[00:00] Writing user file... [00:00] Writing channel file... [00:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [00:01] Have you tried different boot options? [00:03] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-131-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:04] danfg (n=danf@200141123182.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: [00:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/107 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/107 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:10] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [00:10] Tcl error in script for 'timer111484': [00:10] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [00:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/107 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/107 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:24] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [00:24] he's goine [00:24] gone [00:24] nlight (n=nlight@85.187.188.178) left irc: "Language is the source of great misunderstandings." [00:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/106 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/106 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:27] kernel20 (n=kernel20@203.160.223.26) left irc: [00:29] AzianFlu (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/106 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/106 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:32] nlight (n=nlight@85.187.188.178) joined #linuxhelp. [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/107 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/107 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:35] Nick change: amrit -> amrit|zzz [00:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/107 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/107 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:50] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [00:50] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-131-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/106 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/106 b/26 e/- I/-] [00:59] Romster3 (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-aea76c0a961abd92) joined #linuxhelp. [00:59] keter_ (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/108 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/108 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:00] Writing user file... [01:00] Writing channel file... [01:00] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-131-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [01:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:05] Norky (n=dan@milton.ocsl.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [01:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:18] Romster2 (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-a6f28e44afca1012) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:22] Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [01:22] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [01:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/108 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/108 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:25] Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [01:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [01:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:36] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [01:36] Simkin (n=Simkin@zz150077.cipherkey.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:36] TheSimkin (n=Simkin@zz150077.cipherkey.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:41] nate_a (n=nate@c-66-229-210-187.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:41] nathaniel (n=nate@c-66-229-210-187.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:42] AzianFlu_ (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:46] munzir (n=munzir@213.184.164.90) joined #linuxhelp. [01:47] Sonderblade (n=muh@host-213.131.147.169.addr.tdcsong.se) joined #linuxhelp. [01:48] Hi, I downloaded http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20060411/dapper-dvd-amd64.iso and it gave me a root prompt after this error: kernel direct mapping tables upto ffff810100000000 @ .... can't access tty; job control turned off. [01:48] mohsin (n=mohsin@80.77.12.2) joined #linuxhelp. [01:48] any thing I can do so I don't need to download another image? [01:48] hi [01:48] cyberhasse (n=hasse@c-6f3ae055.152-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #linuxhelp. [01:48] munzir: #ubuntu is of course the best place to ask ubuntu specific questions [01:49] spike: yes I did but didn't receive an answer. I thought may be some one here knows [01:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:50] how can i start gaim with gnome automatically [01:50] nlight (n=nlight@85.187.188.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:51] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [01:51] bMotion: ALERT! Bailed in bMotionInsertString with /is away: %% (created /is away: i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$i am the magic horse(£(£$%%) (was changing %% for i am the magic horse(£(£$&) [01:51] Tcl error in script for 'timer112709': [01:51] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [01:51] i m using fc4 [01:52] TipTap (n=jon@noc.mistral.net) joined #linuxhelp. [01:52] heya TipTap ;) [01:52] hey spike [01:52] i forwarded the email on for you [01:54] mohsin: gnome has a startup menu somewhere [01:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [01:56] Viking667 (i=viking@203.184.22.99) joined #linuxhelp. [01:56] Evening, y'all. [01:56] i didn't find any startup menu [01:56] Anyone do much Motif programming here? [01:58] AzianFlu (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:00] Writing user file... [02:00] Writing channel file... [02:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [02:01] AzianFlu_ (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [02:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:10] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [02:12] mohsin: may be System | Preferences | Sessions | Startup Programs [02:13] mohsin: I am using kde but it should be something like this in gnome [02:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:16] mohsin: you can check this for example http://ubuntuguide.org/#runprogramsstartupgnome [02:16] mohsin: ubuntuguide rocks! [02:18] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-131-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:19] It does? Good. It's about time there was something decent. [02:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:21] mohsin (n=mohsin@80.77.12.2) left irc: "Leaving" [02:25] netbots: error - update check recipients 'YourNick' are invalid. [02:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:30] Viking667 (i=viking@203.184.22.99) left irc: "Second star to the right, and straight on until morning" [02:34] DarthYawg (n=darthyaw@149.9.0.21) joined #linuxhelp. [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:35] syntrx_ (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [02:35] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:35] Nick change: syntrx_ -> syntrx [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:45] ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined #linuxhelp. [02:47] Yawgmoth7 (n=darthyaw@tor/session/external/x-5b23f4141c56a644) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:49] LordKahless (n=kahless@66-215-34-159.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [02:52] anyone here who compiles their own kernel? [02:52] Yeah, plenty. [02:52] if you select Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/K8 as ur processor type while configing your kernel [02:52] does that mean you are running 64bit? or is itstill 32 bit? [02:53] im trying to get a decent level of optimization [02:54] but im dual booting a seperate distro fully 64bit, i have a few issues with a fully 64bit distro atm, so i want this to be on my 32 bit [02:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:00] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:00] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [03:01] blahdeblah (n=paulgear@203-206-75-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [03:01] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [03:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:26] Last message repeated 4 time(s). [03:26] ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Connection timed out [03:27] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:28] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [03:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [03:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:30] Romster (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-a1a4936540a15c7d) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:35] munzir (n=munzir@213.184.164.90) left #linuxhelp ("Ex-Chat"). [03:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:50] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [03:50] slackmagic (n=soldier@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "*burps*" [03:54] moon_lander (n=moon_lan@80.240.208.66) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [03:56] Romster3 (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-aea76c0a961abd92) left irc: "Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand" [03:59] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [04:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/107 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/107 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:00] Writing user file... [04:00] Writing channel file... [04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [04:01] cyberhasse (n=hasse@c-6f3ae055.152-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Lämnar" [04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/106 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/106 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:06] Nate_Grey (n=byte@63.119.82.41) joined #linuxhelp. [04:06] usn_work (n=usn@p54B5A12D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [04:07] Nick change: mako-sam1 -> mako-sama [04:07] Romster (i=tor@tor/session/external/x-aedfb1972897cd71) joined #linuxhelp. [04:09] Nick change: keter_ -> keter [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:10] dury (n=dury@55.Red-217-127-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:10] LordKahless (n=kahless@66-215-34-159.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:10] spike (n=spike@unaffiliated/spike) left irc: "gone" [04:13] mds\ (i=b0red@dhcp-129-64-73-143.bernmarc.brandeis.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [04:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:15] moon_lander (n=moon_lan@80.240.208.66) joined #linuxhelp. [04:17] [530] (n=who_me@84.16.194.50) joined #linuxhelp. [04:17] Nick change: usn_work -> usn [04:18] Nick change: usn -> usn_work [04:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:20] MegaByte (i=1000@20158216177.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [04:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:27] is there any way to make cron.daily tasks run when the system is idle, instead of at 6:20ish every morning whether im busy or not? [04:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [04:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:30] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-131-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:31] pome (n=pome@87.194.61.139) joined #linuxhelp. [04:32] MegaByte (i=1000@20158216177.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [04:32] Hi guys, is it possible to remove words in a default ispell dictionary? [04:34] joemauch_ (n=joe@00104bc8bd59.click-network.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:34] joemauch (n=joe@00104bc8bd59.click-network.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:35] muteW (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) joined #linuxhelp. [04:37] Romster (i=tor@tor/session/external/x-aedfb1972897cd71) left irc: Client Quit [04:39] gm152 (n=glen@d150-235-113.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [04:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:47] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:47] sendro (n=sendro@CPE-61-9-152-203.vic.bigpond.net.au) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [04:49] gnubien (n=e@13.147.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [04:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:54] mds\ (i=b0red@dhcp-129-64-73-143.bernmarc.brandeis.edu) left irc: "" [04:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [04:56] dury (n=dury@55.Red-217-127-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:57] neuron (n=nightm4r@86.105.203.19) joined #linuxhelp. [04:57] hey [04:58] is there any linux yahoo chat client that supports the latest yahoo messenger file transfer protocol? [04:59] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-131-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:00] Writing user file... [05:00] Writing channel file... [05:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [05:03] gm152 (n=glen@d150-235-113.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:08] LinuxGueast (n=kvirc@c-212-031-167-202.cust.thalamus.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:10] LinuxGueast (n=kvirc@c-212-031-167-202.cust.thalamus.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:11] [530] (n=who_me@84.16.194.50) left #linuxhelp. [05:12] any ideeas? [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:27] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [05:27] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:27] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:28] whats the best linux music player? [05:28] What's the best car? [05:29] But personally, my favourite is amarok. If it wouldn't' crash that often. [05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:33] heh, xmms works for me, but its a bit too simple, winamp rocks [05:33] i hate xmms skinns [05:33] skins [05:34] If you think winamp rocks, have a look at amarok. [05:34] neuron: xmms can do all the 1.x and 2.x skins of winamp [05:34] and yes, amarok is what winamp wants to be ;) [05:34] Hi RichiH. [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:35] Nice to meet you. [05:35] though if you value skins that much, you might be in for disappointment [05:35] daniel: and you [05:35] i`m not into skins, i love the default xmms skin [05:35] i hate the preference window [05:36] RichiH: wow [05:36] Action: RichiH has not even seen winamp in at least a year, so no idea what it looks like, these days [05:36] winamp suxz.. amarok rules :) [05:37] RichiH: It's even able to play movies nowadays [05:37] Jenna (n=cherryRe@207.226.175.9) joined #linuxhelp. [05:37] is there any linux yahoo chat client that supports the latest yahoo messenger file transfer protocol? [05:38] kopete [05:38] winamp is able to burn/rip cds too :D [05:38] but it suxz.. thake a look at the first part of the name.. it tells it all :P [05:38] yesh, youre right [05:39] Yeah, you don't have this "this-doesn't-belong-to-a-music-player-app"-features with amarok [05:39] Or well, it actually can open k3b from the context-menu [05:39] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@user-0cdv2kk.