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[00:16] hi all [00:17] anyone can help me with firefox? i just updatet it and after a restart this happend: http://rapidshare.de/files/5583453/screenshot.png.html . what's wrong and how can i fix it? [00:19] Nick change: Punko|outside -> Punko [00:19] xp__ (n=knoppix@c-24-10-33-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/17 e/- I/-] [00:20] still do not understand much, but i love linux [00:21] How do i find out which partition my home drive is located [00:22] doctorwhite (n=doctorwh@adsl-66-127-222-66.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:23] your home drive ? [00:23] Sorry, i meant my home folder [00:23] you can find the working directory with "pwd" [00:24] then type "mount" and look where it is mounted on [00:24] cool thanks [00:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [00:25] of you can look in the /etc/fstab where the mount points are defined [00:26] so the mount point of / is the root ,correct? [00:27] there does not seem to be anything mounted to /home/lwells [00:28] Neur0newserver (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [00:28] Bac9 (n=Bac9@ip216-239-73-196.vif.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:29] well thanks everyone, still have lots of learning to do [00:29] venom (n=venom@CPE-144-136-38-4.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [00:29] lwells (n=Larry@ip68-228-77-244.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [00:30] i just downloaded amsn and i unziped it, how do i run it LOL anyone ? [00:30] keter_ (n=NOne@ool-44c26302.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:33] Bac9 (n=Bac9@ip216-239-73-196.vif.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [00:37] trasan (i=nobody@qe-informatik.uibk.ac.at) left irc: Client Quit [00:38] venom: try: cd /path/to/amsn/; ./some-executable [00:39] idaho45 (n=john@201.243.29.13) left irc: Connection timed out [00:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [00:44] martin__ (n=baua@host.ihp-microelectronics.com) joined #linuxhelp. [00:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/17 e/- I/-] [00:45] have all executables a symbol table or must I compile it with a special option? 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[00:52] -rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 9712 Nov 7 2004 amsn [00:52] you see those x x x ? they mean 'excute' :p [00:52] thats what i thoghht it was, im in the directory i type amsn and nothing it says command not found :\ [00:53] ahh [00:53] execute, even [00:53] ok.. so you type the command name and nothing happns.. that's because the command isn't actually in you $PATH [00:54] so you still can call the program if you tell where the command is in.. somthing like this: ./amsn [00:54] when i double click on it in the GUI it says " There was an error launching the application, failed to execute child process" :\ [00:54] oooo [00:54] try it from an xterm and see what happens [00:54] keter (n=NOne@ool-44c26302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/17 e/- I/-] [00:55] keter_ (n=NOne@ool-44c26302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Connection timed out [00:55] [venom@localhost amsn-0_94]$ ./amsn [00:55] /usr/bin/env: wish: No such file or directory [00:55] :( [00:55] that then.. you don't have TCL/tk installed [00:56] what are they :S [00:56] you see.. amsn is written in a scrpiting language (tcl). so you need an interpreter (tcl) to excute the program [00:56] o [00:56] gay [00:57] if you don't have tcl, then you can't run the program [00:57] i see [01:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/17 e/- I/-] [01:00] Writing user file... 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[02:27] wait found entry in config.log [02:27] problem solved [02:27] philc (n=reformis@pcp0010434810pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:27] Neur0newserver (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:29] Lego_Bitch (n=BUUU@bl5-231-76.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/17 e/- I/-] [02:30] deeLer (n=deeler@194.78.30.14) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:33] war_ (n=war@iniquity.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:34] deeLer (n=deeler@194.78.30.14) joined #linuxhelp. [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [02:35] deeLer (n=deeler@194.78.30.14) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:36] war- (n=war@iniquity.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[03:24] does any one no how to fix this [03:24] [root@localhost venom]# nmap -sS -vv -O 192.168.0.1 [03:24] Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-09-27 08:22 EST [03:24] Failed to lookup device subnet/netmask: wlan0: no IPv4 address assigned [03:24] QUITTING! [03:24] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@c-67-161-65-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/17 e/- I/-] [03:25] venom: sure your link is working properly? [03:26] witch link are you talking abou? [03:27] anyone know of tools that could replace GNU make ? [03:28] venom (n=venom@CPE-144-136-38-4.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [03:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/17 e/- I/-] [03:30] philc (n=reformis@pcp0010434810pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:34] shevegen: there are a lot of build systems, but generally they generate makefiles... 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[03:49] Nick change: Romsterr -> Romster [03:49] dionysus (n=dionysus@60-240-77-149-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/17 e/- I/-] [03:50] avinoam: convert to postscript/pdf or html [03:50] Triskelios, but that involves downloading a lot of software [03:50] MrFarts: I can answer questions, but I can't hand-hold [03:51] avinoam: then just use a text editor [03:51] Triskelios, well, i'm almost to the point where i just want to kick and scream [03:51] Triskelios, but there's a lot of code, i can't really read it like that [03:51] Neur0newserver (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [03:51] Triskelios, i'm being told that my 'credentials are invalid' [03:51] yet they aren't [03:52] Blissex (i=pcg@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [03:52] avinoam: docbook is not meant to be rendered directly [03:53] Triskelios, then through what? [03:53] Triskelios: but it can be rendered directly!" [03:53] Triskelios, it's a help file for a package [03:53] godkas (n=godkas@c-67-171-197-168.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:54] To render directly DocBook via most modern browsers, have a look here for a style sheet and examples: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Proj/DocBook/ [03:54] And here for rendering RSS XML directly: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/anno05-3rd.html#050921 [03:54] does anyone know wether cedega has video and memory usage information in a config file if so does anyone know where i might find said config file [03:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [03:55] avinoam: however Triskelios is quite right in that usually DocBook is ''compiled'', like LaTeX say, into another format. [03:55] avinoam: this is usually done via XSLT or similar stuff, into things like PDF or HTML. [03:56] umm what do i do with a css? [03:56] when i do set in zsh env, i get a lot of variables..is this normal? [03:56] avinoam: since much/most Linux/KDE/... documentation is in DocBook, there are packages which contain reaady made DocBook ''compilers''. [03:56] Blissex, i'm dling right now [03:56] Blissex, what do i do with style sheets? [03:57] avinoam: however if you just want to see DocBook on screen, you can use something like OpenOffice.org or Quanta. [03:57] Blissex, i tried openoffice [03:57] Blissex, it just opened the code [03:57] avinoam: if you import DocBook into OOo, that should just work. [03:57] Blissex, i went to the site that you sent me [03:58] keter_ (n=NOne@ool-44c26302.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:58] avinoam: of course you have to specify that you're importing docbook [03:59] MrFarts: this is as the admin user, or what? [04:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/17 e/- I/-] [04:00] Writing user file... [04:00] Writing channel file... [04:00] avinoam: you may have to use the OOo beta version 2 to deal better with DocBook stuff. [04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [04:01] i don't have OOo [04:01] [06:57:28] Blissex, i tried openoffice [04:01] you just said you did... [04:01] Triskelios, did it work? [04:01] is OOo open office? [04:01] oh it is [04:01] woops [04:01] lol [04:01] i have 2.0 [04:02] Triskelios, i'm going to start seeing trails soon [04:02] _user (n=user@219-88-172-133.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [04:03] <_user> can someone help me choose a linux distro? i have copies of slackware, gentoo, and freebsd, i know you probly get asked this question every 5 minutes [04:03] but the format is .docbook [04:03] _user: out of the above I'd say go with either slackware or freebsd [04:04] avinoam: Also, also, try the KDE editor Quanta. [04:04] avinoam: ...so? [04:04] _user: yes.. and everytime we tell people to use google and check out distrowatch (google for that) [04:04] _user: if you are a newbie, none of those is really suitable. [04:04] Quanta i don't have [04:04] Triskelios, so i don't know how to open it [04:04] DrZoot (n=drzoot@60-240-249-117.tpgi.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [04:04] avinoam: select docbook when you open it [04:04] HermenL (n=hermen@ortelius.xs4all.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [04:04] _user: they are sort of ''experience UNIX hacker'' sort of distros. [04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [04:05] trisk but when i do that, it filters for .xml [04:05] avinoam: Triskelios is trying to say that the default is to open a file as text, not as special XML format... [04:05] <_user> Blissex: im not looking for a windows clone, i want something that is fun, otherwise i coudl just stil use windows [04:05] _user>>>If you are in doubt, that indicates you do not have much *nix experience, so perhaps slackware would be the easyest [04:05] Blissex, i just said that when i select docbook, it filters for .xml [04:06] <_user> i want something fun, and is gonna be a learning experience at the same time [04:06] avinoam: yes, and DocBook is just a special case of XML. So just change the suffix to ".xml" or force the name [04:06] _user: then it's slackware [04:06] is it your first distro? [04:06] _user: Try ubuntu, a well-done and fun distro [04:06] <_user> ive dabbled ina couple of toehrs, but not very much [04:06] _user: Slackware sounds good for that. [04:06] Blissex: ooo seems to be not so smart about that unless you actually rename the file [04:06] ubuntu is good too. [04:06] Romsterr (n=Romster@tor/session/x-71fbbe5bcf3e9e5b) joined #linuxhelp. [04:06] yarh, i would say choose an easier distro.....ubuntu/debian is a good choise [04:06] ok i'm trying [04:07] <_user> ive tried ubuntu, mandriva, centos and fedora, but only at other peoepls places [04:07] _user: for bleeding edge fun, but not too bad, Fedora. [04:07] Romster (n=Romster@tor/session/x-9bdd98b6be2d84b3) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:07] sorry... fedora... fun? [04:07] Nick change: Romsterr -> Romster [04:07] For servers I use Fedora Core 4, for fun/desktop Ubuntu [04:07] _user: so it's either ubuntu or slackware [04:07] _user: Ubuntu/Debian are not bleeding edge, they are for solid desktop or server work. [04:08] so is slackware.. [04:08] Triskelios: Fedora is a running beta of the latest and greatest. Excellent for experimenting. [04:08] <_user> i wont have a server, well i might play around with it hell i want to try a bit of it all [04:08] _user: you see ? that how it goes everytime someone asks about distros :p [04:08] _Neur0FX (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:08] Sonderblade (n=bjourne@213.131.147.169) joined #linuxhelp. [04:09] _user: of those you already got Slackware is the most suitable though. [04:09] OK i selected docbook and it still didn't render it [04:09] Lego_Bitch (n=BUUU@bl5-231-76.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [04:09] Yep: check out www.linuxiso.org and do 'em all [04:09] _user: sometimes there are people who will go around ``no.. don't use fedora. it sucks..`` or ``debian is as old as a dead cow`` or something like that :p [04:09] <_user> well i only got mandriva, fedora, freebsd, centos, slackware, and gentoo .. so that cuts it down a bit [04:09] this isnt entirely on topic but i couldnt think of a better place to ask. have a laptop ( compaq m2217ap ) which came with a broadcom wireless card ( utterly bloody useless, even with ndiswrapper ) so i bought an intel 2200bg only to find that the laptop has a wifi card whitelist in the bios ... bugger. turns out though that this laptop was offered with a 2200bg and that its possible to change the pci ids in the card firmware so the bios play [04:09] its ok to plug the mini pci 2200bg card after the computer has gotten past the bios stage, i find this hard to believe, anyone know if its ok to hotplug minipci ? [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/17 e/- I/-] [04:10] idaho45 (n=john@201.243.29.13) joined #linuxhelp. [04:10] so i'm converting it to html [04:11] _user: eliminate Gentoo (mad) and FreeBSD (not Linux, mostly from source too). CentOS is more or less the server version of Fedora, just like Debian is more or less the server version of Ubuntu. [04:11] _user: so you are left with Mandriva, Fedora and Slackware. [04:11] _user: Mandriva is the all-singing-all-dancing MS Windows clone, so you said you don't want that. [04:11] <_user> aye, that diosnt sound liek fun to me [04:12] <_user> i know people with fedora and mandriva, but not slackware, i might pick slackware just to be different [04:12] Blissex: freebsd uses binary packages as long as your stay away from ports, fyi [04:12] _user: Between Slackware and Fedora, well, Slackware is more stable and more ''traditional'', Fedora is more cutting edge and less stable. [04:13] i've been considering trying fedora [04:13] i don't completely agree.. it's true that mandrive does many things for you instead of letting you go down the basement and do all the dirty work yourself, but it's not a windows clone [04:13] I've never used a redhat based distro [04:13] Action: Triskelios hasn't noticed anything particularly cutting edge in fc4.. 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[05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [05:33] _Neur0FX (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/17 e/- I/-] [05:51] Last message repeated 3 time(s). [05:51] Neur0newserver (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [05:55] nix101, what filesystem is the windows drive? [05:55] fat32 [05:55] sriram (n=sriram@dsl-Chn-static-114.251.247.61.touchtelindia.