[00:00] Writing user file... [00:00] Writing channel file... [00:00] <_blue> :P [00:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [00:01] spectre__ (n=spectre@88.96.32.193) joined #linuxhelp. [00:02] haha, mixing rap and techno... [00:02] <_blue> actually, i've seen it done ONCE well. [00:02] <_blue> the other bajiliion times were train wrecks. [00:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:06] I am having tons of problems w/ scsi emulation and cdrecord. Im not quite sure how to pose a question....maybe a few suggestions on where to start looking for my problems? [00:07] btartsa: example of something that doesn't work, what you're expecting it to do, and what actually happens would be helpful. [00:07] btartsa: we can start with what's actually going wrong that you're seeing [00:07] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-22-247.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:08] good (CEST) morning [00:08] btartsa, are you aware that with the 2.6 kernel you are no longer required to use scsi emulation with cdrecord? [00:09] ok the goal here is to burn audio cds. I have just rebuilt this machine w/ a new kernel (2.6.13-ARCH). I believe my scsi emulation is working because my ATAPI cd burner is at /dev/scd0 [00:09] Nick change: fuzy -> fuz [00:09] Nick change: fuz -> fuzy [00:09] btartsa, but, are you aware of the fact that you don't need to use scsi emulation? [00:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:10] sethk, the ide-scsi module was not loaded [00:10] btartsa, makes no difference whatsoever to what I just said [00:10] btartsa, well, scsi emulation won't work if you leave it out of the kernel, but the point is you don't need scsi emulation with 2.6 to use cdrecord [00:11] neither in 2.4, really [00:11] Im a bit confused [00:11] Triskelios, that's true, but let's keep it a bit simpler. :) [00:12] btartsa: disable scsi emulation altogether [00:12] Triskelios: eh? since when? (2.4) [00:12] cant use gcombust without scsi...and I hate k3b [00:13] amrit: since cdrecord got an atapi interface. it's supposedly more stable in 2.6 but I think both have DMA [00:13] Triskelios: ah.. i had always seen that you can use ide burning "in 2.6" [00:14] btartsa, why do you think that? that you can't use gcombust? [00:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:15] sethk: I guess I was wrong? [00:16] zoly (n=l@tor/session/x-920b8b61eebf2c88) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:16] btartsa, I don't know of a reason you would have to. [00:17] if it lets you choose a device by hand, there should be no problems [00:17] Triskelios, even if it doesn't, it would typically use a sym link like /dev/cdrom [00:19] I get an error like "cdrecord cant locate device" no matter what. And Im sure its /dev/scd0 [00:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:21] btartsa: turn *off* scsi emulation anf it won't be [00:21] it will be a regular ide device, /dev/hd* [00:22] anyway, later [00:22] laters [00:22] vexation (n=vexati0n@host-69-145-63-12.csp-wy.client.bresnan.net) left irc: [00:22] inv (i=inv@fiberlogin.org) joined #linuxhelp. [00:24] so turn off scsi emulation....thats built in ...that I dont need [00:24] linuxfreck (n=freck@p5492B70E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [00:24] bah..thatnks for the help guys [00:24] btartsa (n=btartsa@c-24-21-132-66.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:26] Nate_Grey (n=byte@gmp-inet36-6-32.gmpexpress.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:33] yetistomps (i=1000@03-204.200.popsite.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:34] amrit, i don't think it worked.. adding the extra -G on the dhcpd line... i tried but i eventually had to disconnect the RJ45 cable from the back.. [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:35] knoppix__ (n=knoppix@85.201.98.136) joined #linuxhelp. [00:35] yetistomps: how did you try, after making the change? i assume you re-ran netconfig. and then what? [00:35] yetistomps: did you re-run the networking scripts, or did you reboot, or..? [00:36] i did netconfig as you instructed.. and changed it to DHCP... then i connected the RJ45 cable... rebooted.. and tried to ppp-on but it wouldn't connect.. [00:36] hi , i would install a debian from a cd then from the net , but i don't have connection with debian , i try with knoppix this work ? some idee ? please [00:38] yetistomps: ok. so then you disconnected the rj45 and did ppp-on again? [00:38] yetistomps: or you disconnected it and rebooted? [00:39] yup.. but that didn't work... i had to set netconfig back to loopback.. as slack remembered my dhcp settings from b4...then rebooted...and I connected normally via ppp-on. [00:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:40] Nate_Grey (n=byte@gmp-inet36-6-32.gmpexpress.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:40] yetistomps: oh, ok. when you normally boot up, do you always have to execute ppp-on yourself, after the system boots up? [00:41] yes..it's a manual process.. although i really don't like how slack does not allow ppp-on/off for a regular user... so i use kppd instead when on X. [00:42] banyan (n=banyan@S010600000a000001.cg.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:42] Nate_Grey (n=byte@gmp-inet36-6-32.gmpexpress.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:42] LootBeer (i=1000@cm89.omega23.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Connection timed out [00:43] Any mplayer whizzes in here? I have a wmv file that mplayer shows the video all scrambled. Diagonal lines, etc. Like the horizontal / diagonal size of the frames are incorrect. [00:43] mofturos (n=agressor@ip68-103-68-211.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:43] please join #mplayer [00:43] yetistomps: hmm, ok. i'm curious to see something - now that you're already connected to your lan, what if you run netconfig now, change it to dhcp, and then - without rebooting - run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 as root? 1) are you still online 2) can you access your lan? [00:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:45] i am still online... but I cannot access my LAN as the RJ45 cable is disconnected. If I connect it...i am not sure what will happen. Typing ifconfig shows.. LO loopback and ppp0... dhcpd is not running per netconfig. [00:45] yetistomps: i forgot that your cable was disconnected. connect it, and now run rc.inet1 [00:46] mofturos (n=agressor@ip68-103-68-211.ks.ok.cox.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [00:46] ok... [00:46] mofturos (n=agressor@ip68-103-68-211.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:46] cable connected [00:46] running rc.inet1 [00:47] still with us? [00:47] inet1 ok.. but ifconfig shows no eth0 [00:47] yup. [00:47] :-) [00:47] CarlFK (n=ck2@c-67-163-39-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [00:47] yetistomps: hmm. did rc.inet1 give any errors? [00:48] Nate_Grey (n=byte@gmp-inet36-6-32.gmpexpress.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:48] none. that i am aware of.. [00:48] yawgmoth7 (n=yawgmoth@ten-mega-cust500.tenino.com) joined #linuxhelp. [00:48] dhcpd is notrunning though... [00:48] shall i /sbin/dhcpd? [00:48] What is ICEauthority? [00:48] Norky (n=dan@byzantium.force9.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [00:48] yetistomps: no, you want dhcpcd :) [00:49] CarlFK (n=ck2@c-67-163-39-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:49] yetistomps: but yeah, do dhcpcd -d -G eth0 [00:49] Because i cant login to anything but a terminal and all the r=erros say its because they cant use IceAuthority or something [00:49] errors* [00:49] Im using Ubuntu by the way [00:49] It started after i installed xfce4 [00:49] Myrtti: Were you talking to me? [00:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:50] ok...root@druid:/etc/rc.d# /sbin/dhcpcd -d -G eth0 [00:50] dhcpcd: MAC address = 00:04:5a:89:7a:92 [00:50] dhcpcd: your IP address = 192.168.0.100 [00:50] WEll [00:50] still connected via modem... interesting.. [00:50] I guess im going to try sudo apt-get install kubuntu desktop [00:50] i reckon i NEVER should reboot now.. lol [00:51] let me see if I can see my LAN. [00:51] yetistomps: hehe. does lan browsing work as normal? [00:51] ok [00:51] root@druid:/etc/rc.d# ping 192.168.0.101 [00:51] PING 192.168.0.101 (192.168.0.101) 56(84) bytes of data. [00:51] 64 bytes from 192.168.0.101: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.324 ms [00:51] coolbeans.. [00:52] that's one of my networked computers.. [00:52] do u know the cause of this amrit?? [00:52] i wonder if i disconnect my modem now.. if i could connect again.. [00:52] shall I? [00:53] yetistomps: i'm not 100% sure, but it has something to do with the fact that eth0 comes up before your ppp interface. no, don't do that. [00:53] k [00:53] I'm on mplayer, but nobody else is except asleep people. [00:53] yetistomps: when you setup your dialup account... did you have to enter a gateway ip? or no? [00:53] no.. ..pppsetup just asked me for my ISP's DNS IP.. that's all. [00:54] yetistomps: you mean aside from number/login/password/etc? [00:55] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [00:55] Tcl error in script for 'timer514169': [00:55] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [00:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:55] yes.. [00:57] yetistomps: it's kinda hard for me to name an ideal solution, because i almost never used dialup on linux. [00:57] mofturos (n=agressor@ip68-103-68-211.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:57] yetistomps: are you always online when your pc is on? or do you only go on/off when you need to go online? [00:57] hehe.. [00:57] yetistomps: cuz one possible solution is to have ppp-on be called at boot, before rc.inet1. [00:57] no..i am not online all the time.. [00:58] when my pc is on that is. [00:58] hmm, ok. [00:58] hmm.. that is one solution. [00:58] it's less than ideal, obviously. [00:59] let me disconnect now.. and see if i can connect again.. [00:59] ok [00:59] brb.. (hopefully) [00:59] yetistomps (i=1000@03-204.200.popsite.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:00] Writing user file... [01:00] Writing channel file... [01:00] im having trouble with xine [01:00] xv video driver colors are washed out [01:00] and the over video drivers break the video image in the middle [01:00] yetistomps (i=1000@05-084.200.popsite.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:00] aloha.. [01:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [01:01] yetistomps: it worked, eh? [01:01] so it does connect.. whoppeedeedoo. [01:01] yetistomps: it probably won't when you reboot, however. [01:01] on another note amrit.. thank u for your help. [01:01] yeah i figured as much.. [01:02] now ..let me see if i can mount my USB flash card.. [01:02] yetistomps: until you figure out the exact reason this happens, another reason could be to run ppp-on before rc.inet1, and then ppp-off when rc.inet1 is done... heh [01:03] s/reason/workaround/ [01:03] yes... it's odd though... slackware 10.2 should not take me through this ordeal. [01:04] yetistomps: well.. i'm sure it's something fairly logical that happens. another question.. what does your /etc/resolv.conf look like right now? [01:04] checking... [01:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:05] nameserver 192.168.0.1 [01:05] nameserver 207.69.188.187 #kppp temp entry [01:05] nameserver 207.69.188.186 #kppp temp entry [01:06] woah.. nameserver 192.168.0.1?? My router doesn't DNS resolve... [01:06] yetistomps: yeah, that's what i was wondering about. if you add -N to dhcpcd also, that would be gotten rid of... [01:08] i c.. [01:08] adding -N [01:08] yetistomps: here, if we get this one piece of debugging info, it would be helpful. make sure you've enabled dhcp and plugged the rj45 in, then reboot, and try to connect ppp. when it does, verify that you cannot get anywhere. then, as root, do "route -n > ~/route.log" and "cp /etc/resolv.conf ~/resolv.conf.log". then, do what you have to do get inet back up, and show me those 2 files [01:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:10] now ..the dhcp line in inet1 should have -N and -G already ..right? [01:11] yetistomps: -G, yes, because you added it. it has -N already? that's fine then. [01:12] ok..performing the steps... [01:12] brb..(Eventually) [01:12] ok [01:13] yetistomps (i=1000@05-084.200.popsite.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:26] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [01:26] yetistomps (i=1000@01-168.200.popsite.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:27] amrit: same deal as b4.. wouldnt connect the modem...when netconfig was set to DHCP.. here are the logs.. [01:27] paste them at the url in the topic [01:27] don't just paste them in the channel :) [01:29] yanger (n=yanger@unaffiliated/yanger) left irc: Excess Flood [01:29] yanger (n=yanger@24-196-33-108.static.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [01:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [01:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:30] ok, dcc works too [01:31] yetistomps: these logs are from _after_ you connected ppp? (and couldn't get anywhere on it) [01:32] after i connected via pppd. [01:32] couldn't get anywhere.. [01:34] yetistomps: hmm.. this is surely your problem, but i wonder why.... your resolv.conf and route.log have nothing in them for accessing the net.... [01:34] only lan info, at best. [01:34] yetistomps: the ppp-on script you're calling.. can you look through it and make sure there's no password info in it? if so, send that to me as well [01:34] i'd like to see exactly what it's doing [01:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:35] checking... [01:37] LootBeer (i=1000@cm89.omega23.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [01:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:41] ok [01:42] yetistomps: how about the ppp-on script? (you can find that with "which ppp-on") [01:43] yetistomps: also, one thing to consider... see the "if you have default route already" paragraph in the options file [01:43] sending ppp-on script... or ppp-up [01:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:45] err...look at this..: [01:45] in my options file.. [01:45] # If you have a default route already, pppd may require the other side [01:45] # to authenticate itself, which most ISPs will not do. To work around this, [01:45] # uncomment the line below. Note that this may have negative side effects [01:45] # on system security if you allow PPP dialins. See the docs in /usr/doc/ppp* [01:45] # for more information. [01:45] #noauth [01:45] yeah, that's what i meant [01:45] you can try taking out the # comment marker for the noauth line [01:46] since that seems to be one of the connections you're hitting (your pre-existing default route due to eth0) [01:47] let's try that then... brb [01:47] brb, gonna brush my teeth. almost sleep time. [01:47] k [01:47] yetistomps (i=1000@01-168.200.popsite.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [01:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:55] Nick change: AzureMoose -> AzMoo [01:59] sean_hw (n=sean@handwcp.free-online.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [02:00] Writing user file... [02:00] Writing channel file... 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[04:12] jcdury (n=jcdury@55.Red-217-127-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:14] Slovin (i=Lemno@adsl28-140.qualitynet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:15] I do have an embarassing question. But three 'engineers' told me I was wrong, so I'd like to ask here. Suppose you have two 15MB files. One is image, another is text. If you want to transfer both on the network, I told them both files will take the same time to travel, but they told me NO, the text file will take longer. [04:15] I'm not if I'm missing anything, but anyone knows why??? [04:16] err 2nd sentence rubbish, anyway, anyone has a clue? [04:19] Slovin: is there any kind of compression envolved? [04:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:20] Nick change: deeler -> deeLer [04:21] no, irrespective of compression [04:21] anyway, they say the IMAGE file will take longer anyway [04:21] so with compression, one expects the text files to be more compact [04:21] if both files are the same bytesize and are transmitted over the same protocol without any compression happening during the transmission on any level, the only thing that counts is number of bytes [04:21] sorry, they said text file will take longer [04:21] if you leave out network congestion, retransmission etc [04:22] Slovin: ask them to explain how [04:22] Slovin: ask them if they think binary bits are smaller than "text bits" [04:23] if they are not smaller, or in some way faster, how is the same number of bytes to travel at the same speed? [04:23] at _not_ the same speed, in this case :) [04:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:25] MegaByte (n=x1@201.29.176.183) joined #linuxhelp. [04:28] Rich: They do somehow think that "Text" bits are different from 'image' bits [04:28] I told them "No guys, at the very low levels, it's binary" [04:28] and one said "no wrong, it's in hexideciaml". [04:29] If ONLY one was saying that.. then maybe.. but THREE!! [04:29] :) [04:29] even hex is bin at its core..... :) [04:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [04:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:31] yeah, well, I don't know how they're thinking really. [04:31] The problem is that I have to deal with them everyday. [04:31] irvken (n=sean@82-32-102-164.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:32] Slovin: He really said "hexideciaml"? :) [04:33] does anyone know what's wrong about this case / select menu? 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[05:01] WhyvasLT (n=whyvas@mctnnbsa31w-142166091071.nb.aliant.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:04] whats some good software to convert avis to vcds? [05:04] WhyvasLT: mencoder might do that...part of mplayer [05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:05] hmmmm [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:12] intelikey (n=greg@0-1pool89-193.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) left irc: "." [05:13] daedric (n=noneof@bl5-212-17.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:20] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:20] redge- (n=redge@redge.electronicbox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:23] tweek___ (n=tweek@host-77-63-230-24.midco.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[06:01] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [06:01] Tcl error in script for 'timer525498': [06:01] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [06:01] CarlFK (n=ck2@c-67-163-39-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:04] CarlFK (n=ck2@c-67-163-39-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:11] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [06:11] moon_lander (n=moon_lan@194.154.85.10) joined #linuxhelp. [06:13] tweek___ (n=tweek@host-77-63-230-24.midco.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:14] tweek__ (n=tweek@host-77-63-230-24.midco.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:15] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:15] anyone in here know how I can copy a cdrom to an iso? 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[07:02] I seem to have a problem [07:02] linuxfreck (n=freck@p5492B70E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:03] WHen i try to login to any of the session things(In ubuntu and like GNOME of xfce4 or whatever)and this is the error in the erro file ": Couldnt acces ~/.ICEauthority: Permission Denied [07:03] IT started when i installed xfce4 [07:03] banyan (n=banyan@S010600000a000001.