[00:00] Writing user file... [00:00] Writing channel file... [00:00] gentoothreefour (n=Unknown@ppp-71-136-69-238.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [00:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/27 e/- I/-] [00:10] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:10] v`laptop (n=soulfoo@adsl-072-148-066-083.sip.mco.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [00:11] so i've got this box that can only boot from its internal hard drive. i can remove the HD and connect it to another machine by usb for initialization. is there a straightforward way to set up a bootable hard disk image, given that i have the dvd iso available? [00:12] actually once i can boot the box, i guess i can use askmethod to access the iso from an external drive [00:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/27 e/- I/-] [00:15] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-69-149-35-106.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "WTF is wrong with this th i &*% thingggg n00w8(^%" [00:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/27 e/- I/-] [00:29] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:29] uniplex (n=uniplex@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [00:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [00:32] Sonderblade (n=muh@host-213.131.147.169.addr.tdcsong.se) joined #linuxhelp. [00:32] jonx (n=Jonx@s226-96.resnet.ucla.edu) left irc: Client Quit [00:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [00:48] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [00:48] phr (n=phr@adsl-70-231-129-124.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). 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[02:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [02:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [02:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [02:31] alnr (n=alan@cpe-69-200-85-107.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:32] tyler (i=1001@cm203.omega19.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [02:32] boosi (n=beezee@c211-30-155-131.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [02:32] n0dl (n=n0dl@pool-71-104-15-126.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined #linuxhelp. [02:32] hey guys, what command to use to pass std output to a file? [02:32] is there a way to "make uninstall" [02:32] or in otherwords undo a make install? [02:34] boosi: echo string >> filename.extension [02:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/27 e/- I/-] [02:35] i.e. echo hello world >> document.txt [02:35] boosi, from a bash like shell, just redirect the output using the '>' poperator, eg echo Hello World > foobar.txt [02:35] I'm having trouble getting an nfs client to see a server. On client, rpcinfo -p myserver just times out trying to reach portmapper. server hosts.allow and firewall are set up ok to allow the client. any ideas? [02:35] n0dl, if your Makefile does not support it, unfortunately the odds are bad. [02:36] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [02:36] Tcl error in script for 'timer1482399': [02:36] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [02:36] guys, this command doesn't work, tail -n 1 -f /var/log/secure | grep -i fail &> file.txt and also using tee does not work... :\ [02:36] revil: aaa i c [02:36] n0dl, you could use checkinstall or similar softwware. [02:36] boosi: there should be a space after the ampersand [02:36] tail -n 1 -f /var/log/secure | grep -i fail & > file.txt [02:37] try that [02:37] you would have to rerun the make install from within checkinstall. It would log all the files that the installation writes, and make a .tgz for slackware pkgtools. You could then use this .tgz to reverse the instalation [02:37] i dont think the follow option works as intended there though [02:37] nver mind [02:37] brb [02:38] n0dl (n=n0dl@pool-71-104-15-126.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:38] rarman1 (n=rar-man_@206-248-139-60.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #linuxhelp. [02:38] n0dl: that wont work...that will just run that command in the background [02:38] and not write to file.txt [02:38] ok he's gone [02:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/27 e/- I/-] [03:00] Last message repeated 4 time(s). [03:00] Writing user file... [03:00] Writing channel file... [03:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... 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[04:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [04:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [04:07] anyone can help me? [04:07] nope [04:08] tyler : you expect us to read your mind? [04:09] i got gift p2p running but since i shutdown without properly doing it... seems to get this error: bash-3.00$ giftd [04:09] tyler giftd: share_db.c:331: rec_rdfinish: Assertion `rec->offs == rec->len' failed. [04:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:09] ananke~~ [04:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [04:10] contact the authors of gift [04:12] rarman1 (n=rar-man_@206-248-139-60.dsl.teksavvy.com) left #linuxhelp. [04:12] gnubien (n=e@67.8.146.155) joined #linuxhelp. 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[04:26] ZeeGeek : use anything but dd. use cp, rsync, afio, cpio, tar, whatever. don't use dd [04:26] ananke: I'm trying to move / of my Fedora Core 5 to a bigger partition, but I couldn't find a tool which supports the selinux extended attributes, and someone suggested me use dd [04:27] selinux is a good point. Otherwise cp -a is about perfect [04:27] rsync may. also, you should be able to copy your / while using it. [04:27] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12.210.122.86) joined #linuxhelp. [04:27] ananke: so the only thing I can do now is to delete this partition and recreate it? [04:28] ZeeGeek : yes. and don't use that before [04:28] wtf, that didn't make any sense :) [04:28] don't use that again :) [04:28] ananke: lol [04:28] ananke: okay, thank you. and hope dd hasn't broken my other partitions near it [04:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [04:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [04:32] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [04:32] Tcl error in script for 'timer1486753': [04:32] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [04:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [04:39] overlimit (i=1000@87.202.206.209) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:39] ZeeGeek (n=ZeeGeek@dmh170.resnet.ust.hk) left irc: "copy partition" [04:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [04:43] aristocrat (n=aristocr@125.16.129.16) left irc: "Leaving" [04:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [04:49] uniplex (n=uniplex@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) joined #linuxhelp. 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[05:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [05:11] spencerk (n=spencerk@69.158.100.33) joined #linuxhelp. [05:12] will the partition manager in the deb installer resize ntfs? [05:12] if not, is there a free ntfs resizer for windows around? [05:12] spencerk: I don't think that's at all possible in linux [05:13] shinobi2 (i=1000@usrns22.dialup.hawaii.edu) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:13] Zider, is there something i can do besides try to pirate powerquest? [05:14] have no idea, I haven't had any windows related partitions for months [05:14] thanks [05:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [05:15] I thought windows could do that with the tools included tho [05:17] Nick change: ml1 -> ml666 [05:19] ya, fdisk? [05:19] "disk manager" or whatever they call it [05:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [05:20] ill check it out [05:24] spencerk (n=spencerk@69.158.100.33) left irc: [05:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [05:25] TipTap (n=jon@noc.mistral.net) joined #linuxhelp. [05:29] metanick (n=Unknown@66.187.230.200) joined #linuxhelp. [05:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [05:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [05:33] Anarch (n=w3@elrond.hsl.washington.edu) left irc: "leaving" [05:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [05:40] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:40] spike (n=spike@adsl-77-143.36-151.net24.it) joined #linuxhelp. [05:44] usn_work (n=usn@p54932F6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #linuxhelp. [05:44] tatters (n=chatzill@cpc3-derb5-0-0-cust578.leic.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [05:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [05:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:50] enigmaa (i=enigmaa@cpe-67-10-31-163.houston.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:53] my Load Averages is 4.82 3.84 2.18 what kin dof load average is acceptable? [05:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [05:55] is there anyway to convert those numbers to give a percentage of total load on PC [05:55] it all depends on your cpu.. I believe the load average is number of processes that is queued to get cpu time or something [05:58] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:59] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:00] Writing user file... [06:00] Writing channel file... [06:00] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) left irc: "Leaving" [06:00] I am used to something like task manager in windows to get overview of system state , I absolutly no idea what those number mean, I googled it for while but it seems I need a degree in math [06:00] metanick (n=Unknown@66.187.230.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [06:01] well, using 'top' you can see how many percent cpu is used at the moment [06:01] the average load is over a 5, 10 and 15 minutes time or something I believe [06:02] do I jsut type "top"or i sthat a package? [06:02] yes, just type top [06:02] "The load average numbers give the average number of jobs in the run queue over the last 1, 5, and 15 minutes. (These three time periods may vary from one vendor's Unix system to another, but are usually 1, 5 and 15 minutes.) In other words, the n-minute load average is the number of processes competing for the attention of the CPU(s) at any moment, averaged over n minutes." [06:03] spike_ (n=spike@adsl-77-143.36-151.net24.it) joined #linuxhelp. [06:03] metanick (n=Unknown@training-nat-pool-bos.redhat.com) joined #linuxhelp. [06:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:05] Romster2 (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-2efdd7861a375a4c) joined #linuxhelp. [06:05] Zider: thnx that "top" is more understandable [06:06] :D [06:09] Romster (n=romster@tor/session/external/x-aa9d7c8de8f4c7f4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:10] hmm I pretty much maxed out from what I can tell, I am using 50% swap space,, and 97% mem [06:11] hum.. better kill some big applications then.. :) [06:11] and buy more ram [06:11] in top M to sort by memory usage and P by cpu usage.... in most vers of top anyway.... h for help [06:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:15] btw Zider... too late coz now he's gone but qtparted can resize ntfs afaik but just not recommended... [06:16] under linux that is [06:18] aboman (i=aboman@unaffiliated/aboman) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:18] spike (n=spike@adsl-77-143.36-151.net24.