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I'm trying to install some new themes, and i'm not sure where to place the...stuff i guess you'd call it [00:22] Nick change: yawgmoth7 -> Yawgmoth7 [00:23] <[bsd]> How do I set a default font-size for the gtk2 apps? [00:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/22 e/- I/-] [00:25] [bsd] (n=bsd@203.134.193.114) left #linuxhelp. [00:26] I think i found out how [00:28] Or not..... [00:29] Action: Yawgmoth7 has a idea [00:29] brb [00:29] Yawgmoth7 (n=yawgmoth@ten-mega-cust500.tenino.com) left irc: "POOF" [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/107 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/107 b/22 e/- I/-] [00:35] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:35] cyzie (n=cyzie@219.95.200.67) joined #linuxhelp. [00:37] hellz_hunter (n=abra@pcp948941pcs.bechgr01.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[01:27] Nick change: m2d2 -> imperfect [01:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [01:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/22 e/- I/-] [01:30] linuxnoob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-4-140.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:31] sonic (n=anant@62.139.130.178) joined #linuxhelp. [01:32] I got postfix running, but I can't receive emails, even if I send email to myself [01:32] I was able to go in the /var/spool/postfix directory and catch one of the error messages, it said cannot relay for ants.selfip.net [01:32] although I got those lines in /etc/postfix/main.cf: [01:32] myhostname = ants [01:32] mydomain = selfip.net [01:32] mynetworks_style = host [01:33] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-47-77.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:34] Nick change: sonic -> AnAnt [01:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/108 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/108 b/22 e/- I/-] [01:36] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp197-184.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[02:09] gday can get a hand gettign suse 9.3 pro connected to net through my eth card? [02:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:11] is your eth working? [02:12] yeh seems to be [02:12] has with all the other distros i used [02:12] when i do netstat -r there is bugger there but loopbackl addy [02:12] have you tried ifconfig? [02:12] yeh i have but i aint that good at linux yet mate lol [02:13] doesn't your distro have a applet for configuring this? [02:13] how are ou connected now if your eth isn't working properly? [02:14] nah doesnt seem to have bugegr all mate [02:14] i have windows runnign of me modem [02:14] 4 port modem [02:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:16] yeh when i dio ifconfig [02:16] it says that eth1 has an adress [02:16] 192.168 blabh [02:16] how many ethernet cards do you have? [02:16] i got inbuilt and one pci [02:19] so one has an addy already, is that intentional? [02:19] yeh sems to have an addy and the other doesnt but yer it wotn access the net mate [02:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:20] there doesnt seem to be nay tools to configure the network cards just yast [02:20] Kaiser_Away (n=Kaiser@ppp197-184.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net) left irc: Connection timed out [02:21] would it be in firewall configuration settings [02:21] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp215-232.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:22] probably not. you set the one that has an address right now to use DHCP right? [02:22] yeh [02:23] ok, I set mydestination as follows: [02:23] normally its 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 [02:24] mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost [02:24] or should i set to a static ip [02:24] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp215-232.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:25] yeh this sue is crazy it has bugegr all and installed most of it lol [02:25] I got same error [02:25] xxo0_jammer_0oxx: try a static one and copy the info for the gateway and DNS servers from another computer [02:26] yeh i know the 192 addy and then il apply the standard gateway see what hapends [02:26] coz i got a static ip fropm my isp [02:27] E4FB3BC0E8: to=, orig_to=, relay=ants.selfip.net[62.139.130.178], delay=275, status=bounced (host ants.selfip.net[62.139.130.178] [02:27] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for ant1@ants.selfip.net (in reply to RCPT TO command [02:27] your computers are behind a nat router in your modem so they don't see the real IP address [02:27] yeh i am behind nay router [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:31] dam this is shit [02:31] just configure it with a static IP address and use the same network settings as the other computers and it should work.. [02:32] yeh well i tried that as well lol didnt work [02:33] is there any channel for open office? [02:33] I'll just blame suse at this point [02:33] hahahaha [02:33] quazar: #openoffice.org probably [02:33] thx [02:33] yeh well it doesnt seem to haveany network config tools hey [02:34] if you want to try manually... /sbin/route -n show any routes? [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:35] im rebooting [02:35] i tyried netstat -r [02:36] iot shows 192.168.1.0 [02:36] im no pro at linux me self but i am sure it somthign easy [02:37] would help if you could write down exactly what it says [02:37] when i typ what netstat -r [02:37] or ifconfig [02:39] /sbin/route -n or netstat -rn [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:40] its only got loopback addy [02:40] did you do it with -n? it could hang trying to look up the other names in DNS [02:40] try ifconig -a [02:40] yyep [02:41] that's really broken then [02:41] you've set the gateway to what in yast? [02:41] its got eth0 [02:41] lo [02:41] sit [02:41] sorry sit0 [02:41] what happened to eth1? [02:42] i took it out thats just a pci i didnt need [02:42] oh, ok [02:42] i was going to try and network windows with linux [02:42] but yer if i cant get thisd workign [02:42] lol [02:42] so for the static config, what settings are you using? [02:43] i was using 192.168.1.101 [02:43] and the rest... ? [02:43] 255.255.255.0 [02:43] or should i sue the statis ip of the router [02:43] go on... [02:44] thats it mate [02:44] thats all the options they got [02:44] something's wrong then [02:44] you need to set the gateway address and DNS servers [02:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:45] the dns should eb the statis router ip hey [02:45] probably, unless you're supposed to use your ISP's [02:46] just use whatever the other computers are using [02:46] well its a nat router so i gatehr its the routers ip adress acts as a dns [02:46] yeh il try lol [02:46] I use postfix, when I send email to myself@localhost, I see on mailq that it appends my domain to localhost, how can I change that ? [02:46] I don't want it to append my domain [02:46] but setting the gateway is key. otherwise the computer doesn't know about your modem [02:47] yeh [02:47] is sybnet mask the same as gateway? [02:47] no [02:47] ok [02:47] so should the subnetmask be 255.255.255.0 [02:47] right [02:48] or 192.168.1.245 [02:48] ok [02:48] il try somthing [02:48] lol [02:48] shoukld i enabkle ip forwarding [02:49] no, that means your computer acts as a router [02:49] okies [02:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:53] so to summarise, you need: your IP address, the network address (it might just be basing it on your IP address if it doesn't ask you) and netmask, gateway (modem's IP address), and DNS (probably modem again). you should get these off the other computer to make sure they're correct [02:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [02:55] yeh i did netstat -r in windows [02:55] and yeh i got all that but it still aint working :| [02:56] lanalyst_ (n=lanalyst@ip68-103-53-169.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:56] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [02:57] try "/sbin/route add default gw " then [02:58] goto that file ? [02:58] er no, run it as a command [02:58] ok hang on [02:58] replacing the part in backets, obviously [03:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [03:01] yeh that dont work either damit [03:01] Nick change: m4n -> m4n_away [03:02] I'm guessing their tool is broken, and since you're new at this I wouldn't try to fix it manaully [03:03] consider switching to a less weird distro =P [03:03] lol [03:03] yeh well i liekd the look of ti hey and knoppix seemd to work fine [03:04] intelikey (n=root@0-1pool91-37.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:06] briareus (n=briareus@ip68-3-173-76.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:07] well thanks for yah help anwyay mate il try another day to get it working [03:07] cya round like a donut mate [03:07] xxo0_jammer_0oxx (n=Fark@dsl-58-6-125-124.qld.westnet.com.au) left #linuxhelp. [03:07] hi guys. i'm still trying to find out what might be scanning my hardware every coupple of minutes. it causes the keyboard to reset to long delay and very slow repete rate. it also causes it to not accept any keys durring the second and an half or so of it's reset time. i think it is scanning the hardware cause it causes the hdd to wake up also. anyone have any ideas or sujestions ? [03:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:13] Nick change: m4n_away -> m4n [03:14] intelikey: nothing weird in dmesg? [03:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:15] no [03:15] idaho45 (n=john@200.84.69.190) left irc: Connection timed out [03:15] i don't really know what to look for. [03:16] I'm not really aware of any non-hardware reasons your keyboard would reset [03:16] i thought it might just be in the 2.6.12 kernel or ubuntu but i'm on mdk with a 2.4 kernel and same thing. [03:16] AnAnt (n=anant@62.139.130.178) left #linuxhelp. [03:16] codejunky (i=nobody@mtsoft.de) joined #linuxhelp. [03:17] is there a hardware reason the system would reset keyboard every two minutes ? [03:17] codejunky (i=nobody@mtsoft.de) left #linuxhelp ("www.domaindyndns.com"). [03:17] it's just an AT keyboard [03:17] 104 key [03:17] AT? how old is this machine? [03:18] it probably came with win95 on it. [03:18] heh [03:18] the problem could be weird spikes in current from the power supply [03:19] ps has been replaced..... but yeah i guess it could be..... [03:19] when it happens all the kbd leds come on [03:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:20] something's telling random things to reset, and it doesn't sound like software.. [03:20] random ? [03:20] check for capacitor plague? [03:20] random as in distributed across the motherboard [03:21] kyncani (n=kyncani@lns-bzn-1-82-250-16-243.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:21] halcyonCorsair (n=Lord-Pho@port-219-88-129-218.orcon.net.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [03:22] it has never affected the vidio but it will wake up the hdd and reset the kbd every two minutes or less. i really don't know if it affects any thing else. [03:22] i haven't really timed it.... [03:22] ok, how can i get sudo to search a certain path for an executable? [03:23] intelikey: capacitors on the board look ok? [03:23] command /usr/*/name halcyonCorsair ? [03:24] kyncani (n=kyncani@lns-bzn-1-82-250-16-243.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [03:24] Triskelios yeah but looking at a can doesn't really tell much unless it has blown out. [03:24] sudo's default search path is hardcoded, I think [03:24] intelikey: well, if they're visibly bulging [03:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:25] hehhe no nothing like that. [03:26] sudo has a default search path ? [03:26] i thought it inherited it from bash [03:26] intelikey: no, i want it to search somewhere else as well, i want it to search /usr/local/unsermake [03:27] intelikey: nah, that's not a safe thing to do [03:27] anyway, I'm out [03:28] halcyonCorsair you need a line like 'user ALL = /usr/local/unsermake/* ' [03:28] where user is the users name [03:29] intelikey: where does that line need to go? [03:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [03:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:30] /etc/sudoers and it parses it with last applicable refferance taking priority [03:30] i thought you were editing sudoers already...... sorry. [03:31] from the command line you can just ues the full path 'sudo /usr/local/unsermake/blah ' [03:31] so i would change " %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" to be " %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL = /usr/local/unsermake/*", yes? [03:32] AnAnt (n=anant@62.139.130.178) joined #linuxhelp. [03:32] yes if the user is in the wheel group. but that will limit wheel to only commands in that dir. [03:33] you should add the line not just modify one already being used. [03:33] intelikey: ok, what about above that at the "Defaults env_reset" [03:33] could that have something to do with the problem? [03:34] again halcyonCorsair if this is a one time thing , just specify the full path on the command line. 'sudo /path/command ' [03:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:35] boerst (n=boerst@p54B114BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [03:36] lanalyst_ (n=lanalyst@ip68-103-53-169.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:36] intelikey: no, its a regular thing, i call it whenever i recompile the program i'm working on [03:39] Nick change: amrit|bbl -> amrit|zzz [03:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:42] AnAnt (n=anant@62.139.130.178) left #linuxhelp. [03:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:46] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/22 e/- I/-] [03:53] Ghostbuster (n=richard@Sudbury-Cable17.onlink.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:53] Ghostbuster (n=richard@Sudbury-Cable17.onlink.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/22 e/- I/-] [04:17] ompaul (n=ompaul@213-202-143-5.bas502.dsl.esat.net) left irc: "in irc we are all text creature - penguins work on bug #1" [04:17] hi everyone, what is the command to get system information ? [04:18] p_o_g_o_ (n=chatzill@mrtcdsl-058.mis.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:19] awol:? [04:19] yah? [04:19] i'm awol everyhwere i go ;-P [04:19] to #tecactv? [04:19] ok [04:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/22 e/- I/-] [04:21] KingChango (n=KingChan@152-174-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) joined #linuxhelp. [04:22] Nick change: quazar -> sandi [04:23] Nick change: sandi -> quazar [04:23] quazar (i=sandi@schizofrenia.org) left irc: "Changing server" [04:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/22 e/- I/-] [04:26] sandi (i=sandi@schizofrenia.org) joined #linuxhelp. [04:27] bippo: not sure this is what you are after but, from the command line 'lspci', 'cat /proc/cpuinfo','lsusb' etc.. 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[05:06] hi all, i am looking for some System Suspend tool RHELv4 [05:07] KingChango (n=KingChan@152-174-114-200.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:08] anybody there? [05:08] Fakhriz: http://www.google.com/search?q=System+Suspend+tool+++linu [05:08] it is still early ;) [05:08] thanks [05:09] nlight (i=nlight@85.187.173.85) left irc: "Изход винаги има, копеле, а ако нема, ше бием главата в стената, докат напра'им!" [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [05:10] yspellkit (n=Gi_a_nni@athe730k-0722.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [05:11] Fakhriz (i=Fakhriz@213.186.165.123) left irc: [05:14] serving (i=serving@213.186.186.91) left #linuxhelp. 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[05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/22 e/- I/-] [05:31] oh i see in mtab [05:32] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-006-178.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:32] i guess man fstab, it sould be there, or man mount [05:33] i see the options in mtab [05:33] so it this [05:33] ;) [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/108 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/108 b/22 e/- I/-] [05:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:40] defaults [05:40] Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, [05:40] auto, nouser, and async. [05:41] gnubien (n=e@41.245.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:41] yepp [05:41] LesterOfPuppets (n=lesterof@c-24-21-43-69.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:41] thx [05:42] :) [05:42] ziom (n=ziom@85.220.132.47) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [05:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/22 e/- I/-] [05:45] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-006-178.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. 