] thanks for your help good [23:48] good, I used ssh and it allowed me to use the ftp program [23:48] np, the config file for vsftpd isnt under /etc/xinetd.d/ [23:48] had to use my ssh port though [23:48] it should be in /etc/vsftpd/vsftpd.conf [23:48] how did you use ssh? [23:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:50] gftp has an option for username password and (ssh2, ftp, ftps, http, https and local) [23:50] I selected ssh2 because I knew I could ssh from other boxes [23:50] and it worked [23:51] <]frag[> after ive added a user to a group how do i make those chages go in effect when hes logged in? [23:52] seemawn (~zomtec@p50811D24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [23:52] busboy (~Unknow@adsl-67-113-246-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:53] hello, anyone familar with smbtar? [23:54] frag: re-login [23:54] gnight guys. thanks very much good and sethk! [23:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/26 e/- I/-] [23:55] frag: you could also just type 'su' [23:55] np, night [23:56] b_9 (~gcurtis@dhcp9579177.columbus.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:57] busboy (~Unknow@adsl-67-113-246-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) left #linuxhelp. [23:59] aditm (~aaa_AA@213.157.174.37) joined #linuxhelp. [00:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:00] --- Fri Jan 14 2005 [00:00] Backing up user file... [00:00] Backing up channel file...