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:19] awol: oh? [06:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:20] it's a qt gui frontend for parted -- partition editor [06:20] qtparted is standard on knoppix these days [06:20] just fyi [06:21] dru-b (n=admin@CPE-58-166-141-72.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #linuxhelp. [06:22] hey ne1 there? [06:22] and of course.... always backup yer data and defrag at least twice before resizing.... [06:22] ZeeGeek (n=ZeeGeek@dmh170.resnet.ust.hk) joined #linuxhelp. [06:22] dru-b: nope. they all left.... [06:22] awol: so can parted do it as well? or is ot just qtparted? [06:23] parted can do it but it's just a command line tool... and not suitable/recommended for n00b's is all [06:23] ok new to fedora got sick of windows need help with core4 64bit? [06:24] dru-b: you wont find enough apps available in 64 bit versions to make it worth running 64 bit linux yet [06:24] if you was gunna backup your data , that assumes you have a spare drive partiton, then might as well copy over destroy the partiton and make a bigger one anyway rather than resizing [06:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:25] having said that... you will find some... and others will need compiling.... but there will also be 32 bit only vers that wont run on 64 bit systems..... [06:25] bottom line... stay with 32 bit for stability [06:25] ok just need help with help guides for it the ones that come with it dont really teach me much and i am a new user to linux where could i read up about such information? [06:26] there's just not enough 64 bit ready apps to make it worthwhile from what i've heard [06:26] dru-b: go to www.fedorafaq.org [06:26] that's a good start [06:26] thx [06:26] and www.tldp.org for general linux knowledge [06:27] I copied my current Fedora core 5 to a bigger partition using rsync -avSx. then I tried to boot into it, I then had the error of being not able to start X and I couldn't login in console (it went back to the login screen after I typed the password) [06:27] oh dear... that's not a ideal way to duplicate a system [06:28] symlinks and stuff may not match or point to the right location etc... [06:28] awol: oh, so I missed an option to rsync? [06:29] use a rescue disk (CD1) to boot yer system and run passwd command to reset passwords and run system-config-xorg to reconfigure X [06:29] ZeeGeek: well i dunno about that...i wouldn't choose rsync in the first place [06:29] I not tried a full restore yet but I been using bacula for linux and win backups both can do bare metal recovery, [06:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [06:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:30] awol: what's the better tool to do this? [06:30] awol: I might wanna do it all over [06:30] i've used tar hundreds of times to duplicate systems tho.... with my own shell script i created just for the purpose [06:30] I like norton ghost on windows though very good and g4u for linux [06:30] is it possible to reliably access over 2TB partition in 32 bit linux or do I need 64-bit? [06:30] tatters: that's not a "linux" tool... [06:31] awol: yeah, I wanted to use that, too. However, Fedora core 5 came with selinux which has the extended attributes [06:31] g4u is [06:31] awol: and I don't wanna loose those attributes on copying [06:31] ZeeGeek: one big reason i stopped using fedora.... i use debian now [06:31] awol: lol, I've just switched from Debian to Fedora [06:32] i love debian... it's flexibility and configurability cant be beat [06:32] i've used debian on embedded systems too [06:32] 16,000 apps is another good reason to use debian... more than any other distro [06:32] I love gentoo.. excpet for the compile times on slow cpus.. ;) [06:33] awol: well, what brought me to fedora was its newer version of apps [06:33] Gentoo is cool, too [06:33] awol: 16,000 apps whose 10,000 useless ones as ppl volunteered just to get an emil @debian.org [06:33] first time I tried linux was cpl of months, I found Ubuntu to be a good gateway drug [06:33] newer != better [06:34] how can an application be useless..? [06:34] spike_: not quite that many.... [06:34] yeah, that's true, sometimes more unstable. [06:34] MetaCosm (n=rmelton@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/MetaCosm) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:35] is there anyway that I can copy my partition properly? [06:35] Zider: your_granpa_fav_card_game is a useless package [06:35] there's a lot of useless to home users type apps in debian tree... like the human genome project or vet surgery accounting software [06:35] but i dont count that as a bad thing [06:35] dru-b (n=admin@CPE-58-166-141-72.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:36] ZeeGeek: cp or dd perhaps.... [06:36] spike_: if someone uses it, I don't see how it can be useless [06:36] ZeeGeek: but dont copy things like /proc or /sys or /tmp [06:36] awol: the two partitions are in different sizes, so dd might not be good for this [06:36] i'm not a fan of cloning machines tho..... [06:37] i'd prefer to recommend fresh installs and copying configs [06:37] ZeeGeek: dd can copy file systems too [06:37] size wont matter then [06:37] ZeeGeek: I believe I used cp -ax / last time I copied a system partition [06:38] awol: yeah, I might reinstall if there's no better copy solution [06:38] < awol> ZeeGeek: dd can copy file systems too <--- uh? [06:38] ya gotta exclude dir's like /proc tho [06:38] Zider: it preserves the selinux attributes? [06:38] awol: -x means stay on one file syste, [06:38] spike_: you didn't know? [06:38] ZeeGeek: -a should preserve all attributes afaik [06:39] Zider: aight, I'll give it a try [06:39] awol: I didnt [06:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:40] this is the forth time I make a copy on the partition today [06:40] awol: I dont see how it's gonna copy your partition table and the like if not by doing a low level byte-by-byte copy [06:41] he didn't want to copy the partition table.... just the files [06:41] I thought he wanted to clone a system... which includes partition table/bootloader etc [06:41] dd if=/some/files of=/some/place/to/put/them is perfectly valid [06:42] spike_: oh, no, I just want to coyp my / from the smaller partition to a bigger one [06:42] of course he'd need to edit things like /etc/fstab and any other files that refer to partitions [06:43] awol: I tried it, it'll make the target partition exactly the same as the original one, including the size. [06:43] awol: however, the partition table was not changed, so there was a mismatch [06:43] only if you do if=/dev/hda3 [06:43] not if yoyu specify file system targets [06:43] awol: oh, yeah, I used /dev/hda3 [06:44] mount both source and destination and then copy files instead of partitions [06:44] awol: I c [06:44] Wuffi600 (n=florian@mail.medent.de) joined #linuxhelp. [06:44] hi. [06:44] my hdd is working like mad, hoiw can i see what process is doing that? [06:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:45] however as i said.... i use tar [06:45] awol: okay [06:45] sorin_: top, ps [06:45] awol: I used to use tar when I used Debian [06:45] how can start a command instead of locking the screen when using xscrensaver? (I'd like to run xtrlock) [06:45] awol, thanks [06:46] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Caught sigterm, terminating..." [06:46] uniplex (n=uniplex@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) left irc: "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" [06:46] tar czlvf archive.tar.gz `echo * | sed 's/mnt\|tmp\|proc\|dev//g'` [06:47] is how i do it.... [06:47] aight [06:47] thanx [06:48] Wuffi600: provide more info.... how do you start X? what window manager? etc.... probably with your session management tools tho [06:49] infidel (n=kvirc@adsl-216-63-174-63.dsl.elpstx.swbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:49] mako-sam1 (i=1000@82.194.41.171) joined #linuxhelp. [06:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:50] i need some help seeing if my swap is working [06:50] "working"? [06:50] 'free' tells you if you have swap or not :P [06:50] yeah it doesn't seemed to be using any file space [06:50] and how much [06:51] swap is on its own partition.. unless you've solved it differently.. [06:51] Swap: 489972 0 489972 [06:51] yeah it's on /dev/hda2 [06:52] ok then, it's active at least [06:52] i guess that's a start [06:52] I guess you'd have to fill your physical ram first to see if the swap actually works [06:52] awol: i start "xscreensaver" as the user who logs in (the xscreensaver splashscreen is visible for a few seconds and disapears then. Locking works but i'd like to use xtrlock instead of the xscreensaver-graphics) [06:52] but there's no reason for it not to I guess [06:53] Wuffi600: then ya need to find out what starts xscreensaver and why.,... [06:54] ya haven't told me anything useful so i can help you... [06:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [06:55] ok let me start from the begining, i just installed suse 10.1 and installed the ati drivers for my video card, it works for a short time then reboots the system under heavy load i guess. everything seems to be working fine but i never see any activity on the swap drive, and sometimes the pc churns alot like a run away process [06:56] it's probably something to do with the driver setup though but i'd like to eliminate the swap drive [06:56] infidel: grep "swap" /etc/* [06:56] awol: there is this wonderful program "xtrlock" that locks the screen like xlock does. How can i configure that xtrlock is run if the machine is without keyboard- or mouse-input for 10 Minutes? is xscreensaver suitable or sould i use another program? [06:56] take out ram and see if it starts using swap [06:56] awol: 1 module [06:57] maybe i just have a bad video card??? [06:57] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [06:58] Wuffi600: well afaik xlock can run other apps too.... however.... it still depends on a number of variables you aint telling me.... [06:58] awol: X ist started via: "x :1 & sleep 1 ; export DISPLAY=:1 ; xscreensaver &" [06:58] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [06:58] Wuffi600: I use xautolock to start screen savers after a certain time of inactivity [06:58] infidel: swap mounted in fstab? swap on cmd in init scripts at boot up? [06:59] Zider: seems to be a good hint. let me look for xautolock ... thank you. [06:59] Wuffi600: you type that manually to start X as a second instance? [06:59] gnubien: it's in the fstab [06:59] deego (n=user@63.126.179.162) joined #linuxhelp. [06:59] awol: the line is in my runx.sh located in ~/ . [07:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [07:00] Writing user file... [07:00] Writing channel file... [07:00] awol: yes, as a second instance [07:00] heh... ya could just use arguments to the startx program to do exactly the same thing.... perhaps better... [07:00] Action: awol shrugs [07:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [07:01] spart (n=spart@38.99.149.129) joined #linuxhelp. [07:02] I'm Show Desktop.scf. [07:02] ... sorry kvm randomly hits my right mouse button [07:02] mako-sama (i=1000@84.255.134.4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:02] infidel: cat /proc/swaps [07:03] I'm looking at getting DSL , anyone know what the advantage is of going with a non-pppoe solution (connect to their wan) over regular pppoe dsl? Price dif looks to be about double [07:03] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-128-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/125 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/125 b/27 e/- I/-] [07:05] sonasks (n=aaa@217.153.147.246) joined #linuxhelp. [07:06] is there a way to transfer the users from one system to another keeping the passwords unchanged ?? [07:07] sonasks : transfer the appropriate entries from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow [07:07] in addition, /etc/group [07:08] and that`s all ?? [07:08] yes [07:08] and if i copy the directories, kjeeping the permissions that will work to ? [07:08] What's a good way to keep files on two servers synchronized? Only one will have its contents change, and I would like to only have the new files/changes copied over. [07:09] directories have nothing to do with passwords [07:09] dumbhack : rsync [07:09] ok, but i want to save the permissions too [07:09] sonasks : permissions are not ownerships [07:09] sonasks : depends how you copy the directories [07:09] anake: thanks :) [07:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/27 e/- I/-] [07:10] i plan to use rsync [07:10] with apropriate switches [07:10] sonasks : then everything will be fine [07:10] ok [07:10] simple -a switch does it [07:10] cool [07:11] also, I want to keep file backups with incremental changes so that I can roll back to previous days, etc. How can I do that? Is there some way to integrate RCS into the FS? [07:11] dumbhack : currently, no. [07:13] ananke: is there an option that would allow me to easily keep backups with that sort of rollback? [07:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/126 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/126 b/27 e/- I/-] [07:16] dumbhack : option in what? rsync? no [07:17] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Caught sigterm, terminating..." [07:18] Wuffi600 (n=florian@mail.medent.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:18] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [07:18] <_sho_> it doesnt work [07:18] <_sho_> sigh [07:18] <_sho_> i tried [07:18] <_sho_> DOH [07:19] ZeeGeek (n=ZeeGeek@dmh170.resnet.ust.hk) left irc: "done copying, trying to reboot into it" [07:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [07:21] ananke: So you can't think of any program that can let me do that? [07:22] dumbhack : nope. 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[07:27] dumbhack: there's a link with "applications that use FUSE", it's listed there [07:28] Development Status: 1 - Planning, 3 - Alpha [07:28] last update on 2004. ouch [07:28] OTOH I dont really use it on productions systems as I dont need "a program that can let me do that". centralization with an RCS + rsync + some scripts in cron does what I need and it's "stables" [07:29] stabler* [07:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [07:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [07:30] everytime i run a 3d game my system reboots, i have a ati radeon 9200 series card and am using the latest ati fglrx driver, i need some help please [07:30] I think that I might have RCS installed on the same server, and every night check everything in and out again. What do you think? [07:30] <_sho_> have you checked heat issues? [07:30] infidel : yeah. get an nvidia card. [07:31] ananke: i can always count on you [07:31] <_sho_> i dont know why people by those ati pieces of trash anyway [07:31] <_sho_> infidel, check to see if its a heat issue [07:31] dumbhack: that we need more details if you want an opinion that doesnt sux [07:31] <_sho_> those cards produce a lot more heat under load; my box used to spontaneously reheat with my 6600gt till i stuck four more fans in it [07:31] _sho_: if it were a driver issue how could i check it? [07:32] <_sho_> by getting a better piece of hardware thats properly supported? [07:32] Action: _sho_ loves the ati beta testers :) [07:32] infidel : try another os, such as windows. if it works, it's the driver. if it doesn't, then _sho_ may be right about the heat [07:32] all right [07:32] _sho_ is always rights when it comes to hot stuff :P [07:33] right* [07:33] expecially hot noodles :) [07:33] spike_: I'm running a samba server. I need backups, obviously, in case the system crashes. But sometimes users will also need a file they accidentally deleted two weeks ago. In that case, I'd want to be able to get the file. At the same time, I'd like to conserve disk space. It doesn't make sense for me to make a full backup every night. [07:33] <_sho_> muhahaha [07:33] <_sho_> man, i almost got in a fist fight with the small business representative yesterday [07:33] <_sho_> she was bitchy... came in with bad attitude. almost left in a casket [07:33] dumbhack: that's why they invented a thing called "incremental" backups [07:33] dumbhack : so invest time/efffort/possibly money into a decent backup system [07:34] and yeah, use incremental backups [07:34] i guess i should put the sides back on my case then huh? [07:34] <_sho_> dumbhack: use smbtar [07:34] <_sho_> you can write an idiot proof backupscript that uses smbtar in perl in like, 20 lines or less [07:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [07:35] or you can use one of the many good backup floss solutions like backupninja or backuppc and save yourself the hassle of those 20 lines of perl [07:35] <_sho_> backupninja... [07:35] Action: _sho_ googles [07:35] and about the idiot proof, let's rememer the say "dont try to build anything idiot proof because if you do god will just come up with a better idiot" [07:36] infidel (n=kvirc@adsl-216-63-174-63.dsl.elpstx.swbell.net) left irc: "KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'" [07:36] <_sho_> spike, you drunk today? :) [07:36] _sho_: today as any other day :) [07:36] I'd rather use USB drives instead of tapes, in the interests of speed (recovery speed) [07:36] spart (n=spart@38.99.149.129) left irc: "BitchX: for distribution only with a new PC" [07:37] dumbhack: that's not an issue, those backup solutions I mentioned actually do not support tapes, just disks [07:37] of course the problems with discs Vs tapes for backups are known, think of pros/cons and take your risks [07:38] that's what you're paid for anyway (or supposed to when you say "I'm running a... server") [07:38] dumbhack : nobody suggested tapes, although there are plenty of very speedy tape drives [07:38] the LTO technology is probably faster than an average usb drive [07:39] Is there any reasonable way of giving someone a Windows GUI (Windows app or web-based) for navigating incremental backups? [07:39] dumbhack : depends on the backup software. [07:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [07:41] dumbhack: bacula has a wonderful windows client, but it takes some time to implement the server side [07:41] Grommet (n=grommet@12.223.138.29) left irc: "make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop." [07:41] dumbhack: the best trade-off for small setups is offered by the already mentioned backuppc, which offers a web interface [07:41] dumbhack: users can comfortably download files from http, in zipped archive, single files, or whatever they please [07:42] dumbhack: and before you ask the next question, take the time to look at what alredy suggested, it's quite lame/annoying to ask for help and not look into answers. 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[07:55] _sho_: I dont think I needed to, as it's standardly ran as apache DSO, so standalone is without apache installed [07:55] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:55] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@mail.responsum.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:56] <_sho_> spike_: you still arent clear [07:57] <_sho_> how can an apache module be run without apache? [07:58] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [08:00] Writing user file... [08:00] Writing channel file... [08:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [08:01] what about you missing knowledge about this subject rather than me not explaining myself? [08:01] intrr (n=intrr@time.instinctive.de) joined #linuxhelp. [08:01] from their homepage: "Operating as an Apache Web server module or standalone, the purpose of ModSecurity is to increase web application security" [08:01] <_sho_> yeah, thats what im saying. i see absolutely no way how it could operate without apache [08:02] _or standalone_ [08:02] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:02] <_sho_> Zider: maybe you are daft. i assume so. spike says, how do you run it standalone (without apache). i say, what are you smoking, i see no way at all that is possible [08:03] this is a no smoking area, but drinks are allowed :P [08:03] <_sho_> ah. [08:03] I assume it can be installed either as its own executable program or as an apache module. not that ther module itself are run standalone. [08:04] <_sho_> spike, its not standalone. for clarification, its for use "standalone" as part of an apache proxy [08:04] <_sho_> t can work embedded in Apache, or as a standalone security device when configured to work as part of an Apache-based reverse proxy. [08:04] ah, that's what I was missing then [08:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [08:05] <_sho_> yeah. i had vaguely thought you could use it as its own re engine or some such [08:05] it's not clear in that statement, at least it wasnt for me (and that's exactly what I asked about btw) [08:05] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:05] <_sho_> to me, thats still not standalone, since it still requires some input from apache [08:05] exactly [08:05] <_sho_> haha, i even found a link that quotes standalone [08:08] mmmh, I wonder if you can get it to work in a pass-through like fashion, like a bridge I mean, but I see no way to get apache to act like that [08:09] <_sho_> spike, that sounds like you are way drunk like. :) [08:09] <_sho_> why not run inline snort instead [08:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [08:10] because of load issues, I cant inspect all the traffic and I only need to filter http requests, not running any other services there [08:11] gnubien (n=e@67.8.146.155) left irc: "leaving" [08:11] and snort TCO > modsecurity TCO [08:11] intrr (n=intrr@time.instinctive.de) left #linuxhelp. [08:11] so snort inline would be a waste of resources and work-hours to setup something that otherway would be very simple with mod-security [08:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [08:15] damn, acct is so unreliable :/ [08:18] <_sho_> spike, i guess it depends on what you are trying to do [08:19] <_sho_> i use both inline snort and modsecurity for different reasons [08:19] usn_work (n=usn@p54932F6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Working on heaven's door" [08:19] <_sho_> but do use both for http traffic [08:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [08:20] _sho_: I just need to filter out URLs as crappy php CMSes are gonna be hosted there... nothing more [08:21] ltd (n=ltd@35.red-213-37-172.user.auna.