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[06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [06:40] any one have n e idea how can i upgrade python on linux?? [06:41] Maaahima : it's 'any' not 'n e'. and you should be using packages for your distribution [06:41] i am using packages [06:41] what distro Maaahima? [06:41] it has come with 2.3.4 [06:41] i need 2.3.5 [06:42] CentOS 4.1 [06:42] eek. rpm *pass* [06:42] check if centos 4.2 has 2.3.5 [06:43] isn't it possible to do it via existaning os [06:44] Maaahima : sure it. go to #centos and ask [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [06:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [06:50] mako-sama (i=1000@82.194.54.174) left irc: Success [06:50] TheBonsai_ (i=bonsai@p5493673E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:50] TheBonsai_ (i=bonsai@p5493673E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:03] Action: Roscow winkst to ananke hi there [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:07] AzMoo (n=matt@unaffiliated/azmoo) joined #linuxhelp. [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:10] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:15] jayparadise (n=james@cpe-065-191-014-203.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:22] FaithX (n=FaithX@202-6-145-116.ip.adam.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [07:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [07:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:34] Nick change: Kamping_Kaiser -> Kaiser_Sleeps [07:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:41] nlight (i=nlight@85.187.173.85) joined #linuxhelp. [07:42] any way to get linux to free memory after apps that used it are closed? besides rebooting [07:42] Maaahima (i=telecom@203.130.16.28) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:43] gnubien: u simply don't need to. or u've got some special reason? [07:44] spike, yea, mplayer played a dvd movie last night ok, today it says: MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: vo_check_events; think memory is too low; any way to fix this without rebooting? [07:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:46] munzir (n=Munzir@213.181.183.54) joined #linuxhelp. [07:47] hi sirs, mkbootdisk has an option to specify the size of the image. How can I tell the size? [07:47] any memory hog app i can start that will exit and cleanly free unused memory fast? [07:49] munzir: ls -l image file; think the size remains the same or close when using mkbootdisk [07:49] Nick change: mako-sam1 -> mako-sama [07:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/22 e/- I/-] [07:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:55] lkthomas (i=lkthomas@059148172160.ctinets.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:55] hey all [07:55] what RAID system could I build with 6 HDD ? [07:57] lkthomas : 5, 10, 1, 0, whatever. [07:58] mind to explain what is 5 and 10 please ? [07:58] yes, i mind. go google. [07:58] raid 5 = 5 HDD [07:58] lkthomas : no [07:58] you can do raid 5 with any amount of drives, as long as it's over 3. [07:58] raid 0 = 0 hds [07:58] u raid air [07:58] quiet effective [07:59] LOL :) [07:59] ananke: hmm, ok [07:59] quite even [08:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:00] Writing user file... [08:00] Writing channel file... [08:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [08:01] Kaiser_Sleeps (n=Kaiser@ppp219-76.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net) left irc: Connection timed out [08:01] linuxfreck (n=freck@p549296D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:01] gnubien: I don't have an image file. I want to create an image file [08:03] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp194-216.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:05] hi sirs, mkbootdisk has an option to specify the size of the image. How can I tell the size? [08:09] Lego_Bitch (n=Lego_Bit@bl6-238-155.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:09] munzir : why don't you try to skip that option and see what happens? [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:10] ananke, if I skip that option it will default to 1.44M which won't fit with new kernel images [08:10] blkdg (i=1000@CPE0080c6ea8139-CM014510002488.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:11] hi, i am using Open Office 1.1.1. Is there a way to have a header on every page but the first? [08:11] munzir : how else would you fit it on a floppy? [08:12] Pedrolito (n=Pedrolit@toronto-HSE-ppp4297689.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [08:13] blkdg (i=1000@CPE0080c6ea8139-CM014510002488.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #linuxhelp. [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:16] needvpn (n=irc@dsl081-139-167.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:16] How can I run a script when a USB device is connected? (I want to copy data to a file when a USB drive is connected) [08:18] Is it possible to archive emails to a file with thunderbird? [08:18] indigirl1 (n=indigirl@cpe-066-056-142-077.triad.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:19] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [08:19] Tcl error in script for 'timer244833': [08:19] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:25] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [08:25] Lego_Bitch (n=Lego_Bit@82.155.238.155) joined #linuxhelp. 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[08:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:35] in mc when i F4 Edit i see Error in file /root/.mc/cedit/Syntax on line 167 it is setup to use mc's internal editor. ironically there is no Syntax file in that location so its weird that it gets an error on line 167. help please [08:36] indigirl1: ls -l /root/.mc/cedit/Syntax [08:36] lapator: i said that file does not exist [08:36] Lego_Bitch (n=Lego_Bit@82.155.238.155) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:37] indigirl1: are you sure? [08:37] lapator: yes im sure [08:37] check it again [08:37] lapator: i checked it several times [08:37] and i get no error using an external editor [08:38] indigirl1: what about the /etc/ mc config? [08:38] which file is that? [08:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:40] lapator (n=lapator@dyn48.lar1.nas.panafonet.gr) left irc: ""CAN'T HELP SORRY...!!! LEARN FIRST YOU SYSTEM"" [08:40] mc's editor is named mcedit, curious that the folder it looks in is named just cedit [08:41] oh i guess cause its based on cooledit [08:42] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [08:42] Tcl error in script for 'timer248047': [08:42] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [08:42] needvpn (n=irc@dsl081-139-167.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:43] solus (n=martin@ua-83-227-192-23.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left #linuxhelp. [08:43] oh lapator is gone [08:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:45] also how do i install mc's internal editor as a standalone program? apt shows no signs of a cooledit [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:50] in a bash script, how can I pause till the user hits a key? [08:52] ive paused for keypress in perl [08:53] <^wolf^> CarlFK: read [08:53] depending on your needs you could use a dialog [08:53] <^wolf^> read waits for input [08:53] indigirl1: mcedit [08:53] apt-cache show dialog [08:54] gnubien: okay. mcedit seems to work [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [08:55] indigirl1: ok, you got an error in one of the .mc files, got a backup you can restore? [08:55] indigirl1: or you can cp .mc dir somewhere and rm the .mc dir to start over [08:56] linuxnoob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-4-140.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:56] read is looking good [09:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] gnubien: also i scared away the error by touch ~/.mc/cedit/Syntax . it's empty though so i wonder if im missing out on some predefined syntaxes. [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] KanFu2 (i=KanFu@p54B5FCAE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:02] morale (i=russell@S010600111155e117.cg.shawcable.net) left #linuxhelp. [09:02] indigirl1: maybe, looking for the file... [09:03] irvken (n=sean@82-45-13-249.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:03] indigirl1: /usr/share/mc/syntax/Syntax [09:03] the dos carriage return shows up in a file as ^M . but a find and replace of ^M fails. how can i dos2unix a file? [09:04] gnubien: yea! nice find [09:04] indigirl1: http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt [09:04] gnubien: teach me how to fish. how did you find that syntax file? [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:05] indigirl1: slocate filename [09:05] indigirl1: some distributions did this with recode [09:07] kasc: which distros use recode? [09:07] <^wolf^> hallo kasc [09:08] kasc: oh yea i see recode. not sure how to use it [09:08] gnubien: nice sed link [09:08] indigirl1: yea, cool site, got awk 1 liners there too [09:09] kasc: info recode looks better than man recode [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:10] gnubien: suse did when i started with linux ;) [09:10] the sed1line is easier to do than learn recode [09:10] hallo ^wolf^ [09:11] indigirl1: do you want to learn how to fish using a stick and a rope or a professional fishing equipment? ;) [09:12] kasc: a net [09:12] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:14] dyn-o-mite? [09:14] gnubien: now the line 167 error makes sense. i put that share/... file into place (~/...) and it does have a line 167 [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:15] include unknown.syntax [09:15] indigirl1: yea, mc gets confused something and you gotta replace the file, happens rarely tho [09:15] gnubien: but i did replace the file and still getting that error [09:16] gnubien: well, i commented out line 167 and the error vanished [09:17] maybe this is a bug i should report to ubuntu [09:17] indigirl1: yea, maybe, my syntax file only has 148 lines [09:18] indigirl1: last line in stock syntax file is: include unknown.syntax with no blank line following it [09:19] gnubien: that is the culprit line [09:19] gnubien: but for you it gives no error [09:19] t35t0r (n=t35t0r@adsl-19-230-141.bna.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:19] indigirl1: no errors, did you edit the syntax file? mc crash before error started? [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:20] gnubien: no crashes. but i commented out that line and the error vanished [09:20] KanFu (i=KanFu@p54B5F9A8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] Nick change: KanFu2 -> KanFu [09:21] indigirl1: /usr/share/mc/syntax/unknown.syntax see if that file is there or use slocate to find it [09:21] gnubien: it wasnt a big bad error. cedit would still work after the error message. it was more of an annoyance like swatting at mosquitos. [09:23] indigirl1: yea, mc is pretty stable but still has problems sometimes [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:25] billy (n=billy@82-32-13-197.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [09:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:30] gnubien (n=e@41.245.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [09:32] the file i did a dos2unix conversion on was a hosts file to block ads. i would recommend using it because it is effective. google for hosts and click the first result to download the file [09:33] the file actually worked with the dos newlines but i wanted to convert it so i could sleep at night [09:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:37] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [09:38] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:39] fdisk -l is telling me it cannot open /dev/sda, why would this be ? [09:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:40] because you don't have sda ? [09:40] i do [09:41] ;) [09:41] thats what linux is running from atm [09:41] its a sata partition on /dev/sda5 [09:41] Roey (n=Roey@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Roey) joined #linuxhelp. [09:41] Triskelios: hi!! [09:41] Triskelios: I finally fixed it [09:42] Triskelios: I got DMA to work by re-arranging the order of the modules like so: [09:42] zezu: do you have right permissions? [09:42] bah [09:42] Triskelios: (1) via82cxxx (2) ide-generic (3) ide-cd [09:42] that was it [09:42] ;) [09:42] sudo fixed it, damn [09:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:45] sil3nt|warri0r (n=e094736d@unaffiliated/silentwarrior) joined #linuxhelp. [09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/22 e/- I/-] [09:50] junbug (n=junya@69.0.31.27) joined #linuxhelp. [09:50] ompaul (n=ompaul@213-202-139-134.bas502.dsl.esat.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:51] hey ompaul [09:54] hiya [09:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/22 e/- I/-] [10:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:01] hey all [10:02] hey one [10:02] so now its TaDaaaa One and All :-) [10:02] Action: ompaul crawls back under a rock [10:02] hey Roey , is it you? [10:02] I guess no [10:03] Action: ompaul hands spike a boxed up [s/n/s/g [10:03] ] [10:04] there's this guy named Roey but I can't ever remember his nick... it's somethingRoey iirc, thus the mess-up [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/22 e/- I/-] [10:05] ahh [10:06] munzir (n=Munzir@213.181.183.54) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [10:07] I need to find someone runnin xen in production envs that can comment on the overhead [10:07] harpette (n=harpo@cpe-24-28-64-137.austin.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:07] I run sandboxes and testing labs on it, but can't really figure out how they'd react to high load, or if some circumstances trigger misbehaving [10:08] rusty- (n=G33k@62.139.206.65) joined #linuxhelp. [10:08] Hello [10:09] I have a DSL line (shared with 5 PCs), and i want to control the bandwidth for every PC connected through it. can i do that though any linux version. and if it is possible how can i do that? [10:09] spike, no actual live data for you, however one guy I know says it is lower thank UML by a long way so there is much more machine available for him to run services in [10:09] s/thank/than [10:09] rusty-, yes i'm sure you can do that [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [10:10] ompaul: yeah, I know, they've got some nice benchmarks available, but I was looking for non academical comments [10:10] spike, the guy is an isp using it [10:10] t35t0r, how? [10:10] rusty-, bandwidth is automatically limited by the router and queue sharing [10:10] QoS [10:10] unless you are limiting someone below what they would get if x other people were using the connection [10:11] linuxfreck (n=freck@fry.fmi.uni-passau.de) joined #linuxhelp. [10:11] spike: :) it's me [10:12] oh, ehehe :) [10:12] spike: it's all me [10:12] sup dude? [10:12] lots of stuff [10:12] one sec. [10:12] t35t0r, how about using tc? [10:12] spike: strange person at the door. [10:12] O_O [10:12] t35t0r, its part of the package iproute2 [10:12] t35t0r, Is it worth a try [10:13] how do I control the bandwidth for every PC connected through it. [10:14] rusty-: lartc.org [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [10:17] spike: ok [10:19] t35t0r (n=t35t0r@adsl-19-230-141.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [10:23] atmat (n=osx@thesdsl-01707.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. 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[13:10] Omou (n=ctrl-alt@modemcable179.209-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [13:13] Anyone know of any utilities that can do a variety of motherboard tests? I'm trying to narrow my problem down further to either motherboard or CPU [13:14] lanalyst_ (n=lanalyst@ip68-103-53-169.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:18] CHodapp, I'm writing one, talk to me in about three weeks. :) [13:19] ompaul (n=ompaul@213-202-139-134.bas502.dsl.esat.