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] i actually get 2 errors, some say operation not permitted, and other say invalid argument [05:56] are you trying to copy as root? [05:56] is the windows partition mounted? [05:56] sudo cp -r /here /to-here [05:56] nix101: 'man 8 mount' and look at the options for FAT32, in particular 'umask', 'uid' and 'gid'. [05:56] i used a script someoen gave em to mount my fat32 is rw [05:56] nix101: and some operations are not permitted. [05:57] /dev/hdb1 on /media/0 GB Disk (hdb1) type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0111,dmask=0000) [05:57] that's not fat, it's ntfs [05:57] and it's mounted read-only [05:57] oh oops [05:57] nix101: thats NTFS and the NTFS drivers does not really support RW either. [05:57] and it should stay read-only [05:57] /dev/hdb5 on /media/0 GB Disk (hdb5) type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0111,dmask=0000) [05:57] my bad, forget the other one [05:57] sriram (n=sriram@dsl-Chn-static-114.251.247.61.touchtelindia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:57] heh [05:58] it copys about 90% of the files, but a few just error [05:59] example? [05:59] could be characters in the file name, or file type [05:59] hard to say without details [05:59] shevegen (n=adh4@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at) left #linuxhelp ("Verlassend!!!"). [05:59] cp: cannot create symbolic link `/media/0 GB Disk (hdb5)/some-file': Operation not permitted [06:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:00] Writing user file... [06:00] Writing channel file... [06:00] cp: cannot create regular file `/media/0 GB Disk (hdb5)/some-files': Invalid argument [06:00] well, that's a symbolic link [06:00] cp: cannot create regular file `/media/0 GB Disk (hdb5)/some-file': Invalid argument [06:00] those are 3 differnt erros i get [06:00] it won't copy symbolic links [06:00] the other two.. perhaps something about the file name(s) [06:00] nix101: are symbolic links and parenthesis allowed on FAT32? [06:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [06:01] im not sure,only had linux a week [06:01] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) left irc: "Leaving" [06:02] nix101: well, it looks like they aren't.... :-) [06:02] RiotGeek (n=brad@c-66-30-10-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:02] symbolic links are like shortcuts in windows? [06:02] nix101: yes. [06:02] linuxfreck (n=freck@p5492BE73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [06:02] they're similar in nature, but not interchangeable. [06:02] i guess they dont matter then, since the paths wont be valid [06:02] nix101: yes... [06:03] what about the regular file errors? [06:03] nix101: but 'cp' has not option to copy not the link, but the target of the link. [06:04] cp: cannot create regular file `/media/0 GB Disk (hdb5)/some-files': Invalid argument [06:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:05] nix101: we can't evaluate that without a real filename [06:05] nix101: but 'cp' has [an] option to copy not the link, but the target of the link. [06:06] blissex thanks but i wont need to do that :) [06:06] nix101: here I can create files with "()" in them though on a FAT32 partition. [06:06] cp: cannot create regular file `/media/0 GB Disk (hdb5)/cpp_adblock-v.04-linux/cpp_adblock-v.04-linux\\overlay.css': Invalid argument [06:06] nix101: you cannot have backslashes in a FAT32 name [06:07] _Neur0FX (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:07] _Neur0FX (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [06:07] what? howd those stupid backslashes get there, im sure i didnt do that [06:08] nix101: what probably happened is that you tried to copy off some MS Windows filesys, and backslashes are legal in an UNIX/Linux filename. [06:08] files were generated when i instaleld something, but even in unix, why would you wanan put bckslashes in names [06:09] nix101: so instead of having a file called "overlay.css" in a directory called "cpp_adblock-v.04-linux", you have a file called "cpp_adblock-v.04-linux\overlay.css". [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:10] is there a command that can replace all the \ in file names with a -? [06:11] so i dont have to do it one at a time [06:11] rename [06:12] agney (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) left irc: "users have names only because humans are too stupid to remember numbers." 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[06:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:25] freemanen: so either use a character set conversion utility, or use an editor that does UTF-8 natively. [06:26] Lego_Bitch (n=BUUU@bl5-231-76.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [06:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [06:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:30] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-008-089.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:31] thanks. What open soucre JRE is best have with linux ppc? [06:33] freemanen: thats a very very difficult question. [06:34] minDscrm (n=mind@160.79.115.4) joined #linuxhelp. [06:34] oki i trying to find anyone that support swing and can work with eclipse and a webbrowser? [06:34] hey guys, is there a way i can read linux partitions inside of windows ? [06:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:36] minDscrm, ya sure. some tool called Partion Magic [06:36] freemanen: that's phenomenally hard. [06:36] aristocrat: not really... [06:36] then maybe Partition Quest? [06:37] minDscrm: there are some tools like that and even drivers to mount Linux filesystems under MS Windows, for 'ext3' and perhaps ReiserFS filesystems. [06:37] oki [06:37] minDscrm: for 'ext3' there are a few MS Windows 'explorers', and a couple of drivers. [06:37] freemanen: AFAIK the only open source JRE that can run Eclipse is GCJ, and _maybe_ that works on PPC. [06:38] Blissex .. thanks [06:38] freemanen: the only other JRE that currently is reasonably complete is Kaffe, and IIRC it has a PPC mode, but who knows. [06:38] kasc_ (n=kasc@dsl-082-083-182-098.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:39] freemanen: I would suspect that the non opensource IBM JRE works well on PPC. But look perhaps at their research Jikes JRE, that might support PPC too. [06:39] minDscrm: I think I have some links to such utlities/drivers if that's what you are looking for. [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:41] Neur0newserver (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [06:41] alright, i'm on ext2fsd site right n ow on sourceforge [06:41] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-54-78.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:42] there Do I find AFAIK. [06:42] ? [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:45] freemanen: there are some PPCLinux channels, and some Java channels, they may know more. [06:46] oki I will try that [06:46] any linux ppc channel and java channel you know? [06:47] winditup (n=winditup@host-n3-82-166.telpol.net.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [06:47] freemanen: #PPCLinux and #Java for example :-) [06:47] can't go to the java channel? [06:48] netfiend (i=st@vn1021.pool.pro-lan.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:48] freemanen: well, more precisely it is ##Java, and I suspect that it is one of the channels you can access only if you are registered with Freenode's NickServ, which takes two mins. [06:48] freemanen: also try the #GCJ channel on IRC.ORTC.net [06:48] ludde (n=ludde@212214122241-GARDA-NET.host.songnetworks.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:49] how does the nickserver work? [06:49] kasc (n=kasc@dsl-084-060-105-065.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:50] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [06:50] freemanen: /msg NickServ help [06:51] minDscrm: thats one of them... [06:52] Schumie (n=Schumie@spanner.hiway.co.uk) left irc: [06:52] minDscrm: the resources page has links to the others. [06:52] http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/resources/resources.htm [06:53] Neur0newserver (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [06:54] chandoo (n=chandoo@cpe-66-67-218-119.rochester.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:54] netfiend (i=st@vn1021.pool.pro-lan.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [06:55] hi :) [06:55] i have a question , i am running 2.6.13 kernel when i run yum it is asking for 2.6.12 /lib/modules can i make a soft link in /lib/modules for 2.6.12, is this okay or a blunder [06:59] _Neur0FX (i=haptics0@modemcable230.79-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:59] zoly (n=l@tor/session/x-7c8cfecdddf40802) joined #linuxhelp. [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:00] g'day [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:04] so -ldc1394_control -lz -lm [07:04] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltheora_pic [07:04] collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [07:04] make[2]: *** [flashplayer] Fel 1 [07:04] i have installed libtheora but still got this problem. why? [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:05] i have run sudo make clean [07:08] Blissex ... alright [07:08] thanks Blissex [07:08] OuterSpace (n=me1@201.254.178.93) joined #linuxhelp. [07:09] hi, im using named, how can i make it resolv hosts in /etc/hosts ? (to not add lot of zones just for 1 host on each) [07:09] chandoo: bad idea, binary modules are usually version specific. [07:09] OuterSpace: you cant. [07:09] freemanen: you probabl got to add the path where you put the Theora lib. [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:10] OuterSpace: programs however use both '/etc/hosts' and DNS to resolve. So it should not matter a lot. [07:10] OuterSpace: in any case there are some scripts that convert '/etc/hosts' to zonefiles. [07:11] the poroblem is with clients... so i suppose ill just add em [07:11] thanx, and bye [07:11] OuterSpace (n=me1@201.254.178.93) left irc: Client Quit [07:13] freemanen (n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:21] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:21] would there be any reason why I'd have ssh-agent executing ~/.Xsession ? [07:22] psyklops: thats odd, and it would do that only if you have begged it to do so... [07:22] thought so, and no I haven't [07:22] yeah, guess this guy really made himself at home on my box... [07:22] psyklops: hehehe. [07:24] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [07:24] Tcl error in script for 'timer922952': [07:24] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [07:24] what would be the point for ssh-agent to execute ~/.Xsession ? provided .Xsession is what it's supposed to and not just a way to rename a file to pass unwatched [07:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:25] I thought it was someone running X over ssh [07:25] wasn't really sure [07:25] but I didn't do it [07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [07:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:30] well, it's supposed to be the other way around, .Xsession starting ssh-agent, that's what I dont get [07:32] ssh-agent is used to cache ssh keys, and, as also the man says, it's likely to be started when u start X, so .xsession is a valid place to do that [07:32] in ps it was something like /usr/bin/ssh-agent /home/user/.Xsession [07:33] Jurples (n=root@60-240-167-36.tpgi.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [07:34] psyklops: uhm, that's weird... [07:34] hi my mozilla-firefox gives 2 xlib errors and Gtk-warning : cannot open display [07:34] Jurples: it's unsafe to irc as root. please logout and log back as a normal user [07:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:35] because u're logged into X as user and trying to run mozilla-firefox as root probably. [07:35] 82.154.221.135 [07:35] bum... [07:36] ehehe, I know that ip :) [07:36] Jurples (n=root@60-240-167-36.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:37] shevegen (n=adh4@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at) joined #linuxhelp. [07:37] you do? [07:37] at least the subnet [07:37] got a question about kernel compilation. after make bzImage , is it needed to do make modules, or is that redundant? (i speak about the newer kernels... 2.6.13 and so [07:37] really? why are they sending to radmin port? [07:38] who is that [07:38] yes, u're not likely to forget such funny text in whois :) [07:39] hmm another source cites just "# make && make modules_install" [07:39] ahhh funny, Isee [07:39] :) [07:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:40] well, you have a story to go with him? because it really seems otherwise [07:40] psyklops: no, I haven't, I haven't neither the time nor the will to deal with skiddies and infected windoze boxes [07:41] well if it's fairly common it makes me curious [07:41] psyklops: I just got to know that subnet bcause I received an impressive amount of scans, which have been detected and reported to me with whois atached etc [07:41] psyklops: what is fairly common? [07:41] slashdot (n=vidarlo@unaffiliated/slashdot) joined #linuxhelp. [07:42] you recognized the IP right off [07:43] I see [07:44] Lego_Bitch (n=BUUU@bl5-231-76.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [07:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:45] psyklops: radmin / ms-sql / 1025-1026 / www /ssh ports are the most targeted these days [07:45] well... don't know what to do but wipe and restart from scratch with more security in mind [07:46] yeah, _someone_ (not necessarily this guy) found ssh and my user/pass were insanely stupid [07:46] changed them now [07:46] and I still get the feeling they're in [07:47] radmin because that is supposed to give u full control of the box with very easy effort because of an old bug. idem for ms-sql. 1025/26 is used by a common trojan, www for open proxy, and ssh for bruteforcing attacks [07:47] heh... who needs to bruteforce user:user ;) [07:47] shevegen, do you want to install only modules, or a new kernel? [07:48] next discussion, how does DSL manage to pull of 50 MB? I could only get debian down to 800 MB [07:48] I'd install DSL to the HD if not for how hackish it is [07:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:50] psyklops: mostly recompiling bins with trimmed down lib [07:50] and u can get debian to work under 200MB [07:50] I can't , but som eone can [07:50] we have debian installs on 200MB disks... [07:50] but u can't even include X, while DSL has verything u need [07:50] I just don't know what's required and what's not [07:51] required for what? [07:51] to operate [07:52] I see stuff like /bin/[ and I don't know what that file is for or if it is actually required by anything [07:52] Jurples (n=Jurples@60-240-167-36.tpgi.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [07:53] /usr/bin/[ actually [07:53] psyklops: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ [07:53] go there, read it *all* [07:53] :) tried to, failed [07:54] try again and don't give up until u succeed [07:54] bad idea to actually try that without lots of time and experience [07:54] I've run nothing but linux for a year and a half [07:54] debian though, pretty... newbie [07:54] no understanding of whats beneath apt [07:54] Triskelios: uh? I don't think so. u just need *lots* of time. the book makes it sort of easy, and there's no better way to understand how linux works [07:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [07:55] im in kde and my mouse is slightly offset to the right [07:56] spike: I had finished making the build environement, took a daylong break, came back and my heart was no longer in it [07:56] spike: being able to follow instructions doesn't necessarily mean you'll learn anything. I mean look at the general cluelessness surrounding gentoo (that's an extreme example though) [07:56] I have this problem with just about anything (this particularly affects schoolwork) that if I don't do something all at once I can't finish it [07:57] and LFS will be a month-long task with my schedule [07:57] Triskelios: that's true, but LFS books is far from being even similar to gentoo instructions to build it up [07:57] maybe I could try gentoo before LFS [07:57] good idea? [07:57] that's by far a worse idea [07:57] can someone help me im in kde and my cursor is offset to the right [07:58] Jurples: offset? [07:58] (where he clicks and where the cursor is graphically located are different) [07:58] right? [07:58] deeLer (n=deeler@194.78.30.14) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [07:58] yup [07:58] no idea what the cause is though [07:59] Shinobi (n=shinobi@pool-141-154-213-51.bos.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:59] so you've heard of this problem before? [07:59] that's pretty unusual.. maybe the particular cursor theme has some corrupted files [07:59] Jurples, i've seen that happen when the driver isn't right for the mouse [08:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [08:00] Writing user file... [08:00] Writing channel file... [08:00] its ok at first, then after some time its suddenly offset [08:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [08:01] nick01 (n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [08:01] driver? i don't remember anything much about the mouse driver [08:01] I'm trying to modprobe a module and I get this: [08:01] bash-3.00# modprobe lirc_gpio [08:01] FATAL: Error inserting lirc_gpio (/lib/modules/2.6.13-ck6/misc/lirc_gpio.ko): Invalid request code [08:03] also, alt+f7 brings me to a black screen where my monitor's LED changes colour and all, i figured (from googling) that this and the mouse problem could be fixed by xfree86 config or something like that (not too sure) [08:04] loq0 (i=ravage@user-2iveanq.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [08:04] nick01: check for anything in dmesg [08:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [08:05] like what ? in the log ? [08:05] Jurples: try changing the mouse protocol used by X [08:05] nick01: in dmesg [08:05] how do i do that? [08:06] Jurples: edit the config (or use whatever tool your distro gave you) [08:06] k [08:06] Triskelios & gnubien .. I got teamspeak client working after I talked to you both last night. turned out that locked file problem of teamspeak was because I was using OSS instead of ALSA and I had to switch to, and then configure,"Threaded OSS a bit bettter".. I have to see if I can solve some problems with ALSA.. but I can live with the Threaded OSS system for now.. [08:06] shevegen (n=adh4@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at) left #linuxhelp ("Verlassend!!!"). [08:07] happy! [08:07] jonkri (n=jon@84-217-39-198.tn.glocalnet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:07] sriram (n=sriram@dsl-Chn-static-114.251.247.61.touchtelindia.