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:39] Iam8up|lpy|dsc (n=iam8up@cpe-24-210-253-66.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:41] daniel: yah, i know [05:41] daniel: has been able to do that for years [05:42] daniel: which is why i have to re-set it back to vlc or mplayer for the less computerversatile, sometimes [05:42] daniel: and amarok can rip your cds [05:43] though you could just use the audiocd:/ ioslave from konqueror [05:43] which really is better [05:44] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:44] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:45] damn [05:45] kopete realy does suck [05:45] heh [05:45] There's also gaim. [05:45] Dunno about `latest protocol' though [05:46] i use gaim most of the time [05:46] its not supported [05:47] the people who use yahoo messenger for linux see a message sating that i`m using a old version of yahoo messenger and the cand send files to me [05:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:54] ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined #linuxhelp. [05:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [05:55] gtme (n=eric@ip114.131.45.216.suscom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:00] Writing user file... [06:00] Writing channel file... [06:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [06:01] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@cpe-65-172-233-232.sanbrunocable.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:02] muteW (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:08] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:10] muteW (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) joined #linuxhelp. [06:10] neuron (n=nightm4r@86.105.203.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:17] ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:19] muteW (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) left irc: "Exeunt muteW" [06:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:30] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [06:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [06:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:37] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [06:37] hmm i got something weird happening here,, ifconfig -a should show me the ip for all interfaces right? [06:38] yea [06:38] mine isnt. it only shows inetv6 add: "HEX" for all interfaces [06:38] fucked up your computer is [06:39] even for the card that internett is connected to [06:39] and the internet still actually works? [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:40] yes [06:40] cant you se [06:40] :P [06:40] You could be using another computer.. :) [06:40] hehe.. why is that? [06:40] its so weird.. [06:41] Well, if my Linux is fucked up, I'll use my laptop to come to irc and get help [06:42] Did it work before? Did anything peculiar happen between then and now? [06:42] (and does "ifconfig" without -a work?) [06:42] same stuff.. [06:42] exept sd0 is showing up [06:42] isnt [06:43] weird.. i'll try restart the dhcp client [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:47] Jenna (n=cherryRe@207.226.175.9) left irc: [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:51] Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [06:52] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:52] ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) joined #linuxhelp. [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [06:55] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:57] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:03] lesshaste (n=lesshast@circe.cs.bris.ac.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [07:04] what do I set CVSROOT to if it is :ext:user@lesshaste.plus.com:/home/lesshaste/REPOSITORY in wincvs? [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:05] AzianFlu (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:06] AzianFlu_ (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:06] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:07] AzianFlu_ (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [07:07] Romster (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-6ff65fd9ac7a97b8) joined #linuxhelp. [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:16] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:16] inv_arp[work] (i=junya@adsl-11-225-195.mia.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:16] L|NUX (n=linux@202.5.145.58) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:23] deego (n=user@63.126.179.162) joined #linuxhelp. [07:24] spiekey (n=kvirc@p50808D68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [07:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:25] hello! [07:25] has anyone done some root encryption with cryptsetup yet? [07:26] i could need a hand here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120091 [07:26] i dont know how to set up grub in order to boot it correctly [07:27] You may need to have a non-encrypted boot partition and a initrd [07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [07:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:30] daniel: i think they keep the /boot there [07:31] but what is going to be my root hd(x,x) device and what my kernel root=x option? [07:32] Tell me your partition names [07:32] In /dev/hdxx format. [07:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:38] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) joined #linuxhelp. [07:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:41] . /dev/sdb1 is my root encrypted and mapped to /dev/mapper/root [07:41] . /dev/sda2 is my boot [07:41] . /dev/sda1 my "old" root [07:42] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:43] i exspected it to be: root hd(hd0,1) and kernel root=/dev/mapper/root [07:43] Nick change: gdb_ -> gdb [07:44] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) joined #linuxhelp. [07:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:45] daniel: what do you think? [07:45] hmm... [07:45] I actually never fully understood the initrd configuration stuff :) [07:46] hehe [07:46] doesnt matter as long as you know how to use it/set it up :) [07:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [07:55] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:55] Noboru (n=Noboru@58.66.107.121) left irc: "Leaving" [08:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:00] Writing user file... [08:00] Writing channel file... [08:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [08:02] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@mail.responsum.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:03] MegaByte (i=1000@20158169102.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined #linuxhelp. [08:04] yoyo [08:04] do you remember of any song of a guy that comes back to his hometown after a long time, and talks about a woman and her baby? [08:04] gotta go, cya [08:04] spiekey (n=kvirc@p50808D68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "init 6" [08:04] MegaByte: in the channel..? [08:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:05] Zider: in the channel what? I don't get what you mean [08:05] MegaByte: in the channel #linuxhelp? [08:06] did someone here make it? [08:06] Zider: No, I asked here because I'm always here [08:06] ah [08:06] and in case any of you remember the name [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:11] OHMYGOD [08:11] I found it! [08:12] cipherz (n=lj@0x55516cd2.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:12] hello [08:12] MegaByte: what's the name? [08:12] I have some problems with TVOut and matroxfb [08:13] Zider: Photograph, from Nickelback [08:13] hm, never heard.. [08:13] tried following the guide in the mplayer docs, but there is no tv output at all.. have double checked my cables several times cant figure out whats wrong [08:13] Zider: It's... simply beautiful and makes me cry? [08:13] MegaByte: oki [08:14] Zider: Do you have Limewire installed? [08:14] MegaByte: nope [08:14] Zider: What distro do you use? [08:14] MegaByte: gentoo [08:14] Zider: Does Gentoo support rpm? [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:15] if I install rpm yes, I suppose [08:15] Zider: All right :D [08:15] Then try limewire [08:15] it's just great [08:15] no it's not :P [08:15] Zider: www.limewire.com, free version [08:15] I had slimewire once.. [08:16] Zider: Really? When? [08:16] one of the crappiest system I've used [08:16] System? [08:16] file sharing system [08:16] Limewire is not a system :P [08:16] oh [08:16] ok [08:16] It isn't a file sharing system either [08:16] or app [08:16] whatever you wanna call it ;P [08:16] lol [08:17] Zider: What trouble did you have with it? [08:17] it was ugly, slow and could never find anything I wanted [08:17] Zider: ? Weird... I mostly find the songs I want [08:17] Limewire excels in songs and videoclips only [08:17] I rarely download music [08:18] Zider: I see, what do you usually seek? [08:18] movies [08:18] Oh... true, Limewire isn't good for downloading movies [08:18] especially not dvd [08:18] Zider: you should try Bittorrents for huge files [08:19] I use bittorrent, but then I rarely get the whole things down [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:20] Aw, true... [08:20] espresso (n=espresso@adsl-69-231-160-88.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:20] What do you usually use for seeking movies? [08:21] I try bittorrent first because that gives best speeds, then DC.. [08:21] or I rent them and rip myself :P [08:21] Weird, Bittorrent uses the same system than Azureus does, it shouldn't matter [08:22] azureus is a bittorrent client [08:22] duh ;) [08:22] So is Bittorrent [08:22] unix_infidel (n=blue@adsl-68-94-9-39.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:22] Bittorent is both a system and a client [08:22] duh [08:22] :) [08:22] yes well, I mean the system and not the client :P [08:23] Zider: I tought you use the Bittorrent client as your own bittorrent client [08:23] pome (n=pome@87.194.61.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:23] http://www.bittorrent.com/ [08:23] no, I use azureus [08:23] irvken (n=sean@82-32-96-117.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:24] when you download movies, you're downloading COMMUNISM [08:24] (a friendly message from the MPAA) [08:24] syntrx: Whee! [08:24] Too bad for MPAA [08:24] yep ;) [08:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:25] Action: syntrx resumes watching Serenity.en.DVDRIP.XviD.avi [08:25] Somebody should tell them that communism itself predates from long, long ago and the system Russia implemented uses communism as a basis, but it's not pure communism anyway [08:25] I have no moral problem with downloading stuff, as long as they have that tax on cd-r/dvd-r [08:26] pure communism isn't even an ideology [08:27] windowsrefund (n=windowsr@66.227.111.61) joined #linuxhelp. [08:27] windowsrefund: "Windows refund"? [08:27] yes [08:27] windowsrefund: heh, what happened? [08:27] Got a windows computer? [08:28] the community failed to address the problem [08:28] oh [08:28] What was it? [08:28] so the OEMs are still getting away with forcing Windows onto consumers [08:29] Why don't you assemble your pc yourself? [08:29] that's what I do [08:29] Here you not only save money but you get a more powerful computer by the same price [08:29] as do I [08:29] that's not the point [08:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [08:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:30] joe consumer does not know how to do that and the solution doesn't address the laptop market [08:30] And probably never will... Joe should care himself [08:31] how about some campaign to keep Joe aware? [08:31] he doesn't because the OEMs are the only ones speaking to him [08:31] windowsrefund: Tell Joe how he's being abused, and what he can do [08:31] this community is more focused on emulating Windows than establishing a free market place [08:32] oh, that too [08:32] MegaByte, you're singing to the choir :) [08:32] hmmm [08:32] Action: windowsrefund wonders if he spelled that right [08:32] windowsrefund: "singing to the choir" means? [08:33] I started windowsrefund.info [08:33] wrote several articles for Linux Journal on the topic [08:33] :D [08:33] and gave several radio interviews [08:33] and took Toshiba to court [08:33] Why don't you make a company to assemble computers to Joe? [08:34] I don't have the capital [08:34] but yes, that would be nice [08:34] Of course you do, it shouldn't be that expensive... we have some around here [08:34] and those are small companies [08:34] that's not really the solution though [08:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:35] it helps [08:35] *a lot* [08:35] not really [08:35] a start up couldn't put a dent in the market that Dell/Toshiba/HP/foo/bar has access to [08:35] The seek for this kind of computer since those companies have been created here has risen [08:36] that's good to hear [08:36] where are ya from? [08:36] Brazil [08:36] nice [08:36] and opening a company here is expensive [08:36] so this should be good news to you [08:36] I hear Brazil is very good about free software [08:37] I'm sure the US will be the last country to finally "get it" [08:37] Not as you think, but we do have laptops and computers with Linux only and assembled computers with no software at all [08:37] Mine is one of them [08:38] good to hear [08:38] If you want to know, people here mostly don't buy brand computers anymore [08:38] except for laptops [08:38] (where you don't have much of a choice anyway) [08:39] you do [08:39] well, kindof [08:39] Aldaron: To assemble a laptop yourself? [08:39] this is news to me [08:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:40] me too [08:40] MegaByte: well, you can buy a laptop skeleton from Asus, for example. [08:41] Hm.. Mine doesn't actually say "Asus" anywhere [08:41] Nate_Grey (n=byte@63.119.82.41) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:41] Aldaron: I see [08:42] Aldaron: But for the sake of simplicity, I'd rather buy a branded laptop [08:42] at least until assembling laptops is easier [08:42] and, well, to be honest I bought it branded D-Code (small finnish shop) [08:43] Truth is, I'll always buy a whitebox whenever I can [08:43] MegaByte: It isn't hard, actually easier than assembling a desktop. It comes with most else than processor, memory, harddisk and wlan already included [08:43] this one is about almost 4 years [08:43] it's an Athlon XP 2400 + 1gig ram [08:43] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined #linuxhelp. [08:43] 1 HDD 40gig and another 120gig [08:43] ruggy (n=Rulon@66.199.118.2) joined #linuxhelp. [08:43] Although D-Code allowed me to select what chassis I want and what parts in it through a web interface :). That was nice and easy. [08:43] Heh [08:44] windowsrefund: I think you need to help Joe this way, suing companies directly won't help since they're pressured by the many Joes [08:44] 2 years old pentium M 1400MHz, 768 ram, 40GB hd, radeon 9600pro [08:44] Aldaron: Only my videocard sucks [08:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:45] MegaByte, you're wrong. The OEMs aren't servicing the market place, they're creating it [08:45] my sound is a SB Live! 5.1 with 5 speakers and one subwoofers [08:45] *subwoofer [08:45] I also have 7 usb entries :D [08:46] Tell me how much of this power I get with a branded computer for the price I got mine [08:46] Of course I did minor upgrades all along [08:47] MegaByte: I like my vid card and processor. This laptop can run all the games I want (ET mostly) *and* will run for 4+ hours in poversaving mode [08:47] windowsrefund: As I said, I think you need to create a marked of non-brand computers and tell Joe the truth, and you won't compete directly with those companies [08:47] windowsrefund: If it works here, why not in the US? [08:47] spencerk (n=sk@S0106001346aa01bf.gv.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:48] no, the community needs to step up to the plate on this one [08:48] Aldaron: As I said, only my videocard *needs* an upgrade, it's an NVidia Geforce MMX 440 64mb [08:48] 1 person can not solve this problem [08:48] spike_ (n=spike@81-179-124-253.dsl.pipex.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:48] windowsrefund: But you can propagate the message [08:48] Nick change: spike_ -> spike [08:48] this is important [08:48] MegaByte: I'm not sure I'd want to upgrade a video card on a laptop :) [08:48] windowsrefund: Besides, let the KDE job for KDE people [08:48] and so on [08:49] their job is to simplify their interface [08:49] specially their menu [08:49] if 1 person from every state took an OEM to court for tying (an illegal act) the sale of Windows to the sale of the hardware, things would change [08:49] but people are lazy [08:49] regeya (n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [08:49] I admire you suing Toshiba, but as I said, opening market would be effective too [08:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:50] and give you money [08:50] windowsrefund: You can't solve all problems from Linux [08:50] each person needs to fix what they should fix [08:51] hi all. jack is working fine with connections and stuff, but it never plays anything on the speakers, and it doesnt seem to block the speakers for non-jack apps either. any ideas? [08:51] alsa coders should worry about alsa, Seamoney coders about Seamonkey, and so on [08:51] windowsrefund: I see Linux as too clumsy today... requiring too many libs to do to the same things [08:51] it's all too duplicated [08:52] this is not a question of Linux [08:52] the bigger issue is advocating free software to the masses [08:52] Actually, it is... the amount of libraries to a basic Gnome install is overwhelming [08:52] see Xfce example [08:52] it's pretty much self contained and does the job quite well [08:53] it only needs a decent file browser :D [08:53] and putting a stop to the market that has been created by companies who seek to enslave the masses with thier freedom-restricting software and their associated EULAs [08:53] MegaByte: dont be silly [08:53] spike: Where am I being silly? [08:54] it has a perfect file browser already [08:54] ls [08:54] Nate_Grey (n=byte@63.119.82.212) joined #linuxhelp. [08:54] =D [08:54] lol [08:54] MegaByte: diversity *is* the *key* point... all those "duplicates" you're complaining about are the base of linux [08:54] sandi_ (i=sandi@schizofrenia.org) left #linuxhelp. [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/26 e/- I/-] [08:55] spike, agreed [08:55] MegaByte: without the freedom for any coder to come up with a fork of some project and his duplicate there wouldnt be any linux [08:55] not really. When you see duplicated functionality WITHIN a project, something is wrong [08:55] (e.g Kedit / Kwrite) [08:55] huh? [08:55] notepad / wordpad [08:56] isn't kwrite a wordprocessor? [08:56] Norky: word editor [08:56] a rather different beast to a text editor [08:56] latex is a word processor [08:56] yes, freedom is certainly more important than functionality [08:56] because when you start with freedom, you can build anything [08:56] it really *processes* source code to generate output [08:57] Why not merge them both into something that can edit ascii? [08:57] it shouldn't hurt [08:57] The reason why Linux is so good is the same reason it isn't so popular [08:57] now you're imposing new (technically more accurate) definitions on widely accepted and understood phrases [08:58] that is, choice and powerful functionality that is sometimes hard to understand and use [08:58] because then you get into monolithic vs. modular design [08:58] e.g. windoze vs. GNU/Linux [08:58] Still, I don't see why Kedit and Kwrite couldn't be merged [08:58] Why should they? [08:59] Aldaron: Because one can do pretty much all what the other can do [08:59] What harm does duplicated functionality do? [08:59] or.. [08:59] Aldaron: I'll just list one fundamental keypoint [08:59] MegaByte: I don't care, I use vim, and occasionaly Latex if I wnat prettified hard copy [08:59] just use vi [08:59] I am not everyone [08:59] if the those projects merged, both developers from both teams would focus on one project, and it could be a lot better [09:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] I mean, if I want to write a text editor / irc client / whatever, I write one and put it online. Some distribution might use it, others might not use it [09:00] some people use kwrite, and kedit and consider their separation a good thing [09:00] MegaByte: What if they both want to write their own text editors? [09:00] hi all. jack is working fine with connections and stuff, but it never plays anything on the speakers, and it doesnt seem to block the speakers for non-jack apps either. any ideas? [09:00] Aldaron: It's ok if their editors aren't a small part of a bigger project [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] MegaByte: you seem to be very set on the idea that more developers make a project better [09:01] duplicated functionality is bad under the *same* project [09:01] Norky: *If* they workout together, yes [09:01] indeed, some don't, some have very different ideas which take the projects in different directions [09:02] Norky: When we talk about a major project core, like KDE, duplicated functionality should be avoided [09:02] Action: windowsrefund believes there are more important battles to fight than convincing #linuxhelp that kedit and kwrite should be merged [09:02] Action: Norky agrees with windowsrefund [09:02] Kedit and kwrite were just to prove a point [09:03] of course there are more problems [09:03] usn_work (n=usn@p54B5A12D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Working on heaven's door" [09:03] yes, I know [09:03] but it's a petty point [09:03] considering the big picture of GNU/Linux adoption [09:03] however, windowsrefund got it spot on - arguing about in irc gets us nowhere [09:03] Ok, see KDE's menu [09:03] how many apps does it list? [09:04] Action: windowsrefund doesn't know [09:04] It should list only a few default apps [09:04] Action: windowsrefund uses fluxbox [09:04] why? [09:04] so it can look more like windoze? [09:04] windowsrefund: So *we* can add what we like best instead [09:04] otherwise it takes lots of work to remove the load of crap everytime I delete KDE's config [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:05] if that's the worst of your problems........ [09:05] you're doin pretty good :) [09:05] windowsrefund: it's just one of the many annoyances of the software world [09:05] I can list even more [09:05] there are some things I dislike about Fedora (the distro I use the most), I coudl fork it, or produce my own distro that does thigns exactly the way I like, but it's not that important to me and I don't have the time to spare so I accept that it's not 100% perfect for me [09:06] spencerk (n=sk@S0106001346aa01bf.gv.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:06] excellent response Norky [09:06] MegaByte: than take kde, clean the crap out and release your version [09:06] oh, wait, no, that would be a ducplicate, wouldnt it? :P [09:06] spike: exactly [09:06] nice one, spike :) [09:06] I like KDE menu. I'd want *more* things there, namely I'd want all the progs I've installed to be there [09:06] KDE should come with a cleaned up menu by default [09:06] I like fluxbox menu. :P [09:06] Aldaron: ehehe [09:07] the freedom provided by free software provides users with the ability to scratch their own itch.... if they choose to [09:07] MegaByte: so you're saying there should be no duplication of effort or similar projects, but any desktop environemt should behave in a certain way (your ideal way) [09:08] gnubien (n=e@13.147.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [09:08] I'd actually like to drag-and-drop things I actually actively use to some nicer part of the menu while everything would be somewhere deep in a logical hierarchy [09:08] Norky: I think my point is pretty much obvious and I rest my case here. Now, if you want to keep idealistic... [09:08] Aldaron: yes, it's those minor things that are missing [09:08] KDE should come with a cleaned up menu by default - "should" see, here you are representing your opinion - and make no mistake, it is your opinion - as fact [09:09] Norky: Ok... I'll state the opposite. KDE should come with every application you installed, even if you have 100 of them. [09:09] without evidence to reinforce that should it's nothing more than one person's view. It's pefectly valid, but no more so than any other person's view [09:09] without evidence to reinforce that use of "should" it's nothing more than one person's view. It's pefectly valid, but no more so than any other person's view [09:09] you're missing the most important point: FLOSS is community based. if the community wants something it'll be done, in a way or the other. [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:10] My point isn't valid because it's my own opinion? [09:10] if kde got a cluttered menu is becuse the community (most of it) is fine with that/wants that [09:10] MegaByte: sorry, you're losing me, I'm failing to see the point you're making [09:10] it's valid, just pointless :P [09:10] spike: Actually, most distros clean it up [09:10] MegaByte: read what I wrote: "It's pefectly valid, but no more so than any other person's view" [09:10] Suse, Mandriva... [09:11] Fedora [09:11] that is, it's valid opinion, and I'm sure many people agree with you, but it's obviously not an opinion shared by eveyone [09:11] I think most people would though [09:12] MegaByte: if most was enough things would be different [09:12] cipherz (n=lj@0x55516cd2.adsl.cybercity.dk) left irc: "leaving" [09:12] upon what evidence do you base that "I think most people would"? :) [09:13] Ok then [09:13] if you think different, go status quo [09:13] you're missing the most important point: FLOSS is community based. if the community wants something it'll be done, in a way or the other. -- very good point [09:14] acid (n=acid@64.25.9.189) joined #linuxhelp. [09:14] anyone have any suggestions for a dvr card for linux i can plug my security cams up to and view them via browser.. like good dvr card [09:14] a bigger problem IMO is the whole "open source" community itself. How many people here use WINE to run windows apps or have flash players installed? The point being, the open source community does makes such an effort to avoid discussing the importance of freedom. End result: people end up using "Linux" for all the wrong reasons [09:14] to me, that's much more important than kedit vs. kwrite [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:15] another way to look at it is this: it's free (as well as Free) software, if you don't like it, that's cool, here, have a full refund of the zero monetary units that you paid for it. Have the source code too and go and make something that is - to your way of thinking - better. :) [09:15] windowsrefund: I'd rather discuss the problems I see than than ideology, and I've been in the same place you are now [09:16] windowsrefund: I use wine for two apps.. :) [09:16] 2 too many IMHO :) [09:16] windowsrefund: I'm afraid I'm part of that problem, I use wine (or at least try to) for World of Warcraft :) [09:17] actually, I may be wrong [09:17] sorry [09:17] Norky: *cough*, *cough* [09:17] ideologies are as important as practical problems, both need to be addressed, claiming that one is more important than the other breaks one of the FLOSS ideology, equality [09:17] if WINE is being used to run free software, it's ok [09:17] windowsrefund: well, there are no equal programs for linux so.. [09:17] MegaByte: "*cough*"? [09:17] spike: Ideologies are important, but I'd rather focus more on problems [09:17] I'm a real person, I need to get my job done too [09:17] MegaByte: see what I just said, both are important [09:18] Zider, there is also no free flash player.... end result, I can't use a few web sites.... Ok, so I don't use them [09:18] I'm afraid my problems are more important to me than to discuss things [09:18] I'm a real person, I need to get my job done too - so am I. [09:18] I do a job which occasionally involves the physical disection of computers [09:18] kyncani (n=kyncani@bro29-1-82-245-180-190.