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[01:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [01:01] Cicci0 (n=ciccio@85-18-136-111.fastres.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:03] hi all, I've got a problem with my new notebook centrino core duo (sony vaio fe11m) [01:04] If I power on it on battery (no AC) linux startup is EXTREMELY SLOW... as I was workin on a 386... [01:04] perhaps the cpu is clocked down to preserve battery power [01:04] Cicci0: vim /etc/cpufreqd.conf [01:04] btw what distro? [01:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/127 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/127 b/25 e/- I/-] [01:05] gentoo [01:05] yea check out cpufreqd.conf [01:05] unix_infidel I could install it of course... [01:05] unix_infidel: if that's what he's running [01:05] but the problem is even before.. [01:05] oh, you dont even have that installed/ [01:05] cpufreqd is a daemon that starts when system is quite completely loaded... [01:05] cpufreqd is not the only speedstep daemon [01:06] but powering on my laptop without AC coming to a login can be a 10 minutes thing... [01:06] ninjak (n=pippo@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined #linuxhelp. [01:06] Cicci0: maybe it does it in BIOS? [01:06] mine is pretty snappy with kubuntu. [01:06] right unix_infidel... surely it does in bios [01:07] but I cannot change nothing in bios related to power management [01:07] sucks that you bought a vaio :) [01:07] []Joe_Satriani[] (n=gustavo@200-100-143-190.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined #linuxhelp. [01:07] Cicci0: emerge cpufreq-utils and use cpufreq-info to see what it's clocked at [01:07] cpufrequtils even [01:08] ok Zider and when I know what now I suppose (that cpu is to lowest setting AND throtthling the same?) [01:08] I think it a speedfreq_centrino module lack... [01:08] well, cpufreq-set can be used to clock it up to full speed if you need to. [01:09] []Joe_Satriani[] (n=gustavo@200-100-143-190.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left #linuxhelp. [01:09] Zider: but this is BEFORE the modules load. [01:09] and the daemon starts. [01:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/25 e/- I/-] [01:10] i'd give it the old insmod so the modules load up and maybe that'll help. [01:10] unix_infidel: well, at least you can check if it's indeed downclocked or if it's something else that's weird [01:10] yes zider but as told before, when cpufreqd loads I have ben fallen asleep :D [01:10] s/you/he/ [01:10] Cicci0: what about when you boot to windows? [01:11] unix_infidel I must try... but I HOPE they haven't sold a notebook that simply won't start on battery :D [01:11] Cicci0: sounds like you need to suck it up and buy a panasonic. [01:12] or some other brand for that matter :P [01:12] I'll make more investigations but I think I must only wait that new platform as NAPA will be better supported by kernel [01:13] I still think you should check if it's really clocked down nor not.. maybe it's some other problem.. [01:14] well if you havent booted to windows before, that's a good measure. [01:14] kubuntu boots faster than windows unless it does a fsck. [01:14] no, I've boot to windows but I didn't notice a so heavy slow down [01:14] but I'll check oson [01:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/25 e/- I/-] [01:15] ninjak (n=pippo@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Client Quit [01:15] Cicci0: most likely a kernel issue with the new core duos? [01:15] Zider I saw that cpu is clocked down when I started it from battery [01:15] k [01:15] unix_infidel this is what I'm thinking... [01:15] where should I file a bug about speedfreq_centrino? who mantains it? [01:15] Cicci0: google. [01:16] google cpufreqd [01:16] cpufreqd: http://cpufreqd.sourceforge.net/ [01:16] uhm [01:16] are they making the kernel module as well? [01:17] Keefe (n=Keefe@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [01:17] of course speedfreq_centrino was speedstep-centrino module ;) [01:18] maybe intel makes the modules. [01:18] I'd check out kernel.org or the kernel source to see who maintains that module.. [01:19] thanks [01:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/25 e/- I/-] [01:20] * Copyright (C) 2003 Jeremy Fitzhardinge [01:20] :) [01:20] if indeed it's the centrino driver you need [01:21] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:21] i'm using speedstep-centrino [01:21] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [01:21] reaper (n=grim@ppp4F79.dsl.pacific.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [01:23] Cicci0: yes, but is that the driver for your cpu? [01:23] yes [01:23] that's the driver, the module for govenors are seperate. [01:23] governors* [01:23] it loads without errors and can change frequency... [01:23] k [01:24] so it works... [01:24] not perfectly (If I set conservative scaling_governor I got an unstable system) [01:24] but it works... [01:24] Cicci0: try insmodding the modules and rebooting? [01:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/129 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/129 b/25 e/- I/-] [01:25] unix? [01:25] Cicci0: maybe those modules booting up along with the kernel will speed things up? [01:25] it's in the kernel... [01:25] not as module [01:25] same effect when as module... [01:26] ahhh....that's odd. you musta effed up when you built that kernel. [01:26] try just vanilla. [01:29] apathy (n=z@58.69.248.251) left irc: [01:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [01:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/25 e/- I/-] [01:30] Snadder (i=sander@062016240108.customer.alfanett.no) got netsplit. [01:30] Manu (i=Manu@61.84.154.149) joined #linuxhelp. [01:30] Manu (i=Manu@61.84.154.149) left #linuxhelp. [01:31] Snadder (i=sander@062016240108.customer.alfanett.no) returned to #linuxhelp. [01:34] mako-sama (i=1000@217.17.252.198) joined #linuxhelp. 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[01:50] hi [01:51] lilo (i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin) left irc: "brb" [01:51] cedega_bf (n=cedega@dslb-084-058-163-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:52] i just did ln -sf File2 File1 instead of ln -sf File1 File2 is there any way of getting back File1? [01:52] lilo (i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin) joined #linuxhelp. [01:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/25 e/- I/-] [01:55] m-00kie (i=3704558@host-58-200-9-69.midco.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:55] m-00kie (i=3704558@host-58-200-9-69.midco.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:55] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [01:56] raketti (n=kikkeli@a84-230-242-159.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [01:56] raketti_ (n=kikkeli@a84-230-242-159.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #linuxhelp. [01:56] raketti_ (n=kikkeli@a84-230-242-159.elisa-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:57] beta_ (i=beta@24-113-26-173.wavecable.com) joined #linuxhelp. [01:58] is there a way to set up a drive/directory to force a set of default permissions when files are put on the drive? [01:58] Romster (n=romster@tor/session/x-64199080e43c42ca) joined #linuxhelp. [01:59] i have storage drives i want all users to be able to have full access to [02:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/128 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/128 b/25 e/- I/-] [02:00] Writing user file... [02:00] Writing channel file... [02:00] beta_: what filesystem, and how are the users getting access? [02:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [02:01] ext3 and reiserfs [02:01] the users have local and samba access [02:02] ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined #linuxhelp. [02:03] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:03] pjv (n=pjv@61.68.137.24) joined #linuxhelp. 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[02:09] ok, i think i've got it worked out, thanks for the info [02:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [02:10] wow, sata is giving me 40MB/s right now [02:10] beta_: you can make stuff create with group read/write access by tweaking the sticky bit for the dir in question... tho I never remember what one it is. one of them will make everything you create come up the same [02:11] cool [02:11] o [02:11] i'll have to try that tomarrow, time to crash [02:11] 02:11:30 up 41 min, 4 users, load average: 6.59, 2.84, 1.32 [02:11] beta_ (i=beta@24-113-26-173.wavecable.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [02:11] Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.243) joined #linuxhelp. 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[02:27] man file ;-) [02:27] Yeah I noticed the content has an ELF header, but there's a bunch of stuff before that [02:27] yup :) [02:28] I'm just curious how they're actually used, ie how linkers pull things from them and well... link [02:29] They unar them, obviously [02:29] yeah i just realised that lol [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/25 e/- I/-] [02:30] actually i guess i wanted to go a little deeper and figure out how the functions actually become usable [02:30] The ELF header contains a list of symbols and it's addresses [02:30] mhm [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/25 e/- I/-] [02:36] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/25 e/- I/-] [02:46] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:46] TipTap (n=jon@noc.mistral.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:08] im trying to print a PDF file but all i get is a bunch of text at the top of the page, going across horizontally, looking like commands of some form. I've selected the right printer model etc. in CUPS and set it all up right as far as i can tell... whats wrong [04:08] how are you printing it? [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:10] silverblade : lack of postscript interpreter on the printer, or wrong postscript level [04:11] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) joined #linuxhelp. [04:12] Zider: KPDF, just doing File > Print, and clicking OK. [04:12] ananke: how do i set that [04:12] hmz [04:12] tried acroread? [04:13] i got graphical logos on a pdf i would like to edit them, is there a good editor for this, i tried kword,scribus, but they failed and they don't show the graphics that well, i mean the graphics are all a blotch [04:14] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [04:14] hm... now its not talking to the printer at all [04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:18] shortlinggs (i=sessop@203.177.75.20) joined #linuxhelp. [04:19] hello [04:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:20] hmm no its still going nuts [04:23] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:23] how can i send an email in shell scripting with added mail headers like X-Confirm-Reading-To: and Disposition-Notification-To: ? [04:23] anyone? [04:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:25] shortlinggs: ask in #mutt or other mail chan? [04:27] ok [04:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [04:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:31] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:38] Voidy (n=Voidy@212.228-136-217.adsl-fix.skynet.be) joined #linuxhelp. [04:39] Hello, I'm using ubuntu. Is there a program for linux to use TAPI phones? [04:39] ok now im only getting about 1/4 of a page before it stops printing [04:39] TAPI is a Microsoft API [04:39] So no, you can't use TAPI. Perhaps there's something similar, but I, at least, haven't heard of something like this yet. [04:39] oh :( [04:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:40] or anything to talk to alcatel pabx [04:40] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:40] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:41] Voidy: alcatel use sip with voip? [04:41] I think voIP [04:42] the system is rather closed :( Alcatel forum 700 [04:42] I want to be able to dail numbers from my computer, and since I don't use windows :) [04:42] Voidy: ok, www.twinklephone.com best alsa compliant softphone available imho [04:42] ah , but I was lookng for something ton control my actuall phone [04:43] Voidy: phone make/model? [04:43] on windows they provide a tapi program (alcatel does) which allows you to dail a number and then your phone dails or when someone calls you the number is displayed on screen [04:43] hang on :) [04:43] IDS 260 with IP Enabler [04:43] 4098 FRE [04:44] Voidy: maybe asterisk can do that; best voip info site: voip-info.org [04:44] I'll have a look [04:44] Voidy: google IDS 260 voip-info.org is easiest [04:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:48] porky_scratching (n=chatzill@cpc2-derb5-5-0-cust108.leic.