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:08] Shinobi: consider reading the OSS and sharing sections of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 for more details about the options available. Also, the app config section might help, [08:08] Thanks again [08:09] Jurples (n=Jurples@60-240-167-36.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:09] Blissex: Thanks I give that a read.. [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/143 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/143 b/17 e/- I/-] [08:10] Have a god Day / Night [08:10] good :-)) [08:11] Shinobi (n=shinobi@pool-141-154-213-51.bos.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:12] martin__ (n=baua@host.ihp-ffo.de) left irc: "Leaving" [08:14] MegaByte (n=x1@201.29.176.152) joined #linuxhelp. [08:14] Is there any sound programmer here? [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/17 e/- I/-] [08:15] I make noise, does it count? [08:16] spike, I need to send an "all sound off" message to my hardware synthesizer and I'm not making it [08:19] nick01 (n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [08:20] regeya (n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:24] Mxyzpltk (n=fede@nat1.inalambrica.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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Is there a way for existing ZSH sessions to be made aware of things as this? [08:48] snupps: 'hash -r' or something similar. [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [08:50] Blissex: Can this be automated or made to happen on a regular interval? [08:50] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9B942.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [08:50] smacnay (n=smacnay@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3567062.sympatico.ca) left irc: Client Quit [08:52] louish (n=louis@66.244.192.226) joined #linuxhelp. [08:52] snupps (n=matttp@user-0c93f16.cable.mindspring.com) left #linuxhelp ("Verlassend"). [08:53] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [08:53] Tcl error in script for 'timer926842': [08:53] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [08:53] CruCarl (n=Crucial@pcp0010865335pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:53] Can somebody give me a hand with setting the PATH w/ interactive and non interactive logins? [08:53] CruCarl: bash? [08:53] yes [08:53] CruCarl, put it into .bashrc [08:54] CruCarl, then source .bashrc in .bash_profile [08:54] CruCarl, done [08:54] for interactive or non? or both? [08:54] CruCarl, .bashrc for non-interactive. sourcing .bashrc in .bash_profile for interactive [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [08:55] blahdeblah (n=paulgear@203-206-19-104.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:55] easy enough, thanks a lot [08:55] sethk: .bashrc for non-login and .bash_profile for login [08:56] Bac9, better to do what I said. [08:56] sethk: you can read .bashrc even when interactivly using bash [08:56] Bac9, so what? [08:56] sethk: just correcting you [08:56] Bac9, not really. he said interactive and non-interactive, but he means login or non-login [08:57] because there is no difference otherwise [08:57] and he is obviously having a problem where is was set in one case and not set in another [08:57] right [08:57] so he thinks its because something was interactive, when in fact it's because something is login [08:57] sethk: when I say intercative/non-interactive I mean a real live person vs a script [08:58] Bac9, you do, yes. but nobody would ask the question unless they are experiencing two situations, one where it is set, and another where it appears not to be [08:59] sethk: and this is one of those [08:59] sethk: although I believe non-interactive also reads .bashrc [08:59] Bac9, that's exactly the point [08:59] sethk: so technocally your solution does apply [08:59] Bac9, that's why he doesn't mean interactive and non-interactive [08:59] technically* [09:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] sethk: I try not to guess what people mean [09:00] Bac9, ok. but telling him that interactive and non-interactive are the same doesn't solve his problem. [09:00] Bac9, my solution solves his problem, whatever it may be [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] sethk: solution yes, explanation... maybe [09:01] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit [09:01] Bac9, you shouldn't penalize someone for using a word incorrectly [09:02] sethk: educating not penalizing [09:02] C_Kode (n=Quizzy@funnel.spiders.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:02] Bac9, come on. you know what he was asking. give him the answer. then if you want to explain the terminology, fine. [09:03] sethk: boredom and geekness is why u got penalized, not much to fight it. [09:03] sethk: actually when I read it I thought he was asking live person vs script [09:03] spike, hey, I like geeks. :) [09:03] It all started when I got this: [09:03] serviceb@sbtest2-> ssh sbtest3 /bin/true [09:03] ORACLE_HOME = [] ? bash: line 1: dbhome: command not found [09:04] CruCarl, everybody understands. we are just quibbling. :) [09:04] ORACLE_HOME? good luck :) [09:04] CruCarl: check your .bashrc (assuming that's your default shell) [09:04] export ORACLE_HOME=/dev/null [09:04] ehehe, that'd help [09:04] C_Kode, be nice [09:04] CruCarl: probably a syntax error or an unknown command somewhere around there [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [09:05] I just happen to be installing Oracle now. hah [09:05] Romster (i=debian-t@tor/session/x-7f56f5ab2a803b0b) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:05] no, no, he is quite correct, it is an undefined environment variable [09:05] sheesh [09:05] Romster (n=Romster@tor/session/x-4a12c29381e5d2c0) joined #linuxhelp. [09:05] so I need to set it before I export it? [09:05] CruCarl, exporting something does noting if it isn't set [09:05] CruCarl, combine the two, as in: export ABC=DEF [09:06] dbhome. What is that? [09:06] got it [09:06] CruCarl, but you need to put the definition into .bashrc, and source .bashrc from .bash_profile [09:06] Lego_Bitch (n=BUUU@bl5-231-76.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] CruCarl, or at least that's probably the easiest way to make sure it is always there [09:07] AzMoo (n=matt@unaffiliated/azmoo) joined #linuxhelp. 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[09:21] Lego_Bitch (n=BUUU@bl5-231-76.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [09:22] didn't they just reverse engineer the wma streaming encryption? [09:22] C_Kode (n=Quizzy@funnel.spiders.net) left #linuxhelp. [09:22] I thought vlc was about to get it [09:24] freemanen (n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se) left #linuxhelp ("Konversation terminated!"). [09:24] amrit: yeah, see #d_, I remember that as well [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [09:25] amrit: and blissex is googlin it out right now because he doesn't believe us :P [09:28] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[10:03] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-155-120.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:03] avinoam (n=avinoam@bzq-84-108-20-214.cablep.bezeqint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:05] mplayer does not currently play wma/wmv v9 stuff [10:09] virsys: not sure about v9, but it does play .wma/.wmv. maybe you need some codecs? [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:10] virsys: i don't remember having problems playing wmv v9 [10:10] i dont either [10:10] Romster (n=Romster@tor/session/x-4a12c29381e5d2c0) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:10] Romster (n=Romster@tor/session/x-f4f09af7062ecef0) joined #linuxhelp. [10:10] of course i installed the w32codec pack. :P [10:11] *shrug* have all the codecs, and up to date, and it just barfs on any wmv/wma v9 stuff here, but it does play wma/v v8 and below nicely.... [10:14] CaseyH_ (n=Casey@c-24-23-46-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:16] im not even sure how you tell the diff tween the 2 files. [10:16] :P [10:17] winditup (n=winditup@host-n3-82-166.telpol.net.pl) joined #linuxhelp. [10:19] freemanen (n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se) joined #linuxhelp. [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:20] ist possible to play drm wma in linux? [10:21] freemanen: drm is unlikely to come to linux anytime soon [10:22] i think there is a way to deDRM them [10:23] un-drm by avoidance :) [10:23] play them on a windows machine and run a cable from audio out to audio in. :P [10:23] Hmm... [10:23] http://www.newtechusa.com/ppi/talent.asp [10:23] I think these are the DRM programmers. [10:24] Lego_Bitch (n=BUUU@bl5-231-76.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [10:24] lesshaste (n=lesshast@84.93.66.69.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:24] what are the best tools to extract text from a pdf file using the command line? [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:25] 'strings' perhaps? [10:25] lesshaste: pdftotext [10:25] actually i do seem to recall some pdf to ascii or html converter ;P [10:25] but it may depend a lot on the pdf file contents and how its done. [10:25] zoly: thanks [10:25] pdf 1.3 [10:25] I saw a LAME pdf catalog - that was just 200 Image scans pasted together. [10:26] is part of xpdf-utils [10:26] couldent cut/paste/search/nothing. :P [10:28] pdftotext looks most suitable [10:29] zoly (n=l@tor/session/x-7c8cfecdddf40802) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:29] xnix (n=xnix@n157s046.ntc.blacksburg.shentel.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:41] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [10:41] Tcl error in script for 'timer928007': [10:41] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [10:42] nick01: try 'mplyer -input keylist' that should give you a full list of all the inputs mplayer accepts [10:42] I did that [10:43] so you know what keys to use, right? [10:43] the rest is just defining what you want the key to do [10:43] speed_incr, speed_mult and speed_set are about speed [10:44] I used speed_ incr +4 to increase the speed but how do I rewind ? [10:44] -_- [10:44] seek [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:45] so seek -4 or how ? [10:45] yes [10:45] -4 would be 4 times the speed back ? [10:45] Sonderblade (n=bjourne@213.131.147.169) left irc: "Lämnar" [10:46] no.. that's seek [10:47] it should go back 4 seconds [10:47] oh ok [10:47] but it'll go back to the closest keyframe near that [10:47] freemanen (n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:48] how do I get mplayer to use the remote as normal user ? it sais it doesn't have permissions [10:48] nick01: 'mplayer -input cmdlist' for a list of all commands you can use. [10:48] nick01: you change permission on the remote device.. [10:49] yeah- any idea how ? [10:49] chown :video /dev/devicename [10:49] or somthing like that [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:50] marculix (n=mgzh@gw.ptr-80-238-205-101.customer.ch.netstream.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:51] chown username /dev/xxx ? [10:51] blimey.. all this money available :) http://www.gnome.org/bounties/Google.html [10:52] nick01: you can do that too [10:53] mako-sama, with seek as u said it only does it once- go forward 4 sec- I want it to go forward until I stop it [10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/17 e/- I/-] [10:55] nick01: i don't think there is such a feature [10:55] LootBeer (i=1000@cm226.omega16.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [10:55] RichART1 (n=RichART1@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [10:55] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9B942.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [10:56] speed_incr +4 lets me go forward at 4 times the speed- it works but I wanna go back too in case I missed something in the movie [10:56] hello...........morning all [10:56] im on KDE and am totally new [10:56] i need help mostly installing/running/opening stuff [10:56] go away ! we're busy ! [10:56] oh no! [10:56] joking :P [10:56] whew [10:57] nice one [10:57] i was like...........all that stuff in the "rules" i just read just got *blasted* [10:57] hehe [10:57] RichART1: the installing bit depends on what distro you have [10:57] KDE [10:57] i believe [10:57] its already setup by my school [10:58] im @ .edu btw [10:58] KDE is the desktop not the distro [10:58] i mean.. fedora, mandriva, suse, or whatever [10:58] ok [10:58] how do i find out what i have? [10:58] told ya, i'm *green* [10:59] RichART1: well.. there is no specific way to know how [10:59] is there a big yellow star instead of a start button ? [10:59] darn! [10:59] is there a big yellow star instead of a start button ? [11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:00] Writing user file... [11:00] Writing channel file... [11:00] RichART1: by the way, you'll need admin (root) access to install programs. you have that ? [11:00] i guess so [11:00] coz in windows i can't install/run YM companion [11:00] i can here [11:00] anyone suggest a good shell scripting book for beginers ?? [11:00] RichART1, how does that start button look like ? [11:00] its a multi-colored star [11:00] not just yellow [11:00] mandriva..? [11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [11:01] nope [11:01] not mandriva [11:01] mandriva is yellow [11:01] oh [11:01] RichART1: screeny :p [11:01] type uname -a [11:01] and paste here [11:01] Please [11:01] I need the help of a sound programmer [11:02] i'm in the java thingy [11:02] not a *real* IRC [11:02] can i still do it [11:02] RichART1: do what nick said.. [11:02] i know how in windows [11:03] uname -a [11:03] in a terminal [11:03] RichART1: not here.. do it in an xterm [11:03] not irc [11:03] lol [11:03] winditup (n=winditup@host-n3-82-166.telpol.net.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [11:03] kyncani (n=kyncani@82.250.10.193) left irc: "ZzZ" [11:03] there's 2 Terminals: Super User Mode & reg. [11:03] which? [11:04] whichever [11:04] k [11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:06] uname a-/afs/acpub/users/a/t/att/print.pdf [11:06] is that it? [11:06] no [11:06] i didnt think so [11:06] i'm in KOnsole? [11:06] u type uname -a [11:06] and then press enter [11:06] oh ok [11:06] Action: RichART1 smacking his `ford [11:06] lol [11:07] Linux carr13.oit.duke.edu 2.6.9-11.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Jun 8 17:54:20 CDT 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [11:07] gnu? [11:07] yeah- that doesn't say much [11:07] nice [11:07] just my luck [11:07] type rpm [11:07] k [11:08] see if u get anything [11:08] RichART1 (n=RichART1@carr13.oit.duke.edu) left irc: Excess Flood [11:09] RichART1 (n=RichART1@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [11:09] hehe [11:09] sorry [11:09] zoly (n=l@tor/session/x-984148a93ca8bc89) joined #linuxhelp. [11:09] don't paste an entire page [11:09] rikght [11:09] 2 or 3 lines [11:09] do [11:09] tmp_user (n=aa9b0305@gut75-1-82-67-177-110.fbx.