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:24] someone know something about xfat file system about xbox video game?? 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[08:54] the largefile and largefile4 options when makeing an ext3 filesystem seem to allocate 1MB per inode, or 4MB per inode. Does this mean that creating a 10K file uses 1 inode and the rest of the 3.9MB is wasted? [08:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [08:57] hobophobe (i=lususnat@adsl-159-162-131.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [08:57] fluxdude : that would be my guess [08:58] yeah I guess it's the same as with block sizes [08:59] why bother having block sizes then? since the samllest inode is 4K, why bother having any blocksize smaller than 4K? [09:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:00] Writing user file... [09:00] Writing channel file... [09:00] dunno, i don't use ext3 :) [09:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [09:01] me neither :P [09:01] ananke: don't tell me you're a reisian? [09:01] According to Flash 7 FAQ to get fonts I need to symlink /usr/X11R6/lib/fs/config points to /etc/X11/fs/config; there is no /etc/X11/fs nor ./config.. ? (using debian with xorg) [09:01] madness, ext3 is more solid than reiser... [09:01] Nate_Grey (n=byte@69.88.249.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:01] for you perhaps [09:02] if reiser was as solid and also faster then I'd use reiser instead, but I'm not convinced, ext3 is basically old ext2, tried and true. [09:02] nobody's forcing you to use anything else [09:03] ext2 is "tried and true", ext3 is not.. imo.. [09:03] personally, I've never had a reiserfs drive crash [09:03] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@cpe-24-210-253-66.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:03] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@cpe-24-210-253-66.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:03] not because of the fs at least :P [09:04] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@cpe-24-210-253-66.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [09:04] Zider: ext3 is ext2 dude, the journal is superficial and you can afford to lose it, ext3 also journals more than reiser does... [09:04] sorin_ (n=sorin@osc.kappa.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [09:04] reiser can theoretically end up with garbage at the end of files after a crash, corrupting the files. [09:04] if ext3 was ext2, it wouldn't be called ext3.. dude.. [09:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:05] the only difference, written by Tweedie himself is the journal and you can delete and read that safely while the filesystem is mounted! [09:06] well I know that debian uses defoma now, is there an equivalent config file for it that I should point to, for example? [09:06] it's only very marginally different,the actual way the filesystem works is the same [09:07] so use it then. [09:07] the metadata for the filesystem is the same and the way is stores data is the same, there isn't even any metadata extension [09:07] but don't tell us what to use [09:07] ok [09:08] i like the idea of reiser, I just can't risk using it at work, that's all... [09:08] i've been using reiserfsv3 for years now, in production. no problems here [09:09] Is it possible to set up RAID over multiple filesystems? [09:09] the only time a reiserfs drive crashed for me was due to hardware error :P [09:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:10] My problem is rather trivial... I just need to point where this plugin thinks the list of fonts are to a place where it can find a list that is what it's looking for... I guess even if that means creating a list by hand to the specifications of 'fs' or whatever the fontserver it expects I have which I don't. [09:13] hobophobe: no you can't the filesystem goes on top of the array... [09:14] hmm, so theoretically you could have two arrays (that aren't interacting) with the same data but different filesystems? [09:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:17] shevegen (n=adh4@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at) left #linuxhelp ("Verlassend!!!"). [09:18] is there any kind of mode or attribute that I can set a file to which will write protect it, but when other programs try to write to it they think they succeded when they really didn't, e.g. to prevent a script from using cp to overwrite an old file with a new one but without having the script have any errors [09:19] biohazrd (n=biohazrd@c-67-169-253-207.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:20] hobophobe: of course, they're completely separate in that case [09:21] Action: hobophobe tries to make a conceptual leap and falls in the pit [09:21] aboman (i=iaboman@unaffiliated/aboman) joined #linuxhelp. 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[09:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:35] uniplex (n=uniplex@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) left irc: "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" [09:36] TipTap (n=jon@noc.mistral.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:37] anyone know how I can know if my mainboard or cpu is broken? [09:38] well, memtest and/or cpuburn can stress test mem and cpu at least, to see if they seem to have been broken.. [09:39] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-128-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] oh.. I forgot to say.. that my pc wont boot [09:39] all I see is a green "standby power led" [09:39] on the mainboard [09:39] when I push the power button.. nothing happens. [09:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:40] sphenxes (n=sphenxes@u-127-236.adsl.univie.ac.at) joined #linuxhelp. [09:40] i've checked that the power button itself actually works. [09:40] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@cpe-24-210-253-66.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [09:40] and i've heard ram errors usually makes the box beep at bootup [09:41] hum [09:41] onboard video? [09:42] what do you mean with onboard video? [09:42] does your mainboard has video chip or do you have AGP/PCI video? [09:42] quazyp (n=redline@63.161.128.167) joined #linuxhelp. [09:42] I dont got a onboard grafics card [09:42] have you tried another card then? [09:43] I use a pci video card [09:43] I tried to plug it out [09:43] but the power supply wont even start. [09:43] I mean the fans. [09:43] I guess its an ATX psu? [09:44] hmm.. dunno exactly what kinda psu.. but its 12x2 pins [09:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:45] larger than normal ones [09:45] hi everyone, does nerolinux work in fedora core 5? I read http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX_System_Requirements.html that it supports up to core 4. any ideas? [09:45] Asus A8N-SLI Premium, nForce4 SLI,Socket -939, Super Cooling pipe, PCI-Ex16 [09:45] Zider, thats my mainboard. [09:45] sander: yeah, ATX then.. [09:45] Zider, I even got a connector for extra power to the mainboard.. [09:46] I heard it wont boot unless you connect it. [09:46] but I got it connected..:) [09:46] what cpu do you have? [09:47] you can always test if the psu is at all working, but it can be a bit risky.. [09:47] and you can check your mainboard for "expanded" capacitors, that's a sign of a broken mainboard :P [09:48] sander: when did this happen? [09:48] caplink811-log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-121-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [09:49] AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz Socket 939, 512KB [09:49] I think it needs the extra 12V power to start then yeah [09:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:50] what is "expanded" capacitors? [09:50] you know what a capacitor is? [09:50] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-115-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Connection timed out [09:51] I dont know what the word means. [09:51] Sonderblade (n=muh@host-213.131.147.169.addr.tdcsong.se) left irc: "Lämnar" [09:51] the cylinder shaped things [09:52] hey [09:52] you mean something that is on the mainboard? [09:52] sander: yes [09:52] if i installed something into /home/dao/local how do i get it so that i can use tab completion to run something [09:52] aka /home/dao/local/bin/Thunar [09:52] i only wanna have to type Thunar [09:52] like.. I see round cylinder shaped things... aint those storing power for a short time? [09:53] dao_: add /home/darn/local/bin to the $PATH variable [09:53] hm [09:53] /home/dao/ [09:53] in the program? [09:53] in /etc/profile [09:53] sander: yes they do [09:53] sander: kind of small fast batteries [09:53] Zider, yeap.. then I understand. [09:54] sander: and the top should be completely flat, and not bulged or "expanded" [09:54] Zider, ah.. cool.:) [09:54] export PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/home/dao/local" [09:54] like that? [09:54] dao_: yeps [09:54] and how do i get it to refresh [09:54] so that its in use.... [09:54] dao_: and to use it directly without having to reboot/relogin do "source /etc/profile" [09:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [09:55] k [09:55] not workin [09:55] hmm [09:55] sander: bulged capacitors usually means the card is either dying or dead. :P [09:55] ill figure it out [09:55] fock [09:55] Zider, its a 1 year old card.. maybe.. [09:56] sander: how did it break? [09:56] and the capacitors seems all fine. [09:56] mkay [09:56] it did break when I moved it from one location to another [09:56] export PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/opt/bin:/home/dao/:/home/dao/local:/home/dao/local/bin" [09:56] that right? [09:56] the program is in /home/dao/local/bin [09:56] it was pretty hot at the place I had it at [09:56] dao_: yeah [09:57] not workin.. fock [09:57] now I moved it to another location.. with alot better temp [09:57] sander: hum.. and you've double checked that the power button is connected right I assume? [09:57] i gotta reboot anyways tho [09:57] cyrus__ (n=cyrus@c-24-20-144-191.