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:19] MegaByte: and that's the mistake I just mentioned... stop talking like those supporting ideologies were what? rich dumb$$$$ with parents paying the rent who can afford ranting all day? [09:19] kyncani (n=kyncani@bro29-1-82-245-180-190.fbx.proxad.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:19] gn00b (n=gn00b@71-209-239-105.phnx.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:19] windowsrefund: on flash I don't really have an opinion.. I'd prefer a flash free net, but people insist on making flash based sites and fill it with crap.. :P [09:19] for this, I have a number of tools, including about 5 different sizes of torx and phillips screwdrivers, as well as numerous other tools that seem very very similar to one another [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:20] is this a problem, that I have so many almost identical tools, surely the functionality of this one tool coudl be merged with the functionality of this other, very similar tool? [09:20] windowsrefund: What if your boss asked you to access a site in flash? Will you complain that there's no free flash player too? [09:20] and quit? [09:20] Zider, yes, the fact that there is so much flash content represents the fact that the masses have no knowledge or appreciation of freedom as it relates to software [09:20] you seem to suggest that having multiple similar tools is intrinsically bad [09:21] MegaByte, I would tell him that I can't access the content. Simple [09:21] windowsrefund: I don't really care if things are free or not, I use whatever works best for me. usually it's free tho, since cracking software is too bothersome.. ;) [09:21] windowsrefund: What if he know your reasons and said "well, I can see it here using this plugin / using explorer" [09:22] Zider, yes, I'm aware of the selfish position you just related in your statement [09:22] windowsrefund: selfish? [09:22] yes [09:22] if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem [09:22] bullshit [09:22] sorry you don't understand it [09:22] Oh well! [09:22] sorry you're a moron [09:22] anyway, it's time to move to #political, this aint helping anybody, and we got to a point where we're getting repetitive and move to insults [09:23] Zider, ever send someone a .doc file? [09:23] spike: After some months of therapy I'm cooler with all this [09:23] or an .xls file? [09:23] windowsrefund: no? [09:23] I said enough [09:23] spike: I don't take all this too personally as I used to [09:23] too personal [09:24] Zider, you may want to give some thought as to how your decision to use non-free software affects others [09:24] that's what I mean by selfish [09:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:25] Recommending people alternatives or bugging Macromedia could be more useful [09:25] windowsrefund: it doesn't. now quit being a whiny wench. [09:25] I think I've said it pretty clearly [09:25] lol [09:25] Zider, no need to get nasty [09:25] this aint helpful at all [09:25] and I'm off to the TV [09:25] Zider: tnx [09:25] Action: windowsrefund understands [09:25] denial = defense mode [09:25] "politically correct" people annoys the living shit out of me. [09:26] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [09:26] Tcl error in script for 'timer126523': [09:26] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [09:26] get a freaking life [09:26] *gone* [09:26] Action: windowsrefund waves [09:26] Action: MegaByte starts humming "I told you" [09:26] Zider: I'd rather be *very* incorrect :D [09:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [09:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:30] windowsrefund: that's a sucky bushism - if not then against, that is [09:30] "Bushism"? [09:30] Nice [09:30] lololol [09:30] hmm, wouldn't this discussion have been better suited to ##linux? [09:31] MegaByte: I think we've been talking of "Bushisms" for years whenever mr. President says something stupid [09:31] TipTap (n=jon@noc.mistral.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:31] or indeed #politics as spike suggested. Either way, I tire of it :) [09:32] Aldaron: I'm sorry for the president you have [09:32] But things might get better in the future [09:32] just pray (tm) [09:32] Aldaron isnt american [09:33] MegaByte: I'm scandinavian myself ;) [09:33] Aldaron: let me reestate. :) [09:33] That doesn't stop us from laughing at bush one bit. The thing that does stop us that we've grown too afraid of him lately. [09:33] I just hope Americans get a good president. They should just pray (tm). [09:33] They should *vote* too! [09:33] ;) [09:34] Aldaron: They did, but their voting system is... crappy [09:34] their votes are not direct [09:34] acid (n=acid@64.25.9.189) left #linuxhelp. [09:34] they vote for someone else who votes in the one they want to be president [09:34] yeah, that too [09:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:35] Aldaron: Since they don't want to change that, postponing it, let them pray (tm). [09:35] okie then :) [09:35] bye bye [09:35] Norky (n=dan@milton.ocsl.co.uk) left irc: "shell script is only free to those whose variable has no value" [09:36] We need some praying (tm) too, actually [09:36] heh [09:36] Romster2 (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-9abdd0269d578281) joined #linuxhelp. [09:37] Was fun when a guide in Thailand told me people would gather to play in the temples every now and then [09:37] heh [09:37] Romster (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-6ff65fd9ac7a97b8) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] regeya (n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:41] It was on slashdot that according a scientific study, praying does not help! [09:42] Aldaron: of course it helps. You see, I prayed you would answer me and you did [09:42] Aldaron: How come it isn't effective? Huh?! Huh?! [09:42] MegaByte: Pray that I don't bash your religion any further =D [09:42] although it would be hard as I don't really know anything about it [09:43] hehehe [09:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [09:46] dury (n=dury@55.Red-217-127-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:49] ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:00] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:02] irvken (n=sean@82-32-96-117.cable.ubr01.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:03] nuxil (n=octan@213.161.182.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/107 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/107 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:07] reind (n=reind@CPE001310d0697d-CM00159a68f288.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:08] What's the convention for naming local domains? Should i do something like mail.example.local and dns.example.local, etc to resolve to machines on the internal network? (i just want to avoid collision/confusion with external domain names). Any suggestions [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/108 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/108 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:10] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit|wrk [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/108 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/108 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:25] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [10:25] ninjak (n=ninjak@adsl-ull-2-191.44-151.net24.it) joined #linuxhelp. [10:25] DarthYawg (n=darthyaw@149.9.0.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:26] DarthYawg (n=darthyaw@149.9.0.21) joined #linuxhelp. [10:27] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:27] Sonderblade (n=muh@host-213.131.147.169.addr.tdcsong.se) left irc: "Lämnar" [10:27] acid_ (n=acid@64.25.9.189) joined #linuxhelp. [10:27] i have a elyssa edv-xv425 dvr card will it work with zoneminderz> [10:29] AOL dialup is not Linux friendly, I am sure, but what about AOL high-speed ? That is not dependent upon Windows, is it? [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:30] it probably is [10:30] iirc it requires the aol dialer [10:31] Yeah, I know the dialup requires their dialer. [10:31] i mean, the high-speed connection probably requires the same software. [10:31] regeya (n=shane@adsl-sp3-cdale176.micgi.com) joined #linuxhelp. [10:31] you might want to see if pengaol (penggy now, i think) supports it [10:31] Could be [10:31] OK [10:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:36] moprilo (n=jjohn@201.192.107.57) joined #linuxhelp. [10:37] hi, i'm using 'tcng' i run the script.. (tcc script.tc) and it's not doing anything, i even try the 'tc filter show, to see if any of the filters are up [10:37] angustia (n=angustia@trindade.linhalivre.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:37] hello [10:37] and none show up. although when i run the script, all the ouput looks right [10:37] how do I configure my mouse for the scrolling button to work? [10:38] angustia : XF86Config-4 file, look for the exact line on google.. [10:38] ok [10:38] ant384 (n=zen@unaffiliated/ant384) left irc: "Leaving" [10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:42] csena2k2 (n=csena2k2@200.196.186.152) joined #linuxhelp. [10:44] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:47] rgould (n=rgould@S010600014a5e5049.gv.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:47] angustia (n=angustia@trindade.linhalivre.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [10:57] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:57] reind (n=reind@CPE001310d0697d-CM00159a68f288.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:00] Writing user file... [11:00] Writing channel file... [11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [11:02] anyone used the traffic control yet? [11:02] tcng [11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:07] nlight (n=nlight@85.187.188.181) joined #linuxhelp. [11:07] moprilo: traffic control..? [11:08] yeah, TC [11:08] .. :S [11:08] i installed it, and configured it, but is not limiting my bandwidth [11:08] anyone know how to enable QoS on my kernel ..? [11:09] oh you mean traffic shaping..? [11:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:10] yes.. jej [11:10] :D [11:10] no, never used it.. just seen it in the kernel.. [11:10] i use the tcng, but installed it with apt-get.. and it seems not to be working [11:10] ohh ok [11:10] but how do i enabled it in teh kernel? [11:10] that part I have no idea [11:13] you just select it in the kernel menuconfig and compile it [11:13] not sure where it is tho [11:13] angustia (n=angustia@trindade.linhalivre.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:13] hello [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:15] I`m trying to get my quickcam express to work on linux. I already got it working once, but now it won`t work anymore. I see it in lsusb, I did modprobe quickcam, and I see it in lsmod and the last lines of dmesg, but xawtv and other programs say "/dev/video0: no such device", even though I have mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 [11:16] any thoughts? [11:17] moethesuseuser00 (n=jmn@67-58-201-166.amtelecom.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:19] hmmm. that`s odd... after I changed it to another usb port it worked... [11:19] angustia (n=angustia@trindade.linhalivre.net) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.2 -- Are we there yet?" [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:25] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:25] I am using SUSE Linux 10 (I have both KDE and Gnome installed BUT I only use KDE) and I have this exact keyboard as shown here: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/CA/EN,CRID=2166,CONTENTID=10568 (Logitech Media Keyboard Elite) and the Media buttons don't work in Linux... So does anyone know of a Linux Driver or Program that will work with this keyboard? Or is there a way to install the MS Windows driver for this Keyboa [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:30] moethesuseuser00 (n=jmn@67-58-201-166.amtelecom.net) left #linuxhelp. [11:34] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [11:34] capgadget (n=elifino@ppp-70-248-35-197.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:37] moprilo (n=jjohn@201.192.107.57) left irc: No route to host [11:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:44] keter_ (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:47] sparr (i=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:49] sparr (i=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr) joined #linuxhelp. [11:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:53] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:53] caplink811-log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-097-121.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [11:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [11:56] JoeMorris (i=JoeMorri@207-38-195-55.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:59] sadsix (n=asadiq@sadiqs.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:00] Writing user file... [12:00] Writing channel file... [12:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [12:02] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:02] muteW (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) joined #linuxhelp. [12:03] I need to get a print out of the top 20 memory intensive processes and load average on daily basis. What's the best way to do this? [12:04] whats good software to convert ogg to mp3? something with a gui, and that uses a good encoder [12:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:05] converting one destructive format to another is A Bad Idea [12:06] better to re-rip from cd or download it as mp3 [12:06] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-096-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:06] dury (n=dury@55.Red-217-127-111.