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "I was here but now I'm gone. I left my name to turn you on!" [07:04] IM using just a terminal right now :( [07:04] Should i just reinstall Ubuntu [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [07:06] Urgh, i think ill just reinstall Ubuntu [07:06] Well maybe [07:07] Here i go [07:07] Yawgie7 (n=yawgmoth@ten-mega-cust500.tenino.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." 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[07:57] brb [07:57] yetistomps (i=1000@02-055.200.popsite.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:59] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [07:59] Tcl error in script for 'timer527095': [07:59] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [07:59] calicnote (n=gicalicn@169.232.148.186) joined #linuxhelp. [08:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:00] Writing user file... [08:00] Writing channel file... [08:00] Roey (n=Roey@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Roey) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [08:01] abc (n=Roey@pcp04370251pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:08] zoly (n=l@p549DE257.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:08] jroes_ (i=jroes@everest.sosdg.org) joined #linuxhelp. [08:09] AJ__Z0 (i=4d296xz9@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/aj-z0) joined #linuxhelp. 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Lexmark-Z12-lxm3200-tweaked.ppd [08:16] HAL9000 (i=saitek@Darkstar.AceShells.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:16] Nick change: DarkShell -> HAL9000 [08:17] http://www.linuxprinting.org/ is down :S [08:17] one_2_one: google for the url, use google cache link to read the page [08:18] i have googled [08:18] jroes_ (i=jroes@everest.sosdg.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:18] and i cant find a DL link for that file [08:18] :| [08:19] use google cache link to read the page uhm [08:19] how i do that [08:19] jroes (i=jroes@everest.sosdg.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:21] click on the line that says "cache" [08:21] AJ_Z0 (i=thbg3gvn@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/aj-z0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:22] eawol_hom (n=awol@CPE-60-226-240-41.sa.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. 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[08:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:37] should be one of these: ram problem, power fluctuation, cosmic rays, software problem [08:38] netrix37 (i=netrix37@adsl-1-96-20.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:38] jent (n=jent@dsl-179-16.dynamic-dsl.frii.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:39] what could help is, depending on the cause of the problem: ECC ram, UPS, other file system [08:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:40] braingrind (n=braingri@88.96.32.196) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:40] as xfs is best suited fro servers anyway, i assume you have ECC ram and UPS [08:43] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-008-089.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "L 8 R" [08:43] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-008-089.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:44] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-008-089.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:47] Murido (n=Dios@201.153.62.9) joined #linuxhelp. [08:47] jcdury (n=jcdury@55.Red-217-127-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:48] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9AD66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [08:48] I just installed gentoo. Do I need a magic trick of some kind to turn on bash history or increase the history buffer? Seems bash only remembers commands I've typed since the last reboot. [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:52] one_2_one (n=fgdg@81.193.8.192) left irc: "Leaving" [08:54] j0xter: nope. command "history" won't show? [08:54] daniel (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:54] or are you looking at file .bash_history ? 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[09:00] juice (n=juice@mo-67-77-176-229.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) returned to #linuxhelp. [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] :/ [09:02] TheBonsai (n=bonsai@p54934B67.dip.t-dialin.net) returned to #linuxhelp. [09:02] zoly (n=l@p549DE257.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:02] using up-arrow, checking .bash_history and the command "history" all have the same result [09:03] try set -o history [09:03] but should be on by default [09:04] also, do echo $SHELL [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:05] letmi_21 (i=letmeebo@3ffe:401c:99e:243:0:0:0:25) joined #linuxhelp. [09:05] everything looks ok, but it shouldn't just wipe bash_history and not tell me. [09:06] why not? [09:06] slummer (n=bbb@cpe-65-25-141-75.columbus.res.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("."). [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:11] because it annoys me, and unless it's planning to become self-aware, I'd prefer it to act somewhat predictably. [09:11] then configure it according your preference, instead of whining that the default doesn't suit you, [09:13] letmi_21 (i=letmeebo@3ffe:401c:99e:243:0:0:0:25) left irc: K-lined [09:13] Emil_Zeuthen (n=emil@cpe.atm2-0-10837.0x50c766b2.bynxx14.customer.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:15] I'm not the one whining ;) [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:20] goob (n=goob@65.196.129.67) left irc: Client Quit [09:21] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit [09:23] Inv_arp (i=junya@adsl-156-145-65.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:25] jcdury (n=jcdury@55.Red-217-127-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] marculix (n=mgzh@gw.ptr-80-238-132-235.customer.ch.netstream.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:28] rlangly (n=samalex@pdpc/supporter/student/rlangly) joined #linuxhelp. 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[n]: [10:02] I get that [10:02] any idea what files is it talking about ? [10:02] oh [10:02] the build dir [10:02] yeah [10:02] what's there ? [10:02] and do I need those ? [10:02] you'll know what files if you answer "yes" to the question it's asking you [10:03] I tried that and it froze after it listed a few [10:04] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) left irc: "leaving" [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:05] that I don't know why... [10:05] I excluded them and it made the pkg now [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:10] trs|Hobbit (i=hobbit@cpe-069-134-158-083.nc.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:10] i am new to linux [10:10] i am trying to install eggdrop [10:10] i have the file downloaded and in my home directory [10:10] now what? [10:12] trs|Hobbit: nobody can tell you, without knowing more about your setup, such as distribition [10:12] i am using cygwin [10:12] except answers like "configure it, run it" [10:12] cygwin is not linux [10:12] kinda [10:12] "i am new to linux" [10:13] ok then "i am new to cygwin, does anyone know how to help me with that" [10:13] linux us an operating system. cygwin isn't. cygwin runs under windows. [10:13] yes yes, i understand that [10:13] try #windows [10:14] k [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:15] trs|Hobbit (i=hobbit@cpe-069-134-158-083.nc.res.rr.com) left #linuxhelp. [10:18] _atomi (n=atomi@pool-71-104-15-150.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:19] WesTAcE (n=WesTAcE@adsl-69-105-139-177.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:19] <-- having trouble installing linux [10:19] when i try to install suse it freezes, can anyone help? [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:20] WesTAcE: freezes at the same point? ... during what par... more specific [10:21] it freezes at different times [10:21] usually the step after i choose GNOME [10:21] freethewhales (n=Hitchcoc@dsl092-037-213.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [10:22] first, it froze while it was in the installation process thing, then i tried new installation and now it can't even get to the part where i install [10:23] WesTAcE: is this a new pc? ... might be a hardwae issue [10:23] http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=464&slide=7, it freezes when it gives me Installation Summary [10:23] uhh its a Dell and i got it about 1-2 yrs ago [10:23] spectre_1 (i=spectre@88.96.32.194) joined #linuxhelp. [10:24] WesTAcE: friend of mine told me of a similar problem he had with suse [10:24] did he solve it? [10:24] he tried several times, and he wasn't able to completer because of system hangs [10:24] yup and its annoying [10:24] i gave him a live cd of another distro, he tried that one, and it installed [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:25] someone in the suse channel told me to run a memory test [10:25] gave him the cd first to make sure the machine would boot linux at all, which it did [10:25] but he went on transferring it to hd then, and has been using it since [10:26] thus the hangs do not seem to be hardware related, in his case [10:26] so ur basically saying im screwed right? [10:26] or i should try a different distro [10:26] no. i only mention that because of similarity of problem. [10:27] yes, trying a different one i would do, and if only as reference [10:27] what are the differences between the different distrubutions [10:27] suse tends to apply own patches to kernel [10:27] other distribs often use the vanilla kernel [10:28] main difference between distribution is the installation/package manager [10:28] and with this, the format of the packages [10:29] have a look here: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php [10:29] mohkohn (n=pjharper@a213-84-42-207.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [10:29] live cds have the advantage that you can try them before commiting yourself by hard disk installation [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:30] no_gatez_fan (n=CAZ@cpe-069-132-008-089.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:30] basically, if they run from cd, there's no reason why they shouldn't run from hard disk [10:30] slashdot (n=vidarlo@unaffiliated/slashdot) joined #linuxhelp. [10:30] Hi I am having problems playing audio cd's. I found that: ls -l /dev/cdrom ls: /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory [10:30] Of course there is a reason [10:30] The reason might be that they run from hd instead of CD [10:30] ls -l /dev/hdc brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 Oct 10 15:24 /dev/hdc [10:31] CD's will play in totem but not in gnome cd player or xmms [10:31] Anybody know why? [10:32] a) the plural is not built with an ', b) what error messages do you get? c) why don't you link hdc to cdrom? [10:32] mohkohn: probably players look for wrong device. creating a symbolic link should help [10:32] should i try red hat? [10:32] WesTAcE: depends on whom you ask :) [10:32] oh ;) [10:33] ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom? zoly [10:33] well, would all the stuff that was installed b4 it froze be still on the computer? [10:33] i would probably go for something like slackware/debian/maybe gentoo if you are daring [10:33] and i would avoid suse/red hat [10:33] is slax the livecd version of slackware? [10:34] WesTAcE: forget about that stuff, that's suse anyway [10:34] yes [10:34] well i tried slax and nothing would show up on the screen [10:34] mohkohn: looks good [10:34] i tried it on my old comp and it worked fine [10:34] thanks I'll give it a try [10:34] but i want to put it on my newest one [10:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:35] KohlInGA (n=GA@adsl-211-237-59.asm.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:35] zoly it worked! Thanks mate. I've been trying to solve this for hours [10:36] was easy [10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:46] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:46] irvken (n=sean@82-32-102-164.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. 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[11:19] no :) [11:19] would you have asked about gentoo or debian, i would have had one [11:19] diegueno: did you install the app as an rpm? then you can use rpm -e[rase] [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:20] I used urpmi [11:20] slashdot (n=vidarlo@unaffiliated/slashdot) left irc: "leaving" [11:21] {insert negative comment about Zoly's deportment here} [11:21] diegueno: yeah, then that should work. [11:21] rpm -e [11:21] eh? [11:22] amrit: thank you for your helpfulness...you are a good example to others [11:22] diegueno: you're welcome. but i'm not so sure... i take the same approach when people ask gentoo questions.. ;) [11:23] i am supposed to answer questions i don't know an answer for, or get insulted otherwise? [11:23] can you *imagine* that there are people who do not know *all* distributions in existence? [11:24] well, help yourself. [11:24] zoly: it came across as more of a "if you were using a proper distro..." type answer [11:24] {insert hefty insult here} [11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:25] amrit: well, i was saying "i know how de deinstall with the mentioned two distributions" [11:25] well, never mind. i /ignore him [11:25] can't have that [11:26] zoly: I would think that if want to seem helpful, you would suggest to others that did not state questions with sufficient precision that they add on detail with the word "please" inserted in the sentence somewhere [11:28] looking at the log last time I came in to this room, I found Zoly's comments condescending and of little value [11:29] diegueno, let's not make a big issue of a small thing. Nobody is perfect [11:29] diegueno, except me, of course [11:29] Action: amrit shakes his fist at sethk [11:29] IMO, one cannot expect a lot of expertise in a question posted to a channel called "linuxhelp, after all [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:30] *"linuxhelp" [11:30] diegueno, well, questions vary, but I don't see anything wrong with your question [11:30] diegueno, but as I said let's not make a bigger thing out of this than it really is [11:30] marculix (n=mgzh@gw.ptr-80-238-132-235.customer.ch.netstream.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:31] diegueno, besides, I'm getting $16 million from Nigeria and $25 million from South Africa, just today, so who needs linuxhelp? :) [11:32] sethk: I appreciate your consideration, but I'm not one to take being snubbed by someone in an IRC room both times I'm in it lightly [11:32] diegueno, you've made your point, no? Let's move on. :) [11:33] sethk: and you could still use linux to find the right Urkrainian and Burmese bisexual girls that want to live with you in your mansion in Seychelle Islands with all of that money (i) [11:33] diegueno, that's true, I guess [11:34] sethk: with that much money, you can buy a world where you're having sex every time you think about it [11:34] diegueno, I'm much too old for that [11:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:35] diegueno: That'll get you into hospital quite quickly :) [11:35] yeah, but a guy would die happy that way B-) [11:36] WesTAcE (n=WesTAcE@adsl-69-105-139-177.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:37] uhh, installed suse, so how do i connect 2 the internet? [11:37] WesTAcE: dsl? [11:37] WesTAcE: err what type of cnnect ya ave [11:37] yes [11:37] i have dsl [11:37] try pppoeconfig [11:37] piff (n=piff@cpc4-oxfd3-3-0-cust25.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:37] Hello [11:37] the computer i have suse on connects through home phone line [11:37] WesTAcE: is the modem using pppoe to long in for u? [11:37] eh, pppoeconf it was [11:37] Anyone use mldonkey? I'm having trouble connecting to any servers [11:38] err log* [11:38] i don't even know what a pppoe is [11:38] lol [11:38] ppp over ethernet [11:38] that's what most providers use for dsl access [11:39] uhh for windows and mac i just put in this cd to connec to the internet [11:39] ok, then do that, if you prefer [11:39] hmm will the cd work on linux? [11:39] no. you said "windows and mac" [11:39] im confused lol [11:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:40] someone said to use Yast? [11:40] WesTAcE, for what? [11:40] to connect to the internet [11:41] Kraig (n=sebas@nat1.inalambrica.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:41] WesTAcE, if you have the parameters you can configure a ppp connection. The disk won't help you unless you can somehow extract the information from it. [11:41] how do i log a telnet session to a file? i tried -n it created a file but it's always empty [11:42] spectre__ (i=spectre@88.96.32.194) joined #linuxhelp. [11:42] Kraig, that's because in addition to opening the trace file, you have to enable tracing [11:42] Kraig: try, after logging in, script foo to log to file foo [11:42] diegueno (n=diegueno@ppp-71-129-252-166.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left #linuxhelp. [11:43] Kraig, I believe if you just use -n, only errors are logged [11:44] alunduil (n=alunduil@199.17.89.44) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:44] ok, thanks a lot [11:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:46] hmm... [11:46] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-49-25.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:46] telnet > file works, but i can't see what's there :P [11:46] . [11:47] evidently [11:47] and with a tail -f it's done [11:47] thanks guys [11:47] Kraig (n=sebas@nat1.inalambrica.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [11:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:50] slashdot (n=vidarlo@unaffiliated/slashdot) joined #linuxhelp. [11:50] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) joined #linuxhelp. [11:51] ecliptik (n=micheal@cpe-66-91-251-113.san.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:51] is there a way for ls to only list files and omit dirs? [11:52] ecliptik, find . -type f -print | xargs ls [11:52] use find: find . -max-depth 1 -type f [11:52] or that [11:52] ecliptik, if you don't want subdirectories, use -maxdepth 1 [11:52] sethk: is it with or without the dash? [11:53] amrit, without for find, with for tar, I believe [11:53] ah [11:53] guys, i connect to the internet through HPNA, so how do i set it up for suse?? [11:54] HPNA? [11:54] PC Port USB HPNA Adapter http://www.2wire.com/?p=266 [11:54] Sonderblade (n=olle@c-305be353.131-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [11:54] Sembiance (n=Sembianc@permafrost.telparia.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:55] hi :) [11:55] I found ls -F | grep -v "/" works well too [11:55] WesTAcE: oh... no idea... googling for that name with linux hasn't helped? [11:55] ecliptik, no, not really, but ls -F | egrep -v "/$" would work [11:56] hi Sembiance [11:56] gonna try [11:56] what was that Operating system that someone was working on where it challenged the ideas of a traditional OS, where things were placed in 'corners' on the screen, and organized a certain way, no taskbar or anything... I've been looking all over and can't find it (it has a wikipedia page if I could remember the name) [11:56] sethk, why the $? when I ran it without it it worked properly [11:57] ecliptik, because there are cases where there are slashes, but you really only care whether the last character is a slash [11:57] sethk, ah, cool, thanks [11:57] ecliptik, so it's a bit more general [11:57] found it, symphonyos [11:58] oh yeah. didn't like that idae. [11:58] *idae [11:58] ....idea! [11:58] WesTAcE (n=WesTAcE@adsl-69-105-139-177.