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:49] Does anyone know what method Centos uses to block failed shh logins? [04:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:50] probably some pam module [04:51] silverblade (n=silverbl@cust77-dsl53.idnet.net) left irc: "They're coming to take me away!" [04:51] lol keeps locking meself out my password is pain to use [04:53] id like to lower teh number of failed logins before it locks but increase the reset time so if I fail it dont seem like I got all day to wait [04:54] i would suggest learning how to type [04:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [04:55] or using another password [04:55] eh [04:55] its my damn board got hot rock damage [04:55] <_sho_> hah, thats amusing. i have someone trying to tell me he can use a random mac to ifdown an interface [04:56] hey guys [04:56] anyknow what cmd is used to up the services in solaris ? (like /etc/service xyz) [04:57] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [04:57] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:58] Jenna: try #opensolaris [04:58] pjv: okay thanx [04:59] /etc/init.d/whatever start|stop [04:59] unless i'm missing the question, since the question made little sense [05:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:00] Writing user file... [05:00] Writing channel file... [05:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [05:01] ananke; I was looking for /etc/service equialent in solaris [05:01] Sonderblade (n=muh@host-213.131.147.169.addr.tdcsong.se) left irc: "Lämnar" [05:02] awk -v progname=/etc/cron.daily/rpm progname {????? print progname ":\n"????? progname="";???? }???? { print; } <-- i have this line almost the same with the other when i typed: ps auxwww [05:02] does redhat do that all the time? [05:02] i was installing rpm -i mutt.rpm file but i canceled it [05:02] and now i saw lots of rpmq proccesses, does cron run rpmq? [05:04] well it hsould only run daily [05:04] as it's in cron.daily [05:04] Sonderblade (n=muh@host-213.131.147.169.addr.tdcsong.se) joined #linuxhelp. [05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:05] Jenna : and what exactly is /etc/service? [05:05] hehe [05:05] considering it's not even a standard on all distros [05:05] it's the file that contains the network services [05:05] no, it's not [05:06] ports [05:06] reaper (n=grim@ppp4F79.dsl.pacific.net.au) left #linuxhelp ("So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!"). [05:06] you can define the port inside the services file to use [05:06] TipTap : that's services, not service [05:06] oh sorry [05:06] misread [05:07] ananke, you ever used selinux? [05:07] nope [05:08] no me neither.. wondered what people thought.. will have to read up on some forums i guess [05:08] ananke: is that a trick question ? [05:08] <_sho_> selinux can be a nightmare [05:08] Jenna : no [05:08] shezz after kill -9 my linux box went slow..i cant almost type [05:09] shortlinggs : first, wtf did you use -9? [05:09] Humanoid (n=user@ppp-58.11.1.9.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined #linuxhelp. [05:09] What exactly does have /etc/service ?. Fedora and slackware do not [05:09] Is arptables always active? Or does something need to be done to activate it? [05:09] ananke i found out many proccesses running rpmq [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:10] ananke: check this out. linux & solaris ref. http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/ [05:10] Aldaron : that's why i asked [05:10] it has 267 running proccesses of rpmq and do you that is normal? [05:10] Jenna : so what, you can't tell me what /etc/service is? [05:10] ananke: scroll to " RHEL-to-Solaris Transition Reference " part [05:10] ananke: whats the point ? [05:11] ananke do you think that is normal with so many rpmq proccesses running? [05:11] the point of the question? duh [05:11] you asked for a solaris equivalent to /etc/service. you were asked what exactly is /etc/service. how can we answer your original question without knowing the answer to the second? [05:12] sybariten (n=killian@h18n2c1o986.bredband.skanova.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:12] anyone know about the punBB forum system ? [05:12] <_sho_> is binding not recommended solution for multiple inbound interface traffic? [05:12] Jenna, ah, maybe you mean /sbin/service? [05:13] ananke: the answer should contain the command of solaris which lists the status of all services [05:13] Manu` (i=Manu@61.84.169.34) joined #linuxhelp. [05:13] which fedora/rhel have, but slackware for example doesn't [05:13] ananke: sortof like /sbin/service --status-all [05:13] Jenna : there is no such thing. and your original question was wrong then, since there is no /etc/service [05:13] you could do /etc/init.d/* status, but that would possibly be a problem in some cases [05:13] Jenna, reading from the link you just pasted, maybe it's "svcs -a" ? =) [05:13] <_sho_> bonding, not binding [05:14] ananke: my bad. I apologize. I mean /sbin/service [05:14] Aldaron : svcs? never heard of that. which solaris release has it? [05:14] Aldaron: thats the problem the box doesnt have "svcs" thing [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:15] mean*/meant [05:15] p2p2 (i=chris@m.irchost.no) left irc: "[BX] The best part of waking up is BitchX in your cup" [05:16] ananke: Hey, I've never heard of that either, I'm a linux guy ;). But I like finding out stuff so I read the page Jenna gave me.. I tried to use Solaris once, but 9 was crappy on i386. Or I was crappy with it ;) [05:16] solaris is a pain until you at least install the gnu utils [05:16] Jenna, I'd try finding svc* [05:16] or sv* [05:16] i hate solaris [05:17] :P [05:17] again, i've never heard of svcs [05:17] Aldaron; tried that. none there [05:17] is that like cvs? [05:17] Jenna, I'd think your install is broken. Or you didn't look everywhere with find or something. Or Solaris changed between versions :P [05:18] shortlinggs (i=sessop@203.177.75.20) left irc: "thanks" [05:18] btw besides bias an irrational love for linux. isnt solaris a kinda baked verson of linux (linux being half baked) (dont get me wrong thou. I like linux) [05:18] but someone on a solaris channel would know much much more [05:19] Jenna : half baked version of linux? wtf are you talking about? [05:19] or irrationallove* [05:19] solaris is excellent at doing what it's supposed to do: run [05:19] lol [05:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:20] linux doesn't even compare when it comes to that [05:20] ananke: Im solaris n00b. and a linux novice. I just felt solaris has dont alot of stuff more rationally. [05:20] <_sho_> can anyone suggest a multiple interface inbound solution that doesnt involve round robin dns or bonding [05:20] now, on the other hand, linux has more bells and whistles, it is more user friendly, it does support wider range of hardware [05:20] Kinda, maybe. Although Solaris is originally totally different code. To my experience, Linux (Fedoras) is easier and more flexible than Solaris (9), albeit maybe a bit less stable and professional. Linux seemed like the more dynamic of the two.. [05:20] dont/done* [05:20] Jenna : you keep talking, yet you haven't said anything [05:20] Jenna : get to the point [05:21] _sho_: any luck in #bind ? [05:22] <_sho_> bind isnt relevant to this [05:22] solaris is a mature and stable os, with plenty of enterprise functionality. i don't get your 'half baked' comments [05:22] lemme ask like this : is there a single name or term for the phenomenon when you make every second row in a long table, appear in a slightly different colour ? [05:22] ananke: dude my point was origionaly a question. which somewhat has turned into a mindless bickering/flame kinda thing. Im done. [05:22] Jenna, I think Linux has a lot of the basics very solid and very rational. And it has lots of geeky bells and whistles and a community with momentum. I like the mix. [05:23] Jenna : next time don't call something 'half baked' if you don't want to entice that response [05:23] ;) [05:23] Aldaron: I love the community support of linux ppl. they seem more organized [05:23] <_sho_> pjv: im trying to have two inbound interfaces (hopefully with identical addresses) get passed in and out of the server [05:23] gnome still continues to be half-baked after N years ;) [05:23] ananke: easy there. we used to be friends. no ? [05:23] linux people more organized? hah. organization in linux? haha [05:24] <_sho_> bonding looks like it would be very effective, but i dont know how the cisco switch would handle me plugged in to it with identical macs/ips on different ports [05:24] <_sho_> round robin dns is a big no go, because of what would be required to set it up properly [05:24] Jenna : again, you're mixing in some kind of feelings/emotions crap into this. this isn't about being 'friends'. no such thing. quit thinking like a woman [05:24] your trying to load balance right? [05:24] <_sho_> yeah [05:24] Jenna: Maybe not organized, but at least you can find linux geeks on irc anytime ;) [05:24] <_sho_> its a yum repository for several hundred boxes [05:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:25] <_sho_> i have disk io under control [05:25] <_sho_> i just need to make sure i dont pack the pipes too bad [05:25] ananke: I was just refering to aggresive tone. I guess I've picked a wrong moment [05:25] Aldaron : yeah, the solaris geeks are busy making money :) [05:25] ananke, hehe :). [05:26] linux community is larger, thanks to the fact that linux has been so cheap for such a long time. sun doesn't have that luxury [05:27] Aldaron: talk about pedantic or uptigh ppl [05:27] Jenna, I know exactly what you mean [05:27] Jenna : people in the IT industry are pedantic. get used to it [05:28] CHodapp (n=hodapp@cpe-24-164-93-28.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:28] ananke: I guess after 20 years in this industry I should get used to it [05:28] it's about time [05:29] ananke: btw u could also use bit of loosing up urself [05:29] especially the sysadmin portion of the IT. if you're not meticulous about what you do, you will end up having problems [05:29] Action: daniel farts [05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:30] Jenna : you can't have your cake and eat it too [05:30] Manu (i=Manu@61.84.154.149) left irc: Connection timed out [05:31] ananke: dont talk about eating, while someone is farting. Feel like throwing up [05:31] either you want quality help, which involves asking precision questions and expectation of precise answers/details [rather than 'ohh no, is he mean to me by asking me that?' attitude], or you get people who screw around [05:31] you're confusing those direct/precise questions for some kind of personnal attacks [05:32] and it all spirals down from there [05:32] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [05:32] Im sorry the topic didn't say this was no n00b channel [05:32] Two suggestions: 1) always assume others to be friendly unless that's clearly impossible and 2) try to guess what other people mean when they're not exact. These should help us get along a whole lot better [05:33] swors (n=swors@61.170.237.241) joined #linuxhelp. [05:33] Jenna : again, you're mixing in some crap that's not necessary [05:33] Aldaron: guessing can lead to very wrong conclusions and even worse results [05:33] noob or no noob. doesn't matter. noob would be asked the same questions as an expert [05:34] except an expert may have enough experience to realize that the questions being asked are not some kind of witch hunting ritual. they're questions asked for the sole purpose of providing better help [05:34] Fiver: Guessing should lead to "Did you mean -blah-? If so, then -link-" or something ;) [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:35] Fiver: Not just "Syntax error - you're not precise. Rephrase." [05:35] Aldaron : for starters, we can't always guess, unless we have some basic idea of what the person wants. in this case, there wasn't enough info to go on [05:35] second, we don't always have the time to play 20 questions with everybody, and pulling info like teeth from a screaming patients [05:35] tehhh (i=pn@212.7.199.105) joined #linuxhelp. [05:36] tehhh (i=pn@212.7.199.105) left #linuxhelp. [05:36] realityCheck (n=mike@cpe-069-134-187-098.nc.