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:08] 2007 is the year of linux for the mainstream [12:09] linux has finally evolved [12:09] its at a point now where come 2007 i will dump windows [12:09] no vista for me :) [12:09] Nick change: caplink811-log -> caplink811_log [12:09] I already dumped windows :P [12:09] zider true but it just needs some work for the masses [12:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:10] its finally achived critical mass [12:10] when? [12:10] come this summer some more work from google summer of code [12:10] etc... [12:10] 2007 will be the year of linux [12:10] google will develop linux apps..? [12:11] zider: nono what im saying at is the collective consciounce is now awakened [12:11] so everyone working together [12:11] typo [12:11] zider: Google contributes back to linux [12:11] as does many others [12:11] in what way? [12:13] JoeMorris (i=JoeMorri@207-38-195-55.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) left irc: [12:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:16] capgadget (n=elifino@ppp-70-248-35-197.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:20] wth is today? free ranting for everybody? [12:20] Action: spike checks the calendar [12:20] no, 1st april is long gone [12:21] Zider: thats actually a good idea, and i will re-rip if i can find the CDs. but i need the mp3s today [12:21] can anyone name a Free audio transcoder, like lame, that can preserve metadata from ogg to mp3? [12:21] sparr: why do you need it in mp3? [12:21] mp3 player [12:21] no ogg support.. bummer.. [12:21] capgadget (n=elifino@ppp-70-248-35-197.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:22] cheapest one i could find [12:22] $20 [12:22] it does WMA, what a waste of firmware [12:22] the cheapest I could find with 1GB flash could do ogg.. I was a happy camper.. ;) [12:23] is there any way to tell the rpms of an hd from linux? hdparm -I gives lots of info but no rpms [12:23] DJ_Tobias (n=tobias@ip68-10-203-43.hr.hr.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:23] I guess one could work it back from the udma mode, but I'm not sure how [12:24] travis (n=travis@Toronto-HSE-ppp3657096.sympatico.ca) joined #linuxhelp. [12:24] i get an error when trying to do an emerge -uDN world with libSDL-1.2.9 [12:24] http://pastebin.com/667827 [12:24] spike: I think the model number usually reveals it somehow.. but it takes some detective work.. :P [12:24] this is a mp3 cd player [12:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:25] heh, i had one before, never used it. sold it, and now i actually want one. then again, the old one cost $130 and had less features, this one cost $20 :) [12:25] have fun with the skipping when you jog ;) [12:25] i have two computers, 1 windows xp pro and 1 linux (breezy), i am trying to netowrk print from the linux computer but the printer is connected to the windows computer, houw would i go about and set that up to print from linux? [12:25] i dont job [12:25] jog [12:25] its for my car [12:25] ah :) [12:26] lesshaste (n=lesshast@circe.cs.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [12:26] for books-on-mp3 mostly [12:26] im not a big music fan [12:27] I need music when I walk, jog or bike somewhere for a longer time, so a flash based player was a must.. :) [12:28] now that i have it im sure ill listen to more music :) [12:28] and i dont think it will skip [12:28] you know the trick to making a cd player not skip right? [12:29] mount it on your side, instead of your hip, with the laser assembly moving horizontally. [12:29] then vertical shocks wont affect it [12:29] Zider: yeah, I sorted it out, ta [12:29] I don't like cd players for other reasons than the skipping too tho.. ;) [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:30] anyways, off to the store.. [12:30] *gone* [12:31] DJ_Tobias (n=tobias@ip68-10-203-43.hr.hr.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:31] muteW (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) left irc: Connection timed out [12:32] i like the cd player because storage is cheap :) [12:33] normal players have plenty of advantages, but none of them matter to me [12:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:36] found my CDs, so i can re-rip... im so glad i took the time to add them to freedb last time, will make it so much easier this time. [12:36] csena2k2 (n=csena2k2@200.196.186.152) left irc: "Fui embora" [12:38] usr13 (n=gayle@209.144.24.229) joined #linuxhelp. [12:39] what is the provision for resizing linux partitions on the fly? [12:39] (I'm in a conversation with a new linux user and I can not remember the term. [12:39] Nick change: travis -> TheFerret [12:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:40] Nick change: TheFerret -> TheFerret22 [12:40] what needs to be installed in order to resize Linux partitions on the fly? [12:42] usr13: it depends on the fs, and it's very dangerous anyway [12:43] usr13: for ext3 you need an additional patch that only RHEL ships [12:43] otherway you need to reboot and do it from a liveCD with the hd not mounted [12:44] usr13: actually growing a partition is acceptable, shrinking it... well, hope your god is merciful [12:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:45] iratsu (n=iratsu@modemcable157.255-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:46] ufo (n=ufo@lepelaar.demon.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [12:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:50] muteW (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) joined #linuxhelp. [12:51] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) joined #linuxhelp. [12:52] muteW (n=mutew@203.145.188.130) left irc: Client Quit [12:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [12:57] stocksy (n=stocksy@i-194-106-52-245.freedom2surf.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:00] Writing user file... [13:00] Writing channel file... [13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:05] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-131-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:13] Chivas (n=chivas@82-192-171-34.sk.dsl.struer.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:14] I have this linksys wrt54gp2 soho router that generates a logfile thru snmptraps(?), what gui based tool can read / filter such logfile ? [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:15] i have found snmptrapd from shell, but i would like it to run in a gui with sort features, like the logviewer.exe from linksys has [13:17] Nick change: joemauch_ -> joemauch [13:18] capgadget (n=elifino@ppp-70-248-35-197.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:20] reind (n=reind@CPE001310d0697d-CM00159a68f288.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:20] Can anyone suggest a tool for backing up a windows xp drive (from knoppix) to another drive (not same same, so dd probably wont work?) [13:21] reind: are src/dst ntfs? [13:22] hellz_hunter (n=abra@c-68-58-148-84.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:22] spike yep [13:23] well dst is fat [13:23] so, i can write to it [13:23] reind: then even cp would do it [13:24] reind: you'll lose whatever ntfs attributes/permissionss you had if any, you know that right? [13:24] but it wouldn't preserve ownership data, etc? [13:24] yeah that's what i meant [13:24] nothing will, so that's not an issue [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:25] acid_ (n=acid@64.25.9.189) left irc: Connection timed out [13:25] hmm. so there's no way to mirror the drive so it's bootable? [13:25] on the dst drive i mean [13:26] reind: fat wont ever undestand ntfs permissions/acl/extende_attrs, so theyll be lost whatever method you use to copy them [13:26] reind: you cant change the fs type and expect the system to boot fine [13:26] spike true enough =) [13:27] thanks. cp it is then =) [13:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [13:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:30] AJC_Z0 (n=AJC_Z0@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/aj-z0) left irc: Connection timed out [13:32] reind (n=reind@CPE001310d0697d-CM00159a68f288.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "changing servers" [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:43] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:43] do_brk (n=damn3d@87.126.98.96) joined #linuxhelp. [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [13:50] kaklomaath (n=Xavier@ip-126.net-81-220-77.rev.numericable.fr) joined #linuxhelp. [13:50] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [13:59] usr13 (n=gayle@209.144.24.229) left irc: "leaving" [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:02] ufo (n=ufo@lepelaar.demon.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/109 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/109 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:05] munzir (n=munzir@86.60.37.88) joined #linuxhelp. [14:05] linux_noob (n=icechat5@69.151.14.81) joined #linuxhelp. [14:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:15] clarks (n=clarks@c-69-137-198-225.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:15] how can I find all text files on my computer from April 10? [14:16] clarks : man find [14:17] or if you use kde, there is a nice 'find files' right in your k menu [14:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:20] bah, how do you monitor system usage per user otherway than with acct? [14:20] I'm very fed up of acct, it's not the reliability , it's it goes crazy for no reason from time to time [14:20] and apparently it's a known "feature" [14:21] s/reliability/accuracy/ [14:22] and I cant even actually debug it... [14:23] only guess is under heavy load broken entries in wtmp, due to unexpected dead ssh connections, will cause it to segfault [14:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:26] windowsrefund (n=windowsr@66.227.111.61) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:26] windowsrefund (n=windowsr@vtb2.fxserver.com) joined #linuxhelp. [14:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [14:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:34] rgould (n=rgould@S010600014a5e5049.gv.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:37] sadsix (n=asadiq@sadiqs.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:37] gm144 (n=gm@d150-235-113.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:38] kaklomaath (n=Xavier@ip-126.net-81-220-77.rev.numericable.fr) left #linuxhelp. [14:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:41] mako-sama (i=1000@82.194.48.20) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:42] ruggy (n=Rulon@66.199.118.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:42] asdf25 (n=asdf25@71.241.234.200) joined #linuxhelp. [14:44] palomer (n=palomer@MTL-ppp-154486.qc.sympatico.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/108 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/108 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:45] blahdebla1 (n=paulg@adsl-125-154.swiftdsl.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [14:46] mako-sama (i=1000@Flat-1-ip4-7.access.batelco.com.bh) joined #linuxhelp. [14:47] spike: You were asking Omache_ about sspe for Shorewall? I *think* he means this: http://gear.dyndns.org/~paulgear/linux/shoregen-0.1.1/README [14:49] zarluk (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) joined #linuxhelp. [14:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:50] blahdebla1: cheers dude, that is [14:51] gtme (n=eric@ip114.131.45.216.suscom.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:53] molar (n=Molar@80-195-163-96.cable.ubr03.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [14:54] Iam8up|lpy|dsc (n=iam8up@cpe-24-210-253-66.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [14:56] blahdebla1: that's *exactly* what I was expecting :) [14:56] simply perfect, no more, no less [14:57] blahdebla1: is the guy on #sw? wanna say tnx :) [14:58] blahdebla1: actually, to be pricky, the rsync requirement could be removed [14:58] Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [14:58] a full sw config dir isnt gonna be more than a few KBs, so scp would suffice, there isnt much bw to save with rsync [14:59] Blissex (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [15:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:01] Hi, my local time zone shows Asia/Riyadh (AST) which I guess is alaska time zone. How come alaska UTC-9 = Riyadh UTC+3? [15:01] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:02] munzir: thats the capital of Saudi Arabia, middle east easia [15:03] Blissex: yes it's the capital of saudi arabia which is very far from alaska so how come they are the same timezone? [15:03] plerkw (n=plesr@87.202.217.61) joined #linuxhelp. [15:03] munzir: obviously they don't :-) [15:04] DarthYawg (n=darthyaw@149.9.0.