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left irc: [12:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:00] Writing user file... [12:00] Writing channel file... [12:00] spectre_1 (i=spectre@88.96.32.194) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:00] wahterev [12:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... 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[12:50] "depends" [12:50] :/ [12:50] the standard linuyx answer. :P [12:50] your disrto proberly has some sort of package manager that can install them [12:50] please tell me where [12:50] it doesn't [12:50] slackware [12:51] a .la file is library file that is normally for staticially linked binaryes.. [12:51] Intel 915PM (South Bridge Intel ICH6-M), is support for that good? [12:51] no clue on slack.. time to start reading some slack docs I guess. [12:51] been using Ubuntu lately. [12:52] silent|warrior (n=silent|w@203.171.240.34) joined #linuxhelp. [12:53] silent|warrior (n=silent|w@unaffiliated/anidas) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:53] silent|warrior (n=silent|w@203.171.240.34) joined #linuxhelp. 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[13:04] tsp: depends if it supports ddr 400 ram [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:05] I think it's just plane ddr [13:09] no such thing [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:10] it always has a frequency it runs at [13:10] hold [13:10] it supports pc2100/1600 [13:10] it has a 266mhz FSB [13:11] kittenbee (n=ribbon@cpc2-bolt4-5-0-cust193.manc.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Meow Meow :)" [13:11] 184 pin modules [13:12] it says 2.5 volt unbuffered/registered double data rate synchronus ddr ram [13:13] tsp: i think you are out of luck, then :/ [13:13] but earlier it says it supports ddr dram [13:13] asus manuals are screwd up [13:13] heh [13:13] asus a7v266-e [13:13] rlangly (n=samalex@pdpc/supporter/student/rlangly) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:14] I looked at 2 places and they only sell ddr400 ram - is ddr ram a dying breed? [13:14] agney (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:15] scotthompson (n=scott@nc-71-49-190-73.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:16] Hi, I need a Linux distribution that can run a computer with the following hardware: 200 Mhz Processor, 24 MB RAM, and a 3 GB Harddrive. [13:17] Any idea of one that my computer could run? [13:17] start small. [13:17] "DSL" can fit I think :P [13:18] what? [13:18] <^wolf^> http://damnsmalllinux.org = DSL [13:18] scotthompson, I just installed debian on a 333 celeron with 32mb ram, wasn't easy [13:18] silent|warrior (n=silent|w@unaffiliated/anidas) left irc: Client Quit [13:18] is their a command line only version I could run? [13:19] scotthompson, the debian installer claims to require 24mb, but even with 32mb I had to use a swap partition/file [13:19] ok [13:19] DSL is like 50mb total. :P [13:19] :o [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:20] What distro would you suggest using? [13:20] <^wolf^> scotthompson: DSL is a distro [13:20] oh [13:20] i guess it depends on what you want to do with it [13:20] 'featherlinux' is tiny also [13:20] i don't suppose there is that much you can do with a 50mb distro [13:20] :p [13:22] thanks [13:22] blahdeblah (n=paulgear@203-206-19-104.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [13:22] how old is pc2100 ram? [13:22] is it worth upgrading this computer? [13:23] no [13:23] ive rarely seen a pc thats worth updateing these days [13:23] :P [13:23] scotthompson, debian on the other hand is quite a large distro. base system is about 200mb though [13:23] unless ya define update as in "putting in some junk i got left over from some other machiens" :P [13:23] oh [13:24] KohlInGA (n=GA@adsl-211-237-59.asm.bellsouth.net) left #linuxhelp. [13:24] so the a7v266-e is old? [13:24] Harddrive space is not that much of a concern, just something the computer can run [13:24] WesTAcE (n=WesTAcE@adsl-69-105-139-177.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:24] i need help connecting to the internet in suse! [13:24] WesTAcE, Highspeed or dialup [13:24] dsl [13:24] using 2wire HPNA [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:25] ecliptik (n=micheal@cpe-66-91-251-113.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [13:25] ok I am not an expert with Linux so I may not be able to help [13:25] have you tried yast? [13:25] scotthompson, so what do you want to do with it? [13:25] yast to do what? [13:26] mikeX, just to do something with it [13:26] WesTAce, just ignore me I don't know much [13:26] same here :/ [13:26] :) [13:27] :P [13:29] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [13:29] Tcl error in script for 'timer538883': [13:29] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [13:29] hmm [13:29] so pc2100 is old? [13:29] pc3200 is out :p [13:29] :) [13:29] TruPilot (n=spam@svl-ext-proxy02.amd.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [13:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:30] Hey all :) [13:30] moo [13:30] I'm looking for a way to auto-purge messages older than n days from an mbox - any suggestions? [13:31] <^wolf^> a procmail rule? [13:31] hmmm [13:31] <^wolf^> there is this other binary that comes with procmail [13:31] <^wolf^> that lets you reprocess mboxes [13:32] <^wolf^> formail [13:32] <^wolf^> it would copy the rest to another mbox i guess [13:32] <^wolf^> if you could live with that ... [13:32] <^wolf^> rest = remainders [13:32] the other mbox being /dev/null ? :) [13:32] <^wolf^> naw [13:33] <^wolf^> dump the old ones, copy the good ones to elsewhere [13:33] dr_willis (n=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:38] no_gatez_fan (n=CAZ@cpe-069-132-008-089.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:42] CarlFK (n=ck2@c-67-163-39-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [13:42] CarlFK (n=ck2@c-67-163-39-125.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[14:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:48] kaos01 (n=kaos01@203.171.72.68) left irc: "leaving" [14:49] thystan (n=thystan@212.123.167.94) joined #linuxhelp. [14:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:50] Hi, i have Ubuntu and Kopete cant connect... icq cant connect and msn it says my password is wrong, while on windows i can connect np [14:51] three_11 (n=three_11@69-163-15-87.kntnny.adelphia.net) left irc: "Get away from me biatch" [14:52] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:52] kaos01 (n=kaos01@203.171.72.68) joined #linuxhelp. [14:52] altprsona (n=bloddyel@h244.141.140.67.ip.alltel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:57] thystan: MSN have changed the way they handle passwords, and this breaks older versions of Kopete. Upgrade Kopete, there is a workaround in the more recent versions. [14:57] ows (n=LSST@bl5-42-70.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [14:57] why, this isn't workin' "tar -cvf archive_name -C directory"? [14:57] how can I archieve a specific dir with tar? [14:58] and that dir has many subdirs [14:58] ows: add "." at the end. [14:58] thx blissex [14:58] Nick change: abc -> Roey [14:58] ows: you need a target [14:58] thystan: for Ubuntu there are Hoary compatible 3.4.2 packages. [14:58] aight... u know the latest version too? :P [14:59] ows: '-C directory' changes the current directory for 'tar' to that directory, but does not mean 'archive this directory. [14:59] thystan: 3.4.2 is good enough IIRC. [14:59] Blissex: tkx again man ;) [15:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:00] ows: tar -cvf archive_name -C [15:00] entoo users may carry out the following commands to update their computers: [15:00] where do i input it :P [15:00] thystan: an APT source line for KDE 3.4.2 for Hoary: deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main [15:00] mbg: the '-C' must be _before_ the thing to archive. [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:01] Blissex: not when I last did it. I'll check.... [15:02] Blissex: yes, you're right :) [15:02] hi, i have a minimal suse based dist installed, it comes with yast2 for package management, it says i can add software repositories to it, but so far i have failed to make that work.... iv no idea what im doing wrong... [15:03] altprsona: very many many things... First read http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 on how to ask questions... [15:03] altprsona: then there is #SUSE for SUSE specific questions... [15:04] altprsona: then there are fairly nice introductions/tutorials on the SUSE web site about this. [15:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:05] bliss, i did read, i did ask in #suse, and tuts have failed me [15:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:11] Graveling (n=Gravelin@adsl-121-236.swiftdsl.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [15:11] thystan (n=thystan@212.123.167.94) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:11] anyone know of a manual way of setting the monitor switch off time in debian? I've tried the gui but it doesnt want to work [15:13] mbg (n=mbg@sandlizard.force9.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [15:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:16] altprsona: then perhaps you should say what you have done and how it does not work... [15:17] KanFu2 (i=KanFu@p54B5B27A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:18] ill get kicked for flooding if i go thru all iv tried [15:19] altprsona: hopeless :-) [15:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:20] altprsona: summarize in your own words, like for example saying whether you get an error message. [15:20] ya, my windows is looking really good the last couple days [15:20] i did, i thought... [15:20] one sec, ill start over , again [15:21] scotthompson (n=scott@nc-71-49-190-73.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:22] BlackShuck (n=email@mgillespie.plus.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:22] I have some filesystem corruption, and am getting all the data off a disk, I would normally tar it up, to save permissions, but it's not possible due to space constraints, so I can copying files across the network to a windows machine. I want to put it all back together with the same permissions later, is there a tool that can do this? [15:24] current new first try run yast2, > software > installation source > add > ftp > server name : ftp://ftp.ale.org/ > dir name : pub/suse/ [15:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:25] current first try returns an error instsrc:E_no_instsrc_on_media , try again? [15:26] altprsona: it is not the installation source... [15:26] im getting there [15:26] i run thru ivery dir i find [15:26] and all the same reuslt [15:26] BlackShuck: use RSYNC, ideally, you can get it for MS Windows too. [15:27] altprsona: the directory must be properly formatted as a YaST2 installation source. A normal FTP directory won't do, it must contain some special files. [15:28] hmm, that strikes me as odd, becuase it specifically lists ftp as an option [15:28] altprsona: the most popular SUSE YaST2 installation source is the so-called Packman archive. Wait a second for details on that. [15:28] altprsona: FTP is the access protocol... [15:29] altprsona: this page describes all the details: http://www.opensuse.org/YaST_package_repository [15:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [15:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:30] ty [15:30] altprsona: all the package repositories in that page have been specifically set up for YaST2; the first link in the page is how to add them to YaST2. [15:31] ill give that ago [15:31] is the rsync a cygwin port? [15:31] asb002 (n=asb002@unaffiliated/asb002) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:31] trying to find a copy now? [15:31] BlackShuck: there is both a Cygwin port and a standalone port... [15:32] philc (n=reformis@pcp09958035pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] asb002 (n=asb002@unaffiliated/asb002) joined #linuxhelp. [15:33] BlackShuck: however you have another alternative that is safer with respect to permissions. [15:33] please enlighten... [15:33] BlackShuck: you can do a 'tar' and copy it as it goes to the MS Windows machine, like with 'smbclient' or with 'ssh'. [15:34] what do I need for that? [15:34] sshd on windows? [15:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:35] BlackShuck: actually not with 'smbclient', you can mount a MS Windows share with 'mount -t cifs' and then just 'tar' to it. [15:35] ahh OK, i get ya.. [15:35] BlackShuck: or you put 'sshd' on MS Windows yes, which is always not too bad an idea. [15:35] ok i did run yast2, > software > installation source > add > ftp > server name :ftp.gwdg.de (packman mirror) >dir /pub/linux/misc/packman [15:36] same result [15:36] do I need anything clever in my kernel for smbclient to work? [15:36] nfs or anything? [15:36] KanFu (i=KanFu@p54B5EA81.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:36] Nick change: KanFu2 -> KanFu [15:36] BlackShuck: it is probably safer than RSYNC. It tries to preserve things, but for example it cannot do device files etc. [15:37] thats not a problem. I have a nice script to tar up everything except /proc and /dev [15:37] BlackShuck: dont use 'smbclient', it actually does the opposite (back MS Windows to GNU/Linux). use 'mount -t cifs //MSServer/share /mnt' [15:38] nick01 (n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro) joined #linuxhelp. [15:38] altprsona: probably you have typed something wrong... consider this thread for example: http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/index.php?showtopic=2935&st=0&p=16728&#entry16728 [15:38] im cutting and pasteing [15:38] hi can somebody help me with some errors by checkinstall ?> [15:39] /bin/sh: line 1: 12216 Segmentation fault /usr/lib/qt/bin/uic -L /opt/kde/lib/kde3/plugins/designer -nounload -tr tr2i18n -i extraction.h ./extraction.ui >extraction.cpp.temp [15:39] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [15:39] sorry [15:39] double paste [15:39] philc (n=reformis@pcp09958035pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:39] make[2]: *** [extraction.cpp] Error 139 [15:39] make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/nick01/kde-3.5/kdeutils-3.4.91/ark' [15:39] make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 [15:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:41] altprsona: as the link that explains how to set up things, you need to add the 'yast-source' directory under that path. [15:41] nick01 (n=nick01@home-07031.b.astral.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [15:41] altprsona: this is also stated on that page of repository names, as «You need to add the yast-source directory to the YaST source manager.» [15:42] ty for your help, i c a format / new install in my future :( [15:42] altprsona: why? [15:43] because, this isnt working. and im getting mad at inanimate objects [15:43] altprsona: what is getting printed? [15:44] same error [15:44] error instsrc:E_no_instsrc_on_media , try again? [15:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:47] altprsona: BTW, other intesting note: the path in the server must not begin with a "/" [15:47] altprsona: check the last post in this thread: http://hulllug.principalhosting.net/archive/index.php/t-53083.html [15:47] i found that out, it confuses the yast [15:48] ows (n=LSST@bl5-42-70.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:48] karusho (i=karusho@adsl-68-121-149-49.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:49] hi im a winDOZE user and ive been on tons of forums but i cant decide what dist to use can anyone help? [15:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:50] any1? [15:51] karusho: depends on how big your PC and what you want to do with it... There are a few distributions that are targeted at newbies. [15:51] holy horse shoes, one finaly took, lets see if it works beyond that [15:51] agney (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:52] well i want something that works like windoze [15:52] but not as crapp [15:52] y [15:53] ive heard that red hat is crap [15:53] granted, im haveing a lot of trouble myself... but , as a recent windows user, trying to break the habit, i find the newish distros are just like windows, if it were completely differnt [15:54] the ones iv tried have all been perfectly suitable for normal pc use... its just been the odd ones that mess w/ me [15:54] Dreamglider (n=regin@80.77.134.194) joined #linuxhelp. [15:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:55] ya i read a bunch of reviews and it seems that [15:55] hold on [15:55] xandros [15:56] karusho: Well, Xandros and Linspire are indeed very MS Windows like. [15:56] anyone use ciffs? [15:56] I keep getting the very helpfull error: mount error 5 = Input/output error [15:57] karusho: however, you can download and try something similar that runs just off a CD. [15:57] Action: BlackShuck wants to kick whoever decided to use cryptic error codes and not document them [15:58] karusho: have a look at a thing called Knoppix; it comes on a CD, you boot it and even if a bit more slowly, you can have a test ride. It is very similar to Xandros or Linspire. [15:58] no i [15:58] have used knoppix [15:58] but linspire has nothing free [15:58] but xandros has something free right [16:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:00] Writing user file... [16:00] Writing channel file... [16:00] karusho: both Linspire and Xandros use much the same model -- but they are both based on the same thing that Knoppix is based on, and therefore if you do a bit of config you can get everything for free. [16:00] ok, it seems i have added a repository, but so far, thats not doing me much good. [16:00] altprsona: add more repositories :-). [16:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [16:01] ya, doing that now [16:02] ya everything is based on the kernl [16:03] xandros has oce, stadard, delxe, and busness [16:03] karusho: no, all these distributions are derived from Debian. [16:03] oh [16:03] ... [16:03] and linspire has... [16:03] something i cant find [16:03] wahts the dif betweeen these [16:03] karusho: so they all use the same method to add new optional programs... [16:04] karusho: the difference tends to be in the how much stuff you can download without paying an extra fee. [16:04] karusho: the difference tends to be in the how much stuff you can download without paying an extra fee. (for Linspire/Xandros). [16:04] mmhmm [16:04] ya at frys i see linspire and linspire cnr? [16:04] whats cnr? [16:04] gnubien (n=e@88.244.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:07] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "slackware...simplicity in a tgz package :)" [16:08] pmts (n=pmts@p54A3C5E7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:10] after a upgrade my GRUB only shows me Ubuntu, i have WinXP pro and Fedora on one disk and ubuntu on another, how can i get WinXP and Fedora Core4 back in GRUB boot menu ? [16:11] Dreamglider: edit /etc/grub/... (where your grub config is in, the filename differs between distributions) [16:11] eh, ... [16:11] i mean /boot/grub/... [16:12] Dreamglider: /boot/grub/menu.lst most likely [16:12] Bac9: that's a debianism [16:12] tsp (n=tyler@S01060013102699ac.vc.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:12] tsp (n=tyler@S01060013102699ac.