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final by panasync" [09:57] dao_: is the file made executable? [09:57] Zider, yes.. I've even mesured that the power button is working when I push on it.. with a wolt meter. [09:57] i can run it when i type /home/dao/local/bin/Thunar [09:58] i've also mesured the output of the psu pins for powering the mainboard [09:58] sander: ah [09:58] sander: and I guess you checked that the PSU starts by its own? [09:58] the "PSON#" pin have 3 wolts [09:58] Zider, no [09:58] how can I? [09:59] ill be back [09:59] and the "+5v standby" pin have 5volts [09:59] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12.210.122.86) joined #linuxhelp. [10:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:00] Writing user file... [10:00] Writing channel file... [10:00] tiguere (n=tiguere@tor/session/external/x-a5971343b9319fce) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:00] sander: I'm not 100% sure now, but I know you can connect pin 14 (/PS_ON) to another pin to simulate a power button press [10:00] tiguere (n=tiguere@tor/session/external/x-01869da62dbbe907) joined #linuxhelp. [10:00] sander: I guess the other one would be ground, but not sure.. [10:00] dao_ (n=dao@85-99-178-69.gci.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:00] you connect to ground [10:00] GND [10:00] cool. [10:00] quazyp (n=redline@63.161.128.167) left irc: "Leaving" [10:00] mako-sam1: ah [10:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [10:01] then i'll go power it up:) [10:01] thx so far.. brb. [10:01] just be careful so you don't fry the PSU [10:01] :) [10:01] mako-sam1 (i=1000@82.194.41.171) left irc: Client Quit [10:01] mako-sama (i=1000@82.194.41.171) joined #linuxhelp. [10:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:05] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-128-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:06] Nick change: caplink811-log -> caplink811_log [10:06] I just managed to start the psu :-) [10:06] wee [10:08] I think i've had this problem another time too [10:09] what did you do then? :) [10:09] and both times it happend.. the power was killed.. so the box stopped [10:09] well.. then I tried to find the problem.. just like now.. and after a while.. everything just worked. [10:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:10] hum.. sounds like poor contact somewhere.. [10:10] well.. usually.. it works greate to start the server [10:11] only 2 times it happend.. it happend after power failure in the house. [10:11] or when someone just pulled out the cable.. (I guess).. [10:12] Nick change: amrit|zzz -> amrit|wrk [10:12] UPS is a "Good Thing"(tm) [10:12] yeps [10:12] except "kernel ups" ;) [10:12] this is true [10:13] Failover is a "Good Thing"(tm) ;) [10:13] what is fai and why would anyone love it? [10:13] ;) [10:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:23] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [10:23] I think this new place got ups [10:23] but atleast not the last one. [10:24] it dosnt looks like the cpu is fried.. [10:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:25] is it possible to find that out someway? [10:25] without having another mainboard which fits. [10:26] if you can't boot you can't test it safely. :P [10:27] exactly.. so maybe I should return cpu+mainboard? [10:27] if you still have warranty, why not [10:27] i'm not sure.. but I hope so [10:28] but I think the rules is.. that I only can return the parts which is defect. [10:28] well, if they get non-defect parts, they would just return them.. right? [10:29] I would probably try the mainboard in another case.. and ram on another board.. that's about what you can easily test and still be reasonably safe.. :P [10:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [10:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:30] v`laptop (n=soulfoo@adsl-072-148-066-083.sip.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection timed out [10:32] Iam8up|lpy|dsc (n=iam8up@rrcs-24-106-115-222.central.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:33] smithzv (n=smithzv@duan145-101-dhcp.colorado.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [10:33] building under darwin BSD is a pain in the butt.. [10:34] Zider, problem is that I dont got any socket 939 mainboards/cpu's [10:34] L|NUX (n=linux@202.5.145.58) left irc: Connection timed out [10:34] sander: I didn't say you should swithc the cpu [10:34] you think it could work to try it in another case? [10:34] hmm.. okay. i'll try:-) [10:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:35] I dunno, that would probably eliminate bad cablings from PSU/power switch [10:35] a bit drastic maybe, but.. :D [10:36] Wampyre (n=vaako@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za) joined #linuxhelp. [10:36] Hi [10:36] hello [10:37] How are you this fine evening? [10:38] I'm ok [10:38] kreg_dcdi (n=kreg@officefw.dcdi.net) joined #linuxhelp. [10:39] Great stuff. [10:39] I'm looking for a way to do something really weird, wanna know if its possible. [10:39] aren't we all [10:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:40] If I make an iso file of a cd, is there a way to boot off that cd using NFS? IE, the iso is on an exported filesystem, and I have a floppy disk that will then start the pc, and boot off the ISO? [10:40] Wampyre: what, make your linux pc morph into a fembot? [10:40] Nate_Grey (n=byte@69.88.249.164) joined #linuxhelp. [10:43] smithzv (n=smithzv@duan145-101-dhcp.colorado.edu) left #linuxhelp. [10:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:45] lol [10:47] Wampyre : no. [10:47] Is that the easy answer, or the final answer? [10:48] Wampyre, if it was doeable.. it would be rather intense.. :P [10:48] and a lot of IFs... and "perhaps" and... so on.. [10:48] uniplex (n=uniplex@pdpc/supporter/silver/uniplex) joined #linuxhelp. [10:49] for a start - the machine to isntall to would need to be able to network boot.. using the tftpd.. [10:49] then you would have to extract the iso (or mount it on loopback) and have tftpd set to let the network card booting box access it. [10:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:51] MetaCosm (n=rmelton@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/MetaCosm) joined #linuxhelp. [10:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [10:55] not to mention that the kernel/initrd would have to be able to use nfs for the rest of it [10:55] seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-128-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:57] and and... proberly lots of other things.. :P [10:57] dumbhack (n=drewbrad@dsl081-139-167.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:58] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12.210.122.86) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [10:58] Zider, i've already tested power switch cable with my volt meter. [10:59] sander: but if it's just bad contact it might work when you test it but not when it's connected [11:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [11:00] Writing user file... [11:00] Writing channel file... [11:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [11:01] capgadget (n=elifino@adsl-69-149-46-148.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:02] i know he's gone but it's actually quite doable.... making an iso of a nfs mounted file system... and using a floppy to boot from it.... but it's kinda tricky... [11:04] Wampyre: look at using bootcdwrite and make sure ya got all ya need for the initrd.... [11:04] Action: awol shrugs [11:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/27 e/- I/-] [11:08] bootcdwrite? [11:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/27 e/- I/-] [11:10] it's an app.... in debian tree [11:10] i dunno what it's homepage is... or for other distro's.... try freshmeat [11:10] very handy tool tho [11:11] i create all kinds of bootable cd's with it..... created a live wifi instant AP distro with it [11:12] boot with CD and if yer wifi card supports hostmode ya got an instant AP with nat's firewall [11:12] erm nat'd [11:12] anyway.. [11:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/27 e/- I/-] [11:15] kewl [11:16] And flash disks? [11:17] flash disks? [11:17] well not all mobo's support booting from a usb drive... [11:18] but i've used CF cards.... [11:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/27 e/- I/-] [11:24] shevegen (n=adh4@chello080108103172.36.11.univie.teleweb.at) joined #linuxhelp. [11:24] when i have about 2 gig of compressed (binaries) .tar.bz2 files, can i further compress them a bit? even if its only 2 or 3 % only, and if it takes many hours [11:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [11:25] man bzip2 [11:25] Iam8up|lpy (n=iam8up@cpe-24-210-253-66.woh.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [11:26] Anybody know of a mail server app that can act like sucky ms exchange?? [11:27] <_sho_> suse has open exchange [11:27] But suse is not free [11:27] awol consider that .bz2 has finished its job to 100%, no more .bz2 possible [11:28] luckily open exchange is foss and doesn't depend on suse [11:28] yay [11:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [11:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [11:30] AlphaWolf (i=WarChief@ip70-176-164-107.ph.ph.cox.net) left #linuxhelp. [11:31] Blissex (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #linuxhelp. [11:31] gdb_ (n=cbell@circe.inetdb.com) joined #linuxhelp. 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[12:08] caplink811_log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-121-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:08] inv_arp[work]: what? [12:08] *blink* [12:08] hns (n=hans@f205072.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #linuxhelp. [12:08] inv_arp[work]: where is the file? [12:09] ssh remotenode "command is in a local file" [12:09] not on remote [12:09] try scp-ing the file ? [12:09] inv_arp[work]: 'ssh $(cat localfile)'? [12:09] command is in a file on current node [12:09] Action: kittenbot waves at Blissex [12:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [12:10] inv_arp[work]: also, is the command's name or executable local? [12:10] Action: Blissex goes hi! [12:11] CHodapp (n=hodapp@dynamic-151-025.dorm.natpool.uc.edu) left irc: Success [12:12] Blissex: its a set of commands in a file... i know i can scp than run... but was wondering if I can skip that steo [12:12] step* [12:12] inv_arp[work]: of course you cannot avoid that step. SSH is a remote execution, not remote file access, protocol. [12:12] must it be called from a linux pc, or windows (ugh) pc? [12:13] hmm [12:13] v`laptop (n=soulfoo@adsl-072-148-066-083.sip.mco.bellsouth.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:14] try: cat thefile | ssh remotenode /bin/bash [12:14] yea... that did it [12:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [12:15] cat file | ssh node [12:15] ran it remotely and returned output locally [12:16] Nick change: gdb_ -> gdb [12:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [12:25] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [12:25] metanick (n=Unknown@training-nat-pool-bos.redhat.