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:09] ok, what are (we) looking for? [11:09] hello dudes [11:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:10] sup tmp_user [11:10] to see if u have rpm installed- if u get output u have it [11:10] i have a file which name is --.xml [11:10] zoly (n=l@tor/session/x-984148a93ca8bc89) left irc: Client Quit [11:10] but am unable to delete it, because of its filename [11:10] output? [11:10] can someone give me a clue of how to erase it ? [11:10] what u get after u press enter [11:10] serveradas 2005-09-27 # rm --.xml [11:10] it got lots.........obviously [11:10] do u get a nice list with options how to use rpm ? [11:10] tmp_user: rm - --.xml [11:11] k [11:11] Usage: rpm [-aKfgpqV] [-aKfgpqVcdils] [-aKfgpqVcdilsaKfgpqV] [-aKfgpqVcdilsaKfgpqV] [-aKfgpqVcdilsaKfgpqVK] [-aKfgpqVcdilsaKfgpqVK] [-aKfgpqVcdilsaKfgpqVKi] [-aKfgpqVcdilsaKfgpqVKiv] [-aKfgpqVcdilsaKfgpqVKiv] [-aKfgpqVcdilsaKfgpqVKiv?] [-a [11:11] i think so [11:11] yeah [11:11] k [11:11] type yast [11:11] mako-sama: it didnt work, still have the same error message [11:11] k [11:11] rm: unrecognized option `--.xml' [11:11] tmp_user: rm -- --xml [11:11] Action: mako-sama forgot how to do it [11:12] zoly (n=l@tor/session/x-a51ed67240919c20) joined #linuxhelp. [11:12] yast: Command not found. [11:12] type mcc [11:12] got sth [11:12] ? [11:12] sth = something [11:12] k [11:13] is a control center starting ? [11:13] nope [11:13] :/ [11:13] heh [11:13] it listed some stuff though [11:13] RichART1: try ls -l /usr/bin/*-c++ [11:13] should be one line, paste it [11:13] ok [11:13] RichART1, what stuff ? [11:13] usr/lib/gcc/i386-redhat-linux/3.4.3/../../../crt1.o(.text+0x18): In function `_start': : undefined reference to `main' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [11:14] red hat [11:14] nice idea [11:14] never thought of that [11:14] i think the typed ld instead of ls, but whatever, that works :) [11:14] im wearing a black Tim hat, but ty anyway [11:14] RichART1: hehe [11:14] he [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:15] ok so now what? [11:15] can someone remind me how to mount an ntfs partition so any user can read it please? [11:15] RichART1, I wonder if that's red hat or fedora [11:16] both red hat products [11:16] says red hat [11:16] yeah [11:16] lesshaste: mount with umask=755 [11:16] let's go w/ one 1st then proceed w/ another [11:16] nick01: fedora would have apt.. that's one way to check [11:16] apt? [11:16] wasn't it called somthing else ? [11:16] fedora has apt by default ? didn't know that [11:16] food thing [11:16] yum :) [11:17] yum [11:17] yeah [11:17] hmmmmmmmmmm [11:17] o - k [11:17] oh yum, sorry.. not very familiar with fedora :) [11:18] ls: -: No such file or directory i386-redhat-linux-c++: no input files [11:18] anyway it's a recent version with gcc 3.4.3 [11:18] so probably fedora [11:18] Action: mako-sama thinks FC2 [11:18] or rhel 4 ? [11:19] one way to find out [11:19] RichART1: from the supervisor console (or as su, or as root) key in "urpmi" , no quotes, and the means hit enter. if you get a listing, it's Mandriva [11:19] it's red hat thing [11:19] doesn't cat /etc/issue tell? [11:19] RichART, but it sounds like RH to me too. [11:19] where's the supervisor console [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:20] is that Terminal too? [11:20] R: in the console you are in , key in "su" and give it the root password, then do the urpmi thing [11:20] RHEL 4 comes with gcc 3.4.3 so it could be it [11:20] I looked on distrowatch [11:20] kyncani (n=kyncani@82.250.31.88) joined #linuxhelp. [11:21] like this: su urpmi ?? [11:21] R: you may have a file /etc/version that gives the release. [11:21] no [11:21] oh ok [11:21] su then enter [11:21] R: no First su then urpmi [11:21] k [11:22] but there's no point - it's red hat- why check for mandriva [11:22] i won't do it then [11:22] nick01: ok no point then [11:22] do wanna mess my 'chine [11:22] you won't with those commands [11:22] so let's say its Fedora/RedHat, now what [11:22] u could try it anyway [11:22] nothing to lose [11:23] how do i install/run stuff? [11:23] r: and uname -r or uname -a doesn't yield the release? [11:23] type yum as root [11:23] nope [11:23] tried that [11:24] [att@carr13 ~]$ su Password: su: incorrect password [11:24] R: nick01 is right, do the "su" in the console, become root, then "yum". [11:24] nothing doing [11:24] ok [11:24] enter the right password [11:24] noob__ (n=noob@65.196.129.67) left irc: Client Quit [11:24] [att@carr13 ~]$ su Password: su: incorrect password [11:24] yum's not it either [11:24] RichART, yeah, not the word "password" but the root's password [11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:25] lol [11:25] haha [11:25] i did "su" [11:25] then enter [11:25] Romsterr (i=_tor@tor/session/x-570bd0c1329426e3) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:25] mo quotes [11:25] then typed "yum" [11:25] enter [11:25] neoXite (n=neoxite@xdsl-81-173-153-97.netcologne.de) joined #linuxhelp. [11:25] no quotes [11:25] nothing [11:25] nope [11:25] didnt quotes [11:25] u need to know the password for root [11:25] yum is not it [11:25] RichART: are you root yet? [11:25] i guess not [11:26] that's admin stuff huh? [11:26] if not, the command won't be found. [11:26] RichART1, yes [11:26] danggit [11:26] so there's no running stuff i guess [11:26] there's all kinds of running,, just little installing [11:26] only root (the admin ) can install stuff [11:27] ok, what about the ChatZilla ext in my Mozilla? [11:27] how 'bout that? [11:27] as we speak [11:27] how do i access that? [11:27] Click on Window/IRC Chat [11:27] im chatting to on java, not the actual client [11:27] if it's installed it should be in the menu [11:27] ok, and? [11:27] and start it :P [11:28] menu where? [11:28] main menu- internet section I guess [11:28] mozilla's main menu [11:28] yeah [11:28] ok, got it [11:28] now, how do i connect to you guys there? [11:29] :D [11:29] the same way u connected with that java thing [11:29] the easy way is to add us in your preferences [11:29] CiRkiT (n=Naruko@c-24-10-108-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:29] CiRkiT (n=Naruko@c-24-10-108-132.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:30] R: edit/preferences/Chatzilla/startup/autoconnect/add [11:30] its saying: Network ~ Channel ~ User.....tabs [11:30] i selected Network [11:31] i put irc.freenode.net [11:31] or go to network and connect to freenode [11:31] teel (n=woot@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:453d:3ef3) joined #linuxhelp. [11:31] yes [11:31] Nick10: help me here... "/join irc.freenode" [11:31] then there's a box for "Target" [11:31] no [11:31] nick01 (n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [11:31] nick01 (n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [11:32] /server irc.freenode.net [11:32] no double slash before the irc? [11:32] no [11:33] then /join #linuxhelp ? [11:33] yup [11:34] snilloc72 (n=chatzill@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [11:34] Im RichART1 also [11:34] thx for all ur help [11:34] R: once you get here in Chatzilla, you can right click on the #linuxhelp tab, and select "Open this channel at startup" [11:34] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-54-78.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:34] [INFO] will now open at startup. [11:34] snilloc72, then it's all on auto once you start chatzilla [11:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:35] I am having trouble getting wine to work at all [11:35] I get "err:module:import_dll Library ole32.dll (which is needed by L"c:\\windows\\system\\shlwapi.dll") not found" [11:35] yep [11:35] tmp_user (n=aa9b0305@gut75-1-82-67-177-110.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "CGI:IRC" [11:35] which is odd as it is in /mnt/ntfs/WINDOWS/system32/ole32.dll but not /mnt/ntfs/WINDOWS/system [11:35] hop [11:36] how do i "hop" in/out again? [11:36] alunduil (n=alunduil@71-32-30-167.farg.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:36] whuzzat "hop:? [11:36] a cmd to quickly leave/come back again automatically [11:37] i'm a n00b @ linux not IRC [11:37] lol [11:37] maybe its a "windows" thing? [11:37] well, in chatzilla, you can close the tab, and then /join [11:37] p_o_g_o (n=chatzill@mrtcdsl-051.mis.net) left #linuxhelp. [11:37] snilloc72 (n=chatzill@carr13.oit.duke.edu) left #linuxhelp. [11:38] dang [11:38] hehe [11:39] snilloc72 (n=chatzill@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [11:39] buyow! [11:39] this is fun [11:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:40] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-54-78.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:40] how do I set c: in winecfg so that c:\\windows\\system\ looks in ~/.wine/c/windows/system ? [11:43] p_o_g_o (n=chatzill@mrtcdsl-051.mis.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:43] RichART1 (n=RichART1@carr13.oit.duke.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [11:44] RichART1 (n=RichART1@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [11:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:45] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:48] nick01 (n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [11:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [11:50] anyone got google earth to run in wine or anything else? :) [11:51] Alfa|WTF (n=AlfaWolp@12.151.193.50) joined #linuxhelp. [11:52] matt_ (n=matt@82-33-83-247.cable.ubr03.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:52] snilloc72 (n=chatzill@carr13.oit.duke.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:52] RichART1 (n=RichART1@carr13.oit.duke.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:53] snilloc72 (n=chatzill@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. 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[11:58] thx again Pogo [11:58] np [12:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:00] Writing user file... [12:00] Writing channel file... [12:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [12:01] marculix (n=mgzh@gw.ptr-80-238-205-101.customer.ch.netstream.com) left irc: "quit" [12:02] KanFu2 (i=KanFu@p54B5EEE6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:05] is there any source where from i can get the first released linux kernel version ?? [12:05] Punko (n=Snoopie@static-213-240-228-135.megalan.bg) left irc: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win ;)" [12:05] matt_ (n=matt@82-33-83-247.cable.ubr03.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [12:05] gmg9: most probably kernel.org [12:06] there i can only found the 2 series [12:07] anyway, lemme recheck [12:07] gmg9: i have no idea where you looked, but i found the 0.01 there within a few secs... [12:07] Punko (n=Snoopie@static-213-240-228-135.megalan.bg) joined #linuxhelp. [12:08] sleepster (n=Sleepste@64-215-159-30.eosinc.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:08] overnout (n=none@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #linuxhelp. [12:09] can u giveme the link [12:09] i found 1.0 [12:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:10] overnout (n=none@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Client Quit [12:10] CarlFK (n=CarlK@c-67-163-39-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:10] overnout (n=none@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #linuxhelp. [12:10] kasc: ?? [12:12] patricio (n=aa9b0305@gut75-1-82-67-177-110.fbx.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:13] patricio (n=aa9b0305@gut75-1-82-67-177-110.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:14] obscuresoul (n=soul@213.58.27.225) joined #linuxhelp. [12:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/144 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/144 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:16] some1 tell me how to paste screenshots again? [12:16] and to what? [12:16] hi everybody [12:16] sup Punko [12:16] i have a problem with my microfone. when i want to stream to my shoutcast radio server it streams on 16kbps not on 96kbps as it must be [12:16] netfiend (i=st@vn939.pool.pro-lan.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:16] :) [12:18] snilloc72: KDE? Ksnapshot makes .pngs. What is your question about 'and to what' [12:18] snilloc72 use xpaint its easy and usefull :) [12:19] i wanna know how to open those .pngs, convert them to .jpgs, then send them to some/anyone [12:19] gimp, imagemagik, xpaint [12:19] gmg9: Historic/ [12:19] where are those found? [12:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/145 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/145 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:20] kittenbot (n=ribbon@cpc2-bolt4-5-0-cust193.manc.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Meow Meow :)" [12:20] snilloc72: import [12:20] KanFu (i=KanFu@p54B5DC0B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:20] Nick change: KanFu2 -> KanFu [12:20] your menu probably- try keying "gimp' from the console, or look in you menu system [12:20] snilloc72: convert [12:20] nick01: i went to make some tea ;/ [12:21] :P [12:21] glad u're back [12:21] nerp (n=om@cpe-066-057-204-044.sc.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:21] me too [12:21] mako-sama, could u tell me what device I should cjown ? [12:21] chown [12:21] nick01: i don't know.. what device does lirc use ? [12:21] that, you should know :) [12:22] netbots: error - update check recipients 'YourNick' are invalid. [12:22] :/ [12:22] it might be one of the serial ports [12:22] it uses a kernel module lirc_gpio and a daemon- the remote is a tv tuner remote [12:22] nick01: the IR receiver is a serial device ? [12:22] dev/irda ? [12:23] Zorab (n=charles@69.15.248.2) joined #linuxhelp. [12:23] it is connected to the tuner itself [12:23] Algo2 (i=Algo@pcp0011621577pcs.southk01.tn.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:23] nick01: i have no experience with that. [12:23] let's see [12:23] nick01: can you check your syslog ? [12:23] StevenR-laptop (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [12:23] any of you people know of a tool or utility I can use to search a dir for duplicate files? (trying to search for duplicate mp3's in my music dir 20+GB) [12:24] it should show what name was assigned to the device [12:24] mp3riot [12:24] p_o_g_o, no /dev/irda [12:24] nick01: dunno then [12:24] How can I get Mandrake 10.1 to view the shared network files on network with other windows machines? I have it connected to a router and the MS machines have a network setup called MSHOME [12:24] mp3riot? was that aimed at me? [12:24] nerp: yes [12:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:25] mako-sama, thanks [12:25] algo2 smbclient -L //sharename [12:25] nerp, for dupes in same dir, fdupes [12:25] zoly what about subdirs? [12:25] Schiz0 (n=Steve@pool-68-163-52-30.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:26] what should i set my Tile Cache Size in GIMP to? [12:26] nerp, identical names? [12:26] zoly, yes [12:26] nerp: how about you try this : http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=duplicate§ion=projects [12:26] Norky_ (n=dan@byzantium.force9.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [12:26] mako-sama, danke [12:26] I'm looking into installing a desktop, before I was running fluxbox on a 550mhz processer, and I'm wondering what some opinions are between fluxbox and kde...I used kde a while ago, but a new version came out and I haven't seen it yet. [12:26] Right now I'm running on a 2.66ghz processer with a gig of ram, so it shouldn't be bad cpu/mem heavy wise, I'm guessing [12:27] nerp: script something with find or ls -R , sort output, uniq -c [12:27] Schiz0: kde's very nice. [12:27] Schiz0: but if you don't need more features than you have in fluxbox, then *shrug* [12:27] Schiz0 You could try xfce [12:27] pmts (n=pmts@p54A3C05E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:28] Zorab- I've heard of that..what's it more like, kde or fluxbox? [12:28] It's more like Windows XP! [12:28] Schiz0: it's sorta in the middle. still fairly lgihtweight, though. [12:28] *lightweight. [12:28] Is there anyway I can have the whole network show up in a folder view like mounting it? [12:28] Schiz0: It is closer to fluxbox, but has more features [12:28] it's more like xfce.. [12:28] hm [12:28] nick01? [12:28] I'll look into it, thanks [12:28] may i pm u dude? [12:28] yes ? [12:28] yeah [12:28] k [12:29] but I think u have to be registered first [12:29] u can try [12:29] netfiend (i=st@vn939.pool.pro-lan.net) left irc: [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:30] algo2: linneighborhood and the like, but I've never found them too effective [12:30] neoXite (n=neoxite@xdsl-81-173-153-97.netcologne.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:31] bop1 (i=booz@bzq-80-0-97.red.bezeqint.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:34] nick01: u see me in pm now? [12:34] yes [12:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:35] u see my question in there/ [12:35] ? [12:35] yes [12:35] can u see the answer ? [12:36] wonder why [12:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:41] Schiz0 (n=Steve@pool-68-163-52-30.phil.east.verizon.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [12:43] rickest (n=rickest@rtc-gw.ronan.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.1.4" [12:43] teel (n=woot@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:453d:3ef3) left irc: "leaving" [12:44] cavalry (n=cavalry@ottoman.cnnet.upr.edu) left irc: "KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'" [12:44] rickest (n=rickest@rtc-gw.ronan.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:45] snilloc72 (n=chatzill@carr13.oit.duke.edu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.65 [Mozilla rv:1.7.10/20050910]" [12:46] snilloc72 (n=chatzill@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [12:46] RichART1 (n=Jr@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [12:47] p_o_g_o: thanks. linneighborhood works good enough for me :D [12:47] cool [12:49] algo2: it will fail between networks and firewalls [12:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:51] I am doing ssh sbtest3 /bin/true and getting 'ORACLE_HOME = [] ? bash: line 1: dbhome: command not found', but I cannot find where this command is coming from to fix it ? [12:51] /msg nickserv link snilloc72 squirt [12:51] oh danggit [12:52] that isn't my pass for that btw [12:52] lol [12:52] Action: nick01 takes note of snilloc72's password [12:53] lol [12:54] vf [12:54] too bad its wrong tho [12:54] lol [12:54] cp: failed to preserve ownership for `data/user/.bashrc': Operation not permitted [12:54] as root... [12:54] that's Y its showing, i totally fudged-it-up! [12:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/17 e/- I/-] [12:55] Action: snilloc72 covers his mouth & leaves to get the *soap* [12:55] psyklops: destination fs? [12:56] vfat [12:56] vfat doesn't store unix perms [12:56] ah yes [12:56] xnyx (n=not@206-45-185-99.static.mts.