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:12] yes i see it, menu.lst can anyone help me edit it ? [16:12] i'm pretty unsure how to do it :/ [16:13] zoly: oh? I thought that's what it was commonly called [16:13] alunduil (n=alunduil@24-119-32-184.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] Bac9: no. often it is grub.conf [16:13] zoly: oh, nice to know [16:14] thus you're on debian, right? [16:14] looks like so is Dreamglider [16:14] or debian derivate [16:14] yes debian, Ubutnu 5.10 [16:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:15] Dreamglider: there should be plenty of examples in menu.lst [16:16] zoly: he's on Ubuntu [16:16] all the ones where there is written "title" [16:16] Bac9: ubuntu is also a debian derivative [16:17] this is the file atm http://pastebin.com/389613 [16:17] zoly: exactly [16:19] featherball (i=1001@ppp1907.hay.dialup.dodo.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [16:19] Dreamglider: just look for title with Windows example. can't be too hard [16:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:21] somthing like this -> http://pastebin.com/389616 [16:21] the two last enterys [16:24] what is the "chainloader +1" option in Windows for ? [16:24] Dreamglider: it says to boot the first block of that partition. [16:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:26] Dreamglider (n=regin@80.77.134.194) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [16:28] BlackShuck (n=email@mgillespie.plus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:29] <^wolf^> sleepy time ... good nite all [16:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [16:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:30] featherball (i=1001@ppp1907.hay.dialup.dodo.com.au) left irc: "Client exiting" [16:31] ^wolf^ (n=wolf@p54906547.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [16:33] irvken (n=sean@82-32-102-164.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:38] why is so many dists based on debian [16:38] karusho: because it is totally free, and not controlled by anybody who could be a competitor is one reason, the other is that they do a very large number of packages. [16:39] kosh[0] (n=Miranda@84.12.25.27) joined #linuxhelp. [16:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:40] ? [16:40] psychonate (n=psychona@pcp02819902pcs.lwrswt01.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:40] is debian just that good? [16:40] what is best: pure debian or a debian based dist? [16:40] I've got a disk which is formatted as an LVM disk, I've extended the volume group with an extra 1.97GB, I'm now trying to get resize2fs to work on the disk, so I can extend the actual space the root partition has [16:41] but I've got a problem, how can I resize the root partition, when the tools necessary to do the resizing, are on the partition I'm about to unmount [16:41] karusho: ubuntu is ranked quite highly, I'd recommend it, I like the liveCD they did [16:41] mh_le (n=mads@port328.ds1-sg.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [16:42] ubuntu highly? doesn't reflect popularity lists ... [16:42] is there a way to assign an IP staticly and still recieve all the other information over DHCP? [16:42] ubuntu? whats that mean [16:42] there are a number of supporters, but they only shout louder ... [16:43] just cause a lot of debian people have got a grudge against ubuntu right now, doesnt mean it's not a good distribution [16:43] karusho: it means "humanity" in some language [16:43] Nick change: amrit|afk -> amrit [16:43] http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php have a look at popularity [16:43] popularity rankings are useless [16:44] whats KDE and GNOME? [16:44] what is your metric for "ranking highly" then? [16:44] distrowatch has ubuntu at the top [16:44] kosh[0]: the grudge has been explained very clearly@ Mark Shuttleworth should have given 10 million dollars to Debian, not created a new distro and given 10 million dollars to it. [16:44] LOL! [16:44] course he should sunshine [16:44] his money, he can do what he wants with it [16:44] karusho: they are desktop environments, that is integrated collection of applications. [16:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:45] why the difference? [16:45] kosh[0]: but there is a famous recent blog entry that says that stuff... [16:45] just cause debian is on the last 40(400?) grand of cash, doesnt mean it deserves handouts [16:45] I read a few of them when the story came out [16:45] lol [16:45] zoly: well-reviewed by many competent people [16:45] there are dozens of debian derivatives... why should debian people single out ubuntu for being grudgy against? [16:45] karusho: well, MS Windows XP is fairly different from MS Windows 2000... just because some people prefer one thing and sme another. [16:45] blahdeblah (n=paulgear@203-206-19-104.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [16:45] zoly: 10 million reasons for being grdgy. [16:45] i don't say "it is bad". but i would say "it is nothing special" [16:45] they got a grudge causeubuntu doesnt agree with debian on certain things and they think that splits the cause in a bad way [16:46] where against ubuntu people seem to be of opinion "ubuntu is special" [16:46] zoly: Mark Shuttleworth gave 10 million dollars to Ubuntu, not any other Debian derivative... :-) [16:46] they like to use new released software and thats not backwards compatible with debians stuff [16:46] well, he wouldn't haven given it to me :) [16:46] Blissex: erm, Mark Shuttleworth didnt GIVE, he OWNS [16:46] ubuntu's goals aren't exactly the same as debian's [16:47] i went to ubuntu website and whats kubuntu and edubuntu [16:47] zoly: then he hired a lot of Debian developers with that money. Those left behind may feel disappointed. [16:47] karusho: they are slight variants, a bit like MS Windows PRO vs. Home. [16:48] breezy badger? hoary hegehog? ubuntu uses wiered names... [16:48] ubuntu is the linux distribution of his company [16:48] karusho: Kubuntu is based on KDE, Ubuntu on GNOME, and Edubuntu has a collection of teacher-oriented packages. [16:48] mmhmm [16:48] well if they got left behind, poor them, you sit on your ass, dont expect any help [16:48] ubuntu is, gnome, debian, some X apps, some hardware detection (iirc, the same one red hat uses). what else? [16:48] karusho: all are the same base with different software installed [16:48] the ones who got hired, obviously had the right stuff, everyone else, meh [16:48] oh, X of course [16:48] karusho: it is a cretinous habit of many developer to feel cool and edgy. Creates an initiate-only sublanguage. [16:49] kosh[0]: well, he did not actually hire that many... So it was down to luck too. [16:49] zoly: no, ubuntu doesn't use kudzu for hw detection [16:49] Blissex: true [16:49] Triskelios: ok, i may be wrong on that one. [16:49] Blissex: but it's merely envy by the existing debian developers that THEIR version of debian, the SOURCE of debian, isnt used by many people [16:49] and the fact is, I dont blame em [16:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:50] I think debian doesnt keep pace with other things, like gnome, like kde [16:50] note that Debian has a really really small cash budget -- they had to make an effort to raise 500 dollars per month to pay hosting expenses. [16:50] ive seen ppl say that popular dists like red hat, fedora, mandrake, suse are horrible [16:50] is there anything which makes ubuntu special, compared to other debian derivatives? [16:50] karusho: i'd be one of those, heh. [16:50] zoly: it's targeted specifically towards the desktop [16:50] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-109-009.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:50] karusho: they are all horrible, including MS Windows, if you got a ''difficult'' PC. [16:50] Triskelios: also less politics, right? [16:50] by using gnome? [16:50] dificult as in? [16:50] amrit: aye [16:51] Blissex: which is weird, considering they arent in it for the money [16:51] Blissex: why would they need it? [16:51] zoly: sadly, yes (kubuntu is working quite well now ,though) [16:51] you sit at home in your spare time and code, thats what it's about right? not flashy conferences and all that [16:51] kosh[0]: well, if someone were to give 10 million dollars to Debian I am sure they could find ways to make a lot of things easier. [16:51] Triskelios: wouldn't you agree that _any_ distro with kde and.or gnome (most of them) would _have_ to be targetted for desktop use? [16:51] i cant decide what to use because xandros fans say xandros, lispire fans say linspir and ubuntu fans SHOUT ubunto and [16:52] you get my point [16:52] I think the reason they didnt get the 10 million, is cause mark obviously thought they didnt deserve it and he's going to put right a lot of wrongs in debian core [16:52] kde on server just doesn't cut it :) [16:52] and that he did [16:52] zoly: no. general distros have to be flexible [16:52] zoly: no, only that it's possible to use it on the desktop. which would be any distro. [16:52] kosh[0]: like hiring a team of permanent full time DDs for the core packages and running the infrastructure. That is, turning Debian into Ubuntu :-). [16:52] lol!! [16:52] I like your thinking :) [16:52] Blissex: DDs? [16:52] debian took so long to produce a graphical installer, does it have one now? I dont remember seeing it [16:52] amrit: its the standard acronym for Debian Developer. [16:53] kosh[0]: it's text based still. [16:53] oh wait, it's release candidate, LOL!! [16:53] Blissex: ah [16:53] thats what I mean [16:53] debian core, is just shit [16:53] yeah, it works [16:53] kosh[0]: ubuntu uses the same installer still [16:53] but compare it to fedora core 4? [16:53] i tried knoppix 4 dvd [16:53] well, it must be real shit if there's so many distros building on it, of course. [16:53] i couldn' t go online [16:53] Triskelios: point I was making was that debian core is years behind everyone else [16:54] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [16:54] Tcl error in script for 'timer544731': [16:54] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [16:54] i tried to go to the admin ip address [16:54] so the installer is text in ubuntu, I wouldnt be suprised if mark's little workers are working on that [16:54] flashy installers don't generally indicate anything about the quality of a distro though [16:54] Blissex (i=pcg@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:54] suse has a graphical installer ... [16:54] but it said that it was not allowed [16:54] or something [16:54] that boost the whole distribution [16:54] Triskelios: , they do portray a sense that you're putting a shine on the distribution thugh [16:54] make it very professional [16:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:55] I have spent days DLing dists and burned tons of CDs burning thm [16:55] not keeping up is debians biggest problems and I reckon offshoot distributions like ubuntu are gonna fix that [16:55] but i cant decide which to install [16:55] kosh[0]: right, a distro with enough resources to polish things in general will have a flashy installer [16:55] waht hapended to blissex? [16:55] debian is gonna be a reciever of a lot of things from other distributions, in order to catch up with suse and fedora [16:55] died [16:55] oh well im getting no answers here [16:55] Blissex tends to randomly disappear [16:56] lol [16:56] so im gonna go [16:56] bye [16:56] Triskelios: debian had loads of money at one time, then they had "foundations" and "conferences" and then, they had no money [16:56] can't think why [16:56] i hear there is apt-get for suse and fedora now? [16:56] karusho (i=karusho@adsl-68-121-149-49.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "BYEBYE" [16:56] they let all that money go to their head, now they got nothing and other people are doing what they should have done a long time ago, but failed [16:56] maybe debian should use the suse or red hat package manager .. what was its name? [16:56] zoly: there has been for a while. it's not quite optimal given the packaging, though [16:56] yeah, fedora has it, also has yum, which I think it's moving to [16:56] rpm [16:57] rpm is crap [16:57] heh [16:57] no, i mean one with dep handling, network access and such [16:57] well isnt rpm just a renamed zip/tar.gz package? [16:57] kosh[0]: no it's cpio with scripts and metadata [16:57] ahh, thats it [16:57] aint sure why they don't just use tar.gz [16:57] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-118-075.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:57] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [16:57] naming rpm the package manager is like saying "tar is the package manager" [16:57] obvioulsy a good reason [16:58] zoly: ? [16:58] zoly: rpm IS the package manager. [16:58] yeah, the tool is called rpm and the format is called rpm too [16:58] kosh[0]: you need the metadata to do reasonable things. the format isn't particularly important (aside from technical reasons) [16:58] NAME [16:58] rpm - RPM Package Manager [16:58] heh [16:58] haha, recursion [16:58] gotta love it. [16:58] was "red hat p m"| [16:59] they're clever these geeks arent they [16:59] zoly: yeah [16:59] karusho (i=karusho@adsl-68-121-149-49.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:59] now who removed the "red hat" part from rpm? [16:59] a competing distribution? [16:59] I aint really sure why people have format wars over deb and rpm, don't they just do the same thing? [16:59] im back [16:59] i forgot to ask: [16:59] I mean, is there anything each other does the other doesnt? [16:59] there was probably some decision made to change the name when it was used in multiple distros [16:59] wahts isohunt? [17:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:00] Writing user file... [17:00] Writing channel file... [17:00] considering we got yum/apt for rpm now [17:00] kosh[0]: distinguish between format and package manager, as in program [17:00] whats isohunt? [17:00] no, they store meatadata differently --> [20:03:01] I aint really sure why people have format wars over deb and rpm, don't they just do the same thing? [17:00] *metadata [17:00] with rpm, it is both, thus can be confused [17:00] it has a bunch of torrents and crap [17:00] and i search "xanros" [17:00] and if ind a torrent for xandros deluxe? [17:00] kosh[0]: but there is no program "deb" with debian, which serves as installer [17:00] i would guess is that the intent was "redhat package manager", but in keeping with oss tradition, they _had_ to name it "rpm pm" :) [17:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [17:01] but xandros deluxe is... costly [17:01] zoly: it's dpkg [17:01] what is isohunt? [17:01] zoly: no, there is dpkg though, which is what manages deb files, just like rpm does with err, rpm? weird sentence [17:01] geez everybody ignores me [17:02] JustSomeone (i=JustAnot@AC85D2BD.ipt.aol.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:02] its like im invisible [17:02] karusho: why not just goto distrowatch and find a torrent or sommat? [17:02] t [17:02] but i find a bunch of crap on isohunt [17:03] its like they have every os possible [17:03] they have mac os x for torrent [17:03] and windoze vista? [17:03] ... [17:03] i think the issue some people have with rpm is that there are suse rpms and redhat rpms, which are not always interchangable. [17:04] aarrrgggghhhhh!!!!!! [17:04] bye [17:04] you can't see when you got an rpm wether it works with your rpm bases distribution [17:04] damn [17:04] karusho (i=karusho@adsl-68-121-149-49.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "bye" [17:04] zoly: no, the issue is that they tend to break easily, and it's almost impossible tocreate a package properly [17:04] same problem with .deb arises mostly with different platform. other cpus thus [17:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:05] Triskelios: that would be true for ppl creating rpms, but most ppl are on the consuming end [17:06] redge- (n=redge@redge.electronicbox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:07] of course I don't need to point out that I never worry about problems with rpms :) [17:07] mandrake/mandriva is rpm too? [17:07] zoly: no, the problems with rpm make dependencies break at random, etc. [17:07] zoly: yes [17:08] can those be used with either suse or redhat, and vice versa? [17:08] zoly: don't count on it [17:09] it's a bit stupid when people can't agree on a standard layout of things like configuration files and...oh wait, LSB... :) [17:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:10] kosh[0], it's not in their commercial interests to agree [17:10] it's quite amusing when fedora third-party repositories all subscribe to different layouts [17:10] unix wars al over again [17:14] Triskelios, I might have used a more colorful term [17:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:16] mh_le_ (n=mads@port328.ds1-sg.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [17:18] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:19] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-008-089.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:19] agney (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) joined #linuxhelp. [17:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:24] does there exist a headless javascript capable browser (fetch a url, render its html/js, output to a text file or stdout) other than links? [17:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:25] BlackShuck (n=email@mgillespie.plus.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:26] when taring up a directory with the j flag, to bzip it, can I control the compression speed/size? [17:26] BlackShuck, no [17:26] bzip has a -9 [17:26] drat [17:26] BlackShuck, I don't believe you can pass it through [17:26] BlackShuck, but just pipe it [17:26] pipe it creates a temporary file tho? [17:26] BlackShuck, tar cvf - | bzip -9 > whatever.tar.bz2 [17:26] BlackShuck: no [17:26] BlackShuck, no [17:27] I don't have the room for a temporary file [17:27] BlackShuck, at least not one that you'll see [17:27] mh_le (n=mads@port328.ds1-sg.adsl.cybercity.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] altprsona (n=bloddyel@h244.141.140.67.ip.alltel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:27] BlackShuck, the temporary file is created whether you use the pipe or the -j [17:27] j, not dash j, sorry [17:27] really? [17:27] sethk: eh? it's just in a buffer either way [17:28] Triskelios, that's what I said [17:28] Triskelios, there is no difference [17:29] there's also no file actually created [17:29] Triskelios, either there is, or there isn't, a temporary file, but whether you pipe or use j makes no difference [17:29] right [17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:31] where do I specify the directory in the pip command? [17:31] having trouble... [17:32] tar cvf - | bzip -9 > output.tar.bz2 [17:33] is e2fsck's -D option worthwhile? do you actually see performance improvements? [17:34] Nick change: KohlInGA -> Kohl-AFK [17:34] mh_le_ (n=mads@port328.ds1-sg.adsl.cybercity.dk) left #linuxhelp. [17:34] Synx (n=synx@cpe-66-69-19-117.satx.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:35] litage, it really depends on the data [17:35] litage, you might, but it will be fairly modest [17:35] Could someone tell me what the xdelta release of auditor is, ie. i have no idea what xdelta is or means [17:35] Synx, well in general a delta is a release with just a small set of changes [17:36] roger [17:36] Synx, got a URL or any info about it? [17:37] JustSomeone (i=JustAnot@AC85D2BD.ipt.aol.com) left #linuxhelp. [17:37] sethk: just trying to get my atheros card working in auditor and i was told to get the latest xdelta release of auditor, however the only link i can find is for non ipw2200 laptops and ofcourse ive got a ipw lappy ;) [17:37] BlackShuck (n=email@mgillespie.plus.com) left #linuxhelp. [17:38] Synx, I meant anything elaborating on the xdelta release, something I might read which would let me tell you more specifically what is going on [17:38] nope, just said to get the latest xdelta release is all [17:39] cio (n=na@adsl-072-149-159-016.