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [12:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [12:33] tiguere_ (n=tiguere@tor/session/external/x-abfab0d3d1e8dcaf) joined #linuxhelp. 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[12:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [12:51] I can get an IP camera on my LAN to connect and upload JPGs, but can't with a camera at another location. [12:51] vsftp running on FC4 [12:53] rgould (n=rgould@mail.refractions.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:53] rgould (n=rgould@mail.refractions.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [12:56] if a user account is disabled, how do I enable it? [12:56] foob (i=foob@ca-dstreet-cuda3-c6a-204.snbrca.adelphia.net) joined #linuxhelp. [12:56] Wampyre: how is it disabled? [12:57] whats the ls command to list all files and subdir files all on one line with their file size (in kb or mb preferably) without showing the permission/owner/group? [12:57] The distro of linux I got today has the root account disabled (ubuntu) I want to enable it. [12:57] er not all on one line, i meant all each on their own line [12:57] Wampyre: sudo passwd [12:58] yay! ty inv_Arp :) [12:58] 'ls -xRsk' is the closest ive gotten [12:58] ls -s [12:58] And how would I disable it again? [12:59] ls -sR even [12:59] maybe a du command would be better [13:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:00] Writing user file... [13:00] Writing channel file... [13:00] ls -sR1 shopws them on one line for every file [13:00] ah there we go, thanks [13:00] hectic [13:00] yeah im gonna need to write a python script to get this exactly how i want [13:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [13:01] should be easy tho [13:01] why python? [13:01] Action: Wampyre dances around singing "LINUX ROCKS, LINUX ROCKS" [13:01] cuz i hate perl and dont know how to do it in anythin else [13:01] and how exactly do you want it? :P [13:01] file size after the filename, and in megabyte/gigabyte format and [13:01] without showing me a full list of files before it shows the subdir lists [13:02] cleavland rocks [13:02] find /path | xargs du -h [13:02] although that will reverse the order of what you want [13:02] or find /path -type f -exec du -h {} \; [13:03] :P [13:03] find has a -printf option [13:03] =o [13:03] argh [13:04] thanks [13:04] or something even more hacked up: find . | xargs du -h | awk '{print $2, $1}' [13:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:05] this will reverse the order of du output [13:05] perfect [13:05] MalMen (i=Elite@bl8-122-33.dsl.telepac.pt) joined #linuxhelp. [13:05] goods [13:05] why pipe to xargs? [13:05] find /path -exec du -h '{}' \; | awk '{print $2, $1}' [13:05] there. happy? :) [13:05] cept i still have to write it in python because i need it to work on windows too i forgot doh [13:05] what i can use to manage nameservers? [13:06] well i guess i could cygwin [13:06] MalMen : vi. emacs. joe. jed. jove. pico. nano. [13:06] thats be a "notepads" [13:07] how could you leave out vim :*( [13:07] nano is the best :P [13:07] foob : vi/elvis/vim :) [13:07] how could you include vi :P [13:07] MalMen : anyway. those can be used to manage nameservers [13:07] cat [13:07] but how to ? [13:07] MalMen : how to what? [13:08] configure nameservers? [13:08] :S [13:08] MalMen : you pick up documentation on your nameserver, and read [13:08] i dont know [13:08] yes [13:08] i dont know what is my nameserver [13:08] MalMen : then how should we know that? [13:08] no [13:09] but can help me to know [13:09] i mean [13:09] lol [13:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/123 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/123 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:10] Nosf3ratu (n=epoch@adsl-70-228-135-77.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:13] der0b (i=s0d_0ff@c-24-218-106-50.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:13] AzianFlu (n=Yamabush@ip68-102-129-253.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:13] gdb (n=cbell@circe.inetdb.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:13] der0b (i=s0d_0ff@c-24-218-106-50.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:13] I could use a little help with an FTP problem [13:13] gdb (n=cbell@circe.inetdb.com) joined #linuxhelp. [13:14] AzianFlu (n=Yamabush@ip68-102-129-253.ks.ok.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:15] "Don't ask to ask, just ask. Be precise and descriptive." [13:16] I asked the whole question earlier Nos, before u joined I think [13:16] I can get an IP camera on my LAN to connect and upload JPGs, but can't with a camera at another location. [13:16] Because you have a router/firewall protecting you from the outside. [13:16] Or, your ISP does. [13:17] Do a portscan on your external IP address from outside of your network, and you'll see it. [13:18] rxgod: actually, that's not a question, that's just a statement. :P [13:18] DSL with a primary router (192.168.1.0) attached to secondary router (89.0.0.0) to FTP server [13:19] Primary router forwards ports 20-21 to secondary router which forwards 20-21 to server [13:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:20] why two routers? [13:21] That's what I was going to ask... [13:21] I'd still do a portscan and see where you're being blocked. [13:21] Just because *you* are forwarding 20-21, doesn't mean your ISP is. [13:21] Why would one take the name of the ugly outcasts of the vampyre world? [13:22] I setup this LAN for a friend of mine at her drugstore [13:22] Her franchise made her put in the primary router for *cough* security reasons [13:22] Nos: I can connect to the ftp server from here using any FTP client [13:24] Wampyre, because I'm Romanian. :p [13:24] er, part. [13:24] anyway.. [13:24] I can login and xfer files [13:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/124 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/124 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:25] So that part is OK, right? [13:25] Yes. [13:25] But you're logging in from the LAN. [13:25] E.g. behind any OTHER firewalls AT the ISP. [13:25] Blissex (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:25] No, I'm at work [13:26] That's the part that has me stumped [13:26] I did prefer Tremer.. [13:26] ...and I'm on a different ISP than she is [13:27] *Tremere even. [13:27] rxgod: is the camera set to active or passive ftp? 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[13:32] Nick change: beezee -> boosi [13:32] dark_x_y: well check that then :) [13:32] i would but how? :) [13:32] Action: Wampyre gonna go find someone with too much blood in their veins.... [13:33] dark_x_y: 'groups' [13:33] hey guys, what command to use to send a message via the terminal to a specific user/+ [13:33] Wampyre (n=vaako@mtngprs4.mtn.co.za) left irc: "And from the darkness emerged...." [13:33] boosi: write [13:34] i am in just one group and that isn't wheel ,but i had this linux installed i also was in just one group and i could su [13:34] Nos: Another wierd thing is that I have the same camera here, and if I point it at her FTP server, it works fine. [13:34] dark_x_y: well, add yourself to the group wheel and see if it works then.. I need that at least [13:34] aedigital (n=aedigita@200-168-147-186.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [13:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:35] rxgod, sounds like a job for ethereal. [13:37] jlb|away (i=[U2FsdGV@host-206-107-148-6.acelerate.net) joined #linuxhelp. [13:39] Iam8up|lpy|dsc (n=iam8up@cpe-24-210-253-66.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [13:39] I'm absolutely vexxed [13:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:43] my home partition is full so i removed a dvdrip (~4GB) but df still says 100% used [13:43] du /home/ shows the correct size though [13:44] any suggestions? [13:44] snobbslakt : is anything using that file you just removed? [13:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:45] nope [13:45] are you sure? [13:45] pretty sure yes. it was a iso and not mounted [13:48] dark_x_y (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:50] dark_x_y (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) joined #linuxhelp. [13:50] Zider: i have added myself to the wheel group ,now when i try to "su" it gives me the following output :"su: incorrect password" [13:51] dark_x_y: so use the right passwd ;) [13:52] Zider: the problem is that i type su and right after i hit enter it gives that output [13:52] i can't fill a pass [13:52] uhm [13:52] weird [13:52] try /bin/su? :P [13:53] i have the permissions to so [13:53] su* [13:53] does 'su $USER' work ? [13:53] the smae output su: incorrect password [13:54] did you type in the password for the current user ? [13:54] just checking out whether su works at all... [13:54] thats since i have added myself to the wheel group ,before that it would let me fill the password but it was saying it is inccorect [13:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [13:55] Can anyone comment on directadmin? [13:55] i gues is something of security related [13:55] Action: kittenbot actually meant $USER, btw -- not replace this variable with "root" [13:56] dark_x_y (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:58] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [13:58] Tcl error in script for 'timer1502943': [13:58] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [13:58] dark_x_y (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) joined #linuxhelp. [13:59] have i done anything wrong ? adduser snow , passwd snow, i set password to something as all my logins and then do login, type snow, and then password and does not log in [14:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/122 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/122 b/27 e/- I/-] [14:00] Writing user file... [14:00] Writing channel file... [14:00] boosi: does snow has a home dir? [14:00] dark_x_y (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [14:01] kittenbot (n=ribbon@cpc1-bolt6-0-0-cust18.manc.cable.ntl.com) left #linuxhelp ("Meow :)"). [14:02] I've officially gone 'round the bend with this one [14:02] I can't figger it out [14:03] Zider: yes it does, /home/snow [14:03] boosi: and it's owned by "snow" I assume [14:04] yes [14:04] jshriver (n=jshriver@cblmdm72-240-201-125.buckeyecom.net) joined #linuxhelp. [14:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [14:05] greetings [14:05] is there a command to copy the first x lines from a text file to another? [14:05] tried cat -b but doesnt seem to work [14:05] dark_x_y (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) joined #linuxhelp. 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[14:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [14:55] wow thats was fast [14:57] jlb|away_ (i=[U2FsdGV@host-206-107-148-1.acelerate.