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:20] CHodapp: cpuburn for cpu, memtest86+ for ram, hdparm for ide controllers... ooth thats all i can currently remember [13:20] sethk, maybe by then my hardware will deteriorate to the point where it's easier to crash it [13:20] and I meant PSU, not CPU [13:20] I've done cpuburn and memtest86+ [13:20] CHodapp, I'm writing new diagnostics for an appliance that starts shipping in January [13:21] Ok [13:22] These problems just seem to have no causal connection to anything. I've had crashes when totally idle, crashes when compiling kernels. crashes with the CPU active but not loaded too much, crashes during memory tests, but after probably 30-40 minutes... or a few hours... [13:22] sounds like thermal, possibly memory thermal although obviously that's just a guess [13:23] memory never gets over about 40 - 45 deg C [13:23] Codename_V (n=V@pdpc/supporter/silver/Codename-V) joined #linuxhelp. [13:23] try a different mainboard, psu, or memory module and see if it crashes again. [13:23] being pounded with memtest86+ for 10 hours didn't crash it or give a single error, but memtest on Knoppix eventually crashed it, but gave no errors [13:24] I am at university now and I don't have a whole lot of other parts/money I've got ready access to [13:24] I'm trying really hard to narrow it down with software if possible [13:24] flippo (n=frivol@63.227.116.241) left irc: Connection timed out [13:24] it's definitely possible, but not trivial. [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:25] do you have access to fancy test hardware at the U? Like a PCI bus analyzer or ICE machine? [13:25] hang around the EE lab, see what you can get time on. [13:25] There might be some somewhere, but even getting them to let me into the labs where I might find such stuff could be a challenge [13:26] worth the effort, if you can manage it. No substitute for the right tools [13:26] if not that, then go for a JTAG debugger. Not nearly as fancy, but cheap and possibly easier to get time on [13:26] frivol (n=flippo@63.227.116.241) joined #linuxhelp. [13:27] Hrm. [13:27] I'll look around and see if I can find anyone who speaks enough English that they know what I'm saying. [13:27] most mobos have a jtag header connection [13:27] just say JTAG. It's a universal language. ;) [13:27] this is a semi-crappy Gigabyte mobo [13:27] if it has JTAG they probably called it something else [13:28] wtf is JTAG? and ICE :) [13:28] google: jtag [13:28] jtag: http://openwince.sourceforge.net/jtag/ [13:28] briareus (n=briareus@linuxfordummies/Briareus) joined #linuxhelp. [13:28] mmmh [13:28] that sounds like java stuff... [13:28] Action: CHodapp cusses at the website that will only sort motherboards by manufacturer [13:28] cfk (n=carlfk@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [13:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:30] spike, there might be a java app, but JTAG has nothing to do with java [13:30] how do I run a script when a file changes? [13:30] spike, typically you use it with gdb. there is a special jtag version of gdb [13:30] sethk: I guessed so :) [13:30] sethk: I thought it was a piece of hardware... from what you said before [13:30] spike, I don't think I'd run a hardware debugger in Java, but that's just me. :) [13:30] spike, it is [13:30] spike, but of course you need software too [13:31] yeah, I'm reading up... not easy to find a good link, tho, most of stuff is cr$pware [13:31] spike, it attaches to a header on a mobo (although I use it in embedded systems, but that's just because that's what they pay me to do) [13:31] spike, there's a spec, and then look at the manufacturers web sites. [13:31] spike, a JTAG debugger usually costs at least $800, although that may be out of date [13:32] I have one somewhere from a company that went belly up owing me money, but I don't have the proper plug in for intel [13:34] lanalyst (n=lanalyst@ip68-103-53-169.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:38] CHodapp (n=knoppix@dynamic-156-082.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] MegaByte (i=1000@201.29.155.229) joined #linuxhelp. [13:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:42] Does anyone here code in gtk? [13:43] bozon (n=flippo@63.227.116.241) joined #linuxhelp. [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:45] jenda (n=jenda@195.47.80.185.adsl.nextra.cz) joined #linuxhelp. [13:46] Nick change: bozon -> flippo [13:46] Hello people. [13:47] hello [13:47] Can someone who's qualified in this gimme a comparison between Reiserfs and ext3? [13:47] Does anyone here use gtk? [13:47] qualified in this... how wonder how u're gonna acknowledge that [13:48] slashdot (n=vidarlo@unaffiliated/slashdot) joined #linuxhelp. [13:48] I have this piece of code [13:48] dont flood [13:48] GtkWidget *mscreen = gtk_window_new(GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL); [13:48] gtk_window_set_title(mscreen,"Foo"); [13:49] And I get the error [13:49] error: conversion to non-scalar type requested [13:49] I just don't get it [13:49] bozon (n=flippo@63.227.116.241) joined #linuxhelp. [13:49] jenda: reiser is bound to the partition- that makes it hard to maintain. It is fast, especially in fscking. [13:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:50] MegaByte: that's really not a gtk question, rather a C one, ask in #c [13:50] CHodapp (n=knoppix@dynamic-157-068.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [13:50] hello, i need to extract a bootimage file from a bootable CD :) [13:50] p_o_g_o_: bound to the partition? [13:50] jenda: iirc there is not any decent undelete tools for Reiser either. [13:51] Roey (n=Roey@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Roey) left irc: "Client exiting" [13:51] spike, thanks for the always helpful hint [13:51] p_o_g_o_: thanks. you confirm what I thought [13:52] spike: you cannot dd an image to another partition, fix the fstab and boot sector & have a bootable image. it won't travel to another hd/sd partition [13:53] p_o_g_o_, you can if the geometries match exactly... [13:53] p_o_g_o_: Ah I see... [13:53] p_o_g_o_: eh? [13:53] CHodapp: it's never worked for me [13:53] frivol (n=flippo@63.227.116.241) left irc: Connection timed out [13:53] p_o_g_o_, I've gotten it to work before, but it's pretty touchy [13:53] Nick change: bozon -> frivol [13:53] p_o_g_o_, I've done it, when the geometries match it works fine [13:53] what's so touchy about it? [13:53] p_o_g_o_, but the geometries have to match [13:54] and dd isnt not at all about filesystems [13:54] it's all about disk geometry, like for any other fs [13:54] don't they need the same partition name, ie: sda1 [13:54] now, if you dd each partition, then the geometry doesn't matter as long as the partition size is the same (or larger) [13:54] p_o_g_o_, no, not at all [13:54] p_o_g_o_, there is no name stored [13:54] sda1 is just the first partition on the first scsi drive [13:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/22 e/- I/-] [13:55] well- I;ve never gotten one to move across drives, but then I haven't done more than match sizes and block lengths [13:55] sethk: yes, it was an example [13:55] Pedrolito (n=Pedrolit@toronto-HSE-ppp4297689.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [13:56] gotta go. thanks. [13:56] jenda (n=jenda@195.47.80.185.adsl.nextra.cz) left #linuxhelp ("Success"). [13:56] Action: CHodapp glares at his hardware, daring it to crash [13:57] come on, bastard... you're afraid to crash when I'm watching, aren't you... [13:57] p_o_g_o_, I know, and I was saying that the type or position of the drive is not saved [13:57] p_o_g_o_, it is saved of course in /etc/fstab, but not on the drive itself [13:57] p_o_g_o_, everything on the drive is relative to itself. That is, the first partition, for example. Nothing else is known about it. [13:58] p_o_g_o_, and even that (that it is the first partition) is only by virtue of it's location in the partition table [13:58] sethk: I can't work out the JTAG thingie. does it happen u've got a link at hand? if not I'll google more, np [13:59] I mean, I got the concept, I want the details, how it works and so on [13:59] spike, I'd have to find it, but last time I looked, it wasn't hard to find. [13:59] spike, look for the spec itself, [13:59] spec of what? don't google for me dude, that's not necessary, if u had something @ at that'd been great but otherway it's fine [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:00] sethk: jtag motherboard debug gave me almost nothing interesting [14:00] just dev kits [14:00] spike, leave off the motherboard [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:02] irvken (n=sean@82-45-13-249.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:05] flippo (n=flippo@63.227.116.241) left irc: Connection timed out [14:05] linuxfreck (n=freck@fry.fmi.uni-passau.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] foxkids (n=foxkids@68-118-227-195.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:09] I have a question why i can't copy and paste from scite to X? [14:09] MegaByte (i=1000@201.29.155.229) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] with the middle mouse button [14:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:14] sethk: cool stuff :) [14:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:15] it looks like really helpful to detect hw failures, better than nights spent running memtest :) [14:15] Action: CHodapp agrees [14:15] Action: CHodapp paints a big red X on his computer and looks around his dorm for an axe [14:16] sethk: and actually jtag.com exists ;) [14:16] ehehe [14:17] I still don't get how u use gdb with it, tho [14:17] lanalyst (n=lanalyst@ip68-103-53-169.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "What happens is what is supposed to happen" [14:18] moes99er1 (n=root@hs2-57.amtelecom.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:18] moes99er1: irc'ing as root is unsafe. please logout and logback with ur user [14:18] moes99er1: may I attack your machine :) [14:18] slashdot (n=vidarlo@unaffiliated/slashdot) left irc: "leaving" [14:19] Hey I need to know something first [14:19] how to create a user? [14:19] :) [14:19] bad one, I apologize [14:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:20] moes99er1: so, what do you need to know before? [14:20] CHodapp (n=knoppix@dynamic-157-068.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:21] sethk: when/if, u've got the time, would you mind telling me how u operate one of those things? expecially referred to the gdb mention. I've been able to find specs and stuff, but can't figure out how u actually use it [14:21] I am using SUSE Linux 10 32 bit ver AND I mounted a NTFS partition as read only and if I log in to my user acount I can't go to it BUT in root I can... What do I have to change? [14:21] Anyone? [14:22] PLEASE? [14:22] moes99er1, use the uid= and pid= options for mount [14:22] moes99er1, do man mount, and search for ntfs [14:22] moes99er1: 1) suse has got #opensuse and #suse channels that are quiet helpful 2) either set the uid on mount options, or probably chmod the mountpoint [14:22] I think it is -o uid=1000,gid=1000 for user and group 10000 [14:22] I am new to this how do I do that? [14:23] moes99er1: have u tried to use YAST? [14:23] moes99er1, mount -r -t ntfs -o uid=1000,pid=1000 /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever [14:23] Yes that is how I mounted it... [14:23] With YaST [14:23] mmmh, weird then. did it mount it on /media ? [14:24] actually if u did it with YaST u did it as root, thus the problem [14:24] moes99er1: try this [14:24] p_o_g_o_ (n=chatzill@mrtcdsl-058.mis.net) left #linuxhelp. [14:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:25] moes99er1: unmount the drive, go to "explore computer" or whatever is called that computer icon on ur desktop [14:25] lanalyst (n=lanalyst@ip68-103-53-169.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:25] moes99er1: click it, it should list all harddisks [14:25] moes99er1: then click on the one u want. that should mount it with correct permissions [14:26] No I mounted it under /40gb/ntfs/d [14:26] moes99er1: do what I suggested, see if it works [14:26] ok... I will see [14:26] moes99er1: and remember the 2 chans I mentioned. [14:27] moes99er1: also, have you read the *good* and *comprehensive* user guide suse provide? [14:28] Yep... [14:28] rich__ (n=Administ@CPE-69-76-225-14.kc.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:29] I'm wondering if anyone's gotten Squid successfully configured withPAM authentication. I can get the proxy up and running. I can even set up authentication to prompt me for a password, but authentication always fails. Would this more likely be a problem with PAM configuration? [14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [14:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:30] alunduil (n=alunduil@199.17.89.11) joined #linuxhelp. [14:30] linuxnoob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-4-140.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:32] OK SPIKE: I am going to log out and then Log back in to my user login and see if it works I will be right back? [14:32] moes99er1 (n=root@hs2-57.amtelecom.net) left #linuxhelp. [14:33] ompaul (n=ompaul@213-202-139-134.bas502.dsl.esat.net) left irc: "night time" [14:34] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp142-222.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:36] e-funktion (n=seemawn@p54A98F34.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Naspa- wir kцnnen kein Geld, wir kцnnen nur billig!" [14:36] moes99er1 (n=jmn@hs2-57.amtelecom.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:36] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp199-39.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:37] Yo SPIKE ya still there? [14:37] moes99er1: are you aware that uppercase = shouting on irc? [14:38] Ya Sorry. [14:38] np [14:38] I can go to /40gb/ntfs/d BUT then it does not show any files? [14:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:40] dimm0k (n=nmok@pool-71-249-95-61.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:40] Still there spike? [14:41] ? [14:41] spike? [14:41] Lazydog_ (n=Lazydog@acs-24-154-13-242.zoominternet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:41] Where did you go? [14:41] bch (n=joshs@CPE-72-128-87-24.wi.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:41] be patient, he's probably just away from the keyboard [14:42] yea ok... he was helping me.... [14:42] if you cd to the directory as root can you see files? [14:43] linuxnoob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-4-140.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:43] moes99er1: I'm here, just busy with stuff I'm coding [14:43] yea but not in my login just root [14:43] moparfan90 (n=moparfan@ool-4575bfc7.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:43] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-68-93-112-227.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:43] sethk: sorry to bother you, just making sure u saw it, did u see my last question about how to operate JTAG stuff? [14:43] Blissex (n=Home@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [14:44] gnubien (n=e@180.242.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:44] no [14:44] ask again [14:44] sethk: when/if, u've got the time, would you mind telling me how u operate one of those things? expecially referred to the gdb mention. I've been able to find specs and stuff, but can't figure out how u actually use it [14:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:45] hello.... i know this is way off topic so if ayone knows a better channel then please tell. i have a gameboy advanced andhave it opened and stuff... i want to use the screen on a advanced robot im making, can some help me with this.. maybe loading a realy small linux to it [14:45] spike I did what U said but I still can only see the files as root? [14:45] ot something [14:45] or* [14:45] basically you connect the gizmo to the board with a header, then you connect another computer to the gizmo, either with serial or ethernet or these days probably usb. [14:45] moes99er1: but you found the hd listed there and it mounted it once u clicked on it, right? [14:45] then you run the special version of gdb, set a break point somewhere, and fire up the system you are debugging [14:46] moparfan90 to find a better channel go to www.searchirc.com and search for roms or something like that.... [14:46] ok thanks [14:46] annex_ (n=nick@d57-192-143.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:46] N.P. [14:46] spike, the big advantages are that (1) no matter what you can get control, because you have a hardware connection and it doesn't matter how out to lunch the o/s is [14:47] sethk: and what do you debug exactly? I can't imagine what u're gonna see. anyway tia, I'll see if anybody has got one I can look at [14:47] do you mean in root or what? [14:47] sethk: yeah, guessed that [14:47] spike, it's good for debugging bootloaders, and debugging the O/S when it isn't up far enough to be useful [14:48] spike, or what I'm doing now, which is diagnostics and test programs, that are standalone (you load one up and run it instead of the o/s) [14:48] agney (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) joined #linuxhelp. [14:48] moes99er1: I'd work my way through #embedded and similar channels [14:49] moparfan90 (n=moparfan@ool-4575bfc7.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: [14:49] anyone knows how to do transparent windows on rxvt? [14:49] i tried with -tr option but its no longer work [14:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:50] annex (n=nick@d57-192-143.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] Lego_Bitch (n=Lego_Bit@bl6-238-155.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [14:50] moes99er1 (n=jmn@hs2-57.amtelecom.net) left #linuxhelp. [14:50] eeer, moes99er1 , that was for the other guy [14:50] bah [14:50] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [14:51] foxkids: try setting the inheritPixmap resource. or just use aterm [14:51] what cellphones integrate well with linux? [14:51] hi spike [14:51] hey Triskelios [14:51] iratsu: nokia [14:51] iratsu: bluetooth ones are probably nicer [14:51] Triskelios, i got problem with aterm, i can't copy and paste text from scite editor to aterm :( [14:52] with rxvt i can [14:52] do you guys have any specific models to suggest? [14:52] that's strange [14:52] yes [14:52] so we can't do transparent in rxvt? [14:52] how come it used to work for me before [14:53] foxkids: maybe you are using a desktop now that doesn't expose the root window? [14:53] plazar (n=prozureu@cpc1-pete2-3-0-cust110.pete.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:54] iratsu: most phones by several manufacturers follow the same standards, e.g. any nokia phone is probably ok [14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [14:55] Triskelios: alright, thanks [14:55] iratsu: er, as in, there's a per-manufacrurer interface. and there's also a standard for bluetooth phones. bluetooth is very handy [14:55] Triskelios: i'm using fluxbox [14:55] Triskelios: I'll look for nokia phones that have bluetooth then =) [14:56] Lazydog (n=Lazydog@acs-24-154-94-58.zoominternet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] I like sonyericsson myself [14:56] Action: spike nodes [14:56] I mean, hw is good, but then other stuff comes in... [14:57] rich__ (n=Administ@CPE-69-76-225-14.kc.res.rr.com) left #linuxhelp. [14:57] like nokia releasing specs for some stuff and appearing a bit more floss oriented [14:57] and lately sony DRM thingie [14:57] Spacepup (n=Chris@68-118-169-206.dhcp.almg.nm.