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] munzir: the timezone and the _acronym_ for the timezone are very different things... [15:04] I setup a network with 2 adsl connections load balanced by a linux box. I provide qos using htb with my gateway and imq devices (two) to handle the dl speed [15:04] It seems to work ok with the rules I provided [15:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:05] but sometimes it's really slow [15:05] plerkw: very unlikely. [15:05] why is that Blissex [15:05] ? [15:05] plerkw: very unlikely: «seems to work ok» [15:05] yes why r u saying that? [15:05] plerkw: have you got a globally routable set of addresses? [15:06] I'm not following u.. [15:06] DarthYawg (n=darthyaw@tor/session/external/x-edf6a22ebdac6f80) joined #linuxhelp. [15:06] Blissex: Umm! can you clarify this please? [15:06] do_brk (n=damn3d@87.126.98.96) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] My situation is two adsls (two dif routers) going to a linux box and the linux box provide internet to my network [15:07] the load balancing thing works fine [15:07] ok so far? [15:07] plerkw: if you don't know what a globally routable set of addresses is, then it is very unlikely that you are load balancing across two ADSL lines. Unless they are with the same ISP. [15:07] im with tha same isp [15:07] but even if I wasn't I don't see the problem but that's not my problem right now [15:08] Blissex: when it use the acronym AST it means what here in this context [15:08] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) joined #linuxhelp. [15:09] anyway could it be possible cause of the unstability of adsl I'm having this behavior? [15:09] I mean I test my network in the morning and it works great but at night everything is really slow [15:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:10] also I'm using l7 packet filtering [15:11] proc (i=alex@chello080109164030.tirol.surfer.at) joined #linuxhelp. [15:11] hi [15:11] I can print testpages via the cups webinterface but I can't print with lpr. What can cause this? [15:12] proc: perhaps you don't have the CUPS emulation of 'lpr' [15:12] lpr is not using cups [15:12] oha [15:12] I didn't know that, thanks [15:12] the whole thing about ingress shaping leaves me perplexed [15:12] how can I find this out? [15:13] deego (n=user@63.126.179.162) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:13] I didnt go into imq details, but conceptually it doesnt sound possible [15:13] spike : why is that? [15:14] plerkw: my own knowledge limit I guess [15:14] spike: it just drops packets... This slows down the flow of ACKs [15:14] how am i supposed to control the dl bandwidth without imq? [15:14] Blissex: that's what other hacks do, and it's just as bad as it sounds [15:14] as you get rentransmitted packets, which actually increases the amount of traffic [15:14] spike: it's OK... [15:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:15] spike: because congestion control kicks in and slows down transmits. [15:15] so Blissex i'm on the right track by using imqs right? [15:15] GeniXPro (n=bradley@S0106000d889027fb.vf.shawcable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:16] plerkw: depends what you want to do. but should be OK. [15:16] Blissex: and how's that any different than rate limiting? that ends up with dropped packets too [15:16] spike: outgoing, the kernel can limit rate by making the sending apps sleep. [15:17] well what I want is to give 30% on internet activities like browsing, emails.ftps.torrents etc and 70% to games [15:18] Blissex: that's egrees, not ingress ;) [15:18] plerkw: thats very funny... [15:18] why? [15:19] plerkw: if you want to play with that kind of thing, have a look at this script, which is well commented and explicative: http://www.sabi.co.uk/#sourcesSabishape [15:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:21] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [15:24] asdf25 (n=asdf25@71.241.234.200) left irc: "Leaving" [15:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:25] proc (i=alex@chello080109164030.tirol.surfer.at) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [15:27] plerkw: and dont expect too much, because things are not that shapeable overall ADSL, especially as a leaf node. [15:27] Blissex: so? [15:28] I'm checking it now [15:28] tc on ingrees done by egrees limiting is a poor hack as I said earlier, therefore I'm back to my initial statement "it cant be done but with poor hacks". [15:28] zarluk (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [15:28] but again, if I'm wrong I'd love to be corrected [15:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [15:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:30] so your statement is that you can't tc ingrees [15:31] my statement is 2 lines up and pretty clear I'd say [15:31] asdf25 (n=asdf25@71.241.234.200) joined #linuxhelp. [15:31] "it cant be done but with poor hacks" [15:32] then it can be done [15:33] I'm curious though how routers are doing this? [15:34] spike: it is a hack, it is not a poor hack... [15:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:36] AzianFlu (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:36] meneg (n=fs@bk-red025-u0221284.uel.ac.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [15:37] Blissex: you still have to clarify your point, since you didnt make much sense anyway. "putting the app to sleep" would mean reducing the outgoing traffic too, you cant just delay the ACks. and again, doing ingree tc with egress it's not an hack, it's a poor hack in principles [15:37] Blissex: and the pkt retransmission issue is still pending [15:37] meneg (n=fs@bk-red025-u0221284.uel.ac.uk) left #linuxhelp. [15:37] inv_arp[work] (i=junya@adsl-11-225-195.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:38] I guess tht thing calculates the timing and delay the ack at max that value [15:38] endeavormac (n=endeavor@unaffiliated/endeavormac) joined #linuxhelp. [15:38] spike: I was contrasting ingress with egress... The main point about dropping incoming packets is that the sender will assume the line is congested not receiving ACKs and will therefore slow down sending. That's why it works. Source quenching gets triggered. [15:39] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@user-0cdv2kk.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:39] I hope this isn't flooding. When ./configure, I get this: [15:39] *** The libIDL-config script installed by libIDL could not be found [15:39] *** If libIDL was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in [15:39] *** your path, or set the LIBIDL_CONFIG environment variable to the [15:39] *** full path to libIDL-config. [15:39] Blissex: eeer, if sender doesnt get any ACKs it'll retransmits the pkts when "timer" expires [15:39] spike: yes, and slow down too. So not many packets will be dropped. [15:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:40] endeavormac: what was the point of that? [15:40] So i find the config file, it's at /usr/bin/libIDL-config-2 [15:40] and do a LILBIDL_CONFIG=/usr/bin/libIDL-config-2 [15:40] and then do a ./configure again, and get the same message? [15:40] Sorry, yeah, I'm trying to figure this out [15:41] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@user-0cdv2kk.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:41] Iam8up|lpy|dsc (n=iam8up@user-0cdv2kk.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [15:41] endeavormac: I was referring to "I hope this is not flooding". like a spammer sending emails with an header saying "hope you do not consider this spam" [15:42] Ok, yeah, that was pointless. Didn't know if 4 lines counted as flooding [15:42] sorry :/ [15:44] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [15:44] Tcl error in script for 'timer139442': [15:44] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [15:44] zarluk (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) joined #linuxhelp. [15:44] redduck666 (n=yos@BSN-61-106-96.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:45] endeavormac: only thing I can see is it saying "libIDL-config" missing and you setting a path to a script called libIDL-config-2 [15:45] i figured that just happened to be the name of it on my distro? [15:46] endeavormac: no idea, might be, but that's the only thing I can spot in there [15:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:50] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-131-115.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] that looks like CORBA stuff [15:51] xp_ (n=wgheath@67-102-228-17.adsl.lbdsl.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:51] when you zip something with zip, can windows users unzip with winzip? [15:51] heya sethk [15:51] spike, hey [15:52] xp_, sure [15:52] xp_: yes [15:52] xp_, well, if they know how :) [15:52] Blissex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone it shows alaska and saudi the same color, I am sure I am missing something obvious sorry. [15:52] well it is just a regular zip file like any other right? [15:53] xp_: may be you would face a problem if the filename language is not english [15:53] xp_, yes, I was just trying to be funny [15:53] xp_: other than this yes they should be able to [15:53] sethk: ;) [15:54] xp_, like, doctor, will I be able to play the violin? [15:54] zip on windows is a clear example of windows user utterly stupidity: they will always use winzip and click ok thousands of times because of the shareware version, or crack it, instead of simply using Zippus (or how it's called) which is free and supports all of the nice nix format [15:54] munzir: the colors repeat... [15:54] setuid (i=japh@65.172.152.98) joined #linuxhelp. [15:54] amrit|wrk: ping [15:54] I've got the kitchen probe on the drive's heatsink... 100F [15:54] Blissex: aha [15:54] And its idle [15:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/26 e/- I/-] [15:55] Blissex: so please why the put (AST) after Riyadh time zone? [15:55] Blissex: what does it mean here [15:55] spike : I missjudged u [15:56] -s [15:56] plerkw: ? [15:56] I misjudge u ... at first I didn't like u much :) [15:56] +d [15:57] endeavormac (n=endeavor@unaffiliated/endeavormac) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] setuid: pong [15:58] setuid: nice [15:58] setuid: this is on the enclosure with the thermistor fan, right? [15:59] Yes [15:59] But that seems hot to me [15:59] What do drives normally run at, temp-wise? [16:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:00] Writing user file... [16:00] Writing channel file... [16:00] not sure of the normal temps anymore.. the few drives that i can monitor right now are around 65F, but they've got a lot of airflow over them [16:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [16:01] This one is at 31C now... and that's with the probe on the external, exposed heatsink, not on the drive itself. [16:01] The heatsink is on the bottom of the drive too. [16:01] I had it down to 20C today with a third fan blowing across it [16:02] But that third fan, a 4" industrial fan, is about 14k rpm and pushes 64cfm [16:02] Its L-O-U-D [16:02] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@user-0cdv2kk.cable.mindspring.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:02] macka (n=irc@proxy.qtac.edu.au) joined #linuxhelp. [16:04] Iam8up|lpy|dsc (n=iam8up@user-0cdv2kk.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Connection refused [16:04] Blissex (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:08] Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [16:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:11] Hey [16:11] does anyone here use slapt-get? [16:14] MegaByte : what's your problem? [16:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:15] plerkw: Freerock Gnome replaced my gimp by a buggy one. How can I exclude gimp from their repository without removing gimp altogether? [16:17] dullin (n=dullin@dsl-149-128.aei.ca) left irc: Client Quit [16:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:20] Manu` (i=Manu@61.84.234.209) left irc: "Manu is so GOOD!!! http://Manuz.Com" [16:23] clarks (n=clarks@c-69-137-198-225.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:24] Hi, How can I change my monitor resolution? system-settings -> monitor -> screen size is disabled and have the value of 640 x 480. This is nvidia-glx driver installed [16:24] edit your xorg.conf [16:24] Poeir (n=poeir@64.198.239.110) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:25] MegaByte : Can't help u didn't understand what u want [16:25] plerkw: I want to stop slapt from downloading freerock's gimp, but allow it to download slackware's official gimp [16:26] what is the binary for firefox called? [16:27] MegaByte : the official gimp is already installed with your distro.if not is on the cd [16:27] jedx (n=Jedx23@h234.178.140.67.ip.alltel.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:27] i need some help [16:27] plerkw: I want to download gimp from the current repository instead of Freerock's gimp [16:27] get it? [16:27] unix_infidel (n=blue@adsl-68-94-18-84.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:27] ninjak (n=ninjak@adsl-ull-2-191.44-151.net24.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [16:27] Poeir (n=poeir@64.198.239.110) joined #linuxhelp. [16:28] spike: "blahdebla1: is the guy on #sw? wanna say tnx" http://gear.dyndns.org/ is my web site. blahdeblah & blahdebla1 are just my home & work nicks (and sometimes they swap, just for fun). [16:28] xp_: firefox-bin, usually [16:28] jedx (n=Jedx23@h234.178.140.67.ip.alltel.net) left #linuxhelp. [16:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [16:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:30] MegaByte : did u check the EXCLUDE option? [16:30] Yes, but it seems to exclude only a package name, not a package from a repository [16:31] wizard__ (n=wizard@wnpgmb01dc6-124-194.dynamic.mts.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:31] proc (i=alex@chello080109164030.tirol.surfer.at) joined #linuxhelp. [16:31] hi [16:31] those packages have the exactly the same name? [16:32] then are the same packages then the are both bugged.. [16:32] anyway I can't see anything else sry [16:32] I need the gl extension GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar but I don't have it (says my app and glxinfo). I'm using the dri drivers from the kernel. can I just install some package or do I have to use another driver? [16:32] plerkw: I just want to exclude a package from one repository and allow the other [16:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:37] gnubien (n=e@210.243.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:37] blahdebla1: thanks dude, really appreciated :) [16:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:40] zarluk (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] jaiden (n=jaiden@68-118-242-132.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:43] spike: Keep in mind shoregen is a bit old (based on Shorewall 2.0) - because it is working i haven't touched it in ages. Any patches appreciated. ;-) [16:44] AzianFlu (n=Yamabush@ip68-103-158-187.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [16:44] damn, opera doesnt support profiles, does it? [16:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:48] carlos (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) joined #linuxhelp. [16:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:51] carlos (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) left irc: Client Quit [16:52] carlos (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) joined #linuxhelp. [16:53] plerkw (n=plesr@87.202.217.61) left irc: [16:54] carlos (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] carlos (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) joined #linuxhelp. [16:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [16:56] spin12 (n=kvirc@CPE-144-136-226-187.wa.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [16:58] gm144 (n=gm@d150-235-113.home.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:59] wizard__ (n=wizard@wnpgmb01dc6-124-194.dynamic.mts.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [17:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:00] Writing user file... [17:00] Writing channel file... [17:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [17:02] keter_ (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:03] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:07] DarthYawg (n=darthyaw@tor/session/external/x-edf6a22ebdac6f80) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:07] setuid (i=japh@65.172.152.98) left irc: "This terminal has just gone to sleep." [17:08] DarthYawg (n=darthyaw@tor/session/external/x-81362a06a3490f6f) joined #linuxhelp. [17:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:12] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) joined #linuxhelp. [17:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:16] whieber (n=whieber@23-9.