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:36] Aldaron: you're thinking of specific examples. guessing doesn't always make things go better. and what ananke said, especially considering that many people are also working while trying to help others [05:36] and of course, to add to Fiver's most important point: guessing can result in very bad outcome [05:36] ananke: She's a girl, forbear with her as she has only two brains :( [05:37] <_sho_> pjv: you have any suggestion on it? [05:37] I think I've screwed myself. I've got a lvm partition with a physical volume on it. The pv doesn't consuem the entire partition but I can't seem to make the pv any larger (pvresize no implemented on my system). How do I grow the pv? [05:38] daniel : hehe. seriously though, sex makes no difference to me when it comes to irc. however, there is one big difference between women and men when it comes to this field [and many other fields]. women tend to take things too personally too quickly] [05:38] Fiver, you get to guess what other people mean with something a lot in this life ;), so whether I like it or not, I think I'll do better if I try. Surely it's good to make sure one's guess is right. [05:38] Action: Jenna agrees with Aldaron & appreciates his tone [05:38] ananke: dude stop being so robotic [05:38] Aldaron: keep it up Aldaron u've a good attitude/apptitude [05:38] danny stop being sexist [05:38] And, I see your points very well. Personally I don't answer at all if I don't have time [05:38] ananke: The problem with girls is that they don't like you to be robotic, I think. [05:39] realityCheck : uhmm, why not just create a second pv on the remaining space, and add it to the vg, then extend the lv? [05:39] <_sho_> hey, it was all the rave in the 80s [05:39] males appreciate to cut the chatter [05:39] daniel : exactly [05:39] Jenna : you picked this male dominated industry. so stop being so emotional [05:39] females sometimes appreciate to have chatter with no other reason ;). Both should adjust. [05:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:40] Jenna, been keeping it up for some time already :), thanks for appreciating it [05:41] ananke: pvcreate /dev/hda3 says it can't initialize a pv /dev/hda3 of volume group "VolGrp00" without -ff [05:41] Jenna : and for the last time, realize something simple: nobody hates you. i don't hate you. i'm not your friend either. we don't have to be 'friends' to discuss things. and no, i'm not out to get you [05:41] ananke: ur saying this field is like teliban of IT ? [05:41] realityCheck : does it say why? [05:41] and I'm worried that -ff will hose the currnet pv [05:41] Jenna : 'taliban'. and it's 'you're'. i said it's a male dominated industry [05:41] Jenna: Geez, you're resisting to get the point. [05:41] By the way, Linux people ask relatively good questions. At least compared to what I get on #math sometimes ;) [05:41] pshaggy (n=mike@nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:42] Aldaron : i think it varies. majority do ask good questions, but it's because they've been pounded over the head over time :) [05:42] daniel: I get the point 20-30 lines back. hes just pushing it [05:42] ananke: no it just says: Can't initialize physical volume "/dev/hda3" of volume group "VolGrp00" without -ff [05:42] realityCheck : ohh, i see. /dev/hda3 pv is already part of the VolGrp00 [05:42] Jenna: Obviously -- after your taliban comment -- not. [05:43] realityCheck : does pvscan show it? [05:43] daniel: Im stranger to all this. I've been studying aikido [05:43] Jenna : you talk about not wanting to start flame wars, yet with the comparison to taliban, you're achieving the complete opposite [05:43] lvm> pvscan PV /dev/hda3 VG VolGrp00 lvm2 [36.12 GB / 20.12 GB free] Total: 1 [36.12 GB] / in use: 1 [36.12 GB] / in no VG: 0 [0 ] [05:44] daniel: not stranger* [05:44] Jenna: What's aikido? [05:44] ananke: Hehe, maybe :). [05:44] daniel : martial arts form. think steven segall or something [05:44] o_O [05:44] realityCheck : so /dev/hda3 is already in use. why did you try to use pvcreate on it? [05:44] ananke: maybe Im just ivigorating ppls mind for good (so far it has worked thou) [05:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:45] Jenna : good? nothing good has come out of this so far, except yet another proof that you mix emotions with business, for no reason [05:45] hasn't* [05:46] okay had enough of it. I'll be civilized & gonna drop it [05:46] let me make it simple. i don't have to like you to help you. i don't have to hate you to refuse help. there, emotions are not involved with that [05:46] _sho_: i only read a little bit about it, sorry i can't help, i know you can have identical ip for two nics but going down to the mac you would have to flash it or use a software to change it. can get a little bit dirty, your router on the other should only recognise it through mac level though right, i'm a small fry with 4 p200 mghz boxes hehe, sorry i can't help _sho_ [05:46] Has anybody used arptables? It's not dropping packets even though the pcnt/count for the rule goes up and the rule is DROP. [05:46] What the heck does aikido have to do with this? :) [05:46] there is no spoon [05:46] ananke, a small amount of positive emotion in everything will only help [05:46] daniel : probably as much as half baked when describing an os, and so on [05:47] linuxgyro (n=kyle@65.169.28.109) joined #linuxhelp. [05:47] Fiver: there may be a fork :) [05:47] pjv: a spork! :) [05:47] hehe [05:47] sporks are cool [05:48] realityCheck : so, what's the answer? [05:48] Aldaron: that's a philosophy which cannot be proven. [05:48] love is in the air, and everywhere I look arouuund.. *sings* [05:49] hmm how can i make grep recognise the . as a "." as appose a regexp character i tried escaping but that makes no diff [05:49] TipTap : '.' [05:49] thanks ;-) [05:49] Humanoid (n=user@ppp-58.11.1.9.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: "Leaving" [05:49] nope [05:49] hope it works :) [05:49] still matches [05:49] hmm, lemme check [05:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:50] Nick change: m4n -> m4n_away [05:50] '\.' [05:50] there, it seems to work [05:50] yeh i just found that ;-) [05:51] thanks [05:51] Fiver: well, that's my personal experience. And I've no desire to prove every such thought anyway. Most of us like friendliness [05:52] ananke: I tried to pvcreate on /dev/hda3 because that is the only lvm partition I have [05:52] Aldaron : the issue at hand wasn't lack of friendliness. it was the perceived lack of friendliness [05:52] Aldaron; u would ask the person what the word "rude" means [05:53] realityCheck : but it's already in use. i told you, than rather than extending the existing pv, you can create an additional one [05:53] Aldaron: sure, friendliness is nice. I like it myself. The problem occurs when you come into a forum to ask a question and judge them based not on their level of helpfulness, but on their level of friendliness. [05:53] ananke: I completely agree on that. Yet, we could have helped it. [05:54] LnxSlck (n=Gijon3@alunos308.wifi.ipb.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [05:54] ananke: pvcreate demands a "physical volume path" and /dev/hda3 is my only lvm partition [05:54] Aldaron : how? by adding comments such as 'ohh, i ask you because i care?' [05:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [05:55] realityCheck : forget it. there must be a language barrier [05:55] why do you say that? [05:55] Action: Jenna goes back to read the log, (i.e. where she went wrong. other than half baked thing) [05:55] hello [05:55] realityCheck : because you keep repeating the same thing over and over, and you haven't read anything i said [05:56] ananke, heh, maybe we couldn't have, you can't fake it [05:57] There are a thousand ways to say one thing [05:57] ananke: I don't think that's an accurate assesment. I have read your response. You've asked me why I used pvcreate and I thought I answered that question [05:58] Tcl error [showCount]: can't read "gameList(#qt-order)": no such element in array [05:59] Jenna : and what exactly is /etc/service? considering it's not even a standard on all distros ananke: is that a trick question ? <- now tell me, who was friendly, and who was already on the defensive side [05:59] shortlinggs (i=sessop@203.177.75.20) joined #linuxhelp. [06:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:00] Writing user file... [06:00] Writing channel file... [06:00] realityCheck : uhmm, i think there is a breakdown in communication. you use pvcreate only once, on fresh physical volumes, before they contain any data. you said you didn't want to damage your existing data, that's why i keep asking 'why do you want to use pvcreate on that physical volume, when it's clearly in use' [06:00] pvresize isn't implemented on this system's lvm and I was asking how to reszie [06:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [06:01] my understanding was that I needed to add another pv and span the lv across the both of them [06:01] that doesn't answer the question why you tried to use pvcreate on the existing pv [06:01] that's exactly what i told you: create an additional pv, add it to the vg, then extend the lv [06:02] the reference was quite understandable what I was refering to. If ur not so perceptive it aint my fault. besides I never gave u attitude. the word the "arent we friends" was just to cool down things joking. rest is as u know history now [06:02] ananke, right. " create an additional pv" == pvcreate, yes? [06:02] Jenna : reference? which reference? [06:03] yeah reference to a command/utility which shows you the status or u services/deamons [06:03] pshaggy : yes, but only partially correct. he'd have to have a proper device first, such as an additional disk partition of lvm type, etc [06:03] or the services* [06:04] Jenna : no, it wasn't quite understandable. that's why the question about 'what exactly is /etc/service'. maybe it made sense in your head, but we don't read minds [06:04] so I can't resize my pv without another lvm partition even thought this pv doesn't consume the entire partition? [06:04] and you explained it much later [06:04] most of the ppl as u said in ur earlier chat are here to get help not give it. So Im not under any qualms about that either [06:04] realityCheck : i've never done pv resizing, but you can run in a lot of problems [06:04] so I'm basically screwed [06:04] realityCheck : uhmm, no, you're not. aren't you listening? here, i'll repeat it again [06:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:05] that's exactly what i told you: create an additional pv, add it to the vg, then extend the lv [06:05] ananke: forgive me for thinking of ppl in here to be reasonably intelligent [06:05] I cannot create a new pv on the existing lvm partition though, correct? [06:05] the ones who are intelegent are the ones not talking [06:05] Jenna : indeed. one would hope you could match the intelligence requirement [06:05] Jenna, intelligence isn't scalar ;) [06:05] realityCheck : no, because that lvm partition is the pv [06:06] uwe (n=uwe@83.244.79.43) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:06] realityCheck : you need to add an additional partition, then use pvcreate on that [06:06] realityCheck : lvm partition == pv == physical volume [06:06] so I am indeed screwed then. I have a single HD and 20G of wasted space on the LVM partition [06:06] funny how humanity has evolved, we talk instead of going ape shit. hooga booga [06:07] realityCheck : you need to add an additional partition, then use pvcreate on that. [06:07] yeah, we some of us can actually discuss things, rather than breaking down in tears [06:07] except I cannot create an additional partition because this drive is full [06:08] realityCheck : uhmm, i'm lost. you keep talking about 20G of wasted space. what wasted space? [06:08] here. let's put Jenna up to the 'intelligence' and 'reference' test [06:08] I think I've screwed myself. I've got a lvm partition with a physical volume on it. The pv doesn't consuem the entire [06:08] linuxgyro: u could have talked some sense into ananke like Aldaron. [06:08] partition but I can't seem to make the pv any larger (pvresize no implemented on my system). How do I grow the pv? [06:08] because I have a pv that is 20G smaller than the space I have alloted to the LVM partiont [06:09] Jenna : now, go figure out what realityCheck wants. you seem to be able to do mind reading [06:09] you have 60 seconds. go. ohh, and do it in the 'friendly' way [06:09] what is so confusing, ananke? [06:09] are you a native english speaker? [06:09] :D [06:09] realityCheck : take a wild guess [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:10] I'm guessing no [06:10] _X-Treme (n=spam@179.80-202-254.nextgentel.