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [15:00] Writing user file... [15:00] Writing channel file... [15:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [15:01] Poeir (n=poeir@64.198.239.110) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:02] Poeir (n=poeir@64.198.239.110) joined #linuxhelp. [15:02] Snurf (n=sean0890@c-66-41-22-238.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [15:03] how do i use the wget --recursive function to get .swf files [15:03] they are on a directory with no index so it says 'Index of /' [15:03] nvm figured it out [15:03] Snurf (n=sean0890@c-66-41-22-238.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [15:06] jlb|away (i=[U2FsdGV@host-206-107-148-6.acelerate.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [15:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). 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[15:53] hi everyone, i just decompressed a .war file, now how do i get it back to a war? its not working right exactly...? [15:53] Yawgmoth7 (n=darthyaw@unaffiliated/yawgmoth7) joined #linuxhelp. [15:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/27 e/- I/-] [15:56] MetaCosm (n=rmelton@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/MetaCosm) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/27 e/- I/-] [16:00] Writing user file... [16:00] Writing channel file... [16:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [16:02] FranciscoRodrigu (n=chico@200.175.79.237.static.gvt.net.br) joined #linuxhelp. [16:03] lazellama (n=lazellam@c-68-43-77-207.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/116 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/116 b/27 e/- I/-] [16:06] FranciscoRodrigu (n=chico@200.175.79.237.static.gvt.net.br) left #linuxhelp. [16:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/115 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/115 b/27 e/- I/-] [16:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s). 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[16:55] tatters (n=chatzill@cpc3-derb5-0-0-cust578.leic.cable.ntl.com) joined #linuxhelp. [16:57] boosi: ctrl-alt=F2 login as root, pgrep app name; killall -9 pid from pgrep; edit .bash_profile [17:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:00] Writing user file... [17:00] Writing channel file... [17:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [17:01] gnubein: i cant login as root, because 1 exec app.sh has been placed in .bash_profile [17:03] i've also tried su -c mv .bash_profile bash_profile [17:03] still does not work [17:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:05] boosi: sure your distro does not use .bashrc for console logins? [17:05] Chicago (n=Chicago@c-67-186-94-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:06] nimaj (i=qim@cpe-24-161-90-126.hvc.res.rr.com) joined #linuxhelp. [17:06] yes im sure [17:06] no files listed [17:06] for .bashrc [17:06] Kidpunkx (n=kidpunk@adsl-070-157-200-095.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] boosi (n=beezee@c211-30-155-131.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [17:07] if you kill the console/terminal that you log'd in as su that will kill the app most likely [17:08] Nosf3rat1 (n=epoch@adsl-70-228-77-241.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:11] Nosf3ratu (n=epoch@adsl-70-228-135-77.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:20] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [17:20] dark_x_y (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) joined #linuxhelp. [17:21] Nosf3ratu (n=epoch@adsl-70-228-141-255.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:21] Nosf3rat1 (n=epoch@adsl-70-228-77-241.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:21] any sql gurus around? [17:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:26] gentoothreefour (n=Unknown@ppp-71-136-69-238.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:28] gentoothreefour (n=Unknown@ppp-71-136-69-238.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [17:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:34] if you ask the actual question maybe you could get the help you want [17:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:46] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [17:46] linux_noob (n=icechat5@adsl-70-240-6-63.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:48] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-100-206.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #linuxhelp. [17:48] boosi (n=beezee@c211-30-155-131.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [17:49] hey guys, real stupid question, i was using gentoo before and would do for e.g emerge limewire and it would install the app with dependencies, for rpm, how does that work? [17:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:50] boosi: it generally doesn't [17:50] ymmv [17:50] why in heavens name did you switch from gentoo to an rpm distro?! [17:51] lol [17:52] Zider: just wanted to test a different distro [17:52] rpm = dependency nightmare [17:52] tyler (i=1001@cm189.omega18.maxonline.com.sg) joined #linuxhelp. [17:53] boosi: at least you could've chosen a debian derivate :P [17:53] Zider: heh, yeah. [17:54] gentoothreefour (n=Unknown@ppp-71-136-69-238.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] boosi: it depends on the distro you have [17:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [17:55] yum will do what you want. probably :) [17:56] probably? [17:57] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-099-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:57] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [18:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:00] Writing user file... [18:00] Writing channel file... [18:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [18:01] idaho45 (n=john@200.84.241.198) left irc: Connection timed out [18:02] idaho45 (n=john@200.84.241.198) joined #linuxhelp. [18:03] boosi: yes.. I don't use RPM based distros and I've never used yum before. so I don't know [18:04] Hcard (i=Hcard@lizard.dual-oc256.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] from what i read and remember, yum can locate packages and install them with thier dependencies [18:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:05] k [18:05] brb [18:05] boosi (n=beezee@c211-30-155-131.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [18:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:15] Hcard (i=Hcard@lizard.dual-oc256.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:30] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [18:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [18:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:34] nomin (n=nomin@adsl-68-76-98-189.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net) joined #linuxhelp. [18:34] I have a pc that keeps freezing. this happens in both linux and windows. Does anyone have a possible explanation as to what is causing it? [18:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:36] maybe the system is overheating? [18:38] I just changed the processor on it. It still freezes. The fan on the processor works. [18:38] did you rmember cooling paste? :P [18:38] what about the mother board and viudo card [18:38] BTW, it's a compaq presario 700MHz AMD that I garbage picked. [18:38] ups video card* [18:39] the video card wouldn't freeze the whole system, would it? [18:39] well it would from my experience [18:39] Piet (n=piet@c181133.adsl.hansenet.de) joined #linuxhelp. [18:39] you should eliminate the causes one by one [18:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:40] monitor the heat problems first [18:40] I don't know what button to press to get into the bios. It doesn't say at startup. [18:41] del or F2 [18:41] usualy [18:41] ok, F2 did it. [18:41] you should also be aware of the FSB settings [18:42] i mean, delete did it. [18:42] :) [18:43] watch out of not changing anything with out knowing what it does.. [18:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:46] I don't see anything that shows the temperature for the processor in the bios. It's a very simple bios. [18:48] isn't there a menu like hardware monitor or pc healt? [18:48] or aren't there infoprmation about the CPU [18:48] informations* [18:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:50] It shows what hardware it has. [18:51] it just doesn't give much info about the processor. It says it's a 1000/100. [18:51] I'm starting up debian on it (which I just installed). I'm going to see if there is a processor temperature monitor on it. [18:52] Chicago (n=Chicago@c-67-186-94-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:52] wewn't you saying it is a 700Mhz processor? [18:52] weren't* [18:53] yes, AMD. I think the 1000/100 means the proc is in the 100Mhz to 1Ghz range. [18:54] or 1000MHz cpu with 100MHz FSB [18:54] i hope it does nad it doesn't mean it is 1000mhz with 100 Fsb [18:54] ups Zider :) [18:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [18:56] do you know the mother board type? [18:56] maybe you should look for the manual and see what are settings [18:56] the settings* [18:56] damn i am getting very sleepy [18:56] same here [18:56] 3:56 [18:56] :P [18:56] mine 4:56 [18:57] another 4 hours until the job is over.. [18:58] I'll look online to find the manual for it. [18:58] night shift? [18:58] nomin: it would be a wise choice [18:58] Zider: yeah,not a pleasen't thing [19:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:00] Writing user file... [19:00] Writing channel file... [19:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [19:04] here's the product specifications for it: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&cc=us&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN&dlc=en&product=93914&docname=c00034298 [19:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:07] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:07] it says my video card has 8MB RAM. I recently told debian that is was 16MB. However, I haven't used this pc in months because it kept freezing on me in both windows and linux. Maybe I told the initial linux installation a year ago that the video card was 16MB also. [19:09] btw under the advanced tab at cpu speed it says 100Mhz? [19:09] keter (n=NOne@ool-45750e06.dyn.optonline.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:09] lol 1000Mhz [19:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:10] I could reboot to see exactly what it says. It said 1000/100. I'll reboot it to see. [19:10] just that nothing more? [19:10] just 1000/100? [19:11] ok [19:12] Under "System Information", at "Processor Speed" is says "1000/100 MHz" [19:12] *it says [19:12] aha that means that the procesor is running at the speed of 1000Mhz with 100mhz fsb from what i can tell [19:13] do you think it's frying my 700MHz proc? [19:13] if you have a good cooler maybe bot,but my cause instability problems [19:13] not* [19:14] remember, I just bought this processor. I was having the same freezing problem before, I thought a new proc would fix it. [19:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:15] hard to tell from here what is the real problem ..,maybe there are some jumper settings [19:16] under the Main tab at the memory information [19:16] what does it say? [19:17] tatters (n=chatzill@cpc3-derb5-0-0-cust578.leic.