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:57] so yea, if it was me, I'd go nokia [14:58] foxkids (n=foxkids@68-118-227-195.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:01] lovinlife (n=lovinlif@pool-162-83-56-77.sal.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:02] netcat (n=netcat@ppp-70-251-45-173.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:02] windowsrefund (n=windowsr@user-0cdfjdv.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:05] smev (n=smev@S0106000625f47864.cg.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:06] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [15:07] Ghostbuster (n=richard@Sudbury-Cable17.onlink.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [15:08] Ghostbuster (n=richard@Sudbury-Cable17.onlink.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:10] Action: Agiofws o 30flpls mas ta exei kanei tarama [15:10] LesterOfPuppets (n=lesterof@c-24-21-43-69.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: [15:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:15] builder_ (n=builder@cpe-24-59-116-152.twcny.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:15] is there a way to find out how much disc space a folder takes up? [15:16] builder_: du [15:16] builder_, du -sh [15:16] builder_: folder exists only in the m$ and apple world. for the rest of the human kind, they're directories [15:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:21] vogue (n=bchabot@71-15-94-203.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:22] OT question, just got a new HD, want to keep my current disk, and just image it over and boot off the new one. How can I accomplish this? [15:22] windows xp is the primary, I'm thinking, if I stick this new one in.. and format it, it'll assign it a drive letter, which it will then always have... i need to somehow make an image of this entire drive, and put it on the other, except with more space [15:24] Hal (n=HALLTIME@host4-247.pool870.interbusiness.it) joined #linuxhelp. [15:24] vogue: xp is the primary and only one? [15:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:25] linux partition as well [15:25] i think norton ghost will do what i want? [15:26] just stick the other one one, copy the paritions and it'll do the resizing and everything for me? [15:26] vogue: do you realize u're asking about how proprietary sw works in a linux dedicated channel? [15:28] yea, i said it was an OT question.. hehe [15:28] vogue: so why not how to bake a chocolate cake [15:29] might be as relevant [15:29] matt_ (n=Matt@82-33-83-247.cable.ubr03.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [15:29] anyway [15:29] I mean, for a free OS a simple copy of the files in each filesystem will work [15:29] louish (n=louis@69-11-107-116.prna.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [15:29] vogue: anyway, I guess the disks are different in size, which means u can't use dd. u can't either cp the stuff because u'd lose ntfs properties (I assume u're using ntfs on the windoze partition) [15:29] yep [15:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [15:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:30] i think ghost will do it, i'll give it a try, thanks for the info [15:31] vogue: If you have ghost, you might as well use that. If you would like to see some of the other alternatives you might want to look at partimage or systemimager. [15:31] I wouldn't trust ghost to work on non-windows filesystems [15:32] pulse00 (n=pulse00@chello080108127019.9.11.vie.surfer.at) joined #linuxhelp. [15:32] Maybe you could use ghost on the windows partition and partimage on the rest... [15:32] hi [15:33] eek [15:33] well, back on topic, any of you use spamassassin 3.1.0? [15:33] it rules.. hehehe.. finally whitelist by subject [15:33] if i'm mounting a samba share using /etc/fstab and giving it 777 permissions, is this a bad idea for security reasons? thanks! [15:34] Action: Triskelios doesn't find whitelisting very useful [15:34] pulse00, you obviously already know the answer [15:34] pulse00 heh, anyone will be able to write to it [15:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:35] is there no password on it? I guess not if you can mount via fstab? [15:35] sethk, yes, ok. but then how can i mount the share with giving write privileges to a regular user,? [15:35] yes, there is a password in it in the fstab [15:36] pulse00: with proper group management [15:36] anyone know an efnet server thats available to public... im trying to connect to irc.efnet.net but cant seem to connect... thanks :) [15:36] pulse00 just put them in the group that owns it [15:36] SLaVKa`` you don't wanna go to efnet [15:36] SLaVKa`` all you need is on freenode.. lol [15:37] from freenode to efnet... is this a candid camera? [15:37] the owner and the group both are root for the share... if i see that right [15:38] pulse00: change that at mount time, u can specify the gid the share is mounted with [15:38] and then put users in that group and give g+w to that mountpoint [15:38] ok, i'll try, thanks! [15:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:40] can the tcp timeout for redhat rc3 be set system wide ? [15:41] how does a cross-site/wildcard SSL cert work? does it have a special common name that applies to all hosts it's installed on? [15:41] smev: look into /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ [15:42] spike: I have [15:42] smev: any other system will probably not agree on the timeout value though [15:44] I'm running a server that has a long timeout, I can't see anywhere in the src to set it, the problem is each forked process keeps running for aorund 300 seconds [15:44] litage: wildcard SSL will work only for second lvl domains [15:44] plazar (n=prozureu@cpc1-pete2-3-0-cust110.pete.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:44] so too many processes stay open and lag the box [15:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:45] spike: has in 1.domain.tld, 2.domain.tld, 3.domain.tld, etc? [15:45] lanir (n=nir@bzq-84-109-159-216.red.bezeqint.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:45] as in that, yes [15:45] lanir (n=nir@bzq-84-109-159-216.red.bezeqint.net) left #linuxhelp. [15:45] lanir (n=nir@bzq-84-109-159-216.red.bezeqint.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:45] hi [15:45] spike: is there anything wrong with that? [15:46] is there a knoppix based linux distro (that loads from cd) with netwoking/sniffing ? [15:46] litage: is that like a chained ssl cert? [15:47] vogue: i think so, though the i don't know the exact definition of a "chained" ssl cert [15:47] SLaVKa`` (n=richardu@203.63.104.245) left #linuxhelp. [15:47] KronT (i=loren@82.213.186.88) joined #linuxhelp. [15:47] lanir: plain knoppix has got tcpdump iirc [15:47] lanir: Go check out the frozentech website. They have a database of all the different live bootable CDs. [15:47] lanir: but yes, get auditor or whax [15:48] lanir: those are pentesting like distros, so had *plenty* of that stuff [15:48] lanir: auditor is based on kanotix, whax on slackware [15:48] another question: how can i query the uid of a user? [15:48] hello, im trying to set up an Apple Personal Laserwriter NT connected to serial port, but i cant make it work. any help? [15:48] litage: depends on ur understanding of "wrong" [15:48] spike: please explain [15:49] lanir: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php [15:49] litage: technically it'll work, theoretically and from a management perspective it's a dirty hack [15:49] smev: that doesn't sound like a network related issue [15:49] KronT: "it won't work" isn't helpful for us. you need to give us more detailed information. what have you done? what did you expect it to do? what did the logs say? etc [15:49] spike: hah why's it a dirty hack? [15:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:50] spike: i mean, purchasing a single chained/wildcard/whatever-it's-called ssl cert is a lot cheaper and easier to maintain than purchasing a separate one for each of your, say 20, servers [15:50] i have configured the serial port using setserial, installed cups, added postcript printer, configured it and sent a test page. [15:50] litage: because it's existence is justified simply because of mismatch errors on client side [15:50] pulse00: grep /etc/passwd [15:51] litage: I bet u're not gonna host subdomains on different servers [15:51] after a couple of minutes, cups says "work completed"buut nothing is printed [15:51] thanks [15:51] litage: I assume u'd host different domains, and thus a wildcard cert won't work [15:51] i think i'll choose whax [15:51] spike: hrmm that's true...it wouldn't allow 2nd-level sub-domains [15:51] lanir: whatever, they all sux :) [15:51] lol [15:51] i need quick and dirty one [15:51] but it's fine if u need just sniffing [15:51] yeah, thought so [15:51] :))))))) [15:52] spike: i have .com, .net and .com.au . .net and .com.au redirect to .com [15:52] u can recomanding me ? [15:52] spike: what do you mean by "it's existence is justified simply because of mismatch errors on client side"? [15:52] lanir: ethereal if u find hard tcpdump [15:53] spike: thanks, the uid thing worked with my smb share [15:53] KronT: and what do the logs say? [15:53] quite busy night ;) [15:53] i guess gui is better that the archic interface of tcpdump [15:53] netcat (n=netcat@ppp-70-251-45-173.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [15:53] its program from the 80's or smth [15:54] Agiofws (n=AC90CESS@athedsl-24377.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] litage: that guys running example.com will probably have mail.example.com, ldap.example.com, ksc.example.com and more, and won't bother setting up a different cert for all of them [15:54] lanir: u just lost an occasion to stfu :) [15:54] spike: so other than not allowing 2nd-level sub-domains, are there other drawbacks to a wildcard ssl cert? [15:54] OKAAAY [15:54] :D [15:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [15:55] litage: if they use the same example.com cert on all of them, when I use my MUA to get to mail.example.org it'll complay about cert mismatch [15:55] litage: with they wildcard it won't [15:55] pulse00 (n=pulse00@chello080108127019.9.11.vie.surfer.at) left irc: "Leaving" [15:55] of course, with the wildcard you can't tell your ldap server from your mailserver [15:55] Triskelios: true [15:55] litage: management, it's not polished and lead to confusion if u admin a large network [15:55] linux_noob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-4-140.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:56] Triskelios: true, but is that a problem? [15:56] litage: also, think of this [15:56] litage: a CA won't ever sign a wildcard cert [15:56] so anybody using a wildcard one made it himself or bought it from some cheapo CA, which makes it useless [15:57] litage: thus, it's just lazyness. if it's a self-signed cert, they could make one for every snd lvl domain [15:57] so again, technically it kinda works, but it's wrong by design [15:57] spike: ah, so a wildcard cert is signed by A, which might be signed by B, etc which will eventually be signed by a CA? [15:57] linuxnoob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-4-140.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:57] litage: eh? [15:58] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp199-39.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:58] men, vonnegut rocks, sometimes he's as good as P.D. [15:58] spike: you said a CA would never sign a wildcard cert, which i can see being true. but for a company to be selling wildcard certs, they need to be valid and not pop up warnings to customers of a company using the wildcard cert [15:59] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp137-165.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:59] spike: so i'm guessing that a CA would sign a cert for companyA, and then companyA would create wildcard certs for its customers and sign the wildcard certs with companyA's root cert? [15:59] s/need/need the cert/ [16:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:00] Writing user file... [16:00] Writing channel file... [16:00] litage: i cant find any error in logfiles [16:00] seven_six_two (n=fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4073188.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [16:00] litage: not at all :). think of it, if it was like that CA would be out of business in 2 days because A would use the root cert to sign whatever they please and run their own signing service [16:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [16:01] i print from cups to a linksys print server through ipp and for some reason the printer keeps printing the same job over and over until I cancel it...any ideas? [16:01] litage: there's nothing like chain-of-trust in x509 certs [16:01] i asked in #cups but there's not many people there. I googled also, and came up with a log of an irc channel. there was no answer to the question though [16:01] spike: what do you mean, "there's nothing like chain-of-trust in x509 certs"? [16:02] i use debian etch, and the print server and i are both hooked up to a linksys router [16:02] litage: you'd be able to impersonate a CA if they sign your sub-CA cert [16:02] litage: that A won't sign B as valid so B can sign certs in A's name or be trusted anyway because A said it is [16:02] seven_six_two: first determine if the problem is your cups server or the linksys router [16:03] chain-of-trust is gpg only afaik. don't know of any other system supporting anything like that [16:03] spike: so then how do companies issue wildcard certs that don't pop up warnings? [16:03] litage: who does that? [16:04] litage, would it matter that a windows box can do it through the same route? [16:04] seven_six_two: eg: does your cups server keep sending the job over and over? [16:04] seven_six_two: it might matter. not sure [16:04] litage: read carefully the comments in the source files here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/SSL/ [16:04] litage: u mean companies = Certificate authority or companies = IT companies ? [16:04] here we go! yay! [16:04] he came, he suggested, he went off [16:04] ;) [16:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:05] litage, yes, it sends over and over. i can cancel it on the printer, but if i don't cancel it in cups soon after, it'll print again [16:05] spike: rephrase: so then how do companies selling wildcard certs issue wildcard certs that don't pop up warnings? [16:05] _fdfdfd (i=31QYe7AL@212.33.186.230) joined #linuxhelp. [16:05] Blissex: reading [16:05] <_fdfdfd> hi, how can i make a route entry like this windows.box.name 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 in iptables [16:05] seven_six_two: does this happen when printing from any application to your cups server, or just from a specific app? [16:07] every app [16:07] Agiofws (n=AC90CESS@athedsl-24377.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [16:07] _fdfdfd: you don't [16:07] _fdfdfd: you use routes [16:08] the "job received" signal isn't getting here [16:08] or job accepted, or whatever it is. [16:08] seven_six_two: might a firewall or ACL or whatever be blocking that msg? [16:08] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios how? [16:08] why does xfce4 start in composite mode when NO xcompmgr command is running [16:08] they're all on the lan. no firewalls between us [16:09] seven_six_two: not sure. try using ethereal or tcpdump to watch the traffic back and forth between the problem cups server and the linksys router [16:09] _fdfdfd: um, exactly what you have there? [16:09] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios just wanna tell my linux box to forward all packets through the windows box [16:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:10] litage, ok. I'll try that [16:10] *all* packets; that's different then [16:10] spike, Blissex: so in other words, if you want to do things "properly" and "professionally", you get an SSL cert for each FQDN you want to use? [16:10] _fdfdfd: I have to ask first, why are you using windows as a router? [16:11] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios yeah, because i've it as a router when i had cable connection, but i lost it and i want to update some packages in the linux box using this box dialup connection :\ [16:12] <_fdfdfd> i just want to make the router access the internet through this box. is it possibale? [16:13] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios did you understand me? [16:13] Agiofws (n=AC90CESS@athedsl-24377.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:13] Graveling (n=Gravelin@adsl-121-236.swiftdsl.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [16:14] litage: yes [16:14] _fdfdfd: sort of.. I think you meant "make the linux box ccess the internet" in the last sentence? [16:14] *access [16:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:15] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-158-040.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [16:15] <_fdfdfd> yes [16:15] <_fdfdfd> through windows machine [16:15] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-68-93-112-227.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "WTF is wrong with this th i &*% thingggg n00w8(^%" [16:15] when I run vncserver -geometry 1280x1024, I can log in but it gets as far as the grey screen and wont go to a desktop. anyone got any ideas how I can fix this? it was working untill a month ago [16:16] agney (n=bofh@unaffiliated/agney) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:16] Hrm. Too many factors changed at once, now my system appears to be stable. [16:16] spike: if the machine serving up www.domain.com has an fqdn of, say mango.domain.com, and you want to install an ssl certificate, must mango's fqdn be changed to "www.domain.com"? [16:16] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios: to do that i think i need tell the linux box to forward all packets through the windows box, right? [16:17] seven_six_two (n=fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4073188.sympatico.ca) left irc: "I have more important things to do." [16:18] smev` (n=smev@S0106000625f47864.cg.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:18] _fdfdfd, typically you make the windows box the default gateway [16:18] Agiofws (n=AC90CESS@athedsl-24377.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [16:18] _fdfdfd: not exactly forward (that implies the packets came from somewhere else).. just set the windows box as the default gateway [16:18] litage: ssl CN must match requested domain [16:18] <_fdfdfd> sethk: yes? [16:18] Action: Agiofws how do i turn composite mode off in xfce [16:19] _fdfdfd: /sbin/route add default gw