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:10] realityCheck: google [06:10] theturtle (i=theturtl@72.36.136.131) joined #linuxhelp. [06:10] #jenna i am here to give help not bash others [06:10] Jenna : ohh, c'mon, you gave up so easy [06:10] anyone know a quick small bandwidth/network meter thats not gui. and doesn't require reboots or some gay crap [06:10] linuxgyro: neither am I. [06:10] i just want to see input/output speed of my net adapter [06:11] realityCheck : it's kind of ironic. for a person who is not a native english speaker, i can spell better than you can [06:11] theturtle: I use iptraf myself [06:11] theturtle : iftop [06:11] k, Jenna is out. time for Aldaron [06:11] i got a list of net anilizers here [06:11] ill check to see which are gui [06:11] Aldaron : you figure out what realityCheck's situation and needs are. and do it with the 'positive' attitude [06:12] driftnet is non gui [06:13] realityCheck : post the results of: fdisk -l /dev/hda ; pvscan ; lvscan on pastebin.com [06:13] ananke: the situation is simple. I have a ~50G lvm parition w/ a 30G pv on it. I need to increase the size of the pv but cannot add another HD to the system. [06:13] realityCheck : maybe from that we can deduct [06:13] realityCheck: pvextend [06:13] after extending the partition with fdisk [06:13] er, listen to ananke :) [06:14] realityCheck :now we're talking about specifics. how did you manage to create a smaller pv within a partition? [06:14] netfarius: pvextend == "No such command pvextend" [06:14] driftnet [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:15] seriously. how did you manage that? unless you specifically told pvcreate to create something SMALLER than the available volume/partition size, that should have never happened [06:15] ananke: yes. I did that at install [06:15] and post those results [06:15] you specifically told it to use 30GB out of 50GB available? [06:15] I was under the impression I could resize it later [06:15] ananke: yes [06:15] shortlinggs (i=sessop@203.177.75.20) left irc: [06:15] wow [06:15] realityCheck: I'm afraid I'm into fdisk and quotas for everything I do with disks [06:16] btw my intelligence doesnt compare to realityCheck. [06:16] i didn't think any installer would be that crazy to give you that option [06:16] okay sorry about that. I need to drop it [06:16] now you see my situation... [06:16] Jenna: ? [06:16] does any one know if i do a vpn with dynamic ips is it stable [06:17] realityCheck: sorry cant be much of help there [06:17] realityCheck : damn, and i'm interested in figuring out the solution to this, since i use lvm on a daily basis [including the fun things like pvmove, etc]. however, i gotta run now, i got a seminar/interview to attend to [06:17] gonna be interviewing a cio candidate. if you're here in a couple hours, we can continue that [06:18] Jenna: I was asking about: btw my intelligence doesnt compare to realityCheck. [06:18] god help him [06:18] realityCheck: just kiding [06:18] Jenna : see, and now you're just being a bitch [06:18] I'm more confused than offended [06:19] realityCheck : in theory, 'pvresize /dev/hda3' should work [06:19] kimosabe: i assume that it is stable since it uses diffrant protical tocomplete it thus it shoould be stable [06:19] there u said it finally. uwere pissed off at some else [06:19] yes, however pvresize is not yet implemented on my version of LVM [06:19] realityCheck : ahh. it may be part of lvm2. what kernel do you have? [06:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:20] realityCheck: no offence intended either. [06:20] 2.6.9-27.EL [06:20] okay me gonna leave too. since ananke is chickining out [06:20] is it not easier to just use fdisk partition your drive out then use ext3 as the fs and if you need to resize you can with certian tools? [06:20] lol [06:20] Jenna : i'll assume that you're talking to me. no, i'm not pissed off. and you're still acting like a bitch for no reason [06:20] hehe [06:20] realityCheck : rpm -qa | grep lvm [06:21] linuxgyro : no, partitions are much harder in real life [06:21] acting like a female dog in heat? [06:21] love is in the air may be [06:21] ananke: and just for a second even a fraction think if ur not being one [06:21] lvm2-2.01.14-2.0.RHEL4 [06:22] Jenna : i'm not [06:22] anake: if you use multiple logical volumes then you use more space making the allocation table for each induvidual volume located on the disk [06:22] I've found that I seldom need to change my partitioning scheme. Then again, if I did, I'd probably buy a new disk or something ;). [06:22] ananke: well then neither am I [06:22] realityCheck : and you don't have pvresize, or it complains? [06:22] it says that it is not yet implemented [06:22] linuxgyro : bs. the overhead is negligible [06:22] realityCheck : vgdisplay, see what type it is [06:23] ananke: the overhead is quite a bit for smaller hard drives. [06:23] Aldaron: wise move [06:23] Format lvm2 Is that what you mean? [06:23] realityCheck : yes [06:23] linuxgyro : overhead of less than a few megs? [06:24] novem (n=novem@c-24-127-183-14.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:24] ananke: sometimes a few megs makes all the differance, until a short while ago all i had was a 500 mb hard disk [06:24] pjv, seriously, one thing that helped me often is have / and /var take little space, and split the remaining in half. /home and /home/mp3 or something ;). So I can usually copy mp3s on /home and have a big empty partition I can delete or reuse or whatever [06:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:25] Aldaron : lvm is like an electric screwdriver. you don't realize how useful it is, until you actually use it. [06:25] can anyone tell me how to view all mounted & unmounted hard disks? [06:25] partitioning [06:25] novem: fdisk -l [06:25] novem : fdisk -l [06:25] novem: or sfdisk -l [06:25] ananke: probably :). Maybe I'll take a look at it when I next time have a reason to do so on paid time ;) [06:25] linuxgyro : he has obviously more than a 500MB drive. thanks, but no thanks. [06:26] Aldaron : check it out. it allowes you to do things that you wouldn't think of before [06:26] thanks. [06:26] actually, a screwdriver/electric screwdriver is not even a good analogy. [06:27] nope.. I like manual screwing unless I've got dozens of screwings to do ;) [06:27] porky_scratching (n=chatzill@cpc2-derb5-5-0-cust108.leic.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:27] I don't like screwing, I prefer cuddling. [06:27] ananke: it is easier to comprehend the /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3 then lvms [06:28] Zider: Once again it's the combination of the two that's optimal =) [06:28] Aldaron: nah, I prefer no screwing at all. [06:28] ananke: it may just be my personal preference, but i use partitions and never been hapier [06:29] linuxgyro : whatever you're used to is easier. bad argument [06:29] m-00kie (i=3704558@host-58-200-9-69.midco.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:29] ananke: lets hear your argument hen [06:29] m-00kie (i=3704558@host-58-200-9-69.midco.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [06:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:30] linuxgyro : for what? [06:30] i'm not the one trying to discredit something [06:30] ananke: using logical volumes over partitions [06:31] linuxgyro : there are tons of arguments for that. however, i'm not claiming that lvm is the only solution. you on the other hand are trying hard to claim that partitions are better [06:31] somehow an argument against LVM from someone who just upgraded from a 500MB hard drive doesn't seem to hold much weight. Maybe it's just me.. :) [06:31] i can list arguments for lvm for some time [06:31] Fiver : exactly :) [06:31] linuxgyro: Chill man, both work. It's the solutions to some specific problems that might be easier with one or the other. Don't learn LVM unless you need it. [06:32] all: i am just trying to speculate why people use lvm, i nver used it before and am wondering why people use it rather than partiioning [06:32] Aldaron: see what I mean [06:32] linuxgyro : i see. so you never used something, and you claim that the OTHER solution is better [06:33] Hey, let's fight over lilo vs grub! [06:33] Aldaron: forget that, PXE boot ;b [06:33] Aldaron : only if we used one. we can't argue if we used both :) [06:33] ananke: i nver claimed that partions are easier i asked "is it not easier to just use fdisk partition your drive out then use ext3 as the fs and if you need to resize you can with certian tools?" [06:34] ananke, hehe :) [06:34] linuxgyro : and to that i answered 'no'. then you went on saying that you lose space [06:34] i wsa trying to understand a "no" [06:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:35] linuxgyro: that's true. and he answered your question. and then shortly after that you said: ananke: it is easier to comprehend the /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3 then lvms [06:35] linuxgyro : resizing partitions is never safe, and it has a high failure rate. add to the fact that it's impossible to do it on live systems, you are constrained by a lot of variables such as the amount of partition types, it's just a big mess [06:36] true [06:36] linuxgyro: To my knowledge resizing conventional partitions is often not easy. Say, you want to resize a partition that's stuck between two parititions that can't be changed or whatever. In my impression of lvm, you get some flexibility and easiness traditional partitions definitely lack, by putting in some learning and extra work [06:36] does it not hold true for lvms? [06:36] linuxgyro : no. [06:37] you can resize lvms? [06:37] linuxgyro : yes [06:37] =D [06:37] i resize filesystems within lvm every week [06:37] hmmm interesting [06:37] I seldom find resizing to be worth the effort. I'm not willing to do it without full backups, and once I have full backups, it's easier and safer just to fdisk the damn thing anyway. :) I'm sure there are situations where that's not the case, but I haven't encountered them yet. [06:37] novem (n=novem@c-24-127-183-14.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:38] or like this past weekend, i migrated filesystems from one type of a storage device to another, total of 2TB of data, on a system that was running and the filesystems were being in use at all times [06:38] speaking of non-lvm situations, that is. [06:38] in fact, the filesystems were migrated from one part of the building to another :) [06:38] anyway, time for the seminar [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:41] Jenna (n=cherryRe@207.226.175.2) left irc: "ooh look at me, I so pedantic, Im so in control of my feelings, Im so Mr. know it all. I kiss my butt all the time. go get a [06:43] :D [06:44] I'm thinking about how I should arrange my drives.. I'd prefer to have them as one big disk, but I don't wanna risk losing everything if one of the drives goes kaput.. and don't wanna waste space on raid5 either.. :P [06:44] right now I'm sticking to separate disks tho.. and some symlinks.. :P [06:44] ok [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:45] The word you're looking for is "Backup" [06:45] daniel: on what? everything in backup-way is bloody expensive.. [06:45] For my desktop, I always go the one-partition way (except for boot sometimes), because everything else had always been a hassle [06:45] Zider: 50 DVDs cost 20 Euros [06:46] Dunno how much space/how often you need to backup [06:46] I have around 720GB right now [06:46] what you can do is backup your drive then tar it up real good [06:47] it will take quite a while to tar it up [06:47] that is to zip up the tar [06:48] back it up to where? [06:48] put it in your home dir or something like that then zip it and opy it to dvds or to another external drive [06:49] I am (planning to) backup stuff to a server of mine. It sits in a different house and has a huge empty harddisk for the purpose.. [06:49] put 700GB in my home dir..? [06:49] thats just an example [06:49] Dave-az (n=Dave-az@207-114-156-28.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:49] put it where you wnt it, then copy it to another drive or o disks [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:50] Then again, I'm planning to backup what's really important - which is whatever I've written / recorded myself. No point in backing up all the games / pr0n ;) [06:50] I don't have any disks except the total of 720GB in my ws.. [06:50] and 30GB in the laptop :P [06:50] Dave-az (n=Dave-az@207-114-156-28.gen.twtelecom.net) left #linuxhelp. [06:50] can'texactly buy 700GB extra hdd just for backup.. [06:51] i see what you mean [06:51] Zider: Do you really have 700 GB of important stuff on your ws? [06:51] me, id copy all the cofig files and everything from /usr [06:52] Aldaron: depends on what you mean by important.. loads of stuff I've downloaded over the years.. [06:52] I wouldn't really back up an operating system (other than config files).. It's so easy to reinstall, and actually have a newer version too while I'm at it [06:53] Zider: Well, I've got stuff I've written myself, pictures I've taken on travels, of my girlfriend, recordings of me singing/playing guitar.. I'd rather lose my laptop than what's stored in it. That kind of stuff is what I want to backup.. ;) [06:53] Aldaron: well, I do have a 4GB photo gallery.. but that's already burned on dvd.. [06:54] Stuff I've downloaded I can always download again if I still feel I need it [06:54] exactly [06:54] Aldaron: I have a crappy connection and lots of stuff that is hard or impossible to find on the net.. [06:54] zider, I don't ;) [06:54] copy the stuff thats hard to get to dvds [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [06:55] I mean, I don't have my pics on a dvd. I should really clean my harddrives, decide what needs to be backed up and then do it reasonably [06:55] and any large files as well [06:55] brb [06:55] i personally dont backup -> i should but i dont have the time or the need for it [06:55] Zider: Yeah, it's different when you've got 8Mbps dl :) [06:55] i got dialup....... [06:57] ouch! Where do you live? [06:58] a place where i cant even get cable isdn, dsl, direct from staelite or anything [06:58] Not in Japan or "western" Europe, that's for sure ;) [06:59] america [06:59] Excuse me my slight national pride :) [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:00] i live in the boonies [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:02] what distro you got? [07:02] fedora at work, slackware at home and on servers [07:02] i got gentoo [07:03] so you like that netpkg tool? [07:03] I'm afraid I'm not familiar with it [07:03] realityCheck (n=mike@cpe-069-134-187-098.nc.res.rr.com) left #linuxhelp. [07:04] is that not what slack usres use to download packages from the net to update their computer? [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:05] Maybe it's not in the slackware distribution itself? I keep a local mirror of slackware updates (as I have three slack servers sitting side by side) and a script to tell me what packages to upgradepkg.. [07:06] It's maybe every other month that there's an upgrade I need to install [07:07] hmm cool [07:07] is use emerge [07:08] it dls all the updates i need plus the dependancies and install them automatically (when i execute it that is) [07:08] yeah. I'd think gentoo does a lot of downloading, and sometimes big files, to update? [07:09] grepper (n=robert@216.239.78.138) left irc: Connection timed out [07:09] KoRn3 (n=lala@81-86-34-60.dsl.pipex.com) joined #linuxhelp. [07:09] yea updates everyday, but i only update only once a moth if that cuz it takes a long ass time to update and install [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:10] i normally fetch on one konsole page and install in another [07:10] grepper (n=robert@ip216-239-86-208.vif.