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:18] Anyone here? [17:19] Strange very strange [17:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:20] zzz ;) [17:21] gnubien can you lend a hand? [17:21] #ubuntu [17:22] Action: gnubien emails whieber a hand ;) [17:24] hey I am building and keep hitting a snag I have googled it and everything I find goes no where [17:24] Here is what I keep hitting: cd . && /bin/sh /usr/src/yoper/SOURCES/krpmbuilder-1.2/admin/missing --run automake-1.9 --gnu [17:24] configure.in:72: required file `doc/en/Makefile.in' not found [17:24] WARNING: `automake-1.9' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy on your [17:24] system. You might have modified some files without having the [17:24] proper tools for further handling them. Check the `README' file, [17:24] it often tells you about the needed prerequirements for installing [17:24] this package. You may also peek at any GNU archive site, in case [17:24] some other package would contain this missing `automake-1.9' program. [17:24] make: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1 [17:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:25] I know automake 1-9 is in the system I put it there myself and the path is correct? [17:25] hoarycripple (n=hoarycri@71.192.52.164) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:26] Keiz (n=Keizer@fl-65-40-44-65.sta.sprint-hsd.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:26] Hello [17:26] whieber: did you have to install any libs to run automake? [17:27] I reinstalled libtools over again just incase [17:27] whieber: ubuntu? [17:27] No Yoper 2.91 Beta 3 [17:28] everyone at Yoper is asleep right now [17:28] whieber: do you need to run ldconfig after installing a lib on yoper? [17:29] Yeah good point. I didn't do that. I hadn't had to do that since I was used to 2.2 [17:29] I'll try that [17:29] ok [17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:30] good idea but I still get the error aftter make. It says doc/en/Makefile.in is not found but I can see it? [17:30] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-109-068.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:31] whieber: compiling a source tarball? [17:31] yeah [17:32] krpmbuilder but mostly since I want to set it up to build again since its a fresh install of the new beta version [17:32] whieber: yoper is a beta version? [17:33] Since Andreas is with Novell/Suse now Tobias has been leading Yoper and this is his beta Blacksand version of Yoper 3.0 [17:34] ok, doc/en/Makefile.in is in the dir of the file your trying to compile? [17:34] yeah I can cat the file and all loks fine [17:34] molar (n=Molar@80-195-163-96.cable.ubr03.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:35] whieber: ok, is krpmbuilder the app that cant find doc/en/Makefile.in ? [17:36] I'm actually compiling from a tarball. And I am compiling krpmbuilder [17:36] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-098-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:36] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [17:37] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:37] spike (n=spike@unaffiliated/spike) left irc: "gone" [17:37] ok [17:37] rhett (n=heyrhett@cpe-72-177-11-82.austin.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:37] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) joined #linuxhelp. [17:37] anyone have a recipe to keep an ssh tunnel alive? [17:37] Hang on I'm trying something different I'll report in a second [17:38] whieber: ./configure issues that error for doc/en/Makefile.in ? [17:38] asdf25 (n=asdf25@71.241.234.200) left irc: "Leaving" [17:38] error happens after make install [17:38] ok [17:38] sorry it just happened after ./configure [17:38] whieber: make install has no errors? [17:39] I'll paste the last 4 lines of ./configure [17:39] whieber: woops, make has that error? [17:39] ok [17:39] checking if src should be compiled... yes [17:39] configure: creating ./config.status [17:39] config.status: creating ./Makefile [17:39] config.status: creating doc/Makefile [17:39] config.status: creating doc/en/Makefile [17:39] config.status: error: cannot find input file: doc/en/Makefile.in [17:39] bummer [17:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/114 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/114 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:40] whieber: tried: ./configure --help |less and read all the options? [17:40] no sweat pioneer just joined the yoper channel he also builds hes probably got the answer in a few minutes. Thanks for your help [17:40] ok [17:41] which distro do you nuse? [17:41] whieber: arch linux [17:42] Ive read good things about Arch [17:42] GiGaHuRtZ (n=GiGaHuRt@unaffiliated/gigahurtz) joined #linuxhelp. [17:42] whieber: yea, if you are a linux intermediate or geek then its a good distro [17:43] the new Yoper is a bit hard to describe but its great in some areas but still beta in others [17:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:47] pjv (n=pjv@cor8-ppp3290.bur.dialup.connect.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [17:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:50] Nick change: DarthYawg -> Yawgmoth7 [17:50] syntrx (n=matty@202-161-17-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:51] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:52] bye thanks for the help [17:52] whieber (n=whieber@23-9.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [17:56] Daedric (n=Daedric@bl5-212-210.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:59] Daedric (n=Daedric@bl5-211-43.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [18:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:00] carlos (n=carlos@193.126.36.236) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [18:00] OrTigaS (n=OrTigas@202.88.71.122) joined #linuxhelp. [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:01] hi! is anyone uses PCplus or Hyperterminal-like in LINUX? [18:03] RiotGeek_ (n=brad@c-65-96-191-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:04] nate_a (n=nate@c-66-229-210-187.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] how can i use my USB Bluetooth? [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:05] gm144 (n=gm@d150-235-113.home.cgocable.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:10] Punkcut (n=Punkcut@cpe-65-172-233-232.sanbrunocable.com) left irc: [18:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:18] munzir (n=munzir@86.60.37.88) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:18] RiotGeek_ (n=brad@c-65-96-191-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/113 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/113 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:26] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:26] RiotGeek (n=brad@pdpc/suporter/active/RiotGeek) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:26] idaho45 (n=john@200.84.241.198) left irc: Client Quit [18:27] pjv (n=pjv@cor8-ppp3290.bur.dialup.connect.net.au) left #linuxhelp. [18:29] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [18:29] Tcl error in script for 'timer144646': [18:29] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [18:29] sib (n=sibeleen@host86-137-49-140.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) joined #linuxhelp. [18:29] hello folks :) [18:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [18:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:31] amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) left irc: "leaving" [18:31] im sure you get alot of 'noobs' inhere asking stupid questions and eventhough there are only stupid answers (lol) i was wondering if any of you fine folks can direct me in the right direction (ive allready tried alt+ctrl+delete), I want to get into the illusive world of linux but i have no clue where to start :( ive heard of live cd's which allow you to run linux on top of your current winblowz platform, but im spoilt for [18:32] any advice? some version names for beginners? [18:32] I'm not wanting to be spoon fed, just be shown the right direction so that i can take on this enormous learning curve [18:33] ive heard of knoppix, or morphix, are those good to start off with? [18:33] yes, both of those are fine [18:33] :D [18:34] knoppix is a great starter, and it's useful even for seasoned admins [18:34] will i be able to in a way 'get behind the scenes' and feel comfortable in other versions if i start off with knoppix? [18:34] however, linux does not run on top of windows. those live cds are just that. you boot to them [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:35] yes. no. maybe. depends [18:36] shadow98 (n=bd@70-35-150-214.ironoh.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:36] ok, here is my current knowlege of linux..its not windows lol, so to get an idea of how linux works, maybe even purchase a book or two, will knoppix be sufficient? im a total beginner and have literally no clue what so ever, all i know is that i wana run linux cuz im tired of windows, i really really really really....am [18:36] hey guys i anyone on that wants to chat...and help me with a career decision [18:36] hlen (n=hlen@unaffiliated/hlen) left irc: Connection timed out [18:37] sib : then do it. live cds are a no-commitment solutions. you can experiment with linux, without ever installing it or risking damage to your current windows [18:37] sib: ubuntu [18:37] shadow98 : stay away from prostitution [18:37] i was considering it [18:38] excellent :D i shall be positive to go ahead with knoppix :) [18:38] hlen (n=hlen@unaffiliated/hlen) joined #linuxhelp. [18:38] sib : knoppix will definitely give you a lot to play with [18:38] cool ^_^ [18:38] sib : there's also mepis [18:38] shadow98 : so are you going to get to the point or not? [18:38] well i have an offer at a company that i used to work for 53 miles from my house for 13k more and then in 18 months 18k more than what im making now [18:38] i came accross this list a while ago, substantial choice i MUIST say! lol [18:38] http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php [18:39] i took this position in my hometown to come back here its with a larger company...and its a hospital with 2k employees and great benefits [18:39] craigbass1976 (n=craig@d-216-195-162-76.gwi.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:39] whats ubuntu? [18:39] but the environment sucks...and im dealing with small town politics...people getting jobs because of who they know and not what the know [18:39] sib : yet another linux distribution [18:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:40] sib: google it [18:40] *blush* im lazy [18:40] ahh i see [18:40] another version [18:40] shadow98 : advice #1: you will NEVER get away from politics. this time it will be small town politics. then it will be another kind of politics. you will never get away from it [18:40] :D [18:40] sib : if you're lazy, then linux is not for you [18:41] i will have to un-lazy, im too determined [18:41] shadow98 : advice #2: unless you plan on moving, commuting 106 miles every day sucks. [18:41] with my old company they respect me more...and what i know...vs this big company [18:41] shadow98 : what about benefits with the old company? extra 13k/yr may not mean much, if benefits suck [18:41] Such is the way of small businesses. My best job still was washing floors for a small contractor [18:42] well the health insurance is not as good..and they don't offer a pension [18:42] Right... [18:42] see, that 13k right there may result in 0 net gain for you [18:42] this hospitial is 500 million dollar company and been in business since 1895...vs my old company has only been in business since 1993 [18:42] and is 5 million [18:43] health insurance for employees of medical institutions is usually top notch [18:43] but i was thinking i could instead put more into a 401k than what im putting now with the extra income [18:43] 401k is not health insurance :) [18:44] yeah the annual deductible is 200/400 [18:44] don't substitute one for another [18:44] im not.... [18:44] that's one of the reasons why i stick with a state job. benefits rock [18:44] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:44] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/112 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/112 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:45] i also found out that the new CIO which i know and my mother knows...did not want me in there but my manager interviewed me this summer before he got on...and she wanted me it just took some time... [18:45] couple questions: a) how long were you with the old company, b) how long were you with the new company, c) what position did you hold at either? [18:45] muchly appreciate the advice ananke and shadow, i shall go and fire up my download rate ^_^ have a good one [18:45] sib : good luck [18:45] thank you :) [18:46] asdf25 (n=asdf25@71.241.234.200) joined #linuxhelp. [18:46] sib (n=sibeleen@host86-137-49-140.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) left #linuxhelp. [18:46] talking about cio, our is supposed to start in 1.5 months, we'll see what happens [18:46] hi! is anyone uses PCplus or Hyperterminal-like in LINUX? [18:46] hikenboot (n=hikenboo@c-24-218-84-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:46] i was with my old company for a yr and half....and i left to go to another company that was bigger with more servers and more learning experience...they offered me 7k more at the time...i started there at 42, went to 48....then went to new company at 55...but it was 66 mile one way trip [18:47] then i got this offer for 55 to come back to home town... [18:47] then i get an offer from my old company to come back for 68... [18:47] OrTigaS (n=OrTigas@202.88.71.122) left irc: "i'd rather be fishing!!!!!!!!!!.... see yea tom.......