[16:19] since when did xfce enable compositing by default? [16:19] spike: so how do you get around not giving your webserver a hostname of "www"? [16:19] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios thanks. [16:19] <_fdfdfd> sethk thanks. [16:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:20] _fdfdfd: you really shouldn't use windows as a router, though. ISC is crap [16:20] or ICS or whatever [16:20] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp137-165.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:21] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios: i want this for a moment [16:21] litage: you have to force one host to be always used for ssl [16:21] WHY DO YOU TORMENT ME SO, MARGINAL HARDWARE?!?!?!? [16:22] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp129-124.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:23] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) joined #linuxhelp. [16:23] smev (n=smev@S0106000625f47864.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:23] Triskelios: what do you mean? [16:23] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios: works! now I'm going to make the router part of a wireless network that connected to the internet when i do that, how can I make my windows machine connect through the router to the internet? [16:24] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) joined #linuxhelp. [16:24] litage: only one fqdn per IP address should be used in any https:// urls. virtual hosts will generally not work [16:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:25] _fdfdfd: which machine is the router now? [16:25] I usually use three keystroks to save my a file using Firefox. is there any keystorke recorder in linux. [16:25] Triskelios: so how do you get around not giving your webserver an FQDN of "www.domain.com"? [16:26] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios the linux [16:26] harpette (n=harpo@pdpc/supporter/active/Harpette) left irc: "Ciao" [16:28] litage: I'm not sure I understand. yo ucan have any number for virtual hosts, but only the one embdded in the ssl cert can be used for https.. [16:28] amphi_ (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) joined #linuxhelp. [16:28] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:28] Nick change: amphi_ -> amphi [16:28] Agiofws (n=AC90CESS@athedsl-24377.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] KronT (i=loren@82.213.186.88) left #linuxhelp ("Hasta otro rato..."). [16:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [16:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:30] acad (n=acad@64.9.41.157) joined #linuxhelp. [16:30] does anyone know that status of which plam pilots are compatible with linux on the desktop (ok, it appears they still don't have official support) and which palm's run palm's new linux kernel? [16:32] aimless (n=aimless@cpe-065-184-231-183.ec.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:32] _fdfdfd: enable IP forwarding, maybe do NAT if the linux box is handling a single external IP address [16:32] Triskelios: ah, so apache can't be told "this ssl cert is for this virtual host, and that ssl cert is for that virtual host"? [16:32] litage: right. the ssl negotiation happens before the http request with the host is sent [16:33] <_fdfdfd> Triskelios: instead of ppp0 i use for example 192.168.1.13 ? [16:33] Triskelios: ah i see. so that's why wildcard certs are useful for webservers; they allow you to have 1.domain.com, 2.domain.com, etc without popping up a warning to in the customer's browser [16:34] _fdfdfd: eh? I don't quite follow [16:34] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "slackware...simplicity in a tgz package :)" [16:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:36] seven_six_two (n=fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4073188.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [16:36] acad: check pilot-link.org. also #palm should be able to help [16:36] ok I checked out ethereal between my pc and the print server...I don't know what it means though [16:37] Does anyone know what 'memtest' is in Knoppix? [16:37] Triskelios i just found my answer. plam hasn't released a plam with linux yet. it will be a while. [16:37] CHodapp: if it's a boot option it's memtest86. if it's not it's probably not very good [16:38] Triskelios, it's not memtest86, but the reason I'm trying to find it is that it was one thing that could hard crash my system (there are a lot of things) and I'm attempting to see if I've finally got it stable again. [16:38] acad: ok. keep in mind palmsource is a seperate company so they may release stuff before palm ships with it [16:39] seven_six_two (n=fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4073188.sympatico.ca) left irc: "I have more important things to do." [16:39] Triskelios yea, good point. [16:39] vogue (n=bchabot@71-15-94-203.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:41] smev` (n=smev@S0106000625f47864.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:41] CHodapp: I can't find any references to it.. there is a "memtest" boot option though [16:41] Trinskelios, heck most windows devices have decent linux support... only problem is they allways come with windows ce, or whatever the latest thing is. [16:42] Triskelios, I can't find anything online, but if you boot Knoppix there is definitely a 'memtest' binary you can run [16:43] Triskelios, I know it's not as effective as memtest86+, but it was one sure-fire way to crash my system with its weird issues [16:44] builder_ (n=builder@cpe-24-59-116-152.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:45] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp129-124.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:45] CHodapp: but it could be a bug in the program if it's running as root [16:46] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) left irc: "Leaving" [16:46] Triskelios, it's not running as root, and it's not the only thing that hard crashes this box... [16:47] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp140-31.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:50] Triskelios: ah i see. so that's why wildcard certs are useful for webservers; they allow you to have 1.domain.com, 2.domain.com, etc without popping up a warning to in the customer's browser [16:50] seven_six_two (n=fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4073188.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [16:51] can ethereal monitor machines on my lan? like between a windows machine and the internet? [16:51] litage: u got it :) [16:51] seven_six_two, probably [16:52] all i see is my own card and lo for capture though... [16:52] spike: you said earlier that CAs don't issue wildcard certs. they do: http://www.litessl.com/ssl/pricing.html [16:52] "tar: pax_global_header: Unknown file type 'g', extracted as normal file" [16:52] On something from kernel.org... [16:52] litage: sort of, I said that no serious CA would do, not that they werent allowed to for some reason [16:52] seven_six_two: it (or your ethernet card) normally won't see normal traffic between other machines if you're on a switched network [16:52] spike: thawte does [16:53] does it? wow [16:53] amphi_ (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) joined #linuxhelp. [16:53] spike: so does digicert [16:53] I'll take it back then, I was pretty sure they didnt [16:53] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:53] Nick change: amphi_ -> amphi [16:53] aah. yes it's switched. ok. there would need to be a hub then? [16:54] litage: well, consider this too, as why one shouldnt use wildcard certs: pishing [16:54] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-158-040.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [16:55] spike: how does a phisher convince a browser it's at litage-domain.com when it's really at phisher-domain.com? [16:55] of course that has some requirements, but it might make it more effective [16:55] Blissex (n=Home@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:56] litage: by not using SSL. or using a fake domain that's similar enough to th real one [16:56] litage: one user might reveal his pwd and run a snd domain on one of the sever running wildcard certs [16:56] that will give it the possibility to run some effective pishing attack with SSL, which is always trusted blindly by the end user [16:57] with a cert signed by thawte many more users will trust it [16:57] reuben (i=ben@leb-cr1-220-16.peak.org) joined #linuxhelp. [16:57] reuben (i=ben@leb-cr1-220-16.peak.org) left #linuxhelp. [16:58] actually it's probably easier to find browsers vunlerable to IDN spoofing, but thats an implication anyway [16:58] _blue (n=blue@adsl-68-94-32-108.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:59] ah i see [17:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:00] Writing user file... [17:00] Writing channel file... [17:00] but if you have mulitple subdomains on a single webserver, you either need a wildcard cert, or don't mind if your customers get a popup warning [17:00] Lazydog_ (n=Lazydog@acs-24-154-13-242.zoominternet.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:00] litage: or do things properly and distribute the root CA u used to sign all ur certs [17:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [17:01] that's what u wanna do, an how they do it when do it properly [17:01] mombof (n=mom@adsl-153-134-42.cha.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:02] easier if u're dealing with customers than with random users, as with the former u've easier means to distribute/install it [17:02] Lazydog (n=Lazydog@acs-24-154-13-242.zoominternet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:03] spike: what do you mean, "distribute the root CA you used to sign all your certs"? when you purchase a cert from a company such as thawte, you can then create your own ssl certs that are signed by the one bought from thawte? [17:04] litage: no, u create your own CA [17:04] so self-signed certs [17:04] spike: ah. that's not exactly an easy, nor cheap, task [17:04] vogue (n=bchabot@71-15-94-203.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:04] when u buy the cert it means u've got the money to buy certs for all ur fqdn [17:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:05] litage: no, I didnt explain myself probably... [17:05] vogue (n=bchabot@71-15-94-203.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] litage: when I said u create ur own CA, I didnt mean to become a CA, as in registering and so son [17:05] s/son/on/ [17:05] litage: I meant to generate ur own CA certs as a self-signed entity [17:06] spike: if you do that, customers will get a popup [17:06] eeer, that's why I said "distribute ur root CA" [17:06] annex (n=nick@d57-192-143.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:06] litage: once they've got it installed the browser won't complain anymore [17:07] and there're means to do a proper and effective distribution [17:07] it's just not immediate for the user as a cert signed by thawte [17:07] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: "If athiesm is a religion, why do I still get treated like the other 6 billion religionists?" [17:08] spike: Sally Down The Street who wants to buy a hairdryer or something isn't going to say "okay, i'll install that ssl certificate." she's going to say "what's this? not trusted? i'll buy from somewhere else then" [17:09] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-158-040.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [17:09] _fdfdfd (i=31QYe7AL@212.33.186.230) left irc: "Killed by BlackJac (Requested by panasync)" [17:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:10] People here ever have RAM pass every single RAM test you can throw at them, but still cause problems and be apparently bad? [17:10] litage: Sally down the street wont buy an hairdryer online :) but yes, I got ur point. and anyway, for business sites there isnt much space for debates: u buy certs from thawte for all the fqdns. and that sort of realities have no use of wildcard certs. [17:10] rolo (n=psmmr@a81-84-88-240.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [17:11] hello there! [17:11] annex_ (n=nick@d57-192-143.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:11] is there any linux program to cut avi files? [17:11] litage: wildcard certs are mostly used internally to companies or within customers, and then the self CA + cert distribution is the right approach [17:11] rolo: mencoder [17:12] rolo: avisplit from transcode comes to mind [17:12] hm... [17:12] infotek411 (i=8096@shell.datasync.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:12] but i wanted to put precise scenes off the movies [17:12] i doubt i can do that with a command line command [17:13] anyone hosted virtual domain mail? [17:13] if you have a timecode, yes [17:13] rolo: avidemux [17:13] infotek411: problems with courier-imap? [17:14] rolo: you can do it from commandline, but i recommend avidemux for you [17:14] to you [17:14] spike: i'm not so sure about the self-CA + cert distribution approach because it requires a potention customer who doesn't know you to take a leap of faith and trust you [17:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:15] Triskelios: but avisplit is used to split files regularly [17:15] litage: I agree, but I already pointed out than when we start talking of "potential customers" it's thawte and nothing else [17:15] and i just wanted to extract some sceenes of the movies [17:15] and throw the rest away [17:16] can i do that with avisplit? [17:16] i glanced at the manpage and it didn't semt [17:16] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:16] rolo: read what i said above [17:16] rolo: it's that u asked the wrong question. u asked how to cut an avi file. what u wanted to ask is "how to edit an avi file". totally different questions [17:16] i still have no clue what litage is talking about. 'wildcard' certs? since when? [17:16] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:17] what other GUI configuration utils can I make to configure the kernel? gconfig isn't building [17:17] ahahah [17:17] thks mako-sama [17:17] CHodapp : xconfig [17:17] <_blue> ananke: what WM do you use when you are in X? [17:17] ananke, thanks, I kept trying to build one for Qt or KDE or something [17:17] _blue : kde [17:18] ttrocal (n=ttrocal@ppp-70-224-225-145.dsl.applwi.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:18] CHodapp: xconfig is the qt one [17:18] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:18] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] Triskelios, yeah, but I kept making up names like 'kconfig' and 'qtconfig' and 'qconfig' because I forgot :) [17:18] ah [17:19] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:19] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:19] junbug_ (n=junya@69.0.31.27) joined #linuxhelp. [17:19] ananke: in case u forgot, I might remind you what happened about long time ago when I asked about hosting multple ssl domains :) [17:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:20] Hello, I've set up Slimserver (http server for streaming music) on a Kubuntu system but am getting terribly slow transfer speeds (~1kbps over LAN/DSL). Other network protocols such as Samba and NFS are very speedy on the same system. What might cause such slowness? [17:20] i forget what happened 5 mins ago :) [17:20] I got bashed for hours for about the same question :) [17:20] and guess by who :P [17:20] lemme guess, me? [17:20] hahah [17:20] got a winner! [17:21] ananke: anyways, yes, you can buy wildcard ssl certs. they're valid for *.domain.tld [17:21] seven_six_two (n=fathead@toronto-HSE-ppp4073188.sympatico.ca) left irc: "I have more important things to do." [17:21] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:21] litage : got any info on that? sounds like something with pki [17:22] ananke: http://www.digicert.com/wildcard-ssl-certificates.htm [17:22] no, it's not PKI, it a simple *. in the cn [17:22] actually I got bashed for much less now that I recall correctly :) [17:22] just becuase I wanted to host multiple ssl domains with a single cert [17:22] ananke: http://www.litessl.com/ssl/pricing.html [17:22] spike : now that's for sure impossible [17:22] AHAHAHA [17:23] here we go :) [17:23] ttrocal: badly written app? some kind of CPU bottleneck? [17:24] aimless (n=aimless@cpe-065-184-231-183.