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:10] heck i havent even updated the kernel from the original relase [07:11] hehe :). Then again, there's no need, is there? [07:11] 2.6.11-gentoo-r3 [07:11] nope [07:11] im happy as long as it works [07:11] if it gets too outdated ill just dl the newest cds [07:11] on a dialup? [07:11] yea [07:12] it is normally 2 disks [07:12] bov (n=bov@156.99.37.60) joined #linuxhelp. [07:12] Sounds like more than the 1-2 hours I'm accustomed to [07:12] 600 mb each [07:12] about 1.5 weeks strait [07:12] ouch! [07:12] mayby longer [07:12] Have someone snailmail them to you, will be so much faster :) [07:12] yea......... [07:13] i switched to linux since i didnt want to udate windows all the time....... [07:13] cedega_bf (n=cedega@dslb-084-058-163-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:13] I have a SCSI tape drive and auto tape loader on ID 10 and 11, after loading the st module /proc/scsi/scsi still only shows the Adaptec SCSI controller [07:14] you need to mount them [07:14] mount /dev/sda1 [07:14] linuxgyro: gentoo is probably not the best thing if you don't want to update often :). Make sure you only install security updates [07:14] jk about the updating [07:14] linuxgyro: dmesg isnt showing the tape drives, and I have no /dev/stX devices showing up [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:15] its sd [07:15] linuxgyro: that only sd devices are my hard drives [07:17] how many sd devices do you have mounted already? [07:18] /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 it's a SCSI RAID-5 [07:18] dmesg only shows sda [07:18] ok [07:18] the SCSI controller see's the tape drive and auto loader on ID 10 and 11 though [07:19] ok i have no experence with scsi on linux other than my usb disk [07:19] im sorry [07:19] linuxgyro: k, no worries [07:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:20] bov (n=bov@156.99.37.60) left #linuxhelp. [07:20] i gots to go get my truck and car inspected [07:20] bbl [07:20] pjv (n=pjv@61.68.137.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:21] mutew (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) joined #linuxhelp. [07:21] Aldaron: well, I have 4,5Mbit.. even tho I should have only 2.. but still, downloading dvd's takes a bloody long time, especially when you can't get in to the 10Mbit-hubs, and bittorrent sucks like it does.. :P [07:22] is there a spell checker for latex documents? [07:23] Zider: huh? Bittorrent has always filled all my bandwidth [07:23] as has ftp, tho [07:23] Aldaron: I get maybe 30k if I'm lucky [07:23] :( [07:23] I rarely download the "new" and "popular" crap tho [07:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:25] cd- (n=chris@213.121.151.190) joined #linuxhelp. [07:25] which is the only thing you can get good speed with [07:26] I always download the "new" and "popular" linux distributions =D [07:27] swors (n=swors@61.170.237.241) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:27] hentai anime donloads the fastest for me ;-) [07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [07:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:31] aeronadix (n=nadeem@d141-189-121.home.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:32] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:35] theturtle (i=theturtl@72.36.136.131) left irc: [07:35] swors (n=swors@61.170.237.241) joined #linuxhelp. [07:36] shortlinggs (i=sessop@203.177.75.20) joined #linuxhelp. [07:37] is ispconfig secure? [07:37] dushkin (n=dushkin@0x555154cf.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [07:37] btw [07:37] Hello. I'm trying to set up a SCSI scanner, and I'm not sure where to begin. [07:38] what is the use of raid 1? if it is raid 1 then it means if the hard disk1 has a physical problem then hd2 will be automatically used, right? [07:39] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) joined #linuxhelp. [07:39] I cat /proc/scsi/scsi and I can't see any devices. I modprobed sg and still. Any ideas? [07:39] leshaste (n=lesshast@circe.cs.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Client Quit [07:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [07:40] dushkin: 2.6 kernel does NOT have that proc entry; use dmesg or tail /var/log/syslog [07:41] gnubien (n=g@140.245.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [07:42] swors (n=swors@61.170.237.241) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:43] zaba (n=frog@dslb-084-056-081-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:44] gnubien (n=g@140.245.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. 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[08:02] regeya (n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:03] Sirex (n=sirex@i-195-137-85-199.freedom2surf.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:03] lo all. [08:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [08:05] lo Sirex [08:05] danfg (n=danf@200.164.171.178) joined #linuxhelp. [08:05] i have a problem. im using xorg, a nvidia card (with drivers) and twinview. the setup works 100% fine for a few minutes, then the second monitor enters a dark period, and then after a few more mins goes so dark you can barely read it (but the image is there for sure). any ideas of where to look ? [08:05] in kde power saving for monitors is disabled. [08:07] Sirex: have you tried swapping the monitor to see if it's not the actual monitor that is broken? [08:08] Voidy (n=Voidy@212.228-136-217.adsl-fix.skynet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [08:08] its find in windows, so ought to be ok [08:08] fine* [08:08] Iam8up|lappy (n=user@cpe-71-65-112-38.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:08] Iam8up|lpy|dsc (n=user@cpe-71-65-112-38.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:08] ok this is wierd, i found some files in a /home subdirectory that i'm pretty sure i didn't put there. maybe the system put them there, i don't know. there's a kde subdirectory with Autostart subdir and .directory inside it. I don't kde installed, i'm using gnome, what's going on? [08:09] Sirex: ah, hm.. same refresh rates? [08:09] Kernel_Core (i=Kernel_C@217.218.80.209) joined #linuxhelp. [08:09] no. [08:09] ones at 1024x768@85, other 1024x768 at 75 [08:09] I mean, same refresh as in windows [08:09] yes. same setup as windows [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/25 e/- I/-] [08:10] hi guys , how do I change " ulimit -n 3000" permanently ?! [08:10] Kernel_Core: put it in a boot script [08:10] other stuff like .bash_history, .bash_logout, .bashrc, .emacs, .gtkrc, etc. what are these files doing there? [08:10] good [08:10] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:10] danfg: they are created first time you use those apps [08:11] Sirex: hm, strange.. never seen anything like that.. :/ [08:11] Zider: what about the kde thing, i'm not using kde [08:11] danfg: maybe you have some kde application? [08:11] i know :-/ using twinview is there no way to force power options or DPMS settings for the second monitor ? [08:11] Sirex: you have the displays :0.0 and :0.1 ? [08:11] really annoying beause its fine for the first hour or so ;p [08:12] no sure. how do you mean ? [08:12] Sirex: I mean separate displays rather than a stretched desktop [08:12] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@mail.responsum.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:12] hmmmm ;p [08:13] yes, seperate. i think [08:13] Sirex: try xset -display :0.1 -dpms [08:13] its not one massive taskbar accross both. but i can move windows from one to the other [08:14] connection to 0.1 refused by server; unable to open display 0.1 [08:14] Iam8up|lpy|dsc (n=user@cpe-71-65-112-38.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:14] wont take 0.0 either. or 0 [08:14] LnxSlck (n=Gijon3@alunos308.wifi.ipb.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:14] with a : before? [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [08:15] yea [08:15] Zider: Okey I rebooted my linux after that when I issue , ulimit -a , I get the default 1024 for max files [08:15] tryed :0.1 :0.0 :0 :1 none of em [08:16] Sirex: hum.. :0 should work at least, that's the main display.. :P [08:16] Kernel_Core: hmz.. did you put it in the right boot script? maybe the script isn't launched at boot? [08:16] x is running currently. would that bork it ? [08:17] Zider: it launches ( /etc/rc.local) [08:17] Sirex: without x running you definitely don't have a :0 display ;) [08:17] Kernel_Core: hm, weird.. [08:18] Sirex: try echo $DISPLAY [08:18] cedega_bf (n=cedega@dslb-084-058-163-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) left #linuxhelp ("Verlassend"). [08:18] empty. [08:18] hum [08:18] in x? [08:18] ah. doh [08:18] hang on ;p [08:18] :D [08:19] yea, was on a tty. [08:19] lemmi try that dpms thing again inside a vty [08:19] mhm [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [08:20] Zider: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/x4733.html [08:20] when i do xset -display :1 +dpms (or -dpms) it sits there, munches on a sandwich, and thinks about it. -- dosnt do anything. but it dont throw an error either [08:20] ...... /root/.bashrc should be edited .... [08:21] then after 30 seconds says unable to open :1 [08:21] Sirex: what about :0.1 then? [08:21] :1 shouldn't be available [08:21] nah 0.1 immediatly throws an error [08:22] Sirex: and :0.0 ? [08:22] it does that one fine [08:23] looks like you only have one big display then [08:23] novem (n=novem@c-24-127-183-14.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:23] that might be a twinview hack. [08:23] but yea, looks like it [08:23] can anyone tell me how to change the password for my gnome keyring manager in 2.14? [08:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [08:25] netfiend (n=req@87.126.46.196) joined #linuxhelp. [08:25] Sirex: what does echo $DISPLAY say in x? [08:26] 0.0 [08:26] k [08:26] just checking out the xorg log to see if theres anything useful [08:26] yeah [08:26] only thing in the config file i didnt understand was "coolbits" "1" and "useedidfreqs" [08:26] I've got separate displays myself [08:27] coolbits is for overclocking and stuff iirc [08:27] yea, ive done it on matrox and xinerama before. never on a nvivia though [08:27] useedidfreqs - i THINK tells it to get the info on the freq's from the monitor. [08:27] Not sure what 'Coolbits' does [08:28] yeps [08:28] only thing in log is "open /dev/apm_bios failed" no such file or directory [08:29] I get the same here [08:29] Kernel_Core (i=Kernel_C@217.218.80.209) left irc: [08:29] Action: Sirex watches that idea sail away. 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[09:59] hey [10:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:00] I am trying to compile kernel modules, can anyone guide me? [10:00] make module_install [10:00] (i think) :P [10:00] been ages since ive had tomess with the kernel [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:01] StevenR_ (n=foo@82-41-30-69.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Hey, I wonder what this button is f....." [10:05] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [10:05] Tcl error in script for 'timer2333194': [10:05] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:05] Iam8up|lappy (n=user@rrcs-24-106-115-222.central.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:09] i can help with that [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:10] lol. [10:11] Dr_Willis: ubuntu makes ya super lazy. [10:11] yea [10:11] Yep. [10:11] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@dsl253-000-034.