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:56] operation not possible [12:57] xnyx (n=not@206-45-185-99.static.mts.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:58] everyone from Romania raise their hands! [12:58] lol [12:58] why ? [12:58] put'em up? [12:58] heheh, just a WHOIS joke [12:59] my baaa [12:59] -d [13:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:00] Writing user file... [13:00] Writing channel file... [13:00] RichART1 (n=Jr@carr13.oit.duke.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [13:00] _freemanen (n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se) joined #linuxhelp. [13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [13:01] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|afk [13:03] _freemanen (n=freemane@h30n2fls22o1051.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:04] my pass is not working [13:04] how do i change it? [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:05] to identify yourself ? [13:05] on irc ? [13:06] chodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-155-120.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [13:06] yes [13:06] punkcut (n=punkcut@64-121-11-26.c3-0.sfpo-ubr2.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Success [13:06] /nickserv identify [13:07] /nickserv identify password [13:08] i'll just keep this window [13:08] im tired [13:09] i'll loggin onto a windows OS in about 30 mins [13:09] easier [13:09] hehe [13:09] sheesh! [13:09] Action: snilloc72 holds his aching head [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:11] snilloc: fwiw, my pw seems busted here too, and the "you must be registered to PM" ignores that I AM registered... [13:12] dang! that suck0rz [13:12] well i'm @ http://members1.playboyplus.com/members/ to soothe my pain [13:12] lol [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:15] get a girlfriend. [13:15] oops [13:15] can't........this is cheaper! [13:15] hehe [13:15] blueyed (n=daniel@i53870C42.versanet.de) joined #linuxhelp. [13:16] get a girlfriend with a job... [13:16] and a car [13:16] and an apartment? [13:16] punkcut (n=punkcut@64-121-11-26.c3-0.sfpo-ubr2.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:16] ok [13:16] Yamabushi (n=Yamabush@ip68-102-249-200.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:17] how easy is it to convert an ext3 partition to fat32? I had problems when copying "high-char" filenames on it under win xp; I think fat32 might be better to hold files for both worlds. [13:17] douglas (n=douglas@pcp02819991pcs.lwrswt01.pa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:17] Yamabushi (n=Yamabush@ip68-102-249-200.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:22] blueyed: as root back up the source, mkfs -t vfat /dev/whatever, copy them back [13:22] ico2 (n=ico2@modem-5.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [13:22] what do i use to view movies? [13:22] is there any good reason why lilo would fail to boot the kernel on a VIA EPIA-M10000, but boot it just fine on an old acer, they are both i686, and the disk is the same, just getting swapped over (in both cases being primary master). Lilo was installed correctly and the kernel it is told to boot does exist, it fails with L 01 02 03 (etc), i have seen this error before, in that case the kernel didnt exist, in this case: it exists, and as [13:22] i said: this is the same disk. I remember seeing something about via chipsets in kernel configuration, but cannot find it, can anyone help? [13:22] snilloc72: xine or mplayer [13:23] k [13:23] p_o_g_o: that wasn't the question. question was "how easy..." [13:23] p_o_g_o: is "cp -a" alright for copying? [13:23] p_o_g_o: converting would be better, because it would not include re-partitioning. [13:24] b: cp -a works OK- it won't get somethings like /dev, but that doesn't sound like an issue [13:24] Yamabushi: i gotz neither [13:24] mplayer is best [13:24] then install them [13:24] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-35-157.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:25] snillic72: or vlc [13:25] i prefer xine [13:25] RichART1 (n=Jr@carr13.oit.duke.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [13:25] now vlc, Im very familiar with [13:25] mplayer handles subtitles better- that's why I like it :P [13:25] blueyed: you are not re-partitioning, just re-formatting [13:25] oh ok, googling........... [13:25] ah. ive never had any problems with subtitles [13:25] ^wolf^ (n=wolf@p549074B0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:26] p_o_g_o: ah, well. thanks :) [13:26] blueyed: make your backups...right? [13:26] lesshaste (n=lesshast@84.93.66.69.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] yep, later, p_o_g_o :) [13:26] no my shell is not freaking clean... and I can't find out where its dirty [13:27] but before mkfs [13:27] psyklops (n=psyklops@252.192.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:29] i got GIMP working whew! [13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [13:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/151 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/151 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:30] snilloc72: it's a big gun for what you wanted- convert ( a piece of imagemagik) is a straight cli to make jpgs from pngs [13:31] yeah [13:31] but a fine app- I use it a lot [13:31] i converted them easier w/ KSnapshot [13:34] i'll learn it though, eventually [13:34] trin (n=trin@231.192.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) joined #linuxhelp. [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/152 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/152 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:35] blahdeblah (n=paulgear@203-206-19-104.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [13:37] microsoft for life!!! [13:38] moo. 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[13:44] rickest (n=rickest@rtc-gw.ronan.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.1.5" [13:45] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [13:45] Tcl error in script for 'timer934132': [13:45] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:47] that doesn't make sense p_o_g_o [13:48] Yama: can i pm you? [13:49] im in X-chat, how can i chat in two chans @ the same time w/-out disconn the current one? [13:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/149 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/149 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:50] blueyed (n=daniel@i53870C42.versanet.de) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [13:51] RichART1: you just /join the 2nd channel [13:52] like '/join #fedora' for example :) [13:52] Nick change: chodapp -> CHodapp [13:52] nick01 (n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [13:53] ok, two diff networks/chans then? [13:53] is that possible? [13:53] sure [13:53] how? [13:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/147 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/147 b/17 e/- I/-] [13:55] first you do '/newserver' then in that new server tab, you do '/server $address_of_server' [13:55] where $address_of_server is what it says [13:56] then you can join channels there using the same join command i told you about before.. [13:57] <^wolf^> you can even type /newserver $address_of_new_server [13:57] How can I tell if I have wireless extensions? [13:59] Lego_Bitch (n=Lego_Bit@bl5-203-1.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/148 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/148 b/17 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:02] RichART1 (n=Jr@carr13.oit.duke.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] regeya (n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/146 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/146 b/17 e/- I/-] [14:05] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-008-089.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. 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[14:51] _kaos_: backup, partition, format, restore, fix lilo and fstab [14:51] Norky_ (n=dan@byzantium.force9.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] ok I think it has wireless [14:51] _kaos_: parted may be able to do it without erasing data on the disk, too [14:51] <_kaos_> what do you mean backup? [14:52] _kaos_: but I'd just leave it like it is, why do you want to change it? [14:52] How can I tell if it has sysctl turned on? [14:52] <_kaos_> so i can use the other 100gigs on the drive [14:52] <_kaos_> hda2 Primary Linux ext2 106.93 [14:52] <_kaos_> Unusable 0.04* hda1 Boot Primary W95 FAT32 (LBA) 20867.51* hda5 Logical Linux swap / Solaris 1019.94 [14:52] <_kaos_> hda4 Primary Linux ReiserFS 29997.60 [14:52] <_kaos_> Unusable 111929.62 [14:52] <_kaos_> ahh, sorry :( [14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/17 e/- I/-] [14:55] Zorab (n=charles@69.15.248.2) left #linuxhelp. [14:55] Zorab (n=charles@69.15.248.2) joined #linuxhelp. [14:57] intelikey (n=root@0-1pool88-172.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:58] laptop ? what was the dev name for pc cards under the old style dev ? [14:59] Algo2 (i=Algo@pcp0011621577pcs.southk01.tn.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [15:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/17 e/- I/-] [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:01] or if anyone has dsl running on a lappy that is where i'm trying to find my 3com pc-card modem. but don't know the dev name ? [15:03] kyncani (n=kyncani@82.250.31.88) left irc: Client Quit [15:03] intelikey: You can try lspci to list your devices. [15:03] inx|Jake0 (i=jake0@spc1-lanc1-5-0-cust232.asfd.broadband.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:04] right this might be a bit of a silly question, but is there a way i can find out what kind of ram i have in? (i mean like, simm, SDRAM DDRAM) e.t.c? 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[15:29] hmm ,, [15:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [15:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/17 e/- I/-] [15:30] obscuresoul (n=soul@213.58.27.225) left irc: Connection timed out [15:30] nice.. [15:30] can you get it to print on one line? [15:31] i mean remocve the head whit space [15:31] i mead to learn sed ... lol [15:31] need [15:31] err and how to spell [15:32] and how to ask questions.. i have no idea what you want right now, heh [15:32] okay [15:32] i want this... [15:32] word howdy do [15:32] to [15:32] howdy do [15:32] ? [15:34] oh... [15:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/17 e/- I/-] [15:35] sed -n 's/^\( *\)\(.*\)\(\)\(.*\)/\2\4/p' ? [15:35] amrit, write that three times without making a mistake. :) [15:35] heh heh [15:36] omg that is awsome [15:36] :) [15:36] mushooikes: that would be only spaces... if you want to include things like tab, replace \( *\) with \([]*\) [15:37] sethk: does that count as the third time? ;) [15:37] amrit, sure, I'm easy. :) [15:37] well i want to keep every thing after word [15:37] like if it was a command string [15:37] sethk: hehe, ok [15:38] Hey. [15:38] Yo. [15:38] I've got an AC'97 Intel Chip... [15:38] I'm using ALSA to try and play music... [15:38] I've hooked up a speaker to my Machine... [15:39] Its mike output goes into my Machine's mike output. [15:39] I'm continuing this pattern... [15:39] doh! you broke it [15:39] And I'm doing 'alsaplayer mymp3.mp3'... [15:39] It's playing, but I get no sound. [15:39] Any ideas? [15:39] rusty- (n=G33k@62.139.81.201) joined #linuxhelp. [15:39] I have a problem with my D-Link DSL router, every few days it stopped responding, and I feel that's almost hanged, I have to restart the router in order to make it work again. [15:39] Capso, you don't really mean "its mike output goes into my machine's mike output", do you? [15:39] check alsamixer, make sure your volumes are up, and channels not muted [15:39] That didn't happen with me before with my old router Speedtouch 500. [15:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/17 e/- I/-] [15:40] Err... [15:40] Sethk: Its mike output goes into my Machine's mike input. [15:40] rusty-: sounds like a crappy router. ask d-link to replace it. [15:40] Capso: also, "mic" ;) [15:40] Capso, ah, that's a bit more sensible. By the way, it's mic, for microphone [15:40] rickest (n=rickest@rtc-gw.ronan.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.1.5" [15:40] Yes, okay. [15:41] mike's output going into mic's input just sounds nasty. [15:41] Heh. [15:41] No matter... [15:41] By the way, it says "Mic [Off]"... [15:41] thanks amrit i can now text message my PC and make it do commands :) [15:41] "Master [Off]" [15:41] The alsamixer says everything is off. [15:41] Any ideas? [15:41] Capso, turn everything on [15:41] Lego_Bitch (n=Lego_Bit@bl5-203-1.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:42] Sethk: How? [15:42] It's CLI... what's the Command to turn it on? [15:42] "m" ? [15:42] Capso, my alsamixer is not cli [15:42] sethk: I think SO [15:43] rusty-, I have it before my very eyes [15:43] Sethk: Yes, it is. [15:43] Capso, no, it isn't. I'm running it. [15:43] Sethk: It is indeed. [15:43] Sethk: You must be running a GUI version. [15:43] Capso, no, it isn't. how are you running it? [15:43] Capso, the only version i have. [15:43] Sethk: I'm running the CLI version. [15:43] Capso, run the other version, then [15:43] Okay, well... I'm running CLI. [15:44] alsamixer is an ncurses mixer program for use with the ALSA soundcard [15:44] drivers. It supports multiple soundcards with multiple devices. [15:44] from the man page [15:44] mushooikes: hehe, cool [15:44] Sethk: CLI, nCurses... same thing to me... I'm running it inside of a Terminal, in any case. [15:44] Capso, I'm running it in a terminal also. [15:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/17 e/- I/-] [15:45] Capso, I'm running it in konsole [15:45] it's not a gui program [15:45] it's a ncurses program [15:45] Correct. [15:45] which means it runs in a terminal [15:45] Now, let's not debate upon that. [15:45] Getting it to work is more important to me. [15:45] amrit you want my scirpt? [15:45] Capso, nothing to debate. A curses program runs in a terminal, period. [15:45] Still no sound. [15:45] Capso, so run it the way it should be run, and set the levels, and you are done [15:45] it was in a 2600 [15:45] ... It's considered "CLI" to me. [15:45] i fixed the problems [15:46] Sethk: ... I turned everything on. [15:46] Capso, good [15:46] Sethk: And turned up the volume on everything. [15:46] mushooikes: i don't use text messaging, but sure.. [15:46] Sethk: Still no sound. [15:46] Capso, good start [15:46] Capso, does alsamixer reflect volumes for the channels that actually exist? [15:46] Capso, make sure you check input as well as output volumes [15:47] I think so. [15:47] Capso, did you say you are testing with aplay? [15:47] alsaplayer [15:47] well i sent it .. i need to fix my friends [15:47] sendmail [15:47] the cli program is amixer. [15:48] the one that says [off], etc. [15:48] mushooikes (n=mushooik@adsl-68-89-11-61.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:48] Sethk: I'm playing the MP3 with alsaplayer [15:49] Sethk: And I'm changing the settings with alsamixer [15:49] Capso, try play and aplay on a wav file [15:49] Sethk: I am receiving no sound. [15:49] Capso, that is the simplest way [15:49] I have no wav files. [15:49] Capso, to isolate whether there are player issues or lower level sound issues [15:49] Capso, you don't have /usr/share/sound? [15:49] or /usr/share/sounds? [15:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/17 e/- I/-] [15:50] Ah, I do. [15:50] Capso, good. try play, and aplay, on one [15:50] Capso, at times play (or aplay) will take a long time to play the first time [15:50] Capso, so if it seems to be waiting, let it wait [15:50] Capso, until it gets ownership of the sound device [15:51] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] aplay nor alsaplayer produce a sound when playing /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav [15:51] So, I have no idea what's wrong. [15:51] Capso, try play [15:51] Capso, is a sound server running? [15:52] Such as? [15:52] alsad? [15:52] TheBonsai (n=bonsai@p5493555F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:52] artsd is one, I think the usual gnome one is snd [15:53] TheBonsai (n=bonsai@p54936136.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:53] # artsd [15:53] artsd: error while loading shared libraries: libesd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [15:53] (I'm using FluxBox, by the way.) [15:54] Sethk: So... 