( tony © )" [18:47] Nick change: xp_ -> xp_away [18:47] hello all--can anyone point me to a document on migrating an iso file to a directory on the hard drive and chrooting into in order to edit the image..I have a pxes boot cd that I want to customize...any ideas? [18:47] and then 73 in 18 months [18:47] ok, you're confusing the shit out of me [18:48] i don't know where each company is anymore [18:48] in may of 2004 i started at my old company at 42k per year [18:48] then in october of 2005 they gave me a raise to 48 [18:48] then in november of 2005 i quit to go work for a larger company for 55k [18:49] asdf25 (n=asdf25@71.241.234.200) left irc: Client Quit [18:49] then just 2 wks ago i left that company to come home and work for the hospital for 55 [18:49] now i get a call from owner of first company that i started at 42 to come back at 68 [18:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:50] and then 73k in 18 months [18:50] so 20k increase from what you made when you left that company [18:50] either you're really good, or they're desperate [18:51] i would hope its that im really good [18:51] we're talking about 40% or so increase. not bad [18:51] almost too good to be true. then again, who knows [18:51] if i go back...i would have managed to increase my salary by 26k in 2 yrs [18:51] impressive [18:52] but i would have to tell you my story before that [18:52] its confusing too... [18:52] craigbass1976 (n=craig@d-216-195-162-76.gwi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:52] although, working for the hospital for 55k + benefits seem to be also very decent, unless you hate the job [18:53] in 2000 when i graduated i worked for a company in my home town as network admin making 40 but with overtime i usally made 50k....i hated it because of the politics...same small town shit that im dealing with now... [18:53] and setting aside salary, since obviously we're not talking about a choice between starving and barely surviving, you should pick what you like [18:53] well i quit to try and sell insurance.. [18:53] that did go anywhere.... [18:53] forevertheuni (n=forevert@87-196-50-74.net.novis.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [18:53] hi guys I really need help I'm using a nvidia card and I want to know if it's possible to run 2 X servers with 1 graphic card but one server with a xorg.conf1 and going to the vga card and a 2nd with xorg.conf2 and going to dvi-card [18:53] so i sold cars.... [18:53] I really didn't wanted to buy a PCI graphic card [18:54] I don't mind using 'nv' in one of the servers [18:54] that didn't work out..and i kept looking..and finally found that job for 42k... [18:54] Nick change: amrit|wrk -> amrit|afk [18:54] so it was kind of pay cut to be driving that far... [18:54] so i went down hill and the back up...to where i should be.. [18:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [18:55] i loved where i worked before [18:55] was the job decent? considering that you're at the beginning of your career, you also should think of what offers growth potential [18:55] i could come in when i wanted to...i could wear what i wanted to...and people respected my abilities [18:55] at the same time, don't forget to work on your retirement. the sooner you start doing 401k/403b/whatever, the better [18:56] yeah i had to cash what i started in 2000 when i graduated to survive when i sold insurance and cars...it was a ruff time in my life..one of the stupidist things i have ever done... [18:56] now im on the rebound [18:57] see this job i have in my home town is like a down grade [18:57] i took it to just get in knowing positions were going to open up....and they are..but the CIO that doesn't like me is not going to move me up... [18:58] you've been there for only 2 weeks [18:58] that is where the poltics come in...he wanted one of his good old boys to get my job...and was pissed that they gave it to me [18:58] so he made sure he got on..one way or another...he gave hims a systems analyst position that he is not qualified for [18:59] that sucks [18:59] i know but he came from the very first company that i worked for....and that is what i quit...they did shit like this [18:59] i thought this was going to be a great oppurtunity... [19:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:00] Writing user file... [19:00] Writing channel file... [19:00] im doing desktop shit...havented touched exchange, sql, iis or anything.. [19:00] its killing me.. [19:00] they are opening up 7 full time positions...one of them is a system engineer...and he already said he has someone in mind for it [19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [19:01] so im afraid im stuck...and im not sure what to do.. [19:01] but here is the other thing...my manager and the guys i work with hate him...so i don't know if he is going to last [19:01] that blows. would CIO be the immediate supervisor of the system egineer? [19:01] no [19:01] my manager would be... [19:01] i told her my concerns... [19:02] then he should have no power over who gets hired for it [19:02] but she said she needs her job just as much as i need mine...so i doubt she is going to fight much [19:02] i hire my own sys admins. it's not ceo's responsibility, nor business [19:02] but she did say she had to fight a little to bet me in there [19:02] bet = get [19:03] im just afraid of what might happen [19:03] and im afraid to let my old company's offer slip out [19:03] yeah, doesn't sound too healthy [19:03] and be stuck.. [19:03] sleep on it [19:04] because if i let it go..and i try to get back into the larger city now..they are going to look at my application and resume and think im crazy [19:04] jumping between jobs NEVER looks good [19:04] if i try to go to another company that is... [19:04] so im totally confused... [19:04] go stick it out for a couple years in one place. and if that would be your old company, where you enjoyed working, then it will be good [19:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:05] one thing i look for on resumes for my candidates is their work history. did they jump around? if so, why did they? [19:05] yeah i really liked it there.... [19:05] yeah mine would look really bad right now....i don't think i could get a job anywhere else... [19:06] this hospital is the only really IT oppurtunity in my small town... [19:06] whatever i do...i need to stay for at least 5 years... [19:06] it would be hard. considering you haven't had a solid few years of IT only experience, you would have to rely on luck to get through HR departments, and then shine during the interviews [19:07] at least 3 or so. it really would help your career in the future [19:07] yeah i know..i have had a total of 6 yrs now in june of IT but not solid..the first 3 were solid... [19:07] now its just been crazy getting back into the game [19:08] and confusing... [19:08] ohh, the neverending fun :) [19:08] what would you do considering what i have presented to you [19:08] Action: ananke is in a process of writing his new position description [19:09] how stable would the job be at your old company? what are the chances of staying there for 5 years, and is there an opportunity to grow? [say, you don't want to do help desk for next 5 years] [19:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:11] it would be pretty stable...they have made it through the ruff years i think it was 2002 and 2003.... [19:11] Well, that's one thing that company has going for them, ananke is the one handling applicants as opposed to some bogus psuedo-competent HR kid.\ [19:11] 'roof' :) [19:11] i would be managing exchange servers, iis, sql, backups... [19:11] dns [19:12] unix_infidel : HR was told to forward us ALL of the applications. they sometimes try to be smart, and inject comments 'ohh, this pool has a couple good candidates, and this one is most likely no', but that's all we let them do [19:12] shadow98 : if that's what you like to do, then go for it [19:13] Its their nature, they're trained to "sometimes try to be smart", aka "psuedo-competent". [19:13] shadow98 : so far all i see is pros: better pay [although lesser benefits], better work environment, more advanced position/duties, hell, take that old job [19:14] unix_infidel : i should mention, that i work for a state government. beaurocracy up the wazoo [19:14] yeah im thinking that is the best choice.. [19:14] i think in the long run the experience im gaining won't be able to be beat [19:14] ananke: touche, but civil service in most cases equals job security. [19:14] plus im going to be finishing my MBA in the next year.. [19:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:15] and they are going to pay for my MS certs..which the hospital is not going to do.. [19:15] unix_infidel : yes, that definitely is a plus. not to mention benefits. however, i may be facing losing some of that job security soon [19:15] they want me to learn some software the nobody has every heard of.. [19:15] shadow98 : definitely. take the old job. career development is important, and employer should be footing the bill [19:16] ananke: Making yourself a commodity is part of the game, you cease to do that, you lose, period. [19:16] i mean right now the way it looks i don't know what im going to be able to put on my resume that anyone in the real world would care about.. [19:16] I have discovered inside my pxes iso file a file called pxes.img I suspect this is the actual image which could be customized...after mounting the Iso file I can see the pxes.img file but when I in turn try and mount the pxes.img file with mount -o loop1 -t ext2 pxes.img /pxes.img I get mount: pxes.img is not a block device..any ideas? [19:16] unix_infidel : ohh, they started to realize that i'm valuable, and hard to replace. [19:18] unix_infidel : problem is in the system that's here. you have two classes of employees: classified staff [more secure jobs, well defined roles, slower salary adjustments] and research faculty [better benefits, less job security, higher salaries] [19:18] well i just sent my old manager and email....he was supposed to call me on Monday.... [19:18] hopefully the offer still stands..hehehe [19:18] now, i came in as a classified staff, and they got me for VERY cheap. so it got to the point, that they can't adjust me fast enough, to pay me for what i'm worth. so now they're finding out, that they can't find skilled sys admins to work under me, because those people want to get paid more than i make [19:19] shadow98 : good luck [19:19] anake: how old are you? [19:19] shadow98 : 28 [19:19] cool..im 26 [19:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/111 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/111 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:20] shadow98 : the sad part is that i make less than you do, and i potentially have more advanced responsibilities :) [19:20] Keiz (n=Keizer@fl-65-40-44-65.sta.sprint-hsd.net) left irc: " Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [19:20] ananke: what state? [19:20] unix_infidel : virginia [19:20] ananke: thats crazy....they want to eventually according to the owner put a few engineers under me...and make my manager the CIO... [19:21] hell, when the cio candidate, whom we interviewed recently [and who decided to work for us] heard how much i make, he choked [19:21] so that will help to...make me more rounded and the MBA will help to... [19:21] shadow98 : definitely. degrees + experience = great way to advance your career [19:21] thanks so much for listening to my confusing career and life [19:21] heheh [19:22] hehe [19:22] I'm actually consdering a career in IT, my background is in Microbiology/Virology, but pharmaceutical companies are always looking for nerds to manage databases, create programs that interpret qualitative diagnotics, etc. [19:22] well i had to take a 30k loan out...to pay people back...when i sold insurance and cars [19:22] diagnostics* [19:22] i almost lost my house it was a rough time in my life [19:22] TheBonsai_ (n=bonsai@p54937D14.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] prety big set back...so im rebounding now.. [19:23] so who wants to play a game: guess how much i make, as a senior systems administrator who manages two clusters, 30 or so unix servers, linux/solaris/aix, tivoli storage manager, ibm enterprise storage server, ibm lto library, san, linux workstations, tons of various software, etc... [19:23] 48k [19:23] unix_infidel : uhmm, do i have to smack you? [19:23] shadow98 : guess again. cold [19:23] 55 [19:23] shadow98 : colder [19:23] 45 [19:23] ananke: 1) 80k 2) pray tell porque? [19:24] shit, you're all way off. 36k [19:24] your crazy [19:24] nope. [19:24] now you see why they have a hard time finding people to work under me, and why the cio choked [19:24] TheBonsai_ (n=bonsai@p549375F4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:24] i made 40k my last year of school and went to school full time [19:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/110 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/110 b/26 e/- I/-] [19:25] but worked 7 days a week [19:25] Well you have to consider cost of living in Virginia vs. where you live first of all. [19:25] unix_infidel : regarding #2: you have the rare thing: you have a combination of two different fields, which at this point happen to be very hot [19:25] shadow98 : last year i was making 32k [19:25] unix_infidel : blacksburg, virginia. [virginia tech]. no, the cost of living is not that low [19:25] its time for a raise [19:26] unix_infidel : in fact, we may even have jobs already that would fit you [19:26] im sure you would get it if you asked [19:26] you do have great benefits though right? [19:26] ananke: right o', but I have higher aspirations. I always know I have a fall back point if I, "get into trouble"... [19:27] shadow98 : we've been bitching for quite some time. my boss, who was making probably around 45k [he was the it manager], finally quit last week. he now works for a project based in california, he's working from home, making double that [19:27] shadow98 : yes, very decent benefits [19:27] setuid (i=japh@gnu-designs.com) joined #linuxhelp. [19:27] plonk! [19:27] Action: setuid is trying to figure out this damn cooling [19:27] unix_infidel : https://www.vbi.vt.edu/careers/ [19:28] ananke: I've owned a family business for over 10 years, and I currently make 50k. [19:28] yeah i think its time for you to ask for a raise or look for something better [19:28] fyi, I'm 19 [19:28] still incompetent, still young. *shrug* [19:28] shadow98 : yeah, they're 'working on it'. that's why they may be changing me from classified staff to research faculty rank [19:28] You've owned a family business since you were 9? [19:28] since in the classified system, they cannot possibly advance my salary fast enough [19:29]