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:12] Sucks when things work good enough - that you domnt have to twiddle witht he system and you can get real work done! [10:12] The boss expects you to actually DO work then! [10:12] Dr_Willis: lol, dont you sell cars for a living? [10:12] the normal way to do it is to seach for all .o & .ao modules then edit the /etc/modules/kernel-2.6 and add those files [10:12] what does that have to do with WORK? [10:13] I workin a factory [10:13] :P [10:13] lol [10:13] ahhh, for chrysler/dodge/jeep [10:13] i dont even touch a computer at work [10:13] other then fill in my overtime [10:13] I work for DaimlerChrysler. we make the transmissions that go in the cars/trucks/so forth. [10:13] im unemployed....... [10:14] lol, how's that pay? [10:14] dang good [10:14] tyler (i=1001@cm143.omega18.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Client Quit [10:14] :P [10:14] Chrysler did really well last year. [10:14] relatively well, i mean. [10:14] but since Gm is having troubles the company is trying to cut OUR benifits as well [10:14] even thio we made a profit. [10:14] zaba (n=frog@dslb-084-056-122-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:14] Then they screwed us over on the profit shareing check/Benifit. [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:15] 4 yrs ago we had less 'profit' but got a bigger profit sharing check. [10:15] Dr_Willis: benefits schemenefits, you either have your own IRA or you've screwed yourself over. [10:16] you should always have enough ina SEPERATE savings account for one years worth of primary health insurance. [10:16] 401K [10:16] thats doing VERY well for me so far.. [10:17] id rather the company ditch the profit-shareing stuff. and match the 401k funds. [10:17] Dr_Willis: anyone who isnt taking adv of their companies 401k is a bloody moron imho. [10:17] i max mine out about July of eveyr year. [10:17] :) [10:17] i have a gtk problem. I can help-me ?? "Gtk-WARNING **: Could not find the icon 'gnome-fs-home'. The 'hicolor' theme [10:17] help ?? [10:17] its just a warning :P [10:17] is somthing not working? [10:18] no [10:18] how do correcting this warning ?? [10:19] looks like the icon them you are using is missing an icon [10:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:20] tyler (i=1001@cm143.omega18.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [10:21] why is it that an avi file cannot be played .. only thing that appears is....rainbow colored screen [10:22] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@dsl253-000-034.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: [10:23] tyler: you don't have the right codec installed. [10:23] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [10:24] regeya (n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:24] ok, so I downloaded pwc.tar for my webcam. I also installed kernel-sources-2.6.8. Then I went into pwc dir and did make. But it didn't work. *** No rule to make target `modules_install'. Stop. [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:25] ramiro_ (n=ramiro@livre.funcitec.rct-sc.br) joined #linuxhelp. [10:25] hello [10:26] aeronadix: why such an old kernel? [10:26] is there a way to reboot a remote machine through kermit? like, by sending the ctrl+alt+del escape sequence? or is that sequence only available through the keyboard [10:26] Skunky, what is a decent kernel now? [10:26] ramiro_: only available locally. shutdown -r now to reboot. [10:26] aeronadix: ummmmm, 2.6.15.6 ? [10:27] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@dsl253-000-034.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:28] Dr_Willis it is locate this icon and post this on local folder is recognized ?? [10:28] Skunky, Yeah, I need to learn this kernel stuff, in debian cache I think I have the latest [10:28] apedro, no idea what you are saying. :p i dont worry about warnings much. [10:29] Skunky: but I don't have access to a console, the system is stuck. [10:29] drelle_work (n=drelle@69-18-56-148.lisco.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:29] frozen [10:29] setuid (i=japh@gnu-designs.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:30] Anyone using webalizer here? [10:30] Skunky: aren't you supposed to be banned? [10:30] I'm trying to figure out how to get it to log and link to the full search string in the output reports. [10:30] Dr_Willis ok thnaks !! [10:32] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit|wrk [10:33] Skunky, what codec should i have? [10:33] aeronadix: ah. I dunno debian. the "modules_install" error is probably because it expects you to have the kernel source tree of a built kernel, rather than a virgin one.. (Meaning you need to at least make a config for it) [10:34] tyler: the one that covers the avi that you're trying to watch... divx? xvid? If you're running gentoo, you emerge win32codecs.. I dunno what you need for other distros tho. [10:34] im on slackware... [10:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:36] Skunky, thanks [10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:42] tangent3 (n=tangent@cm197.epsilon5.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:44] linuxgyro (n=kyle@65.169.28.109) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:45] setuid (i=japh@gnu-designs.com) left #linuxhelp ("Client Exiting"). [10:46] M_A_K (n=M_A_K@greenville.k12.ny.us) joined #linuxhelp. [10:47] In Freebsd I can set the NIC configuration at boot by adding a line or two to /etc/rc.conf. What is the linux equivalent? [10:48] M_A_K: that really depends on what distro you're running. [10:48] gentoo and ubuntu [10:49] basically I want to set the ip netmask ssid etc of my wireless card at boot up. [10:49] For some reason, when I rebooted, the settings were lost. [10:49] M_A_K: gentoo you edit /etc/conf.d/net [10:49] Thanks. [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:51] Hmmm that file is blank [10:51] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12-222-81-183.client.insightBB.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [10:54] M_A_K: you could pass the ip= argument to the kernel [10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/25 e/- I/-] [10:55] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@dsl253-000-034.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: [10:55] caplink811-log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-088-112.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:57] m-00kie (i=3704558@host-58-200-9-69.midco.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:57] m-00kie (i=3704558@host-58-200-9-69.midco.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:58] Nick change: ramiro_ -> caldo_de_cana [11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/25 e/- I/-] [11:00] Writing user file... [11:00] Writing channel file... [11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [11:02] laban (n=laban@c-456a72d5.017-57-6b73642.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [11:02] Hello [11:02] Nick change: laban -> Laban [11:03] TipTap (n=jon@noc.mistral.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:03] I'm migrating to Linux from XP and I'm having some issues when copying data from the NTFS drive to the new reiserFS drive. [11:03] The modes won't reset the way I want it. [11:04] modes? [11:04] chmod modes. [11:04] There are no chmod modes on NTFS :) [11:04] just reset them after copying? [11:04] yo amrit [11:04] daniel: Know, but there are on reiser. [11:04] Laban: Then correct them ;) [11:04] chmod -R [11:04] amrit|wrk: Yeah, I guess that will be the way out. [11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/25 e/- I/-] [11:05] sup daniel [11:05] Or find /mnt/foo -type f -exec chmod 666 '{}' ';'; find /mnt/foo -type d -exec chmod 777 '{}' ';' [11:05] amrit|wrk: Nothing special [11:05] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@dsl253-000-034.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:06] Tried to set the modes with umask when mounting, but that didn't help. Tried using --no-preserve with cp, but they still won't get new modes. [11:06] daniel: Thanks, I'll just run that instead. [11:08] die-Sel (n=nnscript@host81-158-180-135.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )" [11:09] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-084-189.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/25 e/- I/-] [11:10] mutew (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] johnzorn (n=jz@modemcable117.9-81-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [11:10] Nick change: caplink811-log -> caplink811_log [11:11] mutew (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) joined #linuxhelp. [11:11] And for something completely different; any idea on how I can put xmms in the tray? :) [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [11:16] M_A_K (n=M_A_K@greenville.k12.ny.us) left #linuxhelp ("Kopete 0.10.4 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/25 e/- I/-] [11:24] DeVol (n=DeVol@dD577F6B8.access.telenet.be) joined #linuxhelp. [11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [11:26] hedpe (n=hedpe@CMU-140790.WV.CC.cmu.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [11:26] I use kernel 2.6.x ... i need to use the 2.4.x kernel for a module, is there any easy way to import a 2.6.x config to a 2.4.x config to atleast keep some of my base settings? [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/25 e/- I/-] [11:31] hedpe: no, it's not recommended. it'd be better to find a popular distro's default 2.4 config and go based on that.. [11:33] hedpe: are you sure there's not a 2.6 version of the module out there somewhere? [11:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/133 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/133 b/25 e/- I/-] [11:37] ant384 (n=zen@unaffiliated/ant384) joined #linuxhelp. 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[12:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [12:25] Hey. Quick question: I've got a file with a bunch of URLs for which I'd like to wget each of them... how would I do that in 1 command? Like cat file.txt | wget ... ?? [12:25] thx [12:27] for i in `cat file.txt`; do wget $i; done [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [12:30] thx [12:30] raven_ (n=raven@modemcable190.237-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "BitchX: need we say more?" [12:31] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@dsl253-000-034.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:31] poe-t (n=poe-t@212.24.44.247) left #linuxhelp. [12:32] hackmiker (n=misu@86.34.77.137) left irc: "Leaving" [12:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/25 e/- I/-] [12:35] poningru (n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:36] ism (n=ism@cablea1ucu.cybercable.net.mx) joined #linuxhelp. [12:36] porky_scratching (n=chatzill@cpc2-derb5-5-0-cust108.leic.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [12:36] redduck666 (n=yos@BSN-210-248-159.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:37] what's a good program for editing .pdf files? [12:37] through a shh is there a way to check mem and processor usage? [12:37] top [12:37] porky_scratching: free -m, top [12:37] k thnx [12:38] ism: many exist [12:39] if you want something gui openoffice can do it [12:39] some pdfs are write protected though [12:39] ok, it says here i have new mail, how do i read it? [12:39] where [12:39] ism: thats not easy. You can unpack and repack them rather than edit them. [12:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [12:40] danfg: a mail program? mutt [12:40] how can i possibli have new mail? [12:40] terminal mail? [12:40] yeah, i just logged in and it said i had new mail [12:40] danfg: 'mutt' is good as suggests, but: your question seems to imply you are a bit new.. [12:40] danfg: so perhaps a GUI mail program may do better for you. [12:41] danfg: what are you running? [12:41] watch its probably windows [12:41] danfg: as to having mail, the system will periodically send email to inform of status changes etc. [12:41] Blissex: i'm a n00b. i just want to see what mail is this that linux just told me i have. i don't want to send/receive mail through this computer [12:41] Laban (n=laban@c-456a72d5.017-57-6b73642.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:41] oh ok [12:42] for a moment there i thought someone hacked into my computer to tell me he just erased everything and have a nice day lol [12:42] Pkunk (n=Pkunkage@darklord.epitomeofdarkness.