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:40] sethk: i seem to have found the release anyways, thanks for your help!! [17:40] Synx (n=synx@cpe-66-69-19-117.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] Synx, ok. It is definitely a small release to fix a specific issue [17:42] Nate_Grey (n=byte@gmp-inet36-6-32.gmpexpress.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] xdelta is a binary patch program, I think [17:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:46] Ramah (n=my@adsl-70-242-64-226.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:48] if I type mkdir ../blah where would the directory be created?? [17:48] Ramah, in . [17:48] On directory up. [17:49] Ramah, where else? [17:49] Ramah, .. [17:49] ? [17:49] Ramah, that is [17:49] ../ = one directory up, ./ = current dir [17:49] Ramah, sorry, I didn't type the second dot [17:49] Ramah, so if you create a directory in .., it is created in .. [17:49] one directory up from where you issued the command? [17:49] hmm [17:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:50] Ramah, one up from the current directory, which may or may not be where you issued the command if it happens to be in a script file [17:50] _atomi (n=atomi@pool-71-104-15-150.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:51] Emil_Zeuthen (n=emil@cpe.atm2-0-10837.0x50c766b2.bynxx14.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "exp(i * pi) + 1 = 0" [17:51] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:51] anyone here know *? [17:51] Bac9: what, a pointer? [17:52] oh sweet. Rhino is a command line javascript interpreter. [17:52] what if i issue the command from / ? [17:52] Bac9, what, anything at all? [17:52] the mkdir ../blah [17:52] Triskelios: asterisk [17:52] sethk: asterisk [17:52] Bac9, in what context? [17:52] the character, or the telephone switch? [17:52] sethk: in contect of using a sip client to access the asterisk demo [17:52] context* [17:53] Triskelios: the switch [17:53] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.220.55.70) left irc: Connection timed out [17:53] Bac9, I'd have to check the specs and the docs, I don't know off the top of my head. [17:53] Ramah: the parent of / is still / [17:53] thank you [17:53] sethk: oh, k, I was hoping someone would know, as I an n00b @ * [17:54] Bac9: try not to say things like that, that could be taken out of context [17:54] Bac9, sorry, it's not a very common question, although it is certainly a good one. [17:54] Triskelios: which things? [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:55] litage_ (n=nick@203.220.55.70) joined #linuxhelp. [17:55] Triskelios: n00b == new to, @ == at, * == asterisk (aparently quite common shorthand by the asterisk people) [17:55] sethk: thanx for trying [17:55] litage (n=nick@203.220.55.70) left irc: Connection timed out [17:56] Bac9: right, but * has a different meaning everywhere else [17:57] Triskelios: aside from "everything", but how can that be interpreted differently in the context of that statement? [17:57] well, not everywhere else, but frequently [17:58] Action: Bac9 glad the above statement wasn't interpreted by itself out of context [18:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:00] when trying to extract a tar.bz2 file I type tar -zxfw blahblah.tar.bz2 it gives me the error 'gzip: stdin: not in gzip format, tar: Child returned status 1 [18:00] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.220.55.70) joined #linuxhelp. [18:00] what does that mean? [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:01] Ramah: put f last [18:01] is my command wrong or is there an error in the file? [18:01] Ramah, first of all no dash [18:01] Ramah, second, the f has to be next to the file name [18:01] ok [18:01] the f has to be last? [18:01] Ramah, yes [18:01] Ramah, in this case [18:01] Ramah, well, in any case that f is used, actually [18:02] parameter follows option. option f requires filename. filename is not "w" [18:02] so I'd type tar zxwf ? [18:03] Nate_Grey (n=byte@gmp-inet36-6-32.gmpexpress.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:03] err [18:03] that's not the problem; f actually requires a space after it so it's ok [18:03] lol I'm sorry I am trying really hard [18:04] he's using z instead of j [18:04] Ramah, also you want j, not z [18:04] Triskelios, yes, I see that now [18:04] Triskelios, but the position of f is a significant [18:04] xvfj works [18:04] Triskelios, at least, it is here, I just tried. :) [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:05] Triskelios, the x has to be first [18:05] jx doesn't work, e.g. [18:06] yes, the first letter is a command, the rest are options [18:07] WesTAcE (n=WesTAcE@adsl-69-105-139-177.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:08] How do I 'undo' in linux? I just did "rm -fr /" and can't find my recyle bin. [18:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:10] cio, everybody's a commedian [18:10] As good as gon. [18:12] yea, and sepll godo 2 [18:12] to grand full access to a directory I can just type chown ble(pretend thats the username) /mnt/blah and then that group/user would have full read and write access? [18:13] Ramah: is /mnt/blah a filesystem that understands permissions? [18:14] umm lets try it with /home/blah [18:14] my mistake [18:14] Ramah, in addition to what Triskelios said, that would give the directory permissions but it would not change the ownership of any files [18:14] Ramah, you probably mean chown -R [18:14] chown -R if you want to apply to all subdirectories and files [18:14] ahh [18:14] thanks for all your help so far folks [18:14] I know my questions are simple [18:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:16] Action: Ramah hands outs kudos that appear to be wrapped like condoms ?wtf? [18:19] KingChango (n=KingChan@152-174-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #linuxhelp. [18:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:22] are there any disadvantages to using 4096 rather than 2048 bits for ssh keys? [18:22] speed I'd imagine [18:23] wfitzgerald: speed of what though? just key generation, or also encrypting and decrypting? [18:23] litage_, well it's got to use that key to encrypt [18:23] true, so yeah... [18:23] so the longer the key, the more math I'd imagine [18:24] yes, absolutely [18:24] encryption is expensive and more expensive as the key gets longer [18:24] otherwise everybody would just use very long keys [18:24] litage_, are we talking ssh or ipsec here ? [18:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:25] ssh [18:26] I dont think there's all that much more overhead in ssh as it only really uses the keys on the initial connection ... may be comply wrong here thouhg [18:26] once connected I think it's got a hash that it uses [18:27] try it ... if the machine is handling it ok then why not [18:28] wfitzgerald: yep exactly [18:28] anyone know how to connect to the internet in suse using a usb network adapter??? [18:28] alunduil (n=alunduil@24-119-32-184.cpe.cableone.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:28] i was really surprised when i found out that by default, ssh uses only 768-bit keys, and openssl only 1024-bit keys [18:29] but what does that really mean in the life of a hacker ? [18:29] are we talking 2 x as hard to hack your traffic [18:29] wfitzgerald: nope, the security isn't linear, but exponential [18:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [18:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:30] i think for now, the 256 bit challenge is on [18:30] from my opinion if you have someone smaert enough to crack 1024 ... your screwd anyway [18:30] wfitzgerald: for every bit you add, the # of possible keys doubles [18:30] brb [18:30] whe nthe keys get to a certain length, the security lies in the algorithm rather than the keylength [18:30] litage_, true [18:31] Triskelios: objection. [18:31] Triskelios: best algorithm is worthless with weak/short key [18:31] zoly: read the first part of my statement [18:32] ah. skipped it because i could make sense of whe nthe :) [18:32] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|eat [18:33] still objection. that describes affairs of today [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:35] makes sense to choose a longer key than strictly necessary for now, if you want to increase the time span your encrypted stuff remains so [18:36] if you have anything worth to en/decrypt of course [18:37] yes, the length of the key is to protect you from a brute force attack [18:37] the algorithm can be perfect but is useless with a short key [18:37] and zoly's point is key: how _long_ is protection required? [18:38] Vimes (n=kvirc@myw-stp-196-34-113-235.sentechsa.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:38] because if a brute force attack takes a year, and it is only sensitive for a week ... [18:38] jroes__ (i=jroes@everest.sosdg.org) left #linuxhelp. [18:38] that's only one aspect. another is, technology doesn't stand still [18:38] _jay (i=jay@cpe-24-160-91-211.houston.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:39] makes sense, but youd like to think the people who set the defaults took this into consideration [18:39] zoly: of course... take for example, a 1gbit key vs quantum computing... [18:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:40] they did, probably by settling for a default value which makes most sense for the majority of users [18:40] zoly, true ... I'l like to see a study on how long it take sto crack keys of certain lengths [18:40] WesTAcE (n=WesTAcE@adsl-69-105-139-177.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left #linuxhelp. [18:41] wfitzgerald: it's easily calculable [18:41] wfitzgerald: there are continuously distributed crack attempts going on [18:41] really? [18:41] whenever a key is broken, the length increases [18:41] <_jay> I have a really stupid question. You used to be able to type in "init 1 " in a xterm to get back to a console, but that doesn't seem to work anymore. I also changed the init default in /etc/inittab, but that didn't work either [18:41] wfitzgerald: assuming there are no collisions [18:41] so how long does it take to crack a 1024 bit key ? [18:41] as said, i think they are busy trying to crack 256 bits now [18:41] 128 bits took iirc about 4 months [18:41] <_jay> how do I get debian to start up to a console? [18:42] wow [18:42] zoly: correction; they are trying to find a collision [18:42] calculated 80 % of keyspace for it [18:43] _jay, init 3, not 1 [18:44] that collision problem is partly bogus, because they only get a collision by changing the key length. So if the key length is known, there is no collision [18:44] philc (n=reformis@pcp09958035pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:44] <_jay> ok, thanks. I'll give that a try. [18:44] _jay (i=jay@cpe-24-160-91-211.houston.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:48] philc (n=reformis@pcp09958035pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:48] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:53] at the end of the day, it all boils down to making informed decisions based on your cryptographic needs [18:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:56] Nate_Grey (n=byte@gmp-inet36-6-32.gmpexpress.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:56] litage_, unfortunately, that's not true. Several times recently vulnerabilities have been discovered in algorithms thought to be secure [18:56] Nick change: amrit|eat -> amrit [18:56] t35t0r (n=t35t0r@adsl-154-186-21.bna.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:57] Nate_Grey (n=byte@gmp-inet36-6-32.gmpexpress.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:57] sethk: yes, and that's why you need to be informed when you make the decision, as well as afterwards [18:58] sethk: so that not if, but *when* something new like that comes along, you're able to adapt appropriately [18:58] litage_, no, it means you can do all the right things and still not succeed [18:58] litage_, it means that it is impossible to really know if the data is secure [18:58] litage_, as is well known, it is an NP complete problem [18:59] sethk: yes of course; you can only do so much, which is generally acceptable [18:59] Nick change: litage_ -> litage [18:59] litage_, actually, you can do more, but at the moment nobody bothers [18:59] sethk: what more can you do? [19:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:00] Writing user file... [19:00] Writing channel file... [19:00] litage, use a programming language with provably correct results [19:00] litage, of which there are three or four available [19:00] litage, but they are much more difficult to use [19:00] sethk: which languages are those? [19:00] KingChango (n=KingChan@152-174-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:00] litage, haskell, clean, off the top of my head. there are a few others [19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [19:01] litage, probably some I don't know about as well [19:01] Triskelios: sorry, not just for collisions. plaintext. such as "See you in Rome", "This is why you should use longer keys" and such. [19:01] litage, see www.haskell.org for some interesting info [19:01] pmts (n=pmts@p54A3C5E7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone" [19:01] KingChango (n=KingChan@152-174-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #linuxhelp. [19:01] thanks [19:01] zoly, I think he means that the specific test in question is for a collision [19:01] zoly, because the supposed vulnerability involves a collision [19:02] zoly, but, as I said, it is a collision with a different key length and so it is bogus [19:02] zoly, the one claiming a problem with a 128 byte key and supposedly duplicating it on a 256 byte key [19:02] zoly, but in general, you are correct, the data is vulnerable [19:02] if the collision is real, which IMHO it isn't [19:03] one method for determining whether an message has been "correctly" deciphered is, measuring the letter spectrum, i.e. assuming "real" text, with more letter e, then t and so on. if the result conforms to that spectrum, it may be a good key (when brute-forcing keys) [19:04] i think that's what the EFF did with Deep Crack with the DES3 challenge [19:04] zoly, that isn't necessary. If you get a brute force decryption to english, you can simply scan for "the" "and" and such and find out that it's a good decryption in about 2 milliseconds [19:04] if the plaintext is long enough, yes [19:04] but "See you in Rome" doesn't contain any of these words [19:04] Mxyzpltk (n=fede@216.194.173.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:04] zoly, if the plain text is not long enough for that, it isn't long enough for a letter frequency distribution test either [19:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:05] but evidently it worked [19:05] zoly, see you in rome is not really something worth protecting [19:05] sethk: are lisp and scheme languages with provably correct results? [19:05] Mxyzpltk (n=fede@nat1.inalambrica.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:05] zoly, I doubt it. I'm sure they did that after the fact [19:05] litage, no [19:05] usually, for those challenging, you do not really put text in which is worth protecting [19:05] after all, you expect that it may get decrypted ... [19:05] zoly, challenging isn't important. real data is important [19:05] changing the plaintext skews the results [19:06] challenge, as in "try to decrypt this" [19:06] but is irrrelevant [19:06] zoly, the only thing that matters is whether real data can be decrypted [19:06] sethk: why are lisp and scheme not? [19:06] litage, they are only near functional languages [19:06] litage, they have the same problems as more common languages [19:06] sethk: like this for example: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2108 [19:07] zoly, that makes no difference. The only thing that matters is whether a method is useful for decrypting real data [19:07] zoly, who cares what happens with deliberately skewed test data? [19:07] zoly, although in general the length of encrypted data is rarely short [19:07] sethk: what are those problems you speak of? [19:07] if you decrypt the cypher text, you demonstrate that the method is useful... [19:08] litage, lack of referential transparency, side effects from executing statements, primarily [19:08] right, that was 1999 [19:08] litage: no, if I encrypt the letter "a" and someone cracks it, it means nothing [19:08] but it wasn't put an end to decryption challenges then [19:08] zoly, no, you demonstrate the method is useful for decrypting the cypher text. But I don't care about that [19:08] sethk: what is referential transparecny? [19:09] litage, basically the core problem is that the results are different depending on the order of execution of code whose order is nondeterministic [19:09] cyphertext -> succesful decryption -> plaintext . now what _would_ you care for if not for plaintext? [19:09] litage, you'll find the technical definition of that in the wikipedia; the wikipedia is actually fairly good on this issue (unlike many others) [19:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:10] zoly, real, encrypted data that is not deliberately skewed for testing purposes [19:10] zoly, but it doesn't matter, because, as I said, the length of encrypted data is rarely short and any of a few hundred tests for successful decryption work fine [19:10] you mean, other words in the text than are actually used? [19:10] zoly, the point is that in the real world there is _no_ case where a letter frequency distribution test works but a word distribution test fails. [19:10] canoma (n=jk@S01060080c6f079cd.vc.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:11] zoly, and your example about "rome" is meaningless [19:11] thanks for that info, sethk [19:11] zoly, which was my point in the first place [19:11] litage, it's an interesting issue [19:11] sethk: that's just one way to pre-test for success [19:11] litage, lots of work being done in that area [19:11] Inv_arp (i=junya@adsl-156-145-65.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:11] whether the tried key could be rigth [19:11] right [19:11] zoly, you objected to my test. I said your objection is invalid. [19:11] zoly, if you want to pretest it I suppose I have no objection :) [19:12] using your method of testing key correctness, the plaintext couldn't have been found [19:12] sethk: how do haskell and other functional languages compare to languages such as C and Perl in terms of performance and speed? [19:12] litage, they are slower. In the hands of a very skilled programmer, somewhat slower [19:12] litage, in the hands of a poor programmer, horribly slower [19:12] Inv_arp (i=junya@adsl-156-145-65.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:12] cio (n=na@adsl-072-149-159-016.