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:25] ananke: also: http://www.whichssl.com [17:26] Triskelios: I doubt it's a CPU bottleneck and I haven't heard any complaints about the app. I was suspecting a misconfiguration in the networking somwhere. Not sure where to look, though... [17:27] ttrocal: how's performance locally? [17:28] once you've got an ssl cert installed, you can use it for anything, be it standard https, credit card transactions, etc, right? [17:28] Triskelios: It's a fast machine and CPU usage isn't maxing out or anything. Normal speeds for other network activities, as well. [17:28] Kamping_Kaiser (n=Kaiser@ppp140-31.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:29] ttrocal: I mean, what kind of transfer rate do you get out of the server connecting to it on the same machine? [17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:30] Triskelios: Oh, same speed issues: about 1kbps when transfering files and the web interface is horribly laggy. [17:31] ananke: it's not, I do it, lots of ppl do it, it might be broken for *lots* of theoretical reasons, but in practise it works. but u never acknowledge this and dont expect you to do it now [17:31] u just get the popup [17:31] ttrocal: so it's not a network problem, then [17:32] AzMoo (n=matt@unaffiliated/azmoo) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:32] spike: was that "u just get the popup" directed to me? [17:32] of course u totally lose the Authentication/Identity checking part, but it's fine for encryption [17:32] Triskelios: What do you suspect the problem might be with? [17:32] litage: nope, to what I was saying to ananke [17:32] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) left irc: Connection timed out [17:33] agney (n=bofh@200165014194.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [17:33] spike: i've noticed that some CAs have a separate, more expensive cert that they sell to you for use with credit card transactions. what's up with that? [17:34] ananke: because in the chiken-egg problem outlined in http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#ToC47 they fail to say that defaults from httpd.cong will be picked up and used for the transaction [17:34] ows (n=ows@bl5-43-159.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [17:34] is there some SW to solve word search puzzles? [17:34] ttrocal: no idea. maybe strace the thing [17:34] ananke: the thing is they just look at it "the right" way and consider Identity assuring a MUST HAVE, and thus consider that session impossible [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:35] that's what they do, but it's misleading, because guys like me get bashed for hours for no reason and that could be avoided [17:35] ows: probably several dozen [17:35] litage: no idea sorry, cant even imagine what's that about, dont see any reason.... damn you, I'm curios now :) [17:35] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) joined #linuxhelp. [17:36] hah [17:36] spike: i believe you said that CAs don't issue chain certificates. if that's the case, what's up with LiteSSL using a chain?: (step 2) http://www.litessl.com/installing_certificate/apache.html [17:37] junbug (n=junya@69.0.31.27) left irc: Connection timed out [17:38] litage: eeer, sorry but don't see where the chain is [17:39] Action: spike starts to be a bit tired (late @ night here and been up for 15 hours) [17:39] spike: read the first 1 or 2 sentences of step 2 at that url [17:39] ok [17:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:42] ows: http://duramecho.com/ComputerPrograms/WordsearchSolver/ [17:42] ttrocal (n=ttrocal@ppp-70-224-225-145.dsl.applwi.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] Triskelios: I saw that [17:43] but the one that I want to solve doesn't have input words [17:43] only the grid [17:43] :) [17:43] junbug (n=junya@69.0.31.27) joined #linuxhelp. [17:44] Triskelios: did you find some that does thaT? [17:44] ows: er, could you explain again? that one takes a grid a input [17:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:45] *as input [17:45] spike: find it? [17:46] Triskelios: that one has both a grid Wordsearch.txt and a list of words to find in Dictionary.txt [17:46] litage: have no freaking idea :) [17:46] grid and input [17:46] litage: or rather, have some guesses [17:47] Triskelios: but what I'm looking for is something that gimme some words with only the grid [17:47] without any input words [17:47] ows: er, ow does it know what is a word then? [17:47] *how [17:48] spike: what are "intermediate" certificates? [17:48] litage: but I miss some pieces to finish the puzzle. what they're doing there is distributing the SSL CA Cert, as u're supposed to do in the self-signed CA scenario [17:48] litage: that because LittleSSL is probably a small company and their cert isnt shipped with browsers [17:48] Triskelios: using dict command :P [17:49] litage: so that would give us the popup again [17:49] dictionary will know if that's a word or not [17:49] spike: digicert also uses intermediate certificates... [17:49] ows: exactly. you're supposed to feed it /usr/share/dict/words [17:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:50] litage: then users would have the problem of installing and trusting LittleSSL [17:50] litage: that's small too I guess, not in default SSL certs installed with browsers [17:50] spike: Digicert's website says that once you've installed the root and intermediate ssl certs, users won't get a popup [17:51] yes, lemme finish explaining, damn [17:51] litage: so they use UTN-USERFirst-Hardware, which is shipped with LittleSSL cert, to certify LittleSSL one [17:51] litage: so yes, I was wrong about cert chains too [17:52] litage: that's how it works: u get ur cert, LittleSSL one, and UTN-USERFirst-Hardware one [17:52] UTN-USERFirst-Hardware trust LittleSSL, which in trust turns you [17:52] GmLB (n=GmLB@155.246.221.14) joined #linuxhelp. [17:52] and thus a chain of trust [17:52] and users dont get the popup because everybody is trusted by someone and the one at the top is big enough to be shipped with ur browser [17:53] yes, thus a chain of trust [17:53] first time I see something like that... [17:53] spike: why would you buy a non-chained ssl cert from a "big CA" (like thawte) rather than a chained ssl cert from a "small CA" (like LiteSSL)? [17:53] I wonder what stops litteSSL from signed the cr$p out of the web... [17:53] probably they're limited to a number of signs, or something like that [17:54] so they can't waste signs for cr$pware [17:54] yeah, makes sense [17:54] junbug_ (n=junya@69.0.31.27) left irc: Connection timed out [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [17:55] test34 (i=1000@unaffiliated/test34) joined #linuxhelp. [17:55] litage: no idea, I might hazard some wild guess [17:55] is there a small distribution that would fit on a 256mb USB flash drive with qtparted included ? [17:55] spike: "crap" isn't considered a strong swear word btw, so self-censoring probably isn't necessary [17:56] litage: like some level of browser security disallowing certs chain [17:56] litage: that sounds possible to me [17:57] litage: but for Sheela down the road it won't make a difference I guess [17:57] or whoever was the girl down the road [17:59] Triskelios: why does it say that this isn't rectangular (10x10) http://rafb.net/paste/results/Fb1grE20.html ? [17:59] Triskelios: actually [self-]censoring like that always amused me for its completely lack of sense... what's the point of saying fsck if everybody reads it "the right" way? [17:59] substituting the whole word makes sense, just changing some letter doesnt imho [17:59] spike: you an aussie? [18:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:00] litage: no, why? [18:00] test34: the sysresccd.org iso should [18:00] spike: sheila's just a common name that australians use, that's all [18:00] thanks amphi [18:00] litage: I just couldnt remember it :) [18:00] haha [18:00] and made up sheela, which might not even exist [18:00] just rememer a bit the sound [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:01] GmLB (n=GmLB@155.246.221.14) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] litage: so, u satisfied with this ssl thingie? :) [18:02] spike: so...now i really don't know if my company should spend big bucks on a wildcard ssl cert that isn't chained (eg: from someone like thawte or verisign), or whether we should save money and get a chained wildcard cert from a smaller CA such as LiteSSL or Digicert [18:02] litage: oh, and I might even have to thank you :), learnt a couple of things myself :) [18:04] litage: neither I do. I never researched chained SSL certs implications. it's new to me as to you, and honestly I do not see theoretical reasons for it to be wrong itself [18:04] spike: that's what happens when you spend hours in linux-related channels =P [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:05] spike: i can see security/assurance to be one deciding factor. [hopefully] a company such as thawte would have better protection for their root CA cert compared to a little'un like LiteSSL [18:05] niggpie (n=eric@205.206.199.46) joined #linuxhelp. [18:05] litage: I mean, how A certifies B isn't differnt of how B certifies C, and A CA cert isnt different than B CA cert I guess, so in terms of technical structure of x509 certs I think there's no difference [18:05] Hey, does anyone here use GmailFS? [18:06] litage: so guess the problem should be researched in goodness of the certs, but in level of trustiness and apps reactions when facing such scenarios [18:06] litage: ie, I don't know on top of my head how I'd configure an ldap server to support something like that [18:06] ows: works here. did you run dos2unix on the perl script first? (it's slightly broken since it was written by a windows user) [18:07] ows: 254 unique words found (Words.txt). [18:07] spike: i'm pretty sure you just put all of the intermediate certs into the CACertFile file [18:08] litage: it's not because of the multiple files, but how the up would react to that [18:08] spike: the "up"? [18:08] app, sorry, need to sleep [18:09] spike: hrmm, for Thawte's SGC series of certs, they require you to use 1 or more intermediate certs... [18:09] spike: not to follow like a sheep, but if thawte's doing it, "it must be okay!"TM [18:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:10] I agree [18:10] ln^s|33p (n=raf@cpe-66-91-103-71.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:10] rolo (n=psmmr@a81-84-88-240.cpe.netcabo.pt) left #linuxhelp. [18:10] litage: btw, I'll research on this tmoz, definitely want to know more. if u can wait I'll give u the answer (at least I hope so, depends when I've got time) [18:10] spike: thanks for answering so many of my questions and poking me in various directions to find out more [18:11] ln^s|33p (n=raf@cpe-66-91-103-71.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:11] spike: sounds good dude. i'm logged on freenode 24/7. just send me a privmsg plz [18:11] kyncani (n=kyncani@lns-bzn-1-82-250-16-243.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:11] Agiofws (n=AC90CESS@athedsl-24377.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [18:11] I wonder why that's not contemplated in any howto... mah, I'll do re-read them [18:11] kyncani (n=kyncani@lns-bzn-35-82-250-214-123.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:12] but I never recall any of the docs I've read so far naming chained certs. they always say "send ur crq to a CA to get it signed". stop. [18:13] spike: yeah, that's all you need to do [18:13] spike: but when you're installing your cert, you need to follow your CA's instructions in case you need to also install intermediate certs [18:14] this things is just insane... but I guess they did it to simplify management [18:14] or maybe because of monopolies... [18:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:15] spike: i think also because it's very difficult to update the certs included in browsers [18:15] don't see why LittleSSL shouldnt be a "main" CA of its own... in terms of security requirements and so on I don't think they're allowed to be lazier [18:16] litage: yes, was gonna say that. we'd end up with loads of certs if that was [18:16] spike: cuz the certs included in versions of browsers that are no longer being developed won't be updated [18:16] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-158-040.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] I also wonder how they actually include certs in a browser... [18:17] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [18:17] well, one at a time, I'll look into chained certs tmoz, now time to finish my readins and go to bed, almost 3am [18:17] spike: adios. happy reading [18:17] Triskelios: I delete the lines where it's bein' checked... what kind of dictionary.txt file you give to it? [18:18] *deleted [18:18] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [18:18] ows: ln -s /usr/share/dict/words DIctionary.txt [18:18] *Dictionary.txt [18:18] Triskelios: I'm using cygwin now :P [18:18] can't help you then [18:19] can you paste your Words.txt then :) [18:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:22] Grevian (n=Grey@toronto-HSE-ppp4306369.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. 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[18:29] Agiofws: /sbin/route add -net netmask dev [18:29] ows (n=ows@bl5-43-159.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [18:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [18:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:30] Nick change: amphi_ -> amphi [18:30] Triskelios, dev ? [18:30] device? [18:30] interface [18:31] so how many route commands would i run ? [18:31] 4? [18:31] 4? [18:32] JaIl-BaIt420 (i=Illusion@c-66-41-57-82.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:33] LesterOfPuppets (n=lesterof@c-24-21-43-69.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:34] spike: you have hosted virtual domains? [18:34] Agiofws: uh-huh [18:34] junbug (n=junya@69.0.31.27) left irc: Connection timed out [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:36] hmmm, I have a VPS and I need to load an ftp server onto it, the company that sold it too me said cPanel was included and would make it easier for me, but right after they started it they sent me money back and said cPanel was un availabe, I am stuck with commands and do not know how to use them at all. I just doenloaded an ftpserver onto the root, and am in putty, how does one go about installing it and running it? Any help is [18:37] JaIl-BaIt420: please ask them to put cpanel on or just tell 'em they broken the offer u payed for and thus the contrat is nullified. then buy a VPS somewhere else. doing what u're doing is calling for *big problems* [18:39] lol, I figured as much and already bought another VPS, but I was able to get someone to put an ftp up before that worked greatly, but than they changed the root pass and tried to get access to my emails so I had to restart the server, and now I can not figure out how too load the ftp [18:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:41] no, you really shouldn't try to set up ftp if you don't really know what you're doing. it's hard enough to make ftp not a gaping security hole when you are [18:42] JaIl-BaIt420, I would expect it to be started by xinetd or inetd [18:42] JaIl-BaIt420, but Triskelios has a good point. [18:42] JaIl-BaIt420, can't you use sftp? [18:42] lol, security hole I do not care, its not on my pc and these fucks who game me the shit already fucked meover, so open it lol, I just need the ftp to move 3 files lol [18:43] JaIl-BaIt420: you don't need ftp. just scp if you can ssh in already [18:43] what lol, whats that.... I need the ftp so I can load them to the VPS than go somewhere else and download them off the 100MBit connection... [18:43] Hello, hmn awk does it have leftstr ? [18:44] JaIl-BaIt420: watch the language please [18:44] sorry [18:44] and drop a few of those lol, tnx, I'm having an overdose of happiness [18:44] JaIl-BaIt420: you hve ssh access right? install winscp and use it [18:44] JaIl-BaIt420, if you really want it for a one shot thing, just run the daemon in the background, or even in the foreground [18:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:45] how do I run the daemon? [18:45] JaIl-BaIt420: and if security problems arise, u'll be the one facing them, because the server is urs, as it u got root on it. [18:46] same goes fot adsl at home if u signed the contract.ppl first concern is always to protect that data, mine has always been to prevent ppl to act in my name [18:46] lol thats ok, I will take the risk if I can figure this out