'emerge esdl' (Gentoo)? [15:54] Capso, window manager doesn't matter, in general. I didn't say to start a sound server, I asked if one was running [15:54] No. [15:54] Capso, you will need the sound server to use sound with more than one app at a time [15:54] One is not running. [15:54] Capso, but sound should work, without it, for one program at a time [15:54] It isn't running. [15:54] Capso, do lsof and grep for /dev/dsp [15:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [15:55] Doing. [15:55] Nope. [15:55] Not there. [15:55] Capso, ok [15:55] Capso, amixer is now showing you non zero levels on every setting? [15:56] Yes, except phone. [15:56] Capso, phone shouldn't matter, although I would turn it up, just to be thorough [15:56] amixer correctly identifies the sound hardware? [15:57] "Mic Select" is at "Mic2" by the way. [15:57] Yes. [15:57] Capso, hm, can you change it to mic1? [15:57] Sethk: How? [15:57] ce33na (i=tor@tor/session/x-558271e0938bea0f) joined #linuxhelp. [15:57] there are amixer cli arguments, if you won't run alsamixer [15:57] alsamixer identifies it's an Intel ICH5 correctly... [15:57] ce33na (i=tor@tor/session/x-558271e0938bea0f) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] Although, I'm not sure about this: Chip: Analog Devices AD1981B [15:58] Ah, yes... [15:58] Capso, unlikely it identifies part correctly and not the other, but do lspci and verify it. [15:58] Changed it to mic1. [15:58] Capso, good. [15:58] ilsa (n=ilsa@201.230.47.176) left #linuxhelp. [15:58] Capso, but, aplay should have worked as long as your PCM levels and output levels are non-zero [15:58] Capso, play also [15:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws1@dyn209.spar1.nas.panafonet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:59] lspci doesn't list anything about "AD1981B" [15:59] Capso, that's probably still ok [15:59] Capso, that just means it isn't on the PCI bus [15:59] Capso, if you poke around in /proc or /sys you'll probably find it. [15:59] Capso, and dmesg probably shows it. [16:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:00] Writing user file... [16:00] Writing channel file... [16:00] #0: Intel ICH5 with AD1981B at 0xfc480400, irq 17 [16:00] dmesg [16:00] Yep. [16:00] StevenR-laptop (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [16:01] Capso, just to verify, all your playback volume settings are up, all your pcm related settings are up [16:01] Capso, all your "playback switch" things are on? [16:01] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "slackware...simplicity in a tgz package :)" [16:01] Yes. [16:02] Capso, may say things like "joined" [16:02] Joined? [16:02] I don't spot "joined" in alsamixer anywhere. [16:02] Capso, your hardware may not use it [16:02] Capso, don't worry [16:02] as long as nothing says off [16:02] Ah, yea... [16:03] Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined [16:03] ok [16:03] Yep... joined is there. [16:03] Simple mixer control 'Mix',0 [16:03] Capabilities: cswitch cswitch-joined cswitch-exclusive [16:03] Capture exclusive group: 0 [16:03] Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right [16:03] Front Left: Capture [off] [16:03] Front Right: Capture [off] [16:03] Simple mixer control 'Mix Mono',0 [16:03] Hm... [16:03] Says off. [16:03] when you do aplay, or play, does it come back immediately, or does it wait a while? [16:03] Capso, just for grins, turn everything "on", even if it may appear irrelevant [16:03] Waits like a second. [16:04] Sethk: I thought I did... what's the amixer Command to do it? [16:04] Capso, I have to check it, I always use the other mixer version. Something may be resetting it. [16:04] Capso, strace aplay, see if it is opening /dev/dsp, and see if that open succeeds. [16:04] Capso, look for an open of anything in /dev [16:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:05] shmctl(63209478, IPC_64|IPC_STAT, 0xbffff4f0) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) [16:05] If that's relevant, I did see it there. [16:06] that is probably the program asking for status on the sound hardware. [16:06] but I'd have to see the entire strace output to be sure [16:07] How would I output it to a file? [16:07] Ah. [16:07] -o [16:09] or > whatever [16:09] No "dsp" in the strace. [16:09] Do you want me to paste it to a pastebin? [16:09] blueyed (n=daniel@iD4CC0307.versanet.de) joined #linuxhelp. [16:09] Lego_Bitch (n=Lego_Bit@bl5-203-1.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [16:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:11] sure [16:11] Ah, nevermind... [16:11] I got it to work. [16:11] $ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/sda7 [16:11] /dev/sda7: [16:11] setting using_dma to 1 (on) [16:11] HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device [16:11] what does that mean? [16:12] its a sata drive on Ubuntu Hoary. [16:12] Sethk: Thanks for your help, bud. [16:12] Sethk: Works now. [16:12] blueyed, that's a partition, not a drive [16:12] Capso, good :) [16:12] Sethk: Just had to turn up the volume on the speaker a bit to hear it. :) [16:12] Sethk: Will this work with MPlayer? [16:12] Sethk: OGM Format? [16:12] sethk: yep, on a sataII drive of course. [16:12] should [16:12] blueyed, you do dma on a drive, not a partition [16:12] Sethk: Do I need artsd for that? [16:13] sethk: ah, ok :) [16:13] Capso, only if you want sound from more than one app at a time [16:13] Sethk: So, if I'm watching just one video... with MPlayer, I don't need it? [16:14] Capso, correct [16:14] Cool, thanks. [16:14] sethk: but's its the same error for /dev/sda ?! [16:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:15] blueyed, the O/S thinks the drive is not capable of DMA [16:15] blueyed, or the interface [16:16] it's a nforce4 board. might it be to new? then ubuntu breezy will hopefully fix it, right? [16:17] blueyed, worth a try. I haven't used that sata [16:19] ^wolf^ (n=wolf@p549074B0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "42" [16:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:20] sethk: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29443.html wouldn't have thought that it would be a problem. I'll await breezy probably. Just noticing it when moving large amounts of data around currently. [16:20] debiannoobie (i=home@c-67-173-231-48.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:21] Hi all [16:21] Can someone help me with a mounting issue? [16:22] nebular (n=nebular@Toronto-HSE-ppp3685047.sympatico.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [16:23] nebular (n=nebular@MTL-ppp-157832.qc.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [16:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:25] loq0 (i=ravage@user-2ive7pl.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:27] can anyone help me get my raid to mount?? [16:27] debiannoobie: ask a more detailed question [16:28] godkas (n=godkas@c-67-171-197-168.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:28] My raid shows at /dev/sda In fstab it shows the mount point as /media/usb0. when I try to mount it gives me must specify filesystem. Shoud the mountpoint for the raid be /media/usb0??? [16:29] debiannoobie: nope! [16:29] that sounds like your usb media (which tends to show up as scsi) [16:29] Is "mkfs -v -c -t vfat /dev/sda7" good to create a fat32 system to share data between linux and win32? [16:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [16:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:30] debiannoobie: you using software raid, or what? [16:30] when I create a new folder for it in /media (/raid) and edit the fstab to reflect that I get inforrect fs, bad options or bad superblock. [16:30] blueyed: dunno about -t vfat, i tned to use mkdosfs -F 32 [16:30] amrit: using 3ware 7500-4lp hardware raid [16:30] debiannoobie: ah. are you sure it shows up as sda? [16:32] Correct... fdisk -l reports "Disk /dev/sda: 750.1 GB" [16:32] nice number :) [16:32] debiannoobie: have you formatted it? [16:33] Yes... it's formatted ntfs from my old winblows install.... All my critical data is on the raid [16:34] debiannoobie: you've tried specifying -t ntfs? [16:34] I just noticed that under that is a device /dev/sda1 that shows the system as HPFS/NTFS... is that what I should be mounting? [16:34] debiannoobie, if that's where the data is. :) [16:34] Trying to mount through KDE... Create new device icon on the desktop [16:34] oh wait, you're mounting sda instead of sda1? doh... [16:34] I feel stupid now..... [16:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:35] gnubien (n=e@192.240.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:36] debiannoobie, it is possible to format a device in such a way that /dev/sda mounts [16:36] debiannoobie, now, windows can't do it [16:36] debiannoobie, but it is possible .... :) [16:37] one of the reasons I'm leaving windows... instability... lack of functionality [16:37] debiannoobie, ridiculous price ... [16:37] for servers, anyway [16:38] No kidding... [16:38] people actually pay for that stuff? ;) [16:39] sethk: freshmeat.net one of the mini slack distro's uses a floppy and some dos boot loader to boot a usb stick [16:39] Ok... now... I'm getting a different error... I created a folder /media/raid as the mountpoint and edited fstab as such (since /media/usb0 just didn't seem right) and I get the error "could not enter /media/raid" am I doing something wrong? [16:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:40] gnubien, really, that's nice [16:40] gnubien, hadn't seen it. good for slack, again. [16:40] sethk: yea, some mini distro with the word "slack" in it iirc [16:41] who would use a floppy to boot usb? any half decent box can boot usb directly :) [16:43] alot of talk about MB's able to boot off usb but no one ever says which MB make/model ;) [16:43] pmts (n=pmts@p54A3C05E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone" [16:43] my asus, my dad's compaq laptop, etc :) [16:44] GOT IT!!!! YEAH!!!!!!! [16:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:45] amrit: asus A8N mb? [16:45] gnubien: oh wait, this one isn't an asus. it's an abit nf7-s 2.0. i think my asus a7v333 can too, though.. [16:46] debiannoobie (i=home@c-67-173-231-48.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11" [16:46] amrit: thanks for the info [16:46] Action: amrit nods [16:48] amrit: iirc flash drive wear out after 100K read/writes or about 1 year normal use for a booted distro drive; disk drives allow 100meg read/writes and 50K power on/off cycles [16:49] gnubien: 100k reads or writes? to the whole device, or what? [16:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:50] yea, read that at the alamolinux home page iirc [16:50] well, when you consider that you're not going to be writing to the whole thing anyway... [16:51] 100K to any one sector or inode or whatever the smallest bit of flash drive is; if one of those bits goes bad the whole flash drive quits iirc [16:51] rusty- (n=G33k@62.139.81.201) left irc: [16:51] Action: amrit can't find alamolinux [16:52] amrit: heavy read/write dir's like /tmp could do it fast; also your browsers cache dir [16:52] gnubien: i was just about to say, i'd hope things like /tmp go in tmpfs... that'd reduce lots of writes [16:52] amrit: yea, read that info over 6 mo ago so maybe google for flash drive read write [16:53] flippo (n=frivol@63.227.116.241) joined #linuxhelp. [16:53] gnubien, there is extra space on a flash disk that is used when a piece goes bad. The whole thing isn't dead until there is no more spare space [16:53] amrit: yea, you gotta take special efforts to minimize read/writes on a flash drive distro [16:54] "The Flash Drive has no seek errors. Mean time between failure (MTBF) is an astonishing 500,000 hours." [16:54] hmm... [16:54] oh, no math here? :) [16:54] sethk: thanks for the info, i'm not an authority on anything, just passing on the rumors i've read on the net [16:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/17 e/- I/-] [16:55] gnubien, I've studied this at a recent work thing [16:55] that's 57 years, heh [16:55] gnubien: yeah, what sethk makes sense, as hard drives do thism too [16:55] *this, [16:55] sethk: ok, i got a year old lexar 1 gig, did the research a year ago, ancient history ;) [16:55] amrit, funny, I've made at least three fail. [16:55] amrit, 57 years. right. :) [16:56] sethk: crac-- er, static kills ;) [16:56] amrit, a microwave oven does good stuff also [16:56] sethk: i don't think pcbs are very nutritious. [16:57] amrit, no, but the green ones are very tasty [16:57] amrit: 57.077625 years, amazing how the technology has improved; rumor is that flash drive's will make disk HD's obsolete soon [16:58] gnubien: don't believe it. solid state storage is _always_ on the horizon. [16:58] At least the floppy disk is obsolete. [16:58] Took long enough [16:58] amrit: ok, like fusion energy its "30 years from now; always 30 years from now" [16:59] flippo: only in brand new computers, with un-retarded OSes and bioses :) [16:59] flippo: yep, no more floppys [16:59] not enough of that going around, though. [16:59] gnubien: yeah [17:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:00] Writing user file... [17:00] Writing channel file... [17:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [17:01] best deal on a flash drive i've seen is $59 for a 1gig lexar pen drive at compusa [17:01] you need the lexar jumpdrive sport :) [17:01] 1gb, $50 on sale relatively often [17:02] i just hooked up cisco router to my serial port, but `stty -F /dev/ttyS0` says "stty: /dev/ttyS0: Input/Output error". what do i need to do to connect to the router via serial (rs-232)? [17:02] cool, prices are lower now [17:03] thing is great.. i had pics somewhere, guess i lost them though [17:03] sethk: another problem with flash drives is the connector breaks if you plug/unplug it very often [17:03] Which package contains lib_esd.so ? [17:03] esdl? [17:04] gnubien, quite true. and it is a bitch to see which side is the top [17:04] gnubien, and dell puts the jacks in upside down. :) [17:04] I'm installing erlang in Gentoo and I get an ACCESS DENIED error in my Portage and tmp var DIRs... [17:04] Any ideas? [17:04] sethk: yea, like a mini searial adapter [17:04] serial [17:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:05] war- (n=war@iniquity.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:05] Capso: grep'd /var/log/packages with no hits [17:05] Eh? [17:06] Gnubien: What do you want me to do? [17:06] Capso: slackware has a packages dir with detail descriptions of the software each app installs [17:06] ... [17:06] SlackWare != Gentoo [17:07] Capso: no doubt, look in my slackware distro for the lib, not hits [17:07] Capso: ask #gentoo [17:07] That's great... but that's not my problem. [17:07] Amrit: I thought #LinuxHelp was for any distros. [17:08] gnubien: the connector breaks? what, do you throw the thing at the usb port? :) [17:08] Capso: correct, almost any distro :) [17:08] xnyx (n=not@206-45-185-99.static.mts.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:08] stream (i=stream@helpdeskdb.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:08] with rhel how do fix my identd so it shows my unix username not some random crap? [17:08] linux username [17:09] xnyx (n=not@206-45-185-99.static.mts.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:09] amrit: no, read that somewhere doing research, my 1 year old lexar is working great, but i leave it plugged in mostly [17:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:11] oh [17:11] Action: amrit wonders where exactly gnubien reads all this stuff ;) [17:13] douglas (n=douglas@pcp02819991pcs.lwrswt01.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:15] war- (n=war@iniquity.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:15] amrit, on #screwy-stuff [17:16] amrit: netsearch using "my jives" search engine ;) [17:17] d/\ [17:17] stream (i=stream@helpdeskdb.com) left irc: "BitchX: don't leave home without it!" [17:17] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-155-120.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [17:18] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.201.97.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:19] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.201.97.178) joined #linuxhelp. [17:19] hehe [17:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:21] intelikey (n=root@0-1pool90-206.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:22] omoore (n=omoore@ip70-185-198-109.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:22] zxsykco (n=zxsykco@adsl-68-75-170-223.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) left irc: [17:23] Rupert-Giles (n=willow@neilmathers.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] i asked a question a while ago about pc card /dev/? and got called away, if anyone answered me. thank you, but i didn't get to see the answer. so can someone tell me what device cp cards use under dev conventions? (not devfs nor udev) [17:24] Rupert-Giles (n=willow@neilmathers.