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040400]" [19:18] it doesn't say much about the memory either... [19:19] it only says the size, "System ROM date", and "System ROM family" [19:19] the "family" says 786K1. [19:19] man thats a strange bios.. [19:19] yeah, it's very simple, not much info. [19:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:20] Compaq [19:20] the memory isn't the problem because I tried different sticks in different slots and it still freezes after a while. [19:20] thats the problem if you don';t have the manual... [19:20] but i am not reffering at the memory but the bios settings [19:20] the memory could be fine but if there are bad settings.. [19:21] you should compare all the actual settings of processor and memory with the information it gives you in bios [19:22] alnr (n=alan@cpe-69-200-85-107.nyc.res.rr.com) left #linuxhelp. [19:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:26] oh great, the computer is frozen in the bios now. [19:27] nomin, reboot, enter bios, write down all settings, restore bios/vendor defaults, save, reboot and see if it works without freezing. [19:27] it usually reboots instantly as soon as I hit the power button, but when it's frozen like this it does nothing. The only thing I can do when it freezes is hold the power button down until it forces a shutdown. [19:28] Piet, I'll try that. [19:28] TheBonsai_ (i=bonsai@p549366AD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] if it does, then set back the values you noted down one by one and keep trying. if it dont work, some of your hardware is likely corrupt [19:28] ...or incompatible [19:30] bMotion: running level 4 self-diagnostic [19:30] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/117 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/117 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:30] Piet, the hardware is probably compatible because it will work perfectly for hours with no problems. It just seems to freeze completely at random in both windows and linux. [19:31] nomin: such as when allocating broken memory [19:31] TheBonsai_ (i=bonsai@p549368F2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:31] this can happen after hours [19:32] Piet, even though I have used 2 different memory sticks, one a time, and it still freezes? [19:32] *one at a time [19:32] yeah for example i had to identicaly memories but when i put them in dual , the system halts after about 50 minutes [19:32] Nick change: amrit|wrk -> amrit|afk [19:33] but the system will work just fine with the same memories but separated [19:34] so I might just have to put the memory sticks in the right slots and it may work with no problems? [19:34] There could be a problem with the Dimm slots on you motherboard [19:35] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:35] nomin, as for memory that may break, there's not just RAM. an sure, if the system vcant bear with two such ram sticks, it will break [19:35] the thing is i think you should go to a proffesional service [19:35] bsims (i=bsims@12.221.57.57) joined #linuxhelp. [19:36] How can I reset a adapti cdrom drive just like I powered down the computer via software certain DVDs cause drive seek errors and then I can't burn dual layer DVD's [19:37] I don't want to spend too much money paying someone to fix this older pc. That's the thing. [19:37] nomin: what's the problem? [19:38] shinobi2 (i=1000@usrns30.dialup.hawaii.edu) joined #linuxhelp. [19:38] how do i install nano with syntax high lighting? [19:39] bsims: if your drive is nt correctly reseton power off then you likely have either a firmware or hardware issue [19:39] bsims, I have a pc that keeps freezing. It's probably a hardware problem. I don't know what's causing it. [19:40] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:40] Piet: no it it reset on poweroff but I don't always want to shutdown [19:41] bsims: your dvd-rom? -rw? is shut down when you shut downn the computer but you want it to keep working? [19:41] nomin: what does sensors say... IE is it overheating, bad power supply; run the smartmontools could be a bad HD [19:42] bsims, I MB does not give the temperatures for the hardware AFAIK. It's a compaq presario. [19:42] yeah I hate to actually shutdown for a damn reset [19:43] really not even in the bios? wierd [19:43] lt's a very simple bios. [19:43] bsims: i think i got you now. you want a way to reset the drive while the OS is still running? [19:43] nomin: does this run linux? [19:43] Piet: yeah [19:43] bsims: wow, that one wasnt easy [19:43] bsims, yes, I have a dual boot. It freezes in both linux and windows. It even freezes with knoppix. [19:44] sorry, Piet I was unclear [19:44] I just bought a new processor for it (AMD 700MHz), thinking that was the problem. [19:44] bsims: did you try rpc1.org ? [19:45] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:45] not yet firing up firefox [19:45] It's a otherwise nice liteon [19:46] they have a nice set of tools there. unfortuunately much is dos/w32-bassed, but there a nice linux tools, too [19:48] Piet: nothing jumps out at me [19:49] It may be some flavor of copy protection [19:50] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:50] shinobi2 (i=1000@usrns30.dialup.hawaii.edu) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [19:52] bsims: could well be, try libdvdcss if you dont have it yet and this is not illegal where xou live [19:52] all ready installed and in use [19:52] for what it's worth I can play these DVD's just fine but if I go to rip it Boom drive seek errors [19:53] sounds a lot like copy protection, so rpc1.org is just the right place [19:54] yeah but I wouldn't think dvd:rip would care [19:55] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/119 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/119 b/27 e/- I/-] [19:55] well the firmware that shipped with the drive might care [19:55] true but there isn't anything new for this drive [19:55] but i'm just guessing [19:56] boosi (n=beezee@c211-30-155-131.rivrw4.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined #linuxhelp. [19:56] thanks anyway I'll keep digging [19:56] orbitron (n=Jose@ip72-194-134-248.hu.sd.cox.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:56] rpc1.org doesnt offer the original firmwares, you know.... [19:57] anybody actively blocking porn on their network? Any particular filters that people prefer? [19:57] indeed but I still saw nothing for this one [19:57] k, just making sure youre aware [19:57] hey guys, if i edit .bash_profile and put exec app.sh & i want app.sh to start up when i log in as root, but when i su - to root it keep creating process on the same app.sh [19:57] I am setting up a network (w/ linux firewall router) at a school and just looking for comments [19:57] how can i stop that? or do i have to code something for it? [19:57] gentoothreefour (n=Unknown@ppp-71-136-104-93.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined #linuxhelp. [19:58] orbitron: I went the other way... 30GB of known good (ie no nasties) on network share and nothing else allowed. It's a round robin from my own archives sorted by girl with metadata for hair, skin tone and level of depravity [19:59] gnubien (n=e@67.8.147.181) left irc: "leaving" [20:00] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [20:00] Writing user file... [20:00] Writing channel file... [20:00] bsims, lol, nice [20:00] orbitron: hell they are gonna do it, might as well not infect my network at the same time [20:01] bMotion: autosaving facts... [20:01] bsims, what was your range of depravity? [20:01] Dr_Willis (i=willis@12.210.122.86) joined #linuxhelp. [20:01] < orbitron> anybody actively blocking porn on their network? Any particular filters that people prefer? orbitron> I am setting up a network (w/ linux firewall router) at a school and just looking for comments < boosi> how can i stop that? or do i have to code something for it? < bsims> orbitron: I went the other way... 30GB of known good (ie no nasties) on network share and nothing else allowed. It's a round robin from my own archives sorted by girl with me [20:02] whoops [20:02] orbitron: well I described the acts one memorable set was big breasted blond teen with a midget dressed like a clown [20:03] he was using a rubber chicken as a sextoy [20:03] bsims: use a proxy like squid. [20:04] unix_infidel: I do but I figure hell they are gonna do it. why not have known virus/scumware free there as an alteritive [20:04] eald (n=eald@201.138.174.140) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:05] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [20:08] unix_infidel: of course your place of employment may be different than mine [20:08] small busnesses rule in that regard [20:09] besides, my crap is better organized and of higher quality than most on the web [20:10] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/121 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/121 b/27 e/- I/-] [20:10] syntrx (n=matty@220-245-215-156-act.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [20:11] Piet (n=piet@c181133.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: ":tiuQ" [20:12] darkx_ (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) joined #linuxhelp. [20:13] bMotion: All channels are idle, going away [20:13] Tcl error in script for 'timer1515091': [20:13] invalid channel-dname: #linuxsphere #nf-ircstaff [20:13] L|NUX (n=linux@202.5.145.57) joined #linuxhelp. [20:13] for backing up a directory what command shoult i use? cp and tar combination? [20:13] should* [20:14] darkx_ (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) left #linuxhelp ("Leaving"). [20:14] tar can do that - with some options [20:15] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [20:15] tar -cjvf foo.tar.bz2 foo/ from memory [20:18] eald (n=eald@201.138.174.140) joined #linuxhelp. [20:18] v`laptop (n=soulfoo@adsl-072-148-066-083.sip.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:20] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/120 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/120 b/27 e/- I/-] [20:20] By the by filelight is damned cool, hrm only about 14GB of jpgs currently on disk, and 38GB of mp*s [20:22] dark_x_y (n=darkx@82.78.78.155) left irc: "Leaving" [20:24] Grommet (n=grommet@12.223.138.29) left irc: "make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop." [20:25] #linuxhelp (+ctrn) : [m/118 o/0 h/0 v/0 n/118 b/27 e/- I/-] [20:29] filelight? [20:29] JRlinux (n=JRlinux@gw02.applegatebroadband.net) joined #linuxhelp. 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