lol, the new VPS I am getting is on win 2k3 so I can handle that one, but I figure since I paid for this one I should at least useit [18:47] JaIl-BaIt420 : if you paid for it, why don't you call support? [18:47] lol, did that done that, even did IRC with them and got akilled from there network [18:48] Trisk[blah] (n=aroha_e@pcp04256425pcs.mtromd01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:48] no surprise there [18:48] they are mad because I wanted a refund since I had no cPanel [18:48] told them I would go get another VPS somewhere else [18:48] than I got akilled [18:48] called them and when I told them my name got hung up on [18:48] uhmm, are you kidding? [18:48] no sir [18:48] hope you paid with a credit card [18:48] I even got the logs [18:48] I wish [18:48] Action: JaIl-BaIt420 is only 17 [18:49] no cc here [18:49] had to do it through WU [18:49] i'd be calling my credit card company / bank so quick, they'd be crying [18:49] <_blue> you can get a credit card @ 17. [18:49] I know [18:49] thats why I used WU [18:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:50] the moment they'd hung up on me, that's when they'd loose all my business [18:50] well I am not going with them anymore goin with layerd instead, but the fact that I already paid means I should use it as best I can but so far that has not happened [18:50] <_blue> if your with a bank and you're unhappy (within reason) you will definately find a better bank willing to take your money. [18:51] froguz (n=froguz@236-136-222-201.adsl.terra.cl) joined #linuxhelp. [18:51] JaIl-BaIt420 : what company is it? [18:51] and I found a better VPS network, a little more pricy but they are willing to send someone too my house to help me set it up [18:51] JaIl-BaIt420 : and why don't you call their public relations, or somebody besides the tech support? [18:51] hello everybody [18:52] whats the number for them in Canada? I will call lol [18:52] I talked to the founder hes the one who turned my refund request down [18:52] uhmm, how should we know? you haven't told us the name of the company even [18:53] pyrexnetworks [18:53] thats the company lol sorry no one asked [18:53] i did [18:53] oh sorry, I didn't see it [18:53] lol thats the name though pyrexnetworks [18:54] third hit on google for pyrexnetworks: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=461983 [18:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/22 e/- I/-] [18:55] i would stay away from a place like that [18:55] going to check out that link now [18:55] what does "VPS" stand for anyway? [18:55] Virtual Private Server [18:56] Personal maybe, never remember [18:56] luxoculta (n=luxocult@85.138.26.162) joined #linuxhelp. [18:56] <_blue> anyone have any experience with using your cell phone as a GPRS gateway to a dialup internet provider? [18:56] can you mix print and prinf in awk ? /bin/ls $lsoptions_default | sort | awk ' { print $3 printf $5 [18:56] hey guys [18:56] personal it's more likely yes [18:56] omg [18:56] <_blue> trying to setup internet access with my cell phone connected to my laptop to where i can connect to a dialup ISP. [18:57] can anyone help me to install and probe tha atis official drivers [18:58] keanne (n=riken@mnc01.mei.co.jp) joined #linuxhelp. [18:58] heh, they have '7 servers' [18:58] hello ananke [18:58] Trisk[blah] (n=aroha_e@pcp04256425pcs.mtromd01.md.comcast.net) left irc: [18:58] is there a way to do man awk printf to get direct at the section that describes printf ? ? [18:59] Triskelios (n=arohae@einstein.cs.jhu.edu) left irc: "Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5" [18:59] Triskelios (n=arohae@einstein.cs.jhu.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [19:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:00] Writing user file... [19:00] Writing channel file... [19:00] how can i update a hdlist file from ubuntu? (wich has no genhdlist tool) [19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [19:01] i'm trying to customize a centos install cd, i've copied all the packages i need from the second to the first cd, but install process still asking me for the second cd to continue [19:01] _blue: it's more or less a normal ppp setup [19:01] where is the kde window manager? [19:02] <_blue> Triskelios: i'm thinking this might be done better in Windows eh? [19:02] _blue: huh? what does windows have to do with it [19:03] lmao spike the admin just shuit it all the way down [19:03] <_blue> Triskelios: well, the setup might be easier in windows. [19:03] <_blue> as linux compatibility might be sketchy at best. [19:03] oh hell screw it, thanks for all ur help guys [19:03] I appreciate it alot [19:03] _blue: eh? what kind of phone is this? [19:03] JaIl-BaIt420 (i=Illusion@c-66-41-57-82.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [19:04] <_blue> Triskelios: a motorola e398 [19:04] _blue: irda or bluetooth should be fine [19:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:05] <_blue> Triskelios: well, yea, but i've been googling and BT support isnt very good with linux. [19:05] no, it's just fine [19:05] I use it all the time [19:05] never tried under windows [19:08] i have had better Bluetooth experience under linux then i have in windows. :P [19:08] windows was so smart -- it kept getting stuck in a loop. [19:09] <_blue> heh, the tough part now is getting a free dialup isp to manage the internet gateway. [19:09] :) [19:09] free dialup - oh the good old days [19:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:10] "bluelight.com" :P i could start their installer.. and get online for free with it. [19:10] acad (n=acad@64.9.41.157) left irc: "Leaving" [19:10] t'was fun [19:11] "free" wireless is where it's at now [19:11] <_blue> well, i'd settle for free to nominally free dialup. [19:11] aol [19:11] :) [19:12] <_blue> Dr_Willis: talking less than five bucks a month. [19:12] <_blue> no contracts. [19:12] my mobile provider charges way too much for data transfer [19:12] <_blue> Triskelios: that's exactly what i'm trying to do. get wireless internet on this laptop using my BT phone as a GPRS gateway to a dialup ISP gateway. [19:12] just saw an AOL ad on tv. They were going on about how its "safer,no spam, nopopups, no viruses, ect now.." [19:13] Dr_Willis: they filter people's mail? [19:13] <_blue> i can either pay 20 a month for unlimited wireless internet. [19:13] <_blue> GPRS style, or pay 5 bucks a month for about the same speeds on my cell phone to a dialup ISP. [19:13] Dr_Willis: I _like_ getting mail from people like Halibut Q. Atheist ;) [19:14] amphi, they said so in the ad. :P [19:14] I get mail now for some sort of "cereal survey" [19:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:15] or Home Loans [19:15] annex (n=nick@d57-192-143.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:15] _blue: well, just use GPRS directly then [19:16] <_blue> Triskelios: 20bucks vs. Free to nominally free....you choose. [19:16] <_blue> Triskelios: plus i have to pay for GPRS card to go with GPRS direct data plan. [19:16] <_blue> this in US btw. [19:17] so thats like $60 a mo to go that route aint it? [19:17] slightly confused here - do you or do you not have a reasonable GPRS plan for your *phone*? [19:17] ttrocal (n=ttrocal@ppp-70-224-225-145.dsl.applwi.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:17] id seen some sort of wireless-pc-card for laptops/plan. is that GPRS also? [19:18] <_blue> Triskelios: nono, GPRS data plan is dedicated GPRS card for 20bucks a monthl [19:18] sparr_ (i=sparr@68-185-140-125.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:18] <_blue> i can get FREE to nominally free GRPS ACCCESS, if i can just find a Free to nominally free dialup ISP [19:18] <_blue> wont cost me anything to connect to a dialup ISP according to TMobile. [19:18] <_blue> other than just plan minutes. [19:19] _blue: um, that's not GPRS, if you're just using your phone's GSM plan to connect to an ISP over analog [19:19] <_blue> Triskelios: erm, i guess that's true.....mis spoke. [19:19] we got too many anacranoms :P [19:19] <_blue> Triskelios: bad option? [19:19] sparr (i=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:19] <_blue> 20 dollars a month is too much overhead for my small business. [19:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:21] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-150-009.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [19:21] TheBonsai (i=bonsai@p5493673E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:21] this plan is contingent on finding a low cost dialup ISP, then [19:22] which you've already stated, I guess [19:22] <_blue> Triskelios: yes....five bucks a month is somthing i can learn to live with. [19:22] Graveling (n=Gravelin@adsl-121-236.swiftdsl.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] <_blue> free is obviously better. [19:22] Hello, I was in here about an hour ago complaining about a web interface for a streaming audio server going very slowly over HTTP. I have since tried another app, which also went slowly, and so I think this is not an app-specific problem. I have also noticed that the web interface is not slow when I connect to localhost, but only when I connect to my actual IP address. So I guess it's a network problem, what can I do t [19:22] o fix it? [19:23] usn (n=usn@p54B5A614.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] TheBonsai (i=bonsai@p5493663F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:23] ttrocal, when you say network, do you mean your local network or your connection to the internet? What's your connection speed? [19:23] I tested it over a LAN, but I have a DSL connection. [19:24] ttrocal, ok, if you tested it on the LAN, then the DSL speed is irrelevant [19:24] luxoculta (n=luxocult@85.138.26.162) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] ttrocal, very unusual to have a speed problem on the LAN. I would capture packets, see what's going on. [19:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:25] I suspect it might be a problem with my router's configuration, does that sound plausible? [19:25] ttrocal, plausable, sure, but it could be a lot of other things too. Don't assume, test. [19:25] hello [19:25] Alright, so how do I go about capturing packets and what do I look for? [19:25] how can i rebuild a hdlist file from centos install cd using ubuntu?? [19:25] usn (n=usn@p54B59851.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [19:26] spike (n=spike@unaffiliated/spike) left irc: "zzZZzZZZzzZz" [19:26] ttrocal, I use ethereal. As for what to look for, I'd be looking for timeouts, things taking a long time to respond, but it is hard to say before the fact. Hopefully it will be evident [19:27] lovinlife (n=lovinlif@pool-162-83-56-77.sal.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:28] hello [19:28] Mooo! [19:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [19:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:30] Exluddite (n=Rob@pcp0011860504pcs.mnhwkn01.nj.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:30] hi [19:31] bleeeh :) [19:31] <_blue> so yea, anyone know any cheap or free dialup ISPs? [19:31] <_blue> that dont require software installation. [19:31] <_blue> LOL [19:31] i need some awk help, i need to print a string with variable length with fixed length by adding spaces in the front [19:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:37] jhammel (i=500@doe-wlan-48.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [19:37] Nick change: m4n_away -> m4n [19:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:40] sethk: I have no experience using Ethereal, but nothing is jumping out at me. If it was a timeout, where on the Ethereal interface would that be indicated? [19:41] ttrocal, you have to watch the packets and see where there is more delay than there should be. [19:41] ttrocal, find the first packet of the HTTP transaction you are interested in [19:41] ttrocal, then right click and I think it says "follow tcp transaction" or something similar [19:42] ttrocal, then look at the timestamps and see what is taking longer than expected. [19:42] 'Follow TCP stream' [19:42] ttrocal, it probably helps to change the timestamp format from absolute time to delta time [19:42] ttrocal, that sounds right, yes. [19:42] ttrocal, I know I'm being vague but that's because there are too many possibilities to be other than vague [19:43] mombof (n=mom@adsl-153-134-42.cha.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:46] ttrocal8 (n=ttrocal@ppp-70-224-225-145.dsl.applwi.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:49] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:54] isn't there a grep switch to just display filenames? [19:54] dlanser (n=d@c-67-172-237-203.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/22 e/- I/-] [19:55] hello [19:55] --with-filename is a start, but how do I surpress the line being echoed [19:56] cfk, -l [19:56] cfk, that will do both [19:56] aha [19:56] plus it's a lot easier to type :) [19:57] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:57] sethk, do you know how i can add spaces into a string so that the string will have a fixed size, it is an ls column to awk , with print [19:58] Roscow, I haven't used awk in about 25 years. It's easy to do in a language like python or ruby [19:58] awk's syntax is too cryptic for me [19:58] man grep ... -l "...scanning will stop on the first match." [19:58] that's not true [19:58] or does that mean within the file.. [19:58] i should try... [19:58] cfk, right, within the file [19:58] cfk, try it, you'll see [19:59] im affraid... what if it smokes my box? ;) [19:59] cfk, then we'll all say ohhhhhhhhhhhhh [19:59] lol [19:59] ttrocal (n=ttrocal@ppp-70-224-225-145.dsl.applwi.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:59] I paid $15 for that box... it better not blow [20:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:00] Writing user file... [20:00] Writing channel file... [20:00] cfk, if you can blow the box with grep -l, you have a great future as a weapon [20:00] froguz (n=froguz@236-136-222-201.adsl.terra.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [20:01] grep is virus! don't do it! its a tarp!!!! [20:01] tarp or carp? [20:01] I caught a carp once [20:03] Hal (n=HALLTIME@host4-247.pool870.interbusiness.it) left irc: "—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515" [20:03] I bet that's what 0'ed out my file last week [20:03] ;) [20:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:07] tarp? [20:07] now that I have my list of files (12 of them), how can I pipe that to vi so that I can edit each one? [20:08] that's what you put over something when it's raining [20:08] vi $(grep -l whatever ......) [20:08] awesome [20:08] grep whatever|vi didn't work at all [20:08] the magic of having a real shell :) [20:08] no, it wouldn't. [20:08] that would treat the list of files as a document to be edited [20:09] or as letters you are typing. [20:09] vi - was close [20:09] the latter, actually [20:09] cfk, close :) [20:09] louish (n=louis@69-11-107-116.prna.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) left irc: Connection timed out [20:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:10] you could also do: grep -l whatever ..... | xargs vi [20:11] cfk, which works with very long arguments lists. but I doubt you'll be editing hundreds of files [20:11] xargs is magic [20:12] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:16] what is a good way to "replace" an html file with a pdf? [20:16] cfk, i.e. render an HTML as a PDF? [20:16] I tried a redirect, but that;s lame [20:16] as pdf [20:16] harpette (n=harpo@cpe-24-28-64-137.austin.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [20:17] so that when someone browses to foo.html, they get bar.pdf [20:17] cfk, there are conversion programs. see if there is an html2pdf [20:17] cfk, oh, an html redirect [20:17] I have the pdf. [20:17] yeah [20:17] cfk, html has a syntax for that, but I'd have to look it up [20:17] this page should be doing it, but isn't: http://www.kelliscakes.com/page2.html [20:18] GF's site [20:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:20] maybe I should just change the 12 refs to that page to the pdf... [20:20] I R lazy. [20:21] silverblade (n=silverbl@81-178-235-130.dsl.pipex.com) left irc: "www.reactos.com" [20:22] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: "If athiesm is a religion, why do I still get treated like the other 6 billion religionists?" [20:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:27] Agiofws (n=AC90CESS@athedsl-24377.otenet.gr) left irc: "psemata!" [20:28] done. that wasnt so bad [20:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [20:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:30] and you call yourself lazy [20:33] dimm0k (n=nmok@pool-71-249-34-196.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:34] cfk, the font on the upper left navigation menu is muy terrible [20:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:36] cfk: and there are more errors too...want to know a few? [20:36] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:37] sure [20:37] oh wait... font isn't my dept [20:38] well, first the main page title is "404 not found" that can't be right [20:38] page2? that just went away [20:38] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-150-009.