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:42] hmm LogWatch [12:42] danfg: what are you running? [12:42] what distro [12:43] poningru: centos 3 [12:43] danfg: logwatch will send you emails like mad if its not configured correctly [12:43] hmm how do i stop logwatch? [12:43] oooooh u dont want to do that [12:43] :@) [12:44] have you ever wondered why your system is running wrong or anything like that? [12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [12:45] well, some files popped unexpectedly where they shouldn't so paranoid that i am i became suspicious [12:46] cat /var/log/messages [12:46] thinks like .bash_* .emacs (i haven't run emacs) a .kde directory (i'm not even using kde, it's not installed), so i was going nuts for a while here [12:49] wildwrk (n=jawildma@65.43.29.90) joined #linuxhelp. [12:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [12:50] thanks for the help u guys [12:54] NiskuP (n=randy@216.123.239.131) joined #linuxhelp. [12:54] Good day all. [12:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [12:55] hello [12:57] Is it quite normal for a network to slow down during operations like sending email. I can ping google at 45 ms but when I send mail (or some other net ops) I get 1100 ms. This occurs on the other machines on my network. Local access seems unaffected. [12:58] hmm it seems kinda odd [12:58] are you sending mail to a local computer [12:59] linuxgyro. Nope. When I send email from my machine and go to another machine and ping google I get up to 1100 ms. Some thing as on my machine. [13:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:00] Writing user file... [13:00] Writing channel file... [13:00] It seems to slow all my access to the net from all machines. Local access seems unaffected. [13:00] NiskuP: depends on what kinda network you have [13:00] for example if its something like pppoe that might be normal [13:00] might being the keyword [13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [13:01] but that kinda latency just doesnt sound right [13:01] Nick change: mako-sam1 -> mako-sama [13:01] print out your /var/log/messages and see if anything strage pops out [13:02] poningru: I have a DSL connection through Telus (Edmonton Alberta Canada). I have 30+ machines on the local lan going through 2 Intel Switches. [13:02] df00z (n=df00z@70-96-214-253.dsl1-pixley.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:02] df00z (n=df00z@70-96-214-253.dsl1-pixley.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) left #linuxhelp. [13:03] df00z (n=df00z@70-96-214-253.dsl1-pixley.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:03] df00z (n=df00z@70-96-214-253.dsl1-pixley.roc.ny.frontiernet.net) left #linuxhelp. [13:03] Averiano (n=xcv@43.dialup.ctinet.ru) joined #linuxhelp. [13:04] kimosabe (n=kimosabe@dsl-201-129-75-28.prod-infinitum.com.mx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] switches or routing switches [13:04] poningru: Switches. [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:05] Íà õóé ñâèò÷è! [13:05] you ok, Averiano? [13:06] Averiano: ?? ??? ??????! [13:06] he is using russian font I am pretty sure [13:06] !ru [13:06] err [13:07] poningru: I thought it might be any outgoing traffic but I'm sending a 400 meg file via ftp and my ping to google is still 45 ms. [13:07] oh hmm [13:07] poningru: Now sedning an email with a 4 meg attachment and my ping is 700 ms. ??? [13:07] and thats for all the computers in your network? [13:07] kittenbot (n=ribbon@cpc1-bolt6-6-1-cust145.manc.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:08] Yes! From Russia with love! [13:08] riiiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttt................. [13:08] poningru: Correct. [13:09] my guess is that it slows the whole network down because it does not want collisions to occur. [13:09] usn (n=usn@p54B59E44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] the switch? [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:10] Learn russian, my dear friends. [13:10] one common type is where it tells the other network computers that its sending and since its sending a large file more on the network is affected than with a smaller file where it is done before all the computers start having more problems [13:11] linuxgyro: Anything I can do there? [13:11] Averiano: I cant even see it [13:11] NiskuP: yes. [13:11] Why? [13:11] Blissex: Please tell. [13:12] NiskuP: look at 'sabishape' on http://WWW/sabi.co.UK/ [13:12] not much you can probably either get routers for your network so that your whole network is not affected or you can use the computer you connect to the internet with to send the data [13:13] NiskuP: that under the assumption that your gateway is running Linux. If not, bad news. But many gateway sw has got similar traffic shaping abilities. [13:13] Giph (n=evrspawn@S010600a0245e1276.lb.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[13:17] hallo [13:17] I need a little help making all my usbdrives mountable by anyone [13:17] sorry [13:17] writeable [13:17] NiskuP: the basic problem is that when full throttle, ADSL lines become effectively half duplex, so the _only_ solution is to keep the line at never more than 90-95% of maximum. [13:17] sure [13:17] what do i do? [13:17] Cisco 1700 Supplied from Telus and then a Dlink dI-604 connected to it for NAT. [13:17] ok make a new directory where you want the device to be mounted [13:18] ok [13:18] well [13:18] Averiano (n=xcv@43.dialup.ctinet.ru) left #linuxhelp. [13:18] its already mnted [13:18] like /mnt/thumb_drive [13:18] ok you will have to edit the permissions on the directory [13:18] fstab? [13:18] I installed ubuntu onmy notebook. But during the installation at installing hotplug subsystem there was no reaktion anymore... [13:18] 2 ways of doing it [13:18] just give me the quickest [13:19] ok open the file manager as root [13:19] painkiler, sudo chmod painkiler:painkiller /mnt/thumb_drive [13:19] ? [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:20] username? [13:20] NiskuP: you could replace the Dlink with a Linux machine... [13:20] what? [13:21] NiskuP: the CISCO probably has some traffic shaping, but knowing CISCO a bit it is going to be hard to configure. [13:21] Blissex: So true. I have SuSE10 and Ubuntu here. I must try an experiment though. I'm going to connect directly to the Cisco router and try everything out that way, bypassing the Dlink. [13:21] NiskuP: the problem is not the Dlink, it is the buffering on the ADSL line... [13:22] Blisses: Also being supplied by Telus and cannot even get into it. [13:22] slashdot (n=vidarlo@unaffiliated/slashdot) left irc: "leaving" [13:22] NiskuP: then easiest thing is to use Linux machine as NAT and traffic shaping server. [13:22] true [13:23] painkiler (n=painkile@203-206-69-187.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [13:23] Blissex: Thanks for the tips I appreciate it. Thanks to linuxgyro and poningru as well. [13:23] ism (n=ism@cablea1ucu.cybercable.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" [13:23] np [13:24] np [13:24] sorry cant be of more help [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:25] Thanks again guys. Talk at ya later. [13:25] NiskuP (n=randy@216.123.239.131) left irc: "Leaving" [13:27] if you got a shhd running how common is it to expect failed lohins from unknown IPs? [13:28] doctorwhite (n=doctorwh@adsl-71-136-3-65.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[13:39] its fairly common [13:39] i personally have had it happen at least once ever week or so [13:39] porky_scratching: 18 per hour, on one of my servers [13:39] wow [13:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:40] well im guessing that you have broadband [13:42] chuckyp (n=histo@ppp-70-227-0-137.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Adios" [13:42] ^wolf^ (n=wolf@p54907ACD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:43] 3 IPs per day [13:43] Well I got my first yesterday after 3 days of fresh install, 3 failed attemps s from same ip but not had anymore [13:43] doctorwhite (n=doctorwh@adsl-71-136-3-65.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:44] WizCraker (n=WizCrake@208-254-125-133.plateautel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:44] if you see that someone has tryed, then a god practice is to reconnect with a differant ip [13:44] and to strengthen your password [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:45] rather than just a word like "password" mayby add a fe numbers and a jumble of letters: "q6r38h7hgs8" [13:45] How did you know I got a weak password egh lol [13:45] linux_noob (n=icechat5@ppp-69-148-182-167.dialup.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:45] redduck666 (n=yos@BSN-210-248-159.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] omg thats my password [13:46] yup Igot a stong passord 20 characters mixed upper lower and numbers no dictionary words [13:46] its just an example, not like anyone actually uses password [13:47] then unless they find loopholes you should be fine....... [13:48] but i would not give them the chance to try and find it [13:48] when sending to a tftp server is it possible to use sub directories? [13:49] port knocker seems like a good idea [13:49] yea [13:49] it does [13:49] WizCraker: are you saying on your side or remote? [13:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:50] linuxgyro, remote. [13:51] like copy stuff from your computer to remote subdirectories within the one you connected to? [13:51] porky_scratching: moving activity onto non-standard ports helps a little.. sure that is security by obscurity but there will be less to read about in the logs [13:51] correct. [13:52] then you can as long as you log in as a user on the remote and that they have access to it [13:53] so port knocker and say move sshd to port 2006 should be ok [13:54] something allong that lines [13:54] hmm [13:54] apedro (n=apedro@to-217-129-249-250.netvisao.pt) left irc: Client Quit [13:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [13:55] RickX (n=Characte@66-46.26-24.se.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:55] or what you could do is find a way to make it seem that they logged in as root (another account) where all they can do is sit there and say i got in but cant even execute commands [13:55] I'm trying to backup a cisco routers configuration files and push it to a tftp server. I'm not able to login as a user to the tftp server from the router. [13:55] ok [13:56] if permissions are set to "everyone" then it should be ok [13:56] yah I been looking at honey pot or a tarpit of some kind [13:56] sounds fun [13:56] hmm, okay I'll try and set the permissions and see what happens. [13:57] thanks linuxgyro for the help. [13:57] np [13:57] ill be here [13:58] i was gonna do that to a guy who imed me saying that he "hacked" my computer and said my ip was . . . . and i was like you know they dont go above 255 and he gave me like 456.34.345.98 [13:59] i was gonna make an account to do that but i never got the chance [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:00] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) left irc: "Leaving" [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:01] I only just started using linux cpl weeks ago I wanted to run a snort-mysql box on CentOS server, and so far its well worth the pain [14:01] just backtracking now learning some the linux stuff [14:03] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[14:29] I will ask somewhere else [14:29] therealjohn1 (n=root@67-58-198-197.amtelecom.net) left #linuxhelp. [14:29] hmm i was about to answer [14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [14:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [14:34] ClamAV? [14:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [14:35] ya [14:35] but he left [14:35] hes not logged on [14:36] well his nick is 'therealjohn' [14:36] so ... ;) [14:36] tyler (i=1001@cm143.omega18.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Connection timed out [14:37] gm144 (n=gm@d150-235-113.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[14:49] but yeah dude most probably yes you can [14:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/25 e/- I/-] [14:50] if linux supports the filesystem, sure [14:50] zider how should i go about it ??? [14:50] just hang the hardrive on my machine and try to mount [14:51] kimosabe: depends on what filesystem it is, but something like "mount -t /dev/yourdrive /some/mount/point [14:51] when novell boots it seems to be bootinbg linux it calls caldera [14:51] " [14:51] oh well obviously [14:51] then yes [14:52] kimosabe: yes just hookup your computer and go to a terminal and use the mount command [14:52] /rel [14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/130 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/130 b/25 e/- I/-] [14:59] spiekey (n=kvirc@p5080A826.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [14:59] hello! [15:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/25 e/- I/-] [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:00] to see whats inside a initrd file i need to unzip it and mount it as loop, right? [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:02] gunzip [15:02] but yes. [15:02] never used initrd myself, so I dunno ;) [15:04] gunzip < initrd-2.6.13-15.8-xen.gz |cpio -i --make-directories [15:04] ah! you need cpio, too :) [15:04] nice to know [15:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/25 e/- I/-] [15:06] spiekey: er, no, you don't need cpio at all.. it's as simple as gunzip blah.gz; mount blah /mnt/tmp -o loop [15:06] Action: amrit|wrk does it all the time [15:08] mrkookz (i=mrkookz@203.57.7.3) joined #linuxhelp. [15:09] amrit|wrk: no, its not ;) [15:09] .. [15:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [15:10] spiekey:/tmp/test # gunzip initrd-2.6.13-15.8-xen.gz [15:10] spiekey:/tmp/test # mount -o loop initrd-2.6.13-15.8-xen /media/dvdram/ [15:10] mount: you must specify the filesystem type [15:11] run 'file' on it? [15:11] sure! [15:11] initrd-2.6.13-15.8-xen: ASCII cpio archive (SVR4 with no CRC) [15:11] hah, nice. then afaik that's not a legit initrd.. maybe xen requires something different? [15:12] amrit|wrk: same error with the other initrd [15:12] i think its suse :P [15:12] ah, ok [15:12] WhyvasLT (n=poop@CPE0080c81b484e-CM0011e6ee04e6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:12] how do you run .pl files?? [15:13] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [15:13] Tcl error in script for 'timer2342630': [15:13] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [15:13] through perl [15:13] no one here that speaks romanian, i guess ? [15:13] i know it's pearl [15:13] WhyvasLT: 1) chmod +x blah.pl; ./blah.pl or 2) perl blah.pl [15:13] it is not pearl! 