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: [19:12] anyone worked with SAML before ? [19:13] litage, that's one of the problems with them. Just about anybody can hack out almost decent speed with C++, say. [19:14] sethk: hrmm. what causes functional languages to be significantly slower than imperative languages? [19:14] litage, that's complicated. Why don't you ask that question over in #haskell? I'm there and some other people who know more about this than I do are as well [19:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:15] litage, it's kind of arcane and probably most people here don't really care much. :) [19:16] sethk: heheh true. i'm being quite off-topic =P [19:16] litage: it's the good kind of off-topic [19:17] 576 bit number have been factored by now, btw. [19:17] Triskelios: true, but off-topic nonetheless [19:17] that's the last of the factoring challenges, successfully completed, as far [19:18] zoly: now that's really off-topic [19:18] not really. affects choice of key length [19:19] that number is product of two prime numbers, i didn't say that [19:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:20] WhyvasLT (n=whyvas@fctnnbsc15w-156034090229.nb.aliant.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:20] many strong encryption algorithms today are based on the difficulty of factoring large numbers [19:20] can anyone hit www.prism54.org? [19:20] cavalry (i=cavalry@24-51-195-82.miamfl.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:21] Nikyo (i=shinobi@pool-141-154-230-56.bos.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:21] that's here: http://www.rsasecurity.com/rsalabs/node.asp?id=2096 [19:22] bash: /sbin/reboot: Input/output error [19:22] what can be the problem and how can I reboot the server? [19:22] zoly: true [19:22] no shutdown/reboot/halt working [19:22] cavalry: disk is dead [19:22] would reboot solve? [19:22] do you have physical access? [19:22] no [19:22] not at the moment [19:23] how can I reboot? [19:23] remotely [19:23] canoma (n=jk@S01060080c6f079cd.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:23] WhyvasLT (n=whyvas@fctnnbsc15w-156034090229.nb.aliant.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:23] TheBonsai (n=bonsai@p54934B67.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:24] Chay_Invalid (i=sh00b@69.146.226.155) joined #linuxhelp. [19:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:25] echo "5" > /proc/sys/kernel/panic [19:25] TheBonsai (n=bonsai@p5493700E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:25] nothing [19:26] hold on, I have to look up how to cause a panic via procfs [19:26] is there a reason you want to reboot? the system's not likely to come back up [19:26] i wanna try to see that [19:27] other wise I have to drive 90miles [19:27] _detox (n=detox@cpe-24-28-66-234.austin.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:27] are you able to check dmesg? [19:27] nop [19:29] i changed the rsa and dsa keys on one of my servers. when i ssh'd into that box though, there was no mention of a new key. in fact, it mentioned the old fingerprint. what might be going on? [19:29] cavalry: your shutdown got to the point already where your fiel systems have been synced, and umount attempted? [19:29] file systems... [19:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [19:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:32] litage: won't affect your login into the server. change your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys [19:32] zoly: why will it not affect logging in to the server? [19:33] because the pub key for logging in is in authorized_keys, and the corresponding private key on the machine from where you log in. [19:33] cavalry: ok, echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger assuming you have sysrq enabled [19:34] cavalry: echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq if you don't [19:34] Budd (n=eric@pool-70-17-136-150.wma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:35] zoly: hrmm. so what is ~/.ssh/known_hosts for? [19:35] Nikyo (i=shinobi@pool-141-154-230-56.bos.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:35] fingerprints of hosts you have logged in from the server [19:35] cool now I cant even ssh [19:35] say, outgoing logins, not incoming ones [19:36] zoly: he's talking about the host key, not auth key [19:36] Triskelios: rsa and dsa keys for ssh'ing into server,. [19:37] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:37] he says [19:37] vexation (n=vexati0n@host-69-145-63-12.csp-wy.client.bresnan.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:37] "i changed the rsa and dsa keys on one of my servers. when i ssh'd into that box though, there was no mention of a new key." [19:37] how do i find/install the kernel includes in my distro ? [19:37] kernal header files* [19:37] zoly: no, rsa and dsa are used for host keys as well [19:39] but he wonders why the systems doesn't notify him when ssh'ing into that machine... [19:39] zoly: exactly [19:39] that's why i tell him "authorized_keys" and private key on his own machine [19:39] zoly: authorized_keys has nothing to do with host keys [19:39] ok. you help him [19:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:40] you seem to understand the problem better than i do [19:40] Triskelios: if a box's rsa and dsa keys have changed and the box is listed in your known_hosts file, shouldn't ssh warn of a man in the middle attack if you try to ssh into the box with that has new keys? [19:40] litage: yes. this implies that said change hasn't taken effect [19:41] Triskelios: hrm. i explicitly, manually removed the 4 old keys: ssh_host_{r,d}sa_key[.pub] [19:42] delltony (n=delltony@c-24-98-73-58.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:42] hey all I'm working on some stuff with bash and ran into a problem. Its hard for me to explain but could I dcc the screenshot to someone that might be able to help me resolve my issue? I'm trying to create a bash profile [19:42] anyone here use moto4lin? [19:42] Triskelios: and then created new keys with ``ssh-keygen -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key -t rsa -b 2048 -N ''`` and ``ssh-keygen -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -t dsa -b 2048 -N ''`` [19:44] litage: there may also by another rsa1 key (may be specific to ssh1 compatibility) named ssh_host_key [19:44] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:45] Killer_of_U (n=icechat5@ppp-69-148-182-78.dialup.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:45] Triskelios: i have no ssh_host_key, and ssh v1 is disabled on all of my boxes [19:45] ack brb [19:46] Codename_V (n=V@pdpc/supporter/silver/Codename-V) joined #linuxhelp. [19:48] so Im trying to build Linux From Scratch 6.1, but Im having a problem compiling GCC 3.4.3 [19:49] gnubien (n=e@88.244.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:49] Triskelios: so if i'm not using ssh v1, what else could be the problem? [19:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:50] the sshd simply hasn't been restarted, or is looking elsewhere for its config [19:52] Triskelios: ah, sshd needs to be restarted! [19:52] Action: litage slaps his head =P [19:52] regeya (n=shane@dialup-4.252.199.200.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:52] Action: Triskelios yawns [19:52] at least it was a dumb mistake! [19:53] and not something more serious [19:54] http://www.sitesled.com/members/ramah/darn.bmp < - I apolagize for the bmp jpg isn't supported by the site but this is the problem I am experiencing [19:54] Ramah: um, couldn't you just paste text to a pastebin? [19:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:55] I was pasting from within virtual pc [19:55] lol [19:55] that server also doesn't recognise bmp, so it wants the browser to display as text [19:55] Ramah, I think you mean umask, not umash [19:56] huh thats weird the link works for me [19:56] you have to open with paint I think [19:56] what sethk said. [19:56] Ramah, we aren't using windows [19:56] I'll just transcribe into text [19:56] Ramah, I already told you what is wrong [19:56] Ramah, just fix it [19:56] omg I missed it [19:57] :) [19:57] wow... [19:57] thanks so much [19:58] Im trying to build Linux From Scratch also, except GCC is being a jerk when I try to compile it [19:58] Ramah, check the simple things first [19:58] cavalry (i=cavalry@24-51-195-82.miamfl.adelphia.net) left irc: [19:58] Chay_Invalid: insult its mother [19:58] i read it over a few times it just... never occured to me [19:58] Ive tried that. [19:58] it processed just fine umash 022 [19:58] Chay_Invalid, hit it with a hammer [19:58] hammers are dangerous [19:59] so are mothers [19:59] hmm [19:59] Chay_Invalid: what's it do? [19:59] that is true [20:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:00] Writing user file... [20:00] Writing channel file... [20:00] give me errors, it says "stdio.h: No such file or directory" [20:00] Chay_Invalid: you probably made a mistake somewhere back with the instructions [20:00] this is your first compile of gcc? the distro you're building with prob doesn't have development stuff installed [20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [20:01] Ive checked, I didnt make a mistake, and yes first compile, Ive gone by the LFS book exactly [20:01] are you using the lfs livecd? [20:02] yep [20:02] Chay_Invalid: do you have /usr/include/stdio.h ? [20:02] yes [20:03] if it's the live cd, it should have no problems, given its entire purpose for existance is to build lfs [20:03] I know, and apparently Im not the only one that's had this problem [20:03] Chay_Invalid: Chay_Invalid, hit it with a hammer [20:04] I've had lots of problems [20:04] make broke itself somehow [20:04] i successfully got binutils done [20:04] went to gcc and make pooped out [20:04] chino2 (n=John@pcp09997266pcs.narlington.nj.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:05] how do i convert windows files into a unix one ? [20:05] chino2: what do you mean? files are just files [20:05] yeah I dont know what's up, it might be something I'm doing - or not doing [20:05] Chay_Invalid, it's definitely either something you are doing, or something you are not doing [20:06] Ramah: if make is returning an error, it means part of the build failed. it's not directly related to make; make is directing the build process [20:07] osiris247 (n=osiris24@c-67-162-163-67.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "getting a life outside the boX" [20:08] rsrado (i=rado@static-213-240-229-226.megalan.bg) joined #linuxhelp. [20:08] http://chay_invalid.home.bresnan.net/gcc-compile-error.txt [20:08] so thats it [20:08] today i tried qtorrent for the first time [20:08] it works ok, but when i said it to pause some torrents - i cannot find a way to resume them [20:09] is this a bug, and how to workarround without restarting torrents [20:09] :\ [20:09] i have to recompile my kernel [20:09] vexation, congradulations. So what? [20:09] :) [20:09] _static_bsd_user (n=_static_@email.agire.com) joined #linuxhelp. [20:09] im an awful noob. [20:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:10] vexation, don't worry, it isn't really difficult to do [20:10] vexation, it might sound intimidating but it isn't difficult [20:10] in most cases it's also not particularly necessary for an unexperienced user [20:11] no but im installing vmware [20:11] can i dl a standard linux kernel and compile it/reboot ? [20:12] what? why do you have to build a linux kernel for vmware? [20:13] cause it can't find the kernel header files [20:13] newpers (n=newpers@ip24-251-175-240.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:13] so i found a troubleshooter that says i probly need to compile my kernel again with SMP support this time [20:13] my printer stopped printing for some reason. is it ok to clear everything out of /var/spool/cups [20:13] CafeDelMar (n=Gravelin@adsl-121-236.swiftdsl.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [20:13] actually all i need is C header files that match my currently running kernel. [20:14] vexation: your distro will have that [20:14] newpers, it might be, but I don't think it will help you [20:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:15] the printer wasn't on when i tried printing the first time. now no documents will print [20:15] it may have but it's not where it's supposed to be and i dunno where to look :/ [20:15] is there a commandline driven audio program avaliable (i'd like to make a progam like audacity, automatically start recording whatever the sound card is set to and to save it as a low profile mp3 (radio quality) [20:15] /user/src/linux/include doesnt exist [20:15] vexation: now would be a good time to take some time to familiarise yourself with your distro's package management [20:15] usr* [20:16] vexation: the linux headers may be in a different location (if prepackaged). you can make a symlink, though [20:16] vexation, user, not usr? [20:16] typo [20:16] osiris247 (n=osiris24@c-67-162-163-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:17] ok [20:17] just in case you were actually looking for that. :) [20:17] nah [20:18] i can tell the config program where to look for the headers [20:18] yanger: arecord to stdout, pipe to an mp3 encoder [20:18] there are headers in /usr/include but the config file says they're probably not the right ones [20:19] agney-home (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) joined #linuxhelp. [20:19] vexation: it's correct. /usr/include/linux are linux headers for applications, kernel stuff goes elsewhere [20:19] yea [20:19] where would that be tho [20:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:20] vexation: find the linux headers package for your distro first [20:20] then list the files it installs [20:20] himitsu (n=Himitsu@210.81.234.252) joined #linuxhelp. [20:21] rsa is only used during session initiation when ssh'ing, right? [20:21] agney (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:21] Nick change: agney-home -> agney [20:22] rsrado (i=rado@static-213-240-229-226.megalan.bg) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050925]" [20:22] chino2 (n=John@pcp09997266pcs.narlington.nj.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [20:22] should that be at the distro site or kernel.org [20:23] litage: correct. session ciphers are stuff like aes, blowfish [20:24] vexation: should be in your distro's package managment if you have a reasonable distro [20:24] litage, I think that you can override the defaults, so it's more correct to say that the default behavior is whatever [20:24] danke [20:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:25] MegaByte (n=x1@201.29.176.183) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [20:25] its a major distro so i'll look there [20:27] kernel-source package? [20:27] Chay_Invalid (i=sh00b@69.146.226.155) left irc: [20:28] more likely "kernel-headers" or "kernel-devel" [20:28] punkcut (n=punkcut@64-121-11-26.c3-0.sfpo-ubr2.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:29] all ihave is the kernel itself [20:29] or kernel-source [20:29] weird, ok. that'll do [20:29] hmm.. or.. kernel-xbox [20:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [20:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:30] Action: vexation didnt know xbox used linux [20:30] <_blue> it CAN, its basically a PC is all. [20:30] <_blue> with special firmware that can play the discs MS engineers for it. [20:30] o [20:30] <_blue> the new Xbox is gonna be something to look at. [20:30] <_blue> havent been able to find the specs on it yet, havnet tried ver yhard either. [20:31] ok so that installed something in /usr/src/linux-2.6.12-12mdk [20:31] Graveling (n=Gravelin@adsl-121-236.swiftdsl.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:31] do u know which subfolder to specify? [20:32] keter (n=NOne@ool-44c26302.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:37] yetistomps (n=yetistom@pcp03751931pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:38] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [20:38] Tcl error in script for 'timer551135': [20:38] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [20:38] amrit: i was able to finally use the internet and my LAN. the /etc/resolv.conf worked fine.. eventhought the FIRST line was always the router's nameserver..but the second and third were my ISP's DNS servers. [20:39] yetistomps: good to hear that. so, what was the solution in the end? last night is a bit of a haze [20:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:40] it was all in the hidden comment: #auth in the pppscript.... LOL [20:40] i just had to uncomment it. [20:41] yetistomps: ahhh, right. good stuff :) [20:43] phew.. what an ordeal last night. [20:44] heheh [20:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:46] i have to compile a new kernel for USBKEY mounting automatically... i dunno what kernel to use though.. I heard horror stories with 2.4.6. series.. [20:46] argg [20:46] yetistomps: err.. 2.4.6? why would you build a kernel that old? [20:46] got it installed and configured but now i try to run it and it says its not correctly configured :/ [20:47] err.. sorry.. i haven't been upto date with kernels... [20:47] 2.6 series? [20:47] yetistomps: ah. [20:48] yetistomps: you're using slack, right. cd 2 (or is it 3?) has a testing/ directory with a 2.6 kernel prebuilt [20:48] slack..yup. 10.2 [20:48] vexation (n=vexati0n@host-69-145-63-12.csp-wy.client.bresnan.net) left irc: [20:49] tsp (n=tyler@S01060013102699ac.vc.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:49] prebuilt eh...hmm.. i have to read up on that how to install and compile.. Never did a kernel compile but i think i am forced to learn now..in order to use my usbkey. [20:49] ok... stupid question, i know. [20:49] maybe not even the right channel. [20:49] but when buying cd-r media, does xpcs (e.g. 50pcs) mean 50 disks in the spindle? [20:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:50] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|afk [20:50] tsp: yes [20:50] yetistomps: yeah.. there's a kernel compile howto on tldp.org [20:51] Action: amrit|afk gone [20:51] thanks [20:51] tsp (n=tyler@S01060013102699ac.vc.shawcable.net) left #linuxhelp. [20:51] tsp (n=tyler@S01060013102699ac.vc.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:51] Action: tsp idles here [20:51] <_blue> heh. [20:53] lol it's so weird how many people have the misconception that blind people type using a speech to text interface. [20:54] spellbound (n=roger@ip68-7-82-120.sd.sd.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:54] the uncountable number of times that I've been asked if I have a braille keyboard astounds me. [20:54] eawol_hom (n=awol@CPE-60-226-240-41.sa.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [20:54] eawol_hom (n=awol@CPE-60-226-240-41.sa.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:54] although you can buy a keyboard that allows entry in braille using a computer - that's sort of cool - but I can type faster on a qwerty keyboard than on a braille one [20:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:55] eawol_hom (n=awol@CPE-60-226-240-41.sa.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [20:55] eawol_hom (n=awol@CPE-60-226-240-41.sa.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:57] I have a SATA DVD burner connected to a SIL card (sata_sil module). I can't find the DVD burner on the system after boot. where should I be looking? as far as I can tell from dmesg, the burner is detected and assigned to scsi1 [20:57] spellbound: does it say sda on the dmesg? [20:58] tsp, no, no mention of sda in dmesg [20:59] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:00] Writing user file... [21:00] Writing channel file... [21:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [21:01] yetistomps (n=yetistom@pcp03751931pcs.walngs01.