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [17:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:25] 'cp cards'? [17:25] i want to create an image of a filesystem that i can mount as a loopback device later.. would i (a) dd if=/dev/zero of=filesystem.img bs=1024 count=#### ; dd if=/dev/hdb of=filesystem.img ; mkdir /mnt/fakedisk ; mount filesystem.img /mnt/fakedisk ...or... [17:25] (b) dd if=/dev/hdb of=filesystem.img bs=1024 ; mkdir /mnt/fakedisk ; mount filesystem.img /mnt/fakedisk [17:25] pc my bad. [17:26] isn't doing (b) essentially the same as doing (a) ? [17:26] omoore: yes. step 1 of a is unnecessary [17:26] thx [17:26] pc card as in pcmcia [17:27] omoore: you can normally leave the bs= arg off of dd, btw. 1024 is a pretty small chunk anyway, i bet it would slow things down [17:27] intelikey: no special /dev notation for them. same as pci cards. [17:27] then a modem should make a /dev/modem device ? [17:27] omoore: nevermind, turns out the default bs is 512 bytes. 1024 would be an improvement :) [17:28] intelikey: no, /dev/modem is usually a symlink to the appropriate COM port (/dev/ttySx) [17:29] so where would a pc card modem be ? [17:29] tony_the_cable_g (n=tony@pcp08982065pcs.trnrsv01.nj.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:29] Blissex (i=pcg@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [17:29] intelikey: i can't tell you for sure (haven't used one myself), but i bet it would operate in the same way. you'd have to figure out what the appropriate com port is.. maybe google can help you with that. [17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:30] I installad a program and now I dont know how to run it. [17:31] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.201.97.178) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] intelikey: also, man -k pcmcia to see what util's you can use [17:31] man if this dsl had any docs or even some good cli configs it would really help. [17:31] war- (n=war@iniquity.net) left irc: "gone" [17:32] tony_the_cable_g: what program? [17:33] it's all busyboxed out and lot's of things wont even run in cli mode cause it is knoppix'ic [17:34] intelikey: hehe [17:34] intelikey: wow, didnt know knoppix was CLI phobic ;) [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:35] it seems to be when it is dsl [17:38] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.201.97.178) joined #linuxhelp. [17:38] tony_the_cable_g (n=tony@pcp08982065pcs.trnrsv01.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:39] hut oh cardinfo says both slots are empty..... that may be why i cant find the modem.... cs doesn't recognize it. [17:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:41] So, I dragged my computer into my college dorm and booted it, and 3D acceleration worked fine, as it did when I shut the computer down... Then I randomly had to reboot, and when I was back in X, 3D acceleration was disabled and there were errors in the X logs about DRI. After another reboot, it worked again. As far as I can tell, nothing in the way of software was different... [17:41] Any ideas? Flaky hardware? [17:42] zxsykco (n=zxsykco@adsl-68-75-170-223.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:44] hmmmm scoket 0 says "no such device" but socket 1 says "device or resource busy" so the card must be in slot 1 but not recognized by the system.... crap. [17:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:45] debiannoobie (i=home@c-67-173-231-48.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:46] Hi all... It's me again.... Having an interesting problem. I finaly got the mountpoints working for my raid drive, but the folder permissions I set on the mount folder when I'm logged in as root do not carry over to my user login. Any sugguestions? [17:47] CHodapp "Flaky hardware?" could be a card, cable, or ram stick, not connected well enough. moving a box often shows this kind of thing when it is not noticed while the box is un-moved. [17:47] intelikey, the box remained largely unmoved, it was working just fine after the move for at least 10 days [17:48] Any ideas? <-- ^ [17:48] I dunno. [17:48] The card's got temperature probes on it, if it was overheating I'd know... [17:49] There was something like "DrmAddMap failed" on the X logs, and when I checked online I noticed lots of messages, nearly all from a similar Radeon as mine, and most of the solutions involved getting a newer version from CVS [17:49] But I kinda need the computer for school stuff now so reproducing the issue is difficult [17:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:50] try to re-seat all components, ram and cards can get loose, give you bad contacts and work for a while and then not... and nothing to loose by doing it... [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [17:55] I'm just trying to see how it would cause such a simple error and not something more drastic [17:56] it's ok, you won't hurt my feellings if you don't... [17:56] I kinda need this computer right now for work! [17:56] I mean, my roommate's HP laptop is sitting right there but he'd be a little mad if I just sorta grabbed it and ran [17:57] CHodapp: leave an IOU ;) [17:57] Hmmm.... [17:58] CHodapp: call your roomy on his cell and ask... [17:59] it just depends on which of you are bigger and/or meaner [18:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:00] mako-sam1 (i=1000@82.194.49.86) joined #linuxhelp. [18:00] I'm faster and I carry a knife [18:00] but... he has a lot more expensive stuff [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:01] like his $350 Ipaq and crap like that [18:04] debiannoobie (i=home@c-67-173-231-48.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11" [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:05] mako-sama (i=1000@82.194.48.137) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:05] Nick change: mako-sam1 -> mako-sama [18:07] loq0 (i=ravage@user-2ive7pl.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:07] CHodapp: descretion is the better part of valor [18:07] That's nice. [18:08] But I'm not planning on stealing anything of his. [18:08] philc (n=reformis@pcp0010434810pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:08] I respect him, you see. [18:08] Ardi (n=BeBi_LoG@pool-162-83-144-51.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:08] Rupert-Giles (n=willow@neilmathers.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:09] zxsykco (n=zxsykco@adsl-68-75-170-223.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) left irc: [18:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:11] CHodapp: good idea; you gotta be extra diplomatic with roomys; respect their territory and posessions [18:13] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[18:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:25] godkas (n=godkas@c-67-171-197-168.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:26] Swat2 (i=tim@202.81.208.42) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [18:26] Hey is anyone here using the evdev protocol for mouse? [18:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [18:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:31] Folgore (n=noone@203.125.84.22) joined #linuxhelp. [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:35] So I have only one instance of iptraf running. This instance says another instance of iptraf is already accessing the card. [18:40] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [18:40] Tcl error in script for 'timer943315': [18:40] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [18:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:43] godkas (n=godkas@c-67-171-197-168.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:44] intelikey (n=ADMINIST@0-1pool89-121.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) left irc: "and God bless." [18:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:45] Lego_Bitch (n=Lego_Bit@bl5-203-1.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.201.97.178) left irc: Connection timed out [18:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:53] CHodapp, then there is some resource, maybe a named pipe, that wasn't cleaned up. Most likely. [18:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [18:55] ton (n=ton@customer-201-133-189-108.prod-infinitum.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [18:56] how can i uninstall program was compiled with ./configure make make install [18:58] sethk, it was a lockfile of some kind, I already got it cleaned up... [18:59] ton: try make uninstall. if not, then re-install it with "checkinstall" (google it) to make a package for your distro, then remove it with your distro tools [19:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [19:00] Writing user file... [19:00] Writing channel file... [19:00] ok [19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [19:01] MegaByte (n=x1@201.29.176.152) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:01] somebody know how can i compile asp and apache, i have tried to install mod_perl and i havent could yet [19:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [19:14] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:14] RDove (i=python@0-2pool228-238.nas6.washington2.dc.us.da.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[19:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [19:54] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:54] gnubien (n=e@192.240.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [19:58] hmm [19:58] awk prints during its processing, right? [19:59] redge- (n=redge@redge.electronicbox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:00] Writing user file... [20:00] Writing channel file... [20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [20:04] regeya (n=shane@dialup-4.159.59.140.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:06] ton (n=ton@customer-201-133-189-108.prod-infinitum.com.mx) left irc: Client Quit [20:07] I have a PIF file that's some sort of IM virus, how can I identify it? 'strings' returns a lot of things that look pretty common [20:09] RDove (i=python@0-2pool228-238.nas6.washington2.dc.us.da.qwest.net) left irc: [20:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:10] CHodapp: clamav [20:11] http://www.gietl.com/test-clamav/ here's a form [20:11] I've already installed it... it just failed to work last time. [20:11] It did work with this file though, luckily [20:11] Worm.Mytob.GH [20:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:22] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:22] Romsterr (n=Romster@tor/session/x-3f039f51ee79cc57) joined #linuxhelp. [20:23] CHodapp : www.virustotal.com [20:23] Romster (n=Romster@tor/session/x-f4f09af7062ecef0) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:23] Nick change: Romsterr -> Romster [20:23] upload the file there, and it will be scanned against lots of different scanners. good way to check [20:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [20:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:39] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:39] ananke, can I expect different results here than ClamAv? [20:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:43] clamav is one of the scanners listed there [20:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:45] What I can't see is how all these Windows systems come configured to automatically run the executables that these links send... [20:45] KingChango (n=KingChan@152-174-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] LinuxGold (n=scottham@pcp016078pcs.harngt01.de.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:45] anyone know how to upgrade glib? [20:46] from 2.6.6 to 2.8.2 [20:47] hello? [20:47] CHodapp : they don't 'run' them [20:47] LinuxGold : ask in #your-distro [20:48] #my-distro doesn't have pkg for glib 2.8.2 [20:48] ananke, what I mean is that these links are all to executables and they manage to get executed so easily... [20:48] KingChango (n=KingChan@152-174-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #linuxhelp. [20:48] and they don't have answer either. [20:48] so i came here. [20:48] LinuxGold, you can always download the source and build and install it [20:49] sethk: been there, done that. [20:49] didn't take chagnes. [20:49] followed INSTALL file. [20:49] LinuxGold, it can't "not take" changes. [20:49] LinuxGold, you probably installed it to /usr/local [20:49] LinuxGold, you have to use --prefix=/usr [20:49] ./configure --prefix=/usr ? [20:49] right [20:49] ok [20:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:50] LinuxGold, the default location is /usr/local [20:50] all the distros I know about install it to /usr [20:50] ok [20:50] thanks. [20:50] should have said that in INSTALL file. [20:50] :) [20:50] Romsterr (i=debian-t@tor/session/x-57909e427af67978) joined #linuxhelp. [20:51] LinuxGold, nah, that means you would have been able to use it. [20:51] LinuxGold, that can't be allowed. :) [20:51] Romster (n=Romster@tor/session/x-3f039f51ee79cc57) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:51] Nick change: Romsterr -> Romster [20:52] :) [20:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [20:59] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:00] Writing user file... [21:00] Writing channel file... [21:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [21:02] dwolf (n=unknown@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined #linuxhelp. [21:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:06] xp__ (n=knoppix@c-24-10-33-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:07] litage_ (n=nick@203.201.97.178) left irc: Connection timed out [21:07] I bought a usb to serial, usbview shows Manufacturer Semi tech Semiconductor, I want to use minicom with it, how can I do this? [21:07] load the modules.. check dmesg out put [21:07] see what serial port its loading up as perhaps, [21:08] zxsykco (n=zxsykco@adsl-68-75-170-223.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) left irc: [21:09] LinuxGold (n=scottham@pcp016078pcs.harngt01.de.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [21:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:10] Dr_Willis I don't know what kernel driver to load for Semi tech Semiconductor [21:10] gilesw (i=raregems@spc1-leed1-4-0-cust81.seac.broadband.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:10] To the Bat-Google! robin! [21:10] :P [21:10] gilesw (i=raregems@spc1-leed1-4-0-cust81.seac.broadband.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:10] heck - check dmesg out put - it may be getting auto-loaded. [21:11] its amazing how well hardware support for stuff like this has advanced in the last year or 2 [21:13] its not getting auto loaded [21:13] usbserial just got loaded [21:14] Hmm.. what ya got it hooked up to anyway? [21:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:16] a laptop running hyperterminal [21:17] ahh.. you do have a null model cable going from the serial port on one pc to the serial port on the 2nd? [21:17] null modem. [21:17] no [21:17] one doesn't use a null modem cable for usb [21:18] usb does not support loopback [21:18] if hes using a usb->serial adaptor -<------->Serial port -> pc #2 [21:18] he sould wouldent he? [21:18] thats how i read what hes doing... I may of miss understood [21:18] at both ends? [21:18] litage (n=nick@203.201.96.22) joined #linuxhelp. [21:19] he has that adapter at both end? [21:19] not sure. :P [21:19] "Need more input" [21:19] gar, I hate D state [21:19] all I have is a usb serial cable, I have plugged in the usb side to knoppix [21:19] cdroms and dvds suck [21:19] I can see it in usbview [21:19] <_blue> hey Dr_Willis [21:19] there is no usb to serial converter, then. [21:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:20] but I am not seeing that it is recognized by the usbserial kernel module [21:20] --> I bought a usb to serial, usbview shows Manufacturer Semi tech Semiconductor, I want to use minicom with it, how can I do this? [21:20] any help would be appreciated, Manufacturer Semi tech Semiconductor, Vendor Id: 04b4 Product Id: 5500 [21:20] is what he said. :P [21:20] lets start OVER from the beggining.. [21:21] ok [21:21] xp__, back up. you have this usb to serial converter [21:21] You got Pc #1 - with a Semitech Semiconductor USB->Serial adaptor? [21:21] xp__, how is it connected? [21:21] it is connected through the usb port [21:21] xp__, is anything connected to the serial side? [21:21] no, not right now but I can connect something to it [21:22] I know the usb port is working because I tested it with my usb mouse [21:23] xp__, you aren't going to see a whole lot of data from a usb/serial converter that is connected to nothing [21:23] xp__, you said usbserial is loaded? [21:24] ya, well I want to get minicom to accept the /dev/usb/ttyUSB0 instead of saying invalid device [21:24] usbserial is loaded but it is not using anything [21:24] xp__, you need the module specific to the hardware [21:24] I need to load a low level driver like pl2303 but I don't know which low level driver is compatible do you? [21:24] xp__, e.g., with my palm pilot (that becomes ttyUSB0), the visor module loads [21:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:25] Sethk correct, how do I find that? [21:25] xp__, I would just load them all and see if one "takes" [21:25] ok [21:26] Ive just realized its been years since ive used Serial under Linux. [21:26] :P [21:26] Romsterr (n=Romster@tor/session/x-c8504f2f3e7cdf9a) joined #linuxhelp. [21:26] Romster (i=debian-t@tor/session/x-57909e427af67978) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:26] Nick change: Romsterr -> Romster [21:26] you could try echoing to all the /dev/usb/tt* and see if the machine on the other end spits out anything [21:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [21:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:31] Dr_Willis, if no module (other than usbserial) loaded, the device will not exist [21:32] <_blue> anyone here use krusader? [21:34] sethk no drivers took [21:34] xp__, are you sure there is linux support for the device? [21:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:35] alunduil (n=alunduil@71-32-30-167.farg.