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[16:16] Jake_: if there is something like that there should be either '/usr/bin/sendmail' or '/usr/lib/sendmail' even if just as links [16:17] Jake_: or '/usr/sbin/sendmail' [16:17] i just noticed there is a /usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail [16:17] but it doesnt seem to send much [16:17] Jake_: that probably is the real 'sendmail' [16:17] kimosabe (n=kimosabe@dsl-201-129-75-28.prod-infinitum.com.mx) left irc: [16:18] hmmm? [16:18] Jake_: but with that name it will not be used. [16:18] so in effect, it has been turned off? [16:18] Blissex (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/132 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/132 b/25 e/- I/-] [16:22] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-102-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:22] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [16:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/131 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/131 b/25 e/- I/-] [16:26] netbots: error - update check recipients 'YourNick' are invalid. 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[16:34] ok [16:34] RoeyInABox, I'll try to take a look at the docs in a little while [16:34] I looked the manpage but could not find anything [16:34] sethk: then I will look too [16:34] RoeyInABox, the delays we can do with a bit of scripting [16:34] RoeyInABox: use pavuk to ignore robots, i don't think wget can [16:34] is it wget necessarily or curl? [16:34] pavuk, ok. [16:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/134 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/134 b/25 e/- I/-] [16:35] rue_mohr (n=not@h24-207-96-50.cst.dccnet.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:35] tript (n=triptbil@cpe-24-242-17-143.elp.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:37] under what conditions can a user say su - and not be prompted for a password? [16:37] group root dosn't do it [16:38] rue_mohr, you can set up ssh to use public/private keys and avoid the password [16:38] rue_mohr, I've never done it with su, though, only with ssh to the box (even if I'm already on the box) [16:38] rue_mohr, sudo can do that, if you configure it for that behavior [16:38] linuxgyro (n=kyle@65.173.21.147) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:38] rue_mohr, sudo can be configured to not prompt for passwords for specific programs, or even for all [16:39] Bac9 (n=Bac9@ip216-239-78-149.vif.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:39] hmm [16:39] There's comserv -- does that sound right blissex? [16:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [16:40] a local key is a little more complex than I was aiming for, but works... [16:40] rue_mohr, might be a simpler way I don't know about [16:41] natasdrol (n=natasdro@dsl092-233-216.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:41] sethk, that sounds potentially dangerous... setting sudo up to never prompt for passwords... [16:41] banyan, oh, yes, it is [16:41] banyan, but he didn't ask if it is safe, he asked if it is possible :) [16:41] but hey we're all adults. [16:42] banyan (n=banyan@S010600000a000001.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "I was here but now I'm gone. I left my name to turn you on!" [16:42] silverblade (n=silverbl@cust77-dsl53.idnet.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:44] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [16:44] Tcl error in script for 'timer2344803': [16:44] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [16:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/137 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/137 b/25 e/- I/-] [16:45] ugarit (n=ugarit@216-15-34-7.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:45] natasdrol (n=natasdro@dsl092-233-216.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left #linuxhelp. [16:45] unix_infidel (n=blue@adsl-68-94-13-83.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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[16:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [16:55] daquino: vnc? [16:55] buncha variations of vnc... [16:55] no the client used to look at a windows based termnial server [16:55] its not vnc based [16:55] its like rafrb or somethin [16:56] rdc? [16:56] yes! [16:56] i think rafrb is something else it might be someones name on irc lol [16:56] kde has a nice version of it. [16:56] rafb.net/paste [16:57] :P [16:57] oya [16:57] lol [16:57] yes i nkow i clicked on it nothing came up so i gues its just an icon and the exe is not installed [16:59] is ebay.com slow to load up pages sometimes for anyone else? [16:59] aedigital (n=aedigita@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined #linuxhelp. [17:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [17:00] Writing user file... [17:00] Writing channel file... [17:00] heatxsink (n=jmioph@c-24-7-127-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [17:02] well its a very intense site [17:02] heh, 1.7ghz pM w/ 768M ram should be more than enough. [17:03] and i've got 150K on downloads....should be fine. [17:04] poningru (n=poningru@pool-72-64-213-212.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [17:07] hedpe (n=hedpe@128.237.231.220) joined #linuxhelp. [17:07] i went from a 2.6 kernel to 2.4 kernel, when i boot it says "VFS: Cannot open root device 'sda4' ... Please append a correct "root=" boot option... Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs" ...I know for a fact /dev/sda4 is my root filesystem, and i know that I enabled the filesystem support in the kernel (reiserfs)... any ideas? [17:08] hedpe_ (n=hedpe@128.237.231.220) joined #linuxhelp. [17:08] hedpe (n=hedpe@128.237.231.220) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] sorry, my inet died, any clues? [17:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [17:11] chico_marx (n=chico@200.165.236.187) joined #linuxhelp. [17:14] silverblade (n=silverbl@cust77-dsl53.idnet.net) left irc: "They're coming to take me away!" [17:14] hello. i'm trying to use ftp, i've installed 2 clients already, they work just fine, but for some reason i can't use mput . i can use put , but when i use 'mput /whatever/*' it recognises the files in /whatever and prompts for each one. but when i say YES , it tells me the file does not exists. not very nice... [17:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [17:29] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [17:29] if i were to alias another ip address to the same nic, how would i get named to listen on that new ip? [17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [17:31] uniplex (i=0kmF7gbB@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) joined #linuxhelp. [17:31] anyone know how to get mpg123 to make a .au file? [17:32] I kiiep getting Illegal Audio-MPEG-Header errors when trying to convert mp3 to wav [17:32] keep* [17:33] use sox [17:33] ok thx [17:33] er, wav ? [17:33] 'cdrecord accepts wav? [17:33] you said ".au" [17:34] and wav [17:34] mpg123 -w out.wav in.mp3 ? [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/140 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/140 b/25 e/- I/-] [17:35] chico_marx (n=chico@200.165.236.187) left irc: "gtkBitchX: the fresh-maker!" [17:35] mog123 -s -w file.mp3 > file.wav [17:35] mpg* [17:37] or: sox in.mp3 out.wav [17:37] rather use out.au [17:37] you tried my mpg123 command above ? [17:37] does you mpg123 command work? [17:38] of course [17:38] I never paste commands without testing them :) [17:39] anyone know how to set up websvn ? [17:39] Illegal Audio-MPEG-Header [17:39] what does file say ? 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[17:53] what could the problem be, my keyboard worked perfect in kernel 2.6, i just compiled a 2.4 kernel and my keyboard freezes when booting [17:53] mutew (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) joined #linuxhelp. [17:54] what keyboard do you have? [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/141 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/141 b/25 e/- I/-] [17:55] Dell keyboard [17:55] usb or ps2? [17:55] usb [17:56] maybe usb is not enabled [17:56] then you need to add a feature in the kernel [17:56] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-69-149-40-81.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:56] i'll look, thanks for the suggestion [17:56] in the kernel lok for ehci and a few others in input devices [17:57] that enables usb support for keyboard and mouse [17:58] that should fix your problem [18:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/25 e/- I/-] [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:01] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:02] when you say "input devices", do you mean "input core supprt" [18:02] because Input core support was not supported, and neither were its suboptions keyboard and mouse [18:03] Manu` (i=Manu@61.84.154.30) left irc: Connection timed out [18:03] yea [18:03] ok cool [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/142 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/142 b/25 e/- I/-] [18:06] palomer (n=palomer@MTL-ppp-147097.qc.sympatico.ca) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [18:08] Azzkicker (i=Azzkicke@c-24-13-205-82.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:08] WillySilly (n=WillySil@c-24-23-145-194.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:09] HOW TO: Boot Windows XP on Intel Based Mac's *Instructions Inside* [18:09] HOW TO: http://www.steaknbj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83 [18:09] HOW TO: Boot Windows XP on Intel Based Mac's *Instructions Inside* [18:09] HOW TO: http://www.steaknbj.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83 [18:09] Azzkicker (i=Azzkicke@c-24-13-205-82.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left #linuxhelp. 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[21:55] I forget the name of my nvc program is it something like rdc [22:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/136 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/136 b/25 e/- I/-] [22:00] Writing user file... [22:00] Writing channel file... [22:00] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-69-149-40-81.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [22:02] daniel_ (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) joined #linuxhelp. [22:03] litage (n=nick@203.220.55.70) joined #linuxhelp. [22:03] unix_infidel (n=blue@adsl-68-94-13-83.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:04] unix_infidel (n=blue@adsl-68-94-13-83.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [22:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/139 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/139 b/25 e/- I/-] [22:08] tyler (i=1001@cm213.omega17.maxonline.com.sg) left irc: Client Quit [22:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [22:13] anyone understand what the -t option does to rsync? [22:13] and what does -a mean...it's archive mode, but how is that different? [22:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/138 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/138 b/25 e/- I/-] [22:15] I'd guess it saves permissions, ownership, etc. [22:15] wouldn't know off the top of my head about t [22:16] Lazydog (n=Lazydog@dynamic-acs-24-154-13-41.zoominternet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:16] daniel (i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:17] regeya (n=shane@dialup-4.159.176.22.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:17] -t says it preserves times. seems kinda obvious, no? [22:18] -a says it's the same as -rlptgoD [22:18] course this is all in the man page... [22:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/135 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/135 b/25 e/- I/-] [22:22] linux_noob (n=icechat5@ppp-69-148-182-167.dialup.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:22] Jenna (n=cherryRe@209.8.233.14) joined #linuxhelp. [22:23] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-146-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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