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:01] if anyone here has done lfs does it really matter what its called and where the first directory is located? [21:01] Ramah: how so? [21:01] spellbound: do you have scsi cd support enabled in your kernel? [21:01] here's the relevant piece from dmesg: http://pastebin.com/389803 [21:01] does it matter if I put the binutils-build directory under /home/lfs compared to /mnt/lfs/ [21:01] can someone help explain LVM2 to me. I have a hard disk, that hard disk has partitions. Those partitions go into a volume group, and logical volumes are created from a volume group right? [21:02] Ramah, no, not really, as long as the paths are correct [21:02] it says, cdrom: open failed. I'm wondering if that's in reference to another CD burner I have on /dev/hdc [21:03] thanks [21:03] spellbound: i think that your missing scsi disk support or something in your kernel or scsi cdrom support [21:03] tsp, this is a stock FC4 kernel. there is a /proc/scsi [21:04] spellbound: hmmm. not sure then. [21:04] I wish I had sata then my computer would scream [21:04] i have some very specific questions about javascript; can you guys suggest a channel? i'm already on irc.mozilla.org [21:04] tsp, thanks for trying :) [21:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:05] dtm: how about #javascript [21:05] np [21:05] Ramah: oh geez. that would make sense. thanks :) [21:05] Does anyone know any decent photo management software? Digikam is annoying me because it insists on copying files around, and it does it very slowly.... iOta insists on renaming and using a very structured format.... [21:05] :) [21:06] dtm, i while ago i had a very specific question. people on GimpNet were able to help me, but nobody on freenode [21:07] unluckily i forgot which channel that was there [21:07] where do you guys learn all this linux stuff? I call myself an intermediate/advanced linux user, but don't browse the web much besides a few sites like just slashdot [21:07] zoly: kthx [21:07] tsp: desperation in a professional situation ;) [21:07] tsp: they hang out in here [21:08] tsp: what linux stuff, specifically? [21:08] an ssl certificate is created using the # of bits specified in the var default_bits in openssl.cnf, right? [21:08] ah [21:08] heh [21:08] hang out in here - good idea [21:08] then troll the logs for urls [21:09] Action: tsp idles [21:09] Cashel (n=doc@24.20.134.100) joined #linuxhelp. [21:09] there's an alternative for chasing URL [21:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:10] look here: http://irc-urls.net/list.php [21:14] zoly: what exactly is that page? [21:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:15] shows urls and nicks of people who typed or pasted URLs into various irc channels [21:16] you can filter, or display thumbnails of image urls [21:16] some bare skin among those images sometimes. [21:17] http://irc-urls.net/pics.php thumbnails are here [21:19] look here: http://irc-urls.net/list.php?c=&n=litage&s= [21:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:20] heh nice [21:20] are SSL certificates using 4096-bit keys widely supported, or should one stick to 1024 bits due to restrictions with current programs? [21:22] _static_bsd_user (n=_static_@email.agire.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:23] Nick change: GeniXPro -> genixpro [21:24] litage, got a site using the 4k keys? I'll check it out w/ different browsers for ya.... [21:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:26] netbots: error - update check recipients 'YourNick' are invalid. [21:26] Cashel: i don't have any yet that are publicly available, sorry [21:27] s/sorry/thanks anyways/ [21:27] no skin off my back :P [21:29] eawol_hom (n=awol@CPE-60-226-240-41.sa.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [21:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [21:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:30] eawol_hom (n=awol@CPE-60-226-240-41.sa.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [21:31] tsp (n=tyler@S01060013102699ac.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:31] Cashel (n=doc@24.20.134.100) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [21:31] Cashel: IE6 just successfully used a 1024-bit SSL cert, so... [21:33] WesTAcE (n=WesTAcE@adsl-69-105-139-177.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:33] question-- When i turn on the computer it has a login screen where i choose whether to load windows or Suse, and after a certain amount of time when i don't press anything, it automatically loads suse, how do i make it so it automatically loads windows? [21:34] sethk (n=seth@amethyst.cql.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:34] sethk (n=seth@amethyst.cql.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:34] <_blue> how much shoudld i be paying for a 512MB miniSD flash card? [21:34] _blue, $4.95 [21:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:35] _blue, or, if you buy it from me, $1500.00 [21:35] <_blue> wt....F? [21:35] _blue, hey, I only need to sell one [21:35] <_blue> :P [21:35] <_blue> miniSD [21:35] <_blue> how much'd you get it for? [21:36] regeya (n=shane@dialup-4.252.199.200.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [21:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:44] annex (n=nick@d57-192-143.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:44] _static_bsd_user (n=_static_@email.agire.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:45] jason0_ (n=jason@c-24-19-8-31.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:45] Anyone have luck installing the ATI drivers on fc4 x86_64? I think I have, but my fgl_glxgears gets ~150-350 frames per second. [21:47] featherball (i=1001@ppp1232.hay.dialup.dodo.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [21:47] yuck [21:47] WesTAcE (n=WesTAcE@adsl-69-105-139-177.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left #linuxhelp. [21:48] yuck what - fc4, fglrx, x86_64? [21:48] <_static_bsd_user> Need help with RAID: Ive got hardware RAID1 setup, however redhat EL 4 seems to ignore it and thus shows the 2 drives upon installation. Am i missing something? [21:48] yuck 150 frames ... [21:49] _static_bsd_user, you probably have firmware raid, not hardware raid [21:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:50] It's unfortunate [21:50] jason0_: do the X logs look ok? you could try #ati [21:51] <_static_bsd_user> Nope, its hardware raid alright, its an adaptec AIC 7902 RAID controller. Its been setup like any other installation. [21:51] _static_bsd_user, shouldn't hardware raid look just like an ordinary drive? [21:51] _static_bsd_user, hmm. very strange that linux sees it as two drives then [21:52] <_static_bsd_user> thats what im saying it should be completely transparent. [21:52] _static_bsd_user, ok, just checking. [21:52] do you guys know how to use a base64 tool on linux to decode using an alternate character set? [21:52] _static_bsd_user, for grins, have you tried the hardware in another o/s? [21:53] brb.. [21:53] jason0_ (n=jason@c-24-19-8-31.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:53] litage (n=nick@203.220.55.70) left irc: "Leaving" [21:54] <_static_bsd_user> nah, weve set it up the same way numerous times and works fine under windows. This is the first time trying it under linux [21:54] _static_bsd_user: any other devices, such as /dev/md0 ? [21:54] litage (n=nick@203.220.55.70) joined #linuxhelp. [21:54] punkass (n=punkass@S01060011956b4733.cc.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:54] _static_bsd_user, ok, so this particular hardware is known good under windows? [21:54] <_static_bsd_user> yeah [21:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:55] [21:54] *** now talking in #debian [21:55] [21:54] *** topic is GETTING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | /msg dpkg sarge firefox | X.org in sid, etch and /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | Java -> /msg dpkg java | /msg dpkg kde3.4 | NO MORE non-us /msg dpkg crypto in main [21:55] [21:54] *** set by TML on Thu Sep 29 07:03:38 2005 [21:55] [21:54] -ChanServ- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and we will try our best to answer it. Newcomers should read the channel's guidelines by typing "/msg dpkg guidelines". Please do not paste in the channel; use #flood instead. Thank you. [21:55] [21:54] *** channel #debian mode is +tncPLlfJ 754 #debian-overflow 25,10 [21:55] [21:54] *** channel created at Fri Feb 09 15:16:24 2001 [21:55] [21:54] tvn, i don't have a /etc/fonts/local.conf [21:55] [21:54] liable: which module do I want to see in lsmod.... ndiswrapper? [21:55] [21:54] peterS, lol XD meanie =P [21:55] whoa [21:55] <_static_bsd_user> like i said, i was under the impression hardware raid was transparent. [21:55] sorry. [21:55] #linuxhelp: mode change '+o Triskelios' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:56] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [21:56] is there an easy way to get the horizsync and vertrefresh for an old old monitor? [21:56] _static_bsd_user, read this: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-scsi/2003-July/000349.html [21:56] punkass: how old is that? [21:56] its from an ibm ps1 [21:57] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [21:57] its a 15" crt [21:57] dtm: what alternate charset? you could probably just translate it to the regular base64 rnage [21:57] punkass: look up model here: http://www.monitorworld.com/ [21:57] when X starts the screen just flickers all over..so i assume the refresh rate is to high or something [21:57] thanks [21:58] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [21:58] Triskelios: i have some evil stuff written in javascript but i dont know how to do that anyway [21:58] Triskelios: it's the regular charset but it starts with a "." [21:59] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [21:59] dtm: remove that "." then? =) [21:59] Triskelios: i have three js files containing variables containing encoded data and one decoder library js file [21:59] apache is writing huge #s of notice messages, such as "/var/log/user.log.0:38189:Sep 15 00:43:57 owl apache-ssl: login_form.php(1): ldapserver::isLoginAttrEnabled(): Returning (1)" how can i disable these? [22:00] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [22:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/1 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:00] Writing user file... [22:00] Writing channel file... [22:00] punkass: wow.. the oldest IBM kit I've used was a PS/2 [22:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [22:01] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [22:01] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9B7C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [22:01] litage: make apache not log to syslog [22:01] #linuxhelp: mode change '-o Triskelios' by Triskelios!n=aroha_e@pcp0011287510pcs.mtromd01.md.comcast.net [22:01] ps/1 came later iirc [22:02] Triskelios: probably the 8512/8513/8514 monitor you had? [22:02] daniel_ (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) joined #linuxhelp. [22:04] jason0_ (n=jason@c-24-19-8-31.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:04] So I just recompiled the kernal module and tried to redo my x.org config for 2 monitors/2 drivers (had one big desktop), with no luck, I think the performance was worse! [22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:05] zoly: looks like it [22:05] newpers (n=newpers@ip24-251-175-240.ph.ph.cox.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [22:05] display: :0.0 screen: 0 [22:05] OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. [22:05] OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9550 Generic [22:05] OpenGL version string: 1.3.5272 (X4.3.0-8.16.20) [22:06] jason0_, I've not seen performance degradation with that setup [22:06] jason0_, of course, mine is actually working [22:06] jason0_, and not precisely the same hardware, but close :) [22:06] 684 frames in 5.0 seconds = 136.800 FPS [22:08] Interesting.. [22:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:10] (from x.org.log) (II) fglrx(0): Acceleration enabled [22:12] orko (n=dean@203.31.238.46) joined #linuxhelp. [22:12] punkass, 640x480 at 60 hz is always available :) [22:12] punkass, I'd guess 800x600 @ 70 would be good there [22:14] 70 eh..that would be nice [22:14] for the 8514 ps/2 monitors, that would have been too much [22:14] they were 640x480. [22:14] how do u compile just one module in a kernel (i only want to rebuild drivers/scsi/aacraid) [22:14] well then for the ps1 i think i am lucky with 800x600@60 [22:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:15] demarm01_lv (n=demarm01@68-119-28-74.dhcp.stcl.mn.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:15] orko: if "into the kernel" you must recompile the kernel [22:16] Nick change: CafeDelMar -> Graveling [22:16] i meant as a module. i've patched the source and just need to rebuild that one mod [22:16] newpers (n=newpers@ip24-251-175-240.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:16] punkass, 60 hz gives me a headache :) [22:16] make modules modules_install would be the easiest, probably [22:16] punkass, I do think you had 70 hz by that time. Definitely at 640x480, but I think also at 8x6 [22:16] jason0_ (n=jason@c-24-19-8-31.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:17] hello doing some homework cant find what the command for the mesage of the day is does anyone know? [22:17] orko, it is possible to rebuild only the module, but it isn't worth the effort [22:17] orko, compiling is only machine time [22:17] i need a good calendar and email application. i'm thinking about evolution or thunderbird (sunbird). i've read that thunderbird is faster in handilng its emails than evolution is. do you all have a preference? [22:17] demarm01_lv: /etc/motd [22:17] ah. homework. sorry [22:17] demarm01_lv, man motd [22:17] find out yourself :) [22:17] orko: make modules and just copy the single module if you know where it goes [22:18] daniel (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) left irc: Connection timed out [22:18] (and then do depmod -a) [22:18] thats where its located iknow is there a command to show it other than cat /etc/motd [22:19] demarm01_lv: there isn't one normally [22:19] hmm i think the prof is messing with me heh [22:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:20] i didnt think there was [22:20] demarm01_lv,no, there is in real unix [22:20] demarm01_lv, just not in linux [22:20] oh [22:20] demarm01_lv, the prof may be operating under the delusion that he is really in unix [22:20] hmm do you know what it is [22:20] demarm01_lv, that happens to me frequently with unimportant details. [22:20] demarm01_lv, not off the top of my head. look at www.netbsd.org [22:20] sethk: really? I haven't seen one [22:20] demarm01_lv, or the freebsd web site [22:21] sethk: yes 60hz is evil...but its just a little box for my workshop so i can listen to mp3s etc ;) [22:21] Triskelios, I know that it exists [22:21] Triskelios, many years ago when I used to walk 50 miles to school in a blizzard ... [22:21] Triskelios, I used to use it. [22:21] :) [22:21] you know i tried freebsd still couldnt find it [22:21] thks anyway guys [22:21] demarm01_lv, might be a system V thing [22:22] funny thing is is that hes running gentoo on the server [22:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@dyn88.spar1.nas.panafonet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [22:22] demarm01_lv, it would be extremely trivial to create such a command [22:22] demarm01_lv, you can do a grep -r for motd and see which binaries contain the string [22:22] demarm01_lv, grep -r -l [22:22] thats what i was thinking [22:22] HAS ANYONE done a networkless bootstrap before? [22:23] sethk: I've not found anything on irix or solaris [22:23] Agiofws: networkless? [22:23] Triskelios, let me see if I can find it. I know it was there once upon a time [22:23] Triskelios, I've done a computerless bootstrap [22:23] not Triskelios [22:23] Agiofws, [22:23] sorry [22:23] demarm01_lv (n=demarm01@68-119-28-74.dhcp.stcl.mn.charter.com) left irc: [22:23] Agiofws: yes. i was installing from floppies then [22:24] Agiofws, I do it with CDs all the time [22:24] Agiofws, but I suspect that isn't what you really want to ask [22:24] punkass: why do you even need X (or a monitor for that matter)? [22:24] maybe a bootless network strap? [22:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:25] zoly, maybe a network wearing booties [22:25] sethk i don't have a fast connection so need a networkless bootstrap in stage1 to stage 2 [22:25] right, strapless network boots [22:25] Agiofws, oh, just install a real distro instead of gentoo [22:26] anyone know how to search for text in files via console linux [22:26] i do scripts/bootstrap.sh it tries to download from the net [22:26] monst000: grep [22:26] sethk anything else? [22:26] Agiofws, if you are set on gentoo you might get an answer in #gentoo [22:26] anyonther suggestion ? [22:26] i am in gentoo already [22:26] Agiofws, does gentoo have a cd download? [22:26] Agiofws, generally that is the way to install [22:26] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [22:26] Agiofws, if you aren't on the net [22:27] sethk it has a universall live cd but has only stage3 on it [22:27] Agiofws, sorry but I don't know the gentoo specifics, or even whether gentoo can do it. [22:27] Agiofws, install some other distro and use it to bootstrap gentoo [22:28] i used a universall cd but used a stage1 file [22:28] ty zoly [22:28] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28] Agiofws, the term stage1 only makes sense for gentoo [22:28] Agiofws, other distros have no such thing [22:28] Agiofws, so you used gentoo [22:28] sethk thats no solution cause it will try to download the source again from the net [22:28] monst000: yw [22:29] Agiofws, your machine won't be on the net ever? [22:29] it is now over ptsn line so its not an option [22:29] Agiofws, ok, then why not just use a distro that doesn't have this problem? [22:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [22:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:30] zerovertex (n=zerovert@68-190-18-162.