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:35] sethk no, how do I tell if there is? [21:36] xp__, the only sure way is to examine the kernel serial driver code. If you do a recursive grep in the kernel source directory, you should find something; the manufacturer, the name of the thing, one of the IDs. [21:36] xp__, you can consult documentation but the source code is the true documentation because it reflects the kernel exactly [21:36] KingChango (n=KingChan@152-174-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) left #linuxhelp. [21:37] xp__, google for it, of course. [21:37] xp__, hopefully some supported device uses the same chipset [21:38] well even if it is supported, it is not supported by this knoppix, none of the drivers took [21:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [21:40] Knoppix 4.0 dvd - is out now. what version ya trying? [21:40] <_blue> is the new knoppix anygood. [21:41] <_blue> compared to the well reviewed kanotix? [21:41] I guess I could try kanotix [21:42] <_blue> i havent touched a live cd in FOREVER. [21:42] grepper (n=robert@ip216-239-81-139.vif.net) left irc: "closed the connection with his remote" [21:43] any way for me to "mount" my ipaq 3850 from slackwarre? just to see the contents n do a backup.. i wanna linux the damn pda! 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[22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:05] hello [22:05] how can i create perl-Mail-Spamassassin rpm? out of Mail-Spamassasssin.tar-gz? [22:05] keter (n=NOne@ool-44c26302.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:07] kerlnel20: rpmbuild -tb Mail-Spamassassin.tar.gz (or whatever the file name is).. [22:07] syslogd (n=joe@24.206.195.131) joined #linuxhelp. [22:08] hcy (n=hcy@IGLD-84-228-72-222.inter.net.il) joined #linuxhelp. [22:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:10] Nick change: amrit|bbl -> amrit [22:10] xp__ (n=knoppix@c-24-10-33-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:10] can anyone recommend a good screen recorder? [22:10] johnh51 (i=444@adsl-66-218-62-115.dslextreme.com) left irc: Connection timed out [22:10] <_blue> does anyone know of a tutorial on how to build business cards in either photoshop or gimp? [22:11] loq0 (i=ravage@user-2ive7o8.dialup.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:12] how can i create perl-Mail-Spamassassin rpm? out of Mail-Spamassasssin.tar-gz? [22:12] kerlnel20: didn't I just answer that? [22:12] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9B84E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [22:12] johnh51 (i=444@adsl-66-218-62-115.dslextreme.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:12] RichiH_ (i=richih@freenode/staff/richih) joined #linuxhelp. [22:13] http://rpm.org/ [22:13] :) [22:13] or most likely one has allready been made somewhere [22:13] <_blue> ask the chan for your distro. [22:13] <_blue> some have already made it, and some distro's have build specific instructions and stuff. [22:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:18] daniel (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) left irc: Connection timed out [22:19] RichiH (i=richih@freenode/staff/richih) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:21] kreg (n=kreg@209.161.26.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:22] kreg (n=kreg@209.161.26.78) joined #linuxhelp. [22:22] doctorwhite (n=doctorwh@adsl-71-136-3-65.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] Lyarianz (n=zam@203.170.69.68) joined #linuxhelp. [22:24] pepe (n=marigabo@cpe-24-162-50-172.houston.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:26] Kream (n=root@61.246.35.89) joined #linuxhelp. [22:27] hi all. [22:27] i'm booted into a knoppix on a troublesome machine that gives me segfaults when compiling stuff to test stuff out. [22:27] i've already run memtest86 and it showed no errors. [22:28] and I've got cpuburn (burnMMX) running right now... how do I do something that'll involve some heavy IO/cpu usage? [22:29] you could download blender 3d and like render a project [22:29] anyone? [22:29] xp__ i'm on the console [22:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [22:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:30] LootBeer (i=1000@cm226.omega16.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] io/cpu.. maybe multiple iozone/bonnie tests [22:30] this machine is normally a gateway .. it's got a via c3 samuel 2 chip [22:30] godkas (n=godkas@c-67-171-197-168.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:31] HEY does anyone know how to unmute microphone or activate it because im trying to use the microphone in a game and i press the talk key and nothing comes out [22:31] godkas can you record stuff normally using it? [22:32] errrr lemme check [22:32] that would be a good place to start [22:32] also, check thelevels [22:32] wait.. i can hear myself.... lol [22:33] i dont know if that means itll work [22:33] i am running FC3 as a router on a network & i can't access Paltalk Messenger on my network , can anyone help me out please ! [22:33] well then you know the hardware is working... you need to check out support for that game [22:33] Lyarianz do you mean that paltalk on your network can't access the outside world ? [22:33] Action: Kream sighs [22:34] anyone here have any suggestions on how to give a knoppix-booted machine a good hardware workout? [22:34] Kream : no .. paltalk messenger is worldwide like msn & yahoo instant messengers [22:34] Kream : & i can't logged into paltalk , even i have allowed the all ports of paltalk messenger in iptables [22:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:35] Lyarianz you're being totally unclear [22:35] Kream (n=root@61.246.35.89) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:35] kreg (n=kreg@209.161.26.78) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:37] how can i mail all users in my virtusertable? [22:38] btw [22:38] have u used spamassassin? [22:38] i have errors at maillog spamassassin has timed out and was killed [22:38] any ideas? [22:39] a Spamassassian Assassian is on your system? :P [22:39] yes [22:39] you need a Spamassassian assassian Assassian [22:39] : [22:39] Action: Dr_Willis rests his hands [22:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:40] Dr_Willis: .|. [22:40] Vanaze (n=Vanaze@pcp02377111pcs.mrdian01.ms.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:40] anybody? [22:40] sorry no clue . other then peraps enable more verbose logging and check the logs [22:40] Having issues with a PCMCIA wireless nic not being detected... [22:40] tiimed out - imples it hung. and the mail server killed it. [22:41] or somthing [22:41] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9B84E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] bugz_ (n=vanni@adsl-69-231-28-250.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:42] .. [22:42] anyone use realvnc here? [22:43] yep [22:43] and many of the other vnc variants [22:43] original vnc, realvnc, tightvnc, vnc4server [22:43] Willis, think you could assist me with my rather annoying problem? =\ [22:43] Hmm.. I cant recall much about realvnc however. [22:43] yeah thats why i wonder why it hangs up [22:44] http://www.realvnc.com/ [22:44] hellz_hunter (n=abra@pcp948941pcs.bechgr01.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:44] looke like realvnc is the first variant of the original vnc [22:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:45] <_blue> anyone know of a tutorial on creating business card within gimp or a template for business cards within gimp? [22:45] anybody? [22:45] _blue, scan an existing one and have at it? :P [22:45] <_blue> Dr_Willis: this is done from scratch [22:45] hellz_hunter (n=abra@pcp948941pcs.bechgr01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:45] getting them to print right on the forms.. will be the problem [22:46] i DO seem to recall some Pdf generator web site that made the cards for ya.. may of been a demo or somnthing the wife had found. [22:46] she had to make some for her Father inlaw last month [22:47] Anyone help me with this PCMCIA problem I'm having?... [22:47] <_blue> Dr_Willis: pdf generator?? [22:48] yea - i THINK i saw a site that just printed out the cards (you entered some basic info) and it made a pdf page of them - that you then printed [22:48] Nick change: Lyarianz -> lyarianz [22:48] But i also think they wanted $$ for the actual full (no demo wrote on the paper) or somthing. [22:49] wife must of tested 12+ card generator programs finding one she could use. [22:49] regeya (n=shane@dialup-4.159.59.140.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] Thats one of the tools ive never seen on linux yet. [22:49] <_blue> bah.... [22:49] <_blue> i need just a template or a tutorial that shows me how to do it. [22:49] http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=business+card§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 [22:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:50] has a few progs. [22:50] <_blue> Dr_Willis: nice! [22:50] well like 2 progs. :P [22:51] most hits seem to be Business card sized linux dsrtos. lol [22:51] Rad Inks Print Suite - Default branch - "includes online business card designer" Hmmm.. [22:52] <_blue> hmm. [22:52] <_blue> downloading glabels right now. [22:52] http://www.radinks.com/print/card-designer/demo.php [22:52] was what i think my wife found the other day [22:52] <_blue> yea. [22:53] <_blue> i think ill use this gnome labler. [22:53] <_blue> instead of a proprietary java thing. [22:54] lyarianz (n=zam@203.170.69.68) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:54] agney (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) left irc: "users have names only because humans are too stupid to remember numbers." [22:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/17 e/- I/-] [22:55] Kream (n=root@61.246.35.89) joined #linuxhelp. [22:55] okay... i have a bonnie++ process running and cpuburn (burnMMX) and I'm compiling a kernel. can anyone think of a way to put further stress on the system [22:56] <_blue> Dr_Willis: might have the wife look at this glabel shit. [22:56] <_blue> pretty daarn good. [22:57] i can hear myself in my microphone by turning my microphone output volume up [22:57] BUT krecord doesnt record anything when i talk [22:57] Kream (n=root@61.246.35.89) left irc: Client Quit [22:57] Anyone help me with this PCMCIA problem I'm having?... [22:58] _blue, problem we always have is actually printing out the thing right on the cards [22:58] <_blue> Dr_Willis: save to png. [22:58] <_blue> print. [22:58] _blue, we ended up making the cards with a largeish margin (put all text in the middle) so it was ok to be off a little on the edges. [22:58] ggg (n=Romster@tor/session/x-a04b80061ca506fc) joined #linuxhelp. [22:58] Romster (n=Romster@tor/session/x-c8504f2f3e7cdf9a) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:58] <_blue> Dr_Willis: eh? [22:58] Nick change: ggg -> Romster [22:58] of course she then reaized she just needed to save one sheet - and she could use her color-copier to maeke more [22:59] of course when she used some other card-brand-sheets. her positioning was off. :P [22:59] <_blue> Dr_Willis: i thikn this takes care of it for you. [22:59] <_blue> just save to PNG, go to photoshop do some final trimmings and print off windows [22:59] told her Step-dad to go to the dang Staples and SPend $10 and get a few hunderd made up and leave her alone. [22:59] <_blue> LOL. [23:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/17 e/- I/-] [23:00] Writing user file... [23:00] Writing channel file... [23:00] any other linux channels that might be able to help me out? [23:00] <_blue> my school has an inudstrial color printer. [23:00] <_blue> if i can figure out how to do it, then its free. [23:00] <_blue> Vanaze: ask your question agian please. [23:00] <_blue> again* [23:00] Anyone help me with this PCMCIA problem I'm having?... [23:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [23:01] the card isn't being detected by cardctl ident [23:01] <_blue> Vanaze: never messed with pcmcia. [23:01] but lspci and lsmod recognize it as being there, though lsmod reports it as "unused" [23:01] Yarr! [23:01] <_blue> is it wireless? [23:01] Yes, it is [23:02] <_blue> Vanaze: chipset, kernel ver, distro to start off with. [23:02] <_blue> o and card name and pci-id [23:02] 2.4.29, Vector Linux... [23:02] <_blue> yeesh, upgrade the bloody kernel mate. [23:03] rofl [23:03] Sorry [23:03] Been lazy =] [23:03] <_blue> Vanaze: that would be the first thing i would do. [23:03] MrFarts (n=peter@c-67-169-165-238.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:03] irvken (n=sean@82-32-102-164.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [23:03] hi [23:03] anyone ldap gurus here ? [23:03] Well, Vector linux pre-installs 2.6.12 [23:03] And I still have the same problem when using it [23:04] <_blue> Vanaze: well, those can be overcome. [23:04] <_blue> or maybe not depending on what kind oc ard you have. [23:04] <_blue> BUT you'll have many other problems if you dont upgrade your kernel. [23:04] <_blue> as most drivers require a 2.6 kernel, with gcc3.4 iirc [23:04] What's the latest stable, 2.6.13 ? [23:04] <_blue> iirc.12 [23:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/17 e/- I/-] [23:05] 2.6.13.2 [23:05] Bleah [23:05] I'll just do it in the morning [23:05] I have class in about 6 hours and I haven't slept yet [23:05] -.- [23:05] Action: MrFarts cries [23:05] i'll be back tomorrow sometime, begging for help [23:06] thanks anyways blue [23:06] See you about... 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[23:26] there's something else that provides the functionality you want.. one min [23:27] x11vnc, xp__ [23:27] look it up at freshmeat [23:28] ok thanks [23:28] godkas (n=godkas@c-67-171-197-168.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] Romsterr (n=Romster@tor/session/x-e4d141ffdfd658d4) joined #linuxhelp. [23:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [23:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/17 e/- I/-] [23:30] Romster (n=Romster@tor/session/x-a04b80061ca506fc) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:30] Nick change: Romsterr -> Romster [23:30] bugz_ (n=vanni@adsl-69-231-28-250.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] Agiofws (n=agiofws1@dyn57.spar1.nas.panafonet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [23:32] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:32] AJ__Z0 (i=489rur9i@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/aj-z0) joined #linuxhelp. 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[23:46] amrit: it would make more sense if we were both in #kanotix where I meant to ask :P [23:47] alunduil (n=alunduil@71-32-30-167.farg.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:48] caranthir (n=swiceje@12-202-152-156.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [23:49] someone recommend me a cool news reader please, something similar to Xnews, and that is likely in the Debian repos [23:49] jlb|away (n=nnjlbart@host-206-107-148-85.acelerate.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:49] grepper: heh [23:49] caranthir: define 'cool'. i like pan cuz it makes downloading easy. [23:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [23:51] amrit, something popular, relatively bug free, good for downloading big binary files [23:53] caranthir: pan is what you want. find it on freshmeat.net [23:53] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|zzz [23:53] latre [23:53] -r [23:54] amrit|zzz, thanks [23:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/17 e/- I/-] [23:59] caranthir (n=swiceje@12-202-152-156.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/17 e/- I/-] [00:00] --- Wed Sep 28 2005 [00:00] Backing up user file... [00:00] Backing up channel file...