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [20:38] that was the old html resume, just replaces with the new pdf resume [20:39] then there is with the broken .jpg [20:39] that sounds bad [20:39] cfk: no, I'm looking at http://www.kelliscakes.com/ [20:39] for some reason it links to mcdonalds....uh...dunno why [20:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:40] thats funky [20:40] that's all i've seen in my very cursory look [20:41] mc-d must have registered a [20:42] I'd add a target="_new" to the resume link [20:44] good idea [20:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:45] here's a shot of what the site looks like to me... [20:45] http://thedings.servebeer.com/temp/KellysCakes.jpg [20:45] nudenurd (n=no@proxy.qtac.edu.au) joined #linuxhelp. [20:45] ello [20:45] (kinda big, i guess) [20:46] stupid question, what's the encryption used in /etc/shadow? [20:46] no prob... [20:46] I mean, the standard encryption [20:46] MD5? [20:46] nudenurd, depends on configuration, and that depends on the distro [20:46] nudenurd, but man shadow should help you [20:47] well, it's actually solaris 9 with no man installed [20:47] jhammel (i=500@doe-wlan-48.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: "Sedimentation fault (gravel dumped)" [20:48] nudenurd, the configuration of solaris is not the same as linux anyway [20:48] nudenurd, the linux answer is irrelevant [20:48] nudenurd, I'm sure there are docs on Sun's site that will answer your question [20:48] nudenurd, I don't have a solaris box here, so I can't do a man here. [20:48] nudenurd, by the way, why don't you just install man? [20:49] nudenurd, plus, is it really not installed? It isn't a MANPATH problem or something similar? [20:49] nudenurd, there is no man executable? [20:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:50] no, this machine has next to nothing on it. it's a mainstream production box, running a mission critical database [20:51] jayparadise (n=james@cpe-065-191-014-203.nc.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [20:53] nudenurd, then sun's web site, or another machine running the same version of solaris, are your best bets. [20:53] Lester - thats about what it looks like here too [20:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [20:56] gnubien (n=e@180.242.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] cfk: I just find that nav bar difficult to read. [20:57] yeah - Kelli did that site in about 2 days. pretty good for a chef I would say [20:58] not bad at all [20:58] the images should be thumbs to bigger pictures - they are really pretty [20:59] xp__ (n=knoppix@c-24-10-33-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:59] I need some advice/help on moving from windows roaming profiles to a linux solution, any ideas? [21:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [21:00] Writing user file... [21:00] Writing channel file... [21:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [21:01] XeRNiLuM (n=a@158.Red-81-37-165.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:03] linux_noob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-4-140.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:04] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [21:05] Exluddite (n=Rob@pcp0011860504pcs.mnhwkn01.nj.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). 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[21:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/22 e/- I/-] [21:40] hi [21:40] anyone there? [21:40] somewhat [21:40] im having a problem with GRUB [21:41] GRUB crashes at the loading screen with a message: GRUB Loading stage1.5 [21:42] .. [21:44] what are some good windows-based SSH clients? Apart from puTTY [21:44] w_harold (n=pete@69-161-100-51.bflony.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/22 e/- I/-] [21:45] gee_cee0: a problem? [21:46] yea [21:46] a problem... GRUB hangs at loading [21:46] mombof (n=mom@adsl-153-134-42.cha.bellsouth.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference" [21:46] do you see just "Loading stage1.5" [21:46] yup [21:46] or do you see "Error 79" or something [21:46] no error message [21:46] just GRUB Loading stage1.5... [21:46] and then nothing [21:47] can you get to the menu list where you select which os to boot? [21:47] nope [21:47] ok stage 2 of grub is missing [21:47] ! [21:47] it worked before.. [21:47] cd into /boot/grub [21:47] how do i do tat [21:48] i cant get into my os [21:48] that* [21:48] um, well, there are always live cds [21:48] they are invaluable for fixes like these [21:48] so how would i use the live cd? [21:48] boot it, [21:49] mount /dev/whereeverlinuxisonyourharddrive /dev/fixthisdrive [21:49] excuse me [21:49] */mnt/fixthisdrive [21:49] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-084-059-115-161.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:49] cd /mnt/fixthisdrive/boot/grub [21:49] hmm [21:49] and put stage 2 of grub back in there [21:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [21:50] do you know where to get stage2 of grub? [21:50] minor problem... cd drive too slow to run live cd properly [21:50] no actually [21:50] well, it's at the gnu alpha software ftp site [21:50] ftp://alpha.gnu.org [21:50] somewhere in there [21:51] probably in /pub/grub [21:51] um... so i download that and install it? [21:51] yeah, that comes with stage1, stage1.5this, stage1.5that, stage2, etc. [21:51] or I could give you mine [21:51] ok... [21:52] hold on, I have to remember how to dcc stuff [21:52] what is strange is... GRUB was working fine earlier [21:52] aw, crap, I forgot [21:52] lol [21:52] were you running a ssh server or telnet server [21:52] it wasnt a server [21:53] ok [21:53] well, what distro is broken? [21:53] ubuntu :) [21:53] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-084-059-115-161.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:53] there is an easier fix for all of this! [21:53] is there? [21:53] yep [21:53] ooo [21:53] would really help to know the fix.. [21:53] nudenurd (n=no@proxy.qtac.edu.au) left irc: [21:53] doesn't ubuntu offer the option to just 'upgrade'? [21:53] um yea... [21:54] kinda [21:54] there you have it! [21:54] do this... [21:54] it has a package manager [21:54] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-084-059-115-161.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:54] select upgrade [21:54] get to the point where it asks you to install a boot loader [21:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/22 e/- I/-] [21:55] wait...? [21:55] select 'install to mbr' or whatever [21:55] ok [21:55] do i do this in the install? [21:55] I don't know. I've never installed ubuntu [21:55] hm... so probably have to "upgrade" through the live cd inside the os? [21:56] yeah... but make sure you get to the point where you install a boot loader [21:56] DO NOT FORMAT YOUR DISK [21:56] yea... [21:56] or you'll lose it all [21:56] I actually tried booting the install disk for ubuntu [21:56] and skipping to instaling a boot loader [21:56] installing* [21:56] but it gave all kinds of scary error messages [21:57] do you have another live cd laying around? [21:57] yea i do [21:57] great! we'll fix it with that one [21:57] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-084-059-115-161.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:57] knoppix? [21:57] ubuntu live cd [21:57] ok, good enough [21:57] og sorry [21:57] it's debian based [21:57] sh* [21:57] yea it is [21:57] np :) [21:58] okay, if grub is on the ubuntu live cd, then you can find out by doing: [21:58] (as root) [21:58] ok... well my poor cd drive has been trying all this while to boot up the live cd... [21:58] locate *grub* [21:58] locate grub? [21:58] yes that is the command [21:58] or [21:58] just "locate grub"? [21:58] locate stage2 [21:59] umm ok [21:59] if locate doesn't work, [21:59] what then [21:59] then use slocate [21:59] and if that doesn't work [21:59] then use `find / -iname stage2` [21:59] alright [21:59] now ill just have to wait for my ancient cd drive [21:59] so what do i do when ive "located" GRUB? [22:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:00] Writing user file... [22:00] Writing channel file... [22:00] "grub" should be a directory [22:00] cd into that [22:00] ok... [22:00] and copy stage2 onto /mnt/whereverbrokenubuntuis/boot/grub [22:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [22:01] "whereverbrokenubuntuis" being? [22:01] wherever your broken system is [22:01] eg. hda5? [22:01] yep [22:02] hmm... not too sure exactly where it is but ill give it a go... and stage2 can be obtained from...? [22:02] don't worry, you'll get used to using live cds to repair your system all the time [22:02] linuxnoob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-4-140.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] cfk (n=carlfk@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] that "grub" directory that you found [22:02] lol... im pretty new to unix so... [22:02] using locate [22:02] yea [22:02] i've noticed... :) [22:02] daniel_ (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) joined #linuxhelp. [22:02] :) pretty obvious huh... [22:03] well, let's just say you're not an actor [22:03] :P [22:03] learning unix sucks [22:03] so what about the grub directory... [22:03] its been ok so far [22:03] I don't know. did you delete it? [22:03] delete the grub directory?? [22:04] rm -rf /boot/grub [22:04] ? [22:04] ok it found about 100 files with the word grub in it [22:04] oh, crap [22:04] Grey (n=Grey@toronto-HSE-ppp4306369.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] 100 being a gross exaggeration [22:04] look for 'stage2' instead [22:04] k [22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:05] at least you know you have grub [22:05] 10 results [22:05] lol yea [22:05] now what... 10 results for stage 2 [22:05] well, cd into one and see if stage2's buddies are there... [22:05] stage1, stage1.5, etc [22:05] stage2's buddies? [22:05] AH OK [22:05] sry for caps [22:06] np [22:06] stage1, etc. i could pm you with the files in my grub dir [22:06] wtf [22:06] do you know how grub works? [22:06] the directory doesnt exist...?? [22:06] is it a file? [22:06] instead of a directory? [22:07] i found one: /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 [22:07] yes thats the one [22:07] tried to cd into it [22:07] didnt work [22:07] i got as far as /lib [22:07] don't cd into /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 [22:07] cd into /lib/grub/i386-pc [22:07] ah ok [22:07] now what [22:07] stage2 isn't a directory it's a file [22:08] lol o [22:08] ok, have you mounted your broken partition? [22:08] mount? [22:08] oh, boy, u really are new to unix [22:08] :( [22:08] np [22:08] i kinda noticed [22:08] ok, mounting is when [22:09] it's like... [22:09] to read a filesystem... it needs to be 'mounted' [22:09] ok [22:09] so how to mount [22:09] most, if not all of this is done for you automatically [22:09] as root [22:09] oh.. [22:09] mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 [22:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:10] it could already be mounted for you [22:10] you can tell if it's mounted for you by running `mount -l` [22:10] they say i must specify the type of dilesystem [22:10] file* [22:10] ok [22:11] mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 [22:11] i typed: sudo mount /dev/hda05 /mnt/hda05 [22:11] use the -t to specify the filesystem type [22:11] you are most likely using an ext3 (or ext2) filesytem [22:11] ext3 [22:12] hmm... /mnt/hda05 doesnt exist [22:12] dlanser (n=d@c-67-172-237-203.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [22:12] mkdir /mnt/hda5 [22:12] k [22:12] then run the other cmd again [22:12] kk [22:12] stressed out yet? [22:13] special device /dev/hda05 does not exist [22:13] very [22:13] not /dev/hda05 but /dev/hda5 [22:13] k [22:13] you must be *very* specific to unix [22:14] wdf whole chunk of text.. [22:14] what cmd did you run? [22:14] usage: mount -V [22:14] etc etc [22:14] so far the informational part [22:14] next the mounting [22:14] the command is 'mount [-t fstype] something somewhere' [22:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:15] actually it's [22:15] list of mount options [22:15] note that one does not really mount a device [22:15] mount [-t fstype] device place.2.mount [22:15] one mounts a filesystem found on the device [22:15] do i type that [22:15] mount -t ext3 /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 [22:15] k [22:16] done [22:16] perfect [22:16] kk wat next [22:16] sry for being slow [22:16] now, I want you to run a command that will tell if the binary on the broken partition is corrupted [22:17] i'm the slow typist here [22:17] ok... the partition is broken? [22:17] i don't think so [22:17] ok nvm... just tell me what to do [22:17] but i think that stage2 on the partition is [22:17] k [22:17] ok [22:17] but wait up there's a lot of typing [22:17] i have to go soon so... try and get as much as i can done [22:17] cd into the dir where stage2 is [22:18] kk thats /lib/grub/i386-pc [22:18] daniel (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) left irc: Connection timed out [22:18] nevermind, here's a quick fix: [22:18] ? [22:18] i'm not sure if it'll work tho [22:18] ... [22:18] ive got about 5 mins [22:18] cp -v /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 /mnt/hda5/boot/grub [22:18] k [22:19] that should work [22:19] lag [22:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:20] done [22:20] do you want to check to see if it got copied correctly? [22:20] k [22:20] cmp /lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 /mnt/hda5/boot/grub/stage2 [22:20] yup theres stage 2 in there [22:20] if there is no output, then congradulations [22:20] i did ls in the dir [22:21] the 'cmp' cmd compares the two binaries to see if they are the same or not [22:21] no output [22:21] good [22:21] now what [22:21] hopefully you're solution is solved [22:21] but just in case... [22:21] ...? [22:21] we're going to reinstall grub to the mbr [22:22] k [22:22] or do you not have enough time? [22:22] ill give it 3 mins max [22:22] quick one [22:22] ok, i'll try to hurry [22:22] thanks [22:22] do as i type: [22:22] k [22:22] grub [22:22] ? [22:22] root (hd0,4) [22:22] setup (hd0) [22:23] exit [22:23] you're done [22:23] hd4? [22:23] yes [22:23] grub has weird names for devices [22:23] selected disk does not exist [22:23] i think its hda5? [22:23] no [22:23] this is grub's special way of naming things [22:23] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9C237.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [22:24] /dev/hda1 = (hd0,0) [22:24] error 21 [22:24] selected disk does not exist..? [22:24] root (hd0,4) [22:24] do you use scsi disks? [22:24] wats that [22:24] scsi? [22:24] nevermind... [22:24] sry [22:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:25] did you *only* put a space inbetween root and ( ? [22:25] yea [22:25] root (hd0,4) [22:25] and no space after the comma? [22:26] nope..... [22:26] strange [22:26] hmmm ... [22:26] i have it [22:26] ? [22:26] type `root (hd0,` do not hit enter [22:26] hit the tab key twice instead [22:27] `root (hd0,` and two tabs? [22:27] yes [22:27] error 11 [22:27] unrecognized device string [22:27] :( gtg [22:28] ok, let me enter grub [22:28] no time left :( [22:28] do not type the ` [22:28] ok [22:28] ok bye [22:28] selected disk does not exist [22:28] will u be here 1 hour later? [22:29] no [22:29] :( cya then mate... thanks for the help [22:29] i hope it works without installing [22:29] ok, hopefully it works now [22:29] :) bye and thanks again [22:29] np [22:29] gee_cee0 (n=glenroch@c210-49-213-42.eburwd6.vic.optusnet.com.au) left #linuxhelp. [22:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [22:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:30] Action: chmtdist thinks "blondes and unix: why, why?" [22:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:40] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:42] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9C237.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Naspa- wir kцnnen kein Geld, wir kцnnen nur billig!" [22:43] Nick change: Pmou -> Akuma [22:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/22 e/- I/-] [22:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:50] Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.246) joined #linuxhelp. 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[23:46] I did this in resolv.conf: domain selfip.net [23:46] yet, when I do hostname -f, it only prints my hostname (without domain) [23:49] vi /etc/hosts, and /etc/hostname prolly. [23:49] chmtdist (n=jcurl@71-37-169-226.bois.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:49] I did do /etc/hosts too [23:49] does /etc/hostname exist? [23:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [23:50] nope [23:50] hmm... in obsd it is /etc/myname [23:50] perhaps it is something similar in linux. [23:54] /etc/HOSTNAME [23:54] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|zzz [23:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/22 e/- I/-] [23:56] k, thx [23:56] sonic (n=anant@62.139.130.178) left #linuxhelp. [23:56] imperfect (n=eclectic@2001:618:400:0:0:0:ca35:8fe) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:57] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-126-25-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/22 e/- I/-] [00:00] --- Mon Nov 28 2005 [00:00] Backing up user file... [00:00] Backing up channel file...