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:31] sethk cause my mind is set to this [22:32] Agiofws, hack the install script [22:32] sethk i just need to tell gentoo to get the sources for bootstrapping from a cd or something [22:32] Agiofws, yes. so edit the install script that has the problem. [22:32] Agiofws, maybe you'll see a command line argument you can use [22:32] sethk say i hack it ? where do i find the source code fro bootstraping though [22:33] is it on a cd or something ? [22:33] orko (n=dean@203.31.238.46) left #linuxhelp. [22:33] Agiofws, of course. If you are running an install from a live cd, then the install you are running is on that live cd [22:33] Agiofws, it has to come from somewhere [22:33] Agiofws, so look at the init program that is run when that cd boots [22:34] Agiofws: why not take your machine to a friend, or company, or university, install there? [22:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:35] zoly i don't live i a HI-TECh town where anyone will let you connect your box to a adsl line [22:36] no sethk when i do the bootstrap "thing" it tries to download it from the net [22:36] Agiofws, I know that [22:36] Agiofws, how do you do the bootstrap "thing" [22:36] the universal cd ONLY has a stage3 file in it [22:36] Agiofws, either you boot a cd that starts it, or you start it [22:36] Agiofws, I don't care about that [22:37] i type [22:37] bootstrap/scripts.sh [22:37] in [22:37] usr/portage/ [22:37] Agiofws, ok, so the script you need to hack is bootstrap/scripts.sh [22:37] so edit that script [22:38] yes ok lets say i change the script [22:38] ok, you change the script [22:38] the 2nd prob now is [22:38] to find where the hell is the source code for bootstraping [22:38] if apache-ssl runs as www-data and reads certs and keys from /etc/ssl-certs/, how can apache-ssl read the certs and keys if /etc/ssl-certs/ is chown'd root:ssl-certs and chmod'd 751? [22:39] Agiofws, you only have two choices. Either you download it from somewhere, or you install it from the net [22:39] Agiofws, if you download it and put it on a cd, you hack the script to look for it there [22:39] Agiofws, but if it isn't on the cd, and you can't talk to the network, how can you install it? [22:39] Agiofws, you could put it on a local network, but you would still have to download it. [22:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:40] litage: 751 is strange. that's rwxr-x--x ? [22:40] a bit ... unusual ... [22:41] Triskelios: how would you select the songs to listen to without a monitor? [22:41] zoly, it may be correct. the x is for a searchable directory [22:41] litage: but the answer would probably be, it starts a root, then drops root privs and becomes www-data [22:42] starts as root ... [22:42] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9B7C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:42] punkass: using mpd, you can control what's playing from any compatible player or anywhere on the internet [22:42] litage: and while apache is still root, it can read [22:43] zoly: yeah that's what i was thinking, but that seems like a bit of strange behaviour [22:43] zoly: why is 751 strange? [22:43] not really, servers/daemons do that often [22:43] litage, that's not terribly strange behavior for a server [22:43] sethk: to read conf files and other stuff before dropping down to a non-privileged user? [22:44] sethk i can access a fast connection at noon time but i do not know exactly the source for a bootstrap [22:44] litage: of course. it shouldn't be able to read sensitive files during normal operation [22:44] litage: or, to open a privileged port [22:44] right, but it's normal for appX to read appX conf files as root rather than as user appX? [22:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:45] Agiofws, if I knew where to get the gentoo source, I would tell you. But I don't. I would think that gentoo.com (or whatever their site is called) would tell you that. [22:45] litage, it's certainly not unheard of. [22:45] if files can only be read as root, then, sure, why not? [22:45] Romster (i=tor@tor/session/x-b09a1c0e8d5947e2) joined #linuxhelp. [22:45] litage: yes, because it runs as that user, it shouldn't be allowed to read sensitive files as that user [22:49] actually, I just had a thought. shouldn't su drop privileges after opening a file handle for /etc/shadow? [22:49] Manu` (n=Manu@211.253.124.36) joined #linuxhelp. [22:49] actually, this makes sense with the 751 privileges [22:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:50] that means, apache read the file names in there as root, then drop root privs. [22:50] the only weird thing is that the files are executable [22:50] well, that's what we've been saying [22:50] later, it can not do a listing, but open/read the files it knows by name [22:50] Triskelios: the files in /etc/ssl-certs/ are owned root:ssl-certs and chmod'd 440 [22:51] cd dir ; ls wouldn't be allowed. but cat dir/file would work. [22:51] litage: oh, ok. if the permissions were on the directory, that's perfectly normal [22:52] 751 were access privs of directory, not of files, was my understanding? [22:53] zoly: correct [22:53] that wasn't clear from his question which he meant [22:53] ah, sorry i didn't explicitly state that [22:54] usn_work (n=usn@p54B5A3FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [22:54] right, but become clear by deduction [22:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:55] t35t0r (n=t35t0r@adsl-154-186-21.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:55] good morning [22:56] cheerfulness-attack [22:56] hahha [22:59] louish (n=louis@69-11-107-49.prna.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [23:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:00] Writing user file... [23:00] Writing channel file... [23:00] intelikey (n=greg@0-1pool89-31.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [23:02] featherball (i=1001@ppp1232.hay.dialup.dodo.com.au) left irc: "Client exiting" [23:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:07] usn_work: Zibok su' uzi [23:08] You can only perform a stage3 networkless since the universal installation CDs do not contain the required sources for stage1 or stage2. [23:08] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:08] :PPPPPPPPPPPP [23:09] CafeDelMar (n=Gravelin@adsl-121-236.swiftdsl.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [23:09] Graveling (n=Gravelin@adsl-121-236.swiftdsl.com.au) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:10] Agiofws, in other words, gentoo won't do it for you [23:11] osiris247 (n=osiris24@c-67-162-163-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "getting a life outside the boX" [23:11] Agiofws: you don't happen to be in athen? [23:11] osiris247 (n=osiris24@c-67-162-163-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:12] intelikey (n=greg@0-1pool89-31.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) left irc: "intelikey has no reason" [23:13] intelikey (n=greg@0-1pool89-31.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:14] Nick change: amrit|afk -> amrit [23:14] Athen is afaik the city with the world highest density of WLAN access points [23:14] punkass (n=punkass@S01060011956b4733.cc.shawcable.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client" [23:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:18] louish (n=louis@69-11-107-49.prna.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [23:19] howto jail(chroot) a user at login ? [23:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:20] Yawgmoth7 (n=yawgmoth@ten-mega-cust500.tenino.com) joined #linuxhelp. [23:20] I think i scrweed up dpkg [23:21] Whenever i try to install something it downlaods tha packages then starts the Configuration of the packages and then i get this error: [23:21] dpkg: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: No such file or directory [23:22] Anyone know what went wrong? [23:22] ya might try "apt-get update" [23:22] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) joined #linuxhelp. [23:23] sudo [23:24] sudo ? oh yeah that's that thing that ubuntu users think they need.... :) [23:24] Woops [23:24] I didnt mean to type that [23:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:25] clear [23:25] Woops [23:25] Lol [23:25] I keep typing commands here [23:26] Well [23:26] That didnt work [23:26] So im doing apt-get upgrade [23:27] And then ill try apt-get dist-upgrade [23:27] hi [23:27] Wait [23:27] goodmorning from belgium [23:27] It wont work [23:27] Yamabushi: that won't help. [23:27] Because it cant confugure the package [23:27] packages* [23:27] er, Yawgmoth7 [23:27] Yeah? [23:27] got a question : a reverse ssh tunnel : ssh -R .... why doesn't the -g option work ??? [23:27] litage (n=nick@203.220.55.70) left irc: Connection timed out [23:27] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.220.55.70) left irc: Connection timed out [23:28] newpers (n=newpers@ip24-251-175-240.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:28] deeLer: if you read the manual, you'll see -g is for local forwarding [23:28] Triskelios: What? [23:28] philc (n=reformis@pcp09958035pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:29] nevermind, you figured it out [23:29] there's a backup of var/lib/dpkg/available called available-old. try that [23:29] Triskelios, is there a possibility to make a reverse tunnel accept remote addresses ???? [23:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [23:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:30] ick (n=ontopic@a83-132-101-157.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [23:30] deeLer: no, that's not the purpose of ssh. use a proxy for that [23:30] can some one help me ? [23:30] x isnt booting [23:31] alunduil (n=alunduil@24-119-32-184.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] ick, that's somewhat vague [23:31] Triskelios, what command/prog is that ? [23:31] alunduil (n=alunduil@24-119-32-184.cpe.cableone.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:31] my computer seem to be in blackout [23:31] philc (n=reformis@pcp09958035pcs.hyatsv01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:32] it started has root [23:32] Snake-Eyes (n=blog@203.220.55.70) joined #linuxhelp. [23:32] litage (n=nick@203.220.55.70) joined #linuxhelp. [23:32] ick, boot in console mode, and look at the X log to see what happened [23:32] it runs has root [23:32] Grrrrrr [23:32] NO matter what i do [23:32] I still get the same thing [23:33] or [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1] and login there in the first console..... [23:33] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-49-25.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:33] ive started it [23:33] but with root [23:34] thats the one im using [23:34] ick, not sure what you mean, but if you mean that you are in a console, then look at the log [23:34] if tty1 is blank try tty2. [23:34] sorry i was ansering intelikey [23:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:35] i have seen x do some strange things to console display but never seen it render them all blank. [23:35] when it failed it also mentioned about being unable to save the old log or something [23:35] deeLer: I'm not sure there's a common generic tcp proxy [23:35] Do you think i need to reinstall dpkg [23:36] yanger, you need to regenerate the status file [23:36] sethk:Were you talking to me? [23:36] yes [23:36] Ok [23:37] Ill google that [23:37] it says something about hostname [23:37] Yawgmoth7: there's a backup of /var/lib/dpkg/available called available-old. try that [23:37] unknown host [23:37] then thers 2 xauth lines [23:37] Should i rename it to available? [23:37] ick, make sure your host name, and localhost, are in /etc/hosts [23:37] Yawgmoth7, copy it, don't rename it. And take another copy somewhere else [23:37] is that preventing it from booting ? [23:38] we have an invasion of the early morning problems noiw [23:38] now [23:38] genixpro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] ick, if you are looking at the log file, nothing is not booting [23:38] ick, X doesn't boot. it starts [23:38] So i just amke a copy of it and put it somewhere else? O_O i dont relly get it [23:38] yeah you could call it boot [23:38] make* [23:39] Yawgmoth7, make a copy because when you run dpkg again it will overwrite your backup [23:39] Ohhhhhhhhhhh [23:39] Yawgmoth7, and copy it from the backup name to the normal name [23:39] Yawgmoth7, that's why I said don't rename, copy [23:39] boot X ?????? "_" [23:39] Yawgmoth7, because you don't want to lose both the backup and the main, and you've already lost the main [23:39] isnt X starting because of hostname ? [23:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:40] ick, you mean not starting? I don't know, you are looking at the log file. [23:40] i think its the xauth thing [23:40] ick, what's the _last_ error? [23:40] ick, possible [23:40] sudo cp /var/lib/dpkg/available-old /var/lib/dpkg/available [23:40] does that comand look good? [23:40] ick, try starting is manually [23:40] command* [23:40] Yawgmoth7, yes, but first [23:40] fatal error can not move log file [23:40] IM [23:40] I am [23:41] Yawgmoth7, if /var/lib/dpkg/available exists, make a copy of it first. I think it doesn't, but it doesn't hurt to verify that. [23:41] ick, sounds like the X server doesn't have the correct permissions for the log file directory [23:41] /var/çlog/etc etc [23:41] Nope its not there [23:41] mabey because ive runed it has root [23:41] ? [23:42] ick: X is supposed to run as root [23:42] Yawgmoth7, ok, I'm a bit paranoid about backing up and copying things and such [23:42] now it messed up the permisions ? [23:42] its not ? [23:42] ick, you mean first you ran it as root and now you are trying to run it as a normal user [23:42] ick, that's possible. Depends on which method you use to start X [23:42] i think so [23:42] startx [23:42] startkde [23:42] ick, try changing the log file permissions to a+rw [23:43] THat is wierd, it didnt make a new one [23:43] how ? [23:43] chmod ? [23:43] Yawgmoth7, what didn't? the copy? [23:43] chmod [23:43] ick, yes, chmod [23:43] Yeah [23:43] chmod ? what ? [23:43] ick, do a+rwx [23:43] a+rw ? [23:43] sethk: actually, X tries to create a new file. and need suid for that [23:43] ok [23:43] And apt-get install somehitng didnt wokr [23:43] ick, the file it is complaining about [23:43] work* [23:43] Triskelios, probably deleting the file is better [23:44] Triskelios, in that case [23:44] but I think his problem is file permissions, is the point here. :) [23:44] sethk: if it's unable to create a new log that won't be of much use [23:44] i think i'd check to see if the user that cant startx owns their ~ [23:44] Triskelios, it is saying it can't _move_ the old one [23:44] Triskelios, so it will be of use [23:44] is it a+rwx ? [23:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:45] ick, try deleting the file [23:46] ick, that it complains about not being able to move [23:46] sethk: if it considers not being able to remove the old log an error, there's no reason why it wouldn't do the same when creating a log [23:46] There is a available folder [23:46] Hrm [23:46] Triskelios, it won't be an error because it won't have to move it in the first place [23:46] same thing [23:46] Triskelios, and it is very possible to have a current log file with permissions that won't allow it to be moved, but for the server to be able to create a new one. [23:47] virsys (n=virsys@or-65-40-180-181.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:47] cant move the .log to .log.old [23:47] ick, erase *.old [23:47] sethk: Why wouldnt it make a available, is it because there is a directory named available? [23:47] ick, but if you erased the log, it wouldn't try to move it. [23:47] sethk: it's in /var/log. I don't think there's any reason creating a log as user should work [23:47] Yawgmoth7, I don't know what you mean. [23:47] erase not found [23:47] Well [23:47] isnt it rm ? [23:47] Triskelios, the reason is that it does work [23:47] yes [23:47] ick, isn't what remove? [23:47] When i ran that command, it didnt amke a available [23:47] virsys (n=virsys@or-65-40-180-181.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:48] ick, to delete a file? yes [23:48] ick: he didn't mean literally [23:48] Yawgmoth7, you mean it didn't copy? [23:48] And i was wondering if it could be because there is a directory in that same folder name available [23:48] ick, yes, I did [23:48] No, it didnt [23:48] Triskelios, delete the log file, and the .old version of the log file [23:48] Action: zoly blinks [23:48] Yawgmoth7, become root and just copy it. who knows what sudo is doing? [23:48] it keeps saying that !? [23:48] Yawgmoth7: yes, that would be a problem. that shouldn't be there [23:48] ick, what keeps saying what? [23:48] I do [23:48] BUt i see what it did [23:48] the same thing [23:49] what else [23:49] Yawgmoth7, either it gives you an error, or it copies the file [23:49] "...a directory in that same folder name..." [23:49] gona rm then both [23:49] ick, right [23:49] ick, then do ls -ld of the names and make sure they are really gone [23:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:50] and the file isnt there [23:50] LootBeer (i=1000@cm25.omega21.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [23:50] ick, and also the .old ? [23:50] mabey i need to remove the .log instead [23:50] ick, both [23:50] ick, didn't we say to remove both? [23:50] rm [23:50] zoly: that's *named [23:51] rm -rf [23:51] THANKS SO MUCH SETHK [23:51] It workd [23:51] worked* [23:51] So thanks [23:51] FOr the help [23:51] do you know what you are talking about ? [23:51] Yawgmoth7, good. although I didn't really do anything. :) [23:51] rm -rf / [23:51] Well, you told me what to do [23:51] now it complainf about not finding the log file !!!! [23:51] rm -rf /lib [23:51] See ya [23:51] lol [23:51] Yawgmoth7 (n=yawgmoth@ten-mega-cust500.tenino.com) left irc: "Thanks *" [23:51] now it complainf about not finding the log file !!!! [23:52] ick, ok, that's progress [23:52] sethk: anyway, it's clear that X wants to create a log file or else [23:52] it is ?! [23:52] Triskelios, yes. [23:52] sethk: which is reasonable given it's setuid root [23:52] ick, the message changed, of course [23:52] thats progress in what way ? [23:52] Triskelios, I know that. But a program can choose to not create a file even if the o/s doesn't prevent it. [23:52] to geting this thing even messier ? [23:53] ick you can creat an empty log file with "touch " [23:53] whats the point ? [23:53] #linuxhelp: mode change '+o sethk' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [23:53] intelikey: it will then proceed to rename it [23:53] Triskelios, which should be fine [23:53] Triskelios, as long as it can rename it [23:53] sethk: not without write access to /var/log [23:53] Triskelios, what makes you think it doesn't have write access? You said yourself that it is suid root [23:54] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [23:54] yep, and it will do that; unless you recode the darn thing: so why not fix the permissions on the dir and be done with it? [23:54] sethk: the problem in his case is that it lost the setuid bit [23:54] Triskelios, I don't think so. I've seen his problem before. [23:54] Triskelios, but it is easy enough to check, so ask him to do ls -l on the binary. [23:55] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [23:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/1 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:55] Ramah (n=my@adsl-70-242-64-226.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: [23:55] i couldnt "touch" it has normal user [23:55] I was going to [23:55] ick: do a ls -l /usr/X11R6/bin/X [23:55] if i do it has root then has user i dont have premissioons [23:56] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [23:56] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [23:56] ick, if you already know how to fix it, then just fix it [23:56] Triskelios: you did noticed its Xorg am talking about RIGHT ! [23:56] ick: I didn't, but X will be a symlink then [23:56] i know how to fix it ? [23:57] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [23:57] i must have forgoten then [23:57] ick, well, remember. Or don't argue and try to let people help. [23:57] some people arent here to help i get them all the time [23:58] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [23:58] lets hope its not your case [23:58] ick kicked from #linuxhelp by sethk: sethk [23:58] doesn't seem to be my problem. :) [23:58] ick (n=ontopic@a83-132-101-157.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [23:58] now, let's all be nice? [23:58] that was really helpfull [23:59] #linuxsphere is active but has no ops :( [23:59] #nf-ircstaff is active but has no ops :( [23:59] ick, be polite, please [23:59] ok [23:59] that's called an attention getter! [23:59] #linuxhelp: mode change '-o sethk' by sethk!n=seth@amethyst.cql.com [23:59] har [23:59] newpers (n=newpers@ip24-251-175-240.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:59] best. movie. ever. ;) [23:59] this is strange. i copied my .vimrc file over from my old machine to my new machine, and it's not even recognizing it [23:59] vim won't load the settings [23:59] Triskelios, have you ever seen the X executable lose the suid setting? [23:59] what should i do next ? [00:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:00] --- Tue Oct 11 2005 [00:00] Backing up user file... [00:00] Backing up channel file...